The apple didnt fall far from the tree,Mad respect for your tuning and abilities,not dads lacky but a engineer with full knowledge and capabilities from diagnosis to building and tune.Your dads a proud pappa for sure.
It's the tensioner! 😵💫 Anybody else noticing the crazy amount of movement and then it failed. That's what broke the pulley bolt. Both superchargers were turning at different speeds.
@@KentuckyReef ya, the way it was worded kinda sounded like you were telling them it wasnt a good idea to do that. Im sure they are aware it coulda messed something up but it was overlooked.
I agree with some of the comments below , im sure Steve is a proud Father. I know he get razzed by Dad sometimes but its all in good fun . What an awesom way to grow up . I would have loved working in a shop like that with my Dad 👍🏻
I would have expected a larger bolt for a setup like that...... ....but then again, I'm a flooring installer. 😁 Great job Kyle. You're more impressive every time you get some time of your own in these videos👍
Yeah, that’s too much load on the belt and blower drive. It appeared to be smoking the belt on the initial pulls. Even with cogged belts that set-up is going to be a headache.
Yeah, you definitely lost some boost when at 4:53, the adjustable center idler pulley wasn't tight enough and slid up in the adjustment slot, either at full boost or immediately on deceleration. It is obvious by the angle change of the tensioner before and after. It probably didn't help the stress on the driver's side pulley bolt when the tensioner was bouncing and chattering in the next pull at 5:42 due to the belt being loose. Thanks for the interesting video!
Saw the same with the tensioner. Also after the spark plug change it was back to the 1st pull position. Thinking out loud. Kyle wonder if the belt tensioner is causing some extra load on the belt causing the broken pulley bolt?
You probably will need to engineer a double single belt for making each blower to be driven by its individual drive belt, which will relieve side load thrust on the drivers side blower drive flange. It would probably have to be a gear driven divider to transfer the crankshaft's single belt through the multiplier transfer gearbox that has two individual belts for individually driving each blower. This multiplier multiple gearbox should be located near the water pump area, which will result in three short drive belts, which lessons the crankshaft and both blower's angular torque against the drive collars and bolts. Whipple should have thought about this when the four lobe rotor blower was being designed.
I don't understand how that would help 😕, just seems like more moving parts to fail, they should have just made it so the bolt isn't taking the load, like making a flange for it to sit on that's more than an 8th like he said. The bolt should hold it on, not take the force.
Blower pulley coming off. The drivers side pulley sees the bending load of that blower and that of the passenger side blower. RE, The passenger side blower is pulling on the belt and this adds a bending load to the drivers side. If this was a single blower, the slack side of the belt would only see the load of a belt tensioner. A toothed belt drive could help as these rely on teeth to transmit power Vs a V belt needing friction.
I think they need to redesign the tensioner too. At 4:52 it flips up and hits the other pulleys, dislodging the top idler! It's probably the cause of half their timing issues too.
@@shaunwilson8413 Good catch, I didn't notice the first time. Agree, that needs to be reviewed to see where all the slack is coming from (what else is flexing or all belt stretch).
Amazing video Kyle!! You seem so comfortable behind the camera lately I couldn't even tell I wasn't watching your dad and I love it!!! Thanks for all the great uploads Morris crew!!!
Beautiful car I’ve always loved the 67-71 Camaro loved everything about them all thanks for sharing At 10:16 you guys left the old plugs on top of supercharger and they were flying off
Might have something to do with the fact that the “quad rotor” dual supercharger systems are more meant for marine applications and most marine stuff ain’t spinning as high of rpm as this is nor will the rpm rise that fast in marine applications. More rpm = more power required to drive the blowers= more stress on the blower drive. The after the rpm comes on the more it shock loads the blower drive. One thing that may help reduce stress on that bolt is adding an idler pulley after the belt comes off the second blower that way the crank is directly yanking on that blower snout.
Pretty cool deal..feel like it's more of a novelty setup. Don't get me wrong it's cool ass hell but there's way more efficient ways to make power lol but hey not my car.. cool stuff, definitely different.
Dennis Taylor....... Doesn't his daughter drain transmission fluids, clean spark plugs and keeps the shop clean? I don't know where he'd be without her. 😁 Man, that car is a beauty.
Interesting deal, we were running some quadrotor Whipple deals on water ski racing boats back in the mid to late 90's. A shop that I did quite a bit of engine building for worked with Dustin doing development on the dyno.
🤯 twin supercharger??????!!!!! Oh HELL yes brother! The supercharger belt tensioner moved a lot, it changed position after the street pulls and the idler pulley got smacked and pushed up. First race tune it pulled it all the way tight and held it there even after shutdown.
Had me raise my eyebrow when I saw they left the old spark plugs on the blower during the pull at 10:09. You want to be sure NOTHING is near the motor, on the motor, or near the intakes during a pull. Those things can do serious damage if they go in the wrong places.
finding the sweet spot cost big bucks....... hopefully with the lean spot the motor didn't lose compression ring tension definitely seen pressure off the catch can vent
I’ve always said, my 64 big block mercury, is not done being built, till there’s a blower through the hood!!! DANG it!!! Now it’s 2 blowers!!!! Super cool amazing car!! I better get to work !!!
Did you verify tdc against the tdc marked on the crank, and then base timing? Only time I've seen headers get that hot that quick was when I didn't have enough timing in a lazy head. (Comparative to what I'm used to). I've also never seen a twin Whipple setup before. Super awesome deal.
@jackmagnium6115 high load situations there... anyways, I'd like to hear their thoughts. My gut tells me something is off. There are other signs as well. However, I'm genuinely interested, asking an honest question because I don't know the answer. I do this for a living and have the same dyno, btw.
@@colbylux-hale5561 Agree with your thoughts and questioning here; your experience vastly outweighs mine. Nice, civilized response -- thank you for that! Hoping my reply will draw some attention to your question (due to increased activity, I don't know if or how that works but it can't hurt😉).
@lt1nut I appreciate it. I'm always learning, searching for information, and reading. That is what keeps my love for this strong. Anyways, hopefully, Steve or Kyle will see this and dig into it a bit in the future.
@@colbylux-hale5561 there are many vids showing boats with twin supercharged 572 chevy engines AND v12's. there are a few cars/hot rods that run twin superchargers and prochargers but twin whipple setups are typically are used in marine racing and marine hauling applications [specifically luxury yacht's and speed boats] i had seen many vids showing these boats using engines in this manner
You got spark plugs falling off the top of the blower after making the switch to race fuel. then the stumble shifting gears. Seems like it's hitting a high load cell on the shift that needs some fuel.
Thankfully that pulley didn't hit the fender or another car. My buddy had his harmonic balancer break off like that in 1995 on a new fully built 1991 mustang. The balancer hit the street and bounced back up into his thousand dollar Ron Davis radiator, 5 hundred dollar black magic electric fan and right through his thousand dollar 4 inch Cervini cowl hood which was on backorder and took 4 months to get. And the car had only been finished being painted for a week. Definitely sucked to witness that.
At around the 4.55-5.00 minute mark, the idler/guide pulley between the chargers moved up like the bolt wasn’t able to hold the pulley in the adjustment slot properly
Real nasty/got some lundging torque! Rad! I had a 68' myself, I built for my wife. One for two; Do Not miss the wife @ all... butt: sure miss the 68' Camaro! Thank you, J
Great interesting update , and a beautiful car. Please let us know how this turns out , I am very curious if those Whipples are up to the task. Many thanks.
Man ! I just watched cletus , with the new engine Pete built for Leroy, and it is a destroyed monster .. now I get to watch Steve & Kyle with a bad ass car/torque monster..Next I watch Tim Bailey.. #priceless
Holy comoie that big block sounds so nasty so cool 😎 that he’s had it sence he was 17 and that you are helping him get her tuned that’s gotta be a pleasure for all involved and thanks 😊 for sharing you guys rotating the earth 🌍
Cool car but why not just go with a larger blower instead of a Frankenstein set up? Or a nice twin turbo set up ? To each his own tho Great vid Steve Jr 😂
I have work with these blowers. I looks like it was slipping the belt on the first blower earlier. Not the one that the shaft broke. 6ribs Will slip. I dont know how many ribs you have there. Have the same like Mercury Racing Engines have
Your are the next generation of the Great sport of Drag and drive you will exceed what you Dad has acmlished two fold i met your mom and dad they're great people GODSPEED
The title, twin super chargers, I think wow! Then I look to see who's channel, I am like right, I should have known that. But then i'm like oh yeah i'm subscribed, duh 🤪
Where is the old man . this kid doesn't seem to have the touch like the old man but then what do I know ... The kid left the other plugs on top of the magnuson blower Real rookie type move bravo Morris Bravo...
The apple didnt fall far from the tree,Mad respect for your tuning and abilities,not dads lacky but a engineer with full knowledge and capabilities from diagnosis to building and tune.Your dads a proud pappa for sure.
Eventually he'll probably be designing his own Kyle MX engines im thinking a KFMX. Ford block🤔👍
Ford block 😂 pretty sure their a Chevy family. A secondary hemi. Don’t think they are ford fans.
@@joshreynolds729doesn't Kyle race a mustang?
@@Spike-sk7qlyes he does lol😂 with a ford engine too!
Guess I was wrong. Just figured the SMX is based on an ls and I’ve never seen them working on a ford. So wouldn’t think he would use a ford motor.
Kyle might be the best engine Steve ever built. He's a natural.
😂😂
Purrs like a kitten even
My dad used to tell me the best part of him ran down his leg, and he ended up with me😂
He has natural aspirations!
lol. he is a joke. he left the old plugs on top of the motor...
I love how transparent the Morris family is. Great video.
It's the tensioner! 😵💫
Anybody else noticing the crazy amount of movement and then it failed.
That's what broke the pulley bolt.
Both superchargers were turning at different speeds.
Yeah I thought that looked kinda weird
That or the fact that spinning 2 blowers with one belt that thing stretches and says uncle instantly.
@@prototribal4659 Might need a cogged belt. That has it's own set of issues but it might hang in there a little better for acceleration runs.
That’s a nice looking 68 Camaro, great job with it Dave!
Dangerous to leave tools, plugs in the engine compartment when doing pulls
Plugs fell off the supercharger. I' seen that as well....
so you think they did that on purpose? It was a simple oversight, it happens.
@@warrenmichael918 did I say they did it on purpose! Simple oversight doesn’t mean that it’s not dangerous!
@@KentuckyReef ya, the way it was worded kinda sounded like you were telling them it wasnt a good idea to do that. Im sure they are aware it coulda messed something up but it was overlooked.
@@KentuckyReefdon't pay that loser any mind!
10:09 Even throwing extra plugs in there made no difference 🤣
Nice car.
The external plugs need to be a couple heat ranges colder than the internal plugs, that's the problem.
Sloppy work... That could have been bad.
For a second I thought it blew that plug out of it's threads, lol
Kyle really good video buddy… ya kept us clearly informed at each step of the tuning, explained what was next , just a really good job man 👍
I agree with some of the comments below , im sure Steve is a proud Father. I know he get razzed by Dad sometimes but its all in good fun . What an awesom way to grow up . I would have loved working in a shop like that with my Dad 👍🏻
Kyles first solo vid, get it buddy! Good job with the delegation Steve it's why you're so successful! You guys are the coolest 😎😎😎
It's cool to see Kyle not only knowing how to tune and Dyno but be so comfortable in front of the camera.
I would have expected a larger bolt for a setup like that......
....but then again, I'm a flooring installer. 😁 Great job Kyle. You're
more impressive every time you get some time of your own in these videos👍
For a single blower it's prolly more than enough, but add the drag of a second blower on it and snap
Yeah, that’s too much load on the belt and blower drive.
It appeared to be smoking the belt on the initial pulls.
Even with cogged belts that set-up is going to be a headache.
Yeah, you definitely lost some boost when at 4:53, the adjustable center idler pulley wasn't tight enough and slid up in the adjustment slot, either at full boost or immediately on deceleration. It is obvious by the angle change of the tensioner before and after. It probably didn't help the stress on the driver's side pulley bolt when the tensioner was bouncing and chattering in the next pull at 5:42 due to the belt being loose. Thanks for the interesting video!
i watched that back in slow motion, tensioner certainly lost its position.
Saw the same with the tensioner. Also after the spark plug change it was back to the 1st pull position. Thinking out loud. Kyle wonder if the belt tensioner is causing some extra load on the belt causing the broken pulley bolt?
You probably will need to engineer a double single belt for making each blower to be driven by its individual drive belt, which will relieve side load thrust on the drivers side blower drive flange. It would probably have to be a gear driven divider to transfer the crankshaft's single belt through the multiplier transfer gearbox that has two individual belts for individually driving each blower. This multiplier multiple gearbox should be located near the water pump area, which will result in three short drive belts, which lessons the crankshaft and both blower's angular torque against the drive collars and bolts. Whipple should have thought about this when the four lobe rotor blower was being designed.
This ^^^
I don't understand how that would help 😕, just seems like more moving parts to fail, they should have just made it so the bolt isn't taking the load, like making a flange for it to sit on that's more than an 8th like he said. The bolt should hold it on, not take the force.
Blower pulley coming off.
The drivers side pulley sees the bending load of that blower and that of the passenger side blower. RE, The passenger side blower is pulling on the belt and this adds a bending load to the drivers side. If this was a single blower, the slack side of the belt would only see the load of a belt tensioner.
A toothed belt drive could help as these rely on teeth to transmit power Vs a V belt needing friction.
I think they need to redesign the tensioner too. At 4:52 it flips up and hits the other pulleys, dislodging the top idler! It's probably the cause of half their timing issues too.
@@shaunwilson8413 Good catch, I didn't notice the first time. Agree, that needs to be reviewed to see where all the slack is coming from (what else is flexing or all belt stretch).
Great work brother, soaking up all that knowledge from the ole man is paying off. On standby for an update on this gorgeous 68
Amazing video Kyle!! You seem so comfortable behind the camera lately I couldn't even tell I wasn't watching your dad and I love it!!! Thanks for all the great uploads Morris crew!!!
WOW. The torque dam
Beautiful car I’ve always loved the 67-71 Camaro loved everything about them all thanks for sharing
At 10:16 you guys left the old plugs on top of supercharger and they were flying off
I'm sure they noticed that before and during editing this video.
WOW!!! Awesome. I havnt sat up in my chair to look at a Camaro in a while.
Don't leave the spark plugs on top of the blowers, they can fall off and get mixed up in the bits that go round and round! 😉
Might have something to do with the fact that the “quad rotor” dual supercharger systems are more meant for marine applications and most marine stuff ain’t spinning as high of rpm as this is nor will the rpm rise that fast in marine applications. More rpm = more power required to drive the blowers= more stress on the blower drive. The after the rpm comes on the more it shock loads the blower drive. One thing that may help reduce stress on that bolt is adding an idler pulley after the belt comes off the second blower that way the crank is directly yanking on that blower snout.
Pretty cool deal..feel like it's more of a novelty setup. Don't get me wrong it's cool ass hell but there's way more efficient ways to make power lol but hey not my car.. cool stuff, definitely different.
Hah, it pulling 1337 torque on run 3 made me chuckle.
10:09 Spark plugs falling off the Blower
Great to see the "real world" tribulations of tuning a car, especially one you didn't spec and build. Hope to see updates when the blower is repaired.
Interesting to see how you deal with problems as I am sure not all the runs SME does are flawless. Well done Kyle.
Lucky one of those loose plugs didn’t fall into the belt drive👀😅
Dennis Taylor....... Doesn't his daughter drain transmission fluids, clean spark plugs and keeps the shop clean?
I don't know where he'd be without her. 😁
Man, that car is a beauty.
Steve has taught his son well. If half the fathers here in the states were like Steve it would be a much better place.
When are we gonna see this top secret torque converter?
That is a secret too.
Interesting deal, we were running some quadrotor Whipple deals on water ski racing boats back in the mid to late 90's. A shop that I did quite a bit of engine building for worked with Dustin doing development on the dyno.
Kyle is the perfect embodiment and clone of his dad. The similarities are amazing. Like looking at a young Steve 25 years ago.
Someone was a fan of the Mercury Racing 1075SCi.
68 is my favorite year 🙂
take the spark plugs off the blowers next time🤣
🤯 twin supercharger??????!!!!! Oh HELL yes brother! The supercharger belt tensioner moved a lot, it changed position after the street pulls and the idler pulley got smacked and pushed up. First race tune it pulled it all the way tight and held it there even after shutdown.
Much Respect to Kyle and Steve to have one of the Baddest Drag n Drive Race shops in Michigan 🏁🚀 I wish I could work There.
Good work young Morris. horse power will find the weak link. job well done ,hope to see the fix.
How much boost you want?? Yes…….
At the run @ 10;14 plugs falling of blower.
Sounds great!! I don’t know if you noticed the hardware that fell off the blower at hi rpm , great job thank you for sharing 👍🏼💪🏼🏁.
It was just a set of spark plugs
@@austindavis6314just😧
Old plugs that he changed out, must've forgot em sitting up on top
Spark plugs left on the engine during the dyno pull, goof!! Sloppy work from Kyle!!
@@youngdenzel9574🫵🙏🏻🧐😇
Had me raise my eyebrow when I saw they left the old spark plugs on the blower during the pull at 10:09. You want to be sure NOTHING is near the motor, on the motor, or near the intakes during a pull. Those things can do serious damage if they go in the wrong places.
finding the sweet spot cost big bucks....... hopefully with the lean spot the motor didn't lose compression ring tension definitely seen pressure off the catch can vent
I'm watching the belt tensioner. Wow, that thing is jumping like crazy!! I'm thinking one belt isn't enough!
The tuning of Morris 2.0 is coming along nicely.
It’s so obvious you have mad skills my man. Just not a big camera fan. Thats cool. Nothing wrong with being humble Kyle.
Kyle is a natural on the camera, and Im no judge but looks like he knows what he's doing on the tuning too!
What a wild setup! I've never seen a dual supercharger setup on such a racecar... 😲😎🤟
I’ve always said, my 64 big block mercury, is not done being built, till there’s a blower through the hood!!!
DANG it!!!
Now it’s 2 blowers!!!!
Super cool amazing car!!
I better get to work !!!
incredible work as always. every video I learn more. keep it up!!!
Well good luck to Dave and sorry about the breakage. Interesting setup
Did you verify tdc against the tdc marked on the crank, and then base timing? Only time I've seen headers get that hot that quick was when I didn't have enough timing in a lazy head. (Comparative to what I'm used to). I've also never seen a twin Whipple setup before. Super awesome deal.
its pretty common on marine and sand buggy applications. mainly in marine racing and hot rod applications
@jackmagnium6115 high load situations there... anyways, I'd like to hear their thoughts. My gut tells me something is off. There are other signs as well. However, I'm genuinely interested, asking an honest question because I don't know the answer. I do this for a living and have the same dyno, btw.
@@colbylux-hale5561
Agree with your thoughts and questioning here; your experience vastly outweighs mine.
Nice, civilized response -- thank you for that!
Hoping my reply will draw some attention to your question (due to increased activity, I don't know if or how that works but it can't hurt😉).
@lt1nut I appreciate it. I'm always learning, searching for information, and reading. That is what keeps my love for this strong. Anyways, hopefully, Steve or Kyle will see this and dig into it a bit in the future.
@@colbylux-hale5561 there are many vids showing boats with twin supercharged 572 chevy engines AND v12's. there are a few cars/hot rods that run twin superchargers and prochargers but twin whipple setups are typically are used in marine racing and marine hauling applications [specifically luxury yacht's and speed boats]
i had seen many vids showing these boats using engines in this manner
Kyle, that big block engine with the twin whipple arrangement is a great accomplishment.
Sweet car thanks to the owner for letting you video it and share it.
I was hoping for 2,000+ HP on this build! Couple bolts and nuts to tweak into this tuning but I will follow for updates! Thanks for sharing!
Leo Walters, has a similar twin blower setup in a 69 el Camino in 1982. He built some awesome blower setups. Leo’s blowers St. Louis mo.
You got spark plugs falling off the top of the blower after making the switch to race fuel. then the stumble shifting gears. Seems like it's hitting a high load cell on the shift that needs some fuel.
I’m in love❤❤❤ I want that Camaro ,,,had one when i was in my early twenties 40 years ago 😢 …
Lotta money, time and effort in a beautiful car. I hope the man is able to reach his 7.90 goal.
wasnt aware of a twin wipple Double ur pleasure Double ur fun lol
I can only imagine the parasitic loss from two dual Whipple blowers. And trying to keep IAT’s at a reasonable level.
Thankfully that pulley didn't hit the fender or another car. My buddy had his harmonic balancer break off like that in 1995 on a new fully built 1991 mustang. The balancer hit the street and bounced back up into his thousand dollar Ron Davis radiator, 5 hundred dollar black magic electric fan and right through his thousand dollar 4 inch Cervini cowl hood which was on backorder and took 4 months to get. And the car had only been finished being painted for a week. Definitely sucked to witness that.
At around the 4.55-5.00 minute mark, the idler/guide pulley between the chargers moved up like the bolt wasn’t able to hold the pulley in the adjustment slot properly
I can't imagine what that thing is like to drive. Absolute madness. Great job on the tuning
Real nasty/got some lundging torque! Rad! I had a 68' myself, I built for my wife. One for two; Do Not miss the wife @ all... butt: sure miss the 68' Camaro! Thank you, J
Something doesn't sound happy. Definitely labored
I like how the old plugs slid off the top of the blower and skipped off the fender on that first race pull. Lol
"I've never dyno'd anything with a twin whipple on it before..." lol
says: "Kyle really whipped that engine until it taught him a lesson on too much RPM."
SPARK PLUGS LEFT ON THE ENGINE DURING A DYNO PULL. GOOF!
165 👍's up Steve Morris thank you for sharing 😎
Dave and his car are awesome!!
Dang man I love that car . Sounds great 👍🏻
Great vid from the young fella
Glad to see the real life experience of what you and your Dad do everyday.God bless
Great interesting update , and a beautiful car. Please let us know how this turns out , I am very curious if those Whipples are up to the task. Many thanks.
Great video Kyle. Articulate and well spoken
68 Camaro
@10:12 the spark plugs falling off 🫣
Got lucky leaving the plugs on the motor for that one pull 😬
Dewey would be good at catchin those runaway pullys
Left the spark plugs on top of the blower lol love the content guys
Great project. I’d get heavier duty bolts for the blowers. Switch both out.
Man ! I just watched cletus , with the new engine Pete built for Leroy, and it is a destroyed monster .. now I get to watch Steve & Kyle with a bad ass car/torque monster..Next I watch Tim Bailey.. #priceless
Dude nice job keep up the great work Kyle
Thanks Kyle , super nice car !
Holy comoie that big block sounds so nasty so cool 😎 that he’s had it sence he was 17 and that you are helping him get her tuned that’s gotta be a pleasure for all involved and thanks 😊 for sharing you guys rotating the earth 🌍
Cool car but why not just go with a larger blower instead of a Frankenstein set up? Or a nice twin turbo set up ?
To each his own tho
Great vid Steve Jr 😂
thank you Kyle can you do one a week I would appreciate it also keep us up-to-date on your car
Good thing the spark plugs left on top of supercharger during 10:10 pull didnt cause a problem
I have work with these blowers. I looks like it was slipping the belt on the first blower earlier. Not the one that the shaft broke. 6ribs Will slip. I dont know how many ribs you have there. Have the same like Mercury Racing Engines have
Uh, Hell Yea Brother!
Alotta top heavy rotating mass for 'only' apx. 1500 HP.
Very first pull, smoked the belt. Each blower should have it's own belt.
Your are the next generation of the Great sport of Drag and drive you will exceed what you Dad has acmlished two fold i met your mom and dad they're great people GODSPEED
The title, twin super chargers, I think wow! Then I look to see who's channel, I am like right, I should have known that. But then i'm like oh yeah i'm subscribed, duh 🤪
Where is the old man . this kid doesn't seem to have the touch like the old man but then what do I know ... The kid left the other plugs on top of the magnuson blower Real rookie type move bravo Morris Bravo...
Fun with Kyle.
Rock on man.