its a bit schizo but i saw someone say wotc will probably ship this as an actual product in 3 months for good will and PR and it's just so stupid it might even be true
Most/all of em now. Overpowered slog in dropped-value products to feed corporate greed. Magic made it's name on being a well made product, now they're burning that good will and history for $$
@@jeffreylong1478 i my opinion? MKM, OTJ and assassin's creed sucked. bloomburrow isn't my cup of tea and i hate the ETB change but at least i can somewhat see a vision of intentionality with the set.
Naturalize 2 can also stop dayshift cycles. So, when your playgroup has that one player that plays one Celestus early in the game, then it gets destroyed, but you still technically have to track day and night for the rest of the game, you can be the hero and just end the annoyance for everyone.
Fun fact: Pick your Poison from the first Mystery Boosters became the Seasons Cycle from Bloomburrow with the ability to choose modes by "spending points" on them.
Lovely Shackle ! :D IMHO, it should have been a static keyworded ability: "For each Equip ability of this Equipment, you can target any creature while activating it. ( __You can also target creatures you don't control.__)" So Brigid turns Kitkin into ... Slivers but better XD Kinda like "Rukarumel" The Skyscraper 11:00 is hilarious! But should have had "level 2-7", otherwise yes, it's JUST a tapped tri-land
i definitely think you should crack packs, mainly because you have such a good eye for underrated cards and how they could be used it decks. It would be cool to see you talk about commons and uncommons in that way when you come across them!
ok the reason i agree with the emblem removal is that they really crossed the line with "Chandra, Awakened Inferno" they made a emblem a +2 ability and i hope they come to their sense and cave in and make a retail version of Mystery booster 2 (its possible since they claimed the same thing for mystery booster 1) and i got a feeling a few of mystery booster 2 playtest cards will be future sighted/foreshadowed just like the first time.
Yeah but, it’s 2 completely different cards? It started as a 5 drop “Season of” type card, and ended up as just a modal 1 drop removal spell. I wouldn’t even consider them related.
I have already built Fludge, Gunk Guardian. I proxied the commander and used one of those dual-sided 2 commander deck boxes to hold the deck (Ooze/Mutant/Fungus +1/+1 counter tribal deck) in one side & have sleeved up about 130 basic lands (backwards in the sleeves) to be used as the Gunk tokens to shuffle into my opponent's deck. I played it the other night and we all had a blast. Each time one of my creatures (real or token) etb'd, they had to shuffle 3 Gunk in their deck. If you didn't know, Gunk cards do nothing but have Cycling for 4. They are pretty much dead draws. I used cards like Gelatinous Genesis, Ooze Flux & Gutter Grime to make sure my opponents were drawing as much Gunk as possible. Then after the game it took like maybe 45 seconds for them to remove the cards from their deck & we were ready to play another game. Honestly, Gunk can't be made legal due to how much extra stuff you need but if you really want to play it... you can.
I agree that some of the mechanics of the recents sets are uninspired but (even with commander format in mind) they are standards sets. And I understand that make a card only valid in a specific set is way easy to test, but I hope we see some of these neat ideas in not standard products like commander precons, jumpstart or universe beyond.
Trust me, Wizards staff is keeping an ear to the ground on which of these cards and ideas people like. Confident we’ll be seeing some of these within 12 - 15 months. I agree Demo, lots of cool ideas here.
I used to disagree with wanting emblem removal but that was when ulting a planeswalker was hard to do and a big payoff. Now we have cards that gives emblems as a plus ability. We probably need emblem removal now.
I feel like Naturlize 2 should at least require some preexisting board to destroy any gameplay tracker or cost more. It would suck to protect a planeswalker get their big minus, probably killing the planeswalker, then have someone instant speed blow it up.
i'll agree particularly on one point Naturalize 2 is really cool and necessary. I think its really good to have a way to stop someone from going infinite with an enchantment or dungeon on one card.
I'm of the firm belief that if it exist in the game it should be able to be interacted with and/or removed. They could've simply added the following text to removal spells such as "destroy/exile target Emblem", "Dethrone target player" (a keyword mechanic which removes the Monarch tag from the game), "Target player exits the Dungeon/or loses the Initiative, etc.. The Citys blessing should be able to be interacted with by a specific keyword removing the emblem (Curse target player- [target player loses the City's Blessing] or by reducing the amount of permanents to under the threshold of 10 to activate the emblem thereby deactivating it.
The future sight frame looks like a convergence toward the style used by the game Duel Masters (also wizards). It was more futuristic, sleek, Y2K looking which looks tacky now. Also I think the worst thing about the FS frame is the mana cost is not on the top right anymore. If it wasn't moved there would've been less resistance to them new frame
Obviously the playtest cards aren't meant to be rules accurate, but as a nitpicker I can point out 2 mistakes that were likely unintended with some of the lands. Maestro's Totally Safe Hideout: The token copy has all the same text. This means it also has Land Casualty 2. This means you can get as many lands as you want given you have the bodies, and it goes infinite with Felidar Retreat Madlands: Doesn't work as intended. The reminder text seems to suggest normal land timing rules apply, and you cannot play lands during the resolution of the madness ability. It would just go to your graveyard because you can't play it.
Emblems, generally speaking, are difficult to get. And flavor-wise, they usually represent a planeswalker’s most powerful magic. I think it’s fine that they can’t be interacted with given those two points. Certainly not for the low price of 1G.
The main problem I have with emblems is that Planeswalkers entering play should not be able to get extra/double counters. The ultimate ability is very powerful but you should have to work to get there with the + abilities… when you can basically ETB the emblems, they tend to be broken.
There's so many cards now that make it possible to ult most walkers instantly. Vorinclex, that one blue creature that doubles counters, every proliferate can trip, the enchantment where you proliferate whenever you cast a spell, etc.@@kishibelunatik
I don't disagree with Naturalize 2 being printed. But saying we have to have a way to interact with dungeons seems off? Dungeons are really low powered and take time to go through.
Why don't we have these cards/mechanics? Because wizards has to put out a new set every month. Can't go dumping a bunch of good ideas in a set or two. Gotta sprinkle a little into a whole lot of products 😂
Flashforward seems dangerous to me. I'd hate to see something like underworld breech for the exile zone. Edit: A card that can destroy the monarchy? Someone call Spice!
In my opinion Emblems, Dungeons, Monarch, & City’s Blessing should all just be classified as permanents that way they don’t need to add a whole new “mechanic “ so to speak and just let cards that already exist take care of them
As for why it'll be hard to get these outside of conventions, I think I heard this from either Mark Rosewater or Gavin Verhey: The design and printing of these came out of the convention team's budget. They wanted to keep the first Mystery Booster convention-exclusive, but then The Thing happened and people didn't want to get Infect counters. This time it was paid for by the con team, so they get to say it's only for cons, mostly. They said internally if the con team hadn't paid for it, it wouldn't have happened at all.
That is insane to hear if true. Did Wotc really not reconsider how to handle Mystery Booster 2 and outright decided not to pay for a second edition when it was one of the most successful and critically acclaimed sets of all time? Are we really talking about the same Wotc, the one that's usually willing to milk every avenue of the game?
Idk, I mean if you're worried about dealing with a dungeon or emblem why not just run other removal that deals with the source instead? Removal that hits planeswalkers, coubterspells for enter the dungeon ETB's, etc. I get the appeal since people cry about not being able to interact with those things, but in a way they can by being preemptive about it, right?. It kind of feels bad to spend 4 turns getting an emblem off a walker or running a somewhat gimmicky dungeon deck that isn't comboing out just to have it removed since it's already really difficult to get a lot of that stuff online without abusing mechanics
Ah yes, obviously there should be a card that can kill the emblem that I spent 4 turns getting while defending my planeswalker… NO! get out of here with that. This does have cool cards though, I’m sad to see some great ideas for a New Capenna 2 that never saw the light of day. Seems like more evidence that Murders at Karlov should have been a NC set
Not sure how "emblems are really hard to get" is an argument against emblem removal. There are plenty of 8+ mana artifacts or enchantment who die to naturalize. "Ah yes, obviously there should be a card that can kill the Omniscience that I spent 10 turns getting while defending my own health… NO! get out of here with that."
@@DarksteelPenguinThere typically is no way to know someone has Omniscience until you play it, so your comparison makes no sense. Planeswalkers are out for everyone to see and know what the Ultimate you're building up to is, and makes you protect it from 3 other players until your turn when you can tick it up, and then you have to protect it all over again. You don't even have to kill the Planeswalker, just damage it more than it can tick up for, and you'll never see the emblem under normal circumstances. Not even counting all it takes is just one of many permanent removal spell to wipe it out right then and there.
I'm not part of the peoples that want that set. I don't like white border, mana cost on the side and test card I don't care. Sorry for those who like it.
so if you watch the video i talk about i'm not buying into the constant powercreep and strict upgrades. it has nothing to do with buying interesting reprints.
i find it incredible that among the sea of garbage products, THE ONE product everyone wants is the product that they won't ship to stores worldwide.
its a bit schizo but i saw someone say wotc will probably ship this as an actual product in 3 months for good will and PR and it's just so stupid it might even be true
Which product is garbage?
@@jeffreylong1478OTJ and Murders at Karlov were both unoriginal in theme and card design. (IN MY OPINION)
Most/all of em now. Overpowered slog in dropped-value products to feed corporate greed.
Magic made it's name on being a well made product, now they're burning that good will and history for $$
@@jeffreylong1478 i my opinion? MKM, OTJ and assassin's creed sucked.
bloomburrow isn't my cup of tea and i hate the ETB change but at least i can somewhat see a vision of intentionality with the set.
Naturalize 2 can also stop dayshift cycles. So, when your playgroup has that one player that plays one Celestus early in the game, then it gets destroyed, but you still technically have to track day and night for the rest of the game, you can be the hero and just end the annoyance for everyone.
Brigid: all Kithkin work like slivers now.
That's why thoughtweft is a hard pass in my opinion. No-one needs more of the sliver like phenomenon in the scene.
Let's make a product no one can buy and actively make less money.
Fun fact: Pick your Poison from the first Mystery Boosters became the Seasons Cycle from Bloomburrow with the ability to choose modes by "spending points" on them.
Lovely Shackle ! :D IMHO, it should have been a static keyworded ability: "For each Equip ability of this Equipment, you can target any creature while activating it. ( __You can also target creatures you don't control.__)"
So Brigid turns Kitkin into ... Slivers
but better XD
Kinda like "Rukarumel"
The Skyscraper 11:00 is hilarious! But should have had "level 2-7", otherwise yes, it's JUST a tapped tri-land
The two sides of a magic player:
There's too much product! vs.
I want this thing so bad why isn't it available everywhere!
WOTC: "So you're saying you want MORE products you CANNOT purchase? Say no more." *prints more limited Secret Lairs*
Two different issue that aren't related.
i definitely think you should crack packs, mainly because you have such a good eye for underrated cards and how they could be used it decks. It would be cool to see you talk about commons and uncommons in that way when you come across them!
Naturalize 2 should be at least 3 mana for the extra effect.
ok the reason i agree with the emblem removal is that they really crossed the line with "Chandra, Awakened Inferno" they made a emblem a +2 ability
and i hope they come to their sense and cave in and make a retail version of Mystery booster 2 (its possible since they claimed the same thing for mystery booster 1)
and i got a feeling a few of mystery booster 2 playtest cards will be future sighted/foreshadowed just like the first time.
Pick your piosion was a test card in the first mystery booster now it's a common in the manor set
Yeah but, it’s 2 completely different cards? It started as a 5 drop “Season of” type card, and ended up as just a modal 1 drop removal spell. I wouldn’t even consider them related.
no its the "Season" cycle (paw print counters) from bloomburrow is what that one future sighted
I have already built Fludge, Gunk Guardian. I proxied the commander and used one of those dual-sided 2 commander deck boxes to hold the deck (Ooze/Mutant/Fungus +1/+1 counter tribal deck) in one side & have sleeved up about 130 basic lands (backwards in the sleeves) to be used as the Gunk tokens to shuffle into my opponent's deck.
I played it the other night and we all had a blast. Each time one of my creatures (real or token) etb'd, they had to shuffle 3 Gunk in their deck. If you didn't know, Gunk cards do nothing but have Cycling for 4. They are pretty much dead draws.
I used cards like Gelatinous Genesis, Ooze Flux & Gutter Grime to make sure my opponents were drawing as much Gunk as possible. Then after the game it took like maybe 45 seconds for them to remove the cards from their deck & we were ready to play another game. Honestly, Gunk can't be made legal due to how much extra stuff you need but if you really want to play it... you can.
As much as I know how annoying the constant shuffling would be, I really wish to see more cards that deal with Gunk like Fludge or the Gunk Slug lol
I agree that some of the mechanics of the recents sets are uninspired but (even with commander format in mind) they are standards sets. And I understand that make a card only valid in a specific set is way easy to test, but I hope we see some of these neat ideas in not standard products like commander precons, jumpstart or universe beyond.
Boltfire is a nod to a real card Firebolt, which is exactly the same card but with Flashback
I'm not big on reprints but I really do like the way they brought the old planar chaos card style back 😎
I missed Fetching Garden on my stroll through that spoiler. I do appreciate that idea and the callout for it.
RE: The test cards. It shows they are internally fiddling with these ideas, so we may get cards like these eventually.
Trust me, Wizards staff is keeping an ear to the ground on which of these cards and ideas people like. Confident we’ll be seeing some of these within 12 - 15 months. I agree Demo, lots of cool ideas here.
Luckily, it seems like they printed enough supply as it still hasn't sold out after even 1 week
I used to disagree with wanting emblem removal but that was when ulting a planeswalker was hard to do and a big payoff. Now we have cards that gives emblems as a plus ability. We probably need emblem removal now.
Glad you're happy and excited about things! Of course there's always Rule 0 if you want to proxy some of these cards and your playgroup is ok with it.
I feel like Naturlize 2 should at least require some preexisting board to destroy any gameplay tracker or cost more. It would suck to protect a planeswalker get their big minus, probably killing the planeswalker, then have someone instant speed blow it up.
You'd think they just make it a frienely local game store exclusive after a couple of months. 😅
i'll agree particularly on one point Naturalize 2 is really cool and necessary. I think its really good to have a way to stop someone from going infinite with an enchantment or dungeon on one card.
I'm of the firm belief that if it exist in the game it should be able to be interacted with and/or removed. They could've simply added the following text to removal spells such as "destroy/exile target Emblem", "Dethrone target player" (a keyword mechanic which removes the Monarch tag from the game), "Target player exits the Dungeon/or loses the Initiative, etc.. The Citys blessing should be able to be interacted with by a specific keyword removing the emblem (Curse target player- [target player loses the City's Blessing] or by reducing the amount of permanents to under the threshold of 10 to activate the emblem thereby deactivating it.
Naturalize 2 is missing something important:
the ability to remove poison counters.
I have a feeling you won't have much trouble getting your hands on a few of these boxes if you really want 😏
Fetching garden should be the other way around and totally fine.
The future sight frame looks like a convergence toward the style used by the game Duel Masters (also wizards). It was more futuristic, sleek, Y2K looking which looks tacky now. Also I think the worst thing about the FS frame is the mana cost is not on the top right anymore. If it wasn't moved there would've been less resistance to them new frame
Obviously the playtest cards aren't meant to be rules accurate, but as a nitpicker I can point out 2 mistakes that were likely unintended with some of the lands.
Maestro's Totally Safe Hideout: The token copy has all the same text. This means it also has Land Casualty 2. This means you can get as many lands as you want given you have the bodies, and it goes infinite with Felidar Retreat
Madlands: Doesn't work as intended. The reminder text seems to suggest normal land timing rules apply, and you cannot play lands during the resolution of the madness ability. It would just go to your graveyard because you can't play it.
I thought that was intentional in the case of Maestro, but it's weird that Demo didn't catch it
Emblems, generally speaking, are difficult to get. And flavor-wise, they usually represent a planeswalker’s most powerful magic. I think it’s fine that they can’t be interacted with given those two points. Certainly not for the low price of 1G.
The main problem I have with emblems is that Planeswalkers entering play should not be able to get extra/double counters. The ultimate ability is very powerful but you should have to work to get there with the + abilities… when you can basically ETB the emblems, they tend to be broken.
Yep, that’s the whole point of an emblem, it’s hard to get and it should be untouchable
There's so many cards now that make it possible to ult most walkers instantly. Vorinclex, that one blue creature that doubles counters, every proliferate can trip, the enchantment where you proliferate whenever you cast a spell, etc.@@kishibelunatik
Demo, if you can get these cards and make an opening video, I think your channel would only benefit.
The Mirri art isn't new it is from the Vanguard card. RKF for the win!
I love how they gave all the Vanguard art new life in this set, even though the cards here will be hard to come by.
We can print any and all cards we want that Wizards limits the printing of from home for the cost of time and materials.
We need naturalize 2 so badly.
I don't disagree with Naturalize 2 being printed. But saying we have to have a way to interact with dungeons seems off? Dungeons are really low powered and take time to go through.
Idk, in my dungeon delver deck, I can blitz mad mage three times in a turn when my wheels start spinning.
Such a shame we won't be able to buy the do to scalping
Why don't we have these cards/mechanics? Because wizards has to put out a new set every month. Can't go dumping a bunch of good ideas in a set or two. Gotta sprinkle a little into a whole lot of products 😂
I think the Casuality land would be fine, it's much like Flare of Cultivation in a way and people don't even like that card.
I just want the goddamm Bolshack Dragon.
Festival in a box Las Vegas secret lair has a mystery booster 2 box that goes on sale on the 19th in four days ?
Flashforward seems dangerous to me. I'd hate to see something like underworld breech for the exile zone.
Edit: A card that can destroy the monarchy? Someone call Spice!
You can get rid of emblems. All you have to do is restart the game with Karn Liberated's ultimate.
that would be cool , to see u open a box of cards!
Really hope they print some of these mechanics. I wonder if Naturalize 2 would remove goad.
In my opinion Emblems, Dungeons, Monarch, & City’s Blessing should all just be classified as permanents that way they don’t need to add a whole new “mechanic “ so to speak and just let cards that already exist take care of them
That creates a new problem. If an emblem is a permanent, you can copy it. Monarch would admittedly be hilarious if you could copy it.
def gonna buy the convention in a box! I love the art and frames!
I hope level up lands become a thing.
i want generated horizons legal in commander
i also think thoughtweft is basically just cramping slithers style
As for why it'll be hard to get these outside of conventions, I think I heard this from either Mark Rosewater or Gavin Verhey:
The design and printing of these came out of the convention team's budget. They wanted to keep the first Mystery Booster convention-exclusive, but then The Thing happened and people didn't want to get Infect counters.
This time it was paid for by the con team, so they get to say it's only for cons, mostly. They said internally if the con team hadn't paid for it, it wouldn't have happened at all.
That is insane to hear if true. Did Wotc really not reconsider how to handle Mystery Booster 2 and outright decided not to pay for a second edition when it was one of the most successful and critically acclaimed sets of all time?
Are we really talking about the same Wotc, the one that's usually willing to milk every avenue of the game?
That's a bogus excuse.
So, the con team paid for, that's no reason it can't get a wider release.
I got lucky ordering the secret lair festival in a box
Hope it's worth the money
You technically can already get rid of emblems via Karn liberated resetting the game with his ultimate
Yeah I want Naturalize 2
Karn gets rid of Emblems by restarting the game but good luck activating that ultimate
I thanked Gavin for Magus of the Chains, and told him I hate him at the same time, because it’s not a real card.
Should have been called 'Natworalize' :D
I’m fine with a way to destroy emblems but I think it should cost much more than 2 mana
I guess Karn Liberated can get rid of Emblems and "Gameplay trackers"
I think all the cards you listed would be S-tier rule-zero acceptability.
🧪FINALLY! NATURALIZE 2! 🧪
Idk, I mean if you're worried about dealing with a dungeon or emblem why not just run other removal that deals with the source instead? Removal that hits planeswalkers, coubterspells for enter the dungeon ETB's, etc. I get the appeal since people cry about not being able to interact with those things, but in a way they can by being preemptive about it, right?. It kind of feels bad to spend 4 turns getting an emblem off a walker or running a somewhat gimmicky dungeon deck that isn't comboing out just to have it removed since it's already really difficult to get a lot of that stuff online without abusing mechanics
Sounds like the Kithkin legendary is just slivers with extra steps
Need a master roshi destroys the moon card to eliminate the day/night cycle
Can you not destroy an emblem with something like an Assassins Trophy?
nope. it's not a permanent because it's not on the battlefield.
Leg reveal
You're surprised one-off cards with untested mechanics don't make it into highly thematic, beginner-friendly sets? What sort of take is this 😂
Agree on Bloomburrow . It's very boring
Proxying!
Some hipster takes on Bloomburrow, man.
yes i'm aware, no one is allowed to dislike bloomburrow.
Ah yes, obviously there should be a card that can kill the emblem that I spent 4 turns getting while defending my planeswalker… NO! get out of here with that. This does have cool cards though, I’m sad to see some great ideas for a New Capenna 2 that never saw the light of day. Seems like more evidence that Murders at Karlov should have been a NC set
Not sure how "emblems are really hard to get" is an argument against emblem removal. There are plenty of 8+ mana artifacts or enchantment who die to naturalize.
"Ah yes, obviously there should be a card that can kill the Omniscience that I spent 10 turns getting while defending my own health… NO! get out of here with that."
@@DarksteelPenguinThere typically is no way to know someone has Omniscience until you play it, so your comparison makes no sense. Planeswalkers are out for everyone to see and know what the Ultimate you're building up to is, and makes you protect it from 3 other players until your turn when you can tick it up, and then you have to protect it all over again. You don't even have to kill the Planeswalker, just damage it more than it can tick up for, and you'll never see the emblem under normal circumstances. Not even counting all it takes is just one of many permanent removal spell to wipe it out right then and there.
These would be new cards and those usually make you all cranky
"I love Thoughweft"
No you dont. Thats Slivers.
*EVERYONE HATES SLIVERS*
The mechanics of Bloomburrow are pretty boring
I love how voicing you opinion is "complaning too much". Demo, don't you know you're supposed to love anything and everything Wotc does?!
No
I mean, why can't you play with these cards? If you and your patreons are fine with it, why not?
I'm not part of the peoples that want that set. I don't like white border, mana cost on the side and test card I don't care. Sorry for those who like it.
So the whole video about “im not buying new cards” was just to drum up viewership and controversy then right?
so if you watch the video i talk about i'm not buying into the constant powercreep and strict upgrades. it has nothing to do with buying interesting reprints.
mpc...who cares about buying these