Dev Diary 3 - Player Roles
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 10 ธ.ค. 2012
- Work-in-progress footage of live multiplayer gameplay in Elite: Dangerous showing a convoy escort battle, and discussion of the various roles players can take. Come and join us on Kickstarter to help fund what will be a great game! www.kickstarter.com/projects/1...
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2020, and mining lets you make a billion in a matter of hours...
2021, and theyve nerfed mining and buffed everything else. They've finally lived up to their promise.
@2:30 this the most funny meme of 2020 4 sure!
c'mon Fdev try and balance it some ..
also fix carriers before launch plz , the beta results are .., so boring i dont even log on yet....
Ahh the good old days of pure motivation and ideals...
I remember Frontier on the Amiga - can't wait to play this!
Looks like I'm going to go search for a joystick, something I have never done before. I am on the verge of getting involved! My credit card is concerned though! The procedural world has me really excited. I think procedurally generated game worlds will be common place in the future. Keep up the great work guys.
I've been waiting for this ever since I jumped my Thargoid warship out as far I could and parked in orbit around some moon. Played Elite on the BBC B on release and gave my pledge to Frontier. Glad to see this finally move from vapourware to reality. Good luck Dave - do us proud!
A lot of respect and admiration for the creativity in David Braben ( a fellow Notts guy) and the rest of team. One cannot even imagine my childhood without all the hours and dare I say dreams spent on the original. This was the first game that people made urban legends about. Just a note: Even now, all these years since the original Acorn version, people where I am in Kazakhstan, know about Elite. The influence just goes on and on.Am glad to pledge and can’t wait to play the beta.
Just pledged and cant wait! Keep up the good work FrontierDevelopments!
Cannot wait for this game. Looks great
Working on clawing my way to Triple Elite, and I found someone on the forums whose signature led to a very specific quote around 2:40 so...yeah, mining...let's NOT incentivize that so hardcore.
"Carrying Princess Lucky to some Opening Ceremony"...In the few months of recent yore that I was in your galaxy, that is THE ONE THING I WISH were in the game that I have NOT found to be there! Or MAYBE I didn't pay attention to the Passenger Lounge portion...could be on me, there.
I know, I'm 8 years too late. AH, if only I had a TIME MACHINE!
"Ensure that no one role is a massive generator of cash"
Yet they did exactly that with trading, no risk, no effort, yet much more profitable than everything else.
Convoy escort missions would be so cool, I hope Frontier has these ideas still in mind. :) Although it is true that this stuff indeed happens with players.
Going to pledge end of this month! Count me in!
Awesome, I really hope it will reach its kickstarter goal, good luck Frontier Developmnets!
Really hoping this hits it's goal. This is probably the most long awaited sequel in gaming history. It should be storming past it's kickstarter goal.
I used to play elite on a Commodore 128 and would play it,breath it and live from morning to midnight. I want to thank you david for the key you gave me to spark my inner imagination with such a basic premis of this game. I look forward to being able to play this game online and going past Dangerous.
Fantastic early demo - just what we all wanted to see.
I'm certain this game will be worth of the name ELITE.
Thank you very much for the info.
Impressive, especially the speed. If the game runs this smoothly in MP mode it'll be one heck of a ride.
Great to see this game coming on. I have already pledged £20. Fingers crossed you will reach the kickstarter goal!
that looks awesome!
@Reechforthesky of course there will be scanner. Game doesn't have showable HUD yet, but it's there.
For more information see second question in FAQ at the Kickstarter ED project site.
Pure Newtonian will kill gameplay. However, they say they will test and calibrate very carefully, so challenge will be still there, but learning curve won't be so steep.
Aged like fine wine
Can't wait for this. For guys of my generation Elite was the first experience of a truly immersive and obsessive game. Many a long boring Sunday was spent loading up the game on audio tape onto my ZXSpectrum and battered the rubber keys blowing away Pythons with cargoholds filled with goodies.
One thing would make this release complete for me: Robert Holdstock writing a sequel to the Dark Wheel. I always wanted to know what happened to Alex and Elyssia.
I'm more excited about this than any other game, period!
Looks fantastic indeed.
I do wonder what the HUD will be like though - I often have a hard time orintating myself in space games. Maybe some subtle AR lattice from the ships computer would help me.
Still, this game is certainly one of my most wanted.
Looking good so far!
Please give us planetary landing footage :)
This is shaping up great, backed it - join us !
Looks good - I've backed it!
I can say whole heartidly that i've lost years to the frontier games, I was infact recently play elite 2 and lost an awful lot of time to that once more. I can say with pride that i've backed and am anxiously awaiting release and the chance to play in beta :D
good work god emperor braben, you did it, no one role makes all the cash
yea, looks great!! Kind of brings back the old feeling so sorts from the "Elite" days... except this is the now of it!!! Good going guys :)
This did not age well at all.
Looks ace!
I was doubtful about this game because of Star Citizen already offering plenty but this video just brought faith in this project back. Looks amazing and it seems it is going to be a lot more sophisticated than Frontier.
Thank you David Braben.
I just hope there will be devoted team who is going to upragde the game and introduce new options on continous basis after the release.
cant wait for it :) Elite Frontier was the best space sim.
This looks really great and shows how much fun and mischief you'll be able to get up to with your mates.
If the game looks exciting and you have made a pledge, why not help support the official novel, also being crowd funded. Check out the main Elite:Dangerous kickstarter for more information
Alpha starts in December, after three months, Beta - in January/February. Release in March.
Super nostalgia + beautiful graphics = -3
David in video says it's pre-alpha state, practically playable tech demo.
end result trading is massively profitable and the rest is unbalanced, didnt meet the ks goals heh
I think you can do absolutely everything (except maybe explorers) and make a cash for a living.
@@ondrejsaska3201 Oh, exploring's fine. It pays nicely enough and is low risk.
The problem is combat. It's very high risk and pays crap.
So I would be able to fly those bigger ships? Would I be able to command frigates and such than? That would be fun ^^
Don't forget - pledge now on Kickstarter to reserve your copy, nothing is charged till the end of the campaign in the new year - and you can always come back and increase your pledge or add options later. Pledging keeps you in the loop for updates...
just after Christmas will be my pledge
ooh, shiny :-D
Already a sponsor, looking forwards to the game, loved the originals (been a game player for some time now ;-)
This game is the space sim version of Oblivion - a wide open sand box universe to explore in which you can pick your role based on your actions. This is why both this and Star Citizen will be must have purchases. This is the sandbox game, Star Citizen is the Wing Commander, the serialized mission progression that tells a great story, in one direction. Both are complementary to each other and have different strengths. I hope we can buy both.
2:30 laugh in LTD.
Depends on the velocities involved- skidding would be a lot less pronounced at low velocities in low mass ships. That said, they've hinted that the physics will probably be closer to Elite than to Frontier, in part because the combat in Frontier was seen as too challenging (by some) and in part the sorts of week-long burns that we saw in Frontier wouldn't be practical for a multiplayer game.
How about a device to detect allies or 'escort' as in a transmitter code that can be programmed in... Allies could then have a green halo when targeting thus reducing the chance of hitting your own bodyguards.
I think biggest question is what do you gain by allowing walk around in first person - it's space simulator after all. However, it would be nice to have addon in the future just for vista's sake.
The next "Freespace"
I hope it'll be good
Star Citizen is a game set in space. Elite:Dangerous is a galaxy simulator that you can play a game in.
No need to dismiss one over the other. Different types of game. Take your pick.
But why Anacondas not accelerating? (main engines working continuously and they are not maneuvering) also you can see it when missiles explodes on anacondas hull.
....and in flock the KS lurkers. I admire your confidence. Kwaah !! Kwaah !!
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I've already pledged and I'm delighted that we've hit the target! I have a question, which I'm not sure whether I can get an answer to, but here goes...
Will we be able to use the keys to fly the ship?
I loved the instinctiveness of the S/X/N/M/A control system and I hope I'm not going to have to buy a PS3-type pad or a joystick to fly the game.
It's amazing to see how far the game has come, from this early prototype stuff to what we have now. Will be interesting to see where it goes in the future.
this reminds me of "Freelancer" by Digital Anvil
Will you implement the local area scanner as in the original so that you can see you local environment at a glance?
There is newtonian physics, but tweaked for having actual fun while playing. See ED KS FAQ for answers.
Awesome! I'm getting worried about reaching that goal. If this game will never see the light of day I'll never forgive myself. I'm going to up my pledge.
And Elite has so much more than what SC has, in other areas. You're right, we can't compare or say which is better yet, and I don't think we ever will. They'll both be great games - but very different in style, approach & game play. Aside from the black setting, it would be like comparing apples and oranges. Which is "better" will only come down to personal taste.
i hope they have propper momentum like they tried in frontier again, (with assists for those who want it), and watch a lot of 2004 BSG for reference
It is Newtonian physics. The maneuverability like in video is possible with powerful engines controlled by fly-by-wire. And maneuverability of spacecraft is limited by pilot abilities. The average person can withstand any overload up to 15G of about 3-5 seconds without blackout, but the big loads of 20-30G or more people can tolerate without blackout no more than 1-2 seconds. Not matter, in space or in air.
But it would be cool, also manually control all engines.
sorry for my english :)
While there's no official word on requirements yet, there's safe bet that anything from last two years would work, because space sims are not that resource hogs like other games.
If you want to ask directly to Frontier Developments, then use KS page FAQ section to do so (there's 'Ask question' button under section). Also mention that you want to pledge, but you would like to know details before to do so.
PvE also includes NPC pirates, which are notoriously difficult to fight in past Elite games :)
Is the flying physics closer to Elite than Frontier? It seems so sadly.
I used to love the Frontier speed indicator all the way up to 2/3rds of light speed i think >.
Yes, you can play "mass-multiplayer ", "singleplayer-online" and "singleplayer-offline"
What happened to these types of battles in-game? I want an anaconda convoy to be attacked with 29 other vipers in the instance. That would be fucking awesome if they were flying in formation!
7BeasT9, the physics wont be dumbed down but the ship's computer will take your inputs and do it's best to get the thing flying in the direction you're pointing as quick as possible. There has been some suggestion that this could be turned off by the player and if it can be then being able to switch between the two modes could make for some very interesting fights.
See answer in FAQ section. It still will be Newtonian (video is pre-alpha, you can't really make any assumptions out of it, it's purerly for testing network code), so don't get desparate.
Adam, I refer you to the official FAQ entry regarding Newtonian Physics:
"Will you have Newtonian physics in the game?"
"Yes. The degree of the fly-by-wire to override the feeling of skidding is something we will carefully tune."
Don't forget this demo is very early-days, so the flight mechanics may, and probably will, change as the development advances.
Nope, in Elite there will be very detailed ship models, when destroying parts of it you could see different models flying around. By the way, David explained this idea first on his KS. Only after that SC team thought "ohh, we can do the same".
Arcade pew pew I mean that E: D is not based on a lot of detail thats why atmospheric flight and planet landing is possible even though I dont believe there will be planet interaction on that level at release. Yeah it will be a sandbox with ships consisting of a "flying block" ship models, with one logical element for shields/hull dmg. The amount of detail in SC will be considerably higher and it will also have sand box approach. Only Squadron 42 will be campaign on rails so to speak.
heard DB talikng about retros and secondary thrust wich could make it a bit more believable. Id expect more from the flight simulation too or at least having different kind of hulls / engines that behave differently. dogfight yes, but make it interresting
Absolutely Top Donkey!
I really like both games, but star system in SC is really small, you can see it on Star Citizen - Pilot AI Work In Progress video..
This video should have been there right at the start of the KS campaign. I almost regret having cancelled my pledge. If by the end of the campaign I'm convinced that this project is actually worth my money, I'll consider to re-pledge.
I can give you several examples of dishes that mix tomatoes and potatoes with excellent results.
If this game comes out with a option for cockpit view, and a free look camera, I will be the happiest man on the planet.
DEV's if you see this, TrackIR support pretty please
touche, though I'm not old enough to remember that one
Imagine if ships were that maneuverable
I'd like to see how FD will implement beam and pulse lasers like the ones we had in Elite Frontier. Those flying bolts of light they've put in this video aren't looking very cool.
looking nicer ;)
I THINK BOTH GAMES LOOK GOOD.
You could land on planets on both Frontier Elite 2,and Frontier Elite First Encounter. But i don't know if it's possible to move in first person in Elite Dangerous. But David Braben said in a interview some years ago,that in Elite 4,you should be able to do just that. Let's just see where this goes :)
"Fly wy wire sounds very very unrealistic." It's real. For instance the F16 uses computers to make microscopic adjustments and gyros to make sure it will fly straight. This is because the airframe is designed to be aerodynamically unstable to allow for quicker turns while in the air. If the "fly by wire" system failed on an F16 in mid air the pilot would eject cause there is just no way for him to make all the small adjustments the computer would normally make.
Dear mightili, I'm older than you think, I played both WC 3 and 4 when they were released, and they are mission based phew phew - with all cutscenes and real actors. Very good games, but that's not Elite about - Elite is making your own story. And with evolving galaxy concept there will be overreaching movement in one way or another.
Lot of people have pointed out that Elite and SC can't be different than they are now - both are space sims, but both cover very different gameplay styles
Here's the deal: If it were actual fly-by-wire it would be tunable by the pilot, in every parameter, on the fly. At best they'd have to find a sensible default. "did he say they were lasers?" They cannot be anything else, unless you believe someone would make a weapon that shoots iron spikes that have been heated exactly to red hot and not a bit further. ;)
nice but...you should work out different types of flight mechanics.. obviously those fighter types are more fitted for dogfights than pounding on static targets.It would also help players adopting specific roles ( concentrating on big targets or on dogfights ) id expect to be able to strafe and orbit around those big guys keeping an eye on my target instead of doing tedious back and forths all the time or having some ships with flight behaviors like the Vipers in the Galactica series ( gliding)
They were best at the time when they were first - and only next generation of space sims came in mid nineties. However, Elite and it's sequels concepts were never fully bested - Wing Commander and others went to "combat space fight mission based" route, and only few (for example Privateer and later X) choose more open ended gameplay (like Elite).
People trusting FD about this have seen original and sequels - they were amazing. Planet landings, slingshot flying, etc.
The combat reminds me of Freespace 2....which is a good thing in my opinion!
I used to play Elite and First Encounters ( great games ) and i didnt think the npcs were that bad once you got a Imperial explorer and a plasma accelerator ;-)
And I say Chris Roberts himself said in a recent interview his game won't be as complex in terms of scale as Elite will be. And I say Braben talked about procedural terrain on ED's planets. It would make sense that you can visit them then, wouldn't it? And I'm pretty sure that of the 2 games, SC will be the more arcade pew pew thing, which is not a bad thing. But you just shouldn't be mixing potatoes with tomatoes.
Roughly how many planets will you be able to land on?
Mightili, have you even played the previous elite games? Somehow I doubt it :P
The point being that even with Red Baron being that old it is LITERALLY exactly the same thing in terms of gameplay and visuals as Star Citizen. I'll make a rough write-up tomorrow of how combat could be handled realistically, using concepts known to physics nowadays and still be fun to play. It'll have to be offsite and i'll link it in a reply to you. I watched the first video before and i don't know what you're referring to. I do have complaints about it though. (Hard-mounted guns for example)
Have the devs said anything about this matter? It might bring some interesting game mechanics if some sort of auto track cannons existed and if those cannons could be confused with proper countermeasurement systems. But they probably have missiles for that usage like in todays fighter aircraft.
Ooooh, tis lovely. Come on people... Pledge. Pledge. PLEDGE!!! I'd love this to be made. :-D
i know :) and waiting for new dev diary
I know you can land and move in first person in SC, but I didnt know you will be able to do that in Elite, can you pls link me where they say that? And yes you will make money by trade, take missions in SC. Oh and Ill probably play them both :)