NEW SEAT LEON - TIME TO CANCEL THAT Mk8 GOLF?!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 13 ต.ค. 2020
- FULL AND FRANK REVIEW OF A RIGHT HAND DRIVE CAR ON IMPERFECT UK ROADS
In this 100% non-sponsored video I get to grips with the new Seat Leon because after my time with the Mk8 Golf in June and new Audi A3 in August I was keen to see how the new Leon shaped up as it seemed to fix aesthetic issues of the Golf but for a significantly lower price than its rivals. It wasn't just me that wanted to find out, numerous people on social media asked for this test, something which encouraged the kind chaps at Seat UK to lend me this box fresh Leon Estate 1.5 eTSI EVO FR Estate. I did have the choice of a hatchback but wanted a Leon with the eTSI mild hybrid engine to keep things on a level playing field with the Golf I tested and this was the only choice. The other reason was because I'd recently owned a 2019 FR TDI Estate and my memories of this were still vivid.
The Leon is marginally cheaper than the equivalent Golf but what do you lose because of that savings, and are there in fact gains to be had too?
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Background info on me : I wrote for VW Driver and Audi Driver magazines from 2003-2019. I've been selling VW Group cars since 2002 as my only job. I passed my driving test in 1994 and my first car was a Polo, second was a Golf, 3rd was a Golf GTI. I have been a VWG owner ever since but work allows me to drive a lot of cars from other manufacturers to which I have an open mind but none have swayed me, yet.....
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Seems like I’m in the minority - I think this is a very handsome car. Love the rear light design.
Yh i do as well. I think most seats are fine looking cars, as modern cars go. No they will not become classics, but thats not the point of these vehicles.
How does anyone think it’s not handsome?
I've a Golf 7.5 R Estate. If I was to replace it now, would def go for the Cupra Leon Estate over the Golf 8 Estate
That’s great to read. I’ve ordered one and I’m really concerned that I’ve made a mistake. I genuinely thought the FR would have independent rear suspension! Gutted! Also I didn’t realise there were no physical buttons! Oh well, let’s just hope it hold its value to some degree.
I love the thing so much I just bought one in this spec (couple small options ticked)
When I first saw them I preferred my current Leon and didn't like the front but it's really grown on me a lot, the only bit I'm still unsure about is the Leon script on the back.
Having the learn the infotainment system doesn't bother me, I'm a tech head so will pick that up quick, there's only the climate controls that could be seen as annoying but I tend to set the temp and let the car do it's thing now anyway so don't really change things about when driving.
I like to watch reviews, especially at this moment when we can't really go test driving a car but I always take things with a pinch of salt, some of the things different reviewers pick up on are complete non issues. Like one picked up on the slider for the volume and how it was "dangerous" when driving... use the bloody volume wheel on the steering wheel ya idiot like everyone else will that actually spends some time with the car.
I have the hatch version of this, same engine and even same colour, find it so relaxing to drive on the road, find the ride is absolutely fine, the screen after a couple of days makes total sense , all round love it, its 150bhp with 17in wheels, it is never going to be a performance car, I have the Audi for that.
Wow! You are giving us lots of stuff to enjoy. Thanks for all the great work.
My pleasure!
Excellent review, thank you!
Visually the exterior is very appealing especially in estate. Interesting to note your view of the interior compared to VW as on video they do look very similar. I do think the gap is narrowing each time. Great video again thanks
Andrew an excellent review as always. Though it strikes me, the reason cars now have blind spot warning indicators is because the majority of drivers are too lazy to look over their shoulder before changing lanes. Same with auto wipers and lights. If drivers can't figure out they need lights on when it's dark or wipers when it's wet perhaps they should be taking the bus!.
How about it you take a right hand drive vehicle touring in europe, wouldn't blind spot monitoring be useful there ?
It's great to watch a review of a 'normal / every day' car for a change. It's also refreshing for the reviewer to be balanced and realistic. As for the car, overall, it looks decent, although I'm not convinced by those wheels. I absolutely agree with you that Seat should be supplying all Leon's with multi link suspension as standard - especially if they have a £2000 leeway! Ultimately, I have a feeling this model will be a good buy when its three years old, and has taken the biggest hit on depreciation. Keep up the good work!!
As soon as you mentioned beam rare axle at this price point sparked thoughts of cheap skate VW group. Like the mild hybrid power train though. Lack lustre looks only brightened by running lights at rear end. Cupra will be better I hope
Excellent review. Won’t be changing my Cupra ST for a couple of years . Hope ,by then, these cars may be getting the usual mid life facelift and some of the issues you pointed out will be addressed . Also maybe get a better deal than on a newly introduced car
Great honest review as always, and totally agree. Would love to see a Golf MK 8 R-Line review...its definitely another level to the Style which you reviewed previously...and looks soooo much better. Borrow mine if you like😉
One of the nicest looking estate cars out there....Some nice SEAT products out these days.
Great review, thank you! How is the interior holding up so far? Any anoying creaks or rattles?
Can you now test the mk8 variant? Noise, comfort etc.:) And I think the Golf 8 exterior is much better looking than the leon and the Audi. I dont get why people are complaining about the front of the golf when it is much nicer than the previous model:)
Hey! Love your reviews!
Just some constructive feedback, audio during the drive was not in stereo. So only coming from the left of my headphones.
Keep up the great work!
Looks better than the Golf for sure, I think I'd go for the A3 though. Looks great inside and out.
I will definitely be sticking with my MK2 Leon Cupra love this thing and cannot find any other VAG car that looks better and offers better bang for buck
Great video! I'd have to agree for the sake of 2k at this price point the golf is the winner, also agree though that the seat is nicer looking on the outside though.
Fantastic review thank you Andrew, it's made up my mind now to go ahead and get one of these stunningly fabulous cars. 👍 Ps, it's going to be my first new car.
Lukas
On the “original” left hand drive car, all the mild hybrid tech is on the opposite side of the driver, for better weight distribution. Guess VAG didn’t bother to move it over in the UK version...
Tip: buy the plug-in hybrid. It’s basically a Golf GTE drivetrain from 2015 with 204bhp. But lots of updates and refinements, and battery is up from 10kWh to 13kWh capacity. Oh and that car gets the fully independent rear suspension, and with that a great ride in spite of an extra 200kg.
Great review! We won't get those in the US, which is a shame, because I really like the styling of the Leon better than any of the VW's currently being sold. My guess is the higher performance model will give the VW's a run for the money in all categories! Happy driving!
A good all rounder with some nice standard options. If you are not a brand affiliate, arguably better value overall. I still think most will want the prestige of VW/Audi ownership which means SEAT will still get overlooked by the majority of those in the market for a VAG product (similar in part to Skoda). The Cupra version on the other hand is a more attractive proposition again. A well balanced review as always Andrew, thank you.
Much rather have this, than the new golf. Great honest review.
Lane change assist warning light is much better on your peripheral vision since it detects any movement much better ie. flashing light. I have hard time noticing it when it is in mirror like in my Fiesta
Two weeks and I get my golf 👍 had the mk2 Leon diesel fr loved it as well
Great review Andrew - I’d go for a low spec model of this - it looks great inmho and apart from maybe an Octavia estate it would be my choice but omg we don’t get the Seat brand in Oz anymore so Skoda or a Golf it is :)
Picking up the 150 eTSI tomorrow.. The torsion bar is for 130 and below. The 150's, the plug-in hybrid and the cupra have independent rear suspension
No correct. Dealers are confused when saying that (assume you know from the dealer). Mine, I had him to re-check and turns no independent rear suspension. For same version as you have.
Again another great video! I was picking between the Leon and golf 8 and I decided to go for the golf. On the FR the side assist and wrap around isn’t standard it’s an upgrade and although the Leon is good value for money I think the golf is more premium
OK Ross thanks, I checked the vehicle info from Seat UK and it didn't list it as an extra, in fact it listed no extra cost options
@@volkswizard it’s standard on the first edition only I think they wanted £1300 and you get the wrap around and also the predictive cruise control 😊 unless they’ve changed it recently
@@volkswizard yeah ignore me! they’ve just introduced the xcellence models so it’s now standard on the FR! Wasn’t available when I looked last month
@volkswizard have you herd about the kangaroo problem when cold on the 1.5 tsi Evo
I ordered a Leon 150 evo tsi FR Sport on order on 5th October. 10-12 weeks for delivery, had a 66 golf gtd before that and wasn't really a fan of the mk 8.
Nice car, I have a 2019 Leon Cupra 290 and on a run from Oxford to Newcastle I get an easy 46 mpg I can’t believe these modern petrol engines there amazing on fuel....
I’m really not sure about this estate version. Think I prefer the hatch. Like the rear lights 👍
Would be great to see this review done on the Cupra Formentor 1.5 TSI DSG especially the motorway MPG
Re the torsion beam suspension. Yes compromised but being a wagon does it give more boot space? Also note the Astra has a “Watts link” in addition to a torsion beam. It’s meant overcome some of the issues
I love Seat, I bought a Seat Ibiza SE Copa ‘12, despite it being an older car now I was surprised at the amount of technology it has. It’s good to for getting me to uni and back. But great video I’m looking to buyer a newer one or a VW golf.
Technology? Like a cigarette lighter?
@@ST-ur7oh no, cruise control, heated mirrors, automatic lights, anti-dazzle technology, electric side mirrors, automatic right and left turning lights, and then optional extra like tinted windows, different body trim, leather steering wheel & seats, AC, digital display. It’s pretty impressive for a ‘12 car, considering most of this technology doesn’t come with many mid range cars manufactured in the last 5 years. Most hatchbacks don’t have this technology so in my books it’s impressive, plus it’s a reliable car I can depend on I do over 20K miles a year and I’ve not had one issue yet.
Ive got the Golf Mk8 but sadly Ive had some issues with it, pre Oct 2020 eTSI, after this date they changed the spec to include some more standard goodies. Im quite keen on the leon as it has what the Golf does but not the software and hardware issues and of course poor customer service from VW UK.
You are right on the subtle differences between the two vehicles, VW is a bit more premium and the ride on the eTSI is pretty smooth.
Can you trust the trip computer on a VW Group car to give you accurate mpg data? They wouldn't, would they?
Where you have cars that share the same or similar platforms both exterior and interior you get very similar cars, indeed you tend to pay a bit more or less depending on the badge.
As in a previous comment I made ( Golf 8) there's not to much to fault SEAT, their packages are similar as you would expect knowing the parent company.
Where you find the differences is in small touches that add that bit of induduality and or styling that kind of sways your thought process's into liking that particualr brand.
In addition after sales play a large part ( well it did in my purchase of the VW), we drivers really do not get that warm feeling of a good car, good after service, problem free motoring, SEAT's quality seems to last longer these days ( Used market), materials are a better standard, would I have one, I was tempted until I noted the hard ride, wasnt going to pay that extra on something that should be standard.
Own an 5 year old FR ST I found this an interesting review. I like the looks but not a fan of every control hidden on the interactive display. Suspension choice for the FR is a let down. Any chance of getting hold of an Octavia? Then you've done the quartet.
I'll definitely do Octavia at some point Ian, as you say, doing the full set has its appeal 😁
Interesting comments on the ride. I've had 2 mark 3 Leon STs. 2014 FR 1.4 140 and 2017 SE 1.6tdi.
Both torsion beam.
The 1.4FR was too hard. Good on motorways but firm everywhere else. The SE is softer but still has a firm edge. Can sometimes be slightly jiggly. The FR also a lot noisier with 17s. My current SE is quiet in terms of tyre noise. The cabin of the new model looks more modern and more spacious. Golf looks a little bit nicer inside. Still think Leon's make most sense 2nd hand. Much cheaper at 1 or 2 years old. Also, every car I've had or hired with Michelin tyres has been loud. Most recent a Hyundai i20 which was louder at 30 than my Leon is at 60! My focus mark 1 on Michelins was deafening. My good year all season tyres are very quiet and the Hancock that came with it also quiet. I'd definitely try and get independent suspension next time.
Great informative video, been waiting to see what they’re like. I’m quite impressed actually. I think SEAT’s downside is some people expect a Golf for £3000 less. Wasn’t sure about the rear when I first saw it but I think it’s really nice, front end, like you say is a bit Focus. It’s a shame Audi don’t do an A3 estate, but then that would be £5000+ more. Look forward to the Cupra version 👍🏻
Thanks for watching Greg👍
Good video as usual Andrew. I’ve got a mk 7.5 gti performance at the moment and there’s nothing from the VAG group that tempts me to upgrade which is a shame.
Thanks! Same here Philip, hopefully when we are deeper into the production run, the best models will be launched. The Cupra Leon range sounds interestings within basically direct rivals for GTI, GTE and R as well as 300 PS front wheel drive version I think and a 310 PS AWD Estate which should be fun.
Looks good. I know what you mean about petrol fuel economy. I recently bought a 69 plate polo gti. Like for like driving. It’s better than my 2.0 tdi A4 I had before it Obviously if I nail it the mpg disappears. But day to day going to work. I could get 48 ish mpg in the Audi. In the polo I can get 51 almost 52. Petrol is the way forward
Great video, as always👍. Interesting comparison between 3 of the 4 main VAG cars (I await your test of the new Skoda Octavia....).
I totally agree with your view of the rear suspension - on a normal drive, you wouldn't be driving any slower with a lesser powered car than a higher powered one (unless you're on a track or an Autobahn!), so why cut cost like that? Irritates me!
Purely personal thing, but I actually prefer the digital representation of analogue dials on the Seat (& the Golf 8 too) to those on the Audi virtual cockpit...
Don't think a Leon would be for me - I'd probably go for a Golf 8 (the A3 is good & as I mentioned on another comment, my Wife has just bought one!), but I'd be looking for an estate. Other than that, choosing between a Golf 8 hatch & an Audi A3 Sportback is not that easy....pros & cons to both, to be honest.
Styling? Ok, although I don't like that gimmicky across the tailgate tail light - would be distracting if you were following a Leon at night on a single carriageway....I like the Golf rear end, but I do like simple, unfussy styling (or "boring", perhaps🤣).
Keep the videos coming - they are honest, impartial & very informative. And I was being serious about the Skoda too - comparing Seats & Skodas would be a good thing!
Great review. I’m on my second Leon Cupra St latest being 2019 and I won’t be buying the new one. The rear of the new estate is just horrid compared to the old car.
Full price not so sure they are good value but I have seen brand new FR 150 TSI manuals on Autotrader around the 19k mark. At this point they make a lot of sense.
Does well on the motorway I’ve got a 2019 Octavia estate 1.5tsi no e assist stuff and that is rubbish on the motorway it averages 37 to 40mpg at 70mph. Strangely so round town you can get 50mpg if you drive with efficiency in mind. Normal driving 30 to 35 mpg. Not bad to say it’s a petrol none the less
Will be keeping my A1 1.4 sport , think we are at that point where function over form matters, where control is required! Car's with less electronics please
Wtf would you keep an A1 which is junk over this?
looks like they have done a nice marketing move here by making the Seat look nicer and slightly cheaper but in return for a lesser quality version of a Golf as usual.. same with the Skoda Scala.
Could the Octavia be the one to have, then? The golf estate, the Octavia estate and the Leon estate have the same wheelbase. The Octavia also has multi-link (or at least I'm lead to believe that). Whilst it may not have proper HVAC controls, it has the all impossible clima button. It may just be the pick of the bunch considering the snow brush/umbrella in the doors, and the washer fluid cap that doubles up as a funnel.
Does the front passenger seat backrest fold down for loading extra long objects? e.g 2.5 long furniture, surfboards
Am I the only one that hates the new italic font for the Leon on the back? I was behind one the other day and I just thought it looked naff! Should kept it bold and strong for me.
Agree
I have a mk4 golf with 270k miles - torsion beam bushes are original. I also have a Passat b7 estate which had all new swing arms at the back costing a small fortune at 80000 miles as was less faff than replacing all the bushes. It’s also a nightmare to align and have had rear tyre wear issues even with new parts and correct setup. I’m all for sacrificing a bit of handling for durability.
What if you try with adaptiv chassie with dampers?? How is the comfort then?
Have a c class s205 at the moment, im going to order a Leon Sportstourer as an no no nonsense family car. The Seat looks as nice in its own way, has much more passenger and luggage space. With 17" wheels and DCC its not worse than my C Class with Airmatic on 17" winter tires, at least in normal driving, the DCC handles small bumps even slightly better... the Airmatic in the Merc isnt worth the money and isn't as comfy soft as one might think. Seat did a good job with the Leon.
I have the 2021 1.5 TSI Evo FR hatchback and I definitely don't agree with your review on the ride comfort, its definitely not a harsh ride, it's quite smooth to drive on UK roads and smooths the mild bumps out very well, I think the harshness you describe is because you are testing the estate which imo is not as good looking either. You meed to tell the viewers that you have the FR Sport because there are more driver assist options with the FR Sport over the FR. As for road noise take off the Michelins and put pirelli cinturato P7 seal inside tyres on, always more road noise with an estate over the hatchback
if the car doesn't have shortcuts for climate on the dash what are the 2 blue and red panels for?
The price difference is far more higher than 2K if you want the same engine and similar configuration.
Is the multilink the same as what they call sports suspension? thank you
Had two mk3 Fr 2.0 150bhp diesels over the years and loved them. Not sure about the mk4 leon at all , new body design resembles other manufacturers designs, material pattern on the seats, design of dash ie air vents, no foot rest for right foot, no holder for sunglasses and just to top it off there isn't a diesel engine available yet. Gone back to vw and a had Golf - MK7.5 GT 2.0 diesel for time being. SEAT Mk 4 may 'grow on me' in time....
So if you removed all the mild hybrid equipment of that car it would save about 2 grand how far would 2 grand of fuel get u
Cheaper cost than golf but don’t mention residuals or depreciation.
The dashboard is exactly like the mk7.5 its probably the standard of dashboard layout and design now across all
It's a good looking car - although on this particular FR spec, the wheels make it look ten years older. My BIGGEST problem with SEAT's styling, however, is the wheel arch gap on their PHEVs. It really is sitting so high - and this includes the Cupra models - that it is significantly compromising the looks on these cars. Is this REALLY necessary, SEAT?
Hey, I'm not sure if this is just me but I'm hearing a lot of white noise on your camera mic but then with the drive it literally only plays in my left ear (I use headphones), not your fault but thought I'd let you know because I don't know if anyone else has brought it up yet. After all, a good video can make up for poor audio quality! :)
How do you change the colour of the interior lighting
9:10 that's the hill hold assist button, even the start stop system button is on the infotainment 😬
I think VAG are going down the road of cost cutting to make up for diesel-gate. It's an awful shame as the Golf 6/7 are fantastic cars whereas the Golf 8 seems a step down. Same goes for Skoda where the Octavia 2 had multi link rear suspension and a full on RHD conversion where the bonnet release and handbrake were on the right side whereas they weren't moved in the later models. I hope this doesn't spell the end for the marque.
On my 4th Leon which is a 67 excellence 1.4 150 model. Over the past few months, I've watched reviews on all 4 new VAG cars. Best looking is the A3, Best interior is the Octavia, Best all-rounder is the Golf, Best value is the Octavia ..... Leon is lacking here and requires a bit of sparkle, as mentioned lack of shortcut buttons for climate etc and independent rear suspension are deal breakers for me...... MK8 Golf for me :)
MK 8 Golf does not have physical button either.
Nice review think the golf A3 a better car the sound was a bit muffed in the video
I can't see why you'd need sports suspension. My Leon ST SE mark 3 turns in keenly to bends, corners flat and is confidence inspiring on A/B roads. Planted is a good word. You never get kick back or bounced off course in bends. That actually means I can carry more speed through bends than the FR I had before. Unless you're on smooth race tracks I think they should offer stock suspension on FR trim which is firm but reasonably comfortable most of the time. My FR was only comfortable on motorways and smooth A roads. On B roads it was too jiggly. A key with cars with no independent suspension is to keep tyre pressures fairly low 31/29 psi front/rear is best. At 34/32 things get bouncy. Adaptive dampers would be best no doubt or the independent rear suspension set up. Shame the FR150 doesn't get it.
That's it exactly Paul. Only bit I don't necessarily agree with is adaptive dampers on a torsion beam car. My old Leon FR had this with 18" wheels and it was still a brittle ride as ultimately it only affects the dampers and a lot of harshness comes from the rest of the hardware. They need to go multilink on FR, simple as that.
@@volkswizard should go multilink at the same point they switch to sports suspension. Which is FR. I agree
Multilink on SE. Never mind FR. That would be seriously nice suspension for British roads. Don't need things any firmer than SE.
Is that colour "Mulberry"?....Reminds of the old MK3 VR6 colour....
Morning Andrew are you going to complete the vw group line up and review the newly released skoda Octavia, would only be fair to that brand.
Good question. I can't decide if it's Octavia or Scala though, what do you think?
@@volkswizard well personally I'm biased towards the Octavia it's closer to the golf whereas the scala seems based on the polo, which isn't a bad car to be based on. Why don't you review both.
@@volkswizard do both would be interesting have the kangaroo problem been fixed on the 1.5 tsi Evo engine do agree diesel don't make sense unless ur doing lots of long distance motorway driveing
The lack of multi link on an FR version is really poor that’s where the differences come in I suppose between the golf and price. It really should be standard, the lack of shortcuts for AC etc is crazy also!!
There used to be a 184 TDI FR Leon with multilink but this doesn't run to end of last model unfortunately.
I’m actually half liking the look of this overall, especially the rear lights and shape. The wheels are awful IMO, though I’m not sure how they compare to the earlier FR models as I’m used to seeing Cupras. Italic logo on the back looks cheap and I’d be taking a hammer to the cheesy puddle lights.
Forget the sweeping indicator and blind spot monitoring BS, I want multi-link rear suspension.
Me too! Unfortunately it seems the typical buyer (probably someone who doesn't watch these videos) is more impressed with the gimmicks
@@volkswizard Correct. Sweeping indicators sell cars, as shallow as that may be.
Just because they can, doesn’t mean they should. After the VW Groups scandals, you’d think they’d do a better job but I guess they’re not going to make the Leon as good or better than the golf!
I think the mate plastic mirrors look cheap.
I own an 18 at FR 2ltsi, but in this new model I much prefer the excellance spec.
Regarding mpg from new I've averaged 30mpg in the 2l tsi 200. 😢
Great review.. I think the previous Leon design was eye catching and maybe a little ahead of its time but don’t really see that with the latest model. Seems to lack excitement for me... Still a fan of SEAT though.
Yes the old one was a good looker especially in 3 door and Estate form, maybe this will be a grower but problem is unlike the original it's not a clean sheet design, it's a heavy reskin of the old car.
@@volkswizard I think for this Gen it’s got to be the A3 for me , although the new Leon has grown on me since I first saw it.
Lovely car and was going to buy it. But no physical button's for the heating has totally killed it for me. That infotainment system goes. The lot goes! Such a shame, nice car too
nice looking car shame on no extra options available i.e. sunroof heated seats
Good review, it's a great car, but the vw group dsg gearbox has a terrible reputation for reliability.
The lack of glossy black trim on the dashboard is refreshing compared to the Golf. I find the trend for migrating most key functions onto touchscreens worrying, surely this presents a real risk of drivers taking their eyes off the road for too long? Good in depth review as always 👍
Hi David, it's funny that Lane Assist has come in along with touchscreens as you could say this mitigates the risk of people fiddling with the screen and might explain why it can't be permanently turned off.
In years to come the early 2020s will be remembered as the time when manufacturers messed up in removing too many manual controls. They will return in the mid 2020s.
Now let's round out the quaternaty and see what the opinion is on the new octavia
I did ask Skoda for a car and they sort of said yes but I never got the follow up email. Must chase up
Do you think it's worth spending the extra £2k I have seen a id3 at aldi this week they must have to shop there to pay for the car lol
I think externally this is better than the Golf externally however I think the latest VAG have missed the mark on the interiors with far too many touchscreens and haptic buttons. In this segment the 1 series interiors is far, far better in my opinion retaining buttons and the idrive wheel.
I can’t believe touchscreens are getting pushed so hard given the illegality of using phones.
Love my golf's but this looks loads nicer than the golf 8 inside and out.
I still think the new Ford Focus looks the best
It's much better looking than Golf, but still had lots of things I hate that's also in the Golf.
I think you might want to consider a new microphone.
I’ve had this car for about a month now, and I love it. Only thing: I can’t get the ambient lights to work. It’s a phev fr trim. I cannot find anything in the infotainment or anywhere else to activate the ambient lights. Not sure if anyone else has had this issue? I feel like I’m not getting the full experience.
Are the ambients light on at all or do you just want to change colour? Would be odd if they are not on by default.
@@volkswizard They are not on at all. I cannot find any control in the infotainment for ambient lights. I called Seat and they said it should be there, but couldn't help me beyond that; they referred me to the manual, which wasn't helpful! I thought ambient lights came with every model as standard, certainly every fr trim. It's a really nice car, I love it. Just don't know what's up with the missing ambient lights!
I've driven all of the VAG cars and I would always choose a Seat over a VW. Seats always feel more sporty and way quicker imo
Time to cancel? YES
Next test is SKODA . Cheers 🇿🇦
Hey Prakash, you read my mind but is it Skoda Scala or Octavia?
@@volkswizard your pick . We don’t get SKODA or Seat in S Africa so not familiar with the models
volkswizard I had feeling that new octavia is more stylish and premium, can you review it as a compare to Golf 8 even though they are two different categories.
Thanks for the well considered content. Having had the previous generation Leon ST FR 2.0 TDI 150 6 Speed finished in Technic Grey with Panoramic Roof riding on the standard 17" Alloy in the family which was fantastic I consider this model an enormous step backwards in every regard. Very disappointing. Seek out a well cared for older model, save some cash, and drive a better car. Looking forward to the Volkswizard completing the set by studying the new Skoda Octavia.
Compare it to a mk7.5 Golf?
It’s miles better than a 7.5 golf but not quite as good as a mark 8 golf
I hate the absence of physical tactile buttons and knobs which you can operate without looking at your own hand. Switching on/off exterior and interior lighting, changing the climate settings, etc. by touchscreen or touchpad is unergonomic and put there no doubt to save cost in the pretence that it's a modern advance.
So basically every new VAG car looks better than the golf 8! Good job VW 😂
I like the styling and the interior - the silver on the doors is very Mercedes A-class......but the torsion beam thing is naughty penny pinching- they’re all at it; Mercedes do that too!
Knew you’d come round to the knobs and buttons for climate control mindset eventually 😜
Dash designs in Seat cars has always been very distinctive in a bad way, new dash looks similar to the A3 Lambo design to my eyes, a great improvement. Exterior a bit bland but again an improvement over previous generations. Shame about the cheapo rear suspension. I'd just buy a pre reg Golf or A3 instead for the same or less money.
Thanks for commenting Paul, pre-reg deals on Seat are usually even better than A3 and Golf
Looks too much like a Mazda for me, mk8 is growing on me 👍
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