South Africa needs educated - gracious and talented people like you prof. I Take my hat off tou sir. Thank you for instilling hope in our beautifil country and its people.
We the black middle class voted DA for jobs to be created by white people. For 30 years, with our education and majority we failed to create jobs for our people. We're clapping for DA 'cause we'll be flocking white established businesses and institutions with our CVs looking for class and fake status. The poor are not as euphoric, they are working the land and keeping livestock in the their villages to feed themselves. At least they understand the significance of ownership even at a smaller scale. Spaza shops make billions which leaves SA but we don't see that as an economy. We have abondoned mines, farms, factories and buildings but we're making nothing out of it. Our excitement about DA is a reflection of our failure as the people, not unity. Count me out!
You are correct in that we as Black South Africans have lost confidence in ourselves such that we believe in other races to help us out of the mess created by the ANC through greed, cadre deployment that has ruined our country. Having achieved nothing for 30 years but gone backward as result of corruption and patronage. It's about time that all the intellectuals of this country stand up and save our country from the myopic view of the anc. How can the anc claim to be leaders of society when millions of South Africans are living below poverty line? What were they doing in the past 30 years? Were they not seeing unemployment rising? All what has been happening is shameful to those who claim to be leaders in this country.
You cannot be counted out instead all the educated South Africans must stand up and do something because politicians have lost direction through greed , corruption. This gnu is bound to collapse very soon because of the arrogance of the anc. These other political parties will soon realize their mistakes instead of joining their votes and remove those who failed to govern for the good their people.
So only white men are capable of cresting jobs for black SA?! Lol. You people are truly lost if thats the case - may as well petition to have apartheid reinstalled.
Because you had been socialised to believe that White skin is more knowledgeable than a black skin. You undermine your own people you run for whiteness. What a shame.
What gives me comfort are the intimations of the ANC secretary general. That they will not loose their identity. The geopolitical global power dynamics are changing in favour of the South vis a vis the north. Unfortunately regardless of calls for realignment to effect change, the architecture of global economic and political interactions is undergoing an immense metamorphosis. The ANC needs to look at this solidly
I feel an uncertainty regarding DA's attitude to BRICS, Multipolar world and Ukraine. They believe in rule based words. Are they pro Israel? It would be terrible if 21 percent were to rule over the vast majority.
EFF has never been in a coalition with the DA, it gave up it's votes go watch back your History. Voting with doesn't mean Coalition. I am not EFF but get your facts right, Malema has just explained this recently in a press conference
They are misleading us saying it’s difference of personalities. The problem is in the policies. We are in a rich country where the majority remain poor and oppressed by the rich and their proxies.
His book "Biko" is so impactful - one of the best SA struggle books out there. He is a brilliant man. He sees past the alarmist noise some people are making because he knows SA has strong institutions and a solid democracy with one of the best constitutions in the world. He works at George Washington Uni in Washington DC, a very prestigious position, especially for a South African, he knows his stuff.
I am not too sure about solid institutions. Solid democracy et all as mentioned when the very country is imbued with inequality. And, no one said he is stupid by the way. As I said, I thought he was a Tower.
Landsberg is so anti West. He likes to live in the past and seems to struggle to accept the outcome of the elections. DA is the most diverse party in SA. Incorrect of Landsberg to say ANC and DA don't also represent the poor. Education of the public will bring intellectual discussions into politics as voters accept or reject these ideas. Prof Mangcu is spot on with all he said.
Why is this so called professor is insisting on saying this coalition of different ideology is good for SA. Then why is the anc and da don't come out and say how this coalition going to work, why are they discreet 😮
A single common ideology under anc failed South Africans for 30 years. The 2 contrasting ideologies anchored on sharing a single most fundamental mandade, e.i, taking the country forward will work. DA and ANC is a better option for SA not for a certain groupings. Those differences on pragmatic national and international agenda will yield unexpectedly positive results, again this transitional process should not end in this term, till we have GNU that is none partison
I agree with prof. Mangcu that SA has lost a lot of intellectuals. Zuma dumbed down the nation. Loyalty is very important in politics but Zuma focus solely on that and ignored education and intelligence. I would claim that he preferred stupid but very loyal people.
You can hear the difference of a prof who has been away from South Africans lived reality for 10 years and one who is still in the country navigating our class/racial reality
Chris seems to ignore the multitude of Black voters who did vote for the DA. Characterising the political parties in the starkly divided terms from 30 years ago also ignores the shifts over 3 decades. The ANC clearly doesn't represent the working class... Evidenced in its decidedly anti-workerist policies as government
@@skhanyisozulu651 if I accuse you of something and fail to present evidence that I've repeatedly said I had when it's time to present ,I have just spoken shit
Well they are. I'm not a supporter of the ANC nor of the DA but together I believe South Africa can be saved. Majority of times Black Africa leaders forget their people and on the other hand the White people know we need to serve the people. Like a Zimbabwean once said to me; " my people treat us worse than the White people ".
The problem is that the multi party charter failed to stick to its agreement instead they feared the dominant voices of the EFF and MKP. These two parties are not in a position to dominate anyone currently. The project was to depose the anc but the project failed because of ideological differences. Pride of political leaders is the hindrance to their goals. Right now this gnu is nonsensical because the very same things that they don't like has happened so blacks who are unemployed are still going to suffer because of this arrangement that is directionless. It looks like the whole thing is about positions and nothing else.
To deal with this huge unemployment is going to take more than five years. So where will the current crop of graduates going to find employment as things stand? Why are we relying on foreign investment largely instead of showing those foreign investors that we believe in ourselves as South Africans and start by grooming our own entrepreneurs through state funding? It's clear that Western opulence has destroyed our visions and goals and we are now too individualistic we care less about the next person
@@paulisidore6639 That was the biggest mistake of the ANC relying on 8% for employment instead of promoting small and medium enterprises.This is a very difficult task the whole of Africa is here with cheap labour no union no fuss and less stress for employers.
During the Chinese revolution, Chinese leaders realised their mistakes and changed their approach quickly and look where they are now. So in our case we are so fearful to start anything on our own. Where are we going right now? Indirectly the anc wants to share the blame of failure with those who agreed to this arrangement. I thought the DA is smart but they have proved me wrong. The failures of this gnu are going to haunt them all as they agreed to collaborate with the failures of the anc. One example is the unfinished business of the Zondo Commission, phalaphala and other corruption that is going to be unearthed very soon. Or these parties want to deal with the ANC from within and push them out of power from the inside.
maybe the 9hala 9hala was anglo saxon bribe, but this alliance shows you who the anc are, the African mirror of the Boule ( sigma 9i 9hi. i need to see the chatham house or council on Foreign Relations talks which lead us to were we are. But whe Kelloggs ( ramarama > was the first 9resident to see King Charles you knew were Britain was taking this this. I am an encycloedia on British dil9omacy, this is how they move.
People must stop behaving as children and being soar lossers, do you really have the country and its citizens in your heart and do you really want to see this country grow , I wonder because many want to support those that don't agree with our democracy and our constitution, there has never been anything wrong with the constitution but corrupt people who have driven a wrong narrative. It's time to build our country.
It was corrupt people who sat down a drew a constitution which would protect them and their stolen property, if our constitution is so great why don't other countries adopt it, the truth is 94 black people only got political power to vote and nothing else and until that is rectify a lot will go wrong in this country. How do we still have 17-year-old racists with our history, and you want us to sing khumba ya ma lord like everything is peachy.Perhaps you should stop taking the poor majority peaceful people of this country as children.
Being a professor does not give one the right to talk alloquent nonsense.As is a rose by any other name still a rose so is nonsense still nonsense whether spoken by an idiot or a professor.
South Africa needs educated - gracious and talented people like you prof. I Take my hat off tou sir. Thank you for instilling hope in our beautifil country and its people.
Anc/DA better than MK OR EFF with the ANC . NOW we have a future👌
Before Elections youve hated ANC with all the fibres in your body, Now you gonna come and say ANC & DA blu blu blu Futsek!!!
Let's hope
What future?
People are suffering out there.
Let's hope 🤞 but I for sure also fear ANC EFF or ANC MK 😜😂🤣
I agree with you 💯 👍
What happened to your FALSE stance FOR Israel ????
Now you all of a sudden jump in bed with the devil !!
Explain that to us !!!
This prof needs to be in government! Speaks absolute sense. Lets build a united South Africa and move forward together!
It’s not dominant of power but constitutional laws
Both for the people who voted for us and ALL SOUTH AFRICANS.
We the black middle class voted DA for jobs to be created by white people. For 30 years, with our education and majority we failed to create jobs for our people. We're clapping for DA 'cause we'll be flocking white established businesses and institutions with our CVs looking for class and fake status. The poor are not as euphoric, they are working the land and keeping livestock in the their villages to feed themselves. At least they understand the significance of ownership even at a smaller scale. Spaza shops make billions which leaves SA but we don't see that as an economy. We have abondoned mines, farms, factories and buildings but we're making nothing out of it. Our excitement about DA is a reflection of our failure as the people, not unity. Count me out!
You are correct in that we as Black South Africans have lost confidence in ourselves such that we believe in other races to help us out of the mess created by the ANC through greed, cadre deployment that has ruined our country. Having achieved nothing for 30 years but gone backward as result of corruption and patronage. It's about time that all the intellectuals of this country stand up and save our country from the myopic view of the anc. How can the anc claim to be leaders of society when millions of South Africans are living below poverty line? What were they doing in the past 30 years? Were they not seeing unemployment rising? All what has been happening is shameful to those who claim to be leaders in this country.
You cannot be counted out instead all the educated South Africans must stand up and do something because politicians have lost direction through greed , corruption. This gnu is bound to collapse very soon because of the arrogance of the anc. These other political parties will soon realize their mistakes instead of joining their votes and remove those who failed to govern for the good their people.
So only white men are capable of cresting jobs for black SA?! Lol. You people are truly lost if thats the case - may as well petition to have apartheid reinstalled.
Because you had been socialised to believe that White skin is more knowledgeable than a black skin. You undermine your own people you run for whiteness. What a shame.
if this works, we will be flying
Uthengiwe lo professor.
george washington is a jesuit college,
What gives me comfort are the intimations of the ANC secretary general. That they will not loose their identity. The geopolitical global power dynamics are changing in favour of the South vis a vis the north. Unfortunately regardless of calls for realignment to effect change, the architecture of global economic and political interactions is undergoing an immense metamorphosis. The ANC needs to look at this solidly
I feel an uncertainty regarding DA's attitude to BRICS, Multipolar world and Ukraine. They believe in rule based words. Are they pro Israel? It would be terrible if 21 percent were to rule over the vast majority.
I still say there's a contradiction from most parties for an example the EFF had a collision twice with the DA against the ANC and nobody objected.
People are biased by nature, if you saw 2 black guys and 2 white guys and you have to ask either, you'd choose your race over the other
EFF has never been in a coalition with the DA, it gave up it's votes go watch back your History. Voting with doesn't mean Coalition. I am not EFF but get your facts right, Malema has just explained this recently in a press conference
Poor South Africans our problem isn't politicians,our problem is Middle Class in this country ,classism is a brewing problem
Uprofessor uthengiwe naye
They are misleading us saying it’s difference of personalities. The problem is in the policies. We are in a rich country where the majority remain poor and oppressed by the rich and their proxies.
I thought Prof Mangcu was a Tower. Reading from his book about Stephen Biko. I did not think he will commend DA as he does.
His book "Biko" is so impactful - one of the best SA struggle books out there. He is a brilliant man. He sees past the alarmist noise some people are making because he knows SA has strong institutions and a solid democracy with one of the best constitutions in the world. He works at George Washington Uni in Washington DC, a very prestigious position, especially for a South African, he knows his stuff.
He saw how many in Gauteng voted for the DA... 😊
selling out is a whole industry
Whites are feeding him in USA@@cxzact9204
I am not too sure about solid institutions. Solid democracy et all as mentioned when the very country is imbued with inequality. And, no one said he is stupid by the way. As I said, I thought he was a Tower.
@Conner Jouebert You are very right
It has been a minute indeed since we heard from Prof Xolela, a former HSRC colleague.
Does the anc represent poor people? Jesus steve are you that far gone?
Landsberg is so anti West. He likes to live in the past and seems to struggle to accept the outcome of the elections. DA is the most diverse party in SA. Incorrect of Landsberg to say ANC and DA don't also represent the poor.
Education of the public will bring intellectual discussions into politics as voters accept or reject these ideas.
Prof Mangcu is spot on with all he said.
Why is this so called professor is insisting on saying this coalition of different ideology is good for SA.
Then why is the anc and da don't come out and say how this coalition going to work, why are they discreet 😮
A single common ideology under anc failed South Africans for 30 years. The 2 contrasting ideologies anchored on sharing a single most fundamental mandade, e.i, taking the country forward will work. DA and ANC is a better option for SA not for a certain groupings. Those differences on pragmatic national and international agenda will yield unexpectedly positive results, again this transitional process should not end in this term, till we have GNU that is none partison
This time for South Africa end of quota system in sports da
Clever blacks will regret
Cyril is spineless...so the DA must take the lead in governing .
I agree 💯 watch the space 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
cyril is a lant by the mining houses,
The problem we're facing as a country is the clever blacks. The less said about Steven, the better.
I agree with prof. Mangcu that SA has lost a lot of intellectuals. Zuma dumbed down the nation. Loyalty is very important in politics but Zuma focus solely on that and ignored education and intelligence. I would claim that he preferred stupid but very loyal people.
You can hear the difference of a prof who has been away from South Africans lived reality for 10 years and one who is still in the country navigating our class/racial reality
The only thing that happened is the ANC splitted into three, beyond that little changed!
So they think they can quell the contradictions in SA. Ok Good luck they just kicking the can down the road sooner or later this has to be addressed.
Chris seems to ignore the multitude of Black voters who did vote for the DA. Characterising the political parties in the starkly divided terms from 30 years ago also ignores the shifts over 3 decades. The ANC clearly doesn't represent the working class... Evidenced in its decidedly anti-workerist policies as government
The people did not ask for a gnu. What a big scam
no one is buying the 9rofessor
Please rewind his speech.
It's going to be very interesting how the new government handles the Gaza Genocide issue.
This shows that Black people mistrust each such that we cannot govern on our own irrespective of our differences.
The Titanic has sunk, this is a new modern ship.
I find this strange. MK attended all provinces .Why.?
MK stayed away. I am surprised they did. They should've represented the people who voted for them.
Lainsburg ,is still living in the bush 😮
Mk spokes person just publicly talks shit
I wonder how much MK received for selling our votes?
What is wrong about what he said,?🤔
@@skhanyisozulu651 if I accuse you of something and fail to present evidence that I've repeatedly said I had when it's time to present ,I have just spoken shit
You all said you don't want ANC in goverment what is the problem now.
Well they are. I'm not a supporter of the ANC nor of the DA but together I believe South Africa can be saved.
Majority of times Black Africa leaders forget their people and on the other hand the White people know we need to serve the people.
Like a Zimbabwean once said to me; " my people treat us worse than the White people ".
The problem is that the multi party charter failed to stick to its agreement instead they feared the dominant voices of the EFF and MKP. These two parties are not in a position to dominate anyone currently. The project was to depose the anc but the project failed because of ideological differences. Pride of political leaders is the hindrance to their goals. Right now this gnu is nonsensical because the very same things that they don't like has happened so blacks who are unemployed are still going to suffer because of this arrangement that is directionless. It looks like the whole thing is about positions and nothing else.
To deal with this huge unemployment is going to take more than five years. So where will the current crop of graduates going to find employment as things stand? Why are we relying on foreign investment largely instead of showing those foreign investors that we believe in ourselves as South Africans and start by grooming our own entrepreneurs through state funding? It's clear that Western opulence has destroyed our visions and goals and we are now too individualistic we care less about the next person
@@paulisidore6639 That was the biggest mistake of the ANC relying on 8% for employment instead of promoting small and medium enterprises.This is a very difficult task the whole of Africa is here with cheap labour no union no fuss and less stress for employers.
During the Chinese revolution, Chinese leaders realised their mistakes and changed their approach quickly and look where they are now. So in our case we are so fearful to start anything on our own. Where are we going right now? Indirectly the anc wants to share the blame of failure with those who agreed to this arrangement. I thought the DA is smart but they have proved me wrong. The failures of this gnu are going to haunt them all as they agreed to collaborate with the failures of the anc. One example is the unfinished business of the Zondo Commission, phalaphala and other corruption that is going to be unearthed very soon. Or these parties want to deal with the ANC from within and push them out of power from the inside.
Anchor isalso not listening to the speech. Please rewind the speech
Oppression and Apartheid comes in many different colors as long as the Indigenous people are Marginalized then it's working for some
Those were the top 2 parties. So haters must deal with it😂
All these parties that are against the ANC are fighting a losing battle,they should go back and do their homework properly
I REALLY do not enjoy listening to the professor guy in studio. I try, but Hayi, he is not the one for me
ANC is a complete sellout
So is the DA !!!
what about EFF and DA coalition in municipalities to oust the ANC
@@unathimichaelmxaku8105 What about it??? We waiting...?
They are who they are. DA?? i guess not much future for an average black south african. Abelungu abashinji-never, that's why they run the world.
the anc was started by the british not south Africans, it was a hegelian dialectic to a9artheid, to lead us back in Beritish hands,
Middle class echo chamber and nonsense!
maybe the 9hala 9hala was anglo saxon bribe, but this alliance shows you who the anc are, the African mirror of the Boule ( sigma 9i 9hi.
i need to see the chatham house or council on Foreign Relations talks which lead us to were we are.
But whe Kelloggs ( ramarama > was the first 9resident to see King Charles you knew were Britain was taking this this.
I am an encycloedia on British dil9omacy, this is how they move.
People must stop behaving as children and being soar lossers, do you really have the country and its citizens in your heart and do you really want to see this country grow , I wonder because many want to support those that don't agree with our democracy and our constitution, there has never been anything wrong with the constitution but corrupt people who have driven a wrong narrative. It's time to build our country.
It was corrupt people who sat down a drew a constitution which would protect them and their stolen property, if our constitution is so great why don't other countries adopt it, the truth is 94 black people only got political power to vote and nothing else and until that is rectify a lot will go wrong in this country. How do we still have 17-year-old racists with our history, and you want us to sing khumba ya ma lord like everything is peachy.Perhaps you should stop taking the poor majority peaceful people of this country as children.
It's a Micky mouse Freedom
Landsberg is missing the point i n his analysis.
Dull analyst
Clever blacks ⚫️
Being a professor does not give one the right to talk alloquent nonsense.As is a rose by any other name still a rose so is nonsense still nonsense whether spoken by an idiot or a professor.
Look look its not helping SA its still you're pocket
Lets give us South Africans a chance. To be honest no one knows whats going to happen. Please your analysis is misleading.
This Mangcu...haybo...for real???
Stephen needs a real gentlemen's intellectual podcast
And it was a majoritarian error😂
Landsberg kust go for gastric sleeve to lose weight.
Z😊,
Elegal government
Z😊,
Z😊,
Z😊,