When Kelvin Kiptum set the current record, it was just a question of when he broke 2hrs, not if. Then it was who among the greats. Now it's wide open to anyone from Kenya.
If he closed that quickly, means he was definitely holding back a good amount throughout the race so he might have the ability to go sub 2:01 if he did the first half right at 1 hour.
I never wanna say a runner is the next Bolt, Michael Johnson, Kipchoge, etc, but Sawe's debut is really similar to Kiptum's and hopefully he'll be able to progress in a similar way and have a long career. I'm calling for him to be the first sub 2 and Kiplimo to take it from there in a few years.
@dulesklek-pokretjelek9301 he hasn't run one yet so I get that saying anything is a bold prediction but its not a case of cheptegei and bekele where they were known for track, kiplimo has been known as a road runner while also having good track speed. He has like a decade to build up to a marathon and I really don't see him performing that badly relative to his half marathon.
Valencia delivered again. Great race. We also witnessed a new german number 1 and number 3 with times of 2:04:56 and 2:05:47. And we had Tadesse Abraham run a 2:04:40 at 42 years old.
Super shows have clearly helped but that is just part of the story. Double threshold training Nutrition has massively improved And the mental barriers are being broken. Running is a mental sport and the sub 2 hour marathon is within 5 years of being broken.
To think that not long after one generational athlete left us, another would arrive. I realy wanna see a sub-2 in my lifetime, and if Sawe keeps with it, he might be the one to do it.
Kiptum would have done it, really his thing was he was still learning how to run a marathon in a way that suited him. And he already managed 2:00:35. If Saw is the same, give him a few marathons just to work out how to run the marathon to suit him. Then he just needs to enter Berlin or Chicago, and that'll be that.
I’m missing a shoutout to Tadesse Abraham: 5th place, 2:04:40, Swiss national record; all at age 42! This was also the third fastest Masters performance and Abraham beat Bekele for the second time head to head (he also finished in front of him at the Olympics).
i love it, i was there for the prime of sprinting usain bolt 2008 and sprinting at school and now I'm running long distance and everyone's breaking records
I really feel like super shoes are a huge help when it comes to the marathon, but that is a small part of the equation for an elite athlete. As an American, clearly we don’t understand how everyone is running so fast, but I think fueling and training outweigh super shoes. It’s hard to make an argument for that given the statistics shown in the video though.
1. Super deep talent pool due to running being one of the few ways out of poverty for many African's. 2. Selective screening, at very young age, so that the resources only go to the best genetic / natural runners. 3. PEDs 4. Super shoes. Fueling / diet are very simple and unnecessarily convoluted in order for dieticians to dazzle the public with "science" and charge ridiculous fees for writing up diet plans. Likewise, every top coach knows how to train their athletes. Some have slightly different approaches than others but it's not like the African teams have some secret training regime that the U.S doesn't know about. If anything, the African system can afford to have a higher risk - reward ratio of training compared to Western countries. Similar to modern China and the old Soviet era where athletes are pushed, almost recklessly, to breaking point. Those who come through it attain exceptional new standards and for those who break along the way there's 10 others waiting to replace them.
@@petewest3122 I meant fueling before/ during a race. For me that was the most difficult part of running a marathon. It seems all of the big names have it down even though I couldn’t figure it out after more than a year. I think on the very high end you do have East Africans who may use PEDs and have the talent pool and running out of poverty that you mentioned but Japan and other first world countries also have plenty of men sub 2:08. The US is very far behind so that’s why I don’t think you can just say “super shoes is why everyone is better”. Clearly not if the US has 1 guy sub 2:08 compared to Japan’s 10+
There needs to be a clear division between the regular shoe era and the "Super Shoe" era. You just can't compare when a piece of equipment helps you drop 5-6 min off your PB.
@@gsomethingsomething2658 a lot of things improved. Today, everything is optimised. The fast courses with almost zero altitude and not too many turns. Also the time of year and the start time usually are chosen almost perfectly Personally I think that's (much) more important for fast times than the shoes.
Sawe ran the end of the race like he entirely had it in him to break Kiptum's record, but being his first marathon, why risk the extra effort? Also if he does something like this again, if like Kiptum, he does his next marathon a good margin faster, then he may be the one to break 2 hours. The marathon very much rewards experience, more he races more he'll know just how to handle it. And for someone who is a hair away from sub 2:02, with no experience, that's a bunch of time he can get just by knowing more about how to run a marathon.
I think super shoes have got to the limit. Kelvin Kiptum's world record is really difficult. Some one can break it, but maybe by just 2 or 3 seconds, but just to reach under 2:01 is really tough. Only one person has done that in a race.
I’ve gotta give this race a go when I’m faster. My friend did a 2:42 at Valencia setting a PR. He ran with Anya culling for part of it (they had the same time)
Sub 3hr finishers were probably the highest for any event. 5089 if I remember correctly. I did a 3:05.23 and was in 6280th or something similar. 1200 places for just over 5 mins.
True, he was an anomaly, if you wish. TRP should see what 2023's top 10 average times are without Kiptum's London 2.01 and Chicago 2.00 included (a bit unfair but we have to take him not running this year - for obvious reasons, RIP - in to account).
Sure, I think the potential of most runners has been tapped out through those shoes. It’s hard to say if there will be better technology that is legal. But I will say it’s gonna take another athlete outstanding athlete, Usain Bolt, Michael Phelps, Calvin Kiptum Roy Jones Junior Floyd Mayweather George Foreman re-winning the world title and his 40s
i don't think we've yet to see overall effect of super shoes. Looking at the athletes,most of them still train on regulars. They just switch to super shoes on races. When prices get affordable for most of the people, whole pack will start to get faster and this will lead out to push borders furthermore. Loving the competition in here. On,Nike,Adidas,Asics,Brooks exc all trying to innovate. Sub 2 in 2025. Why not 🎉
@@Krissie_zg what you just commented is like saying, "why don't you take steroids and become Mr Olympia or World's Strongest Man", it's too simple minded. You still need the hard work, the genetics to be world class, the proper coach and training, etc. Anyone with a logical brain knows that doping is not the only reason world class athletes are so good. It's a combination of many routines but drugs getting better also leads to better athletes.
@@lewisgreenhalgh7546 it's ignorant to be oblivious to the fact that drugs play a role in every sport where money is on the line. Cycling had a massive doping problem back in the 90s and early 2000s where the majority of the peloton was doping. Even to this day many pro cyclists are doping and getting smarter about hiding it. Kenya even set up an anti-doping center recently and Kenyan runners are still dodging them.
1:57 is the immovable target. To me, to me, nothing counts until the 1:57 mark is reached. Again everything under the calculated lowest bounds in any event is only a personal record. Now, every runner knows of the 1:57 mark. Every runner knows that the first runner to reach that mark will be a true immortal. I do not have a million dollars but any one who has a million dollars needs to set that as the prize for the first 1:57 runner. Additionally, stop fucking around. Put your money down in Vegas and tell us who you got. Who you got that will run the 1:57? When will they run the 1:57. Vagas needs to set up a sports book at the 1:57 mark. Why? First Drama. Second suspense. And third since sports betting is now legal it puts asses in seats and causes people to watch screens large and small. I will try to find out who will take the 1:57 bet. But for right now I want to see a list of the ten people most likely to reach 1:57. If both men and women are not in your 10 most likely runners you are fooling yourself. The expectation that any human can run a 1:57 is what will turn athletics into pure drama and adrenaline. On the speed side I think 9:50 is the lowest possible limit. The same million dollars for the Marathon needs to be given to any person who reaches down to 9:50. Who can run a 9:50?. When will it be run? And what is the beating line and odds. (I do not personally wager or gamble. If you do and you think you cannot control the urge to place a bet please contact Gambler's Anonymous. Michael Jordan has a gambling problem as did Charles Barkley. Both men sought treatment. They are now responsible gamblers if they still gamble at all.) Hate it or love it Mr. Strawberry gambling in sport is now the straw that stirs the drink. Give us your list Nostradamus.
I just love the pool of talent that we Kenyans, poses. One dies or gets banned, another star rises. The haters can say whatever they want to but we Keep on disappointing them day after day.
I swear Sebastian Sawe is probably gonna disappear in a few years. Majority of the time when someone runs one of the fastest marathon times in their debut they usually don’t do much after that since they’ve probably already hit their peak and burnt out
When Kelvin Kiptum set the current record, it was just a question of when he broke 2hrs, not if. Then it was who among the greats. Now it's wide open to anyone from Kenya.
Sawe is New sub 2:01✌️
If he closed that quickly, means he was definitely holding back a good amount throughout the race so he might have the ability to go sub 2:01 if he did the first half right at 1 hour.
Or Ethiopian or Ugandan .. potentials in those 2 countries too
@@krest45-p9xYeah I mean look at Kejelcha, Kiplimo Cheptegei
Whoever is on the best drugs
I never wanna say a runner is the next Bolt, Michael Johnson, Kipchoge, etc, but Sawe's debut is really similar to Kiptum's and hopefully he'll be able to progress in a similar way and have a long career.
I'm calling for him to be the first sub 2 and Kiplimo to take it from there in a few years.
@@jaden5493 Kiplimo is not be a good maratoner ✌️
@dulesklek-pokretjelek9301 he hasn't run one yet so I get that saying anything is a bold prediction but its not a case of cheptegei and bekele where they were known for track, kiplimo has been known as a road runner while also having good track speed. He has like a decade to build up to a marathon and I really don't see him performing that badly relative to his half marathon.
Valencia delivered again. Great race. We also witnessed a new german number 1 and number 3 with times of 2:04:56 and 2:05:47. And we had Tadesse Abraham run a 2:04:40 at 42 years old.
Wow 👏
That's not impressive...
@@ProphetMuhammad-786are you a clown?
@@ProphetMuhammad-786😅 what did you drink?
If its not impressive do better 😂@@ProphetMuhammad-786
Today Kiptum would have turned 25☹️☹️
We could've seen a sub 2 marathon by now I bet. 25-30 would've been prime Kelvin Kiptum.
Really was an amazing race. Shout out to Buchanan. Crushed it
Super shows have clearly helped but that is just part of the story.
Double threshold training
Nutrition has massively improved
And the mental barriers are being broken.
Running is a mental sport and the sub 2 hour marathon is within 5 years of being broken.
To think that not long after one generational athlete left us, another would arrive. I realy wanna see a sub-2 in my lifetime, and if Sawe keeps with it, he might be the one to do it.
Kipchoge already ran a sub 2 hour marathon just not on an official course
@@RubberyDuckkery867Me too. I ran sub 2 in my dreams
Kiptum would have done it, really his thing was he was still learning how to run a marathon in a way that suited him. And he already managed 2:00:35. If Saw is the same, give him a few marathons just to work out how to run the marathon to suit him. Then he just needs to enter Berlin or Chicago, and that'll be that.
Love your Rocket League vids man! Didn't expect to see you on here lol.
I’m missing a shoutout to Tadesse Abraham: 5th place, 2:04:40, Swiss national record; all at age 42!
This was also the third fastest Masters performance and Abraham beat Bekele for the second time head to head (he also finished in front of him at the Olympics).
i love it, i was there for the prime of sprinting usain bolt 2008 and sprinting at school and now I'm running long distance and everyone's breaking records
Valencia is showing year after year that it has to be considered as one of the best marathons to achieve great times
4:09 is 2023 Berlin Marathon, not 2024
Lol yes
I really feel like super shoes are a huge help when it comes to the marathon, but that is a small part of the equation for an elite athlete. As an American, clearly we don’t understand how everyone is running so fast, but I think fueling and training outweigh super shoes. It’s hard to make an argument for that given the statistics shown in the video though.
1. Super deep talent pool due to running being one of the few ways out of poverty for many African's.
2. Selective screening, at very young age, so that the resources only go to the best genetic / natural runners.
3. PEDs
4. Super shoes.
Fueling / diet are very simple and unnecessarily convoluted in order for dieticians to dazzle the public with "science" and charge ridiculous fees for writing up diet plans.
Likewise, every top coach knows how to train their athletes. Some have slightly different approaches than others but it's not like the African teams have some secret training regime that the U.S doesn't know about. If anything, the African system can afford to have a higher risk - reward ratio of training compared to Western countries. Similar to modern China and the old Soviet era where athletes are pushed, almost recklessly, to breaking point. Those who come through it attain exceptional new standards and for those who break along the way there's 10 others waiting to replace them.
I think I need my own super-shoes. Ones for runners over 220lbs…
@@petewest3122 I meant fueling before/ during a race. For me that was the most difficult part of running a marathon. It seems all of the big names have it down even though I couldn’t figure it out after more than a year.
I think on the very high end you do have East Africans who may use PEDs and have the talent pool and running out of poverty that you mentioned but Japan and other first world countries also have plenty of men sub 2:08. The US is very far behind so that’s why I don’t think you can just say “super shoes is why everyone is better”. Clearly not if the US has 1 guy sub 2:08 compared to Japan’s 10+
Valencia is a goated course
There needs to be a clear division between the regular shoe era and the "Super Shoe" era. You just can't compare when a piece of equipment helps you drop 5-6 min off your PB.
Eh what? The marathon WR was 2:02:55 ten years ago, long before the supershoes.
@@jimmybondy9450 His point clearly still stands, though.
@@gsomethingsomething2658 a lot of things improved. Today, everything is optimised. The fast courses with almost zero altitude and not too many turns. Also the time of year and the start time usually are chosen almost perfectly
Personally I think that's (much) more important for fast times than the shoes.
Super shoes help but you need to be an amazing athlete to run these times regardless of shoes
2025 is goanna be 🔥🔥🔥🔥
We have many more kiptums in kenya, maybe 4, you ain't shocked yet, sub 2hrs is coming soon from kenya
I can run sub 2 on my marathon debut but I'm not Kenyan
@ProphetMuhammad-786 I wouldn't doubt you, you are a prophet but can't you foresee uour failure of not even finishing a 5k
Lots of good PEDs in Kenya
Let’s not go over the fact that Tadese Abraham ran a 2:04:40 and set a new Swiss record
Not that a Swiss record is something special.
But he did it as a 42y old, and that's impressive.
Yohanes Chappinelli broke the Italian national record too with 2:05:24, taking it from Crippa.
You know damn well he was thinking about Kelvin Kiptum
What about Kenenisa Bekele..? Nothing mentioned and is not in the top 24... did he drop out or did he even finish?
He sadly dropped out. Stayed with the lead pack through half way then dropped back slightly. Looks like he dropped around 30k
@@TotalRunningProductions dang 😔
@@TotalRunningProductions oh nooo he's back to this again... sad.
Great race as always
Sawe ran the end of the race like he entirely had it in him to break Kiptum's record, but being his first marathon, why risk the extra effort? Also if he does something like this again, if like Kiptum, he does his next marathon a good margin faster, then he may be the one to break 2 hours. The marathon very much rewards experience, more he races more he'll know just how to handle it. And for someone who is a hair away from sub 2:02, with no experience, that's a bunch of time he can get just by knowing more about how to run a marathon.
How is “the marathon is completely broken “ ? ? ! ! Records are broken the marathon isn’t
I think super shoes have got to the limit. Kelvin Kiptum's world record is really difficult. Some one can break it, but maybe by just 2 or 3 seconds, but just to reach under 2:01 is really tough. Only one person has done that in a race.
I’ve gotta give this race a go when I’m faster. My friend did a 2:42 at Valencia setting a PR. He ran with Anya culling for part of it (they had the same time)
One of the most insanely fast marathon's I've ever seen. We are really in a new era of marathon running.
unbelievable 🤯
The German Marathon Record got broken as well. Samuel Fitwi broke it by 2 seconds finishing 9th in 2:04:56.
Also Italian record from Yohanes Chiappinelli 2.05.24!😊
Excellent, thanks
Sub 3hr finishers were probably the highest for any event. 5089 if I remember correctly. I did a 3:05.23 and was in 6280th or something similar. 1200 places for just over 5 mins.
bro you need add the fact that Indonesian runner broke the NR in this Valencia Marathon after 27th years not broken (Current NR 2:17)
My first sub-3 marathon along with 5200 others, what an incredible race!
Rest in peace Kelvin Kiptum.
Wow! What a race!
2023 was so far faster due to Kelvin Kiptum.
True, he was an anomaly, if you wish. TRP should see what 2023's top 10 average times are without Kiptum's London 2.01 and Chicago 2.00 included (a bit unfair but we have to take him not running this year - for obvious reasons, RIP - in to account).
RIP Kiptum you will forever be the goat
its getting closer, eventually someone will do an official sub 2 hour marathon, but might be in a few years, not right away,
Clickbait much?
Really hope history doesn't repeat itself...
You are certainly a dark soul 🌚💀
Sure, I think the potential of most runners has been tapped out through those shoes. It’s hard to say if there will be better technology that is legal. But I will say it’s gonna take another athlete outstanding athlete, Usain Bolt, Michael Phelps, Calvin Kiptum Roy Jones Junior Floyd Mayweather George Foreman re-winning the world title and his 40s
Sawe looked fresh at the end, he could smash 2h
Adam wood carried
I'm hoping that you are working on a Valencia 2024 women's video as well.
Sawe is the future Kiptum!
Kenya protect this one
I believe his name is Sabastian. Not Sebastian.
Super shoes with carbon inserts are simply doping so no shock on marathon times getting faster. Lets move on, whats next to increase shoe sales.
Yr vids are also 'incredible'.
I had no interest in track n field, and am now addicted to TRP.
🎉❤😅
The doping is outta control
I can run sub 2 on my marathon debut
Rip kiptum
I did 6x1km at 4:05 min/km and 4x800m at 3:45 min/KM today and was dying. These folks run sub 3:00 min/km over 42km. mind blowing.
Sawe run the perfect marathon
i don't think we've yet to see overall effect of super shoes. Looking at the athletes,most of them still train on regulars. They just switch to super shoes on races. When prices get affordable for most of the people, whole pack will start to get faster and this will lead out to push borders furthermore. Loving the competition in here. On,Nike,Adidas,Asics,Brooks exc all trying to innovate. Sub 2 in 2025. Why not 🎉
Experts clearly recommended NOT to train in those shoes.
top athletes train in them all the time except easy runs
@@MontyB97 how do you know? And even if true, it doesn't mean it's a good idea.
Jacob ingebrigtsen
Will run 1hour 49 mins 56secs in 2033
Dude fell apart after 10k recently. 😅
It's not super shoes it's doping 😂 combined with lactate testing during training
You make a lot of sense
How about you dope and wear super shoes, let's see if you'll get close to what he did.
What an ignorant comment.
@@Krissie_zg what you just commented is like saying, "why don't you take steroids and become Mr Olympia or World's Strongest Man", it's too simple minded. You still need the hard work, the genetics to be world class, the proper coach and training, etc.
Anyone with a logical brain knows that doping is not the only reason world class athletes are so good. It's a combination of many routines but drugs getting better also leads to better athletes.
@@lewisgreenhalgh7546 it's ignorant to be oblivious to the fact that drugs play a role in every sport where money is on the line. Cycling had a massive doping problem back in the 90s and early 2000s where the majority of the peloton was doping. Even to this day many pro cyclists are doping and getting smarter about hiding it. Kenya even set up an anti-doping center recently and Kenyan runners are still dodging them.
😮😮😮
1:57 is the immovable target. To me, to me, nothing counts until the 1:57 mark is reached.
Again everything under the calculated lowest bounds in any event is only a personal record.
Now, every runner knows of the 1:57 mark. Every runner knows that the first runner to reach that mark will be a true immortal.
I do not have a million dollars but any one who has a million dollars needs to set that as the prize for the first 1:57 runner.
Additionally, stop fucking around. Put your money down in Vegas and tell us who you got. Who you got that will run the 1:57? When will they run the 1:57.
Vagas needs to set up a sports book at the 1:57 mark.
Why? First Drama. Second suspense. And third since sports betting is now legal it puts asses in seats and causes people to watch screens large and small.
I will try to find out who will take the 1:57 bet.
But for right now I want to see a list of the ten people most likely to reach 1:57.
If both men and women are not in your 10 most likely runners you are fooling yourself.
The expectation that any human can run a 1:57 is what will turn athletics into pure drama and adrenaline.
On the speed side I think 9:50 is the lowest possible limit. The same million dollars for the Marathon needs to be given to any person who reaches down to 9:50.
Who can run a 9:50?. When will it be run? And what is the beating line and odds.
(I do not personally wager or gamble. If you do and you think you cannot control the urge to place a bet please contact Gambler's Anonymous. Michael Jordan has a gambling problem as did Charles Barkley. Both men sought treatment. They are now responsible gamblers if they still gamble at all.)
Hate it or love it Mr. Strawberry gambling in sport is now the straw that stirs the drink.
Give us your list Nostradamus.
"someone who has never run this distance" - as if Sawe had never ever run this distance in training 😎
welcome to jumpshoe era...
Why you keep changing the name of your titles? I get confused if I watched it or not. This has happened numerous times
I just love the pool of talent that we Kenyans, poses. One dies or gets banned, another star rises. The haters can say whatever they want to but we Keep on disappointing them day after day.
I swear Sebastian Sawe is probably gonna disappear in a few years.
Majority of the time when someone runs one of the fastest marathon times in their debut they usually don’t do much after that since they’ve probably already hit their peak and burnt out
And in 5 years you’ll make a video about how he was cheating.
Mother fucker go and fuck yourself he doesn't cheat