Well, if you remove all the the racism, military-industrial complex and social subtexts, it's pretty not political Conservatives are really good for not seeing the points of the media they watch
There are conservatives who think Star Trek is for them too. There's even a forum post on Memory Alpha titled "Leftist Admins here on Memory Alpha" that complains about "pro-LBBGQT support". 🤦
@@autdelux Except, The expanse has all those "woke bs" concervatives are mad of. There are gay couples (with kids !), polyamorous romances, non white people and women as strong characters and so on It's like those who complain that Star trek or Doctor who are "gone woke" but these show are woke since the beginning (in the f*ing 60's)
Maybe they meant trying to put forth a political viewpoint like a lot of shows. There is a lot of politicking in the show, but you notice none of the factions are put forth as being clearly righteous to the others? All 3 factions have good, bad, and questionable actors and you really can’t pinpoint to one group. Just a guess tho
9:13 - Konecheck did do it. The next cut has Amos picking up the weapon off the guard and gripping it. Amos knows the weapon is bio-coded so it won't fire. He picks it up to check the ammo count which you can see is zero. The guard had outlived his usefulness and Konecheck was improving his chances.
When Filip tells Naomi that he "saved her life", he's referring to keeping her off the Rocinante. That's WHY he had Naomi taken to the Pella at the start of the series - otherwise she would have gone home, and been on the ship next time the reactor started. Naomi almost immediately clicks as to the implications for this - and goes STRAIGHT to Cyn - because she knows he can't convincingly lie to her, and she knows she can use his comm if he confirms what is happening. His defeated sigh is enough confirmation - and from there, she doesn't hesitate.
I think it’s wild that the show manages to make Marco Inaros charismatic without ever making him sympathetic or some sort of power fantasy. You understand how he’s gained a following, he is the underdog and punching above his weight, and the show is sympathetic to the plight of the Belters in general, yet Marco still comes across as completely vile. You know that meme of “Wow, the filmic language of discussing male insecurity happens to look exactly like male power fantasy, I hope no one misinterprets it”? Somehow the show avoided the Tyler Durden/Joker trap
“That’s your problem. You think that because someone’s the underdog, that makes them the good guy.” It wasn’t just Fred who did that. And it wasn’t just Bull who knew it. Marco knows it too!
Sakai, during the interrogation, hears that they are going hunting in the Roci. She knows what she did to the ship and resigns herself to death as a ship blowing up in the docks on the station will kill everyone there. Going back and watching Bahia Watson's performance...she did fantastic
Yes. That’s what season 4 is important for, is showing that wherever WE go, there WE are. We bring us with us, and all of our worst beliefs and behaviors come with us. And like you said, even with untold riches at our fingertips, we fought over the first patch of rare dirt we found.
As for the political: I believe you are correct about the Star Wars / American ‘blindness’. I read about some US troops in Afghanistan who said when they arrived they realized the US was the Empire and the locals were the rebels. We Americans like to romantize the ‘scrappy underdog’ and like to believe we represent that ‘side’, but we’ve not been that since the end of the US Civil War (1865). Everyone wants to believe they’re the ‘good guy’ fighting the ‘good fight’, but that cannot always be true. But Bull is right, too, just because someone is the scrappy rebel, it doesn’t mean they’re right.
@@philiparonson8315 no, USAsians don't really care about the underdog. You can easily tell that from the sports. Easy, high scoring games hinder the underdog. Soccer on the otherhand is very underdog friendly....and the USA wanted to make the goals bigger so it was a higher scoring sport
Rounding out the ship roster: the “Zmeya” is the ship that stole the protomolecule from Tycho, the “Dewalt” is Drummer’s flagship, the “Mowteng” is the first ship they salvaged, and the “Tynan” is Ashford’s ship they also recovered.
He sees himself as the Afghan insurgents who brought down empires. As he progresses, he increasingly sees himself as being another Alexander the Great, only greater.
That's my thinking too. Though Hollywood has often depicted emergency ladders in elevator shafts, they aren't for emergencies, they're for maintenance.
I’ve said this when I first watched this season. Whoever is in the casting department needs to get raises, because They casted the perfect actor who looks both like Marcos & Naomi. ❤
Look, I hate to burst the bubble of the allegedly awesome casting department but, as someone who worked on the show, I have to reveal - and I know this may get me into legal trouble - that Jasai Chase Owens was actually purpose-made by the show itself. During early research about the regrowth gel, Ty Franck and Naren Shankar accidentally discovered how to create (and fast-grow) human clones from singular or hybridized DNA. So, back in the SyFy seasons, they obtained DNA samples from Keon Alexander (secretly cast years in advance) and Dom Tipper, combined them, and grew Jasai in a laboratory in Southern Scarborough. With the counter-agent applied, Jasai (aka Sample #W659) can now live a full and normal life. I just had to finally reveal that! __ * Bring it, Alcon! The public deserved the truth!
"The Expanse" is one of the best shows I've ever seen at creating amazing one-off characters that appear in one or two episodes. Tiny is another memorable character.
I agree with Nerdy's statement that getting too close to reality with a message is less effective. I'm reminded of an episode of Star Trek: Enterprise where T'Pol gets brain AIDS from having unprotected mind melds with random Vulcans (which is just stupid, because Spock mind melded with everything he could get a hand on, a murderer, a rock, a space probe that gained sentience, etc.). Also: Uhmos.
Chetzemoka was an Native-American chief who resided in the city which became Port Townsend, Washington. There is a also a passenger ferry by that name as well, which services areas of Washington State.
If you think back to when the Roci was chasing Eros, Holden and Amos were breathing hard, but Naomi's nose was already bleeding. Living at full Earth gravity is much better than microgravity when it comes to acceleration tolerance.
As a theory, the different panels for the ladder could probably be opened remotely from topside, but also only up to the point where they would need them open (for maintenance work and the like).
11:18 For a split second or two as Naomi enters the flight deck of the Pella (Marco's ship) you see surveillance footage and data of the Rocinante still docked at Tycho Station on the screens in the background.
Somthing ty ( one of the writers ) said in an interview on ty and thay guy when descusing exactly what you said about the politics is, the show and sci-fi in general gives permission for people to to examine and critically think about the parallels between the fiction and real life without otherising people or forcing sides to be taken I will post the ep number if you want to check it out Ty & That Guy - The Expanse Aftershow S6E5 w/ Cara Gee & Shohreh Aghdashloo
I am conflicted about that message the show presented to us at the beginning of the series about the solar system having three political factions. That was massive misdirection meant to hide what were the actually the facts and enhance the mystery regarding who nuked the Cant and assualted the Donager. There are no "three groups", because each supposed "group" has dozens if not hundreds of splinter groups or factions. With the opening of the Ring Gates, the one society that perhaps looked monolithic, the MCR, quickly fell apart into multiple factions. The "Earth vs. Mars vs. The Belt" conflict was never a proper way to analyze The Expanse.
When you guys have finished the show, you should check out the Ty and That Guy podcast. It's Ty Franck (one of the writers) and Wes Chatham. The guy who plays Tiny was a guest on their show and he's hilarious!
This is a major reveal/spoiler, as is every comment after it. (A spoiler doesn't have to be specific, but at the very least you've just revealed how much worse things will get for her.)
I'm grateful that Nerdy is paying attention to the complexities of this show. I think that a person like Marcos was bound to appear after the CENTURIES of torture and basically slavery that the Belters have endured by the hands of the Inners. Don't forget that the Inners were killing BELTER CHILDREN (remember the ship they had Fred blow up with no problem?). Or how the Inners used Ganymede as a testing ground for the Protomolecule, killing Belters and destroying their home in the process. Or how the Inners used the Belt to haul ice and water but Belters didn't have access to clean water themselves. The show has shown -- time and time again -- that the Inners don't see Belters as human and treat them like trash and will kill them if they dare to go against them. They also block the Belters from obtaining freedom by claiming new land as we saw in Season 4. When you are being suffocated everywhere you turn, you are BOUND to fight back. Period. If someone is stepping on your neck, are you not gonna scour to find something to stab them in the foot? I fully believe that you cannot judge people for how they respond to their oppression, especially when it's centuries long. So, I don't agree with calling the older white man a bad person. He's a complex person. One thing The Expanse has shown us is that good and bad are not easy descriptors to put on people. And, to say that they were "manipulated" into this cause makes it seem like the Belters on Marcos' side are not thinking clearly and to be honest, I think they've all thought deeply about it, weighed the pros and cons and decided to go for it because nothing was getting better for them. (P.S. - I often feel like Clarus generalizes some more complex characters and plot points and doesn't think as critically as I would like for her to, which is interesting because she's a woman, but I digress.....).
I love the Belter Identity as an idea. They are figuring out what defines them in a world that is rapidly changing. They are a young nation and kind of transitional since after they settle on a planet they lose what made them different from their oppressors. Now Marko lid the system on fire and no one has their old identity to fall back on. It's beautiful worldbuilding
I would think the emergency hatch could only be activated from the top, you wouldn't want prisoners to have access to it from the bottom. It could be at the top a guard would push something spring those panels open for the lower guards.
You're not wrong on the general observation of mindsets but two things - 1) Marco's plan started before anyone knew about what happened on Ilus and 2) The Belters on Ilus fired first, which is what left Murtry in charge in the first place. (And he was the absolute worst person to have ended up in charge).
Apart from the writing, the greatest strength of this show is the amazing performances they get from actors playing parts that may only last one or two episodes... They really bring out the best in all their actors, and it shows; every episode is memorable for the small characters in it.
"Fuck you god! You missed again!" LOLOLOllol!! XD Konecek is a fun one-off character for a single episode! He is a psycho, murderous bastard though. :P Also, Naomi is currently on the "Pella", Marco's flagship. Just so you know, "Pella" was the name of the city that Alexander the Great was born in, so that should give you some idea about how Marco Inaros sees himself.
Bad guys almost never see themselves as bad guys, they almost always have a justification for their actions, if only in their own mind. To me, one of the strengths of The Expanse is that we hear those justifications.
With communications and civil organizations broken, those initial estimates will be significantly smaller than the numbers when more reports roll in. That was an odd reaction by Nerdy, because just last week he was freaking out (quite rightly) about the delayed death toll from loss of power, clean water, food distribution, etc. Plus the eventual years long disruption to the environment.
It doesn't matter what you are fighting for, the second you turn to murder you have lost the right to be taken serious and need to go down. Also remember with Season 4, it started with the Belters murdering the guy in charge, to give Murtry the power he had to begin with.
Who murdered whom first? Let's not forget the Ganymede refugees are refugees because Earth and Mars destroyed their home and killed many of them. Not to mention Eros, Anderson Station, and many other cases. Are human beings supposed to forget those things happen and, without the slightest bit of remorse or repentance from Earth or Mars, should they pretend all is well until the next time?
I expect the ladder is there to give maintenance access and, under normal circumstances, building maintenance crews would've had some kind of specialist tool for opening the coverings
Small point that will help you understand the next episode better (but it's NOT a spoiler): The Razorback (aka the Raging Fire Hawk) is an *extremely* valuable ship, the equivalent of a top line Bugatti sports car or even more...
@@benjaminodonnell258 Yes, but we are more in the "unique piece of engineering made for pure speed" territory than "fancy and fast small production vehicle" It's not a Bugatti Chiron, it's a "street legal" Red Bull Racing RB19
Fun fact: The term "bimbo" in the early 1900s originally referred to a _man_ who was handsome but useless. The term came to mean a pretty but useless woman about mid-20th century. Another fan likened Marco's old companion Cyn to a psychologically abused housewife, which I think is accurate. While Murtry was the "big bad" proving that Earth was an unreliable ally, the worst point to me was shown by Nancy Gao. She had also displayed a broad disregard of Belter life, and she should have represented the best of Earth. The Expanse checks all the "woke" boxes, except that it empowers women without de-powering men. Everyone gets to be empowered, everyone gets to be a hero, everyone gets to be a villain....which makes The Expans actually rather traditional in science fiction. Edit: Change "woke" to "DEI." The Expanse practices DEI to a great extent and in a positive, organic way, but on second thought, it's not "woke" because it's not doing DEI as an ideological message.
Interesting. I also noticed that The Expanse has included the "you vill eat zee bugs!" cricket meal meme. Not sure if it's supposed to be advocacy, or a warning.
It is Naomi's code, I think. The same that Marco used to blow up the ship on Luna, a story that Naomi told Lucia. That's what helped her figure it out.
Never really appreciated how awesome that editing was in that rooftop fight scene. Tiny threw that one guy he had by the neck off like a rag doll . And then Amos going all out on Tiny's face and then backflips him. They really sold it. I wonder if Adam Savage supplied the dummies, hehe.
I realize commenting is kinda pointless since you watched this months ago, but Clarissa's mod is just additional sacks of adrenaline that fill over time and then can be released into her bloodstream when she triggers it with her tongue. There are documented examples of people performing superhuman feats of strength in crisis situations, so that is the idea behind it.
Both the blast yield estimates and the fatality estimates in the show are out of step with the explosions as depicted on screen and just what you would expect from an asteroid of that size hitting the areas that they hit. I think these are either script errors or downplaying the severity of the strikes for some inscrutable producer-related reason. In the books the casualties are far higher.
I commend you on your serious take on this content. I don't see it as "woke" though it does intelligently deal with gender, race, culture, religion, and other differences. My opinion has not changed since the show first aired.
The death toll in the books was *much higher.* Like in the billions. It basically cut the population of Earth (30 billion at the time of the bombardment) in half. I have no idea why they minimized the number for the show. A rather strange and unnecessary change if you ask me.
The books state that millions die in the initial impact, with billions dying in the weeks and months following. The show just hasn’t reached that part yet.
.... [facepalm] And exactly how different would Muetry's actions have been if the belters had not started with an act of terrorism blowing up the landing pad and killing half the crew? The half of the crew that arguably would have been the steady hand holding Murtry's leash? Yes, the Earth's incorporate interest were coming with the security detail to Engineer a way to evict the belters , but it wouldn't have gone so hard so fast , so bad and so bloody. It would have been an issue of courts and claims and lawyers while each side pursued their interests first. ( Notwithstanding crazy builder planet a I shenanigans )
not that it's an excuse and, you know Ghandi would have done it differently, but the Belters would not have blown up the pad if people from the inner planets hadn't oppressed and abused them for a century
@@MattNolanCustom not an excuse to have your opening gambit in "everybody's new start" be a guarantee for inciting a harsh crackdown. At least make the corpos have to WORK for an excuse instead of serving yourselves up on a platter. Even worse, it was an in house extremist that shot off without any one else's say so, screwing the pooch for everyone before they even have a chance to TRY.
@@nrran6835 Don't remind me; I read all the novels before reading the short works. A particular scene in TW had me in pain and literally gasping for air for a short time.
@@NerdyNightly You'll get just as many viewers with a complete re-watch. An old friend was visiting from Italy this summer, and after we'd finished catching up, we spent a week of afternoons/evenings rewatching The Expanse from the beginning. We'd each already seen it multiple times. Recommended. There are so many details to catch that you don't notice the first few times through.
Your confusion at the start of the episode is warranted... the show hugely downplays the devastation of the asteroid strikes. I'm not really sure why. But yes, it really should have been much more like "1 to 2 billion" and not "million"
Timescale issue, the rocks have just hit. The initial impact causes millions of deaths, as in the books. It takes weeks/months for the death toll to expand to billions.
7:40 I would like to point out that, while all of the main characters are smart for our standards since their environment is different (orbital mechanics for them is the same as us driving a car), they also have some top-notch AI helping out: Alex was literally asking the Razorback to plot the route and the ship displayed it in a way that Alex could understand - if it was Naomi the display would probably be a lot more complex
@@Literallyjustmint No. "I could not click fast enough" expresses regret that one's ability to click wasn't adequate to the task of instantaneously starting the video. "I could have clicked faster" expresses regret that one's attention and willpower were lacking, and the video went unclicked, and starting the video was unnecessarily delayed. :( "I could of" is a phrase that doesn't exist as valid English.
The Expanse is the perfect example of a diverse cast show where no one but the most radical people has a problem with it. Why? Because it fits to the story that is told, it fits the world that is created. And it's not the usual women are perfect at everything while men mess everything up we get in other shows. Thats why i really like the Expanse for what it does. It is true Equality of the sexes. We have strong female characters who are realistic who are paired with strong male characters. Not like in the WoT series for example where the main male character is totally useless without a female character holding his hand (which is not from the books as you well know). This is really what most people want who complain about wokeness in other shows. Is The expanse political? Sure it is. In shows a conflict between 3 factions of humans who have really become different much more than we are currently, because they live in totally different environments and their bodies have adjusted to that. And one of these factions has been abused by the other 2 for centuries.
There are ppl on Facebook who try to say the Expanse isn't political. It's remarkable cognitive dissonance
Well, if you remove all the the racism, military-industrial complex and social subtexts, it's pretty not political
Conservatives are really good for not seeing the points of the media they watch
There are conservatives who think Star Trek is for them too. There's even a forum post on Memory Alpha titled "Leftist Admins here on Memory Alpha" that complains about "pro-LBBGQT support". 🤦
i think when ppl say that they mean preachy political like all the other woke bs we get these days ofc the expanse is political
@@autdelux Except, The expanse has all those "woke bs" concervatives are mad of. There are gay couples (with kids !), polyamorous romances, non white people and women as strong characters and so on
It's like those who complain that Star trek or Doctor who are "gone woke" but these show are woke since the beginning (in the f*ing 60's)
Maybe they meant trying to put forth a political viewpoint like a lot of shows. There is a lot of politicking in the show, but you notice none of the factions are put forth as being clearly righteous to the others? All 3 factions have good, bad, and questionable actors and you really can’t pinpoint to one group.
Just a guess tho
The writers have said that Amos hates "Alpha males" and will never give them any respect. We saw that last season with Murtry as well.
They are probably the types of dude that haunted his childhood in the dark.
9:13 - Konecheck did do it. The next cut has Amos picking up the weapon off the guard and gripping it. Amos knows the weapon is bio-coded so it won't fire. He picks it up to check the ammo count which you can see is zero. The guard had outlived his usefulness and Konecheck was improving his chances.
Tiny is a bad man. Mercy is not in him.
Damn! I've seen this show at least a half dozen times and never caught that.
When Filip tells Naomi that he "saved her life", he's referring to keeping her off the Rocinante. That's WHY he had Naomi taken to the Pella at the start of the series - otherwise she would have gone home, and been on the ship next time the reactor started.
Naomi almost immediately clicks as to the implications for this - and goes STRAIGHT to Cyn - because she knows he can't convincingly lie to her, and she knows she can use his comm if he confirms what is happening. His defeated sigh is enough confirmation - and from there, she doesn't hesitate.
so that attempt to knife her ex was useful after all
Karal also mentioned the Augustin Gamarra code prior to Filip saying he saved her life. She put 2 and 2 together very quickly.
She may have also remembered Cyn saying at the bar, "It was good to see you one last time."
I think it’s wild that the show manages to make Marco Inaros charismatic without ever making him sympathetic or some sort of power fantasy. You understand how he’s gained a following, he is the underdog and punching above his weight, and the show is sympathetic to the plight of the Belters in general, yet Marco still comes across as completely vile.
You know that meme of “Wow, the filmic language of discussing male insecurity happens to look exactly like male power fantasy, I hope no one misinterprets it”? Somehow the show avoided the Tyler Durden/Joker trap
“That’s your problem. You think that because someone’s the underdog, that makes them the good guy.”
It wasn’t just Fred who did that. And it wasn’t just Bull who knew it. Marco knows it too!
just remember that 99.999% of everything you think you know was just some fictional media.
Sakai, during the interrogation, hears that they are going hunting in the Roci. She knows what she did to the ship and resigns herself to death as a ship blowing up in the docks on the station will kill everyone there. Going back and watching Bahia Watson's performance...she did fantastic
There are no small actors on this show. Well, I dunno, Havelock didn’t do it for me.
can't blame holden and fred finding it hard to suspect the one with the squeaky voice 😄
Also, in answer to Nerdy, I'd probably describe her hairstyle as Bantu knots?
The prison went into full lockdown so the panels covering the ladder would failsafe to a locked position to prevent escape.
Yes. That’s what season 4 is important for, is showing that wherever WE go, there WE are. We bring us with us, and all
of our worst beliefs and behaviors come with us. And like you said, even with untold riches at our fingertips, we fought over the first patch of rare dirt we found.
Season 4, REPRESENT !!
Season 4 only seems weak because it's sandwiched between seasons 3 and 5. On it's own it's f'ing _amazing_ tv.
As for the political: I believe you are correct about the Star Wars / American ‘blindness’. I read about some US troops in Afghanistan who said when they arrived they realized the US was the Empire and the locals were the rebels. We Americans like to romantize the ‘scrappy underdog’ and like to believe we represent that ‘side’, but we’ve not been that since the end of the US Civil War (1865). Everyone wants to believe they’re the ‘good guy’ fighting the ‘good fight’, but that cannot always be true. But Bull is right, too, just because someone is the scrappy rebel, it doesn’t mean they’re right.
@@philiparonson8315 no, USAsians don't really care about the underdog. You can easily tell that from the sports. Easy, high scoring games hinder the underdog. Soccer on the otherhand is very underdog friendly....and the USA wanted to make the goals bigger so it was a higher scoring sport
Marco’s ship is called the “Pella”. Marco thinks of himself as an Alexander the Great type.
The “Chetzemoka” is the ship Naomi bought for Filip.
Rounding out the ship roster: the “Zmeya” is the ship that stole the protomolecule from Tycho, the “Dewalt” is Drummer’s flagship, the “Mowteng” is the first ship they salvaged, and the “Tynan” is Ashford’s ship they also recovered.
He sees himself as the Afghan insurgents who brought down empires. As he progresses, he increasingly sees himself as being another Alexander the Great, only greater.
@@eds1942 Knowing Marco is played by Keon Alexander, is pretty fitting that Marco sees himself as Alexander the great
@@aboubenadhem9066Fun fact: "Zmeya" (змея) is Russian for "snake".
It's probably a maintenance ladder for the elevator, even if it is an emergency ladder they wouldn't make it easily accessible since this is a prison.
The pannels's latch might be only reachable from the top so it can be opened only from above by the rescue team going down
That's my thinking too. Though Hollywood has often depicted emergency ladders in elevator shafts, they aren't for emergencies, they're for maintenance.
The locks they shoot out would normally be opened via something like a specially designed allen key
I’ve said this when I first watched this season. Whoever is in the casting department needs to get raises, because They casted the perfect actor who looks both like Marcos & Naomi. ❤
Look, I hate to burst the bubble of the allegedly awesome casting department but, as someone who worked on the show, I have to reveal - and I know this may get me into legal trouble - that Jasai Chase Owens was actually purpose-made by the show itself.
During early research about the regrowth gel, Ty Franck and Naren Shankar accidentally discovered how to create (and fast-grow) human clones from singular or hybridized DNA. So, back in the SyFy seasons, they obtained DNA samples from Keon Alexander (secretly cast years in advance) and Dom Tipper, combined them, and grew Jasai in a laboratory in Southern Scarborough.
With the counter-agent applied, Jasai (aka Sample #W659) can now live a full and normal life. I just had to finally reveal that!
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* Bring it, Alcon! The public deserved the truth!
Even Dominique Tipper was surprised when she first met him saying something along the lines of "how are you not my son?"
@@AngeloBarovierSD 🤣 Always great to see you in the comments, Angelo. This is the sort of behind-the-scenes stuff the world needs to know about!
"The Expanse" is one of the best shows I've ever seen at creating amazing one-off characters that appear in one or two episodes. Tiny is another memorable character.
Best supplex in science fiction 😮
My favorite Amos moment.
That guy is more classic, but this is my favorite.
I agree with Nerdy's statement that getting too close to reality with a message is less effective. I'm reminded of an episode of Star Trek: Enterprise where T'Pol gets brain AIDS from having unprotected mind melds with random Vulcans (which is just stupid, because Spock mind melded with everything he could get a hand on, a murderer, a rock, a space probe that gained sentience, etc.).
Also: Uhmos.
Chetzemoka was an Native-American chief who resided in the city which became Port Townsend, Washington. There is a also a passenger ferry by that name as well, which services areas of Washington State.
If you think back to when the Roci was chasing Eros, Holden and Amos were breathing hard, but Naomi's nose was already bleeding. Living at full Earth gravity is much better than microgravity when it comes to acceleration tolerance.
As a theory, the different panels for the ladder could probably be opened remotely from topside, but also only up to the point where they would need them open (for maintenance work and the like).
11:18 For a split second or two as Naomi enters the flight deck of the Pella (Marco's ship) you see surveillance footage and data of the Rocinante still docked at Tycho Station on the screens in the background.
Somthing ty ( one of the writers ) said in an interview on ty and thay guy when descusing exactly what you said about the politics is, the show and sci-fi in general gives permission for people to to examine and critically think about the parallels between the fiction and real life without otherising people or forcing sides to be taken
I will post the ep number if you want to check it out
Ty & That Guy - The Expanse Aftershow S6E5 w/ Cara Gee & Shohreh Aghdashloo
The beauty of this shows writing is it makes it easy to empathize with any of the 3 groups. It's not cut and dry at the roots.
I am conflicted about that message the show presented to us at the beginning of the series about the solar system having three political factions. That was massive misdirection meant to hide what were the actually the facts and enhance the mystery regarding who nuked the Cant and assualted the Donager.
There are no "three groups", because each supposed "group" has dozens if not hundreds of splinter groups or factions. With the opening of the Ring Gates, the one society that perhaps looked monolithic, the MCR, quickly fell apart into multiple factions. The "Earth vs. Mars vs. The Belt" conflict was never a proper way to analyze The Expanse.
@@Yesquire0 that's why I said it's no so cut and dry.
When you guys have finished the show, you should check out the Ty and That Guy podcast. It's Ty Franck (one of the writers) and Wes Chatham. The guy who plays Tiny was a guest on their show and he's hilarious!
"Naomi is in a *BAD* place...!!" hahha! hahahhahahhah! haha! And again I say, "ha!"
Season 4 has an example to be followed…
it's not even the worst she'll deal with...
Ha
This is a major reveal/spoiler, as is every comment after it.
(A spoiler doesn't have to be specific, but at the very least you've just revealed how much worse things will get for her.)
@@W0NK042 That's a stretch. Especially considering that they did these reactions months ago.
I'm grateful that Nerdy is paying attention to the complexities of this show. I think that a person like Marcos was bound to appear after the CENTURIES of torture and basically slavery that the Belters have endured by the hands of the Inners. Don't forget that the Inners were killing BELTER CHILDREN (remember the ship they had Fred blow up with no problem?). Or how the Inners used Ganymede as a testing ground for the Protomolecule, killing Belters and destroying their home in the process. Or how the Inners used the Belt to haul ice and water but Belters didn't have access to clean water themselves. The show has shown -- time and time again -- that the Inners don't see Belters as human and treat them like trash and will kill them if they dare to go against them. They also block the Belters from obtaining freedom by claiming new land as we saw in Season 4. When you are being suffocated everywhere you turn, you are BOUND to fight back. Period. If someone is stepping on your neck, are you not gonna scour to find something to stab them in the foot? I fully believe that you cannot judge people for how they respond to their oppression, especially when it's centuries long. So, I don't agree with calling the older white man a bad person. He's a complex person. One thing The Expanse has shown us is that good and bad are not easy descriptors to put on people. And, to say that they were "manipulated" into this cause makes it seem like the Belters on Marcos' side are not thinking clearly and to be honest, I think they've all thought deeply about it, weighed the pros and cons and decided to go for it because nothing was getting better for them. (P.S. - I often feel like Clarus generalizes some more complex characters and plot points and doesn't think as critically as I would like for her to, which is interesting because she's a woman, but I digress.....).
I love the Belter Identity as an idea. They are figuring out what defines them in a world that is rapidly changing. They are a young nation and kind of transitional since after they settle on a planet they lose what made them different from their oppressors. Now Marko lid the system on fire and no one has their old identity to fall back on. It's beautiful worldbuilding
I would think the emergency hatch could only be activated from the top, you wouldn't want prisoners to have access to it from the bottom. It could be at the top a guard would push something spring those panels open for the lower guards.
And that is why Filip took Naomi. He knew that if he didn't she would go back to the Roci which was a death sentence.
I would not allow THAT woman alone on a ship. …… 😊 I love this show.
1:13 Yeah, the first rock hit off shore, so mainly a tsunami and coastal blast damage.
You're not wrong on the general observation of mindsets but two things - 1) Marco's plan started before anyone knew about what happened on Ilus and 2) The Belters on Ilus fired first, which is what left Murtry in charge in the first place. (And he was the absolute worst person to have ended up in charge).
To be fair, Nerdy said that Ilus just cemented in Belter minds that nothing would change
@@MattNolanCustom Oh totally, it could be the last straw for *other belters* to be on board with Marcos, but it wasn't what triggered Marcos himself.
Apart from the writing, the greatest strength of this show is the amazing performances they get from actors playing parts that may only last one or two episodes... They really bring out the best in all their actors, and it shows; every episode is memorable for the small characters in it.
"Fuck you god! You missed again!" LOLOLOllol!! XD Konecek is a fun one-off character for a single episode! He is a psycho, murderous bastard though. :P
Also, Naomi is currently on the "Pella", Marco's flagship. Just so you know, "Pella" was the name of the city that Alexander the Great was born in, so that should give you some idea about how Marco Inaros sees himself.
Bad guys almost never see themselves as bad guys, they almost always have a justification for their actions, if only in their own mind. To me, one of the strengths of The Expanse is that we hear those justifications.
"Initial ESTIMATES." Wait until the actual confirmed counts come in.
Also, wasn't that just the initial estimates for the _immediate_ death toll rather than the death toll from the famine resulting from global cooling?
With communications and civil organizations broken, those initial estimates will be significantly smaller than the numbers when more reports roll in.
That was an odd reaction by Nerdy, because just last week he was freaking out (quite rightly) about the delayed death toll from loss of power, clean water, food distribution, etc. Plus the eventual years long disruption to the environment.
It doesn't matter what you are fighting for, the second you turn to murder you have lost the right to be taken serious and need to go down.
Also remember with Season 4, it started with the Belters murdering the guy in charge, to give Murtry the power he had to begin with.
Who murdered whom first? Let's not forget the Ganymede refugees are refugees because Earth and Mars destroyed their home and killed many of them. Not to mention Eros, Anderson Station, and many other cases. Are human beings supposed to forget those things happen and, without the slightest bit of remorse or repentance from Earth or Mars, should they pretend all is well until the next time?
@@kirkdarling4120 Of course not, but killing people is always the wrong way, no matter the cause.
I expect the ladder is there to give maintenance access and, under normal circumstances, building maintenance crews would've had some kind of specialist tool for opening the coverings
Small point that will help you understand the next episode better (but it's NOT a spoiler): The Razorback (aka the Raging Fire Hawk) is an *extremely* valuable ship, the equivalent of a top line Bugatti sports car or even more...
It's not a sport ship, it's a race ship, more like a space formula one
@@axlm.808 My point was that it's worth a LOT of cash...
@@benjaminodonnell258 Yes, but we are more in the "unique piece of engineering made for pure speed" territory than "fancy and fast small production vehicle"
It's not a Bugatti Chiron, it's a "street legal" Red Bull Racing RB19
Fun fact: The term "bimbo" in the early 1900s originally referred to a _man_ who was handsome but useless. The term came to mean a pretty but useless woman about mid-20th century.
Another fan likened Marco's old companion Cyn to a psychologically abused housewife, which I think is accurate.
While Murtry was the "big bad" proving that Earth was an unreliable ally, the worst point to me was shown by Nancy Gao. She had also displayed a broad disregard of Belter life, and she should have represented the best of Earth.
The Expanse checks all the "woke" boxes, except that it empowers women without de-powering men. Everyone gets to be empowered, everyone gets to be a hero, everyone gets to be a villain....which makes The Expans actually rather traditional in science fiction.
Edit: Change "woke" to "DEI." The Expanse practices DEI to a great extent and in a positive, organic way, but on second thought, it's not "woke" because it's not doing DEI as an ideological message.
Interesting.
I also noticed that The Expanse has included the "you vill eat zee bugs!" cricket meal meme. Not sure if it's supposed to be advocacy, or a warning.
@@y00t00b3r Neither
People who use the term "woke" unironically are telling on themselves.
Interesting. What were the points where Gao displayed a broad disregard of Belter life? I don't recall picking up on that.
When did Gao show disregard for Belters?
The actor who plays "Tiny" is quite a character himself. He's on a couple episodes of the Ty and That Guy podcast. He's a big funny goofball.
It is Naomi's code, I think. The same that Marco used to blow up the ship on Luna, a story that Naomi told Lucia. That's what helped her figure it out.
Marco’s ship is the Pella, which appears to be a frigate.
The big old guy with them is Cyn.
Never really appreciated how awesome that editing was in that rooftop fight scene. Tiny threw that one guy he had by the neck off like a rag doll . And then Amos going all out on Tiny's face and then backflips him. They really sold it. I wonder if Adam Savage supplied the dummies, hehe.
That wasn't a roof, that was the ground floor. The building is gone.
"Rude! Fucking rude!"
Classic Expanse, and I love you guys for loving it so much with us!
I realize commenting is kinda pointless since you watched this months ago, but Clarissa's mod is just additional sacks of adrenaline that fill over time and then can be released into her bloodstream when she triggers it with her tongue. There are documented examples of people performing superhuman feats of strength in crisis situations, so that is the idea behind it.
Both the blast yield estimates and the fatality estimates in the show are out of step with the explosions as depicted on screen and just what you would expect from an asteroid of that size hitting the areas that they hit. I think these are either script errors or downplaying the severity of the strikes for some inscrutable producer-related reason. In the books the casualties are far higher.
They're early estimates based on inaccurate readings of mass / composition due to the stealth coating
10:40 They will be, when the ship is on the float. Since there alos wouldn't be regular food available, it'd all be tubes of paste.
My favourite words in intros are "penultimate" and "without further ado"
'Naomi is suffering," hold that thought.
I commend you on your serious take on this content. I don't see it as "woke" though it does intelligently deal with gender, race, culture, religion, and other differences. My opinion has not changed since the show first aired.
The death toll in the books was *much higher.* Like in the billions. It basically cut the population of Earth (30 billion at the time of the bombardment) in half. I have no idea why they minimized the number for the show. A rather strange and unnecessary change if you ask me.
The books state that millions die in the initial impact, with billions dying in the weeks and months following. The show just hasn’t reached that part yet.
only been 3 days and might finish series tonight XD ... you all react like me so makes it much better to watch
The politics of the show is why they compare it to ‘Game of Thrones’ meets ‘Battlestar Galactica’.
Clarus is right, Elon just posted about installing the first Neuralink brain implant recently
Dunno if you guys had watched the first ep of "Blue Eye Samuri" when you watched this, but... "Peaches"
My mind did not need to go there.
Marko Inaros' command ship is the Pella, named for Alexander the Great's capital.
And his son is names after Alexander the Great's father.
I wonder if Nerdy does musical improv cos I reckon he’d love it
.... [facepalm] And exactly how different would Muetry's actions have been if the belters had not started with an act of terrorism blowing up the landing pad and killing half the crew? The half of the crew that arguably would have been the steady hand holding Murtry's leash?
Yes, the Earth's incorporate interest were coming with the security detail to Engineer a way to evict the belters , but it wouldn't have gone so hard so fast , so bad and so bloody. It would have been an issue of courts and claims and lawyers while each side pursued their interests first.
( Notwithstanding crazy builder planet a I shenanigans )
not that it's an excuse and, you know Ghandi would have done it differently, but the Belters would not have blown up the pad if people from the inner planets hadn't oppressed and abused them for a century
@@MattNolanCustom not an excuse to have your opening gambit in "everybody's new start" be a guarantee for inciting a harsh crackdown.
At least make the corpos have to WORK for an excuse instead of serving yourselves up on a platter. Even worse, it was an in house extremist that shot off without any one else's say so, screwing the pooch for everyone before they even have a chance to TRY.
This season/book is when Naomi Nagata becomes the Baddest Bitch in the Universe. Easily one of my favorite characters in all of fiction.
The direct death counts from the meteor impacts are severely diluted from the books.
Love the reactions! Such a joy to watch them and hearing your thoughts about the show. 👌❤
Penultimate season hype!
I'm gonna be so sad when you finish Expanse.
Us tooooooooooooooo
@@NerdyNightlyNah that just means you still have 3 books, which are the highlight of the story IMO. Book 8 especially.
@@nrran6835 Don't remind me; I read all the novels before reading the short works. A particular scene in TW had me in pain and literally gasping for air for a short time.
@@pssthpok I'm a 1/3 the way through TW rn 😬
@@NerdyNightly You'll get just as many viewers with a complete re-watch. An old friend was visiting from Italy this summer, and after we'd finished catching up, we spent a week of afternoons/evenings rewatching The Expanse from the beginning. We'd each already seen it multiple times. Recommended. There are so many details to catch that you don't notice the first few times through.
knife holder magnetic? Marcos' ship is the Pela.
It would certainly be relatively simple to have all kitchen receptacles automatically (electro) magnetise when the ship is doing manoevres.
The death count in the show is orders of magnitude lower than in the books.
7:38 That joke got me like 💀💀💀
10:13 that laugh!
Potential spoilers:
Oh, boy! Naomi is in a bad place you said...
7:43 😬
13:02 I love that reaction 🤣
Cyn is a great guy and he loves Naomi. Karral hates Naomi because Marko still loves her.
If you have finished the series by now then you have met the final boss of the books.
Your confusion at the start of the episode is warranted... the show hugely downplays the devastation of the asteroid strikes. I'm not really sure why. But yes, it really should have been much more like "1 to 2 billion" and not "million"
Timescale issue, the rocks have just hit. The initial impact causes millions of deaths, as in the books. It takes weeks/months for the death toll to expand to billions.
Also, propaganda number.
Minimizing the impact and success of the strike to avoid panic if nothing else.
Marco Inaros and Murtry are pretty much the same monstrous sort of person. Inaros' rationalizations for what he does just sounds more sympathetic.
Murtry never planned to murder billions of people Inaros did.
Great reaction! Looking forward to the next one!
7:40 I would like to point out that, while all of the main characters are smart for our standards since their environment is different (orbital mechanics for them is the same as us driving a car), they also have some top-notch AI helping out: Alex was literally asking the Razorback to plot the route and the ship displayed it in a way that Alex could understand - if it was Naomi the display would probably be a lot more complex
Good point, but the like-driving-a-car analogy still makes them geniuses, if you consider how many godawful drivers we have :P
16:21 unpleasant foreshadowing…
Oh boy
Clarissa has touch sensitive control panel as part of the roof of her mouth.
Almost forgot to offer a comment to the algorithm goddess.... Peaches 🍑
Couldn’t click fast enough…
I could of
@@Literallyjustmint No. "I could not click fast enough" expresses regret that one's ability to click wasn't adequate to the task of instantaneously starting the video.
"I could have clicked faster" expresses regret that one's attention and willpower were lacking, and the video went unclicked, and starting the video was unnecessarily delayed. :(
"I could of" is a phrase that doesn't exist as valid English.
@@y00t00b3r I could of course be wrong ;-)
@@MattNolanCustom that isn't a phrase, that just a sequence of words
@@y00t00b3r joke ...whoosh...
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The Expanse is the perfect example of a diverse cast show where no one but the most radical people has a problem with it. Why? Because it fits to the story that is told, it fits the world that is created. And it's not the usual women are perfect at everything while men mess everything up we get in other shows. Thats why i really like the Expanse for what it does. It is true Equality of the sexes. We have strong female characters who are realistic who are paired with strong male characters. Not like in the WoT series for example where the main male character is totally useless without a female character holding his hand (which is not from the books as you well know). This is really what most people want who complain about wokeness in other shows.
Is The expanse political? Sure it is. In shows a conflict between 3 factions of humans who have really become different much more than we are currently, because they live in totally different environments and their bodies have adjusted to that. And one of these factions has been abused by the other 2 for centuries.
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Lol, i´ve seen (specifically on this season) people call Naomi a Mary Sue AND an incompetent and stupid damsell in distress. Go figure!
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