Quick warning to 3060Ti owners with Hynix memory how to change straps
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Tony be like: i need to make the video shorter somehow, Also Tony: F#@ck it i will just double the playback speed lmao.
he even cut the "goodbye" haha
i speed all videos i understand fast talking but i speed this to 2x and was hard to understand some words i lowered it to 1.75x :)
I'm watching at 1.5x lol
you can watch at 0.75
I think he was late for work 😂
Damn, i did not know that changing a memory chip brand/model needs to be configured by moving some resistors, i thought it's in the bios config. I have learned something new today. Thanks a lot for sharing this.
I think on AMD you configure the straps in the BIOS.
the usbC port on the 2000 series card was to allow VR headsets to connect via 1 cord. It also can work as a USB-C for hubs and drives though it, allowing more versatility. (Like headphones through it if they use USB-C, etc) this was a feature choice for mainly the headsets, but also at the time a lot of the motherboards only had 1 usb C port set up on them at all.
It might be used soon for people to use the PSVR2 VR headset on PC as it uses DP over USB C to connect and only the RTX 2000 series have it apart from RX 5000 from my knowledge
@@Physuo All reference design RX6800/6800XT/6900XT/6950XT/7900XT/7900XTX also have the USB-C port with displayport (1.4a on 6k, 2.1 on 7k) routed through it. Some board partners decided to include it as well, but that's far more inconsistent
@@Physuo @Knaeckebrotsaege
I mean USB-C female to displayport adapters exist, that should do the trick without needing a gpu that has that feature.
what a happy 3060ti Hynix DDR6 memory owner that makes me !
sarcasm ?
I have a 3060ti, and you made me worry about the memory thing. Thankfully, after checking with GPU-Z, I found out I have Samsung memory, so it's all good!
Same here. I have a Zotac 3060Ti, but my memory brand is Samsung. Phew, dodged a bullet!
I have hynix :/, but I undervolted my card a few months ago and it's only 1.5yrs old. I hope my card lasts a long while
@@SkateClipsAndTipsUndervolting the GPU may not help in this situation. I'd reduce the memory frequency. That's how people were keeping their cards alive during the 20-series memory failures.
@@JJFX- Well my undervolt requires a certain memory clock to keep it stable. If it dies I will switch to AMD
@@SkateClipsAndTips Well you could be perfectly fine but it's very unlikely reducing the memory clock offset would have any affect on the stability of an undervolted GPU. It will slightly reduce power consumption but if you have a proper undervolt curve that shouldn't matter.
I just put the video on .75x, sounded some what normal but really cool to learn about straps weird. they do it backwards, would make so much more sense lol. Goes to show it's not just a simple ram swap, need experience and know how sadly I really thought it was gonna be a firmware thing not hardware.
yeap some really fast talking in this one :))
I can't say I don't speed up these kinds of videos for my own enjoyment so works for me
I watched it with 2x, but true, one point I had to slow it down to 1.5x
Strap numbering on spec sheet is completely logical from HW engineer and also math perspective. Defining a bit vector [4:0] is the indication that highest value bit (index 4) is placed left, lowest bit (index value 0) on right, also meaning "thousand" is written "normally" as 1000 not as 0001.
Great work man. Same thing is happening with the WiiU that use skhynix for the memory as well. Thanks for the video
Yes, I use my USB-C port for display on my 20-series card, you asked! Running 4k@60Hz 10-bit, super. Tiny cable in comparison to DP.
I have a 3060ti xc gaming edition from evga, it's only like 1.5yrs old, I undervolted it a few months ago and couldn't be happier
But it's DDR6 memory chips, is it still at risk eventually?
Only hynix x005
@@northwestrepair can I see what memory chips I have via gpu-z? (edit: just checked gpu-z and it says my memory chips are hynix, but I would have to open it up to see if the chips say x005. I will just assume it has those chips)
@@northwestrepair Does undervolting the card prevent memory chip failure or they will fail eventually still?
First time i saw artifact squares on memory test ,thanks for knowledge .
My Asus dual 3060ti v2 on Hunix keeps stable overclocking at +1900 megahertz from memory and passes the 8k superposition test in this mode. but I don’t use this in normal use, everything is by default. with the exception of the undervolt which is set to 0.900 at 1890 megahertz. the card is cold 60° +/-2° depending on the time of year. and yes, those who have Asus cards don’t have to worry, x005 is not seen there. there are s2c chips there. there are reports from repairmen
The usb type c port was used for vr headsets
Edit: and was handy since i used all other display ports for my monitors
You are becoming the best TH-cam fixer fast , keep the good job , ps : send regards to senpai “sense’”aka darth Vader lol.
who is senpai ?
@@northwestrepairyou
@@northwestrepair maybe tech cemetery :).
I gotta ask, what's with all the jabs at Alex? Ok, he's not the best tech repair dude, but he's not the worst either.
Yes , techcemetry , darth Vader lol
youre becoming the greatest boot licker of all time even faster good job
Ive been messing around with an evga 3060ti with hynix and i discovered the memory hates the 1.35v nvidia supplies it with. Droped to 1.27-1.25 and it works sooooo much better
Hardware modded or did you figure out a way to undervolt through software/firmware?
@@VanishingPoint96 its impossible to control with software sadly. Just put a 10kohm potentiometer between refin and vref and tie one leg of the pot off to ground. If your good at math you can just replace the resistor
..."it is true, except that it is false" 🤣
Funny and educative. Thanks and keep them coming!
I enjoy your videos far more than the ones from Northridge. Keep up the good work.
Awesome, thank you!
some of the worst management i've dealt with has been in the medical admin stuff. they can be just terrible to people. the only ones that are worse are upper level state management.
Just saying alex is good but i never seen him do work like you😂 you drimmel into the pcb and fix things is so crazy it just Amazes me the type of skill you have💪
Extremly awesome video
Thanks 👍
Ah, so you did get the crate of Red Bull i sent you for Christmas.
I Bet Tony was chugging it down like Sam Porter Bridges😂
@@leowob2aolkeep on keeping on
Thats amazing. I thought the memory brand thing would be in the BIOS of the card itself.
that's the case for AMD cards. it's so much easier to DIY VRAM upgrades on nvidia cards because of this. just need a soldering iron and the memory chips, no bios decryption/sudoku needed.
I think Tony needs a video editing assistant. He's working all day.
Awwww... I wanted to hear you say "Hello internet" I love that intro.
Is there a way to know if my Hynix memory is x005 without disassembling the card? Also if it is, would underclocking it by 100mhz help?
Need to open the card.
Under clocking might help
I have AORUS GeForce RTX™ 3060 Ti ELITE 8G and im really happy. Im been also OC it for limits but one thing i dont like about GDDR6 is that chip temp will hit so fast 100C so i used to cool them down for 80c. So far no issues at all :) i guess i winn the silicon lottery lol.
Hey!
I wanted to ask - whats your opinion on replacing 1GB gddram with 2GB gddram per chip on RTX30xx series (making 16gb total instead of 8gb)?
@northwestrepair please, respond
Makes me happy to upgrade from my Gigabyte 3060 Ti to a 3070 FE during scalping years yet again.
Great work as always
God one as always. Got me wondering if an upgrade would be better than buying a new card..
For example:
I've got a 2080 (non TI), so more memory and new bios would make it a TI...
Then again. With the number of cards, mfgs and models, viable upgrades might be too many and cost/benefit ratio might be too low.
note: upgrading Memory Capacity would not turn a 2080 into a 2080Ti. a 2080Ti has 48% more Cores than a 2080 does. and GPU's are wide compute rather than linear compute, so within the same Architecture, Cores scale linearly. a 2080Ti is about 48% faster than a 2080 is, even before considering the extra Bandwidth its wider Memory Bus has to further increase performance at higher Resolutions.
(42% if it's a 2080S rather than the original 2080)
more Memory Capacity would give you more Memory Capacity, but it will not become a faster GPU from doing so. just keeping reality in check for you.
@@taiiat0 Thank you. I was "thinking out loud" not taking everything into consideration.
this video made laugh harrrrd a loooot. thanks man
I have the same Gigabyte 3060ti card with Hynix VRAM. It had a problem a short month ago, so I sent it to a local shop for repair. The technician fixed it, but now it has a weird problem: sometimes, it crashes and the GPU fan blows at full speed. After rebooting and loading the drivers, the card crashes again with the fan running at full speed. However, it doesn't crash if I'm in safe mode or if the driver is uninstalled. Interestingly, if I leave it for a day or two, it starts working normally again, with all functions
Hola bro tengo el mismo problema, tengo una RTX 3060TI gaming x, es una edición gaming x pero lleva la bios de una ventus 2x, eso ya es sospechoso de minería!!, además la memoria original de una Gaming X es Samsung, pero mi gpu me llego con hynix asi que supongo que fue modificada antes que la compre, tengo el mismo problema con el ventilador, sd pone a unas velocidades imposiblemente veloz y luego de un rato se arregla solo 😢, parece que las gpu que tienen hynix vienen modificadas para minería
@@ifittwist9302 Si aún tienes problemas con la VRAM de la 3060 Ti, puedes intentar desactivar algunos canales de VRAM. Para la herramienta e instrucciones, no dudes en preguntar en el canal de Discord de NorthwestBridge, que él proporciona en la descripción. Terminé descartando mi 3060 Ti ya que los técnicos en mi país no pudieron solucionarlo y los costos eran demasiado altos, incluso solo por un reflow. Estoy esperando pacientemente la serie 5000.
I had a 2080 ti that would show artifacts only when the memory got hot. I had the memory plague so i returned my card and got the EVGA FTW 2080 ti it had different memory and never had an issue
Glad My Gigabyte 3060TI (LHR) has Samsung chips and not Hynix... Good video again Nortwestrepair.... your videos are far beyond my capabilities and understanding but I like watching them all the same
Hi. Cool video. I have hynix according to gpuz. Is there any way to tell if they are 005s by software? without disassembly ?
The USB-C port is great for connecting a monitor, no HDMI or Display port required.
I think you put your video at speed 1.25x when editing.
Thanks for the video !
Hello mate , i own an Asus 3060Ti Tuf OC V2 , and it uses Hynix memories , randomly i came across some posts on internet talking about 3060 ti dying if OCing the memory if it has hynix memorie chips , anyways they mostly talk about GIgabite cards with memory code 005 if im not wrong , it got me a little worried , im currently Ocing the memory to 900+ and never exp any issue with it so far after almost 2 years ~ , by any chance you know what hynix chips this model uses or if the romur is true or not etc Please answer this if u can mate , also is there a way to know if the chips on my card are the X005 or not without opening the card
hi buddy, you can sleep peacefully. I've been following this topic on repair forums for quite some time and they say that Asus avoided this. Asus installed s2c memory instead of x005, and during the long period of peak mining, Asus 3060ti were rare guests of repairmen, and then for other reasons. I myself own a 3060 Asus Dual on a Hunix (I bought it consciously) and I am absolutely calm, since it is cold under load in the undervolt and I still have 2 years of warranty left, although I myself am interested in what’s inside :)
o dear lord i hope you get whatever you want in ur life as you put my mind into ease
You teach so much more than many techs. Brilliant, & thx!
Damn. I've had my Palit 3060ti for almost 2 years now, and just launched GPUZ to see what memory I have. Yep, Hynix.
I'm too scared to open it to check if I have x005 or not. I have 1 year of warranty left, so I'm gonna leave this to luck.
It's a Schrödingers GPU, either I have x005 or not. Not gonna open to check until I get any problems
I have a 3060 ti Asus tuf, I've had it on hynix for a year or so and I haven't had any problems, I understood that those on hynix with 005x have problems, especially gigabyte and palit
9:10 I've also seen very similar artifacts in Minecraft with some shaderpacks when the memory OC on my 1070 (ASUS STRIX) was too high
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14:55 is there a typo in the pic in right corner? is says the current strap config is 01001 (strap 3 is high) but from the factory strap5,4,3 should be 0 and at 16:37 you says we need to puil strap2 low. So at 14:55 in the picture instead of "Strap 3 Is High" it should say "Strap 2 Is High"
Great go at it.
I'm a bit confused. You did the test after changing the memory/straps, and it failed, and you mentioned you just grabbed whatever memory you had sitting around, then you ran the test again, and it worked properly, then you reassembled... No changes were made between the failure and the success??
another great video - thanks - did you speed things up somehow because your speaking really fast and when you were measuring that was like- peawwww
Oh Lord ain't I lucky! I have the new Micron one. But thanks for that info!
No problem!
So basically Hynix had a bad or deliberately short-lived batch of memory?
Tony, so after you set the straps you got artifacts, how did you know it was a bad chip and not that the straps had to be the other configuration?
at 13:47, the 00110 means that 16 GB of VRAM can be installed on this card?
Yes
@@northwestrepair I assume it requires a bios update to see the whole 16GB, I mean it can't be that easy to upgrade the VRAM capacity, can it?
@@levif.1145 don't know. Never tried.
@@northwestrepair thank you for the update
@@levif.1145
from what i've seen of People doing it - yes, if you just install larger Capacity Chips and adjust Straps than Nvidia wanted the Core to use without modifying the vBIOS, the Card will run but it will be buggy.
it will basically always Crash as soon as you use more than the default Memory Capacity, and even if you do not cross the threshold into the extra Capacity it can still sometimes Crash.
The USB-C port is not useless at all on the 20xx series card, I use it for my VR Headset to charge while I use my VR Headset allowing me to use the VR Headset longer.
Haha love the jab at northridge fix.
I use my cards for compute only, abusing a 3060 12gigs right now. hope it lasts, they are crazy expensive here. I don't do BGA's, at least yet. thank you.
Thank god I sold my 3060ti for $280 when it was new and bought my RX 6950XT 16gb (after upgrading from 3090)
Is this fast forwarded or am I just tripping
it is. i didnt want to make it too long.
@@northwestrepair A simple trick is to use voiceover. Any message to get across can happen during a repair (like the narrative at 9:00 which could be done over the clip at 10:00).
Hi i noticed in the background what magnification use on the headband magnification jewellers , on what focal distance of the lense. My eyes are getting like hynix worn out.
Usually Palit 3060 ti hynix memories have e defect memory chip,i would avoid these brands on rtx 3060 ti cards.(Palit,Gigabyte)
I don't know what's going on, but this is very interesting
I Just found out this video after purchasing Zotac RTX 3060Ti twin edge LHR with hynix memory, its been 4 months now i am so scared, should i be worried as i am running this GPU on undervolt settings on .900mv Core clock @ 1845 Mhz and Memory overclock of @ +200 (7200 as 7001 is stock).
Did you agree with me that most of boards failure components are memory chips?
Yes
Does 3060 12gb have same memory chip and this problem ??? and can lowering voltage down-clocking card mhz help eliminate artifacts is it possible to fix it like this ..
Coming a bit to late to late to this but i have a question, isn't there a VRAM tested? Like one which you insert 1 or more chips and automatically checks them? Isn't that more a better solution when you have to take them out? Better in the sense of speed i mean, compared to have to run inspections and some other voltage and continuity testing.
VRAM testers are way too expensive. Buying one will only make sense for manufacturer facility, not for repair workshop.
@@NikolayIslentev Well yeah, but this guy probably could've used it at this point.
bro really clipped Alex hammering lmfaooooo!!!
13:35 Looks like a binary enumeration. It's read from right to left. Numbers are counted in cycles. Humans have a decimal cycle because we have 10 fingers. The computer has only two fingers: no or yes, 0 or 1. So, every time a number higher than 1 needs to be expressed, a new cycle is enumerated by incrementing the value to the left. So, if we wanted to count from 0 to 10 in binary it would look like this: 00000, 00001, 00010, 00011, 00100, 00101, 00110, 00111, 01000, 01001, 01010...
Is theree a knowledge base somewhere with all models of cards and what memory they come with, and which ones are recommended to buy that last and which ones arent recommended?
i had a usb c on my 2070 super and i used it for connecting my vr display port to pc
Did you speed up the video by .25. edit : read the comments and answerd my own question
150%
That sucks! How come I never hear about this kind of thing with bad memory happening with any AMD cards? Have they just been lucky?
I know memory can still fail on AMD cards, but I've never heard of their cards using models of memory chip which are known to have weak durability or high failure rates.
I mean is that really an nvidia/amd thing to beginn with, the card was by gigabyte and gigabyte decided on what RAM they wanna put on, right?
My XFX Merc 6750XT is using Samsung DDR6. Was glad to see that.
do all 3060 Ti cards have Hynix x005 VRAM? I currently have a 3060 Ti FE and i hope it wont go out like this. Should i be worried?
Only some
@@northwestrepair Guess I shall tear down my graphics card and find out.
@@northwestrepair Mine's got some Samsung K4Z8038C, guessing that's alright?
I have a 3060ti with samsung memory. can you tell me what a safe temp is pls? i get spikes up to 81c at times. Thank you, you're videos are amazing, new subscriber for sure.
Oh yeah. Watching with 0.75x speed.
My favorite memory error is the micron 20xx series error.
XD
Btw the binary counting is jot confusing if you learnt programming.
Good video! I have a question please: I bought a Gigabyte Elite OC RTX 3060 TI (v.2) last December. GPUz says there are Hynix memory chips inside.
Did they use these bad SK Hynix chips at the start of the production of the 3060 TI or throughout? This is a late production card; it can't do mining.
Thanks!!
Can't tell without opening it
Hello thx for vid. How to know what brand of memory one have do you have to dissaseble vcard?
OC my vram hynix on rog strix 3060Ti +1100 for 9 mouth ......keep oc or not with this hynix???
I wonder, if you go that far, installing Samsung 16GB dies, should yeld double the vram right?
it would be fun to have one of very few card that would have that config.
What happened to your left hand tony?
USB-C was a great idea on the GPU for VR headsets to communicate faster so they do not suffer any lag getting any video information communicating through the M/B chipset.
Is it me or is this video intentionally speed up? I thought it was just Micron that had bad memory chips. Hynix too? I was lucky with my last 2 GPU's with Samsung memory thankfully. Couldn't get a clear answer out of any Retailer to actually get a video card with Samsung memory. I don't like playing the lottery with over $2000 just for a fraction of my Gaming PC build. $600 for a Gaming console seems more feasible
words on the street saying that the USB C on 2000 series can be used with Playstation PSVR2, the USB C i think was called opti-link?
Sooo, could you upgrade a 3060ti to 16gb with the correct straps and samsung memory?
Is the "super tester mega pro xl" something you designed?
Would you also need to modify the firmware/Bios of the card if the new memory chip model is not included on it?
Like if you go to tech power up and look at some VGA Bios there will be a "Memory Support" list. Some cards have multiple memory chips listed while others only have the one installed on the board listed.
Knowing Nvidia Is that even doable? If yes how exactly? I looked around and couldn't find it.
No
@@northwestrepair That is kind of surprising...
I know that the Memory Microcode on the GPU Bios contain the memory timings or at least it used to do.
On the first Mining boom I remember people "optimizing" GPUs by manipulating the memory timings on the Bios code.
@@northwestrepair any way to tell if the hynix memory ends with x005 using software? without taking the card apart? I will lose the warranty if I take it apart. That's why I'm asking. Thank you for your great video!
you don't need to modify the vBIOS because the vBIOS for all Nvidia Cards already supports Samsung, Micron, and Hynix Chips in one package(rare exceptions in some Generations). you would need to if say, there was another Vendor you could get Chips from other than those 3, and wanted to try and use those.
since you've looked at TPU's Databases, you've seen this already. the Cards which won't have multiple Memory Vendors listed in their vBIOS would be GDDRX Cards, as Micron is the only one that Manufactures GDDRX.
Pressed like for the hammer :D
i had gigabyte vision oc rtx 3060 12gb same problem even tho it had samsung chips and it was just after 6 months of use and only gaming
I'd be trying to source Samsung chips. Problem is, after you'd have to blind-flash or pull Write Enable leg on VBIOS and change firmware version to match memory type.
this has happened to my 3060 ti recently, nice to know it lasts a year with low usage and starts to die, it hasnt shut down the system and for the majority of the time it runs games without any issues, but some games it just goes mental with the artifacts and crashes the game, but again sometimes those same games work perfectly fine, i tend to use steam to test as it has artifacts all over the place when its happening so i just reset my pc until it doesnt happen
How long it took for yours to die?
@@frostiee5471 12 months, and tbh i doont even use it much compared to most casual gamers, ive been slacking in gaming for at least the pas 6 months now, currently trying to get it replaced or preferably refunded
my vidio card 3060 ti have micron memory gddr6x is this bad?
So the memory might fail if the card isn't used properly?
No. In this case it doesn't matter
Memory chips will fail eventually, well if my 3060ti dies I will get a 6700xt or 6750xt
Yes amd give more ram; however, it’s 192 bit. It still works out more ram though.
how did you make that super tester mega pro??
❤
meanwhile my 970s are still kicking ass. if anything i just need to oc my 4790k or just upgrade to an 8300k
Have you ever tried doubling RAM on a board by swapping to higher density? I've heard this is possible, I suppose with the right chips, right board, not sure what is really needed, or if extra BIOS hacking is also required.
Not worth the cost.
A Brazilian GPU repair channel has actually done that here on TH-cam, I think just to say they did. You should be able to find it just by googling it.
@@northwestrepair Well, compare 4090 24GB for $1800 and Ada A6000 48GB is $6800. Not sure if thats the sort of swap that is possible, but some might make sense. Or, a used $800 3090 24GB if it could be converted to 48gb and be as good as a used $3500 A6000 Ampere.
@@everydreamai 4090 and A6000 are already using top end memory ic with the same density, the A6000 just have a different PCB to allow double sided memory. Currently the only consumer card that would be able to reach 48GB is the 3090, the 3090Ti is using an updated PCB with single sided memory. Also keep in my that a single 16Gbit GDDR6X cost about $35~$45 each, so for a 3090 you would need about $840~$1080 in memory parts alone, swapping all those IC isn't cheap and easy, I would add like $300~500 on top of it, so already between $1140~$1580 for the upgrade, without even thinking about the card/core being able to sustain all those heat cycle.
Furthermore if your job depend on a 48GB card, you ain't gonna buy a DIY 3090 48GB when a properly working with fully approved driver A6000 cost only $1000 more.
I use the USB C port for my portable monitor
Can you swap out faster memory chips on a card like this?
I assume those 3060tis listed as having DDR6x would be safe bet just stay away from the DDR6?
Yes
Welp, my 3060ti has DDR6, but my card is only 1.5yrs old and I undervolted it a few months back. Would it still be fine?
@@SkateClipsAndTips How'd you undervolt it and by how much?
@@_Slach_ you need the application msi afterburner, to undervolt the memory you just type -100 in the memory clock box and click apply, then save profile to number 1 and click the windows icon so it applies settings on start up of your pc. To undervolt your gpu core clock is a bit more complicated, you will have to look up a tutorial for that one
Edit: Nevermind :)
Original: I couldn't understand most of what you said. Longer videos are always better than unintelligible videos.
Can reduce the playback speed of the video
@@SkateClipsAndTips All these years, and I didn't realize that. Thanks!
Just want to know....how much do charge for single chip replacement?
20 plus fix fee if success.
just hypothetically....if i wanna have the chips on my 2060 6G replaced with 2GB Modules or any config to get to 12G....how much would this cost approx? Inno3d btw
i can tell you that it would be too expensive to make sense for something as slow as a 2060. the Card itself isn't worth enough Money to bother unless you just want to do it for fun and don't care about the value of it.
I have soo many pairs of scissors like that.
Curious, will changing memory affecting driver update or software features?
No
bro..can you just give me the chip details that you used on this card (micron)