I would argue that mando starts talking more after episode 4 because he's talking to the child. He's a lonely dude, who's always been independent. But now he has something more important than his bounties or even his creed. It's natural that it makes him open up more and act softer when around the kid. Even if grogu is a baby, he listens when mando talks.
Yeah. That is true. But Mando simply talking isn't the issue. I guess that was not very clear in the video. Yes, Mando eventually has to talk to Grogu. That's the best way to show his character development. But he doesn't need to give up the plot to the audience while doing so. The example in the video is perfect. Just look at what Mando says: "Let's see. Sorgan. Looks like there's no starport, no industrial centers, no population density. A real backwater skug hole. THAT MEANS IT IS PERFECT FOR US. READY TO LAY LOW AND STRETCH YOUR LEGS FOR A COUPLE OF MONTHS, YOU LITTLE WOMP RAT?" The part in all caps is totally unnecessary. We get the idea at "skug hole"... The rest is just baby feeding us a half-digested plot, as if we were incapable of reading between the lines there. If you want to show how close they've got, you could throw a "Fasten your seat belt, you little womp rat." in there, but don't go beyond that. The Mandalorian is still great. But they will spoil it if they are not careful to avoid the traps the author of this video pointed out. Because they are indeed part of the reason why the latest trilogy sucks so much.
Yeah he definitely lost me around that time. Like "Oh no the show is getting worse now because he's talking". The reason those intro episodes gave him the feeling they did is because it was establishing the plot and setting. Now the plot is centered around the child so of course he's going to be taking to him. And if "fan service" is such an issue he probably isn't liking season 2 (which is absolutely amazing so far)
@@SpartanK4102 my only issue with season 2 is the first 4 episodes were back and forth for filler episodes. Episode 1 was an entire 40 minutes setting up boba fett returning. Which is amazing, but did they really need to make that entire episode? Felt like a waste of time to me. Mando was there to find a mandalorian, and he didn’t. We don’t even know how or why boba was on the planet (yet, anyways). Then episode 2 was horrible in terms of advancing the story. A random character we’ve never seen before somehow finds mando and knows of the information he’s looking for (for absolutely no reason at all except “the plot needed it to be that way”). Then, for the duration of the entire episode, nothing happened to advance the story what so ever. Yes, the X-wing pilots were introduced and we realize a few episodes later that they’re tracking him, but again...an entire episode dedicated to that? Waste of time once again. Now, episode 3 was amazing, episode 4 was great and it finally got the plot started (half way through the season) with what the empire wanted from grogu. Episode 5 with Ashoka was amazing as well but it was only there to set up ashoka’s spin off series she’s getting so it was kind of just a huge fan service episode. Although it did set up the next episode which was the best episode in mando’s series with boba fett and grogu connecting to the force/him being stolen. And last weeks episode was great too. Season finale is next week and I honestly can’t wait. But half of this season has felt like a waste of excitement to me. I loved every minute of it because I’m a fucking geek for Star Wars lmao but I feel like the story slowed down so much and then shot up so fast compared to season 1. The pacing is just everywhere.
The contrast between him not talking before he met Grogu but opening up and "over" explaining things to a literal child because his father instincts jumped in, is what makes that perfect.
Also generally in writing it's fine if you "tell" as long as it works in your story. They made it work by having Mando talk to Grogu, and for exactly the reasons you mentioned it dosent feel contrived but natural.
@emmy lite It's his kid in spirit! I thought you ladies loved the whole single father dynamic. Just embrace it.. like Mando embracing Grogu as his foundling/son 😆
He don't talk when he's alone, he just think in his head. When he open up to Grogu a little, he start thinking out loud since he now feels like he have company. That's development, not a weakness.
@@username45739 It did save his life on one or two occasions, not to mention open his eyes to greater events going on in the galaxy than he knew of before.
The complaint about Mando “talking too much” in that scene are sus. He’s trying to be a father and give a child attention. It’s not exposition, just immersion and giving a better understanding of how Mando has changed
Sure but it only work because he's not talking all alone. It's when the movie start to talk all alone. Who is he talking to? The Truman show showed how a show derails like this by telling instead of showing a product. When Meryl start talking , Truman ask the question all audience ask, who is she talking to? Because she's telling instead of showing. The Truman show is about a tv-serie who kept going for so long that the main character is lost and the actors living inside the show. A duel with lightsaber doesn't need an explanation. Stormtroopers don't need dialogues. It only work when they talk to another. What makes mandalorian is action before reaction. When talking is to explain everything you get a reaction before we see any action. Take example of dark city where the main character comes to the end of the rope and discover that there's nothing beyond the walls of the novel. His action is seen before reaction as he is saved from falling out of from the frame of sanity and only afterward an explanation is made. The reason it work is because there's questions asked. We see how the tuning makes poor to rich and it is visual showing the metaphor about happiness. Because Dark City is about a man lost in the darkness trying to find the light and he meets a man at the subway station who found a way out of his depression by jumping in front of a train. The movie never tells it but it is straight there on the screen.
@@robertagren9360 How would you go about showing Mando being a parent to Grogu then? To "tell" in this situation would be something silly like another character saying "Mando is such a good dad" The writers don't have anything like that. Instead, they "show" by actually SHOWING us scenes of Mando bonding with Grogu. Those scenes happen to include a bit of childish dialogue- since that's how parenting works. Again, the effort here is in immersing us in their relationship by showing scenes of it, rather than just eluding to it with dialogue after its occurred.
@@voryndagothDL I would show it with action. You don't need to baby with Grogu because he's older than Mando. The most parenting to do is to secure a safe place without death. The most basic need is security, social security, food and economic stability. Mando can't be using a weapon in one hand while holding Grogu with the other at the same time. His life is not a place for a beginning. There's no time for Grogu and it's time for plot. Mando is talking to Grogu but Grogu doesn't talk to Mando. Who is he talking to? When he show the planet, why is this important to Grogu? because it's not. It's important to tell the audience everything. And if you don't get the message you didn't understand what exactly what was happening in the scene because you only focused what was told and not what was shown and in what context Mando said those words and why.
@@robertagren9360 Grogu is older in age but not in development. He’s clearly a baby. Have you had a pet or a kid? It’s completely normal to talk to them and explain things even though they won’t talk back or understand. It’s a simple way to form connections, there’s absolutely nothing wrong with those scenes being added, plus it humanizes Din Djarin since we can’t see his face.
That's because Pedro Pascal is awesome. Also, Jon Favreau is an amazing Director/Writer/Creator. He knows what he is doing, better than a lot of people.
@@NoodleKeeper It's probably worth noting that Pedro Pascal is rarely in the suit, and usually records his dialogue afterwards. Not necessarily all the time, but usually. Bit like how Dave Prowse was in the Vader suit but it was James Earl Jones doing the voiceover. Pedro is still awesome though
@@leemine1187 Fascinating. I had no idea. Apparently, there is a report that he's been wearing the suit more for S2, so...maybe we'll have more helmet-less scenes.
When mando starts talking more at the beginning of the 4th episode, it’s acceptable because unlike in the last Jedi, mando is actually talking to a child
@@gaydonaldtrump He meant grogu, he is barely talking to us. Hes talking to grogu which is still a child. The audience doesnt need this input it was grogu. He was still learning, this is character development not bad writing.
Him talking with the baby is more clever than you get it credit for. It's showing how he's changing and caring for the baby. It's a way he can comfort the baby while he's flying. It's a way he can tell the audience a bit about what's going on without directly telling us. The dialogue is serving multiple purposes here, you really can't ask for more.
I don't totally disagree. I think that scene in particular is tricky because it could serve that purpose but at the same time it is a tonal clash from what has come before. As a one off in the episode it wouldn't have been too bad, but, and I only hinted at this with the footage instead of saying it outright, the whole episode is rife with him opening his mouth when he doesn't really need to. The innkeeper, the ex-imperial, the woman in the village. It's such a radical departure from what we've seen before. In my opinion, the very best episode is episode two which has by far the least amount of dialogue, and babyyoda's and mando's relationship contains almost no dialogue until that moment in episode 4 (he tells him to spit out a frog, and that the ball isn't a toy, but those aren't exactly examples of warmth). And you can see the connection he has with babyyoda almost instantly when he reaches out a finger towards it, and you understand it's rooted in their shared experience of being left (and found) as children, but his feelings shouldn't change his character so quickly. But that's just my opinion, and this is definitely more of an edge case where I could easily see how it wouldn't bother someone. It just feels to me more like how the writer would engage with babyyoda rather than using Mando's existing characterization. And yes, people change, and Mando is changing. But people change slowly, until one day they wake up just a little bit different and they don't even notice they've changed. A good contrast could be Geralt and Ciri's relationship in the Witcher 3. Geralt's existing personality is still there when he engages with his adopted daughter, and his love for her comes through clearly without departing from his gruff character.
@@PlaysTheThing I agree my friend, but I feel like Mando may be talking more to make sure grogu doesn't feel lonely. He talks a lot to him so that grougu doesn't become the silent type like him when grougu grows up. And since he thought that once he would give grougu to the jedi, he won't see em again, he wanted to make sure grougu would understand the jedi properly, who would prolly be more talkitive than him( I think he thought that ) , atleast that is my opinion
@@PlaysTheThing honestly as someone who has gone through a lot of abuse i can tell you that mando makes sense to me. People dont change overnight but they can appear to change. I was quiet for a long long time but if i had someone who was going through what i did that i was protecting you better believe ill act in a way that isnt me to make sure they can grow up to be better then me. To not have those feelings and not have to experienve what i did
Mandolorian: "Grogu? Hehe.. hm... *Sigh*" New Triology version: "Grogu? Hahaha! I sure do enjoy your company buddy, I sure wouldn't want anything to happen to you, because that would make me sad. So very sad. Even though I'm not supposed to be sad. Having to leave you reminds me of myself. But it's a good thing we don't have to worry about that! *Winks at camera*"
I think it's fine as it is, but it also would work if he said something a little less verbose, like "Sorgan, no starports, no cities, very little population. That'll do, won't it? (to the child)". Just remove him saying what they're going to do, because that's pretty obvious.
When Mando stars narrating outloud it's not intended for the audience to better understand things, like you described. It's Mando speaking outloud to his new kid because that's what you tend to do when there's a baby around, you just talk. It actualy says a lot and illustrates how he's taking to having a kid around.
@@nonexistant4260 the reality is that its a tv show and that the scenes exist entirely and only to fill in the audience, not because of some dad fan fiction. Baby Yoda is just an audience stand in for most of his scenes.
I don't think it got worse, I think it's getting better, he's growing as a character and thus getting more dialogue, besides most of his talking scenes are him talking to the baby. You're supposed to talk to babies.
Tbf this guy did not have the retrospective of the last 2 episodes of the 1st season as well as the 2nd season. The show has well surpassed itself on numerous fronts, and found a way to balance the story and the characters that is lacked somewhat in the first season.
Right, he starts off as this cold bounty hunter that is yes filled with mystery. Though throughout the seasons he continues to grow as a character and break out of that shell, growing more fond of friends and even his family seeing as grougu is like a son to him. I don't see why he would never talk to them- that would just be weird.
Dude this is what I was gonna say. He is growing to like Grogu and has probably already been talking to him on the way to Sorga. That is most likely not the first time Mando has talked to Grogu. There relationship is growing therefore he starts talking to Grogu. Adults often tell there young child everything that they are doing. Tho there child might not know what they are talking about or care what there talking about. I think that it was a very realistic moment between Grogu and Mando. And also this space western did save Star Wars. With season two as a whole and that wonderful finale.
9:20 I actually liked this moment because it was kind of showing him communicating with Grogu, because he understands he isn’t just a helpless little baby. This is a good bonding moment. This is his character *changing* his normal ways. It doesn’t feel very unnatural to me because honestly everyone speaks to themselves (I know i do when I am in my car lmao)
9:10 actually I think this scene where Mando starts “talking too much” is perfect, and here’s why: at the start of the scene Mando is silent (as always) and the baby is clearly bored. Because of this, the baby starts touching things although he knows he shouldn’t do it just to get Mando’s attention. Instead of getting mad, grabbing the baby and locking him in his crib and going back to flying silently, Mando understands that the child needs attention (because it’s a freakin’ baby) and the only way that he can give it to him is talking to him (since, because he’s flying the ship, he can’t play or anything else). He doesn’t have much to say, so he just starts talking about where they’re going. He’s not explaining anything to the audience, he’s trying to entertain the baby.
And I think it also shows, that Mando is opening up for the child. We got to know him as the silent and lonely bounty hunter and now we see him talking with a baby that probably doesn't even understand him (as he and the audience still think in that moment) about trivial stuff.
If you think about old republic times. Where There are lots of very powerful characters, This suddenly becomes a fantasy context franchise. But unfortunately nobody attempted the cast old republic times yet which is a shame. Because it has so much potential.
@@matteodelgallo1983 It’s both. There are literally specific scenes in Star Wars that George Lucas took from western movies. Star Wars managed to take the Eastern Samurai/Sword movie and merge it with the Western Gun movie. Star Wars is a space western pal.
@@AlfredFJones1776 I think he's alluding to the fact that a few Western's were heavily inspired by Japanese directors like Akira Kurosawa. Most notably The Magnificent Seven being based on Seven Samurai.
episode 5 was on par with rise of skywalker in terms of shitty writing. And waaaay too many episodes of filler, ESPECIALLY at the start of the second season. I gave absolute 0 shits about the ice spiders or that girl's eggs.
@@IngvarMar ep 5 of season 1. It was enjoyable, I suppose, but shameless filler with low investment and an annoying sidekick character and an anticlimax.
I love how you had 70% of a clearly explained argument, and then you tanked it at the end by ignoring the use of dialogue as character development for Mando. His relationship with Grogu is developing, so he acts with more fondness. Imagine if after everything they'd been through, Mando and Grogu just continued to sit in silence and exchange head nods lmao
Ikr, how weird or awkward would it be if Mando never talked, explained, or taught Grogu anything. Just like too much telling instead of showing is a bad thing too much showing and never telling is also bad. Moderation goes a long way
@@GotherYT in a sense then navy seals or any other elite shouldn't talk to animals or children in any caring way due to them being specialised soldiers.
@@GotherYT it makes perfect sense. Family and fatherhood are a huge part of Mandalorian culture, and with Grogu being a new foundling under his care it makes perfect sense for them to bond. This fits with his character, his culture, and the wider canon
I like the fact that mando started talking cause it showed how grogu made him more cheered up and less lonley and open which was exactly opposite in first 3 epsiodes
all it did was spend a whole season saying "hey here's this awesome character you guys love! Now Mando's gonna do stuff with them isn't that great?". after the sequel trilogy star wars kinda needed that, but if that's all the 2nd season was then 3rd seasons not gonna have much to stand on.
Just like Vader when he saves Luke from the emperor in ROTJ. We can’t see his face, but we feel his emotion based on framing, body language, background, and music. It’s done so well.
3 episodes of Mandalorian has same duration of average movies, total episodes of Mandalorian season 1+2 was 16 episodes equivalent to 5 movies, it's unfair because lack of duration make it hard to deliver simple but interesting stories.
@@loganholmes2991 Mandalorian is hit and miss, for me it's only emotional or epic because it's episodic show, honestly episode 8 is most memorable episode in season 1 but after I've watched season 2 finale, I change my mind because I've just realized that's Mandalorian's Beskar equipments is overpowered, it's can even counter Darksaber in fast-pace battle and moff Gideon doesn't give any what I've expected, he doesn't have any special ability and his strategy is kinda bland [attack from behind but he doesn't attack weak spot], when Jedi has coming which is I think he'll show his true powers for either fight or flight but no, he's trying to suicidal like servant it's really downgrade his charisma, remember a droid who sacrifice his existence because there're too many stormtroopers? It's a reason make me like Mandalorian but it turns out stormtroopers just dumb armies as always like other Star Wars show or movies, now I start to think why Empire gave Mando a pure Beskar material and why they didn't simple just use it for Darktrooper's skin?
@@ayeathelas1726 you don't need hindsight: Han solo was always a space cowboy, and was always popular because of it. Star wars is now doing what works instead of trying to stick with just the Skywalker angle
@@purplebean8989 This mentality here is why we'll never have good star wars again. They're hiding their trash behind nostalgia bait and cameos and people eat it up, meanwhile the story and worldbuilding is decaying in the gutter.
Yea, i dislike all the shit movies and after the first few movies I stopped wasting money. Mandalorian is what brought me back, and the only reason I pay for Disney plus.
At that moment, I noticed my hand , it was like my father's, I was turning into him, the very thing I swore to destroy, no, I will not be consumed by the dark side, I must fight back!
Like it could work, but that's how the movies have to be from the start then, like you can just suddenly change the formula. Like if they had done such voiceovers, they would have had to do it from the start and keep them till the end, plus it usually only works in a novel, and not a movie or even a graphic novel
my thought exactly when ppl start criticizing him talking too much. He have a ffreaking baby and hes akward AF since he never did anything like it before and its clearly something different than what he have been doing/trained
@Always Unlucky yeah, the whole series was Mando becoming more and more like the other Mandolorians and starting to go against his own beliefs. We see the conclusion of this when he removed his helmet so that Grogu can see his face and in the Book Of Boba Fett we even see him being more sentimental and sweet
@@Drakuba Except he isnt some 20 year old suburban man who just became a dad. He is a hardened bounty hunter that has literally faced life or death on multiple occasions. Ask around military bases what having an officer from the military as a parent can be like. It isnt awkward babbling, and over-talking its calculated and often cold. Mando went from bounty hunter to babysitter with little to no transition time. I'd point to something like Riddick, and how the character develops a bond with the dog. Cold and distant at first, but grows over time. (Im not saying Riddick does it perfectly by any means, it also has glaring flaws)
Any parent or pet owner knows exactly what Mando is doing at the start of episode 4. Ironically, in a video where you're highlighting the importance of showing vs telling the audience what to take away from a scene, you missed the fact that this was the writers taking a moment to show us how much Mando cares for the kid rather than having a voiceover or conversation with someone about it.
Personally I can forgive a weaker story that has great characters. Edit: Not that the new Star Wars movies had great characters though... Or even adequate characters.
Most artists don't believe this. I've learned to draw with a mechanical pencil and copy paper. You'd think talking to artists that learning to be good requires a Wacom tablet and a $2000 computer given the resistance to do it without those things.
Narrow way of looking into things. It's not hard to find the perfect grey area between convention and convention-breaking. But then again, not everyone can.
From what i can take from the comment section: "we all agree his was negative on his conclusion that the mandalorian couldn't have a positive impact and that it basically saved the franchise and we disagree that mando should never speak because that is dumb, he cant just stare and expect him to get all the answers"
I don't mind when Mando starts talking more, it honestly conveys alot of emotion in the right way. Shows his father side, and shows he now has someone to talk to instead of keeping everything to himself
You really wanted Mando to just shut up and hope fans would love that unchanging, unengaging persona for a whole season? For the first time in his life (probably) he was finally investing attention to someone, and trust me, that gets you talking, asking, and explaining. Also, when he speaks on the example you showed, some lines were really not worth "showing", remember that this show runs on fantasy budget and in that case, they'd rather LOGICALLY let a man monologue to a baby his intentions rather than slideshow a bunch of CGI ecosystems.
@@rafaelfarias4359 I actually hated that one , they made moff gideon lose all his prestige/power or anything about him.I wanted to see a tougher fight with the stormtroopers.Everything else was good tho
@@mpt3245 that isn't even the issue, the problem is that Moff has no real goal, plan, or end game he's just a generic bad guy. He's not a real threat, just an annoyance. Has nothing to do with Luke.
The only reasons he talks or asks questions is for Grogu. It shows him going outside his comfort zone. Shows him actually evolving into someone warmer.
You sequel haters just say shit that makes no sense and other sequel haters just like it and say “SO TRUE HAHAH DISNEY SUCKS” and waft each other’s farts.
I thought it was pretty natural how Mando started talking more around a being who's only lines are goo goo ga ga, imagine how awkward it would be if he didn't. Also he was growing more comfortable around the little guy
The mandalorian talking doesn’t really have anything to do with explaining stuff to the audience. Naturally when you’re in the care of something like a child, you begin to talk a lot more. Doesn’t even matter if you’re a mute, you’d begin doing a lot of noises and talking a lot in order to make a child or creature you’re taking care of feel less lonely and more entertained and what not. It showed us that despite how reserved Mando is, he has a very deep bond with Grogu. Imagine if mando was quiet all the time still... that would make it seem like Mando is a robot who probably doesn’t care about Grogu
You definitely do begin to talk a lot more, but it should be a slow transition. People don't just wake up one day different, they change little by little and don't even notice that they are changing at all. The jump between episode 3 and episode 4 could easily make it feel less like Mando's character is evolving and more like there was a different writer. And if you feel that way, it's pretty immersion shattering.
@@PlaysTheThing Well to be fair there was the change from the beginning, ever since he saw Grogu. Remember, he "killed" IG to protect him right from the get-go. Then there was all that reluctance to let him stay with the empire.
Is that really change though? Mando was always going to see himself in the child because of who he was, so he didn't let IG kill it. But he still took it to the Empire, because that's also who he was. The scene at the beginning of my video is the war between the two pieces of Mando's self that are in conflict over this decision: the professional and the foundling. The foundling wins and he goes and rescues the child. Nowhere in his existing characterization is an aspect of "father." If there was, he never would have taken the child back to the Empire in the first place. Then suddenly he's relating to it like a father at the beginning of the next episode. You are correct: when you are in the care of something like a new child or pet you begin to relate to it like a father, chatting to it, giving it nicknames, being attentive to its needs. You BEGIN to. Nicknames and easy chatter come slowly, but they do come.
@@PlaysTheThing Yes but it's easy to forget it's a TV show/movie. In that I mean: 1) Interest. People don't want to see hours and hours of slow development just to further the plot of one episode, or part of the film depending on what it is. 2.) Time. Again, hours and hours of slow development has to be compressed down into something smaller. We can't sit at the cinema for 13 hours watching slow development, we can't and no one would either. 3.) Story and cast changes. If it's a TV show that may last a while, actors come and go for various reasons, often out of the directors control. Imagine putting 18-hours on-screen worth of slow development for a character only for, say, the actor to die tragically in a car accident during filming. This obviously will then either end the show, or they might need someone to replace them and the story might then go a different path in which more background story may be needed, linking in to the first two issues. Yes development is important and it should be "shown, not told", there has to be some telling otherwise it'd just be an endless cycle of showing people changing, rather than actual storylines or action.
@@Perseus7567 Yeah , honestly it is mandatory that pacing in Visual Media is faster than real life. Even books , a form of media that can be slower need to make it faster because you can write so much before it gets boring.
I didn’t think of it that way, there were still awesome silences like the earlier ones, but I saw it as his character evolving because of Grogu. He was alone before, rarely talking to even those in the Convent, but then he gets someone in his life and he begins to open up.
I think this is a really hypercritical analyzation of the mandolorian series. The extra dialogue was spot on and timely. It aided in the character development for mando, and solidified the relationship between him and Grogu.
Call it what it is. It’s a bad overview. The guy wanted to jump on the ‘critical of star wars train’ because the sequel trilogy was terrible and deserved the criticism and scorn for almost single-handedly ruining the series… And jumped the gun, mindlessly shitting on something actually well done. The guy just isn’t too bright or is just whiney about everything, inlcuidng well-made stuff.
The mandalorian and the new sh*t that has come out of Disney’s as*hole is truly the most smelliest bullsh*t I have yet to witness. Dramatic as* scenes and cheese everywhere. Who is even la those intolerant in Beijing ?
mando talking more and more just seems like character development to me, from a cold bounty hunter, to a caring father figure, ofc he isn’t going to be quiet and mysterious the entire time bc he has the little homie grogu changing the man
You can really sense that Character development. Early in the show, when looking for baby yoda, he’s a killing machine. No thoughts. Later on though, when he grows a fondness to the child, you can see him act a lot more cautiously compared to the other mandalorians, in a “who is going to protect the kid” kinda way
The old movies were so much better, now we gotta deal with “who are you? Ray. Ray who? Ray skywalker” like that just sounded so dumb in the movie, it also seems like the movies are just dull and boring I don’t know how much longer I’ll be a fan of Star Wars
@@Kachigga-rs7yh do you know the channel "So Uncivilized"? He makes some great reviews on the star wars movies and absolutely killed the sequels in his latest analysis video.
@@totallyanonymousbish9599 I don’t think I do but I remember watching a video short after it came out saying how dumb 9 was because of all the wasted side quests
@@Kachigga-rs7yh check them out then! Their amazing! But watch them in chronological order, so 1-6, only then does his sequel analysis make more sense.
While throwing away his lightsaber, his only weapon, for no reason, instead of just turning it off and place it on its holster, even tho there's still one hostile enemy, and a sith master at that..... I love the scenes/dialogues too, but lets be honest, that was dumb af lol
I kind of see Mando becoming more talkative in later episodes because of his bond with Grogu. He’s no longer alone, hunting, fighting, killing, he has someone he actually cares for and I believe he begins to open up. Almost like all the things he says out loud towards Grogu, is stuff that he actually thinks in his head in the earlier episodes, but of course never says
I liked when Mando talks to Grogu, it’s him coming out of his comfort zone, before Grogu, he was a anti social lonely person, then Grogu comes along, and gets him out of that shell. They both needed one another, both were lonely for a long time. Grogu needed Mando just as much as Mando needed Grogu.
Exactly! Mando telling the kid where they’re going and why is more about his character arc in relationship to how the kid changes him more than just telling us for the sake of explaining things.
Well Rodriguez's episode is kind of the worst episode in term of vfx, righting, and editing, not surprising from rodriguez that dude never really knew how to make good action...
Loved the comparison between the 2, but I think Mando starts getting more talkative in episode 4 because he finally has someone to talk to. There's also the emotional side that starts to come out as he realizes that he can't leave Grogu there to suffer after Grogu had saved him from the mudhorn.
Not speaking when alone is fine. But not speaking with a child who is seeking attention as Grogu was is borderline abuse. It is perfectly normal and expected for Din to talk to Grogu about what is happening, as that is what a parent or adult does with a child. If he was still silent, it would kill some of the believability of the relationship. Also...seriously...if you think you can do a franchise series and not have references, you don't understand fandoms. The only problem comes when you overdo it just to promote something else. See Ahsoka Tano in the second season
Ahsoka did serve the plot though, not the other way around. Of course Mando would find a Jedi, but not *the right* Jedi, and of course that Jedi would nope out of teaching Grogu given her character and how screwed up the lad was. The contrast between Luke and Ahsoka as Jedi is brilliant. It's honestly very well done.
Also, what the video seems to neglect is that the actor can't use his face to communicate anything to the audience. It is all done by voice and posture. In those scenes he is sitting, so can only talk to progress the scene. Else it is him sitting, scanning, and hoping that the audience can understand why he selects a planet and discards others, and why he is going there. That would be a dull and confusing scene to open an episode. And fan service is fun. I am a fan, I like to be serviced . . . that sounded awkward . . .
Yeah and I'm not subbing because of that incredibly idiotic statement. Din Djarin still doesn't talk much, he talks to baby Yoda because he's growing closer with him, yeah he's gunna talk to him a bit more than he would anyone else. It's the same for when Geralt talks to Yennefer in The Witcher series more than he does anyone else, he even says "I've said more to you in 5 minutes than I have in weeks" or however he said it. This guy is a massive moron for suggesting that Din Djarin talking to Baby Yoda means he's "telling rather than showing." Because there are times to tell and times when you don't. The Mandalorian got it right, The Last Jedi DIDN'T.
Bruh, one criticism and y’all are sent running. That’s some weak shit. You guys know he doesn’t have to completely agree with everything you think for you to watch him right?
Great articulation of these ideas. Constraints are a creative's friend. Indirect communication rewards the recipient for their perception. I designed a science fiction movie set recently, and have been obsessed with similar cinematic concepts since.
[Good luck for your work, but there's more to it than that. The TLJ scene isn't the "Show don't tell" deal breaker the video thinks it is.] Except, here the voiceover acts sort of like a J-Cut, setting up the next scene, setting up the fact that she's sharing her feelings with someone and we, the audience, wonder if it is Luke, and the next scene reveals it's Kylo himself she's sharing her deepest feelings with, not Luke. Instead of the Rey-Kylo scene having its own beginning as a separate scene, it begins *along with* the cave scene with the voiceover, and is followed by the Rey-Luke "fight". Johnson seamlessly blends these 3 scenes and creates one sequence that has its own 3 acts (not that it necessarily had to, but it does). Act 1: Rey goes in the cave, faces the reflections, and the voiceover seamlessly leads to the next scene, mid-conversation, and the revelation that it's Kylo she's talking to. Act 2: Rey-Kylo bonds, only to be interrupted by Luke, which leads to their confrontation. Act 3: Confrontation culminates with Luke's revelation. Resolution- Rey leaves Luke. An incrediblely written and directed sequence where the voiceover plays a vital role naturally tying the two scenes together other than just explaining what's happening on screen. Also, the cave scene is complex enough to rely on more than the visual medium, her verbal contemplation of how she felt is perfectly justified, and her openness with Kylo about how she felt pushes their bond forward. In the Luke-Yoda scene, Luke is showing his anger and frustration by saying it outloud to Yoda that he's burning it all down, almost as if he wants Yoda to stop him from doing so. But Yoda does the exact opposite to drive home the lesson, to Luke's own surprise (THE SACRED JEDI TEXT!). The fact that Mando gradually becomes talkative not only paves way for (necessary) exposition, but also shows his growth and bond with Baby Yoda. It's easy for an amateur analytical filmgoer or aspiring filmmaker to look at conventional screenwriting sayings like "Show don't tell" or quotes from great writers, take them at face value and start applying them to scenes left and right, without analyzing those scenes further to uncover the dozen other factors that are at play that result in those directorial/screenwriting decisions. An understanding of what the storyteller was trying to do. But then again, understanding a lot of it, when the conventions apply and when they don't, is...simply intuitive ig. I could've probably just said that a filmmaker with a resume like Rian Johnson-the guy who wrote Knives Out and got an Oscar nomination for best screenplay-had heard of "Show don't tell" and be done with it, (tho even that wouldn't have matched the cocky tone of the video), but I guess i decided to be a little constructive.
Mando's self talks with Grogu actually make some kind of sense, i think everyone with Children or especially pets can understand just randomly talking to them
Wow their backstories really are similar. Mostly silent armoured guy who makes his money by taking bounties and has a grudge against the species that made him an orphan.
Agree with a lot of chat, the context of Mando speaking more is important: he’s entertaining the child. I feel like his interactions with other characters are largely still the same, until he begins to trust them. You can tell who Mando trusts, because he talks to them more.
thats kinda scary i legit DONT remember there being a stupid voice over during that scene but i went back into the movie to check and... yeah there is. wtf i remember it being silent.
@You tube there’s a difference between dialogue that makes you feel a certain way, and dialogue that tells you how to feel. You can very much show with dialogue, or you can tell with it, and while Lucas was telling us how evil the emperor is through his dialogue, Luke’s dialogue in that scene shows us his internal struggle without having to tell us every single thing he’s feeling and why. Rey’s voice over is an example of telling AND showing. It’s okay to tell when information must come across quickly, it’s always good to show when you have time to, but you should never ever ever show and then tell, or tell and then show, or do both at once, that’s just annoying.
It could sound stupid but the moment I saw the pre-release footage from Star Wars Celebration, I knew how much promise it contained. That was alo far exceeded with Season 2 thus far.
I loved the scene at the beginning . It’s funny how you can tell so much emotion and what he’s thinking even though he is wearing a helmet that shows no facial expression at all.
Valid points but no, he didn’t talk too much, mando just felt more comfortable and talked more as a result of it, he never talks to ppl he doesn’t feel confortavle with, that’s a period statement, it’s shown in the entirety of the show.
I lost it when "some how palpatin is alive" a literally opening line in the movie... They just said it like nothing and accept it without questions and move on 🙃
@Arpice Music Chris Terrio: We said “what if we were to bring Palpatine back?” And within 30 seconds of that idea, we went “that’d be great. Let’s do it.” (Paraphrasing) Translation: We didn’t think about it at all. We thought of the easiest nostalgia bait and ran with it without any intention of explaining it.
"The First Order Reigns!" How?!??!?!!!!!?? Didn't they get the crap kicked outta them? And hasn't only been a few days, a week or so _at best_ for the characters? You can't _Reign_ over the galaxy in that span of time. Oh right,you're just copying "Empire Strikes Back" but suckier. And not answering anything set up in the previous film. Nevermind.
That’s what happens when you don’t make a roadmap for a trilogy and entrust that trilogy in the hands of two people with completely different visions for how the trilogy should go
Gonna have to disagree on this one. Luke, whether you like how his character changed or not, definitely has more depth and characterization in TLJ than Mando. Every other character however, Mando outdoes
0:50 he has a mask. He has a helmet on the whole time, and yet the writing and the acting both show you exactly how much turmoil Din is in over his decision. It's just an incredible scene all around.
@@christianlopez2793 There can always be unnecessary dialogue. But in the examples Mando was talking to the child instead. So it isn't just useless dialogue.
S2 SPOILERS: I really enjoy how that scene with the ball is mirrored in season 2, after the Razor Crest is destroyed. When mando picks it up, we can't see his face, but we can still feel how heartbroken he is. It hits so hard, making it one of my favorite scenes in the show.
@You tube Well what did you expect, that every character in the movie needs to be completely mute? News flash, characters need to talk from time to time, yes Palpatine is telling in this scene but when Luke saw what he did to Vader when he lost himself (as mentioned in the video) was showing, I like how you glossed over that btw. And saying Rey has better writing than Palpatine and saying Kylo is a complex character is fucking stupid, that tells me you are either biased or too butt hurt to see the Sequel Trilogy failed. And yes, there was Snoke talking when Rey grabbed Kylo’s lightsaber, Luke’s death WAS a joke in the eyes of many (the majority pretty much) and are you seriously praising Holdo? Who’s a complete waste of space character that replaced Ackbar as a colossal middle finger to fans? Lastly, why the hell are you dumping this on ME?! I was only saying I missed show don’t tell in movies.
@@nicholasshealy9040 They're Disney trilogy fans, don't expect to hear anything worth listening to. Probably thinks Rey is one of the greatest Star Wars characters, too! 😂
I think the Qui-Gon and Maul scene is my personal favorite. There is so much emotion and tension there without the need for over explaining things. I also really liked how they hinted at thing between Qui-Gon and Dooku which pointed out a lot of things about the two and revealed deeper levels without having to say it.
I don't get the "it's for children" argument. This is condescending and implying kids are really dumb when exactly the contrary is true. They may not understand everything but they will feel it and even remember it. Then it will resurface time and time again when they are growing up until they fully understand it. All that is of course if the movie is meaningful and truly emotional and inspiring. In the same vein kids nowadays without any doubt have caught how shallow and unimaginative the new trilogy is.
While I agree with you, I never thought the "it's for kids" argument was in regards to how deep it is. I always thought it was for things relating to humor, like Jar Jar, and the overall tone of the movie i.e: not too dark, not too sexual, etc.
@@isaiah9666 Princess Leia in a slave bikini? Mail committing murders. Sidious and Vader torturing people. Many others. Hard to believe it’s a show for children. Honestly I think that was an excuse by Lucas and others distance themselves from all the silly shit they put in the movies. Star Wars isn’t a super serious sci-fi show by any means, but once you hit ROTJ and you get Ewoks? Wtf? Takes away from the movie. Same with jar jar and and all the terrible cgi in the prequels.
People who make that argument shouldn't be parents, because it means they aren't willing and/or capable of challenging and encouraging children to think harder and focus better.
@@uhavenosushi Star Wars is something for everybody, but it is mainly targeted at a younger audience, the movies especially. George Lucas, has always been more focused on telling HIS story anyway, fuck the demographics, so honestly, if you like Star Wars then just deal with his decisions. That said, the Clone Wars is aimed at teens and preteens, so the more adult parts of it are excusable. That's not really a show for little kids, and never has been or even acted like it. All the other stuff goes to show how it is aimed at kids. All the death we saw, we rarely saw any blood. After the Mos Eisely incident, we didnt see blood again. They kept the deaths and dismemberment but made it more kid friendly. Slave Leia is honestly nothing. Any kid who is old enough to understand the movie they are watching has more likely than not been to the beach. I highly doubt slave Leia was any kids first time seeing a woman in a bikini, not to mention bikinis in real life are much skimpier. People who shit on the Ewoks like you, I just dont get it. It's there for the kids. That didnt ruin the whole movie, not in the slightest. Please explain how it did so, because I simply dont understand. Jar Jar is annoying now, sure, but for little kids hes the funniest thing in existence. He sure was for me and all my friends. I remember everybody in elementary school would mimic his stupid walk and talk. And in what way was the CGI terrible? That was cutting edge CGI, especially for it's time. Most movies in 1999-2005 didnt look NEARLY as good
Just looking at the projects, most of them just ignore the sequels or tiptoe around them so that they don't have to engage it. But this? We literally want to know about everybody there.
The fact that Mando can be more expressive while nearly always having his helmet on then Rei can never stops to amaze me. Small music tones, Pedro’s amazing body movement and subtle changes that are built around the framework of the audiences understanding of Mando as a character and the situation means that we almost always know what he is going to do.
@@turinturambar501 -- There was nothing "low" about it. The entire planet of Star Wars fans erupted with an outpouring of joyous tears that was ~37 years in the making, and was enough to fill an Olympic-sized swimming pool. What is probably "low" are the Serotonin levels of the glorified bloggers ("journalists") who excel at publicly wallowing in self-pity online and hating whomever refuses to listen to their naive, expertise-devoid advice. These people behave like perpetually miserable sleuths who're in dire need of medical attention -- ideally, with an anti-depressant prescription.
The thing is, there are a fair bit amount of problems with The Mandalorian still even with great writers working on it. It makes me wonder how much the higher ups at Disney try to influence the show.
Yet they’re also taught that there are times that they have to actually tell, or even weirder times when telling makes the scene better. And it’s easy as a writer to feel like you may have found that moment. It’s also easy to believe that there’s no way an audience is going to know everything you’re trying to say, and you feel like if you don’t give them something they won’t follow. Like any discussion worth having it’s not simply black-and-white.
"Show, don't tell" is Screenwriting 101 but it's also incredibly difficult to balance. Everyone understands this principle and almost every film maker fails to get it right a vast majority of the time. What type of balance is "right" is subjective. Star Wars was created for kids and while it appeals to adults as well, it still is designed to be easily digestible for kids. Often kids need more telling and not showing.
@You tube what he means is Luke looking at his robotic hand. He realizes if he goes down that path, he will become his father, he will become Vader, but even worse maybe. Obviously the Emperor is delivering the exposition, but he was referring to the unspoken moment there. It was the crux of not just the movie, but if the original trilogy. And at no point do we get a voiceover explaining what Luke was feeling, or him later telling another person what he was feeling, but we didn't need it anyway.
@@Blendercage that's true, but I think the best piece of advice on regards to story telling I've heard it's to "trust your readers (or viewers) that they are smart enough to pick up what you're putting down." When you show but don't tell, you are trusting that the themes you've established will come through without even having to say a word. In writing is a little different, because you can tell what internal monologue is happening. But in film the only way to do that is via voiceover, or dialog. But you can also do that with "show, don't tell" because you have a visual medium to do it with. Yes, sometimes you need exposition, you need dialog, and if that's your story telling style, with voiceovers. But you should strive to make it organic. I remember a video talking about Tolkien, and how he wrote from the hobbits perspective, and he did this because they didn't know as much as the others. They were the ones asking the questions, and we as the reader felt like the hobbits, it made it more relatable. When a story uses the everyman character as our avatar to a fictional world, we learn what they learn, we ask the questions they ask, then exposition feels more organic. Things her explained and occur naturally as part of the story, rather than getting huge expositional dumps every few chapters. Yes, sometimes you do need that too, but if you trust your readers, introduce exposition organically, and if you can get the same basic information coveyed without words, then it makes it feel more like a story that you are in, and not passively watching from the outside.
@You tube you're bringing up the rest of the scene that OP omitted. Sure, the scene as a whole is pretty Tell-y, but that MOMENT in the scene, those few seconds that OP brought up is the example he wished to use to make his point
I don't think that Mando becoming more talkative and explanatory at the 4th episode is bad. It shows that he is a round character, that changes his behavior when he gets closer to the child. Great video btw, I love it!
A happy balance between showing and telling is the better option. Relying too much on either one will inevitably create problems along the way because they both have limitations.
@You tube You're focusing way too much on critic scores. For example, if you look at the user score of these movies, they are usually a lot lower. Metacritics user score for TLJ is a 4.3. I'm not sure what makes the critics more right than the fans, especially when the fans are the ones who will ultimately make or break a movie's success
now that there will be 3 plus more starwars series coming soon in disney plus, i think it would be cool and wise for them just to let the new trilogy go. never mention it again, and perhaps make it non canon
Cynic at Best well actually references can make something good. It might not determine the whole episode but it makes the moment “good” if you will because it causes excitement in most cases
I feel like the mandalorian had a great usage of the dialogue. Mando is a cold mercenary who only follows the creed to the letter and hates droids. This is how he begins but after baby yoda, he begins to change, he talks a bit more, in the season finally he begins to let go of his hatred and accept droids, he is becoming less a cold killer and more of a person as a whole. It’s showing us his progressive growth as a character and not telling us he is growing. That is what I love about the show. I feel a good inclusion would be Mando separates from baby yoda and he begins slipping back into the cold unfeeling bounty hunter before so prone confronts him on it and he realizes the importance the child’s holds for him.
@@Bothandle70 well we get to it almost right away, he takes a job working for the empire with little hesitation. He was all about the job, until he met the child. Now we know he was raised by death watch, who are pretty "cold" too.
@@Bothandle70 That's kind of making him a mercenary. He's "going here, doing that" because he is either being paid to, like a mercenary, or feels honoured/bound by an agreement to (like a Mandalorian, or even a good mercenary with a code of honour)
@@Perseus7567 he isn't doing it for money though. only two mission was for money. and second mission he got baby yoda back. rest of the missions he is doing it to get baby yoda back to the jedi. so no hint of being cold at all.
@@Bothandle70 Well if we are talking about him being cold: 1) Literally straight-up threatened to kill the guy in Chapter One. Then froze him in carbonite. 2) Betrayed the Guild for his own reasons. 3) Locked Mayfield + crew in that floating prison ship cos why not 4) Brought the tracking beacon back to the space station in the same prison break episode just to kill those guys. 5) Left that guy to hang from the light pole in Season 2, in order for him to be eaten by the animals. 6) Pretty much threatened to just kill Boba Fett instead of talking. 7) Shot the IG hunter after finding baby yoda cos mando wants baby yoda I could probably pick so many more scenes where he was "cold" But I won't.
The thing in mandalorian that for me was a complete unknown until season 2 was the inconsistency of the rules for mandalorians between the show and the other series, but in season 2 all that was answered in a few lines from Bo Katan, when he asked why they weren't wearing the helmets everytime, "he is one of them". Knowing how many different viewpoints mandalorians had in the show about what is right, what is honorable, how they should behave, etc. That immediately told me he was part of a group that was not widely accepted by mandalorians, that was even more radical (in their view, not in actions) than Deathwatch. I also was intrigued when the armor of Boba was shown, it is also interesting than in one scene with Boba in his armor they did more for that character than the original trilogy.
This is the exact same reason why I LOVED the last season of clone wars. Even though it is animated, you can easily listen the body language of the characters.
@@Saigonas They got Ray Park to do the mocap for that exact reason, so that Maul's body language is the same as that from The Phantom Menace! Best part imo is the respect between Ray Park and Sam Witwer that they have for each other to bring Maul to life as a whole character for us to enjoy!
I think in the mandalorian it makes sense Because he is talking to a child He's explaining the world to him. He's making him open up, instead of being closed off
I’m so glad you brought up Luke’s hand from ROTJ! It really is perfect. They never talk about his hand, but in the start of the film they make sure to show us his hand being damaged and remind us with his glove. So simple but perfect. Also, side note, having only one black glove on his hand showing Luke’s balance between dark and light. The dark concealing what he lost to the dark side since he battled Vader in Empire with fear and battling emotion. Anytime someone goes against the force, the force takes its pound of flesh. And that shits so cool
Haha i get what your saying, but the flashback audio wouldnt “tell” us what happened. It would still invoke mystery and make us wonder about the flashbacks and what exectly happened
Showing and telling come down to how you use your tools. You can show with audio or dialogue too, what matters is how you use your tools not necessarily what tools you are using.
@@PlaysTheThing although it being just audio could have been cool I kind of liked that they showed flashbacks in shaky cuts and only when his armour was getting upgraded, so I feel it was handled pretty well
I agree with everything you say in this video, except for the last part. To be fair, I think Mando's sudden change is understandable. He's in a situation he's never been in (caring for another instead of just jumping from bounty to bounty). I think it makes sense to see him unexpectedly becoming friendlier with Grogu (especially if we take into account he's basically a little kid) and it's a nice touch, even more so considering that was the first time he decided to help his "objective", so he's already in a difficult spot he's not familiar with. It reminds the audience he's a living, breathing, empathic being and that his behavior is not a certain set of patterns you can just predict. He adapts to the situation, and in my opinion it makes a lot of sense. Other than that, amazing video. You really manage to capture the reason the new trilogy is so lacking in narrative.
thats what made star wars so great! you werent told everything but had to put pieces together, giving the feeling that you're truly in a large world where life goes on whether you're there or not (at least for me)
Yes, the style definitely starts to change from Ep 4 onward, but that's a part of the story. It's Mando's character development. He starts as this closed off, nearly silent Boba Fett wannabe, but as he engages with the Child he engages with the world more, and becomes more of a complete character.
I agree with everything you said up till the last 2 minutes. I don't see how Din breaking his normal silent guy routine could be seen as a bad thing. He doesn't have experience with children so he's awkwardly explaining to him where they're going, even though Grogu probably didn't understand a word he said. If anything, it shows how underneath the mysterious silent bounty hunter exterior is also a caring father figure who's trying his best to take care of a child but doesn't know how to do. That's not lazy writing, it's character development
Was it awkward? To me it felt totally natural, like how any dad would talk to his kid. And that was the entire problem for me. Mando should *grow* into his dad role. It should have been *more* awkward. The style and his character shifted instantly instead of gradually.
The last remark didn’t age well 💀 And you can argue wether it’s saving Star Wars or not but when there are people literally buying Disney+ specifically for the show I’d say it’s doing a pretty good job
[Not exactly] Except, here the voiceover acts sort of like a J-Cut, setting up the next scene, setting up the fact that she's sharing her feelings with someone and we, the audience, wonder if it is Luke, and the next scene reveals it's Kylo himself she's sharing her deepest feelings with, not Luke. Instead of the Rey-Kylo scene having its own beginning as a separate scene, it begins *along with* the cave scene with the voiceover, and is followed by the Rey-Luke "fight". Johnson seamlessly blends these 3 scenes and creates one sequence that has its own 3 acts (not that it necessarily had to, but it does). Act 1: Rey goes in the cave, faces the reflections, and the voiceover seamlessly leads to the next scene, mid-conversation, and the revelation that it's Kylo she's talking to. Act 2: Rey-Kylo bonds, only to be interrupted by Luke, which leads to their confrontation. Act 3: Confrontation culminates with Luke's revelation. Resolution- Rey leaves Luke. An incrediblely written and directed sequence where the voiceover plays a vital role naturally tying the two scenes together other than just explaining what's happening on screen. Also, the cave scene is complex enough to rely on more than the visual medium, her verbal contemplation of how she felt is perfectly justified, and her openness with Kylo about how she felt pushes their bond forward. In the Luke-Yoda scene, Luke is showing his anger and frustration by saying it outloud to Yoda that he's burning it all down, almost as if he wants Yoda to stop him from doing so. But Yoda does the exact opposite to drive home the lesson, to Luke's own surprise (THE SACRED JEDI TEXT!). The fact that Mando gradually becomes talkative not only paves way for (necessary) exposition, but also shows his growth and bond with Baby Yoda. It's easy for an amateur analytical filmgoer or aspiring filmmaker to look at conventional screenwriting sayings like "Show don't tell" or quotes from great writers, take them at face value and start applying them to scenes left and right, without analyzing those scenes further to uncover the dozen other factors that are at play that result in those directorial/screenwriting decisions. An understanding of what the storyteller was trying to do. But then again, understanding a lot of it, when the conventions apply and when they don't, is...simply intuitive ig. I could've probably just said that a filmmaker with a resume like Rian Johnson-the guy who wrote Knives Out and got an Oscar nomination for best screenplay-had heard of "Show don't tell" and be done with it, (tho even that wouldn't have matched the cocky tone of the video), but I guess i decided to be a little constructive.
My thoughts on season three are that all my worst fears after season two came true: th-cam.com/video/YgXetlbdK9M/w-d-xo.html
Let us join in prayer to our lord and savior Tony Gilroy. Please deliver us from these terrible abominations.
This is why you should give up on Star Wars and find a new franchise to fall in love with.
I would argue that mando starts talking more after episode 4 because he's talking to the child. He's a lonely dude, who's always been independent. But now he has something more important than his bounties or even his creed. It's natural that it makes him open up more and act softer when around the kid. Even if grogu is a baby, he listens when mando talks.
I agree, and when he does talk to other people, his dialogue is very limited.
Yeah. That is true. But Mando simply talking isn't the issue. I guess that was not very clear in the video.
Yes, Mando eventually has to talk to Grogu. That's the best way to show his character development. But he doesn't need to give up the plot to the audience while doing so.
The example in the video is perfect. Just look at what Mando says:
"Let's see. Sorgan. Looks like there's no starport, no industrial centers, no population density. A real backwater skug hole. THAT MEANS IT IS PERFECT FOR US. READY TO LAY LOW AND STRETCH YOUR LEGS FOR A COUPLE OF MONTHS, YOU LITTLE WOMP RAT?"
The part in all caps is totally unnecessary. We get the idea at "skug hole"... The rest is just baby feeding us a half-digested plot, as if we were incapable of reading between the lines there. If you want to show how close they've got, you could throw a "Fasten your seat belt, you little womp rat." in there, but don't go beyond that.
The Mandalorian is still great. But they will spoil it if they are not careful to avoid the traps the author of this video pointed out. Because they are indeed part of the reason why the latest trilogy sucks so much.
Yeah he definitely lost me around that time. Like "Oh no the show is getting worse now because he's talking". The reason those intro episodes gave him the feeling they did is because it was establishing the plot and setting. Now the plot is centered around the child so of course he's going to be taking to him. And if "fan service" is such an issue he probably isn't liking season 2 (which is absolutely amazing so far)
@@SpartanK4102 my only issue with season 2 is the first 4 episodes were back and forth for filler episodes. Episode 1 was an entire 40 minutes setting up boba fett returning. Which is amazing, but did they really need to make that entire episode? Felt like a waste of time to me. Mando was there to find a mandalorian, and he didn’t. We don’t even know how or why boba was on the planet (yet, anyways). Then episode 2 was horrible in terms of advancing the story. A random character we’ve never seen before somehow finds mando and knows of the information he’s looking for (for absolutely no reason at all except “the plot needed it to be that way”). Then, for the duration of the entire episode, nothing happened to advance the story what so ever. Yes, the X-wing pilots were introduced and we realize a few episodes later that they’re tracking him, but again...an entire episode dedicated to that? Waste of time once again. Now, episode 3 was amazing, episode 4 was great and it finally got the plot started (half way through the season) with what the empire wanted from grogu. Episode 5 with Ashoka was amazing as well but it was only there to set up ashoka’s spin off series she’s getting so it was kind of just a huge fan service episode. Although it did set up the next episode which was the best episode in mando’s series with boba fett and grogu connecting to the force/him being stolen. And last weeks episode was great too. Season finale is next week and I honestly can’t wait. But half of this season has felt like a waste of excitement to me. I loved every minute of it because I’m a fucking geek for Star Wars lmao but I feel like the story slowed down so much and then shot up so fast compared to season 1. The pacing is just everywhere.
@@lucciproduced I disagree. The episodes you talked about had grogu. I have spoken.
The contrast between him not talking before he met Grogu but opening up and "over" explaining things to a literal child because his father instincts jumped in, is what makes that perfect.
Also generally in writing it's fine if you "tell" as long as it works in your story. They made it work by having Mando talk to Grogu, and for exactly the reasons you mentioned it dosent feel contrived but natural.
Exactly, Mando is going teach his kid about the world. Like an adult lecturing their child or giving lessons. It's only natural.
@@ThatSomGuy very well put. Mando is being a good dad (as good as a dad can be while also being a bounty hunter/wanted imperial fugitive)
@emmy lite Ruthless bounty hunters can have kids too 🤌
@emmy lite It's his kid in spirit! I thought you ladies loved the whole single father dynamic. Just embrace it.. like Mando embracing Grogu as his foundling/son 😆
He don't talk when he's alone, he just think in his head. When he open up to Grogu a little, he start thinking out loud since he now feels like he have company. That's development, not a weakness.
She was also alone in her scene so stop talking shit
this needs more attention
You can see this in Book of Boba Fett too
Softening up to babies is kinda weak tbh, what did the baby do for you?
@@username45739 It did save his life on one or two occasions, not to mention open his eyes to greater events going on in the galaxy than he knew of before.
The complaint about Mando “talking too much” in that scene are sus.
He’s trying to be a father and give a child attention. It’s not exposition, just immersion and giving a better understanding of how Mando has changed
Sure but it only work because he's not talking all alone. It's when the movie start to talk all alone. Who is he talking to? The Truman show showed how a show derails like this by telling instead of showing a product. When Meryl start talking , Truman ask the question all audience ask, who is she talking to? Because she's telling instead of showing. The Truman show is about a tv-serie who kept going for so long that the main character is lost and the actors living inside the show. A duel with lightsaber doesn't need an explanation. Stormtroopers don't need dialogues. It only work when they talk to another. What makes mandalorian is action before reaction. When talking is to explain everything you get a reaction before we see any action. Take example of dark city where the main character comes to the end of the rope and discover that there's nothing beyond the walls of the novel. His action is seen before reaction as he is saved from falling out of from the frame of sanity and only afterward an explanation is made. The reason it work is because there's questions asked. We see how the tuning makes poor to rich and it is visual showing the metaphor about happiness. Because Dark City is about a man lost in the darkness trying to find the light and he meets a man at the subway station who found a way out of his depression by jumping in front of a train. The movie never tells it but it is straight there on the screen.
@@robertagren9360 How would you go about showing Mando being a parent to Grogu then?
To "tell" in this situation would be something silly like another character saying "Mando is such a good dad"
The writers don't have anything like that. Instead, they "show" by actually SHOWING us scenes of Mando bonding with Grogu. Those scenes happen to include a bit of childish dialogue- since that's how parenting works.
Again, the effort here is in immersing us in their relationship by showing scenes of it, rather than just eluding to it with dialogue after its occurred.
@@voryndagothDL
I would show it with action. You don't need to baby with Grogu because he's older than Mando. The most parenting to do is to secure a safe place without death. The most basic need is security, social security, food and economic stability. Mando can't be using a weapon in one hand while holding Grogu with the other at the same time. His life is not a place for a beginning. There's no time for Grogu and it's time for plot. Mando is talking to Grogu but Grogu doesn't talk to Mando. Who is he talking to? When he show the planet, why is this important to Grogu? because it's not. It's important to tell the audience everything. And if you don't get the message you didn't understand what exactly what was happening in the scene because you only focused what was told and not what was shown and in what context Mando said those words and why.
@@robertagren9360 Wtf are you even saying lmao
@@robertagren9360 Grogu is older in age but not in development. He’s clearly a baby. Have you had a pet or a kid? It’s completely normal to talk to them and explain things even though they won’t talk back or understand. It’s a simple way to form connections, there’s absolutely nothing wrong with those scenes being added, plus it humanizes Din Djarin since we can’t see his face.
I actually liked Mando’s talking, it showed his fatherly instincts emerging, so he felt the need to explain things. Not to the audience, but to Grogu.
THANK YOU for calling him grogu instead of baby Yoda
@@Yoduh-on4lv agreed and/or “The Child”
I haven’t seen season 2, was Grogu revealed to be his name?
@@armydillo1013 it’s best to watch it, and figure it out yourself rather strangers tell you
@@brandonjagles5326 but I literally just read it, and now I'm going to look it up on the wiki and possibly have other stuff spoiled to me
I saw emotion through the helmet of the Mandalorian.
I can feel the facial expressions through the helmet
Same. Even though I can't see his face, I can tell when he's smiling, pissed, angry, sad, etc.
Rvb taught me how to helmet-read lol
The green on his helmet when he's thinking of grogu tells me everything
Shows how much of a great job Pedro Pascal is doing
The actor that plays the mandalorian does a great job showing emotion through body language
That's because Pedro Pascal is awesome. Also, Jon Favreau is an amazing Director/Writer/Creator. He knows what he is doing, better than a lot of people.
@@NoodleKeeper It's probably worth noting that Pedro Pascal is rarely in the suit, and usually records his dialogue afterwards. Not necessarily all the time, but usually.
Bit like how Dave Prowse was in the Vader suit but it was James Earl Jones doing the voiceover.
Pedro is still awesome though
@@leemine1187 Fascinating. I had no idea. Apparently, there is a report that he's been wearing the suit more for S2, so...maybe we'll have more helmet-less scenes.
@@NoodleKeeper i hope not. I prefer not seeing Mando's face
So do the cameras
When mando starts talking more at the beginning of the 4th episode, it’s acceptable because unlike in the last Jedi, mando is actually talking to a child
that is a very good point
@@gaydonaldtrump
He meant grogu, he is barely talking to us. Hes talking to grogu which is still a child. The audience doesnt need this input it was grogu. He was still learning, this is character development not bad writing.
Him talking with the baby is more clever than you get it credit for. It's showing how he's changing and caring for the baby. It's a way he can comfort the baby while he's flying. It's a way he can tell the audience a bit about what's going on without directly telling us. The dialogue is serving multiple purposes here, you really can't ask for more.
I don't totally disagree. I think that scene in particular is tricky because it could serve that purpose but at the same time it is a tonal clash from what has come before. As a one off in the episode it wouldn't have been too bad, but, and I only hinted at this with the footage instead of saying it outright, the whole episode is rife with him opening his mouth when he doesn't really need to. The innkeeper, the ex-imperial, the woman in the village. It's such a radical departure from what we've seen before. In my opinion, the very best episode is episode two which has by far the least amount of dialogue, and babyyoda's and mando's relationship contains almost no dialogue until that moment in episode 4 (he tells him to spit out a frog, and that the ball isn't a toy, but those aren't exactly examples of warmth). And you can see the connection he has with babyyoda almost instantly when he reaches out a finger towards it, and you understand it's rooted in their shared experience of being left (and found) as children, but his feelings shouldn't change his character so quickly.
But that's just my opinion, and this is definitely more of an edge case where I could easily see how it wouldn't bother someone. It just feels to me more like how the writer would engage with babyyoda rather than using Mando's existing characterization. And yes, people change, and Mando is changing. But people change slowly, until one day they wake up just a little bit different and they don't even notice they've changed.
A good contrast could be Geralt and Ciri's relationship in the Witcher 3. Geralt's existing personality is still there when he engages with his adopted daughter, and his love for her comes through clearly without departing from his gruff character.
@@PlaysTheThing I agree my friend, but I feel like Mando may be talking more to make sure grogu doesn't feel lonely. He talks a lot to him so that grougu doesn't become the silent type like him when grougu grows up. And since he thought that once he would give grougu to the jedi, he won't see em again, he wanted to make sure grougu would understand the jedi properly, who would prolly be more talkitive than him( I think he thought that ) , atleast that is my opinion
@@PlaysTheThing honestly as someone who has gone through a lot of abuse i can tell you that mando makes sense to me. People dont change overnight but they can appear to change. I was quiet for a long long time but if i had someone who was going through what i did that i was protecting you better believe ill act in a way that isnt me to make sure they can grow up to be better then me. To not have those feelings and not have to experienve what i did
Mandolorian: "Grogu? Hehe.. hm... *Sigh*"
New Triology version: "Grogu? Hahaha! I sure do enjoy your company buddy, I sure wouldn't want anything to happen to you, because that would make me sad. So very sad. Even though I'm not supposed to be sad. Having to leave you reminds me of myself. But it's a good thing we don't have to worry about that! *Winks at camera*"
I think it's fine as it is, but it also would work if he said something a little less verbose, like "Sorgan, no starports, no cities, very little population. That'll do, won't it? (to the child)". Just remove him saying what they're going to do, because that's pretty obvious.
When Mando stars narrating outloud it's not intended for the audience to better understand things, like you described. It's Mando speaking outloud to his new kid because that's what you tend to do when there's a baby around, you just talk. It actualy says a lot and illustrates how he's taking to having a kid around.
Especially since Grogu does understand what Mando is saying even though Grogu is a child but he is 50
Exactly, people even talk to their pets. This guy didn’t get it
But that’s not reality. The baby is there to give him an excuse to talk to the audience.
@@tristanmayer5373 Ah yes, because Star Wars is consistent with reality
@@nonexistant4260 the reality is that its a tv show and that the scenes exist entirely and only to fill in the audience, not because of some dad fan fiction. Baby Yoda is just an audience stand in for most of his scenes.
I don't think it got worse, I think it's getting better, he's growing as a character and thus getting more dialogue, besides most of his talking scenes are him talking to the baby. You're supposed to talk to babies.
That's why I'm saying when like took grogu it is not the last time we see Grogu
Tbf this guy did not have the retrospective of the last 2 episodes of the 1st season as well as the 2nd season. The show has well surpassed itself on numerous fronts, and found a way to balance the story and the characters that is lacked somewhat in the first season.
Hes starting actually feel for something other then his teachings.
Right, he starts off as this cold bounty hunter that is yes filled with mystery. Though throughout the seasons he continues to grow as a character and break out of that shell, growing more fond of friends and even his family seeing as grougu is like a son to him. I don't see why he would never talk to them- that would just be weird.
Dude this is what I was gonna say. He is growing to like Grogu and has probably already been talking to him on the way to Sorga. That is most likely not the first time Mando has talked to Grogu. There relationship is growing therefore he starts talking to Grogu. Adults often tell there young child everything that they are doing. Tho there child might not know what they are talking about or care what there talking about. I think that it was a very realistic moment between Grogu and Mando. And also this space western did save Star Wars. With season two as a whole and that wonderful finale.
9:20 I actually liked this moment because it was kind of showing him communicating with Grogu, because he understands he isn’t just a helpless little baby. This is a good bonding moment. This is his character *changing* his normal ways.
It doesn’t feel very unnatural to me because honestly everyone speaks to themselves (I know i do when I am in my car lmao)
I agree
Exactly.
9:10 actually I think this scene where Mando starts “talking too much” is perfect, and here’s why: at the start of the scene Mando is silent (as always) and the baby is clearly bored. Because of this, the baby starts touching things although he knows he shouldn’t do it just to get Mando’s attention. Instead of getting mad, grabbing the baby and locking him in his crib and going back to flying silently, Mando understands that the child needs attention (because it’s a freakin’ baby) and the only way that he can give it to him is talking to him (since, because he’s flying the ship, he can’t play or anything else). He doesn’t have much to say, so he just starts talking about where they’re going. He’s not explaining anything to the audience, he’s trying to entertain the baby.
you could also say that he is alone so he doesnt really need to be profesional cause what is a baby gonna do tell the cops
Narratively that works so well when I think about it
And I think it also shows, that Mando is opening up for the child. We got to know him as the silent and lonely bounty hunter and now we see him talking with a baby that probably doesn't even understand him (as he and the audience still think in that moment) about trivial stuff.
Grogu is 50 💀
@@JB55GAMING and belongs to a species that lives 900 years
Still a toddler ir not a baby
“I don’t think a simple space western can save Star Wars.”
Bro, Star Wars _is_ a space western.
It always has been.
Welllll, it's actually a space samurai movie, but interestingly enough the two are *very* similar genres stylistically
If you think about old republic times. Where There are lots of very powerful characters, This suddenly becomes a fantasy context franchise. But unfortunately nobody attempted the cast old republic times yet which is a shame. Because it has so much potential.
@@matteodelgallo1983 It’s both. There are literally specific scenes in Star Wars that George Lucas took from western movies.
Star Wars managed to take the Eastern Samurai/Sword movie and merge it with the Western Gun movie.
Star Wars is a space western pal.
Always will be
@@AlfredFJones1776 I think he's alluding to the fact that a few Western's were heavily inspired by Japanese directors like Akira Kurosawa. Most notably The Magnificent Seven being based on Seven Samurai.
“I don’t believe a simple Space Western could or will save Star Wars”
.....boi you were wrong
It totally has. lets just hope they can stick a landing and not game of thrones this show to hell.
Lmao for real. This aged badly in that sense 😂 yesterday’s episode was so good omg
episode 5 was on par with rise of skywalker in terms of shitty writing. And waaaay too many episodes of filler, ESPECIALLY at the start of the second season. I gave absolute 0 shits about the ice spiders or that girl's eggs.
@@brrr375 are you talking about episode 5 of season 1 or 2?
@@IngvarMar ep 5 of season 1. It was enjoyable, I suppose, but shameless filler with low investment and an annoying sidekick character and an anticlimax.
I love how you had 70% of a clearly explained argument, and then you tanked it at the end by ignoring the use of dialogue as character development for Mando. His relationship with Grogu is developing, so he acts with more fondness. Imagine if after everything they'd been through, Mando and Grogu just continued to sit in silence and exchange head nods lmao
Huge miss thinking mandos talking to grogu was an error. He was reinforcing what your first point was. You explain to kids.
Exactly!
It shows mando has character development unlike anyone in the sequels besides kylo
@@ayamrick2 Yeessss
Kids with a limited ability to grasp the obvious I guess.
Ikr, how weird or awkward would it be if Mando never talked, explained, or taught Grogu anything.
Just like too much telling instead of showing is a bad thing too much showing and never telling is also bad. Moderation goes a long way
"Mando is asking to much questions" How else was he going to find where to go? By staring?
sign language, apparently
It works for Batman.
He is talking to the kid, like I talk to my cat, who can see me opening a tin of food, but I still ask are you hungry,
@@GotherYT in a sense then navy seals or any other elite shouldn't talk to animals or children in any caring way due to them being specialised soldiers.
@@GotherYT it makes perfect sense. Family and fatherhood are a huge part of Mandalorian culture, and with Grogu being a new foundling under his care it makes perfect sense for them to bond. This fits with his character, his culture, and the wider canon
“I don’t believe that this single space western can or will save the franchise...”
This aged like milk and I am so glad.
The things he criticised the mandalorian for in this video haven't changed.
@@AimForMyHead81 hence why I referred to only that one statement and not the whole video
@@AimForMyHead81 I don't share his criticisms though. I need a little cheesiness in my Star Wars. :)
who said that line again
@@finnwoermer the person who made the video?
I like the fact that mando started talking cause it showed how grogu made him more cheered up and less lonley and open which was exactly opposite in first 3 epsiodes
“At the end of the day, I don’t believe this simple space western can or will save the Star Wars franchise”. What about....now?
It's not a western anymore
Bull. There were literal Mexican standoffs in it. Chill dude and just enjoy it :)
all it did was spend a whole season saying "hey here's this awesome character you guys love! Now Mando's gonna do stuff with them isn't that great?".
after the sequel trilogy star wars kinda needed that, but if that's all the 2nd season was then 3rd seasons not gonna have much to stand on.
@@dylanwalsh6677 the 2nd season was much better than the 1st, and the 3rd is setting up to the best
season 1 > season 2. I enjoyed 1 more and I do believe 1 was of higher technical quality too.
Gotta love how Din Djarin can show more emotion with his face completely hidden and with no lines than Rey in the sequels
Just like Vader when he saves Luke from the emperor in ROTJ. We can’t see his face, but we feel his emotion based on framing, body language, background, and music. It’s done so well.
3 episodes of Mandalorian has same duration of average movies, total episodes of Mandalorian season 1+2 was 16 episodes equivalent to 5 movies, it's unfair because lack of duration make it hard to deliver simple but interesting stories.
Duration of modern Star Wars trilogy equivalent to 4 average movies, 20% less than duration of Mandalorian season 1+2.
@@rickydinto more emotion at end of season one than third sequel
@@loganholmes2991
Mandalorian is hit and miss, for me it's only emotional or epic because it's episodic show, honestly episode 8 is most memorable episode in season 1 but after I've watched season 2 finale, I change my mind because I've just realized that's Mandalorian's Beskar equipments is overpowered, it's can even counter Darksaber in fast-pace battle and moff Gideon doesn't give any what I've expected, he doesn't have any special ability and his strategy is kinda bland [attack from behind but he doesn't attack weak spot], when Jedi has coming which is I think he'll show his true powers for either fight or flight but no, he's trying to suicidal like servant it's really downgrade his charisma, remember a droid who sacrifice his existence because there're too many stormtroopers? It's a reason make me like Mandalorian but it turns out stormtroopers just dumb armies as always like other Star Wars show or movies, now I start to think why Empire gave Mando a pure Beskar material and why they didn't simple just use it for Darktrooper's skin?
That little scene with him screwing that ball back on the lever has more impact than the entirety of the sequel trilogy
“I don’t think this space western can save Star Wars”. I think he was wrong
We do have the benefit of hindsight, though
@@ayeathelas1726 you don't need hindsight: Han solo was always a space cowboy, and was always popular because of it. Star wars is now doing what works instead of trying to stick with just the Skywalker angle
space western will ALWAYS save star wars and the mandalorian proves that
@@purplebean8989 This mentality here is why we'll never have good star wars again. They're hiding their trash behind nostalgia bait and cameos and people eat it up, meanwhile the story and worldbuilding is decaying in the gutter.
@@pezdispencer113 has anyone explained to you that you do not have to watch it?
You are free to watch anything else
Good point. I've always liked The Mandalorian better than the new trilogy, and I can't wait until the next season comes out.
"always." Dude, it's been like a year and a half
Yea, i dislike all the shit movies and after the first few movies I stopped wasting money. Mandalorian is what brought me back, and the only reason I pay for Disney plus.
@@Team_ghost9503 I do like all 6 Star Wars movies
@@gaslightingabbie I meant the squeal trilogy considering the “first few movies”
@@Team_ghost9503 yeah, there is only 6?!
Tfm
aotc
Rots
Sw
Esb
Rotj
What are the other 3 you are talking about I only know of those
imagine if luke had a voice over thinking ooh shit iam becoming my father v:
At that moment, I noticed my hand , it was like my father's, I was turning into him, the very thing I swore to destroy, no, I will not be consumed by the dark side, I must fight back!
Like it could work, but that's how the movies have to be from the start then, like you can just suddenly change the formula. Like if they had done such voiceovers, they would have had to do it from the start and keep them till the end, plus it usually only works in a novel, and not a movie or even a graphic novel
if it was S.L. Jackson i could imagine it ... m.fucknig father :D
I Actualy think that will be a good joke for a star wars abridged serie
Now i am obsessed with finding ways to keep jawas out of the bird feeders.
“The very beginning of the fourth episode goes off-“
Me: hold up, you mean mando gets character development?
Wait, is that even possible
@@walterwhite8649 ha disney doing character development, no that isn't possible
my thought exactly when ppl start criticizing him talking too much. He have a ffreaking baby and hes akward AF since he never did anything like it before and its clearly something different than what he have been doing/trained
@Always Unlucky yeah, the whole series was Mando becoming more and more like the other Mandolorians and starting to go against his own beliefs.
We see the conclusion of this when he removed his helmet so that Grogu can see his face and in the Book Of Boba Fett we even see him being more sentimental and sweet
@@Drakuba Except he isnt some 20 year old suburban man who just became a dad. He is a hardened bounty hunter that has literally faced life or death on multiple occasions. Ask around military bases what having an officer from the military as a parent can be like. It isnt awkward babbling, and over-talking its calculated and often cold. Mando went from bounty hunter to babysitter with little to no transition time.
I'd point to something like Riddick, and how the character develops a bond with the dog. Cold and distant at first, but grows over time. (Im not saying Riddick does it perfectly by any means, it also has glaring flaws)
Any parent or pet owner knows exactly what Mando is doing at the start of episode 4. Ironically, in a video where you're highlighting the importance of showing vs telling the audience what to take away from a scene, you missed the fact that this was the writers taking a moment to show us how much Mando cares for the kid rather than having a voiceover or conversation with someone about it.
FACTS. Story always comes first.
Yes.
Personally I can forgive a weaker story that has great characters.
Edit: Not that the new Star Wars movies had great characters though... Or even adequate characters.
Its true that story comes first but its how you deliver the story that makes it enjoyable to watch
I think mando actually puts lore first
Tell Disney that, I don’t think they heard. The new trilogy is not Star Wars anymore, it’s Disney.
Only Rogue One was good.
Seeing that he went from a silent man to a babbling dad is definitely necessary character development. But I agree with everything else.
Mando the babbling dad. I'm shocked by the accuracy
That because his "son" hasn't speak, imagine if Grogu are vocals like human toddlers..Mando probably do sign language. 😁
@@thomasjuniardi3559 Queue footage of Mando talking the the Tuscans lol
“Creativity isn’t stoked by boundless freedom, but instead by tight constraints” - a teacher
In the last few years, for creativity sake, I've come to appreciate and rely on self-imposed strict limits. The result is glorious focus.
Most artists don't believe this. I've learned to draw with a mechanical pencil and copy paper. You'd think talking to artists that learning to be good requires a Wacom tablet and a $2000 computer given the resistance to do it without those things.
SoulsBorne universe is this perfected, a very deep lore and story that is entirely visual with the occasion set of item descriptions.
@@cbalan777 Ye. Copy paper. #2 pencil and clipboard gang!
Narrow way of looking into things.
It's not hard to find the perfect grey area between convention and convention-breaking. But then again, not everyone can.
From what i can take from the comment section: "we all agree his was negative on his conclusion that the mandalorian couldn't have a positive impact and that it basically saved the franchise and we disagree that mando should never speak because that is dumb, he cant just stare and expect him to get all the answers"
Correct
“a father talking to his kid?! explanation we don’t need😡”
I don't mind when Mando starts talking more, it honestly conveys alot of emotion in the right way. Shows his father side, and shows he now has someone to talk to instead of keeping everything to himself
I think he means showing parts of the story instead of just telling the audience what happens
You really wanted Mando to just shut up and hope fans would love that unchanging, unengaging persona for a whole season? For the first time in his life (probably) he was finally investing attention to someone, and trust me, that gets you talking, asking, and explaining.
Also, when he speaks on the example you showed, some lines were really not worth "showing", remember that this show runs on fantasy budget and in that case, they'd rather LOGICALLY let a man monologue to a baby his intentions rather than slideshow a bunch of CGI ecosystems.
Something tells me this dude likes his sex silent, too 😂
@@alexanderarmageddon1467 You didn't have to go there bro lmao 😭😭😭
@@alexanderarmageddon1467 lol 😆 😂 🤣
@@alexanderarmageddon1467
Lmfao!
@@alexanderarmageddon1467 He hates fake moaning, "show don't tell that you feel good" 🤣🤣
"I don't think this space western can save Star Wars." Boy that did not age well.
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Surely didn't. Season 2 last episode was great.
@@rafaelfarias4359 I actually hated that one , they made moff gideon lose all his prestige/power or anything about him.I wanted to see a tougher fight with the stormtroopers.Everything else was good tho
@@unknownalsounknown4238 Do you really expect an Imperial like him to not be scared shitless of Luke?
@@mpt3245 that isn't even the issue, the problem is that Moff has no real goal, plan, or end game he's just a generic bad guy. He's not a real threat, just an annoyance. Has nothing to do with Luke.
The only reasons he talks or asks questions is for Grogu. It shows him going outside his comfort zone. Shows him actually evolving into someone warmer.
Mando with his helmet on was still able to convey more expression than Rey
Omg fr
Yeah that is true!
Lol facts !
You sequel haters just say shit that makes no sense and other sequel haters just like it and say “SO TRUE HAHAH DISNEY SUCKS” and waft each other’s farts.
@@DeathbatOfSpades K
I thought it was pretty natural how Mando started talking more around a being who's only lines are goo goo ga ga, imagine how awkward it would be if he didn't. Also he was growing more comfortable around the little guy
The mandalorian talking doesn’t really have anything to do with explaining stuff to the audience. Naturally when you’re in the care of something like a child, you begin to talk a lot more. Doesn’t even matter if you’re a mute, you’d begin doing a lot of noises and talking a lot in order to make a child or creature you’re taking care of feel less lonely and more entertained and what not. It showed us that despite how reserved Mando is, he has a very deep bond with Grogu. Imagine if mando was quiet all the time still... that would make it seem like Mando is a robot who probably doesn’t care about Grogu
You definitely do begin to talk a lot more, but it should be a slow transition. People don't just wake up one day different, they change little by little and don't even notice that they are changing at all. The jump between episode 3 and episode 4 could easily make it feel less like Mando's character is evolving and more like there was a different writer. And if you feel that way, it's pretty immersion shattering.
@@PlaysTheThing Well to be fair there was the change from the beginning, ever since he saw Grogu. Remember, he "killed" IG to protect him right from the get-go. Then there was all that reluctance to let him stay with the empire.
Is that really change though? Mando was always going to see himself in the child because of who he was, so he didn't let IG kill it. But he still took it to the Empire, because that's also who he was. The scene at the beginning of my video is the war between the two pieces of Mando's self that are in conflict over this decision: the professional and the foundling. The foundling wins and he goes and rescues the child. Nowhere in his existing characterization is an aspect of "father." If there was, he never would have taken the child back to the Empire in the first place. Then suddenly he's relating to it like a father at the beginning of the next episode. You are correct: when you are in the care of something like a new child or pet you begin to relate to it like a father, chatting to it, giving it nicknames, being attentive to its needs. You BEGIN to. Nicknames and easy chatter come slowly, but they do come.
@@PlaysTheThing Yes but it's easy to forget it's a TV show/movie. In that I mean:
1) Interest. People don't want to see hours and hours of slow development just to further the plot of one episode, or part of the film depending on what it is.
2.) Time. Again, hours and hours of slow development has to be compressed down into something smaller. We can't sit at the cinema for 13 hours watching slow development, we can't and no one would either.
3.) Story and cast changes. If it's a TV show that may last a while, actors come and go for various reasons, often out of the directors control. Imagine putting 18-hours on-screen worth of slow development for a character only for, say, the actor to die tragically in a car accident during filming. This obviously will then either end the show, or they might need someone to replace them and the story might then go a different path in which more background story may be needed, linking in to the first two issues.
Yes development is important and it should be "shown, not told", there has to be some telling otherwise it'd just be an endless cycle of showing people changing, rather than actual storylines or action.
@@Perseus7567 Yeah , honestly it is mandatory that pacing in Visual Media is faster than real life. Even books , a form of media that can be slower need to make it faster because you can write so much before it gets boring.
I didn’t think of it that way, there were still awesome silences like the earlier ones, but I saw it as his character evolving because of Grogu. He was alone before, rarely talking to even those in the Convent, but then he gets someone in his life and he begins to open up.
I think this is a really hypercritical analyzation of the mandolorian series. The extra dialogue was spot on and timely. It aided in the character development for mando, and solidified the relationship between him and Grogu.
Call it what it is. It’s a bad overview. The guy wanted to jump on the ‘critical of star wars train’ because the sequel trilogy was terrible and deserved the criticism and scorn for almost single-handedly ruining the series… And jumped the gun, mindlessly shitting on something actually well done. The guy just isn’t too bright or is just whiney about everything, inlcuidng well-made stuff.
@@MackNcD everyone has there opinions
@@MackNcD lol, "well done"... you're a hoot
The mandalorian and the new sh*t that has come out of Disney’s as*hole is truly the most smelliest bullsh*t I have yet to witness. Dramatic as* scenes and cheese everywhere. Who is even la those intolerant in Beijing ?
@@dearsiri9428 strangest reply I’ve seen
mando talking more and more just seems like character development to me, from a cold bounty hunter, to a caring father figure, ofc he isn’t going to be quiet and mysterious the entire time bc he has the little homie grogu changing the man
You can really sense that Character development. Early in the show, when looking for baby yoda, he’s a killing machine. No thoughts. Later on though, when he grows a fondness to the child, you can see him act a lot more cautiously compared to the other mandalorians, in a “who is going to protect the kid” kinda way
The little homie 🤣
“You failed you highness. I am a Jedi, like my father before me” Luke’s dialogue is so empowering it gives me chills every time
The old movies were so much better, now we gotta deal with “who are you? Ray. Ray who? Ray skywalker” like that just sounded so dumb in the movie, it also seems like the movies are just dull and boring I don’t know how much longer I’ll be a fan of Star Wars
@@Kachigga-rs7yh do you know the channel "So Uncivilized"? He makes some great reviews on the star wars movies and absolutely killed the sequels in his latest analysis video.
@@totallyanonymousbish9599 I don’t think I do but I remember watching a video short after it came out saying how dumb 9 was because of all the wasted side quests
@@Kachigga-rs7yh check them out then! Their amazing! But watch them in chronological order, so 1-6, only then does his sequel analysis make more sense.
While throwing away his lightsaber, his only weapon, for no reason, instead of just turning it off and place it on its holster, even tho there's still one hostile enemy, and a sith master at that.....
I love the scenes/dialogues too, but lets be honest, that was dumb af lol
I kind of see Mando becoming more talkative in later episodes because of his bond with Grogu. He’s no longer alone, hunting, fighting, killing, he has someone he actually cares for and I believe he begins to open up. Almost like all the things he says out loud towards Grogu, is stuff that he actually thinks in his head in the earlier episodes, but of course never says
I liked when Mando talks to Grogu, it’s him coming out of his comfort zone, before Grogu, he was a anti social lonely person, then Grogu comes along, and gets him out of that shell. They both needed one another, both were lonely for a long time. Grogu needed Mando just as much as Mando needed Grogu.
No
Exactly! Mando telling the kid where they’re going and why is more about his character arc in relationship to how the kid changes him more than just telling us for the sake of explaining things.
@@moth8775 yes
Season 2 is even on another level.
Well Rodriguez's episode is kind of the worst episode in term of vfx, righting, and editing, not surprising from rodriguez that dude never really knew how to make good action...
@@michaelkeaton5394 I disagree. That was the best Star Wars I’ve seen in a very long time.
@@spikeeus I'm not saying the series is bad I'm saying the episode is bad, rodriguez didn't made an episode as good as we saw before...
@@michaelkeaton5394 and I’m saying Rodriguez’s episode was the best one to date.
@@michaelkeaton5394 wtf Rodriguez is like an action movie legend!?
The fact that I can tell what’s mando is thinking through that helmet, means it’s good at atmosphere and tone
Star wars has always been good with that, especially with vader
Loved the comparison between the 2, but I think Mando starts getting more talkative in episode 4 because he finally has someone to talk to. There's also the emotional side that starts to come out as he realizes that he can't leave Grogu there to suffer after Grogu had saved him from the mudhorn.
yeap and i went in halfway thinking this is a competent video
Not speaking when alone is fine.
But not speaking with a child who is seeking attention as Grogu was is borderline abuse. It is perfectly normal and expected for Din to talk to Grogu about what is happening, as that is what a parent or adult does with a child. If he was still silent, it would kill some of the believability of the relationship.
Also...seriously...if you think you can do a franchise series and not have references, you don't understand fandoms. The only problem comes when you overdo it just to promote something else. See Ahsoka Tano in the second season
Exactly. I think this guy is a straight up fool who doesn't understand the show and makes dumbass statements.
I agree hell I will have conversations with my cat when I'm doing stuff, it's just something adult's do when it comes to caring.
Ahsoka did serve the plot though, not the other way around. Of course Mando would find a Jedi, but not *the right* Jedi, and of course that Jedi would nope out of teaching Grogu given her character and how screwed up the lad was. The contrast between Luke and Ahsoka as Jedi is brilliant. It's honestly very well done.
Also, what the video seems to neglect is that the actor can't use his face to communicate anything to the audience. It is all done by voice and posture. In those scenes he is sitting, so can only talk to progress the scene. Else it is him sitting, scanning, and hoping that the audience can understand why he selects a planet and discards others, and why he is going there. That would be a dull and confusing scene to open an episode.
And fan service is fun. I am a fan, I like to be serviced . . . that sounded awkward . . .
@@funkyjbass7762 The audience would understand why he chose it when the scenes show that the planet is a rural and almost unpopulated place.
"Mando just ends up talking too much."
This video had me in the first half, not gonna lie.
Right. I just clicked it off after he said that especially when he said he had a problem with Mando talking to Baby Grogu Yoda.
I know... like he still barely talks? And Din’s moments are always enjoyable. I think he just clings to the old movies in a biased sense.
Yeah and I'm not subbing because of that incredibly idiotic statement. Din Djarin still doesn't talk much, he talks to baby Yoda because he's growing closer with him, yeah he's gunna talk to him a bit more than he would anyone else. It's the same for when Geralt talks to Yennefer in The Witcher series more than he does anyone else, he even says "I've said more to you in 5 minutes than I have in weeks" or however he said it. This guy is a massive moron for suggesting that Din Djarin talking to Baby Yoda means he's "telling rather than showing." Because there are times to tell and times when you don't. The Mandalorian got it right, The Last Jedi DIDN'T.
Bruh, one criticism and y’all are sent running. That’s some weak shit. You guys know he doesn’t have to completely agree with everything you think for you to watch him right?
@@steggyweggy same goes both way
Great articulation of these ideas. Constraints are a creative's friend. Indirect communication rewards the recipient for their perception. I designed a science fiction movie set recently, and have been obsessed with similar cinematic concepts since.
Ah great! What’s the movie called?
[Good luck for your work, but there's more to it than that. The TLJ scene isn't the "Show don't tell" deal breaker the video thinks it is.]
Except, here the voiceover acts sort of like a J-Cut, setting up the next scene, setting up the fact that she's sharing her feelings with someone and we, the audience, wonder if it is Luke, and the next scene reveals it's Kylo himself she's sharing her deepest feelings with, not Luke. Instead of the Rey-Kylo scene having its own beginning as a separate scene, it begins *along with* the cave scene with the voiceover, and is followed by the Rey-Luke "fight". Johnson seamlessly blends these 3 scenes and creates one sequence that has its own 3 acts (not that it necessarily had to, but it does).
Act 1: Rey goes in the cave, faces the reflections, and the voiceover seamlessly leads to the next scene, mid-conversation, and the revelation that it's Kylo she's talking to.
Act 2: Rey-Kylo bonds, only to be interrupted by Luke, which leads to their confrontation.
Act 3: Confrontation culminates with Luke's revelation. Resolution- Rey leaves Luke.
An incrediblely written and directed sequence where the voiceover plays a vital role naturally tying the two scenes together other than just explaining what's happening on screen. Also, the cave scene is complex enough to rely on more than the visual medium, her verbal contemplation of how she felt is perfectly justified, and her openness with Kylo about how she felt pushes their bond forward.
In the Luke-Yoda scene, Luke is showing his anger and frustration by saying it outloud to Yoda that he's burning it all down, almost as if he wants Yoda to stop him from doing so. But Yoda does the exact opposite to drive home the lesson, to Luke's own surprise (THE SACRED JEDI TEXT!). The fact that Mando gradually becomes talkative not only paves way for (necessary) exposition, but also shows his growth and bond with Baby Yoda.
It's easy for an amateur analytical filmgoer or aspiring filmmaker to look at conventional screenwriting sayings like "Show don't tell" or quotes from great writers, take them at face value and start applying them to scenes left and right, without analyzing those scenes further to uncover the dozen other factors that are at play that result in those directorial/screenwriting decisions. An understanding of what the storyteller was trying to do. But then again, understanding a lot of it, when the conventions apply and when they don't, is...simply intuitive ig.
I could've probably just said that a filmmaker with a resume like Rian Johnson-the guy who wrote Knives Out and got an Oscar nomination for best screenplay-had heard of "Show don't tell" and be done with it, (tho even that wouldn't have matched the cocky tone of the video), but I guess i decided to be a little constructive.
@@chaddafoe3105 blah blah blah
Recommend watching gennedys Primal
watching it one year later, I can say: "this simple space-western" saved Star Wars by a lot
Mando's self talks with Grogu actually make some kind of sense, i think everyone with Children or especially pets can understand just randomly talking to them
“The mandalorian doesn’t take off his helmet”
Goblin Slayer: This is the way
Wow their backstories really are similar. Mostly silent armoured guy who makes his money by taking bounties and has a grudge against the species that made him an orphan.
Oh you right
@@JP-hk6xw They are nothing alike beyond extremely superficial similarities
Don't bring up that garbage with Mando.
@@carbodude5414 Greatest apologies, I'll be sure to ask for your permission first next time I comment
“I don’t think this space western can save Star Wars”.... here after the season 2 finale. This comment did not age well.
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The power to destroy a franchise is insignificant next to the power of the Disney. The terrible movies will soon be back... and in greater numbers.
@Six Paths Naruto
The same can be said to you.
Edit: Pussy deleted his comment.
Whos line is that?
Its totally a good show, but it doesn't save anything, it just shows how good Star Wars can be
Agree with a lot of chat, the context of Mando speaking more is important: he’s entertaining the child. I feel like his interactions with other characters are largely still the same, until he begins to trust them. You can tell who Mando trusts, because he talks to them more.
thats kinda scary i legit DONT remember there being a stupid voice over during that scene but i went back into the movie to check and... yeah there is. wtf i remember it being silent.
I've forgotten it all tbh
@Roberto Rosean I just tried to fade them out
You remembered better than it is XD
Honestly I don't remember much from the last trilogy, just pretend they don't exist.
@You tube there’s a difference between dialogue that makes you feel a certain way, and dialogue that tells you how to feel. You can very much show with dialogue, or you can tell with it, and while Lucas was telling us how evil the emperor is through his dialogue, Luke’s dialogue in that scene shows us his internal struggle without having to tell us every single thing he’s feeling and why.
Rey’s voice over is an example of telling AND showing. It’s okay to tell when information must come across quickly, it’s always good to show when you have time to, but you should never ever ever show and then tell, or tell and then show, or do both at once, that’s just annoying.
5 minutes into the Mandalorian, my love of Star wars returned.
Took me a little longer, I was still mistrustful, but now in season 2 I’m feeling joy again for Star Wars
It could sound stupid but the moment I saw the pre-release footage from Star Wars Celebration, I knew how much promise it contained. That was alo far exceeded with Season 2 thus far.
@@outoforder0 i believe you, theres like this sixth sense for movies and shows when you have seen a lot, you know when there is potential.
I loved the scene at the beginning . It’s funny how you can tell so much emotion and what he’s thinking even though he is wearing a helmet that shows no facial expression at all.
Valid points but no, he didn’t talk too much, mando just felt more comfortable and talked more as a result of it, he never talks to ppl he doesn’t feel confortavle with, that’s a period statement, it’s shown in the entirety of the show.
I lost it when "some how palpatin is alive" a literally opening line in the movie... They just said it like nothing and accept it without questions and move on 🙃
@Arpice Music Chris Terrio: We said “what if we were to bring Palpatine back?” And within 30 seconds of that idea, we went “that’d be great. Let’s do it.” (Paraphrasing)
Translation: We didn’t think about it at all. We thought of the easiest nostalgia bait and ran with it without any intention of explaining it.
"The First Order Reigns!"
How?!??!?!!!!!?? Didn't they get the crap kicked outta them? And hasn't only been a few days, a week or so _at best_ for the characters?
You can't _Reign_ over the galaxy in that span of time.
Oh right,you're just copying "Empire Strikes Back" but suckier. And not answering anything set up in the previous film.
Nevermind.
@@hellacoorinna9995 don't worry all the background information was in *Fortnite*
@@hellacoorinna9995 still better than the shitstorm that came after it tho
That’s what happens when you don’t make a roadmap for a trilogy and entrust that trilogy in the hands of two people with completely different visions for how the trilogy should go
Mando showed more personality and depth than any new character in the Sequel trilogy in spite of almost always never showing his face.
Kylo Ren disagrees.
Mando can be a fun character, but depth is not one of its qualities. At least he's the only good character in the show.
Gonna have to disagree on this one. Luke, whether you like how his character changed or not, definitely has more depth and characterization in TLJ than Mando. Every other character however, Mando outdoes
@@turinturambar501 i mean, you’re dead wrong homie. Stick to Indian food.
@@bam062988Congratulations, man. You won the award for most ridiculous comment.
@@bam062988 most nonsensical comment ever.
0:50 he has a mask. He has a helmet on the whole time, and yet the writing and the acting both show you exactly how much turmoil Din is in over his decision. It's just an incredible scene all around.
Someone in the movie: talks
This guy: QUIT THAT
Well some of it is unnecessary dialogue
HONESTLY HELNGKENG
@@christianlopez2793 There can always be unnecessary dialogue. But in the examples Mando was talking to the child instead. So it isn't just useless dialogue.
@@tastycake7938 well I’m not talking about the mandalorian Im talking about the sequel trilogy
S2 SPOILERS:
I really enjoy how that scene with the ball is mirrored in season 2, after the Razor Crest is destroyed. When mando picks it up, we can't see his face, but we can still feel how heartbroken he is. It hits so hard, making it one of my favorite scenes in the show.
Yes, this, all of this. You don't even have to see his face to know how absolutely crushed he is. It makes me deeply upset.
Show don’t tell.
A lost art.
@You tube Well what did you expect, that every character in the movie needs to be completely mute? News flash, characters need to talk from time to time, yes Palpatine is telling in this scene but when Luke saw what he did to Vader when he lost himself (as mentioned in the video) was showing, I like how you glossed over that btw.
And saying Rey has better writing than Palpatine and saying Kylo is a complex character is fucking stupid, that tells me you are either biased or too butt hurt to see the Sequel Trilogy failed. And yes, there was Snoke talking when Rey grabbed Kylo’s lightsaber, Luke’s death WAS a joke in the eyes of many (the majority pretty much) and are you seriously praising Holdo? Who’s a complete waste of space character that replaced Ackbar as a colossal middle finger to fans?
Lastly, why the hell are you dumping this on ME?! I was only saying I missed show don’t tell in movies.
@@nicholasshealy9040 They're Disney trilogy fans, don't expect to hear anything worth listening to. Probably thinks Rey is one of the greatest Star Wars characters, too! 😂
@@darrensmith8730 Touché
@You tube you seem really stupid and the Disney trilogy is not canon, it’s trash.
Yeah but people still love the prequels that most of those are nothing bu boring talking with dated cgi.
I think the Qui-Gon and Maul scene is my personal favorite. There is so much emotion and tension there without the need for over explaining things. I also really liked how they hinted at thing between Qui-Gon and Dooku which pointed out a lot of things about the two and revealed deeper levels without having to say it.
I don't get the "it's for children" argument. This is condescending and implying kids are really dumb when exactly the contrary is true. They may not understand everything but they will feel it and even remember it. Then it will resurface time and time again when they are growing up until they fully understand it. All that is of course if the movie is meaningful and truly emotional and inspiring. In the same vein kids nowadays without any doubt have caught how shallow and unimaginative the new trilogy is.
While I agree with you, I never thought the "it's for kids" argument was in regards to how deep it is. I always thought it was for things relating to humor, like Jar Jar, and the overall tone of the movie i.e: not too dark, not too sexual, etc.
@@isaiah9666 Princess Leia in a slave bikini? Mail committing murders. Sidious and Vader torturing people. Many others. Hard to believe it’s a show for children. Honestly I think that was an excuse by Lucas and others distance themselves from all the silly shit they put in the movies. Star Wars isn’t a super serious sci-fi show by any means, but once you hit ROTJ and you get Ewoks? Wtf? Takes away from the movie. Same with jar jar and and all the terrible cgi in the prequels.
People who make that argument shouldn't be parents, because it means they aren't willing and/or capable of challenging and encouraging children to think harder and focus better.
@@uhavenosushi Star Wars is something for everybody, but it is mainly targeted at a younger audience, the movies especially. George Lucas, has always been more focused on telling HIS story anyway, fuck the demographics, so honestly, if you like Star Wars then just deal with his decisions.
That said, the Clone Wars is aimed at teens and preteens, so the more adult parts of it are excusable. That's not really a show for little kids, and never has been or even acted like it. All the other stuff goes to show how it is aimed at kids. All the death we saw, we rarely saw any blood. After the Mos Eisely incident, we didnt see blood again. They kept the deaths and dismemberment but made it more kid friendly. Slave Leia is honestly nothing. Any kid who is old enough to understand the movie they are watching has more likely than not been to the beach. I highly doubt slave Leia was any kids first time seeing a woman in a bikini, not to mention bikinis in real life are much skimpier. People who shit on the Ewoks like you, I just dont get it. It's there for the kids. That didnt ruin the whole movie, not in the slightest. Please explain how it did so, because I simply dont understand. Jar Jar is annoying now, sure, but for little kids hes the funniest thing in existence. He sure was for me and all my friends. I remember everybody in elementary school would mimic his stupid walk and talk. And in what way was the CGI terrible? That was cutting edge CGI, especially for it's time. Most movies in 1999-2005 didnt look NEARLY as good
If it was "for children" it wouldnt be using a franchise from the late 70s. Its for star wars fans, with an emphasis on gaining new viewership.
“I don’t believe that this simple space western can or will save the Star Wars franchise”. Great video, but oh boy is it saving the franchise.
For sure. All the new projects announced prove it.
Just looking at the projects, most of them just ignore the sequels or tiptoe around them so that they don't have to engage it. But this? We literally want to know about everybody there.
WHO SAID THAT LINE
The fact that Mando can be more expressive while nearly always having his helmet on then Rei can never stops to amaze me. Small music tones, Pedro’s amazing body movement and subtle changes that are built around the framework of the audiences understanding of Mando as a character and the situation means that we almost always know what he is going to do.
Mandalorian is the proof that with good writing and director you can still see the emotion that they try/want to tell
“I don’t think this show can save Star Wars”
Mandalorian season 2 finale: “I’m about to end this man’s career”.
Lol
Low fan service.
Bruh twas awesome. It’s Dave filoni and Jon favraue snapping Disney back into place.
@@turinturambar501 -- There was nothing "low" about it. The entire planet of Star Wars fans erupted with an outpouring of joyous tears that was ~37 years in the making, and was enough to fill an Olympic-sized swimming pool.
What is probably "low" are the Serotonin levels of the glorified bloggers ("journalists") who excel at publicly wallowing in self-pity online and hating whomever refuses to listen to their naive, expertise-devoid advice. These people behave like perpetually miserable sleuths who're in dire need of medical attention -- ideally, with an anti-depressant prescription.
@@vikkran401 I find your lack of faith disturbing.
I just hope they learn something from the success of Mando and apply those lessons to future films and shows
I feel like Star Wars plays out so much better as a TV show. It’s not rushed or convoluted like the Sequels
That's a really great point actually
@@fortuna19 so true, clone wars tv show is the peak of starwars
The thing is, there are a fair bit amount of problems with The Mandalorian still even with great writers working on it. It makes me wonder how much the higher ups at Disney try to influence the show.
First time ?
The funny thing is, “show, don’t tell” is 101 for screen writing! 😂
Yet they’re also taught that there are times that they have to actually tell, or even weirder times when telling makes the scene better. And it’s easy as a writer to feel like you may have found that moment. It’s also easy to believe that there’s no way an audience is going to know everything you’re trying to say, and you feel like if you don’t give them something they won’t follow.
Like any discussion worth having it’s not simply black-and-white.
"Show, don't tell" is Screenwriting 101 but it's also incredibly difficult to balance. Everyone understands this principle and almost every film maker fails to get it right a vast majority of the time. What type of balance is "right" is subjective. Star Wars was created for kids and while it appeals to adults as well, it still is designed to be easily digestible for kids. Often kids need more telling and not showing.
@You tube what he means is Luke looking at his robotic hand. He realizes if he goes down that path, he will become his father, he will become Vader, but even worse maybe. Obviously the Emperor is delivering the exposition, but he was referring to the unspoken moment there. It was the crux of not just the movie, but if the original trilogy. And at no point do we get a voiceover explaining what Luke was feeling, or him later telling another person what he was feeling, but we didn't need it anyway.
@@Blendercage that's true, but I think the best piece of advice on regards to story telling I've heard it's to "trust your readers (or viewers) that they are smart enough to pick up what you're putting down." When you show but don't tell, you are trusting that the themes you've established will come through without even having to say a word. In writing is a little different, because you can tell what internal monologue is happening. But in film the only way to do that is via voiceover, or dialog. But you can also do that with "show, don't tell" because you have a visual medium to do it with. Yes, sometimes you need exposition, you need dialog, and if that's your story telling style, with voiceovers. But you should strive to make it organic. I remember a video talking about Tolkien, and how he wrote from the hobbits perspective, and he did this because they didn't know as much as the others. They were the ones asking the questions, and we as the reader felt like the hobbits, it made it more relatable. When a story uses the everyman character as our avatar to a fictional world, we learn what they learn, we ask the questions they ask, then exposition feels more organic. Things her explained and occur naturally as part of the story, rather than getting huge expositional dumps every few chapters. Yes, sometimes you do need that too, but if you trust your readers, introduce exposition organically, and if you can get the same basic information coveyed without words, then it makes it feel more like a story that you are in, and not passively watching from the outside.
@You tube you're bringing up the rest of the scene that OP omitted. Sure, the scene as a whole is pretty Tell-y, but that MOMENT in the scene, those few seconds that OP brought up is the example he wished to use to make his point
The fact you cant see Mando's face at all yet can feel so much emotion through the scarce voice lines and body language is crazy
I don't think that Mando becoming more talkative and explanatory at the 4th episode is bad. It shows that he is a round character, that changes his behavior when he gets closer to the child. Great video btw, I love it!
A happy balance between showing and telling is the better option. Relying too much on either one will inevitably create problems along the way because they both have limitations.
Big true. The original trilogy starts with an opening crawl of exposition after all.
Perfectly balanced, as all things should be.
@You tube TFA and TLJ kinda were meh. After the last Jedi I just stopped watching Star Wars movies so Eh.
@You tube You're focusing way too much on critic scores. For example, if you look at the user score of these movies, they are usually a lot lower. Metacritics user score for TLJ is a 4.3. I'm not sure what makes the critics more right than the fans, especially when the fans are the ones who will ultimately make or break a movie's success
@You tube Yeah, I have a hard time trusting anything critics say. Critics shat on Willow when it first came out.
This scene hit different after the last episode
Enough to make a grown man cry
Yeah, the show took a serious nosedive in season 2 :(
@Ryan Reffert Earth so far, but I am eagerly watching the Starship testflight right now, so it might be Mars in the future :D
@@fantasy9917 season 2 has been great so far
@@beanjuice4263 the latest episode was kinda meh, far to short for what they wanted to cram in
I liked when mando talked bc he was always warm and fatherly with grogu while being cold and reserved with anyone else
one year later: mandalorian did save star wars
now that there will be 3 plus more starwars series coming soon in disney plus, i think it would be cool and wise for them just to let the new trilogy go. never mention it again, and perhaps make it non canon
@@syrup9701 like that’s ever gonna happen
@@intheclear3492 can i at least dream
THE FROG EGGS in the mandalorian have better character development than REY in 3 Movies
Exactly. Plus they fucking name dropped Thrawn so this is instantly better than the new trilogy
@@blackpantherjon9709 references dont make something good. Although i agree this season is fantastic
Cynic at Best well actually references can make something good. It might not determine the whole episode but it makes the moment “good” if you will because it causes excitement in most cases
@@DeathbatOfSpades yeah I wouldn’t agree but I wouldn’t disagree either. It just makes me so hopeful for the future
And that's a goddamn fact
I feel like the mandalorian had a great usage of the dialogue. Mando is a cold mercenary who only follows the creed to the letter and hates droids. This is how he begins but after baby yoda, he begins to change, he talks a bit more, in the season finally he begins to let go of his hatred and accept droids, he is becoming less a cold killer and more of a person as a whole. It’s showing us his progressive growth as a character and not telling us he is growing. That is what I love about the show. I feel a good inclusion would be Mando separates from baby yoda and he begins slipping back into the cold unfeeling bounty hunter before so prone confronts him on it and he realizes the importance the child’s holds for him.
how is mando a cold mercenery? where is it shown in the series? most dialogues in mandalorian are exposition. go here, do that.
@@Bothandle70 well we get to it almost right away, he takes a job working for the empire with little hesitation. He was all about the job, until he met the child. Now we know he was raised by death watch, who are pretty "cold" too.
@@Bothandle70 That's kind of making him a mercenary. He's "going here, doing that" because he is either being paid to, like a mercenary, or feels honoured/bound by an agreement to (like a Mandalorian, or even a good mercenary with a code of honour)
@@Perseus7567 he isn't doing it for money though. only two mission was for money. and second mission he got baby yoda back. rest of the missions he is doing it to get baby yoda back to the jedi. so no hint of being cold at all.
@@Bothandle70 Well if we are talking about him being cold:
1) Literally straight-up threatened to kill the guy in Chapter One. Then froze him in carbonite.
2) Betrayed the Guild for his own reasons.
3) Locked Mayfield + crew in that floating prison ship cos why not
4) Brought the tracking beacon back to the space station in the same prison break episode just to kill those guys.
5) Left that guy to hang from the light pole in Season 2, in order for him to be eaten by the animals.
6) Pretty much threatened to just kill Boba Fett instead of talking.
7) Shot the IG hunter after finding baby yoda cos mando wants baby yoda
I could probably pick so many more scenes where he was "cold" But I won't.
The thing in mandalorian that for me was a complete unknown until season 2 was the inconsistency of the rules for mandalorians between the show and the other series, but in season 2 all that was answered in a few lines from Bo Katan, when he asked why they weren't wearing the helmets everytime, "he is one of them". Knowing how many different viewpoints mandalorians had in the show about what is right, what is honorable, how they should behave, etc. That immediately told me he was part of a group that was not widely accepted by mandalorians, that was even more radical (in their view, not in actions) than Deathwatch. I also was intrigued when the armor of Boba was shown, it is also interesting than in one scene with Boba in his armor they did more for that character than the original trilogy.
This is the exact same reason why I LOVED the last season of clone wars. Even though it is animated, you can easily listen the body language of the characters.
They used mocap for that season, so while it's animated, you're also watching actors, not just animators.
Damn, the Maul acting was so good. Both movements and voice
@@Saigonas They got Ray Park to do the mocap for that exact reason, so that Maul's body language is the same as that from The Phantom Menace!
Best part imo is the respect between Ray Park and Sam Witwer that they have for each other to bring Maul to life as a whole character for us to enjoy!
@@Saigonas yeah Maul is on another level
I think in the mandalorian it makes sense
Because he is talking to a child
He's explaining the world to him.
He's making him open up, instead of being closed off
This simple space based western did save the franchise.
I’m so glad you brought up Luke’s hand from ROTJ! It really is perfect. They never talk about his hand, but in the start of the film they make sure to show us his hand being damaged and remind us with his glove. So simple but perfect. Also, side note, having only one black glove on his hand showing Luke’s balance between dark and light. The dark concealing what he lost to the dark side since he battled Vader in Empire with fear and battling emotion. Anytime someone goes against the force, the force takes its pound of flesh. And that shits so cool
This guy: "Show don't tell"
Also this guy: "Imagine how better these scenes would've been if the flashbacks were audio only" 10:21
Haha i get what your saying, but the flashback audio wouldnt “tell” us what happened. It would still invoke mystery and make us wonder about the flashbacks and what exectly happened
how dumb is he?
Audio =/= telling.
Showing and telling come down to how you use your tools. You can show with audio or dialogue too, what matters is how you use your tools not necessarily what tools you are using.
@@PlaysTheThing although it being just audio could have been cool I kind of liked that they showed flashbacks in shaky cuts and only when his armour was getting upgraded, so I feel it was handled pretty well
I agree with everything you say in this video, except for the last part.
To be fair, I think Mando's sudden change is understandable. He's in a situation he's never been in (caring for another instead of just jumping from bounty to bounty). I think it makes sense to see him unexpectedly becoming friendlier with Grogu (especially if we take into account he's basically a little kid) and it's a nice touch, even more so considering that was the first time he decided to help his "objective", so he's already in a difficult spot he's not familiar with. It reminds the audience he's a living, breathing, empathic being and that his behavior is not a certain set of patterns you can just predict. He adapts to the situation, and in my opinion it makes a lot of sense.
Other than that, amazing video. You really manage to capture the reason the new trilogy is so lacking in narrative.
It's almost like we're watching what's happening in universe, instead of the movie being aware of its audience.
thats what made star wars so great! you werent told everything but had to put pieces together, giving the feeling that you're truly in a large world where life goes on whether you're there or not (at least for me)
That’s all I ever wanted, I’ve never liked fourth wall breaks, intentional or unintentional
@@AndreNitroX do you hate the Deadpool movies?
@@marcusfraser2790 deadpool does it right
@@AndreNitroX ah wheww 😂👌
9:13 almost killed me LMAO oh man, such a great show, Mando then picks him up like " alright I've had enough " lol, all in the body language
I’m learning about the show don’t tell stuff in school, this was a very good example! Thanks!
Get busy living or get busy dying
You can find a lot of good examples in Breaking Bad.
But, aren't you famous for narrating films, Morgan? ;)
@@l0333 morgan doesn't narrate he creates the story with his voice as he speaks.
@@AndreNitroX This is in fact correct.
Yes, the style definitely starts to change from Ep 4 onward, but that's a part of the story. It's Mando's character development. He starts as this closed off, nearly silent Boba Fett wannabe, but as he engages with the Child he engages with the world more, and becomes more of a complete character.
Yeah I talked more about that in the follow-up.
"Show dont tell"
Mandalorian: so I show Luke
I agree with everything you said up till the last 2 minutes. I don't see how Din breaking his normal silent guy routine could be seen as a bad thing. He doesn't have experience with children so he's awkwardly explaining to him where they're going, even though Grogu probably didn't understand a word he said. If anything, it shows how underneath the mysterious silent bounty hunter exterior is also a caring father figure who's trying his best to take care of a child but doesn't know how to do. That's not lazy writing, it's character development
Was it awkward? To me it felt totally natural, like how any dad would talk to his kid. And that was the entire problem for me. Mando should *grow* into his dad role. It should have been *more* awkward. The style and his character shifted instantly instead of gradually.
The last remark didn’t age well 💀
And you can argue wether it’s saving Star Wars or not but when there are people literally buying Disney+ specifically for the show I’d say it’s doing a pretty good job
This guy really saw Lesson From the Sceenplay and though “Imma do that”. At least you tried.
Good.
great, even.
neat, if you will
Excellent, if you feel so inclined
Sheev: *Good.... GOOOOOOD*
[Not exactly]
Except, here the voiceover acts sort of like a J-Cut, setting up the next scene, setting up the fact that she's sharing her feelings with someone and we, the audience, wonder if it is Luke, and the next scene reveals it's Kylo himself she's sharing her deepest feelings with, not Luke. Instead of the Rey-Kylo scene having its own beginning as a separate scene, it begins *along with* the cave scene with the voiceover, and is followed by the Rey-Luke "fight". Johnson seamlessly blends these 3 scenes and creates one sequence that has its own 3 acts (not that it necessarily had to, but it does).
Act 1: Rey goes in the cave, faces the reflections, and the voiceover seamlessly leads to the next scene, mid-conversation, and the revelation that it's Kylo she's talking to.
Act 2: Rey-Kylo bonds, only to be interrupted by Luke, which leads to their confrontation.
Act 3: Confrontation culminates with Luke's revelation. Resolution- Rey leaves Luke.
An incrediblely written and directed sequence where the voiceover plays a vital role naturally tying the two scenes together other than just explaining what's happening on screen. Also, the cave scene is complex enough to rely on more than the visual medium, her verbal contemplation of how she felt is perfectly justified, and her openness with Kylo about how she felt pushes their bond forward.
In the Luke-Yoda scene, Luke is showing his anger and frustration by saying it outloud to Yoda that he's burning it all down, almost as if he wants Yoda to stop him from doing so. But Yoda does the exact opposite to drive home the lesson, to Luke's own surprise (THE SACRED JEDI TEXT!). The fact that Mando gradually becomes talkative not only paves way for (necessary) exposition, but also shows his growth and bond with Baby Yoda.
It's easy for an amateur analytical filmgoer or aspiring filmmaker to look at conventional screenwriting sayings like "Show don't tell" or quotes from great writers, take them at face value and start applying them to scenes left and right, without analyzing those scenes further to uncover the dozen other factors that are at play that result in those directorial/screenwriting decisions. An understanding of what the storyteller was trying to do. But then again, understanding a lot of it, when the conventions apply and when they don't, is...simply intuitive ig.
I could've probably just said that a filmmaker with a resume like Rian Johnson-the guy who wrote Knives Out and got an Oscar nomination for best screenplay-had heard of "Show don't tell" and be done with it, (tho even that wouldn't have matched the cocky tone of the video), but I guess i decided to be a little constructive.
the talking in episode 4 is just him trying to communicate with grogu whom he's starting to feel. a bond with