Rough BO 16 Hatch 18 Gas 17 Pool Next 3 Drones to Gas @ Spawning Pool 2 x Queen 26 Overlord 30 2nd Gas in Main @2:40 - Evo + Lair + 3rd Queen @2:55 - RW Supply Block 36/36 + 2 Overlords @3:15 Missile +1 @3:25 4th Queen (Hide Queen Storing Energy) (Stop at 31 Drones > Spam Roaches) If large runbys send roaches across in groups of 5
Awesome video! It would be awesome if you could cover the +1 carapace roach ling all in, including other builds you think are not great at GM level (because most of us are not at GM level). Great job Lambo! Really loving the videos.
Here's how you counter: If you FEEL that opponent is Lambo fan and you SEE working evo and warren in wall then you must blindly start making units/spines 😊
Im a diamond NA zerg and this build is working great in my zvz's. Couldn't you do these same roach queen with creep highway all ins vs other races too?
13/12 is too meta for me to go for a 26 overlord. Everyone on KR does 13/12 or 12 pool, and so I have to play safer :( thanks for the cool build though! I'd love to use it one day
I'm the same way. Even though it gets out less drones I would far prefer the 19 overlord. If before my larvae is ready to make the 19 overlord I see lings coming across the map I know it's a 12 Pool and I skip making the overlord so that all larvae can go into lings. If the larvae comes to make the overlord and I see no lings yet I make it, if I then see lings before my next larvae is available I know that timing is a 13g12p so I won't make the 20th drone. If I just drone to 21 and my opponent's lings run around my first overlord I am dead. At least with this 19 overlord method I would have the ovi out and be at 20 drones, not 21 if they dodged my ovi and I can try to muster a defense. In saying that you can still do the build even if you ovi at 19 or 20 instead of 26, it'll be slightly weaker, but if the optimal build execution can kill a pro, I would say even a safer opening could kill a GM if done correctly (as long as they have a 3rd base). I do think Lambo overestimates lower players skills sometimes though. Many people (including myself at Master 1) outright die to ling floods when doing a 2 base roach wall-off build. He says it's the safest and maybe that's true at the pro level, but where I'm at if I don't have Banes and mass speedling shows up it's gg.
Great video, Lambo! Though I do not get how people in lower leagues don't realise that army advantage is all they need to win (in low leagues bronze - diamond). They think that they need to win in some kind of magical way... GUYS YOU JUST NEED TO SHOVE BIGGER ARMY AT THEM. Just doing this will get you to 4K MMR... Good injecting and spending! At 3K you lost not because your opponent outsmarted you by making 5 spines. It's because you have 70 SUPPLY when you are supposed to have 150/150 !!!!! People reach Platinum or Diamond and think that their macro is good - NO IT'S TERRIBLE !! Even my macro is terrible and I'm Masters EU player.
Hi! I have a question about evo chambers in every match up. What makes you decide between going for one evo or for two? Beside an all in from the opponent, it depends on the early game you had, if you have lost too many drones, or what is the reasoning
It mostly depends on how usefull they are and how much you can afford. So usually vs protoss you will go single evo and then add a second one later on if you want to play a longer game, vs Terran you will go double evo every single time and against zerg you always go 1 evo and then add a 2nd evo for 2-1 to finish up at the same time in roach vs roach.
Hi Lambo, very nice tutorial. I have 2 comments: 1) Some of the scenarios I think are based on the very high mmr assumptions e.g. the assumption of a wall if the opponent is going 3 base while he knows I'm going 2 base, that is something that will not be as common in bronze-mid master I think. What do you think would be the play if there is no wall to kill, just spines? 2) Would it be possible to go into some more details on how to hold a ling flood? For example, do you have the possibility to scout if the opponent is hiding lings or fake trasfers? In general I am wondering about the time 10-15 seconds before the roach warren is finishing, that's when the only army available is 3 queens. What do you think would be the appropriate response in those scenarios? I'm also asking about them, because it's more common in lower leagues :) Thank you for nice content
1. That's why i mentioned it in the video iirc, if there is no wall you can simply go in and straight up kill him more often than not especially on lower levels, the wall is what prevents you from running in spines alone are not that great. 2. I also do believe i talked about that because i am well aware that this is a thing in lower leagues. You don't need to scout anything (and you can't as i showed in this video I make 0 zerglings), you can simply make a wall once you see the zerglings move out and that should be an automatic win for you. Depending on how commited it is you can finish the wall or put a secondary wall behind the initial one, but in general any sort of ling/lingbane all ins are more or less a freewin with this type of opener.
Can you talk a little bit about why you go 26 overlord in ZvZ? I've always thought you play 19 or 20 overlord because you want to make 6 lings @pool to have some sort of map presence or something. For context, I'm a 3.6k Zerg on NA.
All you need to do in earlygame ZvZ is to check your opponents wall and sometimes spot for a 3rd attack path on some maps that your overlord doesn't cover, you definetely don't need more than 2 Zerglings for that. You can make more reactively if your opponent makes more to pressure your third base, but that means u have the extra drones earlier, so you will always go for the overlord at 26 and only 1 pair of lings usually.
Can you eleborate what you mean by this? We watched my opponent die with minimal worker count advantages in both games which goes to show how many units you power out early on with this, how come you think that you don't have the units with this build?
Can you put all of the free mmr Friday videos in a playlist? Would be super helpful to find these videos easier!
Finally pros discovered the power of getting supply blocked at 36. I do that all the time with every build. Plat > GM confirmed
Rough BO
16 Hatch
18 Gas
17 Pool
Next 3 Drones to Gas
@ Spawning Pool 2 x Queen
26 Overlord
30 2nd Gas in Main
@2:40 - Evo + Lair + 3rd Queen
@2:55 - RW
Supply Block 36/36 + 2 Overlords
@3:15 Missile +1
@3:25 4th Queen (Hide Queen Storing Energy)
(Stop at 31 Drones > Spam Roaches)
If large runbys send roaches across in groups of 5
Thank you for the contribution!
Awesome video! It would be awesome if you could cover the +1 carapace roach ling all in, including other builds you think are not great at GM level (because most of us are not at GM level). Great job Lambo! Really loving the videos.
thank you! i will now be a master of german transportation!
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Can u also show how to hold this build?
Its impossible to hold!
It wouldnt be free mmr if you could hold it
Here's how you counter:
If you FEEL that opponent is Lambo fan and you SEE working evo and warren in wall then you must blindly start making units/spines 😊
@@someguy7474 just go for a 40 drones roach allin yourself and you're fine :P
I don’t want this to happen to me, so should I do this to my neighbor?
They will talk about this at DH: Last Chance, won't they? :D
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Im a diamond NA zerg and this build is working great in my zvz's. Couldn't you do these same roach queen with creep highway all ins vs other races too?
Shout out; sortof TH-cam is amazing
holy crap that's an amazing thumbnail lmao
13/12 is too meta for me to go for a 26 overlord. Everyone on KR does 13/12 or 12 pool, and so I have to play safer :( thanks for the cool build though! I'd love to use it one day
I'm the same way. Even though it gets out less drones I would far prefer the 19 overlord. If before my larvae is ready to make the 19 overlord I see lings coming across the map I know it's a 12 Pool and I skip making the overlord so that all larvae can go into lings. If the larvae comes to make the overlord and I see no lings yet I make it, if I then see lings before my next larvae is available I know that timing is a 13g12p so I won't make the 20th drone. If I just drone to 21 and my opponent's lings run around my first overlord I am dead. At least with this 19 overlord method I would have the ovi out and be at 20 drones, not 21 if they dodged my ovi and I can try to muster a defense.
In saying that you can still do the build even if you ovi at 19 or 20 instead of 26, it'll be slightly weaker, but if the optimal build execution can kill a pro, I would say even a safer opening could kill a GM if done correctly (as long as they have a 3rd base).
I do think Lambo overestimates lower players skills sometimes though. Many people (including myself at Master 1) outright die to ling floods when doing a 2 base roach wall-off build. He says it's the safest and maybe that's true at the pro level, but where I'm at if I don't have Banes and mass speedling shows up it's gg.
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Great video, Lambo! Though I do not get how people in lower leagues don't realise that army advantage is all they need to win (in low leagues bronze - diamond). They think that they need to win in some kind of magical way... GUYS YOU JUST NEED TO SHOVE BIGGER ARMY AT THEM. Just doing this will get you to 4K MMR... Good injecting and spending! At 3K you lost not because your opponent outsmarted you by making 5 spines. It's because you have 70 SUPPLY when you are supposed to have 150/150 !!!!! People reach Platinum or Diamond and think that their macro is good - NO IT'S TERRIBLE !! Even my macro is terrible and I'm Masters EU player.
A great build! But Lambo, how do you defend here against 12 Pool Ling flood/12 Pool Ling Bane?
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Hi! I have a question about evo chambers in every match up. What makes you decide between going for one evo or for two? Beside an all in from the opponent, it depends on the early game you had, if you have lost too many drones, or what is the reasoning
It mostly depends on how usefull they are and how much you can afford. So usually vs protoss you will go single evo and then add a second one later on if you want to play a longer game, vs Terran you will go double evo every single time and against zerg you always go 1 evo and then add a 2nd evo for 2-1 to finish up at the same time in roach vs roach.
@@LamboSC2 Aaah I see, thank you very much for the help, have a nice day!!
Hi Lambo, very nice tutorial. I have 2 comments:
1) Some of the scenarios I think are based on the very high mmr assumptions e.g. the assumption of a wall if the opponent is going 3 base while he knows I'm going 2 base, that is something that will not be as common in bronze-mid master I think. What do you think would be the play if there is no wall to kill, just spines?
2) Would it be possible to go into some more details on how to hold a ling flood? For example, do you have the possibility to scout if the opponent is hiding lings or fake trasfers? In general I am wondering about the time 10-15 seconds before the roach warren is finishing, that's when the only army available is 3 queens. What do you think would be the appropriate response in those scenarios? I'm also asking about them, because it's more common in lower leagues :)
Thank you for nice content
1. That's why i mentioned it in the video iirc, if there is no wall you can simply go in and straight up kill him more often than not especially on lower levels, the wall is what prevents you from running in spines alone are not that great.
2. I also do believe i talked about that because i am well aware that this is a thing in lower leagues. You don't need to scout anything (and you can't as i showed in this video I make 0 zerglings), you can simply make a wall once you see the zerglings move out and that should be an automatic win for you. Depending on how commited it is you can finish the wall or put a secondary wall behind the initial one, but in general any sort of ling/lingbane all ins are more or less a freewin with this type of opener.
cool
nice thumbnail
Could you, in the description type what maps it's good for/bad for?
Can you talk a little bit about why you go 26 overlord in ZvZ? I've always thought you play 19 or 20 overlord because you want to make 6 lings @pool to have some sort of map presence or something. For context, I'm a 3.6k Zerg on NA.
All you need to do in earlygame ZvZ is to check your opponents wall and sometimes spot for a 3rd attack path on some maps that your overlord doesn't cover, you definetely don't need more than 2 Zerglings for that. You can make more reactively if your opponent makes more to pressure your third base, but that means u have the extra drones earlier, so you will always go for the overlord at 26 and only 1 pair of lings usually.
@@LamboSC2 Thanks for the explanation.
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I tend to find that you jusat don't have the units when you attack with this build tbh
Can you eleborate what you mean by this?
We watched my opponent die with minimal worker count advantages in both games which goes to show how many units you power out early on with this, how come you think that you don't have the units with this build?