The Only Foreign Empress of China? | Empress Ki
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 16 ธ.ค. 2021
- During Yuan Dynasty of China (1271-1368), Korean women were popular as wives in China. Among them, one eventually became the empress of China. She was Empress Ki.
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You can think of Empress Ki as hungry for power, but you have to think about the social situation at that time.
Empress Ki was from Goryeo, and other imperial families were very strict.
He needed power to protect his son.
This is an era where you never know when you will die without power. Seven emperors of the Yuan Dynasty were replaced in 40 years until Sunje, the husband of Empress Ki, became emperor.
LOL, please. This isn't a Kdrama with a pure-hearted heroine. She's just a power hungry b*tch.
In both Korea and China, she is portrayed as a bad villain. History is written by the victors. Not all of their records may be true.
@@anthyavila9726 everyone there was power hungry I wouldn’t call her a bitch for that if it wasn’t her it would have been someone else so it might as well been her. In my opinion if you actually looked at actual history she was better than ever one around her. The dynasty survived because of her. The king would have just fallen in like like the people before him if it wasn’t for her. She is cool and admirable from slave to the mother of a king the highest position a woman can ever have she is admirable. She wasn’t power hungry she needed power to survive.
@@anthyavila9726 stop being a snowflake, everyone in politics are power hungry and ambitious. Every monarch, emperors, empresses, kings, queens, royalty and politicians are always driven by the desire for more power.
Anthy Avila, did you not read what they said? At no point did the OP ever say that their life was like a kdrama or that she was kindhearted. Only that the ways in which women had to fight for power in those days which is TRUE. In those days if women didn't fight for power they could be killed and their families dishonored. They had no choice! So don't be naive and jump to conclusions.
I don't really trust historical sources from misogynistic historians who put not only Empress Ki into bad light after she died but did the same to Catherine The Great, Queen Seon-deok, Cleopatra, Queen Anne, and Eleanor of Aquatine. Even in a period of time, Joan of Arc was portrayed as a Witch.
I agree women are always blamed when things go wrong, when England broke from Rome they blamed Anne though Henry 8 was greedy to steal the churches wealth because he had squandered the largest treasury procured by his father in Medieval history in his failed wars. Catherine made Russia great which bruised the over-bloated male egos of Europe while Cleopatra wanted to reclaim Egypt’s glory due to years of dynastic in fighting and she almost did it. Seon-deok policies helped unify the kingdoms in the Korean Peninsula but her officials were indigent which is similar to Wu-Zhetian whose policies helped bring the golden age of China’s Tang Dynasty.
Are you surprised that she’s not he good girl from the show ? This is reel life it is always More bloody than reel life
@@froce2354 I got the distinct impression she was talking about history - and not Netflix fiction...? I guess my brain is underheating.
In 2022 ,I forget that some people believe that women aren't capable of being terrible people by their own choices. And before people start whining, I am female.
Huh what about queen seon deok?
After I watched the K-drama Faith and realised Gi Cheol was Empress Ki's brother, I was shocked! I couldn't believe that they made her such a heroine in comparison... still loved it tho lol
True. And the Goryeo King at the time when Wang Yoo was killed was King Gong Min.
Gong Min is Wang Yoo's (Chunghye) brother. They are grandsons of Chungseon, the crown prince Wang Won in the series The King in Love played by Im Si Wan.
Gong Yoo is not real. It's a mix of Gong Min and the bad degenerate king in Faith.
Omg!! She attempted to make her son the Emperor while her husband were still alive. In tv series she was described as different person. 👀
Yeah, when I did research on her I was so disappointed that they made her so nice when she was not. She was power hungry.
@@doreensika837 wasn’t she power hungry in the drama too? It seemed like it to me
@@rqinytxars5654 they made her seem she had to get power to do good. I was so disappointed when I found out the truth. But they have creative licenses.
The history we may know and we didn't know is different. You know that in many history, there's many enemy would destroy the real notes about some country. So, it's not like everything now we read, hear and know are true.
If You guys were her I think You also wouldn't mind your country of that position you possess, She was empress of a foreign country and her image would be destroyed, The Family she is in is very dangerous. She needs to think twice one mistake or you die at least thats what my opinion.
After reading all the comments, some say that empress ki was a vile snake or others praised her saying that history did her dirty. I do agree that history can be distorted by the victor and not entirely accurate. I always say that if I can choose a superpower, it would be the ability to view history. I don’t want to live it, experience it or change it but simply view it for what it is. I love history and I love stories but I also love to see the truth and be able to judge things on my own instead of someone giving me their viewpoints of what happened.
So that's why the empress ki ending was awkward..... (k drama), because Empress Ki death was mysterious and the yuan dynasty was ended. LMAO
Not Empress of China, but it was Empress of Mongolian Empire. It is big difference
Still be part of China
@@nazatulsahara8416 sorry not part of china
@@nazatulsahara8416 china was part of mongolian empire lol take your history lessons
empress of china and mongolian.
@@awancah7309 no
Omggg been waiting for this. 😍😍
So glad you're making videos on the Yuan Dynasty! Hope you upload more. Great video as always :)
Her K-drama is one of my favorite
Empress Ki's Kdrama creation was made way too far from the original story. She was portrayed a heroine but actually a vile woman anyway it's good to learn something from the past. It always mesmerized me and sometimes gave me a dejavu
If she were the protagonist, the show would be shown from her perspective and according to that she would be shown good only. Isn't that like common sense?
Have you seen Dong Yi and Jang ok Jeong? Surely you can see the difference there as well. In Jang ok Jeong, Dong Yi is shown bad when she actually wasn't, but because it's from ok Jeong's pov according to her, Dong Yi was the antagonist in her story.
It's all according to perspective. If a kdrama is shown from someone's perspective, even a villain could be the protagonist.
I'd argue she wasn't, in fact, portrayed as an heroine. She did many terrible things which she never denied, but she was out for revenge and after her son's birth she sought the means to protect him. The show is filled with duality, even the vilest antagonists are portrayed in a different light when around those they care for. They aren't unidimensional, they are as complex as real people, which is exactly how they should be.
Like Jay said. Human-beings are complex creatures. Almost no one is 100% good or 100% evil. If the movie was taken from the perspective of one of the antagonists, like Tanashiri or the Emperess Dowager, it would be the exact same matter. In politics, everyone thinks what they're doing is "right" in their own reasoning.
I will stick with what I saw in Empress Ki kdrama.. Just like the only woman emperor of China; Empress Wu, they made her look ruthless through the records but she has done so much so her country will flourish and hated just because she’s a woman.. Similarly, Empress Ki was hated just because she’s from a foreign land.. just my thought.. 😊😊😊
Well, stay ignorant, Sheila Mae. 🙄
Wu Zetian was a good ruler….but she’s no way a good person, her first husband Taizong was a good ruler but a bad person according to modern moralists. Good people could not be good rulers, they gonna be ate alive.
Of course. History books are just propaganda anyway. The victorious faction always writes the history.
Anthy, they were good or even great rulers still. You can be a good ruler and still be a bad person.
Yeah no.
Wu Zetian is an entirely different discussion compared to Empress Ki.
You have to understand that the Yuan dynasty is one of China's terrible dynasties as the Mongols wanted an empire in Asia and perhaps even Europe.
Even Korea has suffered enough from being attacked by foreigners which is why it's a pretty sensitive topic to people in Korea.
Great video as always. The series Empress ki made her a hero when she was far from it. She wasn’t a nice person either. Thanks for accurate information.
How do you know this is an accurate information, you don't know who wrote that information, sometimes not everything written by history is entirely correct.
@@chinwenduchinecherem9400 well her history is not good in her native country Korea, is not good in China history, nor is good in Mongolia. What else is there to say. I doubt all those countries came together to give her the same character. Maybe is just the truth. Maybe she just was a bad person why do people believe that women can’t be evil. There were some of her contemporaries around the time they were able to record who she was and how she behaved. So yes I believe it. Good day.
A lot different from the k-drama series, which was one of my favourites.
Wow!
The records of Empress Ki are the records of the victors, whether it is the records of the Yuan Dynasty, the records of the Goryeo history, or the records of the Joseon Dynasty. It is said that history is written by the victors.
The bad record of Empress Ki in Goryeo is that when Goryeo fell and Joseon was founded, Lee Bang-won buried all of the Goryeo royal family in the sea and killed them. So, the cause of the collapse of Goryeo was necessary, and the record in China was made into a villain of the century because the cause of the collapse of the Yuan Dynasty was needed when the Yuan Dynasty collapsed and Zhu Wonjang founded the Ming Dynasty.
There is no such thing as a bad thing in Mongolian history. It is said that when there was a famine in the Yuan dynasty, the empress persuaded the emperor to send a collection of goodies to the people.
Interesting rendition. Goodies???
Yi Bang Won was the son of the founder of Joseon Dynasty, Yi Seong Ye
The winner is the King.
Absolute power corrupts absolute, with the victor from the struggle of power writing history in their image.
Empress Ki may have been called evil, but only because victors possibly rewrote her as such. She was probably also denounced as evil because she had the emperor in her pocket 🤷🏽♀️
Edit: sis really was a bit out of pocket GATDAMN….
No, she was vile because she attacked her own country.
The K Drama Shindon (2005) (or Sindon ) has a more accurate depiction of Empress Ki and her brother Gi Cheol .
Thank you for this. The real Empress Gi since the drama is too different
You people can drag from now till eternity,i will stick with what i saw in the drama,my Empress ki is a beautiful,wise & powerful woman,who has all the love of Toghon Temur to herself.
Only the comment section makes me feel better!
Her death is a mystery? That means there's no tomb?
Mongols did not make tombs .chengis khan did not have a tomb when he was buried he had horses overrun his grave and then the people who did killed
Many source said 1369 she catched Red Turban Revolution transferred to Nanking China and executed. But Not official
Yuan empire did not belong to China, it included China, Mongolia and Southern Siberia. It was ruled by Mongolians.
Yes .. Yuan was Mongol Empire..it's Empire extended parts of Siberia in Russia in the North to northeastern Indian in South
Thx for this story.
But...why in drama, the costum are in Tang dinasty not Yuan dinasty.??
Sometimes to made their costume will be more budget
The drama was wrong about the outfits. Her husband portrait was him in white Mongolian outfit ( white as used as royal according Mongolian culture, not gold). Their outfits in the drama are too Han.
Can't get over the fact that the Empress Ki drama made Tanashiri some wild schemer who even stole a son that she used as a tool, when in ACTUAL HISTORY, she was only the Empress for two years, her son died as an infant, and Toghon Temur used her brother's rebellion as a pretext to execute her, at the age of freaking FIFTEEN, so he can shack up with that vile b*tch later revered as Empress Ki.
At that time it didn’t matter how old a person was, he would be punished anyway. And how could he love the daughter of the murderer of his parents? Would you?
Damn they were young but he was the same age as her..
That's how you perceive it. But, for kingdoms esp in China where they have a saying 'The winner is King', power struggle is normal. It's a kill or be killed environment. It's the battle of the wits.
Not A Normal Reaction the other famous saying is “ The Victor shallow known as a King, the Vanquished shall be known as Criminals “
Well so many amazing woman of history are badly reputed, because of misogynistic historians, who distorted truth for their own hain. If any woman went against patriarchy she would be portrayed in a bad light, these historians generally preferred a subservient woman for their own reasoning. Do, it's hard to say who is right or who is wrong.
Sis was not playing games lol
Yuan dynasty isn’t china it’s Mongolian Empire!!!
Well, Mongolia was part of China, which is largely Han Chinese with Mongolians being the minority. It's China ruled temporarily by a minority group, but still China. Study history, stupid.
No, the Mongolians ruled China during that period solely as China, they did not add China into their Mongolian empire
@@ihatenfts501 Yuan dynasty included Mongolia, China, South of Siberia and the empire was ruled by Mongolians. So it was China part of the Yuan empire.
The Yuan Dynasty was China. Kublai and his subjects acknowledged himself as having the Mandate of Heaven (in the Chinese tradition) and he even compiled the History of the Song Dynasty to add to the official records in the same way Chinese emperors before him had done. Further, the founding emperor of the Ming Dynasty also saw the Yuan Dynasty as legitimately Chinese.
Also, it was the Mongol Empire, not “Mongolian Empire.
元代政府體系和統治基礎仍是中原模式的，這一點其繼任者明朝也承認，編修的《元史》是中國的二十四部正史之一。更為重要的是，元朝的統治者也以中國皇帝自居，如果你要將元朝剔除出中國的歷史，你得先問問中國的600多萬蒙古族同胞答不答應。
Lots of people in the comments ignoring that Yuan dynasty is a Chinese dynasty ruled by Mongols, as Wei and Northen dynasties were rules by Xiongnu or Xianbei, and Qing dynasty was Manchu.
But they were recognised, and are recognised, as Chinese history.
China is not only Han, and only a xenophobe and sinophobe can't recognise it
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It's Mongolia history!
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Imagine having a 13 year old bayan an empress? I just couldn't imagine how is she doing at that time..maybe still playing?😂😂😂
Actually, for me shes the greatest Yuan empress
Uh huh
Oh No she was one of Main role WHO destroyed Yuan. She still fighthing against Mongol General untill end. 1365 Red Turban Revolution is too Dangerous Bor Timur General conquered Daidu and catched her. She sitting in prison. But her son Ayush fleed to Koke Timur. Koke Timur attacked then 1366 to Daidu and killed Bor Timur.
No.. she's one of the main reason for the fall of Mongol Empire in China
I have seen empress Ki , K- dramma then i come here
Is it any good? I'm almost done with the General's Lady, looking for my next binge!
@@Phlowermom absolutely
@@Phlowermom not really because it was unnecessary long like 50 plus episodes. The story was kinda back and fourth so many fillers between the main events of drama.
This narration contradicts the one that Koreans had shown in their historical kdrama series, Empress Ki.
Yuan Dynasty was not China. It is Yuan Dynasty of Mongolia. It was a country founded and ruled by kings of Mongolian. History must not be distorted.☹☹☹
但是其政府體系和統治基礎仍是中原模式的，這一點其繼任者明朝也承認，編修的《元史》是中國的二十四部正史之一。更為重要的是，元朝的統治者也以中國皇帝自居，如果你要將元朝剔除出中國的歷史，你得先問問中國的600多萬蒙古族同胞答不答應。
The name of Yuan comes from Chinese, the official language, the characters from the Han nationality, the state system from the Han nationality, and 70% of the aristocratic officials from the Han nationality's Mongolian empire? Chinese-speaking Mongol Empire?🤣🤣
it's just not a han chinese dynasty, but it's very much a chinese empire considering how kublai ruled from beijing and not from mongolia, also, kublai was khan only in name, his realm of control was basically china and parts of mongolia...the rest of the mongol empire were ruled by other khans
The claim that the Yuan Dynasty is Chinese history is only the claim of the Chinese.
But the world recognizes it as Mongolia's history.
@@user-jj6mx3tc1g At the time of the Yuan Dynasty, the Han Chinese were the lowest in status.
China? Yuan dynasty is ruled by the Monguls and isn't whoever conquers the region is the new name of the country therefore Empress Ki isn't the only Korean Empress of China because it was moguls who conquered China and her husband still has controll of other regions of Yuan dynasty outside China
Mongolia was part of China
@@asianamericancasestudies6434 China was part of Mongolian empire, not another way around. Mongolians just added China to their empire when they conquered China. Yuan empire included Inner Mongolia, outer Mongolia, China, and part of Southern Siberia.
@@sgcl10658 I’m sorry, but Kublai established himself as emperor of China. It’s a position he held while simultaneously holding the title of Great Khan. The Yuan Dynasty is undeniably Chinese.
Yuan Dynasty was a Chinese dynasty ruled by Mongols just like the Qing Dynasty was a Chinese dynasty ruled by Manchus.
@@tc2334 The Manchus of the Qing Dynasty disappeared as a nation and are now a minority ethnic group in China.
Mongolia is a country.
So, Chingkis Khan is the history of Mongolia, not the history of China. Chinese historical expression
It is a fitting expression of the Yuan Dynasty colonial period under Mongol rule.
Domination of other countries is not shameful.
As all countries were founded and collapsed, there were also many countries that were ruled by other countries when they were at their weakest.
If it's embarrassing and manipulated, that's not history...
Learn and respect history boldly and realistically
But China couldn't.
Yuan dynasty is mainly ruled by MONGOLIA. So you should change your title to “Only foreign empress of MONGOLIA”
但是其政府體系和統治基礎仍是中原模式的，這一點其繼任者明朝也承認，編修的《元史》是中國的二十四部正史之一。更為重要的是，元朝的統治者也以中國皇帝自居，如果你要將元朝剔除出中國的歷史，你得先問問中國的600多萬蒙古族同胞答不答應。
It was not Chinese. She was empress of Mongol. Because Yuang dynasty was mongol empire. It was existed before Ming dynasty. In example Baynhutugt is actually Mongolian name.[sorry for my bad English]
Current day China.
Yuan dynasty is part of China
@@SEBASTIAN-lw6ib At the time of the Yuan Dynasty, the Han Chinese were the lowest in status.
Tbh as a Chinese i not Sure If Its truth
bruh, mongol empresses are technically all foreign
No? lol "Mongolia" was a part of the Yuan Dynasty, so how would Mongol princesses be foreign?
No Mongolian royal regents were never married foreigns they only married hereid hongirads they are all mongol!
She was 18 when she was sent to China? Sure.
There was no China at that time. It was the Mongol Empire.
The Han Chinese were destroyed by the Mongol Empire and lived as slaves.
You keep saying she was opposed by the minister. The minister of what? The prime minister?
Ministers of Yuan. Of course they would oppose her from being the empress. Who would want a stranger or enemy become your ruler? You can watch the drama if you want to know more.
@@NurHidayah-uo2gc but it’s not accurate. Lady Ki (Gi) was very manipulative but she came from a culture that was elitist and power hungry. What did you expect? The Yuan ministers only saw her as a servant and worse, non Mongol. They never considered Korea (subjugated country) as a threat or an enemy.
Currently watching Empress Ki Kdrama was she actually in love with and had a baby for the King of Goreyo?
no, it was never recorded in History. The producers just made it into a love triangle so that its more exciting
Mongolian empire !!!
Yuan dynasty is Mongolian dont say China!!!!
Mongol is not china, that time mongols occupied china 🤣
Definetly les than 9
Hey, if you're the emperor you might as well import hot women.
your very beginnig sentence was very wrong. It was Yuan Dynasty under Mongols. Not china. china as a name was not there in that time. Ki was a key person who made Togontumur weak as having meditation and other stuff!!!
LOL korean dream
REPENT! JESUS IS COMING!
Amen
I thought he is here already and everywhere.
So it was actually Koreans defeated the Mongol armies not Chinese. 😆
Yuan dynasty is mainly ruled by MONGOLIA. So you should change your title to “Only foreign empress of MONGOLIA”
Mongolia as a country didn’t exist at this time. She was married to the emperor of China (who was a Mongol at that time) and in every official record she bears that name. The Mongols themselves had loads of foreign princesses and queens.
@@tc2334 Yuan dynasty, Wade-Giles romanization Yüan, also called Mongol dynasty, dynasty established by Mongol nomads that ruled portions and eventually all of China from the early 13th century to 1368.
@@venicebitch5368 It was one of multiple invader-led dynasties of China. Also, it’s 100% possible for two things to exist at once. Yuan Dynasty is as much a part of Mongolian history as it is of Chinese history. However, after Kublai took over, the empire broke into four parts and Kublai and his descendants only ruled mainly the area we call China.
@@tc2334 agree but still title is so wrong. Emperor himself was Gengis Khan’s descendant. It’s like saying Jew people are Germans and associate their accomplishment and history to Germans or smth
@@venicebitch5368 Well, it is "China" if applying the term in the way we do every other dynasty. By this logic, Tang Dynasty, is Tang and not "China". Regardless of whose descendant he is, he still held the title of "Emperor of China". The Tang conquered the Sui and Song conquered Tang. Just because the rulers were overthrown, doesn't make the empire illegitimate, especially if the people eventually accept it.
The Jew/Germany/Hitler comparison is also weird because no one would deny that Hitler was the ruler of the country called Germany, regardless of how awful he was. Also, Hitler was indeed German. In the same way, there are loads of Chinese Mongols. In fact, most Mongols are Chinese citizens anyway.
Yuan dynasty is mainly ruled by MONGOLIA. So you should change your title to “Only foreign empress of MONGOLIA”
i agree with you
In modern society, Mongolia is registered by the international community.
There is no basis for claiming Chinese history like the Manchus of the Qing Dynasty.
The identity of the nation that records history is important! They say they are Mongolian, not Han.
And now that a country called Mongolia has been established and exists, how can the descendants of Mongolia become the history of China?
It is unfortunate that China does not have a mature understanding of respecting the history of other countries.
@@beautifulthelifeis4450 So the Mongolian language, characters and system used in Yuan Dynasty? Mongolian history in Chinese language, writing and system? Mongolians colonized by culture?🤣
@@beautifulthelifeis4450 After the defeat of the Mongol Empire to the Song Empire in 1259, Ali Buge inherited the khan of the Mongol Empire!The empire began to collapse, Kublai was a traitor to the Mongolian empire!Because Kublai joined forces with the northern Han warlords to establish the Yuan Empire, which was independent from the Mongolian Empire,Six years later, he killed Ali Buge and claimed to be the emperor of China and the great Khan of Mongolia.China's history has never been wiped out by a foreign country that is not Chinese in language, writing, system and culture! Because the founding system of Yuan Empire, language and characters all came from Han Chinese.🤣
@@beautifulthelifeis4450 if that's your reasoning then plenty of countries that were part of the mongolian empire would have gaps in their history books lol
@@user-jj6mx3tc1g You don't have a basic education!
Even today, many countries speak English or Spanish,
The local language is used for the Roman alphabet.
If the Yuan Dynasty borrowed Chinese characters, it cannot be the history of the Han Chinese.
I don't know why the Chinese are so greedy for other foreign cultures.
Yuan dynasty is mainly ruled by MONGOLIA. So you should change your title to “Only foreign empress of MONGOLIA”
Yuan Dynasty rulers were Mongolian nomads that invaded China but still appointed Han Chinese to govern while abiding to imperial Chinese dynasty laws and living. Mongolian nobles didn't like Kublai Khan (Yuan dynasty emperor).
But the Yuan Dynasty is part of Chinese history. And if you research all of the monarchies in the history of CHINA, Yuan dynasty is always listed as part of that.
@@Emma88178 yes it was part of it, but this title makes it looks like it’s only Chinese history. Han or chinese people were only minority
@@venicebitch5368 元代政府體系和統治基礎仍是中原模式的，這一點其繼任者明朝也承認，編修的《元史》是中國的二十四部正史之一。更為重要的是，元朝的統治者也以中國皇帝自居，如果你要將元朝剔除出中國的歷史，你得先問問中國的600多萬蒙古族同胞答不答應。
@@venicebitch5368 Han or chinese people were only minority
Han chinese minority in Yuan dyansty??? LMAO