The Disturbing Psychology of Messmer the Impaler: Elden Ring Lore
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- Messmer the Impaler was once a feared demi-god, known for his brutal crusades and merciless destruction. But behind the savage flame he wielded lies a tragic story of betrayal, manipulation, and a curse that would seal his fate.
Why has history erased all traces of his existence?
What secrets did his own mother hide from him, leading him down a path of madness?
Dive deep into the untold story of Messmer and uncover the shocking truth behind his forgotten legacy.
(Messmer is a very intricate and complex character with a lot to uncover, this is just my take on his story and what I believe may have happened and why)
Thanks all and I hope you enjoyed the video!
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The tarnished befriending Messmer is actually a thought I like and kinda wish to be an option.
He is, without a doubt, my favourite character in Elden Ring.
Same! Would be really cool. To see a nice dialogue from him where he dies and shows respect to the tarnished. ❤
The complexity of Messmers entire character is what rightfully makes him one of the best characters From Software has ever written. I for my part declared him my favorite character in Souls, just after seeing the trailer for the dlc. I immediately ordered the special edition for a statue of him and was glad, that my high opinion of him was justified by his ambivalent and tragic character
I think Messmer only interacted with Radahn, Ranni, Rykard, Godwyn and Melina, never meeting Miquella/Malenia.
His crusade seems to have taken off only *after* Godfrey's exile and the war with the Giants, as he knows what a Tarnished is. It's likely that he served under Radagon during the Liurnian wars, which paralleled Godfrey's conquest of Limgrave and Caelid, and when they met the moon sisters.
If we look closely at the furnace golems in the Land of Shadow, we can see a few distinctive features. One is the face-mask trophies taken from the Fire Giants (indicating they'd already been used against them), the other is in the articulated face and metallic basket design. This mesh-puppet aesthetic shares some design elements with the Marionette and Avionette enemies; if you look closely, most of their "body" is actually a metal mesh cage/basket, which encloses the puppet-like limbs. My take is that the Furnace Golems were constructed at the behest of the Golden Order following the marriage of Rennala and Radagon (and maybe Rellana and Messmer if the fire-sword theory holds any water) once they were incorporated into the Golden Order.
This could almost be seen as a switch in alliance, as the Carians/Raya Lucaria are descended of the Astrologers, who were friend to the Giants, the Carian moon gazing grounds seem to be inspired by the sacred pool in Motoya Sicily, a body of still water which sat in the center of a temple, and which may have been used to reflect the night sky for astronomical observations of auspicious constellations. This previous relationship between their ancestors may have been the casus belli for Marika's invasion of Liurnia, perhaps while she was still "friends" with the Hornsent, who would have wanted this ancestral ally of the Fire Giants done away with.
Once the whole of the Lands Between were pacified (bar the now veiled Lands of Shadow) she exiled Godfrey and his warriors (both a cruel exile and a gift), called on Messmer to purge to Hornsent, veiled the entire region (ripping it from the bedrock of the continent...) and chose a new Elden Lord, swapping Conan the Barbarian for a more civilized, "proper" lord in Radagon.
Very well put! I feel like at some point Messmer may have figured out the reason why he was really there. I just don't think he was ever able to admit it to himself until his dying breath. But I think deep down, he always knew the reason he was not able to return and told himself the same lie Marika did as the only way to move forward. We also despise that in others that which we loathe in ourselves. He couldn't rid himself of his darkness, but could erase the darkness of others from the world. Such a complex character. During his boss fight, I felt a wide range of polarizing emotions. He has quickly become my favorite boss in any FromSoft game.
Bravo!
I also wanted to add something... the winged serpent is a separate entity from the base serpent. "The winged snakes were Messmer's constant companions. They were there when the base serpent was sealed away behind his eye"
Yeah he was heartbroken character ❤really depressing and it’s a shame we don’t get any dialogues from Melina about him. 😢
Love your messmer picture btw! So beautiful 😻
@@darlingxluxii7977 thank you so much! Sorry, I am just seeing this now 😅. Incredibly tragic character 😔
Messmer being born without grace is something I never thought about, the thought never crossed my mind, nice catch man
Melena and Mesmer really were shunned because of their fire powers and when Marika needed them the most, she couldn't call back to them.
Also, I heard theories that Marika sealed the abyssal snake in Mesmer to eat his flame away and avoid having her tree burned, probably during the era of peace there was at the start of Marika's reign.
Yep his “eye” is actually a scarseal she replaced his eye with to fight off the influence of abyssal serpent.
Parental/Maternal abandonment can cause some real shit in someone, some of it can manifest in very nasty ways.
Ur criminally underrated… leaving this comment so that when u blow up I have proof that I was here from the start
He's not underrated. These discoveries have been uploaded by other TH-camrs, months ago. He needs to be quicker :)
But I liked this video, it's great nonetheless!
Tbh making TH-cam videos isn’t as hard as people think. You just have to be able to think and this guy shows that ability.
@@trapadvisoragreed! It doesn’t really matter the timing it’s how you put it and communicate through your videos that people will love to watch more ❤❤❤
For real! He’s amazing tho! 😊❤keep up the good
This indeed a sad character with such complexity
This Messmer is the Ivory King of Elden Ring but such tragedy including his death
This is a F in the chat moment
This is depressing indeed
You did so well capturing his character man it's fantastic too you deserved my sub
Messmer is a tragic figure when you put the story all together, he's another of Marikas tragic betrayals.
Ha, Dark Souls was all about people trying to prolong the Age of Fire while in Elden Ring fire is spurned and feared.
And it's interesting that Miquella was able to force the belief he was kind. Meanwhile Messmer was made a pariah even though he was genuinely kind.
That is one thing I love about Elden Ring. The story is really profound and interesting.
I wish we could befriend Messmer. I wish we had an option to somehow side with Mequella. Almost, if not all of the major characters are develloped enough to be protagonist on their own.
Messssmer is Messssed up
Not sure if other people see this, but Messmer's overall design is very similar to the famous painting of Archangel Michael with the Spear of Destiny piercing the Devil. The style similarities of the armors, the fact that he uses a spear, bibically the first Archangel/Demigod Child of Marika, and the element that is most associated with Archangel Michael is FIRE. In a way, Messmer became the devil himself, fire and brimstone and all for his "Mother", and was ultimately abandoned. You either die a hero, or live long enough to become a villain.
I believe we need to realize that the "grace" that was used to seal Messmer's Base Serpent is similar to the idea of "Grace" in the lands between. And with the idea that grace usually is a concept of a god giving something like a favor, ultimately, to serve their own goals. It can be giveth, and taketh away all the same. Ultimately, I believe Elden Ring is basically a Divine Tragedy of the concept of "the devil's path is riddled with good intentions", devil not literally used, but symbolically.
A General who wished only for his men’s safety. A God who wished only to fulfill his sovereign duties. A Son who wished only to please his mother. Messmer is as complex as he is tragic.
Great breakdown. His voice actor did a great job of layering emotion into a very small number of lines. Beyond the abyssal serpent, knowing that a ‘lowly’ tarnished might be favored over him by his own mother, and then the realization that he may indeed be unworthy near the end… a great fight and one of best stories told within a fight they’ve ever done
What a beautiful video that embodies EVERYTHING I thought about him as i played the game and the rage I felt on his behalf after having to kill him and reading his remembrance.
Amazing work, bravo sir 👏
❤🔥❤
Messmer, child of a god, committed *genocide* because he had mommy issues, and Rellana was into it. . . wow. So much of the divine families problems could be fixed with just one behavioral hospital visit and half decent therapy.
The quality of this channel is mesmerizing (no pun intended). Great camera work, finely articulated lore, and a refreshing take on how the villain’s view the story/world.
People often forget that just because the bosses are you opposition doesn’t necessarily mean they’re your enemies.
I’m glad I found you, and I hope for your success, my friend. Keep up the good work!
he just want to be embraced by his mother but all what did embraced him was his flame , the serpent and the oblivion of a lightless creature shorn of light by his curse.
she hide him away keeping him a company with her original sin and a hatred that would not be confined
what a sad character 😢
you forgot to add the part where this is a great example of the consequences of blind loyalty
It's cool to think that Godwyn the Golden. The most revered Demi-god showed a liking for Mesmer
If Marika wasn't such a horrible parent Mesmer could've become a God to be praised and loved. Instead he became a War Lord that was forgotten and abandoned
if the tarnished really lacked grace they would not see the erdtree nor be guided by marika, idk how you got that fact that the player character is graceless
Omg I AM IN TEARS!
Well done! One of the best summaries I've seen on TH-cam about them! Bravo!
I believe messmer would be a friendly boss like rellana after defeating her
Messmer is the best written boss in this game 😔
Irony, while the Scarlet Rot is more dangerous, but Malenia didn't be abandoned. instead she became one of the Empyreans.
So it's assumed marika is how mother, but he doesn't say that specifically. The gloam eyed queen is the statue in his room, not marika...
Hey great video!
Love your channel! Loved your Rykard❤❤. Video! It was amazing! I hope you can do Melinda one! 😍😍😍❤❤❤ great video on messmer. Really learnt more about him! I really do wish we could get anime or hbo series on Elden ring. Since George RR Martin inspired Elden ring characters and the world! 😊🎉❤
What do you mean our tarnished is graceless if he/she was guided by the grace/Marika to become the new lord?
Why does he attack us. In lore we can see grace. Or does he jist think since we are tarnished we all have no grace or he hasnt heard of everyone's death during the shattering yet
Thats my theory. If he was sent to war soon after Godfrey and the tarnished were stripped of grace and exhiled.... makes sense he wouldnt know that the tarnished are now been granted grace once again and are returning to the Land between. In his mind, it doesnt matter the reason the Tarnished is here he has a job to be done, although you can hear doubt in his voice as if he suspects Marika sent the tarnished to finish him, but he erases these thoughts and continues to enforce his mother's orders, which are to kill all those who abandoned by grace. Its only in his final grace that he acknowledges Marika's betrayal and curses at her.
because our protagonist is a mute autist so we can’t tell him that we can see it
Amazing video
you are underrated
It would have been cool if messmer had a third remembrance weapon, like some sort of “serpent communion” spell maybe, I mean bear communion was a joke, and Bayles incantations were good, but way too slow for pvp
I want a DLC where we just simply throw hands with Marika. The more I learn about her children, the less inclined I am to call her "complex".
she is just another stereotypical tyrannical god-monrach and that's all. Fromsoft however tried to make us sympathize with her by portraying the victims of her genocide as cliché cartoonish villains which didn't really add anything to Marika's "depth"
GG
Good video, but right off the bat, Messmer isn't a demi-god.
He... is though? He's a direct son of Marika. All children of Marika are considered demigods. When you kill him the game literally tells you "Demigod Slain".
What? Did you fight him or play the base game?
@@outlawshwashbuckle damn, you"re right my bad.
@@Timblobimblo That is a very very good point. My bad, sorry.
Yes he is
The official's attire hinted at whatever Melina and Mesmer went through to have the seals put on them.
How?
Humans love stories. Since the creation of fire, humans would crowed around it and share stories. This video embodies our roots as humans. Well done sir. It may not be much, but I will recommend this channel whenever I get the chance. 🫡