you all should do a video concept where you order 1-2 parts a week until you get everything you need to build a decent mid to top tier PC. I've not seen anything else on TH-cam that really fits that genre I feel like all I see is OptiPlex 300$ low end builds and 500$ low end prebuilds. I along with others would benefit from seeing an example of building a decent mid-range to a top tier pc for 6-800$ but over a span of time only spending roughly 125 a week. I feel like you could showcase the benefits of slowly building something better rather than rushing to buy a prebuild or building something incapable of running new titles well. the time between each order would even give plenty of time to research compatibly between each part among other benefits. love the content and hope this is seen by someone on the team. I don't want idea credit, I'm just happy to benefit from the information id learn.
Could you ship me a gaming pc to Jamaica for 250 usd that's all I can afford and I have been saving for one all my life I want to be a gamer before I die please let me know @toasty bros🙏
Yes lol i struggled having uncapped fps on a i5 6500 now i got an am4 board budget ofc with a ryzen 5 4600g overclocked to 4.40ghz and j dont suffer amymore lol @Cheesh44474
I agree that budget PCs or older PCs for that matter can be fine. Until last month I 'rocked' a 7th gen I7, 32 GB DDR3 ram, GTX 960 (4 GB version) and an 'old school' 1 TB HDD. It was fine for the most part. That being said, upgrading to an i7 13700K, 64 GB DDR5 ram, RTX 4060ti, 2 TB SSD was eye opening. Yes, if you are on a budget then a lower end PC will not be total crap, spending some money on your PC, if you can, is also worth it. I think the most important lesson to take out of it all is: don't think you NEED a high end PC to do what you want. Yes, it will be smoother on a higher end system but there are also diminishing returns. For the average user the difference between a 1.5K dollar/euro PC versus a 4K dollar/euro PC is pretty small. The difference between a 500 dollar/euro and a 1.5K dollar/euro PC will be really noticeable.
The difference between a $200 or $300 budget special and a $600 or $800 rig can make a huge difference. The budget specials around here tend to make me cringe.
@@thebaronaa7739 Could be it was already DDR4 to be honest. When I typed specs yesterday, I assumed it was DDR3 back when I bought that PC , as DDR4 is still pretty current for budget builds. I can't really check as I gave my old pc away :P
@@Conumdrum Yeah, you are right there. PCs below a certain budget should, in general, be avoided as they will probably lead to feel bad moments. There is a reason I eventually got rid of my old PC and those 200/300 dollar builds seem to have worse specs than my old build had.
@@thebaronaa7739 im pretty sure 7th gen was the transition gen for ddr4, kinda like it is now with ddr4 and ddr5 motherboards, and they supported ddr3 and ddr4
I'm really living in the budget, I have a STG Aubron pc that I bought a week ago. 1660ti I7 4790K. @Toasty bros, you guys should try a new challenge to make the more budget pc out of the two of you.
I just DOWNGRADED to a very "special", custom built, delidded i7-4790K w/Liquid Metal, Gigabyte GA-Z97X-UD5H-BK, Corsair 4x8GB 2,400Mhz RAM, and an EVGA 1080Ti FTW3. The theme is Gold/Black (U.S. Army colors). Still haven't finished installing all of my APPS. But, so far, it's really impressive. QUESTION: I also have another i7-4790K, on a junk H-series board. Do you recommend the 1660Ti GPU?, considering that lower tier board only supports 1,600Mhz RAM?
Keep it up. You guys inspired me to get an Optiplex with a 7700 in it. Dropped in a 1650 single slot and am using it as a streaming rig to 3 different site simultaneously. Can't beat a sub $300 PC that gives that much service.
I like seeing how older hardware holds up to current workloads. Lately, I have been testing old HP 8200 SFF system with a core i7-2600 (4 core 8 thread), 16GB of DDR3, a 120 GB SATA SSD and a 1 TB spinning 3.5" drive for storage/games and an old (but much newer than the HP) Dell SFF with a core i5-6500T CPU (4 cores only), 8GB of DDR3 (apparently 1st & 2nd gen skylake supported DDR3 and DDR4) , a 250 GB SATA SSD and a 2 TB spinning laptop drive for bulk storage and games. The only low pro GPU I have is an Nvidia GT 730 2GB so that's what I used in both systems for games testing. I knew none of the newer games I tested would play well and I was right, but what it told me was that in terms of FPS in Fortnite, Deep Rock Galactic and Generation Zero, the Core i5-6500T was essentially the same as the i7-2600. I need to test some older titles to see if the older i7 pulls ahead because of hyper-threading or if the CPU's will be on par still because of architectural advances with the skylake i5. Having them both on DDR3-1600 puts both systems on an even playing field.
Yeah, I agree that a 200 dollar PC is maybe going a bit too low budget. I also think they intentionally were a bit too positive at the end. The 8GB ram really made video editing impossible and having to play on all minimal settings just have any decent gameplay is going a bit overboard. In general they are right though: a budget PC doesn't need to be the worst thing ever.
I have 4 z409's on a shelf as backups for my file server... I haven't actually had to swap it out in almost 8yrs. I imagine I'll have a file server still running after im gone.
So I’ve built 2 computers so far, 1st one for 2500$ i7-13700k, 4070ti, 32gb ddr5 5600mhz, 1tb, 1000watt Corsair psu. The 2nd one I built was 700$ which consists of Ryzen 9 5900x, 2080ti, 2tb ssd, 850x Corsair’s psu. (Some parts was bought off a buddy at work). But it does about the same as my 2500$ build.
I like this type of content where Matt and Jackson talk to the viewers and show a glimpse of what their workdays look like. It's a nice change of pace from their usual content.
I've been using a Ryzen 5 1600 and a RX 570 4GB for a few years, now I managed to find a Ryzen 5 5600 for dirt cheap so I'm upgrading my CPU. Only thing left to upgrade is the GPU, so I'm hunting for something used and cheap. Is a gtx 1660 super still decent for 1080p gaming? I've seen them go for like 70 euros
@@evanh5050 The 6600 goes for around 220 euros new and 150 used over here unfortunately - but thanks for the recommendation, I’ll see if I can snipe a good deal on it
I just build a pc and here are the specs I5 12400f (110) H610 msi (60) 1tb nvme (75) Circle dual loop air cooler (20) Msi mag 650w (60) Zebronics itx case (50) Evm ram 2x16 (40) Rx 6750xt (250) Acer 1080p monitor(60) Accesories around 50 bucks I could not get the 5600 cuz it cost around 170$ and b550 cost around 110$ so i had to get intel.. I was trying to pair it with arc a750 but the rx 6750 xt appeared out of nowhere with a crazy discount and its 1440p but its okay and i could not turn it down that price....it usually cost over 300$...The whole build costed 770 dollars and ill sell it for like 1200$
Great Video and when hooking them up i think yall accidentally came up with a fire video idea of "how much do the peripherals vs pc matter?" Maybe try some way to test that. Like a $1400 total setup budget. Try $1200pc+$200 peripherals vs $1100+$300 vs $1000+400. That sounds like a fire concept maybe do a sequel with a lower overall budget. Just set up each set up at your store, and get customers to try them out and get opinions for a decent sample size.
Just fyi, I run an Intel 9900K (not able to unlock/overclock though due to motherboard) with noctua cooler, an asrock B365M-HDV motherboard, 32gb ddr4 ram, a nvme 2tb ssd (os system drive) , (plus one 1tb sata SSD, and 2 hard drives (one 1tb, and one 500gb for pure long term storage), and a gtx 1660Ti graphics card....I only play Fortnight, World Of Warcraft, Doom all versions, Final Fantasy VIII, and the new Harry Potter. And for all my needs this seems to do just fine...I think everything but the graphics card will last me several years...I am not big on needing ray tracing...it is kinda like gilding the lilly to me frankly. Here is a question is it worth it upgrading to the RTX 4000 series for the price or just stick with what I got???
honestly I would stick with what you got for now and save up. Only upgrading the GPU might make your system unbalanced and depending on what RTX 4000 card you are looking at, you could build a whole pretty decent PC for the price of some of the more expensive ones.
@@Morrodin-WH40Klol 4060 wont be bottleneck by i9 9900k. It is a pretty capable cpu it could even handle 4070 especially if he will be playing at 1440p, you dont always have to make everything new when what he has is still pretty capable
Depending on your FUTURE use case... First, do you have a HIGH (180Hz - 240Hz) refresh rate monitor? If not, buy that first. Second, have you considered an EVGA 1080Ti FTW3? I have TWO of them. If you can find one in mint condition, they are a perfect match for an i9-9900K, and they won't break the bank. At this point, a 4xxx Series GPU will cost more than your entire computer.
@@RaffyART1995 Hence I said 'depending on what RTX 4000 card' ;) ... there is also 4070 Ti and above, which I do think you will not get the most out of, if you keep your current CPU. It would of course work fine but be a potential waste of money. Anyway just my few cents, feel free to disagree
You lads brave. I would have a hard time giving up my rig. But... in my work office, I have to endure old office PCs, and for work related tasks, it is completely fine.... I wouldn't play HL Alyx on those though 🤣🤣
I used to edit videos on a ryzen 1700x with a rx 480 4gb, 16gb ram. I did have a 1tb sata ssd to run davinci resolve but saved my files to a 4tb hard drive once i was done with the video. Upgrading to 32gb 3200mhz cl16 ram did improve my performance in some ways. I was only editing 1080p content so it did the job fine. I remember when Matt bought that computer and he assumed it was a better cpu just because its a xeon lol. Would love to see these PCs upgraded for even more content and show if these upgrades actually did what you believed they would do.
You really can't pretend not to be disappointed if you already driving a Lamborghini and then you regress back into a 90's model of Toyota Corolla as your daily wheel, that's what this video is all about.
do this same video but with fx cpus like a fx8320 that is one thing they did pretty good was multitasking I know it probably wouldn't be a budget build but would make a good video I think.
HP Z440 is still a little piece of decent computer, but: 1. Use 4x4GB sticks to use quad channel, 2. use Xeon e 1650 V4 a fast and with enough core even in now days and a decent graphic card (personal i use Radeon rx 6700 XT) and you have a low to medium speed PC witg potence to play triple a games al 60 and high FPS. I love tis PC and i could tell you much about H440 ;-)
Are these specs good for the price. (Main game is r6). I7-4770. 2x8gb 1600mghz Gtx1060 6gb. Vida lite 500w. Stock cooler. Without case-$265. With case-$315
I mean it's totally fine, for you guys to use high end PC. All who talk about budget systems never use the systems that they made they always use the high end systems sponsors gave them. I have the same thing happen to me back then when I was selling PCs I always maximize the cx budget, but that doesn't mean I need to use a $500 pc. It's pretty obvious that for a low budget there's not much you can do on it, while people who work using the PC need the leeway of better specs for my case I needed a good cpu, gpu, and storage since back then I was taking photos of models and venues and I keep the raw files which takes up about 30mb per photo needs alot of storage, and the rendering and editing also needs good specs.
It would be considered old mostly :P ... it most likely was a mid-range build when you bought it and it will still work pretty decent but it is nowhere near to what is being sold new today.
To be fair, the Xeon build has better CPU options with plenty of 6c12t or 8c16t CPUs for literally pennies on the pound. ECC RAM is not expensive either. Maybe $50 extra would make that totally useable
Neither one of you were satisfied with the performance of these bottom dweller computers. You both recommend upgrades they would require for your needs. No surprises here.
You can easily grab a computer like these. And swap 1-3 things and get 3x the performance. It's a baseline for starting into PC's If your not looking to break the bank and would like to start smaller. Obviously they recommend upgrades they would do. Because they have been using computers for years. And have daily tasks that require more performance. But for a basic PC to play older or less demanding games. And to do some production on. This is a great start.
I am intimately familiar with those Xeon HP Z-series towers and they are hot garbage. We've been replacing them with sub-$300 Ryzen mini pcs for office and production users and the performance difference is very noticeable. For gaming, used office pcs can still be somewhat viable due to dedicated GPU support (as long as the bottleneck isn't too bad), but for everything else even a budget mini pc will provide a much better experience.
Monetech Air 100 Ryzen 3 4300G Team Group 3600MHZ. No GPU. OEM Dell computer PSU... everything's been working fine for a year. I get to play my game at medium settings getting 45 FPS.. 15 sec boot time, snappy windows response.. I'm satisfied.. If I had money I'd buy a GPU. but I don't.
oh and I sit in a low arm chair and use my coffee table as a desk and my 40' LG tv from 2012 as a monitor. I can't put my knees under my coffee table. my knees sit higher than the table. I game like this
800 - 1300 is what I see people build a pc for as an average. You could have done a used build too. 200 dollar build is silly. You can get a micro PC for that. Also, should spec a pc for your workload that is the lowest cost. That would be a real video.
This video is kind of ridiculous. How did they find a Z440 with less than 6 cores? Spend $10 and get an e5-1650 v3 that overclocks to 4.5-4.7 GHz. $8 for another 8 gigs. I know people who are still doing video editing professionally on Z440s....albeit with killer 24gb quadros 256gb ram.
i have an i7 4770K and an gtx 1650 its okay but dying, iam upgrading to an i9 9900K and an GTX 1080 TI or an Titan XP i dont need new stuff they are all not worth
Hey toasty bros I was wondering if you could help me out with my pc upgrade and tell me what I need to upgrade some things I already know I need to upgrade but I would like your opinion on what I should get I want to run all games at 1080p high to medium settings at atleast 60 fps or higher, my specs are, motherboard Intel Dp67bg, cpu Intel i7- 2700k 3.5 ghz, 32 gb ddr3 ram, gpu Nvidia gtx 1060 6 gb, ssd 224 gb Kingston, hdd 932 gb ST1000dm010, Thanks
I see your a cable management expert under your table just as i am..haha To be honest , i recently got a 6th gen PC, and i dont know how anyone does anything on it, like Video editing, and Coming from AM3 with a FX8150 Fake Eight Cores is so much better
Until mid July of 2024, I was on 7700k and RTX 2070 and it was fine. Even to this point of time that pc was good and can be called a budget pc. If I had a TPM module on the motherboard I wouldn't probably made a new pc at all just to upgrade to Windows 11. I did it so when the support ends and people scramble next year, I'm not paying premium for parts cause we might see some stuff sold out with people trying to upgrade. Oh yeah I had 24 GB of ram on that old build cause I originally had an Aorus mobo from Gigabyte that broke within a month of me building the rig and I bought an extra 8gb to test if it was the ram that was broken, nope it was the shitty Gigabyte motherboard. Even back in 2017 Gigabyte was shit. So before I sent that to be RMA'ed I did the test and when I bought a new mobo to replace it, I just put both the 16 and 8 gb on that. I specifically bought the same MT and CL cause I knew I was gonna do that. So yeah 24gb ram in 2017 was good.
Decided to join in on this lol, My main rig (bit older now but still great) -ryzen 7 5700x -amd rx 6800xt 16gb -128gb 3600mhz ddr4 -2tb samsunng nvme (boot drive/programs) -6x4tb ssds (games ..lots and lots of games) -10x4tb spinners (mostly anime, blueray movies etc) Pc is 10% gaming 90% work stuff Now the ..downgrade 😂 Lenovo thinkcentre m900 tiny.. 32gb 2400mhz ddr4 I7 6700t 1tb nvme boot drive 2tb sata ssd "bulk storage" Intel hd 530 Surprisingly I ran a few emulators as a joke and it'll run ps2/xbox and older with little to no fuss.. now I happened to have the ram+ssds in a drawer so I don't remeber their cost, but the i7 6700t was $30 and the lenovo unit with a power cable was $70 (ps this is Australian dollars)
I'm running mostly used parts in my pc, the gpu, psu and storage are new everything else is used from ebay lol it's a ryzen 5 7600 with 32gb 6000mhz ram and a 7900gre
You guys should've debloated that 8gb ram PC just to have a little more room to breathe. Sitting at over 5gb of ram doing nothing is too much. It should've been at 2 to 3 gigs max.
I personally would like to see more of the "affordable", and "unique" builds you show on you tube actually show up on your own web site for sale. Your site has a plethora of high end over 1,000 bucks builds, and then a few super affordable office builds, but not a large amount of mid range, mid price, mid performance at 500 to 1000 bucks builds (and "not a lot mid range builds" is saying it mildly)...Mid levels I am sure would sell too boys...just saying.
depends what you define as high end ofc. I got a new PC recently which is higher mid-tier specs wise. afaik it isn't because I need to compensate for anything really. It is more that I buy a new PC now and then will rock it for 5+ years. (my old PC was 7 or 8 years old I belief)
After 30 years in IT, my primary gaming computer at home is an i7-4790K w/Liquid Metal, 4x8GB DDR3 2,400Mhz, and an EVGA 1080Ti FTW3. I have an i9-9900K system. But, it isn't the showpiece that my i7-4790K is. 😏😏😏
hopefully you guys don't showcase The Finals when benchmarking performance. there is not a lot of people playing that game, not even me. the player count is not even around team fortress 2, and not even beating left 4 dead 2, and its not at the top 100 games by player count.
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you all should do a video concept where you order 1-2 parts a week until you get everything you need to build a decent mid to top tier PC. I've not seen anything else on TH-cam that really fits that genre I feel like all I see is OptiPlex 300$ low end builds and 500$ low end prebuilds. I along with others would benefit from seeing an example of building a decent mid-range to a top tier pc for 6-800$ but over a span of time only spending roughly 125 a week. I feel like you could showcase the benefits of slowly building something better rather than rushing to buy a prebuild or building something incapable of running new titles well. the time between each order would even give plenty of time to research compatibly between each part among other benefits. love the content and hope this is seen by someone on the team. I don't want idea credit, I'm just happy to benefit from the information id learn.
jawa says it doesnt ship to Canada 😢
i had a question at 0:14 what is that animated wallpaper in the background and is it from Pokémon emerald called and where did you get it from
Could you ship me a gaming pc to Jamaica for 250 usd that's all I can afford and I have been saving for one all my life I want to be a gamer before I die please let me know @toasty bros🙏
This was one of my favorite videos that you guys have done in a long time. I love everything you do but this one was above and beyond for me.
My laptop strugles to take a screenshot while im gaming
same my old laptop with a i 5 6th gen
Maybe a ram issue, my laptop also struggles. Good specs but they juked me with 8 gbs of ram
@@TherealBlackheart yea
bro i struggle getting 60 fps in runescape🤣
Yes lol i struggled having uncapped fps on a i5 6500 now i got an am4 board budget ofc with a ryzen 5 4600g overclocked to 4.40ghz and j dont suffer amymore lol @Cheesh44474
This was actually a really cool idea for a video. Love the vids.
I agree that budget PCs or older PCs for that matter can be fine. Until last month I 'rocked' a 7th gen I7, 32 GB DDR3 ram, GTX 960 (4 GB version) and an 'old school' 1 TB HDD. It was fine for the most part. That being said, upgrading to an i7 13700K, 64 GB DDR5 ram, RTX 4060ti, 2 TB SSD was eye opening. Yes, if you are on a budget then a lower end PC will not be total crap, spending some money on your PC, if you can, is also worth it.
I think the most important lesson to take out of it all is: don't think you NEED a high end PC to do what you want. Yes, it will be smoother on a higher end system but there are also diminishing returns. For the average user the difference between a 1.5K dollar/euro PC versus a 4K dollar/euro PC is pretty small. The difference between a 500 dollar/euro and a 1.5K dollar/euro PC will be really noticeable.
The difference between a $200 or $300 budget special and a $600 or $800 rig can make a huge difference. The budget specials around here tend to make me cringe.
How do you get a 7th gen I7 to run DDR3 ram?
@@thebaronaa7739 Could be it was already DDR4 to be honest. When I typed specs yesterday, I assumed it was DDR3 back when I bought that PC , as DDR4 is still pretty current for budget builds. I can't really check as I gave my old pc away :P
@@Conumdrum Yeah, you are right there. PCs below a certain budget should, in general, be avoided as they will probably lead to feel bad moments. There is a reason I eventually got rid of my old PC and those 200/300 dollar builds seem to have worse specs than my old build had.
@@thebaronaa7739 im pretty sure 7th gen was the transition gen for ddr4, kinda like it is now with ddr4 and ddr5 motherboards, and they supported ddr3 and ddr4
I'm really living in the budget, I have a STG Aubron pc that I bought a week ago. 1660ti I7 4790K. @Toasty bros, you guys should try a new challenge to make the more budget pc out of the two of you.
Hey as long as you’re happy playing games on it that’s all that matters
@@Theofficialtizzard very happy with it 😁
Low key love the 4790. It does so well for older hardware
@@TherealBlackheart it's still a kicking CPU
I just DOWNGRADED to a very "special", custom built, delidded i7-4790K w/Liquid Metal, Gigabyte GA-Z97X-UD5H-BK, Corsair 4x8GB 2,400Mhz RAM, and an EVGA 1080Ti FTW3. The theme is Gold/Black (U.S. Army colors). Still haven't finished installing all of my APPS. But, so far, it's really impressive. QUESTION: I also have another i7-4790K, on a junk H-series board. Do you recommend the 1660Ti GPU?, considering that lower tier board only supports 1,600Mhz RAM?
Keep it up. You guys inspired me to get an Optiplex with a 7700 in it. Dropped in a 1650 single slot and am using it as a streaming rig to 3 different site simultaneously. Can't beat a sub $300 PC that gives that much service.
I like seeing how older hardware holds up to current workloads. Lately, I have been testing old HP 8200 SFF system with a core i7-2600 (4 core 8 thread), 16GB of DDR3, a 120 GB SATA SSD and a 1 TB spinning 3.5" drive for storage/games and an old (but much newer than the HP) Dell SFF with a core i5-6500T CPU (4 cores only), 8GB of DDR3 (apparently 1st & 2nd gen skylake supported DDR3 and DDR4) , a 250 GB SATA SSD and a 2 TB spinning laptop drive for bulk storage and games. The only low pro GPU I have is an Nvidia GT 730 2GB so that's what I used in both systems for games testing. I knew none of the newer games I tested would play well and I was right, but what it told me was that in terms of FPS in Fortnite, Deep Rock Galactic and Generation Zero, the Core i5-6500T was essentially the same as the i7-2600. I need to test some older titles to see if the older i7 pulls ahead because of hyper-threading or if the CPU's will be on par still because of architectural advances with the skylake i5. Having them both on DDR3-1600 puts both systems on an even playing field.
I use a budget pc everyday. Have been for the last year. Acer Aspire with I5-11400 and a Rx 6400 LP. 16 GB DdR4 ram. 512 Gb Nvme ssd. 1TB 2.5in ssd
You call that budget? Lol that's good specs!
@@verse336 thats pretty budget
i use a rx 550 16 gigs ram and xeon cpu
@@judeyang4136 yea but its good specs
That's not very Budget? 😕
Lowest spec z440, did they even ever originally come with those specs or was it pulled apart. Both PCs have some additional upgradeability.
Excelente contenido, los veo desde hace mucho. Saludos desde Honduras, Toasty Bros!
You should do the upgrades and then try again!
I have a Ryzen 2600x and rtx 2060 and it performs so well on 1080p high and some complex video editing.
I have a i7 4600 and a gtx 1060 6gb and runs 120 fps in most games on 1080p high
Same, R5 2600x. Paired wit 2060 super and its still a beast esp at 1080p. Older hardware is under rated. To a certain point. Lol😂
@@robertanderson5735 I have the regular 2060, not the ti or super.
Jackson's is the most powerful rig, your CPU is 60% more powerful and your GPU is 354% more powerful. So, it's a night and day difference.
@@Conumdrum who’s are you talking about 😂
Going to a budget build and going to a full potato is quite a different thing. That xeon thing was surely the latter.
Yeah, I agree that a 200 dollar PC is maybe going a bit too low budget. I also think they intentionally were a bit too positive at the end. The 8GB ram really made video editing impossible and having to play on all minimal settings just have any decent gameplay is going a bit overboard.
In general they are right though: a budget PC doesn't need to be the worst thing ever.
I have 4 z409's on a shelf as backups for my file server... I haven't actually had to swap it out in almost 8yrs. I imagine I'll have a file server still running after im gone.
So I’ve built 2 computers so far, 1st one for 2500$ i7-13700k, 4070ti, 32gb ddr5 5600mhz, 1tb, 1000watt Corsair psu.
The 2nd one I built was 700$ which consists of Ryzen 9 5900x, 2080ti, 2tb ssd, 850x Corsair’s psu. (Some parts was bought off a buddy at work). But it does about the same as my 2500$ build.
I like this type of content where Matt and Jackson talk to the viewers and show a glimpse of what their workdays look like. It's a nice change of pace from their usual content.
I've been using a Ryzen 5 1600 and a RX 570 4GB for a few years, now I managed to find a Ryzen 5 5600 for dirt cheap so I'm upgrading my CPU.
Only thing left to upgrade is the GPU, so I'm hunting for something used and cheap. Is a gtx 1660 super still decent for 1080p gaming? I've seen them go for like 70 euros
If you can get an rx 6600 in the US it’s around 120 and performs similar to Rtx 3060 8gb
@@evanh5050 The 6600 goes for around 220 euros new and 150 used over here unfortunately - but thanks for the recommendation, I’ll see if I can snipe a good deal on it
@@anti-macro what about a 2060? Or a rx 5600xt?
How much is the 1660 there? Try to get a 1660 super atleast
The Ryzen 5 5600 is better than my i7-8700. And, I'm running and EVGA 1080Ti FTW3 w/11GB of VRAM. 11GB of VRAM will last me for a LONG time.
I just build a pc and here are the specs
I5 12400f (110)
H610 msi (60)
1tb nvme (75)
Circle dual loop air cooler (20)
Msi mag 650w (60)
Zebronics itx case (50)
Evm ram 2x16 (40)
Rx 6750xt (250)
Acer 1080p monitor(60)
Accesories around 50 bucks
I could not get the 5600 cuz it cost around 170$ and b550 cost around 110$ so i had to get intel..
I was trying to pair it with arc a750 but the rx 6750 xt appeared out of nowhere with a crazy discount and its 1440p but its okay and i could not turn it down that price....it usually cost over 300$...The whole build costed 770 dollars and ill sell it for like 1200$
better than mine gtx 1050 ti, intel core i3 8100, nvme 1tb, old xbox one hard drive 1tb, 290w psu
The 400f is based.
My PC, Ryzen 9 7950X,EVGA RTX 3080TI Hybrid, MSI x670PRO, 32GB DDR5, 1000 watt ASUS ROG PSU, Sabrent 2 TB NVME 7000MB Sec. Two NVMEs 4TB total. 4000D, Thermaltake Tough liquid 360 AIO with LCD. Dell Alienware QD OLED 34 inch AW3423DWF. 38000 R23 score
Great Video and when hooking them up i think yall accidentally came up with a fire video idea of "how much do the peripherals vs pc matter?"
Maybe try some way to test that. Like a $1400 total setup budget. Try $1200pc+$200 peripherals vs $1100+$300 vs $1000+400. That sounds like a fire concept maybe do a sequel with a lower overall budget.
Just set up each set up at your store, and get customers to try them out and get opinions for a decent sample size.
I'm editing and working on a third-gen i7.
Then again, a Z440 is slowly coming together, will be weird to move from four cores to fourteen.
Just fyi, I run an Intel 9900K (not able to unlock/overclock though due to motherboard) with noctua cooler, an asrock B365M-HDV motherboard, 32gb ddr4 ram, a nvme 2tb ssd (os system drive) , (plus one 1tb sata SSD, and 2 hard drives (one 1tb, and one 500gb for pure long term storage), and a gtx 1660Ti graphics card....I only play Fortnight, World Of Warcraft, Doom all versions, Final Fantasy VIII, and the new Harry Potter. And for all my needs this seems to do just fine...I think everything but the graphics card will last me several years...I am not big on needing ray tracing...it is kinda like gilding the lilly to me frankly.
Here is a question is it worth it upgrading to the RTX 4000 series for the price or just stick with what I got???
honestly I would stick with what you got for now and save up. Only upgrading the GPU might make your system unbalanced and depending on what RTX 4000 card you are looking at, you could build a whole pretty decent PC for the price of some of the more expensive ones.
@@Morrodin-WH40Klol 4060 wont be bottleneck by i9 9900k. It is a pretty capable cpu it could even handle 4070 especially if he will be playing at 1440p, you dont always have to make everything new when what he has is still pretty capable
Depending on your FUTURE use case... First, do you have a HIGH (180Hz - 240Hz) refresh rate monitor? If not, buy that first. Second, have you considered an EVGA 1080Ti FTW3? I have TWO of them. If you can find one in mint condition, they are a perfect match for an i9-9900K, and they won't break the bank. At this point, a 4xxx Series GPU will cost more than your entire computer.
@@RaffyART1995 Hence I said 'depending on what RTX 4000 card' ;) ... there is also 4070 Ti and above, which I do think you will not get the most out of, if you keep your current CPU. It would of course work fine but be a potential waste of money.
Anyway just my few cents, feel free to disagree
I9-9900k and a 1650. Brah ha
You lads brave. I would have a hard time giving up my rig. But... in my work office, I have to endure old office PCs, and for work related tasks, it is completely fine.... I wouldn't play HL Alyx on those though 🤣🤣
I used to edit videos on a ryzen 1700x with a rx 480 4gb, 16gb ram. I did have a 1tb sata ssd to run davinci resolve but saved my files to a 4tb hard drive once i was done with the video. Upgrading to 32gb 3200mhz cl16 ram did improve my performance in some ways. I was only editing 1080p content so it did the job fine. I remember when Matt bought that computer and he assumed it was a better cpu just because its a xeon lol. Would love to see these PCs upgraded for even more content and show if these upgrades actually did what you believed they would do.
You really can't pretend not to be disappointed if you already driving a Lamborghini and then you regress back into a 90's model of Toyota Corolla as your daily wheel, that's what this video is all about.
Goated headset choice Jackson. I use the same one
Should look into Twingate or Zero Tier as far being able to access remote shares or NAS share remotely
I'm proud to say I was here before you guys hit a million subs. Good job guys 👍
I live my life one 4 Gen Intel at a time…
I like how their low end PCs are still better than mine 😂😂😂
do this same video but with fx cpus like a fx8320 that is one thing they did pretty good was multitasking I know it probably wouldn't be a budget build but would make a good video I think.
Get a sales man from micro center to recommend pc specs and give it to him
That be a great vid
HP Z440 is still a little piece of decent computer, but: 1. Use 4x4GB sticks to use quad channel, 2. use Xeon e 1650 V4 a fast and with enough core even in now days and a decent graphic card (personal i use Radeon rx 6700 XT) and you have a low to medium speed PC witg potence to play triple a games al 60 and high FPS. I love tis PC and i could tell you much about H440 ;-)
i have a 1650v4 with a z440 but wouldnt it bottleneck the 6700xt
My Z440 has a Xeon 2697AV4 and a 2060 Super with 32GB of RAM and a 1TB M2 with PCI adapter, I still don't feel the need to change it ; )
Are these specs good for the price. (Main game is r6). I7-4770. 2x8gb 1600mghz Gtx1060 6gb. Vida lite 500w. Stock cooler. Without case-$265. With case-$315
Great video!
I mean it's totally fine, for you guys to use high end PC. All who talk about budget systems never use the systems that they made they always use the high end systems sponsors gave them.
I have the same thing happen to me back then when I was selling PCs I always maximize the cx budget, but that doesn't mean I need to use a $500 pc. It's pretty obvious that for a low budget there's not much you can do on it, while people who work using the PC need the leeway of better specs for my case I needed a good cpu, gpu, and storage since back then I was taking photos of models and venues and I keep the raw files which takes up about 30mb per photo needs alot of storage, and the rendering and editing also needs good specs.
4090 still isn't enough. Never enough power.
“If you’ve never did this before you’re not living.” No, just broke.
Is my i7 8700k, ASUS GTX 1060 6GB, and 16GB of DDR4 RAM considered a budget build?
EVEN A 500$ BUILD IS BUDGET
so yes
That would’ve been mid/high range back in the day. Budget today
It would be considered old mostly :P ... it most likely was a mid-range build when you bought it and it will still work pretty decent but it is nowhere near to what is being sold new today.
Do you have a Z-Series MB? Upgrade to an i9-9900K. A 1060 6GB? Yea... Consider an EVGA 1080Ti FTW3, "if" you upgrade the CPU.
Yea.. under 700 I'd say
You guys need to link your other channel in the description and comments, im sure youd get way more traffic on the toasty DIY channel
My Ryzen laptop from 5 years ago going strong
I'm using a real buget pc. I have a pc with i5 3570, 16gb DDR3, a gtx 970, 120 gb ssd and a 1tb hdd
Would these specs make a good workstation for cybersecurity aka running virtual machines for beginners
Is the victus 15l still worth it includes an intel arc a380 with a i5-13400 for 520
1:19 Jackson forgot to enable XMP🤦♂️
Edit: Matts PC is also at 4800MT
watching this video is using 10 gb of my ram 4k video in chrome... 8 IS WILD
To be fair, the Xeon build has better CPU options with plenty of 6c12t or 8c16t CPUs for literally pennies on the pound. ECC RAM is not expensive either. Maybe $50 extra would make that totally useable
woww i want a pc soo bad.. Keep up the good work!!!❤️❤️
How did you get the hpZ230 Ram speed to go to 2133mhz because it only supports 1600mhz?
Not all motherboards are created equal. My GA-Z97X-UD5H-BK supports Corsair 2,400Mhz DDR3.
@@curtis.albrecht.79 ALL Hp z230 mbo are identical it says it on the hp site maximum ram speed supportdes is 1600mhz.
@@curtis.albrecht.79
yes but this is a workstation all hp z230 pc have the same mbo that supports only ddr3 1600mhz ram.
Neither one of you were satisfied with the performance of these bottom dweller computers. You both recommend upgrades they would require for your needs. No surprises here.
Kinda gotta agree here 😂
And those upgrades maybe cost a $100, making these still less than most spend on a gaming pc
I do basic editing. These editing techniques were more advanced.
You can easily grab a computer like these. And swap 1-3 things and get 3x the performance. It's a baseline for starting into PC's If your not looking to break the bank and would like to start smaller. Obviously they recommend upgrades they would do. Because they have been using computers for years. And have daily tasks that require more performance. But for a basic PC to play older or less demanding games. And to do some production on. This is a great start.
You are not a "PC enthusiast" 🤦🏻♂️
I am intimately familiar with those Xeon HP Z-series towers and they are hot garbage. We've been replacing them with sub-$300 Ryzen mini pcs for office and production users and the performance difference is very noticeable.
For gaming, used office pcs can still be somewhat viable due to dedicated GPU support (as long as the bottleneck isn't too bad), but for everything else even a budget mini pc will provide a much better experience.
i'd say pc is 60% of the usability, 30% for the monitor and the rest for mouse n keyboard and sound etc
Why not just use the igpu on the 2400G?
One of the only times my PC is SLIGHTLY better than a youtubers main one.
Monetech Air 100 Ryzen 3 4300G Team Group 3600MHZ. No GPU. OEM Dell computer PSU... everything's been working fine for a year. I get to play my game at medium settings getting 45 FPS.. 15 sec boot time, snappy windows response.. I'm satisfied.. If I had money I'd buy a GPU. but I don't.
oh and I sit in a low arm chair and use my coffee table as a desk and my 40' LG tv from 2012 as a monitor. I can't put my knees under my coffee table. my knees sit higher than the table. I game like this
He got me when he said Wolfenstein. Which one guys? New order or old blood? Or is it one of the newer ones?
What keyboard is thattttt there using
800 - 1300 is what I see people build a pc for as an average. You could have done a used build too. 200 dollar build is silly. You can get a micro PC for that. Also, should spec a pc for your workload that is the lowest cost. That would be a real video.
guys i got a i7 4170 and a r5 340x
and 3gb ram and a 1366x768 monitor i can barely run bloons and im broke so i cant upgrade
Why did you force yourself to go so low spec? You can be budget and mid range
how did you get windows 11 on it?
Make a bootable usb with Rufus. It's easy.
All my youtube videos were shot on, edited on, and posted on an old LG G6 SLIMQ.
The only chip you should be putting in that z440 is a 2697v3
I forgot, if you want a good PC for render you have a plethora of xeons with 10-14 core, cheap and thery good.
can you check out the blazing tech 4060 ti gaming pc? getting it for my bday 🤞
Try gaming with an i5 1155g7 (on a laptop lmao) recommending this because that's my set up integrated graphics ofc
i own a z400 and z600 i dont use them i use to years ago.. great machines now they are just collectors :)
This video is kind of ridiculous. How did they find a Z440 with less than 6 cores? Spend $10 and get an e5-1650 v3 that overclocks to 4.5-4.7 GHz. $8 for another 8 gigs. I know people who are still doing video editing professionally on Z440s....albeit with killer 24gb quadros 256gb ram.
i have an i7 4770K and an gtx 1650 its okay but dying, iam upgrading to an i9 9900K and an GTX 1080 TI or an Titan XP i dont need new stuff they are all not worth
Haha, Dawid coming up with with 1FPS across his forehead seems almost meta.
Hey toasty bros I was wondering if you could help me out with my pc upgrade and tell me what I need to upgrade some things I already know I need to upgrade but I would like your opinion on what I should get I want to run all games at 1080p high to medium settings at atleast 60 fps or higher, my specs are, motherboard Intel Dp67bg, cpu Intel i7- 2700k 3.5 ghz, 32 gb ddr3 ram, gpu Nvidia gtx 1060 6 gb, ssd 224 gb Kingston, hdd 932 gb ST1000dm010, Thanks
the video review is because you were on what an rx550? Yah I don't think that one actually supports the multiple stream decoding.
Downgrading kinda feels nice for some reason. Its nostalgic in some ways and then it always feels good to upgrade again.
I just DOWNGRADED to an i7-4790K w/Liquid Metal, but UPGRADED to 32GB DDR3 2,400Mhz. 😁😁😁
I see your a cable management expert under your table just as i am..haha
To be honest , i recently got a 6th gen PC, and i dont know how anyone does anything on it, like Video editing, and Coming from AM3 with a FX8150 Fake Eight Cores is so much better
You guys need a maid to clean up the place . Clearly you guys DONT CLEAN !!!
I retired after 30 years in IT. You should see some of the offices that I worked in, run 100% by WOMEN!!! 😵💫😵💫😵💫
@@curtis.albrecht.79 I repair alot of computer i do it as a hobby . To this day i have ever got a clean computer . Always get them full of dust .
Until mid July of 2024, I was on 7700k and RTX 2070 and it was fine. Even to this point of time that pc was good and can be called a budget pc. If I had a TPM module on the motherboard I wouldn't probably made a new pc at all just to upgrade to Windows 11. I did it so when the support ends and people scramble next year, I'm not paying premium for parts cause we might see some stuff sold out with people trying to upgrade. Oh yeah I had 24 GB of ram on that old build cause I originally had an Aorus mobo from Gigabyte that broke within a month of me building the rig and I bought an extra 8gb to test if it was the ram that was broken, nope it was the shitty Gigabyte motherboard. Even back in 2017 Gigabyte was shit. So before I sent that to be RMA'ed I did the test and when I bought a new mobo to replace it, I just put both the 16 and 8 gb on that. I specifically bought the same MT and CL cause I knew I was gonna do that. So yeah 24gb ram in 2017 was good.
The Grid, Charlotte NC.
Decided to join in on this lol,
My main rig (bit older now but still great)
-ryzen 7 5700x
-amd rx 6800xt 16gb
-128gb 3600mhz ddr4
-2tb samsunng nvme (boot drive/programs)
-6x4tb ssds (games ..lots and lots of games)
-10x4tb spinners (mostly anime, blueray movies etc)
Pc is 10% gaming 90% work stuff
Now the ..downgrade 😂
Lenovo thinkcentre m900 tiny..
32gb 2400mhz ddr4
I7 6700t
1tb nvme boot drive
2tb sata ssd "bulk storage"
Intel hd 530
Surprisingly I ran a few emulators as a joke and it'll run ps2/xbox and older with little to no fuss.. now I happened to have the ram+ssds in a drawer so I don't remeber their cost, but the i7 6700t was $30 and the lenovo unit with a power cable was $70 (ps this is Australian dollars)
Jackson running 4800 MT/s memory. well well well
I'm running mostly used parts in my pc, the gpu, psu and storage are new everything else is used from ebay lol it's a ryzen 5 7600 with 32gb 6000mhz ram and a 7900gre
Half hour of gaming on a gaming pc in a week doesn’t sound like much of a feat
My pc can fly, but I'm broke. But I'm okay with this.
Funny enough the 2400g igpu is technically better than the 550 lol
You guys should've debloated that 8gb ram PC just to have a little more room to breathe. Sitting at over 5gb of ram doing nothing is too much. It should've been at 2 to 3 gigs max.
Minus windows being windows no bloat because it was a fresh install
Bet it would've helped if you had Windows 10 instead of Windows 11
@@ToastyBros yeah but Windows still has bloatware that can be removed, even after a fresh install.
I personally would like to see more of the "affordable", and "unique" builds you show on you tube actually show up on your own web site for sale. Your site has a plethora of high end over 1,000 bucks builds, and then a few super affordable office builds, but not a large amount of mid range, mid price, mid performance at 500 to 1000 bucks builds (and "not a lot mid range builds" is saying it mildly)...Mid levels I am sure would sell too boys...just saying.
This is actually lit 🔥
thanks for watching caseoh
A 7700K, and a 2400G are basically the same generation.
love your youtube best youtuber
I found those hp that you have for free I got 2 of them but they don’t have any cpu in them going to post about it soon
pls send me a 8 core cpu for 10th-11th gen
900th like❤❤❤ keep up the great videos guys!
So, um, if you're not going back to your good PC, any chance you wanna rescue me from my Acer Aspire V5-471 with a Core i3 and 8GB DDR3 - from 2006? 😬
I can even game I run 4 gb of ram so 8 gb of ram is like luxury to me
Fun Fact: They helped me so much :D
TBH you don't need a high-end pc seems like people who have one are trying to compensate for something
depends what you define as high end ofc. I got a new PC recently which is higher mid-tier specs wise. afaik it isn't because I need to compensate for anything really. It is more that I buy a new PC now and then will rock it for 5+ years. (my old PC was 7 or 8 years old I belief)
@@Morrodin-WH40K Worth the upgrade then mines about mid tear
After 30 years in IT, my primary gaming computer at home is an i7-4790K w/Liquid Metal, 4x8GB DDR3 2,400Mhz, and an EVGA 1080Ti FTW3. I have an i9-9900K system. But, it isn't the showpiece that my i7-4790K is. 😏😏😏
What am I compensating for? I need a high end PC so I got one. Maybe I’m compensating for my lack of high end PC?
I got jack pc without a gpu 16gb dd4 and a 1 gb i gpu and it gose a long way (TEAM A.M.D)
hopefully you guys don't showcase The Finals when benchmarking performance.
there is not a lot of people playing that game, not even me. the player count is not even around team fortress 2, and not even beating left 4 dead 2, and its not at the top 100 games by player count.
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