I'll add one tip. When you tune a 12 string without a capo then put a capo on, you'll find the thicker strings go up in pitch slightly more than the thinner ones. This is particularly noticeable on the low E and A strings. By habit, I lower them a bit when I put a capo on, comparing them to the octave string next to them.
Yes! All true. Another tip for tuning, which can also be used on a 6-string, tune the octaves - pairs of strings that are an octave apart when one of them is open and the other is played on 2nd or 3rd fret - starting from the bass end, with string #s in (): E(6,4), G(6,3), A(5,3), B(5,2), D(4,2), E(4,1), G(3,1). These are the most important parts of any chord you will play. I find that after all these years, I do these checks routinely, almost without having to think about it. Fred
Good advice on this video Mark. I have been playing for 40 years and in the last 15 years probably play a 12 string 75 percent of the time. Yes it does take extra effort to hold down especially Barre Chords on a 12. The main point of the sound is the octave strings ringing. So clean fingering is essential. One thing I would add to your tip list. Play triad chord shapes especially if you struggle barring a 12. Sorry to hear about your loss . Glad to hear a new video weekly going forward
I really appreciate that. The more views you get the more you open yourself up to people trying to tear you down. The funny thing is you'd think that most people would be cooler and more forgiving. I'm a musician not a lawyer. :). Have a great week. Mark
I have my Gretsch Hollowbody Guitar from GearFest 2019 and it's still my favorite guitar. I've been using this for every kind of music like rockabilly, jazz and any parodies I made including Blink 182, Primus, Green Day, Crash Test Dummies, and more.
Great tips, Mark. Worth writing down (again). Makes me want to pick up my 12 string right now. Also nice to see the Moody Blues make an appearance. Thank you!
You are right about using arpeggios. On a 12 string less can be more! Your method of swapping G strings for finger picking is a good idea, but another option is to use the Carter Family Lick (similar to claw hammer banjo). Hit the bass notes with the thumb and strum the other notes with index and middle fingers.
Just now picked up an electric 12, right away I noticed that my usual heavy picks were just not likely to work out. So seeing that tip about the picks was good to hear. I knew I kept a bunch of assorted picks around.
Great as usual Mark, I'd love to hear you trying Still You Turn Me On by Emerson, Lake, and Palmer. Greg Lake was the master of arpeggios on the 12 string, and it's drop D tuning too.
I am glad to see you picked, literally, using a lighter pick as the #1 tip. I use a Dunlop .60 nylon pick for playing 6-string, but use a .46 for my 12-string, and occasionally a .38, which gives sort of a "wind thru the trees" sound when playing 12-string. As well, with a lighter pick also try a lighter set of strings. And a bit of terminology I learned recently. With stringed instruments, the two closely positioned strings that are tuned to the same note, or one an octave up is know as a "course". A 12-string would then be described as an instrument having six 2-string courses.
Hey Farrell. And again I get more than I give. I didn't know that about the string sets. A course. Ok. It's funny. I was just reading a reddit thread about Rhett Shull. All the haters piling on. I'll say this much. Being a youtuber is the personification of Money for Nothing. People will mention all the pros and cons but most don't consider the phenomenal amount of work it takes. It really is a huge sacrifice. And 99.9% don't even get more than a handful of views, let alone make money. I always remind myself that at the end of the day most people are good. Even the ones that go off on me usually apologize after they realize that I'm a real person just playing guitar, making videos, and giving my honest opinion about how I see things. Thanks for the nugget. Much appreciated. Mark
@@8MinuteAxe Back in the 1990s, I worked for a company that produced information kiosks, and were pioneers in incorporating videos as part of the tourist information app I wrote. So I got to hang around with some real pros in the video production field, and one of the take aways from that was that they planned video shoots with a one to one ratio, that is, one hour of shooting time will yield one minute of video. So I appreciate how much effort it takes creators to put together a video with decent production values like your videos. Thank you!
Great tips for the mighty 12 string...thank you! Mine is a Taylor 855 that I keep down a 1/2 step, thinking of going a whole step down and trying heavier strings at next string change...might get better volume.
Happy Days Mark! Appreciate the solid content you share with the masses. Been saving for a 12-string for over a year and look forward to finally learning the classic riffs I’ve been saving to learn. Love the outakes too 😊
I've been playing 12 string for many years and I can agree that you are on target with these great tips! Although I am a fingerstyle picker, I haven't used a pick in a long time, I did use thin picks when I started. New to your channel and subscribed! Keep up the great work!
Great video Mark , also I think keeping all your guitar clean is essential , but for a 12 string keeping the back of the neck nice so there isnt any gummieness or drag really helps. I use turtle wax express shine as its non yellowing but I keep it off the fret board , nut saddle etc.
Total agreement, Mr Ranally! Everything you say here is how to make a 12 sound great. Add one - LEARN TO TUNE YOUR 12 BY EAR. Get it into tune with itself, let it sing! It's not hard, particularly if you learn to tune with harmonics. That way you're not just a slave to your tuner, you're TEMPERING the tuning of your guitar and it wakes up and soars.
Yup, I am long before tuners. I do use tuners to get on the same page as every one, or if I tumble in to a tuning marathon. With out tempering, life can be a head ach. Still I adjust while playing. I have 3 units with excellent intonation, all electrics. Fender E XIIs rule. With the 7 1/4" r they will fret out with a low action. For bends these new Squire Jazzmaster 12s are amazing. Nothing seems to beat a Guild. Went for a Martian D 28 12, it is fantastic. Yes, if you listen to what you are doing you must tune by ear.
@christophergallagher531 exactly. I do own a couple of tuners, but my instinct is always to reach for the A440 tuning fork, and once I have a single string in tune to just go from there. If you can hear accurate unisons, octaves and fifths there isn't a stringed instrument on the planet you can't tune that way. Often faster, or at least AS fast, as somebody using a tuner for every string.
If you play a high action, using harmonics to tune, may set you up for sharp fretted notes. I set my intonations to run flat at the 12th. I like zero frets, but few makers use then. Strings high at the nut really mess things up. All those things undermined my confidence in my formative days. Get a C chord to sound good, and the D would be muddy. I thought it was me. There are no wall phones left. What was a dial tone? B flat as I recall. My 440 fork turned out to be 442. Guitars and gear are better and cheaper now! Not to mention the huge amount of choices. Strings are far far better. This is my understatement of the day. How much blood did we leave on 'Black Diamonds' ? Windings fell off, killing fretts.
Mark: Sorry to hear about the family member. Now I know why I haven't seen a video from you for a while. I've let myself get too busy with my business and have let my practice slide. Your videos are a reminder that I need to pick up my guitar more often.
Hey Bob. I'm thinking about doing a video about how anybody can reinvent his or herself as a guitarist. I was a mediocre professional guitarist who toured and was in one of the 1000s of bands that had a legit shot (albeit a long one!) and then personal struggles derailed me. From 2008 until 2014 I didn't pick the guitar up at all. In 2015 I decided that I wanted to be a good player and I started practicing for at least 2 hours everyday. In 2019 I quit my day job to give music a go for the 3rd time in my life. Quit grad school (temporarily) in 1995 (age 24) to pursue music full time. I did it again in 2003 (age 32) and then again in 2019 (age 48). I never thought my career would be peaking at age 50. You never know....
@@8MinuteAxe I learned to play guitar in the 60s and then didn't touch one for years until I found a deal on a 12-string Martin that I couldn't pass up. As far as careers go, I have had several of them, and at almost 76 I am self-employed and enjoying every day running my business. It keeps me physically and mentally active. By the way, I am just short of 1,000 subs on my channel but still need to build up the watch hours to become monetized.
I have recently purchased a Vangoa 12 string acoustic/electric and discovered subtle differences from basic 6 string acoustic. Picking is different when going up, angle needs to be flatter to be sure of striking both strings.
How do you like your 562 ce , I love mine nice compression as well as mids.found an old Taylor 750 , going to the luthier for its neck reset and new nut and sadle. Hope she jumps back to life.
Mark - when flatpicking on the 12, do you mostly favor down-picking or do you just use the same alternate picking approach as you would on a six string?
Keep mixing it up. Circle picking is cool. Keep in mind some guitars have the primary string on the bottom, some (like Rickys) have the primary on top. This changes things.
@kingrobert1st I have a spruce/rosewood Taylor Grand Orchestra supersized Jumbo 12 string, and it has a great balanced sound. Mark was playing on a much smaller Grand Concert size, which may account somewhat for that. But I think too many people hear Taylor=treble, and it becomes gospel. Not true! I have a Taylor 6 string short-scale spruce/rosewood Grand Concert and it has a beautiful sound with plenty of bass presence. And also a 6 string spruce/rosewood Grand Orchestra that boomed too much. Had to put on Light gauge bass strings. I also fingerpick all my instruments using my nails as picks.
So...I used to wear baseball hats all the time (I'm still a big baseball fan but I used to be a baseball junkie) and I would wear a fedora from time to time. Then at the NAMM show last year I was surprised that several people recognized me so I thought, I need some kind of trademark hat or glasses. I went through about 6 before I found what I was looking for. Something modern looking, not too cowboy, but not too serious either. I always wonder how people come about wearing cowboy hats or fedoras. I do wear it around the house fairly often so that way I don't feel like a phony when I shoot a video. How's that for honesty. :)
I'm restringing my 12 tonight it's a 2000 Gibson epiphone that has the most beautiful tone especially recorded. Neil Young believes the cheap epiphones sound better than expensive guitars recorded.
Hello Mark, been playing 12 strings since the 60s. I also use a double pass system of tuning, to D#, but always the octave g string last. I noticed you used the William Tell Overture (Lone Ranger) for the tuning schtick. There is a youtube video out there of Glen Campbell playing that on an electric 12 string with a full orchestra back-up. Worth the hunt. Be well and play well. Found it: th-cam.com/video/GUBhE00h9U0/w-d-xo.html
Thanks for sharing. Not many share tips on here for twelve string guitar so this is good and very important. Personally I had to move over to open G tuning on my old German Framus 12 string cause of a bad pain in my left hand. With open G tuning and a slide tube (made of glass) you can get some really cool sounds. Like this -> th-cam.com/video/gha9F5RbmmU/w-d-xo.htmlsi=3lkyvlf5Q4edRmtj I hope I did not post this before I think I did not. Thanks and keep up the good work
A thin pick will not get me very far. The lightest I consider is a 71. My standard is a 88. A 1 is called for at times. Atack pressure, angle of attack and aditude, all take considerable practice. A 71 wouln't get me out of the bed room. I seldome break a string. Most of my 12s have 10s these days. Only two are at concert pitch. A 440. Both are new Squire Jazzmaster 12s, with carbon fiber reinforcement The D 12 28 goes there. As does my dad's '69 Yamaha, when called for. My Guild J with two trusrods has no trouble up there, but at a whole step lower, it sound like church. I will use different picks to influence EQ. Here, I use different materials, before changing weights. The concept of a lite pick, here, is not wrong. I have sugested the same thing in the learning curve. Hey capo up high, with a glassey thin pick, grab a beer under a shade tree. Don't forget to stop counting time and listen for the decay. It ain't a banjo. Yes those down stroke arpegios. You buy a nice ax, let it do it's thing. Listen, don't worry about forcing you self it to a mold. Chris
Hey Chris. You sound very passionate about guitar. That's awesome. It's funny how some people get all worked up like we're talking world politics. I just read a thread of people dumping on a popular guitar youtuber. The one thing they forget is the phenomenal amount of work involved. And you have to be passionate and dedicated because most of us had to make at least 50 videos before we got more than 20 views. I thought I knew what I was getting into. It's 10 times as much work as I expected. Thank god I decided to make guitar videos. :)
@@8MinuteAxe Thanks. And thanks for your work. Any thing 12 string catches my attention. You do a good job, and for sure folks benefit from your effort. I admit to having an attitude. One thing I do is continually check my self. Like the rabbit hole of picks. Yikes! So many things can become tangents, chewing up time. I went and looked at the maine axes I am using. Tucked in the guitars are mainly .71s, This surprised me. Tucked in the ones that get played out are .88s, .96s and 1.s. I found some Clayton .63s handy. The material makes a huge difference. Back from the day, we had actual tortoise shell, and early plastics would shatter. Even the size of picks were all over the place. I note Claytons are big. I do a lot of muting around the pick. Some times the pick is barely sticking out. When warmed up, it is possible to choose just the prime string or the octave. I made the mistake of taking a 12, one Sunday morning to a blue grass festival. I managed to stick to the primes. By lunch, I was running home to get a six! That was 25 years ago. That event improved my right hand. It seems you keep your sub divisions on the guitar. That is a good thing. I found my self sitting and stamping both feet. John Hammond Sr. caught me. He said to stop that, and put it all on the guitar. I guess his son John jr. did not take that advice! I did. If you are considering an electric, now is a good time. Squire made a limited run of Jazzmaster 12s. The build is fantastic, the price unbelievable. ~ $450.00 at Sweetwater. I play one in the middle of the night, unplugged. It needes nothing, save the string retainer is too agressive and binds some. I put in a treb pass on the volume, it works in any amp I have. It capos like a dream. Thanks again for you content. Keep the faith. Chris
@@8MinuteAxe every time I went to see The Monkees or Micky solo, the guitar player usually played the riff on a Strat in a quack pickup position. Always drove me nuts. 😆
Pete Seeger. I'm sure I'm out of tune most of the time. I gave up trying to come to grips with the fact that it's a tempered instrument years ago. Luckily, I'm not that good where it really matters. :)
Great comments about finger placement and sometimes the basics. It occured to me that in watching professional sports multi-million dollar athletes run the same basic drills or are still in the outfield shagging fly balls. There is no substitute for good dedicated practice. If there is please let me know.
Hey Dennis. I don't know. I see all of these ads that tell me I've been doing it wrong and that it's much easier than people think. It's funny, I'm sure you've seen the bald guy that advertises like crazy. I bought his course 5 years ago (It was worth the $29 just to see what it was). It's literally 10 lessons that are exactly what everybody teaches for the first 10 lessons. The best part is...after scrolling...and scrolling...and scrolling, reading about how it's REVOLUTIONARY, BREAKTHROUGH, unlike ANY other course, as soon as I purchased it...he tried to upsell me! That's right. I hit the buy button and I got IF YOU REALLY WANT TO LEARN HOW TO PLAY you should buy my upgraded course. LMAO.
I'm looking for my first 12 string . Looking for a good used one but there is nothing around that is in good condition . I gave it serious consideration about getting a Vangoa , but all the sources for the 12 string are sold out . I guesd I'll just keep watching for a good used one to surface . BTW ..... G R E A T Tips for the 12 string . .
As much as I'm not a huge fan of their customer service, you can't beat Guitar Center's used guitar collection. They have a 45 day return policy and many times they have cheaper prices than you can get stuff for on reverb. This guitar is supposed to be excellent for the money www.guitarcenter.com/Used/Yamaha/FG420-12-12-String-Acoustic-Guitar.gc?cntry=us&source=4WWRWXGP&gad_source=1&gclid=CjwKCAjwoPOwBhAeEiwAJuXRh2KjGAi4hYrLxMSC2kbUzu6GmZE8rLsbk2gOmczDOTwXTlA_-Rym5xoClWgQAvD_BwE. Please know that I'm not affiliated with them in any way, this is not an affiliate link, and I have no stake as to whether you decide to pull the trigger or not. I did a quick look around for you and I think this is a good deal. Let me know what you end up doing and how you make out. Please take care. Mark
@@8MinuteAxe I Really appreciate the feedback Mark. Thanks sooo much . And thanks for the link. Very much appreciated . I could be wrong , ... but the strings don't quite look right for some reason . Maybe it's an opportunity waiting ! ? Thanks again .
actually, i don't mind tuning! i have two 12ers and two double-neckers, so, that's a good thing haha! and indeed using a thin pick is the only way to go for me, certainly. i think i just figured that out on my own, from experience. keep the great content coming, mark! love from canada! 😊 Ps - great shirt!
Great advice! I have a recently purchased 12 string Guild that I love to play, great sound, but I've been using it like my 6 string - I need to step up my approach. Thank you again.
Hey Bruno. Thanks so much for checking out the video and for your kind words. I really appreciate your time and comment. Guild makes great guitars. It seems like every guy I know who's been playing for at least 30 years has an old 70s Guild in the arsenal. So underrated. Especially their 12-strings. Take care and enjoy the rest of your week. -Mark
I just happened upon a thread of all these guys tearing into Rhett Shull. The one thing none of them realizes is that it's a ton of work. 10 times as much as I figured it would be and I went in with my eyes open. And, it's entertainment. People can't wait to correct a mistake, tell you how great they are, how much they know, how their opinion is actually fact. Anybody with even a shred of self awareness should realize that it's literally impossible to come off like anything but an ass when offering any of the aforementioned. It doesn't bother me because I realized a long time ago that 99% of the time the comment has more to do with the commenter than with me. Most of the time when somebody is overly critical, I just feel a sense of sadness for that person. I've been doing this for 30 years and I've yet to meet a great musician who puts down other musicians. :)
This is mostly for beginners but to your 12 string guitar down one whole step and then put a capo on the second fret you’ll be in standard tuning and it’s much easier to finger 12 strings there’s not as much tension and your strength will last longer
Hey PJS. For sure that's a great tip and are usually included when I do these types of videos I believe it's in this video as well. I have most of my guitars to the standard and having the short scale Taylor and a couple other pretty nice 12 strings the action is good and they're pretty easy to play. But for sure with my entry-level and even mid priced guitars, it's hard to get great action and tuning down really helps. It also brings out the richness of the bottom end if you're more of a stronger than a picker. Thanks so much for checking out the video. I appreciate your time and your comment. Oh I almost forgot it will definitely last longer take care and be well. Mark.
At a gig I broke a string on my Les Paul; so I grabbed my back-up Ovation solid body 12-string. It sounded so well (and was a lot of fun!) that I finished the set with it rather than going back to the 6-string!
An incredibly helpful video. I especially like the donut tip. I tend to play my six string guitars more often. My biggest 12 string challenge is barre chords.
So good to hear someone sing the praises of the 12-string guitar. I think it is not being used enough. I love the sound of it. It is really harder to play, though, as you pointed out with the "donut" tip.
Hey Kees. I've done about 120 videos on the 12 string (a little more than half the videos on the channel). I've thrown myself into it completely. I'm even learning Wabash Cannonball on the 12. About 1/4 of the speed of Buster B Jones. LOL. Thanks so much. Mark
Some good tips overall, but to say someone is playing 12 string the wrong way if they don’t play it like you, especially in ALL CAPS! Is wrong and misleading It’s music, yu can be different, so instead write something like they may not be doing things that will give them the full benefit of a 12 string. Yes to break the rules, it helps to know the rules, but there’s still a ton of leeway. Picks for example. A thin pick might work well for some, and sure, give it a try. But it won’t be the best option for everyone I have used thin and medium picks, too floppy for my liking I play much better no matter the instrument, style, or genre, with a heavy pick or with thumb/fingers Try it all, develop your own style
I've never even remotely intimated that the guitar should be played the way I play it. I bet at least 25% of my videos contain some remark about how pedestrian my playing is. I have several lessons on here in which I encourage developing your own style and when it comes to 12-string playing, I always joke about the savant like quality of playing that some old timers get out of a Rickenbacker. I play mostly fingerstyle and rarely use a thin pick when I play the acoustic 12. I don't know what you're referring to regarding capital letters but if you know anything about youtube and how difficult it is to even get views on one video, you'll know that there are certain things we all must do to survive. This is how I feed my family. And I grind. I don't accept money for reviews even though at my current size I would get between $600 and $800 per video. I don't do patreon because I don't want to charge viewers to watch or to unlock stuff. Instead I grind. I gig. I teach. I write. I play sessions (sessions are rare because I'm not very good). I've made a good living doing this for the better part of 25 years, and I've never put the burden on the fans. Everybody thinks they know best. When I did my top 5 campfire songs video, do you know how many comments I got that said "the list is crap if you don't include ....." The list would have to be 300 songs long to satisfy people. It's easy to sit on the other side and pass judgement. Put yourself out there. I think you'll be surprised at just how much work it is to do this. And on top of everything else it takes to be a youtuber, when you're a performer you have to nail parts on top of everything else.
@@8MinuteAxe from your own words: The reason that many guitar players can't justify buying a 12-string is because the players that do own one...ARE PLAYING IT THE WRONG WAY! That’s the all caps. I understand the work and standing out, etc. I am not a TH-camr, but understand the idea, if not from direct experience. The video does have some good info. It’s some of the the presentation and message. My comment was directed more at the thin pick being a must, and the ALL CAPS WRONG WAY message It would be more helpful to suggest using a thin pick and seeing how that goes. I have been through that. A heavy pick works best for me. But that doesn’t mean it works best for everyone I have taught guitar, and would coach students in that manner, and they learned to figure things out, be experimental, etc, and also were more likely to try things the “correct” way, even if they wound up doing it differently in the end. I did check out other videos and will check out ones in the future And again, did appreciate the video.
I think you’ve done more than anyone else to whet my appetite and sustain my appreciation for both acoustic and electric 12-string. These are great, practical tips, and also encouraging inasmuch as they validate the difficulties I find when playing. It’s nice to know these things are normal. I will say I find I don’t like the tone or feel of thinner picks. However, it highlights one of the benefits you listed because this forces an even greater amount of precision. The only thing I would add for tips is to make explicit what’s implied in what you present: consciously *savor* the unique beauty of the 12-string. Lose yourself in the beauty and richness that come even with playing simple things. This perspective, along with the notable benefits once playing on 6-string again, will help motivate past the challenges inherent to 12-string.
I have a spruce/rosewood Taylor Grand Orchestra supersized Jumbo 12 string, and it has a great balanced sound. Mark was playing on a much smaller Grand Concert size, which may account somewhat for that. But I think too many people hear Taylor=treble, and it becomes gospel. Not true! I have a Taylor 6 string short-scale spruce/rosewood Grand Concert and it has a beautiful sound with plenty of bass presence. And also a 6 string spruce/rosewood Grand Orchestra that booms too much. Had to put on Light gauge bass strings. I also fingerpick all my instruments using my nails as picks.
I've found Taylors to be very consistent but I know other people that aren't Taylor fans. As far as taking anything from the sound in this video or any video on youtube, I don't recommend it. I used the mic on my phone to record because my recorder died, then it goes through three stages of compression before it gets uploaded to TH-cam where it gets whacked again. The amount of MBs that youtube allots to the audio is less than an mp3. Lastly, this is a concert size with ex light strings. I use it for fingerstyle. Check out a Taylor 755 jumbo. It's about as big a sound as they come. Thanks for your long time support and thanks for making some interesting discussion. Mark
I'll add one tip. When you tune a 12 string without a capo then put a capo on, you'll find the thicker strings go up in pitch slightly more than the thinner ones. This is particularly noticeable on the low E and A strings. By habit, I lower them a bit when I put a capo on, comparing them to the octave string next to them.
Yes! All true.
Another tip for tuning, which can also be used on a 6-string, tune the octaves - pairs of strings that are an octave apart when one of them is open and the other is played on 2nd or 3rd fret - starting from the bass end, with string #s in (): E(6,4), G(6,3), A(5,3), B(5,2), D(4,2), E(4,1), G(3,1).
These are the most important parts of any chord you will play. I find that after all these years, I do these checks routinely, almost without having to think about it.
Fred
Good advice on this video Mark. I have been playing for 40 years and in the last 15 years probably play a 12 string 75 percent of the time. Yes it does take extra effort to hold down especially Barre Chords on a 12. The main point of the sound is the octave strings ringing. So clean fingering is essential. One thing I would add to your tip list. Play triad chord shapes especially if you struggle barring a 12. Sorry to hear about your loss . Glad to hear a new video weekly going forward
Great to pause and remember the basics. Good job Mark. Thanks
Best tips I've seen yet for the 12 string.
I really appreciate that. The more views you get the more you open yourself up to people trying to tear you down. The funny thing is you'd think that most people would be cooler and more forgiving. I'm a musician not a lawyer. :). Have a great week. Mark
I have my Gretsch Hollowbody Guitar from GearFest 2019 and it's still my favorite guitar. I've been using this for every kind of music like rockabilly, jazz and any parodies I made including Blink 182, Primus, Green Day, Crash Test Dummies, and more.
All good points…..Would love tab for the solo examples..Walk right in was my first fascination with 12 string way back in the 60s
Great tips, Mark. Worth writing down (again). Makes me want to pick up my 12 string right now. Also nice to see the Moody Blues make an appearance. Thank you!
Somehow you keep getting better and better tips with each video Mark 🎸🎸🎸🙂
Great Video Mark! Sorry for your loss, you are in my prayers.
You are right about using arpeggios. On a 12 string less can be more! Your method of swapping G strings for finger picking is a good idea, but another option is to use the Carter Family Lick (similar to claw hammer banjo). Hit the bass notes with the thumb and strum the other notes with index and middle fingers.
Just now picked up an electric 12, right away I noticed that my usual heavy picks were just not likely to work out. So seeing that tip about the picks was good to hear. I knew I kept a bunch of assorted picks around.
Top job Mark, cheers from London!🍻
Thank you Mark. Great pointers
Thanks, Mark! You do good videos, man! :)
Hey brother. Great to hear from you. Thanks for the years of support. Take care and have a great week. Mark
Great as usual Mark, I'd love to hear you trying Still You Turn Me On by Emerson, Lake, and Palmer. Greg Lake was the master of arpeggios on the 12 string, and it's drop D tuning too.
Recently found your channel. Love 12 strings but have not got one yet. Starting to think maybe one is in my future. Great video!
Thoughtful, sensible and useful tips. Thanks!
Awesome video-- great advice and playing!
Hey Maryann. Thanks so much for watching and for the kind words. I hope you have a great week. Mark
I been playing a 12 string for 40 years Can't play a 6 string anymore. Something missing.
I have 15 years on ya,
I always come back to s 12.
nice use of the rok-lok
I am glad to see you picked, literally, using a lighter pick as the #1 tip. I use a Dunlop .60 nylon pick for playing 6-string, but use a .46 for my 12-string, and occasionally a .38, which gives sort of a "wind thru the trees" sound when playing 12-string. As well, with a lighter pick also try a lighter set of strings. And a bit of terminology I learned recently. With stringed instruments, the two closely positioned strings that are tuned to the same note, or one an octave up is know as a "course". A 12-string would then be described as an instrument having six 2-string courses.
Hey Farrell. And again I get more than I give. I didn't know that about the string sets. A course. Ok. It's funny. I was just reading a reddit thread about Rhett Shull. All the haters piling on. I'll say this much. Being a youtuber is the personification of Money for Nothing. People will mention all the pros and cons but most don't consider the phenomenal amount of work it takes. It really is a huge sacrifice. And 99.9% don't even get more than a handful of views, let alone make money. I always remind myself that at the end of the day most people are good. Even the ones that go off on me usually apologize after they realize that I'm a real person just playing guitar, making videos, and giving my honest opinion about how I see things. Thanks for the nugget. Much appreciated. Mark
@@8MinuteAxe Back in the 1990s, I worked for a company that produced information kiosks, and were pioneers in incorporating videos as part of the tourist information app I wrote. So I got to hang around with some real pros in the video production field, and one of the take aways from that was that they planned video shoots with a one to one ratio, that is, one hour of shooting time will yield one minute of video. So I appreciate how much effort it takes creators to put together a video with decent production values like your videos. Thank you!
Great tips for the mighty 12 string...thank you! Mine is a Taylor 855 that I keep down a 1/2 step, thinking of going a whole step down and trying heavier strings at next string change...might get better volume.
I really enjoy your videos. I aspire to be as good on my 12 string. I’ve learned a lot from your instructional videos. Thanks for what you do.
Thanks for the advice. I’ll put it to practice. 😊🙏🏼
Thanks I enjoyed your comments
Thank you so much for checking out the video. I sincerely appreciate it. Mark
Great video
Good reinforcement for kinda what I do. Need to get back to basics.
Happy Days Mark! Appreciate the solid content you share with the masses. Been saving for a 12-string for over a year and look forward to finally learning the classic riffs I’ve been saving to learn. Love the outakes too 😊
Go for it!
Budget, think Yamaha or Madera.
I've been playing 12 string for many years and I can agree that you are on target with these great tips! Although I am a fingerstyle picker, I haven't used a pick in a long time, I did use thin picks when I started. New to your channel and subscribed! Keep up the great work!
I’m new to this. Fingerpicker on 6. Use my nails. Having a bad time trying to get both strings to ring out as I pick upward on the trebles. Hints?
@@CameraLaw Just keep at it, getting used to where you need to strike improves muscle memory and over time it becomes second nature.😊
Great video Mark , also I think keeping all your guitar clean is essential , but for a 12 string keeping the back of the neck nice so there isnt any gummieness or drag really helps. I use turtle wax express shine as its non yellowing but I keep it off the fret board , nut saddle etc.
Total agreement, Mr Ranally!
Everything you say here is how to make a 12 sound great.
Add one - LEARN TO TUNE YOUR 12 BY EAR.
Get it into tune with itself, let it sing! It's not hard, particularly if you learn to tune with harmonics. That way you're not just a slave to your tuner, you're TEMPERING the tuning of your guitar and it wakes up and soars.
Yup, I am long before tuners.
I do use tuners to get on the same page as every one, or if I tumble in to a tuning marathon.
With out tempering, life can be a head ach.
Still I adjust while playing.
I have 3 units with excellent intonation, all electrics. Fender E XIIs rule. With the 7 1/4" r they will fret out with a low action.
For bends these new Squire Jazzmaster 12s are amazing.
Nothing seems to beat a Guild.
Went for a Martian D 28 12, it is fantastic.
Yes, if you listen to what you are doing you must tune by ear.
@christophergallagher531 exactly. I do own a couple of tuners, but my instinct is always to reach for the A440 tuning fork, and once I have a single string in tune to just go from there. If you can hear accurate unisons, octaves and fifths there isn't a stringed instrument on the planet you can't tune that way. Often faster, or at least AS fast, as somebody using a tuner for every string.
The one downside of playing a lot and developing an ear. Tuning a tempered instrument. Those of us who remain sane threw up the white flag long ago!
If you play a high action, using harmonics to tune, may set you up for sharp fretted notes.
I set my intonations to run flat at the 12th.
I like zero frets, but few makers use then.
Strings high at the nut really mess things up. All those things undermined my confidence in my formative days.
Get a C chord to sound good, and the D would be muddy. I thought it was me.
There are no wall phones left. What was a dial tone? B flat as I recall. My 440 fork turned out to be 442.
Guitars and gear are better and cheaper now! Not to mention the huge amount of choices.
Strings are far far better. This is my understatement of the day.
How much blood did we leave on 'Black Diamonds' ?
Windings fell off, killing fretts.
@@davebooth5847 To this day, when restringing, I some times try going to the wrong octave. Woops. Strings are so good now, they can often take it.
Great tips Mark. Thank you. As I've mentioned before the JIM DUNLOP Delrin®, Light Pink, .46mm pick works great!
Your comments about attitude, determination and insistence on getting all the notes to ring are the most valuable pieces of advice for me.
Great tips.. Tuning down really helps the action and voice... Think Nirvana did this?
Mark: Sorry to hear about the family member. Now I know why I haven't seen a video from you for a while. I've let myself get too busy with my business and have let my practice slide. Your videos are a reminder that I need to pick up my guitar more often.
Hey Bob. I'm thinking about doing a video about how anybody can reinvent his or herself as a guitarist. I was a mediocre professional guitarist who toured and was in one of the 1000s of bands that had a legit shot (albeit a long one!) and then personal struggles derailed me. From 2008 until 2014 I didn't pick the guitar up at all. In 2015 I decided that I wanted to be a good player and I started practicing for at least 2 hours everyday. In 2019 I quit my day job to give music a go for the 3rd time in my life. Quit grad school (temporarily) in 1995 (age 24) to pursue music full time. I did it again in 2003 (age 32) and then again in 2019 (age 48). I never thought my career would be peaking at age 50. You never know....
@@8MinuteAxe I learned to play guitar in the 60s and then didn't touch one for years until I found a deal on a 12-string Martin that I couldn't pass up. As far as careers go, I have had several of them, and at almost 76 I am self-employed and enjoying every day running my business. It keeps me physically and mentally active. By the way, I am just short of 1,000 subs on my channel but still need to build up the watch hours to become monetized.
I have recently purchased a Vangoa 12 string acoustic/electric and discovered subtle differences from basic 6 string acoustic. Picking is different when going up, angle needs to be flatter to be sure of striking both strings.
Hi Mark, good 2 see u
I will be on this page every day until I learn to be a pro just like you
How do you like your 562 ce , I love mine nice compression as well as mids.found an old Taylor 750 , going to the luthier for its neck reset and new nut and sadle. Hope she jumps back to life.
Mark - when flatpicking on the 12, do you mostly favor down-picking or do you just use the same alternate picking approach as you would on a six string?
Keep mixing it up.
Circle picking is cool.
Keep in mind some guitars have the primary string on the bottom, some (like Rickys) have the primary on top.
This changes things.
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@kingrobert1st I have a spruce/rosewood Taylor Grand Orchestra supersized Jumbo 12 string, and it has a great balanced sound. Mark was playing on a much smaller Grand Concert size, which may account somewhat for that. But I think too many people hear Taylor=treble, and it becomes gospel. Not true! I have a Taylor 6 string short-scale spruce/rosewood Grand Concert and it has a beautiful sound with plenty of bass presence. And also a 6 string spruce/rosewood Grand Orchestra that boomed too much. Had to put on Light gauge bass strings. I also fingerpick all my instruments using my nails as picks.
Allman Brothers, Melissa. You can do it.
And most importantly don’t forget to wear a proper hat👍🤩
So...I used to wear baseball hats all the time (I'm still a big baseball fan but I used to be a baseball junkie) and I would wear a fedora from time to time. Then at the NAMM show last year I was surprised that several people recognized me so I thought, I need some kind of trademark hat or glasses. I went through about 6 before I found what I was looking for. Something modern looking, not too cowboy, but not too serious either. I always wonder how people come about wearing cowboy hats or fedoras. I do wear it around the house fairly often so that way I don't feel like a phony when I shoot a video. How's that for honesty. :)
Great tips as usual #winaguitar
Your first tip was my first question.
I'm restringing my 12 tonight it's a 2000 Gibson epiphone that has the most beautiful tone especially recorded. Neil Young believes the cheap epiphones sound better than expensive guitars recorded.
Mark, when I Capo the girl, I fine tune her to the capo. If not she lets me know it by sounding like an ally cat at midnight.
Hello Mark, been playing 12 strings since the 60s. I also use a double pass system of tuning, to D#, but always the octave g string last. I noticed you used the William Tell Overture (Lone Ranger) for the tuning schtick. There is a youtube video out there of Glen Campbell playing that on an electric 12 string with a full orchestra back-up. Worth the hunt. Be well and play well.
Found it: th-cam.com/video/GUBhE00h9U0/w-d-xo.html
Can someone please put me out of my misery! What’s the opening intro song , I’m racking my brain< but it just won’t come to me 😂😂😂
I won't subscribe. But, it wasn't bad. I've been a lover of the 12 string for 45 years.
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Thanks for sharing. Not many share tips on here for twelve string guitar so this is good and very important. Personally I had to move over to open G tuning on my old German Framus 12 string cause of a bad pain in my left hand. With open G tuning and a slide tube (made of glass) you can get some really cool sounds. Like this -> th-cam.com/video/gha9F5RbmmU/w-d-xo.htmlsi=3lkyvlf5Q4edRmtj I hope I did not post this before I think I did not. Thanks and keep up the good work
I have a pair of '60s Framus axes.
A 6 and a 12. both arch tops.
Excellent for slide!
A thin pick will not get me very far.
The lightest I consider is a 71. My standard is a 88. A 1 is called for at times.
Atack pressure, angle of attack and aditude, all take considerable practice.
A 71 wouln't get me out of the bed room.
I seldome break a string.
Most of my 12s have 10s these days.
Only two are at concert pitch. A 440.
Both are new Squire Jazzmaster 12s, with carbon fiber reinforcement
The D 12 28 goes there. As does my dad's '69 Yamaha, when called for.
My Guild J with two trusrods has no trouble up there, but at a whole step lower, it sound like church.
I will use different picks to influence EQ. Here, I use different materials, before changing weights.
The concept of a lite pick, here, is not wrong. I have sugested the same thing in the learning curve.
Hey capo up high, with a glassey thin pick, grab a beer under a shade tree. Don't forget to stop counting time and listen for the decay.
It ain't a banjo.
Yes those down stroke arpegios.
You buy a nice ax, let it do it's thing.
Listen, don't worry about forcing you self it to a mold.
Chris
Hey Chris. You sound very passionate about guitar. That's awesome. It's funny how some people get all worked up like we're talking world politics. I just read a thread of people dumping on a popular guitar youtuber. The one thing they forget is the phenomenal amount of work involved. And you have to be passionate and dedicated because most of us had to make at least 50 videos before we got more than 20 views. I thought I knew what I was getting into. It's 10 times as much work as I expected. Thank god I decided to make guitar videos. :)
@@8MinuteAxe Thanks.
And thanks for your work.
Any thing 12 string catches my attention.
You do a good job, and for sure folks benefit from your effort.
I admit to having an attitude. One thing I do is continually check my self.
Like the rabbit hole of picks.
Yikes!
So many things can become tangents, chewing up time.
I went and looked at the maine axes I am using. Tucked in the guitars are mainly .71s, This surprised me. Tucked in the ones that get played out are .88s, .96s and 1.s. I found some Clayton .63s handy.
The material makes a huge difference.
Back from the day, we had actual tortoise shell, and early plastics would shatter.
Even the size of picks were all over the place. I note Claytons are big.
I do a lot of muting around the pick.
Some times the pick is barely sticking out. When warmed up, it is possible to choose just the prime string or the octave. I made the mistake of taking a 12, one Sunday morning to a blue grass festival. I managed to stick to the primes.
By lunch, I was running home to get a six!
That was 25 years ago. That event improved my right hand.
It seems you keep your sub divisions on the guitar. That is a good thing.
I found my self sitting and stamping both feet. John Hammond Sr. caught me. He said to stop that, and put it all on the guitar. I guess his son John jr. did not take that advice! I did.
If you are considering an electric, now is a good time. Squire made a limited run of Jazzmaster 12s. The build is fantastic, the price unbelievable.
~ $450.00 at Sweetwater.
I play one in the middle of the night, unplugged.
It needes nothing, save the string retainer is too agressive and binds some. I put in a treb pass on the volume, it works in any amp I have.
It capos like a dream.
Thanks again for you content.
Keep the faith. Chris
#Wina12string
"Pleasant Valley Sunday" was not played on a 12-String.
The original was three LPs but Mike used his Gretsch falcon 12 to play it live on both the 67 and 68 tours If that ruined the video for you I'm sorry.
I have heard it that way.
Check out Pete Seger's 'The Bells of Rumey'
@@8MinuteAxe that's a Les Paul on the record? Interesting. Always thought the riff had a hollow-body sound to it.
@@8MinuteAxe every time I went to see The Monkees or Micky solo, the guitar player usually played the riff on a Strat in a quack pickup position. Always drove me nuts. 😆
Follow-up to #7: you spend half your time tuning and the other half playing out of tune…
Pete Seeger. I'm sure I'm out of tune most of the time. I gave up trying to come to grips with the fact that it's a tempered instrument years ago. Luckily, I'm not that good where it really matters. :)
Been kicking around getting a 12 string well ever since I saw one of your 12 string videos. Guess it’s time to buy one.
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Great comments about finger placement and sometimes the basics. It occured to me that in watching professional sports multi-million dollar athletes run the same basic drills or are still in the outfield shagging fly balls. There is no substitute for good dedicated practice. If there is please let me know.
Hey Dennis. I don't know. I see all of these ads that tell me I've been doing it wrong and that it's much easier than people think. It's funny, I'm sure you've seen the bald guy that advertises like crazy. I bought his course 5 years ago (It was worth the $29 just to see what it was). It's literally 10 lessons that are exactly what everybody teaches for the first 10 lessons. The best part is...after scrolling...and scrolling...and scrolling, reading about how it's REVOLUTIONARY, BREAKTHROUGH, unlike ANY other course, as soon as I purchased it...he tried to upsell me! That's right. I hit the buy button and I got IF YOU REALLY WANT TO LEARN HOW TO PLAY you should buy my upgraded course. LMAO.
I'm looking for my first 12 string . Looking for a good used one but there is nothing around that is in good condition .
I gave it serious consideration about getting a Vangoa , but all the sources for the 12 string are sold out .
I guesd I'll just keep watching for a good used one to surface .
BTW ..... G R E A T Tips for the 12 string . .
As much as I'm not a huge fan of their customer service, you can't beat Guitar Center's used guitar collection. They have a 45 day return policy and many times they have cheaper prices than you can get stuff for on reverb. This guitar is supposed to be excellent for the money www.guitarcenter.com/Used/Yamaha/FG420-12-12-String-Acoustic-Guitar.gc?cntry=us&source=4WWRWXGP&gad_source=1&gclid=CjwKCAjwoPOwBhAeEiwAJuXRh2KjGAi4hYrLxMSC2kbUzu6GmZE8rLsbk2gOmczDOTwXTlA_-Rym5xoClWgQAvD_BwE. Please know that I'm not affiliated with them in any way, this is not an affiliate link, and I have no stake as to whether you decide to pull the trigger or not. I did a quick look around for you and I think this is a good deal. Let me know what you end up doing and how you make out. Please take care. Mark
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I Really appreciate the feedback Mark. Thanks sooo much .
And thanks for the link. Very much appreciated .
I could be wrong , ... but the strings don't quite look right for some reason . Maybe it's an opportunity waiting ! ?
Thanks again .
actually, i don't mind tuning! i have two 12ers and two double-neckers, so, that's a good thing haha! and indeed using a thin pick is the only way to go for me, certainly. i think i just figured that out on my own, from experience. keep the great content coming, mark! love from canada! 😊 Ps - great shirt!
Sounding Great Mark!! Id love to see/hear a video on John Paul Jones' twelve string work.
Hope your world is good.
Great advice! I have a recently purchased 12 string Guild that I love to play, great sound, but I've been using it like my 6 string - I need to step up my approach. Thank you again.
Hey Bruno. Thanks so much for checking out the video and for your kind words. I really appreciate your time and comment. Guild makes great guitars. It seems like every guy I know who's been playing for at least 30 years has an old 70s Guild in the arsenal. So underrated. Especially their 12-strings. Take care and enjoy the rest of your week. -Mark
Another great video, Mark. It’s fun to see you tear it up on a 12!
I just happened upon a thread of all these guys tearing into Rhett Shull. The one thing none of them realizes is that it's a ton of work. 10 times as much as I figured it would be and I went in with my eyes open. And, it's entertainment. People can't wait to correct a mistake, tell you how great they are, how much they know, how their opinion is actually fact. Anybody with even a shred of self awareness should realize that it's literally impossible to come off like anything but an ass when offering any of the aforementioned. It doesn't bother me because I realized a long time ago that 99% of the time the comment has more to do with the commenter than with me. Most of the time when somebody is overly critical, I just feel a sense of sadness for that person. I've been doing this for 30 years and I've yet to meet a great musician who puts down other musicians. :)
This is mostly for beginners but to your 12 string guitar down one whole step and then put a capo on the second fret you’ll be in standard tuning and it’s much easier to finger 12 strings there’s not as much tension and your strength will last longer
Hey PJS. For sure that's a great tip and are usually included when I do these types of videos I believe it's in this video as well. I have most of my guitars to the standard and having the short scale Taylor and a couple other pretty nice 12 strings the action is good and they're pretty easy to play. But for sure with my entry-level and even mid priced guitars, it's hard to get great action and tuning down really helps. It also brings out the richness of the bottom end if you're more of a stronger than a picker. Thanks so much for checking out the video. I appreciate your time and your comment. Oh I almost forgot it will definitely last longer take care and be well. Mark.
One great thing about 12 strings is, you don't change strings as often, if ever. Not because you don't have to, just...because.
Excellent work!
Another video full of great tips, Thanks Mark! And the Rok-loks rock!
Hey Mark, excellent video and thanks for the tips.
Well done, and let's add on tip #9: Learn from the 12-string master from the early '60s: Dick Rosmini
At a gig I broke a string on my Les Paul; so I grabbed my back-up Ovation solid body 12-string. It sounded so well (and was a lot of fun!) that I finished the set with it rather than going back to the 6-string!
An incredibly helpful video. I especially like the donut tip. I tend to play my six string guitars more often.
My biggest 12 string challenge is barre chords.
"Most of us start off learning great technique until we've reached enough proficiency to be lazy." Great quote.
Hey Mark thankyou mate your videos are an awesome source of knowledge and inspiration.
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Great tips....
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So good to hear someone sing the praises of the 12-string guitar. I think it is not being used enough. I love the sound of it. It is really harder to play, though, as you pointed out with the "donut" tip.
Hey Kees. I've done about 120 videos on the 12 string (a little more than half the videos on the channel). I've thrown myself into it completely. I'm even learning Wabash Cannonball on the 12. About 1/4 of the speed of Buster B Jones. LOL. Thanks so much. Mark
Some good tips overall, but to say someone is playing 12 string the wrong way if they don’t play it like you, especially in ALL CAPS! Is wrong and misleading
It’s music, yu can be different, so instead write something like they may not be doing things that will give them the full benefit of a 12 string. Yes to break the rules, it helps to know the rules, but there’s still a ton of leeway.
Picks for example. A thin pick might work well for some, and sure, give it a try.
But it won’t be the best option for everyone
I have used thin and medium picks, too floppy for my liking
I play much better no matter the instrument, style, or genre, with a heavy pick or with thumb/fingers
Try it all, develop your own style
I've never even remotely intimated that the guitar should be played the way I play it. I bet at least 25% of my videos contain some remark about how pedestrian my playing is. I have several lessons on here in which I encourage developing your own style and when it comes to 12-string playing, I always joke about the savant like quality of playing that some old timers get out of a Rickenbacker. I play mostly fingerstyle and rarely use a thin pick when I play the acoustic 12. I don't know what you're referring to regarding capital letters but if you know anything about youtube and how difficult it is to even get views on one video, you'll know that there are certain things we all must do to survive. This is how I feed my family. And I grind. I don't accept money for reviews even though at my current size I would get between $600 and $800 per video. I don't do patreon because I don't want to charge viewers to watch or to unlock stuff. Instead I grind. I gig. I teach. I write. I play sessions (sessions are rare because I'm not very good). I've made a good living doing this for the better part of 25 years, and I've never put the burden on the fans. Everybody thinks they know best. When I did my top 5 campfire songs video, do you know how many comments I got that said "the list is crap if you don't include ....." The list would have to be 300 songs long to satisfy people. It's easy to sit on the other side and pass judgement. Put yourself out there. I think you'll be surprised at just how much work it is to do this. And on top of everything else it takes to be a youtuber, when you're a performer you have to nail parts on top of everything else.
@@8MinuteAxe from your own words:
The reason that many guitar players can't justify buying a 12-string is because the players that do own one...ARE PLAYING IT THE WRONG WAY!
That’s the all caps.
I understand the work and standing out, etc. I am not a TH-camr, but understand the idea, if not from direct experience.
The video does have some good info. It’s some of the the presentation and message.
My comment was directed more at the thin pick being a must, and the ALL CAPS WRONG WAY message
It would be more helpful to suggest using a thin pick and seeing how that goes. I have been through that. A heavy pick works best for me. But that doesn’t mean it works best for everyone
I have taught guitar, and would coach students in that manner, and they learned to figure things out, be experimental, etc, and also were more likely to try things the “correct” way, even if they wound up doing it differently in the end.
I did check out other videos and will check out ones in the future
And again, did appreciate the video.
I think you’ve done more than anyone else to whet my appetite and sustain my appreciation for both acoustic and electric 12-string. These are great, practical tips, and also encouraging inasmuch as they validate the difficulties I find when playing. It’s nice to know these things are normal. I will say I find I don’t like the tone or feel of thinner picks. However, it highlights one of the benefits you listed because this forces an even greater amount of precision. The only thing I would add for tips is to make explicit what’s implied in what you present: consciously *savor* the unique beauty of the 12-string. Lose yourself in the beauty and richness that come even with playing simple things. This perspective, along with the notable benefits once playing on 6-string again, will help motivate past the challenges inherent to 12-string.
Man those Taylors have way too much treble response. Totally out of balance. Dreadful guitars.
I have a spruce/rosewood Taylor Grand Orchestra supersized Jumbo 12 string, and it has a great balanced sound. Mark was playing on a much smaller Grand Concert size, which may account somewhat for that. But I think too many people hear Taylor=treble, and it becomes gospel. Not true! I have a Taylor 6 string short-scale spruce/rosewood Grand Concert and it has a beautiful sound with plenty of bass presence. And also a 6 string spruce/rosewood Grand Orchestra that booms too much. Had to put on Light gauge bass strings. I also fingerpick all my instruments using my nails as picks.
I've found Taylors to be very consistent but I know other people that aren't Taylor fans. As far as taking anything from the sound in this video or any video on youtube, I don't recommend it. I used the mic on my phone to record because my recorder died, then it goes through three stages of compression before it gets uploaded to TH-cam where it gets whacked again. The amount of MBs that youtube allots to the audio is less than an mp3. Lastly, this is a concert size with ex light strings. I use it for fingerstyle. Check out a Taylor 755 jumbo. It's about as big a sound as they come. Thanks for your long time support and thanks for making some interesting discussion. Mark
I'm very proud of my perfectly grown thumb nail. FINALLY. This is my 50th attempt at least!! Lol
I have not liked the necks.
They will cut in to a mix, Ovations are good at that.
Nothing thunders like a S body Martin.
@@don6538those jumbos have magic.