I'll only believe the book is ready when an ASOIAF tuber makes a video holding a copy of it. I don't care that a cover is shown or that it's announced. It will only be real the moment someone is holding a hard copy.
@za1du and then you wake up it was a coma induced dream we are in 2065 very very old george rr martin tell us he is 90 percent done , and still writting from the icu
@scaw29 I don't know what you mean. I like Young Griff because he is supported by the greatest band of chivalrous exiles The Golden Company, and definitely no other reason.
@menochivo9507 I have never heard of any such theory😉 However if there was a possibility that a certain someone was related to a certain Glorious Warrior King, it would only make the story better.
The wait for ‘The Winds of Winter’ has been so long that brilliant theorists have spent years speculating about its plot to an extent I’ve found equally gratifying. At this point, I almost don’t care what Martin writes because I already have a crystallized version of the story in my head. While I know I’ll enjoy his prose, I can’t help but feel a bit of disappointment, knowing my expectations might not pan out.
I've heard so many theories and variant plotlines based on what we know, all of which are pretty valid despite being so different. That's a skill in itself from a writers standpoint.
I wonder if DoS will be easier to write than WoW considering it will be the final book, in the sense that everything that has been build in WoW will have to converge. just my cope
It‘s insane how crazy we are about more ASOIAF content. George just has to write one sentence on his blog and all people lose their shit. That`s what he has been doing for the past 13 years lol
I'm not even mad or worried about the future of ASOIAF. As any cultural phenomenon it is by essence unique and has no point of reference. I'm amazed by the phenomenon itself, first by the success and creative crash of the TV series, and then by the absolute madness of the community. In the past two years many new YT channels exploded and there has never been more conversation, speculation and creation around this universe. It has almost become an hive creation. Even if Martin died tomorrow, without finishing its novels, it would still remain a monumental work and would stay in memories for a long time. Tolkien didn't publish nor completed everything he wanted to and we are nonetheless talking about it.
To be fair, comparing George and Tolien and unfinished work would be fair if George only didnt finish Dunk & Egg and had only rough sketches for Fire & Blodd. Tolkiens main story was complete in LOTR and The Hobbit
Yeah, I’ve spent so many more hours enjoying the community, discussions and theories around the books and shows than experiencing the actual material. The culture around it has become huge, slightly insane and absolutely delightful
@@8asw8 Yeah yeah, you're right about that. Obviously Tolkien's legendarium is way more extensive and what he left behind was shaped and published by his son. I don't know if the same could happen to Martin's work.
@@willbeard4835 Seeing as he's planning to write another Dunk and Egg, and a Fire and Blood vol. 2 after he finishes Winds, I think it will be a miracle if we ever get a conclusion to the series. It seems he's writing source material for his TV shows.
@@lembas. I agree with you. I love the shows but george really should finish the main series to solidify his legacy. I prefer George to Tolkien but if he doesn't finish his series then none of it matters
You should also mention that when HotD season 1 was premiering George RR Martin said if he ever made a cameo in the show then he was done with Winds of Winter. The other circumstantial things you noticed from this year as well as the new season coming makes me more optimistic that we really could see him announce the book is finished at that World Con you mentioned, since it will be after HotD 2 has concluded.
My personal theory is that GRRM experienced creative gridlock caused by the pressure of finishing the books before the show. The direction he originally intended to take the story doesn't work (at least for him) but because he wanted to finish it he tried to push the story out regardless, which inevitably leads to writers block. Somewhere around the pandemic he realised this and he started to completely rework the story of wow and dos. Also I've thought for a long time that 2025 would be the year. From a publisher's point of view I would say an winter release before the holidays but maybe they'll feel obligated to get the book in the hands of readers as soon as possible
My theory is that he got popular enough to do whatever he wants and he no longer needs to engage with his magnum opus, which was clearly lightning in a bottle because there was steep drop off with Feast and Dance. After playing Elden Ring, I just think GRRM is more passionate about the broadstrokes of history than anything else. He wants to set the stage, not write the drama. Which is fine, The Lands Between is better than Westeros and one of the best fantasy worlds ever created, along with Middle Earth, Malazan, Randland. I specify Westeros because Essos and Sothoros is where all the really cool stuff is in his books. He just doesnt take us there.
For whatever reason i have this gut feeling that winter 2025/Q1 2026 will be the season of things that are a long time coming, and that GTAVI and Winds are linked in a weird barbenheimer sort of way. GTA will get delayed by a month or two, and winds will be done sometime in 2025 and will release appropriately in winter. Idk why i associate the two so hard, but i feel like these long waits will both come to an end around the same time
Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six. - Revelation 13:18
GTA, Elder Scrolls, and ASOIAF are all united in having to wait over a decade for the sixth installment of the franchise that may or may not ever be coming
I think George is lying about the gardening thing, he planned nearly all of the major plots in ACOK and ASOS while he was still writing AGOT. He also planned the major beats of ADWD and the first half of TWOW while he was writing AFFC. I think he is struggling with TWOW mainly because he doesn’t know how to end the series in a satisfying way.
I think you make a good point, but it’s probably more how he knows how he wants the overall plot to go in general, but has no idea what to do with the 500+ relatively important side characters that make his novels so interesting
I was such a summer child back in 2015, I had discovered GOT after brushing it off thinking it was some stuffy period drama for the first 3 seasons, until I happened upon a scene of one episode late at night and immediately binged the first 3 seasons. In the period between 3 and 4 I bought th books and devoured them. I thought by the time I finished the show and books Winds would surely only be, at the most, a year away, 😂. Here I am almost a decade later still fantasizing about going to buy TWOW.
I’ve thought he’s been “close” for a while now. The moment he said he was done with Tyrion’s chapters it felt like he had to be further than 75% done. I actually wouldn’t be surprised if he’s been done for a while and getting a head start on dream to give himself a buffer while working with his editors to refine some things
i think the headstart is too optimistic but GRRM strikes me like the person that gets a massive boost when the end is in seeing distance and i feel like the last few chapters of the book will take a lot less time.
Yes. Winds of Winter will be released in 2025. In addition to Winds of Winter we will get information that he is almost finished with Dream of Spring. George worked on those books for 14 years so they need to be near done now
I have a specific take on Martin finishing the series that is also related to his NotABlog. Martin famously got very angry with fans who wanted to know what would happen to the series if he died before it was finished. As a result of this, it is commonly believed that Martin would not allow anyone else to finish the series for him if he did die before it was completed. And because of the length of time that it is taking him to complete Winds, many people feel that there is no hope that we will ever get A Dream of Spring. I think this is wrong. I think that he felt that it was completely inappropriate for people to ask him about his death. But he said some interesting things about a fellow author and friend who had passed away in one of his blog posts. If you go back through his posts over the past couple of years, there has been more than one time that he has made a post about the death of a fellow author. In one of these, he talked about an incomplete book that this author had been working on for many, many years. And he remarked that it was his hope that someone would eventually finish that book. By saying this he was admitting that having someone complete the work of an author after their death was not something that he was opposed to. It is also well-known that George has written copious notes about the world of ASOIAF. And he has a close team of assistants who work with him, some of whom are authors. I would be very surprised if George did not have a plan for someone he personally approves of who would be designated with seeing ASOIAF finished if he could not complete it. Perhaps he would even think that Ryan Condall would be appropriate for that role. I sincerely hope that Martin is able to see the series finished himself. And I do think that it is very likely that we will be getting Winds sometime in the fairly near future. Hopefully in 2025. But Martin has seen others series completed after the author’s death, with some done more successfully than others. He knows that ASOIAF is his Opus Magnum. I don’t think he would want to see it remain forever incomplete.
Yeah I'm always surprised to see people take that one remark as gospel. I also don't take him as the kind of person who would want his papers to be burned, which would be the only way of preventing a publisher at one point in the future breaking the bank by putting out every piece of unpublished writing they can find. And knowing that'll happen is reason enough for him to make some arrangements
I believe he realised that he will not be able to writte the last book properly. Realisticly it would be best and i think in his interest to find a good writter he clicks with (his assistants are god awefull writters) create and outline and have the co-writter writte the book and GRRM gets the chapters to add florishes etc. With a proper co-writter dreams could be out in like 2 or 3 years when they work together and while doing this during his lifetime having the editorial role he has his free time, joy of writting (in small doses) and the chapters could very likely feel a lot like GRRM. Thats was likely what the cryptic post is meaning and why he met with the publisher. Confirm Winds are coming out this chrismas + finalising the co-writting deal.
I honestly thought this was a new blog post. I got excited. Damn this old man. We've been waiting for too long and i fear whatever he's writing will not meet the expectations that we have.
Probably talk about the dunk and egg fanfic series HBO is publishing So which is more likely? They make Baelor Breakspear a typical valerian or Rohanne Webber black?
Personally, I think the time has come to stop asking ourselves: "when or if will The Winds of Winter be released?". Perhaps the time has come to ask ourselves: "Will it live up to expectations? Will it be a good book?". I doubt it just as I doubt that the old man still has the desire or ideas to continue Asoiaf.
There is exactly 0 chance it releases in a state that satisfies even a fraction of his audience, which is a massive part of why it has been so long forthcoming. The hype surrounding it is intense. The fervor of fans who felt slighted by the TV show ending is at a fever pitch. George is currently in a deep lose-lose scenario. Either he releases the book and people are dissatisfied or he doesn't and people are dissatisfied. I think that he has grown so fond of Killing things he created to torture his audience that he's making the ultimate choice to kill his entire series.
That's what I think for years ago. Nothing he can deliver will satisfy the hardcore people obsessed with creating theories upon theories to the point of having their own headcanon and insert their own fanfics into the work. The best thing that can happen to ASOIAF is that it remains incomplete. I've seen enough cases of other books and manga where the ending definitely messed up the work and over time most people lost interest, while those who remain incomplete still maintain a strong interest. I doubt George can deliver anything good enough. Many ASOIAF fans have never read his other books, out of curiosity go to Goodreads and see their ratings, they are very low, I've read almost everything written by him and I maintain my opinion that he is overrated. Maybe in a few years the new theory that will emerge is that he never even wrote ASOIAF, but a ghost-writer who has already died. Now that would be hilarious.
It certainly seems likely GRRM announces Winds at Worldcon. It would be a great place to do it considering his last promise for that event. That would likely mean we see Wind this year too.
From a marketing standpoint it would be huge to announce it or announce an anncouncement post credit on the last episode of HotD. Maximum hype. Then on Worldcon book in hand he can announce it himself. Can someone check worldcon if his publisher has rented out a massive stage?
I get that the gardening style is what makes ASOIAF so special and part of why it’s so good but man, sometimes I wish he’d put the trowel down and start designing a house because it’s just plain taking too long, 12-13 years is hilariously bad, like I’d rather it’s good than it’s rushed but at this point it’s actually ridiculous and I don’t think we can call 12 years “rushed”. I hate to be negative about Winds but goddamn, at this point I’ve just started deciding what theories I like most and made my own ending to the story.
I’ve gotten into a few arguments with friends about when the Winds of Winter will be released, in addition to the future books. A lot of my friends believe GRRM will be gone before he even finishes them. I however truly believe he’s cooking one of the best stories of all time. I believe he’s struggling to create conclusions and keep track of characters without ruining some other factor, but I believe once he figures it out it’ll blow our minds. Once Winds is out, Dream will probably follow soon after
a few days ago martin posted about the hbo adaptation of dunk & egg on his blog. he confirmed that the 6 episodes first season will be the hedge knight and said that, if the show does well they will continue with the other two novellas in the next years. then, he said that by that time he expects to have finished some more dunk & egg stories, which hints that he already has the material for them.
My secret hope is he was almost done with TWOW before the pandemic and decided he’ll finish ADOS while he’s stuck home and the last four years he’s been writing that. When he announces TWOW will be coming out, he also announces some time later (3-6 months) that ADOS will drop as a way to reward fans for their patience. Will it really happen? I give it a 10% chance.
This blog post did have a lot of good crumbs of information concerning Winds. However, my main takeaway from this particular blog post was perhaps he was planting a seed in his fan base that the books and the show will be nothing like each other. (Most fans would rejoice at this) He seems to think he owes something to HBO, or the show crew, or fans of the show, to keep the books similar to the show. Idk why he would think that but it's just the feeling I get when reading or listening to his words.
I stick to the assertion that we will one day see winds, because if he is 3/4 of the way through, there is no way the publishers don't release that if he died. It's Dream I'm worried about.
I’ve been wrong many times before but I really think we get Winds in the next 2 years. At the very least a big announcement in 2025. He can’t have more than 400 pages to go and I’d hope once its down to 200 or less he’ll motivated to speed up that final push and be done
I think that the only way we see ADOS is if George allows 3 or 4 writers who he respects to help him, after telling them the details and walking them through all the plot points. We would then have ADOS by 2030. Since he doesn't want anyone to touch "his baby" - as he once said when asked if he would allow someone to finish his book after he died - it looks like ADOS will remain a dream. But who knows, maybe he shocks us all, lives to see 90, and we get ADOS in 2038.
i always liked the theory that he has completed all of the Chapters for Winds and dream apart from the bran chapters and just cannot be bothered to do those ones
I'm legit curious how some of these big GoT channels can post video ideas when multiple of them say they haven't even read the books recently lol. Like sure, you're knowledgeable and probably retain a lot of info. But it just makes me question how good their memory and intel is. Looking up a word or phrase on that site that can pull from all the books won't always give you additional info/context. Just interesting. I haven't seen it happen here, but I have seen Preston have an issue where that came up and he blamed his ignorance on not having read the series recently like that was an acceptable excuse for saying nonsense. It made me wonder why he was even talking about whatever the topic it was as if he had some deep insight to it (I have no idea what livestream it was, I rarely watch him, it just happened to be the one I popped in on and subsequently left after that happened and was at least several months ago)
As a fellow novelist let enlighten you (and your fans) a little about George's plight. He is a self described "Gardener" type of novelist. I would call him a "Pantster", he would call me an "Architect" instead of a "Plotter", but I digress. Either way he will NEED to step away for every other creative project, "House of Dragon" and "Duck & Egg" as examples. A "Gardener" type is, by nature, slow to re-immerse themselves in a sidelined narrative. So until he decides to re-commit himself 100% to ASOIAF, he will never finish "Winds.." Adding to this is the "Bran is King" note. As a "Gardener" he lets the story "grow" naturally, however he now must force the narrative to a predetermined end. Something that "Gardener"s never(?) do.
Back in summer 2022 when he said he was 75% done i got my hopes up foolishly and said itd cone out around Christmas 2023 💀 Considering we are 6 months past even that now, ive just given up
There is exactly 0 chance Winds releases in a state that satisfies even a fraction of his audience, which is a massive part of why it has been so long forthcoming. The hype surrounding it is intense. The fervor of fans who felt slighted by the TV show ending is at a fever pitch. George is currently in a deep lose-lose scenario. Either he releases the book and people are dissatisfied or he doesn't and people are dissatisfied. I think that he has grown so fond of Killing things he created to torture his audience that he's making the ultimate choice to kill his entire series.
I'm a fool but, I believe we will get all or nothing. I actually believe due to his writing style and the complexity of the story he has had to write and edit and rewrite the entire rest of the story so that he has enough to go back edit to make it all work. I can't picture it being feasible to do what need be done any other way.
Im pretty confident that he is almost finishing it. But i dont really care if he takes 10 more years as long as he come with good payoffs for what he have builded up in feast and dance. Only way to really be dissapointed with this book is if its only more build up for dream of spring and dont have at least a couple of reveals on some of the mysteries of the series. Im really looking forward to the magic be expanded and be less in the backgound and get more in the forefront of the story, the others storyline have to start impacting westeros for real is the least i expect from a book called the winds of winter, winter has to come and i hope it has more consequences then theons death and takes more than one night to solve it, other than that dont think it can be as bad as what the show did, im excited to see what martin have imagined for all this years to finally get to the climax.
He should just let AI finish it at this point. Literally every year since however long it's been after the last book ASOIAF came out fan channels are like "Here it is, WOW is finally coming!!" Meanwhile GRRM has found time to do anything else but finish his main series... Fire & Blood, working on HOTD and a bunch of spinoffs, God knows what else. I would have taken ONE REALLY GOOD GAME OF THRONES SERIES from start to finish, based on actual finished book material, over every consolation spinoff show and consolation book combined. TBH I wish he had just finished Winds and Dream instead of writing Fire & Blood. He's never gonna finish this series, people. Look at the mans' physical condition-- does that look like a healthy man to you, one that's gonna live that much longer? Listen to all the vague excuse-making in his interviews-- does that sound like a guy that has any intention at all of finishing ASOIAF to you? NO. Neither thing. So we can enjoy our fan theories all we want, but we're never getting the books. At least I held off on investing all the time in reading the series to date. I saved myself the aggravation of not getting a proper ending twice instead of just suffering the destruction of the show.
I think you have it right. Lots of doomers think he's just being lazy and not working on the book, but based on what he has said it sounds like it really is just a difficult part of the story to write because he has to find a way to start wrapping things up in two books with so much still needing resolution. I think it has been close to finished a few times, but he keeps hitting snags and has to go back and rewrite a lot. I think Winds will come by the end of 2025.
What's funny is that GRRM mentioned being imprisoned a real volcano site, White Island, in New Zealand. It erupted later that year (tragically, killed some people). Feels like a joke by the universe.
Honestly at this point I think the only reason he's occasionally going to cons (That thing you called a podcast in October 2023 was a con in Portugal called Festival Bang, not a podcast) is because he didn't expect TWOW to take this long. And if he really refused all cons and events from 2014 onward then he'd miss out on ever interacting with any fans during the height of his fame. It made sense when he thought he was almost done, doesn't so much make sense 10 years later. That said I think he's almost done, since with the last two books he took a year to a year and a half to finish the last 1/4th. If he went at ADWD pace from the 1100-1200 point, he'd have finished around 550-600 more pages by now. With ADWD and AFFC he wrote way faster at the end. Course he's older now and probably writes slower and also he's clearly struggled with this book like he hasn't with the others and it also has more plotlines and it also is *the end*. So if it's not a good ending folks will say like they said with the end of the show and be like "Oh it was never leading to anything, it didn't really have anything deep going on under the hood, the characters decisions and feelings ultimately didn't matter because in the end it was nonsense". I think he really wants to avoid that, still maintaining all these hundreds of complex characters, and that's why it's taking so long.
How are his other books I've never read any of his other books I was wondering if someone could tell me how good his other books are and which ones are best to get a hold of and read
I’ve read through the first 100 pages of Windhaven and it was just okay. You can definitely recognize it as being Martin’s work , with similar themes to ASOIAF but it’s nowhere near as good. I’ve heard good things about the Dying of the Light though
I've read his other books, especially the sci-fi ones. They are extremely flawed and lack creativity with the exception of one. See for yourself on Goodreads, without ASOIAF he would be an obscure and forgotten author.
The best thing that could happen to ASOAIF is to remain incomplete. The obsessed fanboys with their thousand crazy theories and FanFictions will continue to feed on it for decades like a termite and some are more creative than anything George can deliver. With an end, these people will have to finally look for other things to fill their lives and the cultural legacy of ASOIAF will die a more natural death until eventually reaching a point similar to WoT or Elric.
Before watching: I have given up any semblance of hope that I will ever get a true ending to the series, written by Martin. He can be offended at it as much as he wants but I am positive he will kick the bucket before that happens unless he becomes a cyborg and lives another century. I am a little optimistic when it comes to Winds though. That we will get it eventually. So realistically I want two things from George: 1. Winds of Winter, completed, one or two Volumes, I dont care 2. Background Info on what happened in the writing process, especially concerning the infamous New Years Post from 2016. 8 damned years ago! Martin was, by his own admission, confident to finish the book by the Halloween of 2015 and when that didnt happen, by the end of the year,..... 8 years ago! There has been a lot of speculation and some may be spot on (Rewriting etc) but I really want to know from author himself what took him so god damn long. And dont give me the George is not your bitch lecture. We arent his bitches either that owe him unconditional love and understanding and it isnt right of him to leave us in the purgatory of ignorance by not giving any really concrete updates or insights on why it takes so long to write a book in a series that he delusionally wants to expand (Dream, Dunk & Egg Stories etc). George´s update policy of leaving his readers in the dark, while flipping them the bird and acting offended any time someone snaps back is the main reason why he gets so much shit when he does his cryptic updates, that arent really updates.
I think more likely than not Winds will release but not Dream. I cannot imagine two books being enough to wrap up the story but even then poor George is just kinda old and might pass before the final book
Most interesting to me is characters who died on TV but won’t die in the books. Who died on tv who shouldn’t die? The Hound? OUR BOY Jamie? My money is on both
It'll never come out because he'd have to actually be writing it instead of gaslighting everyone to maintain his popularity and prestige with fans and executives.
George isn't growing a garden he's growing a tropical rainforest
A half done one. One side is just a desert.
@@ranfan1820 I believe that part is called Dorne...
More like a boreal evergreen forest lol (trees that take a particularly long time to grow, as opposed to faster growing tropical plants)
@@JacquesduPlessis11 good comeback 👍
He is gardening in a labrynth
I'll only believe the book is ready when an ASOIAF tuber makes a video holding a copy of it. I don't care that a cover is shown or that it's announced. It will only be real the moment someone is holding a hard copy.
I will believe it when I have it in my hands
Otherwise could be a worldwide prank on me
@@louyou6614 I will never believe it, even when I've read it 20 times over
@za1du and then you wake up
it was a coma induced dream
we are in 2065 very very old george rr martin tell us he is 90 percent done , and still writting from the icu
Photoshop exists
😂
Can't wait for all the Young Griff stuff that sprouts from the winter garden.
Of course the guy with a Bittersteel pfp is interested in the 6th Blackfyre Rebellion.
@scaw29 I don't know what you mean. I like Young Griff because he is supported by the greatest band of chivalrous exiles The Golden Company, and definitely no other reason.
@@aegorbittersteel2154 Bro is a member of Aegon Blackfyre's propaganda department.
Have you heard of the "Feagon" theory? If this is true, then this narrative in the books becomes less interesting IMO
@menochivo9507 I have never heard of any such theory😉 However if there was a possibility that a certain someone was related to a certain Glorious Warrior King, it would only make the story better.
That title misled me. I got so optimistic and excited 😢
What a sweet summer child i am
2011's sweet summer children are now men full grown
"Rickon Stark, I imagine, will have a bigger role than not zigzagging" BRO LMAO
That was when I stopped watching the show
The wait for ‘The Winds of Winter’ has been so long that brilliant theorists have spent years speculating about its plot to an extent I’ve found equally gratifying. At this point, I almost don’t care what Martin writes because I already have a crystallized version of the story in my head. While I know I’ll enjoy his prose, I can’t help but feel a bit of disappointment, knowing my expectations might not pan out.
I've heard so many theories and variant plotlines based on what we know, all of which are pretty valid despite being so different. That's a skill in itself from a writers standpoint.
Isn't there also a collective made fanfic by this point?
@@jf_kein_k8590 yes but for many people fanfic feels cheap and unauthentic, in the end everyone would prefer the vision of the real author
@@jf_kein_k8590yeah Preston Jacob’s is doing a fanfic project
Yikes
I think we are very likely to get Winds at some point in the next couple of years. I think the odds of getting Dream before GRRM dies are near zero.
Both things have been said for over a decade... come up with something original lol
Yeah but this time its for real
I wonder if DoS will be easier to write than WoW considering it will be the final book, in the sense that everything that has been build in WoW will have to converge. just my cope
A work of art is always abandoned, never completed, George should know that its not gonna be perfect.
he’s not refining it yet, though, he’s still writing the damn manuscript. it still needs to be edited into the final version after.
It‘s insane how crazy we are about more ASOIAF content. George just has to write one sentence on his blog and all people lose their shit. That`s what he has been doing for the past 13 years lol
We are so hungry and feral and he has us on a leash lol
The Camera that rides will prevail.
I'm not even mad or worried about the future of ASOIAF. As any cultural phenomenon it is by essence unique and has no point of reference. I'm amazed by the phenomenon itself, first by the success and creative crash of the TV series, and then by the absolute madness of the community. In the past two years many new YT channels exploded and there has never been more conversation, speculation and creation around this universe. It has almost become an hive creation. Even if Martin died tomorrow, without finishing its novels, it would still remain a monumental work and would stay in memories for a long time. Tolkien didn't publish nor completed everything he wanted to and we are nonetheless talking about it.
To be fair, comparing George and Tolien and unfinished work would be fair if George only didnt finish Dunk & Egg and had only rough sketches for Fire & Blodd. Tolkiens main story was complete in LOTR and The Hobbit
Yeah, I’ve spent so many more hours enjoying the community, discussions and theories around the books and shows than experiencing the actual material. The culture around it has become huge, slightly insane and absolutely delightful
@@8asw8 Yeah yeah, you're right about that. Obviously Tolkien's legendarium is way more extensive and what he left behind was shaped and published by his son. I don't know if the same could happen to Martin's work.
@@FlorentPlacideMartin has stated that he’d want his notes burned if he were to die before ASOIAF’s completion :(
Damn, I was hoping for some info on HBO's spinoff series about Darkstar.
That’ll be the post-credit scene after Blood and Cheese
For he is of the night
GTA 6, The Winds of Winter, if we get both next year that would be the greatest year ever
The book will release within 10 years, or near enough that makes no matter.
And dream? Lol I have come to terms with the fact that the story will not be finished
@@willbeard4835 Seeing as he's planning to write another Dunk and Egg, and a Fire and Blood vol. 2 after he finishes Winds, I think it will be a miracle if we ever get a conclusion to the series.
It seems he's writing source material for his TV shows.
@@lembas. I agree with you. I love the shows but george really should finish the main series to solidify his legacy. I prefer George to Tolkien but if he doesn't finish his series then none of it matters
You should also mention that when HotD season 1 was premiering George RR Martin said if he ever made a cameo in the show then he was done with Winds of Winter. The other circumstantial things you noticed from this year as well as the new season coming makes me more optimistic that we really could see him announce the book is finished at that World Con you mentioned, since it will be after HotD 2 has concluded.
Put another dollar in the “‘Damp hair’ not ‘damn fair’” jar, Quinn!
Dammit
My personal theory is that GRRM experienced creative gridlock caused by the pressure of finishing the books before the show. The direction he originally intended to take the story doesn't work (at least for him) but because he wanted to finish it he tried to push the story out regardless, which inevitably leads to writers block. Somewhere around the pandemic he realised this and he started to completely rework the story of wow and dos. Also I've thought for a long time that 2025 would be the year. From a publisher's point of view I would say an winter release before the holidays but maybe they'll feel obligated to get the book in the hands of readers as soon as possible
My theory is that he got popular enough to do whatever he wants and he no longer needs to engage with his magnum opus, which was clearly lightning in a bottle because there was steep drop off with Feast and Dance.
After playing Elden Ring, I just think GRRM is more passionate about the broadstrokes of history than anything else.
He wants to set the stage, not write the drama. Which is fine, The Lands Between is better than Westeros and one of the best fantasy worlds ever created, along with Middle Earth, Malazan, Randland.
I specify Westeros because Essos and Sothoros is where all the really cool stuff is in his books. He just doesnt take us there.
Publishers have 0 incentive to sacrifice those holiday dollars to make us happy, they'll push it to the holidays every time
@@tglake2894 correct, in this scenario I was thinking about GRRM pushing for an earlier release.
@GRB-tj6uj by now I think we all should know he feels absolutely no obligation to his fans lol
@@GRB-tj6ujGRRM pushing for an earlier release? I see no reality where he does that
For whatever reason i have this gut feeling that winter 2025/Q1 2026 will be the season of things that are a long time coming, and that GTAVI and Winds are linked in a weird barbenheimer sort of way. GTA will get delayed by a month or two, and winds will be done sometime in 2025 and will release appropriately in winter. Idk why i associate the two so hard, but i feel like these long waits will both come to an end around the same time
Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.
- Revelation 13:18
@@HebrewsElevenTwentyFive all we gotta do is figure out what the 3rd series' 6th installment is 😅
I’m the same but with Elder Scrolls 6. ADWD and Skyrim were both released in 2011 and we’ve been waiting for the next installment of each since then.
@@bendricdayne2850There's no way es6 is coming by 2026 though unfortunately. But yeah as a fan of both series the wait is excruciating
GTA, Elder Scrolls, and ASOIAF are all united in having to wait over a decade for the sixth installment of the franchise that may or may not ever be coming
I think George is lying about the gardening thing, he planned nearly all of the major plots in ACOK and ASOS while he was still writing AGOT. He also planned the major beats of ADWD and the first half of TWOW while he was writing AFFC. I think he is struggling with TWOW mainly because he doesn’t know how to end the series in a satisfying way.
I think you make a good point, but it’s probably more how he knows how he wants the overall plot to go in general, but has no idea what to do with the 500+ relatively important side characters that make his novels so interesting
I was such a summer child back in 2015, I had discovered GOT after brushing it off thinking it was some stuffy period drama for the first 3 seasons, until I happened upon a scene of one episode late at night and immediately binged the first 3 seasons. In the period between 3 and 4 I bought th books and devoured them. I thought by the time I finished the show and books Winds would surely only be, at the most, a year away, 😂. Here I am almost a decade later still fantasizing about going to buy TWOW.
I’ve thought he’s been “close” for a while now. The moment he said he was done with Tyrion’s chapters it felt like he had to be further than 75% done. I actually wouldn’t be surprised if he’s been done for a while and getting a head start on dream to give himself a buffer while working with his editors to refine some things
i think the headstart is too optimistic but GRRM strikes me like the person that gets a massive boost when the end is in seeing distance and i feel like the last few chapters of the book will take a lot less time.
Winds is about done. He will announce so at world con. It’s time. Right? Riiiight?
Yes. Winds of Winter will be released in 2025. In addition to Winds of Winter we will get information that he is almost finished with Dream of Spring. George worked on those books for 14 years so they need to be near done now
Ummmm no probably not
Copium
Nope
I admire your optimism
Holy cope 😢
I have a specific take on Martin finishing the series that is also related to his NotABlog. Martin famously got very angry with fans who wanted to know what would happen to the series if he died before it was finished. As a result of this, it is commonly believed that Martin would not allow anyone else to finish the series for him if he did die before it was completed. And because of the length of time that it is taking him to complete Winds, many people feel that there is no hope that we will ever get A Dream of Spring. I think this is wrong. I think that he felt that it was completely inappropriate for people to ask him about his death. But he said some interesting things about a fellow author and friend who had passed away in one of his blog posts. If you go back through his posts over the past couple of years, there has been more than one time that he has made a post about the death of a fellow author. In one of these, he talked about an incomplete book that this author had been working on for many, many years. And he remarked that it was his hope that someone would eventually finish that book. By saying this he was admitting that having someone complete the work of an author after their death was not something that he was opposed to. It is also well-known that George has written copious notes about the world of ASOIAF. And he has a close team of assistants who work with him, some of whom are authors. I would be very surprised if George did not have a plan for someone he personally approves of who would be designated with seeing ASOIAF finished if he could not complete it. Perhaps he would even think that Ryan Condall would be appropriate for that role. I sincerely hope that Martin is able to see the series finished himself. And I do think that it is very likely that we will be getting Winds sometime in the fairly near future. Hopefully in 2025. But Martin has seen others series completed after the author’s death, with some done more successfully than others. He knows that ASOIAF is his Opus Magnum. I don’t think he would want to see it remain forever incomplete.
Yeah I'm always surprised to see people take that one remark as gospel. I also don't take him as the kind of person who would want his papers to be burned, which would be the only way of preventing a publisher at one point in the future breaking the bank by putting out every piece of unpublished writing they can find. And knowing that'll happen is reason enough for him to make some arrangements
I believe he realised that he will not be able to writte the last book properly. Realisticly it would be best and i think in his interest to find a good writter he clicks with (his assistants are god awefull writters) create and outline and have the co-writter writte the book and GRRM gets the chapters to add florishes etc. With a proper co-writter dreams could be out in like 2 or 3 years when they work together and while doing this during his lifetime having the editorial role he has his free time, joy of writting (in small doses) and the chapters could very likely feel a lot like GRRM.
Thats was likely what the cryptic post is meaning and why he met with the publisher. Confirm Winds are coming out this chrismas + finalising the co-writting deal.
Was thinking of going to Worldcon.. you've made me much more hyped for it! Damn, if I decide not to go and he reads a sample chapter I'll die :/
I honestly thought this was a new blog post. I got excited. Damn this old man. We've been waiting for too long and i fear whatever he's writing will not meet the expectations that we have.
I’ll believe it when I see Glidus eating it
I plan on going to the Glasgow Worldcon. We shall see what he does.
Have fun! I'm jealous.
If he wants to fit in with the locals, probably a bit of knife crime.
Probably talk about the dunk and egg fanfic series HBO is publishing
So which is more likely?
They make Baelor Breakspear a typical valerian or Rohanne Webber black?
@davidlewis5312 what? Baylor is half Martell and is described to have black hair.
Guys it came out last week
Thanks for keeping us posted
Personally, I think the time has come to stop asking ourselves: "when or if will The Winds of Winter be released?".
Perhaps the time has come to ask ourselves: "Will it live up to expectations? Will it be a good book?".
I doubt it just as I doubt that the old man still has the desire or ideas to continue Asoiaf.
There is exactly 0 chance it releases in a state that satisfies even a fraction of his audience, which is a massive part of why it has been so long forthcoming.
The hype surrounding it is intense. The fervor of fans who felt slighted by the TV show ending is at a fever pitch.
George is currently in a deep lose-lose scenario. Either he releases the book and people are dissatisfied or he doesn't and people are dissatisfied.
I think that he has grown so fond of Killing things he created to torture his audience that he's making the ultimate choice to kill his entire series.
That's what I think for years ago. Nothing he can deliver will satisfy the hardcore people obsessed with creating theories upon theories to the point of having their own headcanon and insert their own fanfics into the work.
The best thing that can happen to ASOIAF is that it remains incomplete. I've seen enough cases of other books and manga where the ending definitely messed up the work and over time most people lost interest, while those who remain incomplete still maintain a strong interest.
I doubt George can deliver anything good enough.
Many ASOIAF fans have never read his other books, out of curiosity go to Goodreads and see their ratings, they are very low, I've read almost everything written by him and I maintain my opinion that he is overrated.
Maybe in a few years the new theory that will emerge is that he never even wrote ASOIAF, but a ghost-writer who has already died. Now that would be hilarious.
My brother in the seven entire forests have been felled for lumber and regrown in the time it has taken for this garden to grow.
It certainly seems likely GRRM announces Winds at Worldcon. It would be a great place to do it considering his last promise for that event. That would likely mean we see Wind this year too.
From a marketing standpoint it would be huge to announce it or announce an anncouncement post credit on the last episode of HotD. Maximum hype. Then on Worldcon book in hand he can announce it himself.
Can someone check worldcon if his publisher has rented out a massive stage?
GRRM going to WorldCon has given me hope
Preach the Gospel or GRRM To us Brother!
Ugh. Jesus help us.
Words are wind my Lord, words are wind.
I've seen at least one winter but I'm still a sweet summer child who has hope. 😅
I will only believe Winds is out when I see Glidus eating it, and not before.
let’s gooo quinn the m effing GM !!! :)
I get that the gardening style is what makes ASOIAF so special and part of why it’s so good but man, sometimes I wish he’d put the trowel down and start designing a house because it’s just plain taking too long, 12-13 years is hilariously bad, like I’d rather it’s good than it’s rushed but at this point it’s actually ridiculous and I don’t think we can call 12 years “rushed”.
I hate to be negative about Winds but goddamn, at this point I’ve just started deciding what theories I like most and made my own ending to the story.
The book will be out tomorrow. I say this every day, guaranteed results!
Wait. You're telling me GoT Euron is not an exact replica of ASoIaF Euron? But they're so similar!
I’ve gotten into a few arguments with friends about when the Winds of Winter will be released, in addition to the future books. A lot of my friends believe GRRM will be gone before he even finishes them. I however truly believe he’s cooking one of the best stories of all time. I believe he’s struggling to create conclusions and keep track of characters without ruining some other factor, but I believe once he figures it out it’ll blow our minds. Once Winds is out, Dream will probably follow soon after
I’m also waiting for Fire & Blood part 2 and some more Dunk & Egg. I mean those books have to be a lot easier to write right?
a few days ago martin posted about the hbo adaptation of dunk & egg on his blog. he confirmed that the 6 episodes first season will be the hedge knight and said that, if the show does well they will continue with the other two novellas in the next years. then, he said that by that time he expects to have finished some more dunk & egg stories, which hints that he already has the material for them.
Martin has said that he’s not writing any more dunk & egg until winds is complete
My secret hope is he was almost done with TWOW before the pandemic and decided he’ll finish ADOS while he’s stuck home and the last four years he’s been writing that. When he announces TWOW will be coming out, he also announces some time later (3-6 months) that ADOS will drop as a way to reward fans for their patience. Will it really happen? I give it a 10% chance.
That is a dream for spring.
I do think he should start noting Springs plot though and eying an heir. A good King is a realistic ruler
This blog post did have a lot of good crumbs of information concerning Winds. However, my main takeaway from this particular blog post was perhaps he was planting a seed in his fan base that the books and the show will be nothing like each other. (Most fans would rejoice at this) He seems to think he owes something to HBO, or the show crew, or fans of the show, to keep the books similar to the show. Idk why he would think that but it's just the feeling I get when reading or listening to his words.
Great video
I think it will come, but I’m not sure if he lives long enough to finish dream.
you gave me so much hope with the title...
I stick to the assertion that we will one day see winds, because if he is 3/4 of the way through, there is no way the publishers don't release that if he died. It's Dream I'm worried about.
Great Video!
I’ve been wrong many times before but I really think we get Winds in the next 2 years. At the very least a big announcement in 2025. He can’t have more than 400 pages to go and I’d hope once its down to 200 or less he’ll motivated to speed up that final push and be done
he will announce it at worldcon
"When the sun rises in the west and sets in the east. When the seas go dry and mountains blow in the wind like leaves."
It’s not coming out. I would love to be wrong.
I think that the only way we see ADOS is if George allows 3 or 4 writers who he respects to help him, after telling them the details and walking them through all the plot points. We would then have ADOS by 2030. Since he doesn't want anyone to touch "his baby" - as he once said when asked if he would allow someone to finish his book after he died - it looks like ADOS will remain a dream.
But who knows, maybe he shocks us all, lives to see 90, and we get ADOS in 2038.
I'm ready for 3/4s of just Tyrion monologuing and playing cyvasse.
i always liked the theory that he has completed all of the Chapters for Winds and dream apart from the bran chapters and just cannot be bothered to do those ones
A Dream of Manuscripts
Based on the assumption of 3/4 done, then at his pace WOW still has a few more years (like 4 or 5)for him to finish the last 1/4.
I'm legit curious how some of these big GoT channels can post video ideas when multiple of them say they haven't even read the books recently lol. Like sure, you're knowledgeable and probably retain a lot of info. But it just makes me question how good their memory and intel is. Looking up a word or phrase on that site that can pull from all the books won't always give you additional info/context. Just interesting.
I haven't seen it happen here, but I have seen Preston have an issue where that came up and he blamed his ignorance on not having read the series recently like that was an acceptable excuse for saying nonsense. It made me wonder why he was even talking about whatever the topic it was as if he had some deep insight to it (I have no idea what livestream it was, I rarely watch him, it just happened to be the one I popped in on and subsequently left after that happened and was at least several months ago)
As a fellow novelist let enlighten you (and your fans) a little about George's plight. He is a self described "Gardener" type of novelist. I would call him a "Pantster", he would call me an "Architect" instead of a "Plotter", but I digress. Either way he will NEED to step away for every other creative project, "House of Dragon" and "Duck & Egg" as examples. A "Gardener" type is, by nature, slow to re-immerse themselves in a sidelined narrative. So until he decides to re-commit himself 100% to ASOIAF, he will never finish "Winds.." Adding to this is the "Bran is King" note. As a "Gardener" he lets the story "grow" naturally, however he now must force the narrative to a predetermined end. Something that "Gardener"s never(?) do.
Back in summer 2022 when he said he was 75% done i got my hopes up foolishly and said itd cone out around Christmas 2023 💀 Considering we are 6 months past even that now, ive just given up
Top voice crack at 4:24 guyz n gals stay tuned!!
and 6:09 a pure blessing of a video!!!!
There is exactly 0 chance Winds releases in a state that satisfies even a fraction of his audience, which is a massive part of why it has been so long forthcoming.
The hype surrounding it is intense. The fervor of fans who felt slighted by the TV show ending is at a fever pitch.
George is currently in a deep lose-lose scenario. Either he releases the book and people are dissatisfied or he doesn't and people are dissatisfied.
I think that he has grown so fond of Killing things he created to torture his audience that he's making the ultimate choice to kill his entire series.
I'm a fool but, I believe we will get all or nothing. I actually believe due to his writing style and the complexity of the story he has had to write and edit and rewrite the entire rest of the story so that he has enough to go back edit to make it all work. I can't picture it being feasible to do what need be done any other way.
Im pretty confident that he is almost finishing it. But i dont really care if he takes 10 more years as long as he come with good payoffs for what he have builded up in feast and dance. Only way to really be dissapointed with this book is if its only more build up for dream of spring and dont have at least a couple of reveals on some of the mysteries of the series. Im really looking forward to the magic be expanded and be less in the backgound and get more in the forefront of the story, the others storyline have to start impacting westeros for real is the least i expect from a book called the winds of winter, winter has to come and i hope it has more consequences then theons death and takes more than one night to solve it, other than that dont think it can be as bad as what the show did, im excited to see what martin have imagined for all this years to finally get to the climax.
He should just let AI finish it at this point. Literally every year since however long it's been after the last book ASOIAF came out fan channels are like "Here it is, WOW is finally coming!!" Meanwhile GRRM has found time to do anything else but finish his main series... Fire & Blood, working on HOTD and a bunch of spinoffs, God knows what else. I would have taken ONE REALLY GOOD GAME OF THRONES SERIES from start to finish, based on actual finished book material, over every consolation spinoff show and consolation book combined. TBH I wish he had just finished Winds and Dream instead of writing Fire & Blood. He's never gonna finish this series, people. Look at the mans' physical condition-- does that look like a healthy man to you, one that's gonna live that much longer? Listen to all the vague excuse-making in his interviews-- does that sound like a guy that has any intention at all of finishing ASOIAF to you? NO. Neither thing. So we can enjoy our fan theories all we want, but we're never getting the books. At least I held off on investing all the time in reading the series to date. I saved myself the aggravation of not getting a proper ending twice instead of just suffering the destruction of the show.
I think you have it right. Lots of doomers think he's just being lazy and not working on the book, but based on what he has said it sounds like it really is just a difficult part of the story to write because he has to find a way to start wrapping things up in two books with so much still needing resolution. I think it has been close to finished a few times, but he keeps hitting snags and has to go back and rewrite a lot. I think Winds will come by the end of 2025.
What's funny is that GRRM mentioned being imprisoned a real volcano site, White Island, in New Zealand. It erupted later that year (tragically, killed some people). Feels like a joke by the universe.
we're never getting that goddamn book man it's over
Honestly at this point I think the only reason he's occasionally going to cons (That thing you called a podcast in October 2023 was a con in Portugal called Festival Bang, not a podcast) is because he didn't expect TWOW to take this long. And if he really refused all cons and events from 2014 onward then he'd miss out on ever interacting with any fans during the height of his fame. It made sense when he thought he was almost done, doesn't so much make sense 10 years later.
That said I think he's almost done, since with the last two books he took a year to a year and a half to finish the last 1/4th. If he went at ADWD pace from the 1100-1200 point, he'd have finished around 550-600 more pages by now. With ADWD and AFFC he wrote way faster at the end. Course he's older now and probably writes slower and also he's clearly struggled with this book like he hasn't with the others and it also has more plotlines and it also is *the end*. So if it's not a good ending folks will say like they said with the end of the show and be like "Oh it was never leading to anything, it didn't really have anything deep going on under the hood, the characters decisions and feelings ultimately didn't matter because in the end it was nonsense". I think he really wants to avoid that, still maintaining all these hundreds of complex characters, and that's why it's taking so long.
How is GRRM's health? I really hope he doesn't die before finishing the series
It’s sad, but I accepted long ago that we are never getting Winds.
Oh you sweet Summerchild
1:07 a cavil on chronology so to speak! 😊
How are his other books I've never read any of his other books I was wondering if someone could tell me how good his other books are and which ones are best to get a hold of and read
I’ve read through the first 100 pages of Windhaven and it was just okay. You can definitely recognize it as being Martin’s work , with similar themes to ASOIAF but it’s nowhere near as good. I’ve heard good things about the Dying of the Light though
I've read his other books, especially the sci-fi ones. They are extremely flawed and lack creativity with the exception of one. See for yourself on Goodreads, without ASOIAF he would be an obscure and forgotten author.
8:50 I believe "italisised" is the word
I just want to see how the Mannis' story unfold's
Man, I’m laughing so hard, you are such a character 😂
Anywhere from 1-10 more years guys. Hang in there
The best thing that could happen to ASOAIF is to remain incomplete. The obsessed fanboys with their thousand crazy theories and FanFictions will continue to feed on it for decades like a termite and some are more creative than anything George can deliver.
With an end, these people will have to finally look for other things to fill their lives and the cultural legacy of ASOIAF will die a more natural death until eventually reaching a point similar to WoT or Elric.
Like a termite 😂😂😂😂😂 I'm howling
Before watching: I have given up any semblance of hope that I will ever get a true ending to the series, written by Martin. He can be offended at it as much as he wants but I am positive he will kick the bucket before that happens unless he becomes a cyborg and lives another century. I am a little optimistic when it comes to Winds though. That we will get it eventually.
So realistically I want two things from George:
1. Winds of Winter, completed, one or two Volumes, I dont care
2. Background Info on what happened in the writing process, especially concerning the infamous New Years Post from 2016. 8 damned years ago! Martin was, by his own admission, confident to finish the book by the Halloween of 2015 and when that didnt happen, by the end of the year,..... 8 years ago! There has been a lot of speculation and some may be spot on (Rewriting etc) but I really want to know from author himself what took him so god damn long.
And dont give me the George is not your bitch lecture. We arent his bitches either that owe him unconditional love and understanding and it isnt right of him to leave us in the purgatory of ignorance by not giving any really concrete updates or insights on why it takes so long to write a book in a series that he delusionally wants to expand (Dream, Dunk & Egg Stories etc). George´s update policy of leaving his readers in the dark, while flipping them the bird and acting offended any time someone snaps back is the main reason why he gets so much shit when he does his cryptic updates, that arent really updates.
I think more likely than not Winds will release but not Dream. I cannot imagine two books being enough to wrap up the story but even then poor George is just kinda old and might pass before the final book
Maybe people will debate which is worse?
Most interesting to me is characters who died on TV but won’t die in the books. Who died on tv who shouldn’t die? The Hound? OUR BOY Jamie? My money is on both
I am sick and tired of hearing him talk about "the garden". It's been more that a decade. The garden is almost dead.
#Darkstar
#IAmOfTheNight
It’s damp-hair. GRRM has said it MANY Times. He is a sea fairing man, hence wet(damp) hair. Water.
Get it? 😁
Pronouncing Damphair and damfair does psychic damage
There are no such thing as "garden writers", Martin is simply lazy and undisciplined.
It'll never come out because he'd have to actually be writing it instead of gaslighting everyone to maintain his popularity and prestige with fans and executives.
I am optimistic. No Point not being
I believe the books are complete and he wont release them until he dies, to spite us.
George R.R. Martin, the man who sold the world.
I know one character who won’t make it to the end of this book.
George RR Martin.
"Dam-phair"? Are you trolling? 😂
I know it's never coming out, but I still click on these goddamn videos when I see them and get disappointed again anyway. Why do I do this?
Do you think he is writing or eating pizza right now? I think we all know.