"You haven't felt the price of it yet, but someday, you will. And you will realize what he's done to you." Naomi's words to Filip in ep 6 of last season.
At the end of season 5 the fleet that broke away from Mars was going through the ring to Laconia. All of the other ships made it except for the Barkeith. FYI, the scenes of Laconia this season were a last minute additions by the show runner, who felt that they needed to show something from Laconia as they had set it up at the end of last season and with no new season's being planned. Anothe FYI, the name of the Dr that you are looking for is Cortázar.
I don't think this was a last minute addition, where did you get that from? Actually, they built a whole big indoor set in a sound stage for the Laconia forrest, with 200 real trees, which took them thousands of hours of work to build. You don't do things like this last-minute. They also included the whole novella almost literally, no other novellas is covered that close to the source.
@madux42 It was mentioned on the podcast Ty & That Guy, with Ty Frank and Wes Chatham. On the breakdown of this episode, Ty talks about how the show runner decided to add the Laconia scenes last minute.
@@scottlescard6154 I'm pretty sure you misinterpreted what they were talking about. I listened to all the podcast eps dealing with the show and don't remember that - more of a discussion about whether they should include Strange Dogs in the final season or not when they were still in the writing phase. Once production got going they devoted an enormous soundstage to build out the sets for Laconia, including painstakingly building the trees out of felled logs and real branches, all so they wouldn't violate labor/workplace safety rules by exposing child actors to Canadian winter for long shooting days outdoors. There are videos of the process, it clearly took a lot of planning and man hours, as much as building out any new spaceship interior, if not more. It was pretty far from last minute.
10:20 she hit the wrong button putting the system into a test. Drummer then blew up the ship they were scavenging; to use the explosion to take out the bounty hunters. They were trying to take both ships for parts, weapons, and supplies.
If you remember the are only 6 episodes in this current last season, the story cant be over complex, Nerdy is correct about the Mars breakaway force and where they went. *You Are Missing Content*. The are 5 x 5mins of Extra content Linked to the first Five Episodes of Season 6. This hidden bonus content called *One Ship* is found on Prime video accessible under the X-Ray drop down menu. They are not essential. “They’re small little character moments that add some depth to flesh out the mainline story ...not critical, but could make the story a little richer and deeper.” The bonus content is not available on TVs and can only be viewed on phones, tablets, or laptops.
The show will explain it more but all of the rogue Martians went to Laconia. Marco and the belters have control of the rest of the ring gates including the Earth gate. There was a line of dialogue talking about getting materials FROM Laconia not sending more to it.
I feel like you guys need to watch the last 5 minutes of season 5 episode 10 again. It's explicitly stated in that scene that the Martian ships are going through the Laconia ring.
Cortázar! Cortázar! Cortázar! The whole point of grabbing the protomolecule sample was because they had use for it, because they had Cortázar. The protomolecule useless is without Cortázar! How does Marco buy himself a Navy? He buys it from the Martians by trading Cortázar and the protomolecule for a fleet of ships. That was the whole reveal at the end of season 5. The (breakaway) Martian activity is all on Laconia.
The final three books take place 30 years later, so they technically stand on their own, but the groundwork to establish that story is all over this season.
Yes, the Martians went to Laconia. Duarte is the leader of the Martian Separatists. Wave 1 were with Cortazar and he messaged saying the "sample" has arrived. Wave 2 were the group that attacked the Sol Ring.
I was a teen in the '60's. Underage kids, way back then, were having sex orgy parties if someone's parents were dumb enough to go away for the weekend and leave their precoscious 16-yr. old kid alone and in charge of their home. And I'm talking about suburban Detroit, not wild California. In general, cops care little if underage kids are sexing up other underage kids. It's only when an adult violates statutory rape laws that they seem to get interested in a prosecution. It might be alarming to you, but it not at all uncommon for 16-yr olds to be sexually active. I think the maxim "if you play with fire, you might get burned" applies big time, but it happens, anyway.
Great reaction! Steven Straight ( Holden ) lost a lot of weight for this season to show the physical stress on his character. Interesting editing, I do like how the writers used Alex's death to set to tone of the Rocinante crew, and not just over look his absence! Are you going to react to the Xray episodes?
18:32 don’t worry, the show will explain. In the meantime: yes, that MCRN ship (Barkeith) was going to Laconia, you’re right about that. And yes, something happened to it. Also, I know what you mean when you say “small ring” and “big ring’’ but really they’re all the same size; the Solar System isn’t special, it doesn’t get a bigger ring than the others. And in terms of speculation, it’s true that Marco and co have some long term worries, such as food. The show will talk more about that too
Yup, Filip is 16. But since when is U.S. underage, global underage? This is the future, he's a belter. Where does it state that age of consent is 18 in the Belt? Globally currently the most common age range for age of consent is 14-16. So this wasn't an underage sex-scene. ;)
Fun fact: IRL Laconia was another name for Sparta in Ancient Greece. It's where we get the phrases "laconic humor" and "laconic wit". When an aggressor (Philip II of Macedon) threatened them with "If I invade Laconia, I shall turn you out", they responded "if".
Phillip II of Macedon was Alexander the Great's father. Who in this show thought of himself as being like Alexander the Great and named his son Filip and his flagship after the capital of Macedon? Sparta was the capitol of Laconia.
The opening sequence is from the novella "Strange Dogs" and takes place on Laconia. Something that most people seem to miss is when Inaros and Rutledge are leaving the Pella's CNC and they are talking about Medina Station needing more titanium for abutments for something that they have received from Laconia.
Also Wes Chatham’s TYandThatGuy podcast (available here on TH-cam) did aftershows for all the S6 episodes (and deep dives into every episode of the series).
Did you notice how the Roci crew are not fighting with their helmets on, like Drummer's crew were? They are so tired that they are no longer even worried about getting hit by weapons fire and losing atmosphere while they are fighting.
Marco and Rosenfeld were talking about sending supplies to Medina, aka the Behemoth,.. which he approved. Earlier in the episode he disregarded concerns about supply issues on Ceres, which in his speech he declared as the new capital of the Belt. Marco deserves nobody’s pity.
When Sauveterre (on the Barkeith) was talking to Cortazar (on Laconia) at the end of Season 5, Cortazar had already received the protomolecule-the Barkeith was headed to Laconia, but it didn’t have the protomolecule on board.
this show aside, imagine someone like marco inaros beinig real and sling shotting rocks at earth, fuck an alien invasion, other people waging war in space is much more terrifying
Cortazar is the name of scientist. Duarte has acquired him and made him the top researcher of the protomolecule in his new Laconian Empire. Also, Marco has been continually throwing rocks at Earth since the last season, which has tied down Earth's defenses and made it impossible for them to focus on anything else. That's the thing about living in the belt, you basically have an unlimited supply of rocks.
The opening planet, Laconia, is where all of the Martian defectors went, including the last Proto-molecule sample and the scientist Cortazar. And they brought enough Earth soil for their needs before they sealed off access to the Laconia Ring. Like Ilus, aka New Terra, the planet Laconia has substantial Builder tech, and it supports life, but Laconia has a few extra layers of Builder tech goodies and its ecosystem is thriving,.. and that Proto-molecule sample activated it all. Ilus was basically a small industrial outpost in a third world country in comparison to Laconia which was probably going to be a fully developed colony awaiting the Builders to settle. Admiral Duarte and his defectors hit the jackpot.
Mars used to be based entirely around the terraforming project. The MCRN saw their goal as much about keeping materials flowing from the Belt to Mars in support of that goal as it was to keep Earth at bay. Being able to walk around on the surface of Mars, 'tackle out' was the goal, and it was going to take generations of effort. But the Ring Gates opened, and suddenly instead of leaving a dome and breathing free air being something your grandkid's grandkid's probably wouldn't live to see, it was maybe 2 years on a colony transport away, if you could get a place. So basically if Mars was a coal mining town, the Ring Gates are like someone not just dropping plans for, but demonstrating a working fusion reactor, making the produce of the mine basically worthless.
Keep in mind that Earth, Mars and The Belt are not momolithic blocks in this show. The Martians who settled on Laconia are not "Mars" in general, they are just one faction of Martians who basically defected from the Mars Congressional Republic (after illegally selling weapons to Inaros).
It was the Laconia ring. They were heading there. Mars went to Laconia to start a new society, and yes, the protomolecule was taken there for them because "they know something we don't" that only exists in Laconia. Cortazar is there. Medina is controlled by Marco's Free Navy and they are sending supplies there as part of something that they are doing in the ring space with Laconia's help. Not every ship that goes through a ring gets eaten but some do. We don't know why yet. Plot point for later.
The MCRN ship was going to Laconia, the base of the breakaway Mars faction and the location of the protomolecule scientist. The ship didn't make a successful transit at the Laconia Gate.
A sizable fraction of the Martian Armed Forces defected and founded the Laconian faction, not all of tham. You will be seeing more of what left of the Loyalist Martians fighting alongside the UN later on. You might even recognised some character that they brought back from previous seasons, WINK, WINK.
nedy is right, the martians wanted the protomolecule and cortezar (the scientist),the belters had both. they traded both for martian ships,thats why the free navy has so many martian ships.
Remember earlier in production when the books were ending at the mid-season point? That's sort of the cadence they returned to so it's not that season 6 is shorter its that they didn't adapt the first half of the next book. If that makes sense.
The irony about Michio Pa not quite fitting in is...she's basically Drummer in the books. All the stuff Drummer has done was Michio in the books. In book 3 Bull was originally going to be the XO on the Behemoth, but was replaced with Pa (by Fred Johnson) to have belters running the ship (politics, since Bull's an Earther). Ashford's actually the CO and eventually Bull convinces Michio to mutiny. He sacrifices himself to stop a belter in stolen power armor, but gives Michio and Holden time to get to Ashford. It's implied in the book that he had a TBI that made him go a bit crazy, and "off screen" stroked out. Drummer is basically just the chief of security, but we don't even learn her first name 'til book 7, 30 years after the events of book (and season) 6. Philip's basically suffering from PTSD at this point. He hasn't quite realized what his father is underneath. Or what it's doing to him. I liked the way in the tv show they even showed, "Rocinante joins the fight!" because it's such an iconic ship, famous for diving into the fray and coming out surprisingly well. Since it won't impact the remainder of the season, Admiral Duarte is the head guy that organized taking over Laconia. He had himself in charge of a project to investigate planets, and when he found a suitable one planned to do what we see in the show. He had the protomolecule and Dr Cortazar taken by Marco and traded for ships and weapons (so a lot of the stuff Marco uses actually came from Mars). The Laconian part really doesn't matter 'til book 7. That section of the show will definitely leave you with more questions than answers. I don't think Holden knew about the Barkeith itself, but Naomi was one of the first to discover the effects of "going Dutchman" and figured out how to figure out when it might happen. As far as the crew there wasn't nearly as much tension in the books as the TV show does. I'm not quite sure why the added all that in, to be honest. 5 more episodes of Sol vs Free Navy war to enjoy.
Fillip Inaros iturned 16 in Nemesis Games (book). And if you are from Canada yourself (guessing by your PO box), then 16 is legal right now, but until recently it was 14 for your own country mate !
Nerdy is correct all the martians were going through the one gate to at the end of last season. They were taking the protomolecule for that big machine the scientist was working on.
Something i don't think anyone fully considered during these parts of the expanse, but there is going to be a ton of extra debris floating around the solar system afterwards lol...
Great reaction Yes the Martians were going to Laconia and the ring ate them. Nothing else has been said about it in the show yet (other than Holden bringing it up to Amos in this episode)
21:25 The Martian defectors went to Laconia with the protomolecule that Marco used as payment for their material support. Lt. Babbage was on route to Laconia gate when the black stuff erased the ship. The gate is still open.
As far as where we find the Roci crew (on Day 187), it always reminded me of a particular quote from _Babylon 5_ (a favourite show of this shows’ writers), where an enigmatic character opines: "Being a freedom fighter, a force for good, it's a wonderful thing. Get to make your own hours, looks good on a résumé. But the pay … sucks."
The first segment of each episode is of the Ring planet Laconia. This is the incorporation of the Strange Dogs novella into the series to let us know what Cortazar and the character whose name you were shown, but you didn't notice it, Admiral Duarte are doing. Notice that the little girl Cara knew the names of all the creatures she saw except the "strange dog." The producers said that they built the Laconia set so huge and defined that people got lost within it. The Laconia set probably cost at least one episode. They told us at the close of last season that both the Protomolecule sample and Cortazar were on Laconia. Furthermore, they told and showed us that Cortazar had the sample on an orbiting Protomolecule space platform and was seeing "excellent results." With Marco in control of interplanetary space, there isn't any more colonization by Earth or Mars going on. Whatever colonies Nancy Gao was able to start, those people are trapped where they are, and Marco isn't interested in starting any new Belter colonies beyond Illus. They're going to say more about food. No reason why Belters should have the same considerations of sexual activity and age that we do. They age faster and die earlier than we do in the West even today. As you know, Cara Gee and Keon Alexander are good friends. While this season aired, they sh*tposted each other in character on Twitter. It was hilarious. One of the subjects of their back-and-forth was how gaunt Holden was looking. Are you aware of the X-Ray 5-minute featurettes? You have to watch through a web device (computer or phone). Pause the video, go into the X-Ray then the Bonus Content. Although the featurettes are not essential, they are fun...and I think the first one is very significant to know more about Drummer.
The Mars ship was going to Laconia. And you're also right about the belterd going through multiple rings to different places. The black stuff only happens sometimes.
Most points are already mentioned in the comments. I think Nerdy mixed up Alex' family with Isai's family who went through the rings. Nice reaction. I am looking forward to see how they feel about if the show stuck the landing when the season is over. Oh, and for a palet cleanser ... might I recommend Ted Lasso? 😁
I've always said, touch screens, especially in space make 0 sense. If you have a manual button to fire something, you can keep your finger literally on it, and then press it when you need to! first time I saw that scene I was like, YES! Thank you Expanse for proving my point! 😂
I know you're already further in than this point, but for anyone confused, the people who got ate by the ring were in fact going to Laconia. However, it was explained earlier that some ships (maybe 1 in a hundred or even a thousand) were going missing. Also, and I can't remember if they explained this as well in the show as they did in the books, but it happened more often when multiple ships went through at the same time.
Marco has the inner planets scrambling for survival and defense. The edges of the solar system are unguarded and dominated by the belter pirates. You’ll get more info as to why and how it’s important in the other episodes.
Great review as always! Its ok to be confused, taking a great book and only having 6 episodes is high crime! I blame Bezos! Still better than every SciFi I have seen, enjoy the ride and I recommend the books.
Remember when the scientist on Laconia said something like, “We’re not sure why but the machines woke up when the protomolocule arrived.” in the final episode? There would still be lots of low level workers and techs still on the Behemoth who are not loyal to Marcos. Speaking of My Little Pony, I’m on the Star Trek Cruise with lots of the cast. John DeLancey is the voice of Discord on MLP.
Watch the mini episodes too, could even do a separate reaction for them. Without those episodes this season can feel rushed without the down time that the show normally has.
The ship that got taken by the ring destroyers was going through the Sol gate. Everyone is trying to go to their own system because humanity can't share.
Enjoy the hell out of the last season. When you've coompleted The Expanse, any other series will hold your attention to the same degree as watching a TV test pattern.
Hello Screamin' Firehawks. I'm re-watching The Expanse on Blu-Ray and I started my re-watch for S6 today. I'm glad Expanse got to S6, (I know it had the books to follow) because Firefly deserved more than just 1 season & I think Star Trek & Star Wars are unwatchable now
I agree on Firefly, disagree on Star Wars, and haven't had the energy to deal with Star Trek in a while, lost interest in Discovery after season 2, now I don't even know where I'd catch it anymore, the distribution rights are messy sometimes. The "Mandoverse" has been great and apart from some parts of Ahsoka, I've enjoyed it very much.
Bounce off? How? Once they hit atmosphere they’ll start encountering a lot of drag and slow down - they can still be fast enough to go out the other side which is very unlikely because the atmosphere is relatively thin, it’d be like hitting one of the rings on a dartboard. Rocks aren’t going to produce meaningful amounts of lift that would make them skip on the atmosphere, silbervogel style, and even the silbervogel would eventually succumb to drag and gravity without propulsion.
@@Justanotherconsumerit’s based on angle and speed. Air reacts like a fluid at higher speeds. If you don’t hit it at the right angle; the rocks will skip off like a stone on a pond. Too direct and the rocks will explode from the excessive heat and drag.
@@crtmojo2705it is often called skipping, but in reality it is just clipping through the top of the *curved* atmosphere and coming out the other side on a slightly altered orbit having been slowed down a little, but not enough to fall to Earth. The pond analogy is flawed, but easier to understand
You know people have sex with 16 right? Interresting how this makes you uncomfortable, but when he kills someone little later you were just laughing...
Please tell me you know about the X-Ray bonus content?? Each one is meant to be watched right after each of the first 5 episodes... You're denying youself the optimal experience of season 6. 😕
The Laconia plot is imo the weakest of the entire series because there are so many implausible things in there, also factors contradict each other (you need many people for a viable colony, the more people you have the more implausible a secret cabal becomes and how did all the crews and people get convinced to go somewhere in secret), if Duarte had exclusive access to that probe, why did none send their own probe to chart that solar system, if he did not why had that data not spread to many research groups before he even got that data? Also: These guys are supporters of the greatest genocide of human history and they have stole tons of military ships, why the fuck would anyone leave them alone? In all cases none of this should work
There were colonists there before Duarte and his military arrived. It's not that overt in the TV adaptation of "Strange Dogs" but it is indicated in an episode or two's time. An answer to your other point comes a few episodes later.
It’s also super easy to handwave. Medina’s takeover happened just prior to the Barkeith’s demise. Any number of cameras could have been operable, and any number of entities or factions may have originally had the footage before it made its way to Holden’s sources (and those entities were neutralized).
I’ll be honest, season 6 was a step down for me from season 5. Lots of great stuff, still, but the strange dogs don’t do it for me. The really great thing about this show at first is how /alien/ the aliens are. Then we have quadrupedal and look like weird versions of earth animals and it’s just kind of rubber foreheads all over again. Not the only aliens, but… some of them.
They asked for 10 episodes to tell the story they wanted to, and said they could've done it in eight episodes. They only got six, so they had to jam a bunch of stuff in, and sometimes things feel a bit disjointed, yeah.
"You haven't felt the price of it yet, but someday, you will. And you will realize what he's done to you." Naomi's words to Filip in ep 6 of last season.
XRAY BONUS CONTENT for each of the episodes
This! Great mini episodes. One was written by Wes Chatham if I remember right.
Nerdy wanted a palate cleanser, and that's what two of the X-rays extra content are. But most may still leave him needing some My Little Pony.
At the end of season 5 the fleet that broke away from Mars was going through the ring to Laconia. All of the other ships made it except for the Barkeith. FYI, the scenes of Laconia this season were a last minute additions by the show runner, who felt that they needed to show something from Laconia as they had set it up at the end of last season and with no new season's being planned.
Anothe FYI, the name of the Dr that you are looking for is Cortázar.
Cortázar! Cortázar! Cortázar!
I don't think this was a last minute addition, where did you get that from?
Actually, they built a whole big indoor set in a sound stage for the Laconia forrest, with 200 real trees, which took them thousands of hours of work to build. You don't do things like this last-minute. They also included the whole novella almost literally, no other novellas is covered that close to the source.
@madux42 It was mentioned on the podcast Ty & That Guy, with Ty Frank and Wes Chatham. On the breakdown of this episode, Ty talks about how the show runner decided to add the Laconia scenes last minute.
@@scottlescard6154 I'm pretty sure you misinterpreted what they were talking about. I listened to all the podcast eps dealing with the show and don't remember that - more of a discussion about whether they should include Strange Dogs in the final season or not when they were still in the writing phase.
Once production got going they devoted an enormous soundstage to build out the sets for Laconia, including painstakingly building the trees out of felled logs and real branches, all so they wouldn't violate labor/workplace safety rules by exposing child actors to Canadian winter for long shooting days outdoors. There are videos of the process, it clearly took a lot of planning and man hours, as much as building out any new spaceship interior, if not more. It was pretty far from last minute.
@Brendissimo1 By last minute they meant in the writing of the season. Not the production.
10:20 she hit the wrong button putting the system into a test. Drummer then blew up the ship they were scavenging; to use the explosion to take out the bounty hunters.
They were trying to take both ships for parts, weapons, and supplies.
The test also put out a signal.
If you remember the are only 6 episodes in this current last season, the story cant be over complex, Nerdy is correct about the Mars breakaway force and where they went.
*You Are Missing Content*. The are 5 x 5mins of Extra content Linked to the first Five Episodes of Season 6.
This hidden bonus content called *One Ship* is found on Prime video accessible under the X-Ray drop down menu.
They are not essential. “They’re small little character moments that add some depth to flesh out the mainline story ...not critical, but could make the story a little richer and deeper.” The bonus content is not available on TVs and can only be viewed on phones, tablets, or laptops.
The show will explain it more but all of the rogue Martians went to Laconia. Marco and the belters have control of the rest of the ring gates including the Earth gate. There was a line of dialogue talking about getting materials FROM Laconia not sending more to it.
I feel like you guys need to watch the last 5 minutes of season 5 episode 10 again. It's explicitly stated in that scene that the Martian ships are going through the Laconia ring.
Cortázar! Cortázar! Cortázar! The whole point of grabbing the protomolecule sample was because they had use for it, because they had Cortázar. The protomolecule useless is without Cortázar! How does Marco buy himself a Navy? He buys it from the Martians by trading Cortázar and the protomolecule for a fleet of ships. That was the whole reveal at the end of season 5. The (breakaway) Martian activity is all on Laconia.
The final three books take place 30 years later, so they technically stand on their own, but the groundwork to establish that story is all over this season.
Really hope they make the last three some day.
@@jed70Judging from Ty and the cast, there is a decent chance it will eventually get made, but probably not anytime soon.
It’s not happening to every ship that transits the rings. It’s sporadic.
Nerdy sounds so confident in his statements, it’s painful sometimes.
Yes, the Martians went to Laconia. Duarte is the leader of the Martian Separatists. Wave 1 were with Cortazar and he messaged saying the "sample" has arrived. Wave 2 were the group that attacked the Sol Ring.
Fillip Inaros was sixteen last season, making him close to seventeen now. And in Belter culture sixteen is considered "an adult."
I was a teen in the '60's. Underage kids, way back then, were having sex orgy parties if someone's parents were dumb enough to go away for the weekend and leave their precoscious 16-yr. old kid alone and in charge of their home. And I'm talking about suburban Detroit, not wild California. In general, cops care little if underage kids are sexing up other underage kids. It's only when an adult violates statutory rape laws that they seem to get interested in a prosecution.
It might be alarming to you, but it not at all uncommon for 16-yr olds to be sexually active. I think the maxim "if you play with fire, you might get burned" applies big time, but it happens, anyway.
Great reaction!
Steven Straight ( Holden ) lost a lot of weight for this season to show the physical stress on his character.
Interesting editing, I do like how the writers used Alex's death to set to tone of the Rocinante crew, and not just over look his absence!
Are you going to react to the Xray episodes?
18:32 don’t worry, the show will explain. In the meantime: yes, that MCRN ship (Barkeith) was going to Laconia, you’re right about that. And yes, something happened to it. Also, I know what you mean when you say “small ring” and “big ring’’ but really they’re all the same size; the Solar System isn’t special, it doesn’t get a bigger ring than the others.
And in terms of speculation, it’s true that Marco and co have some long term worries, such as food. The show will talk more about that too
And the name of the scientist you're thinking of is Paolo Cortázar
They’re not sending titanium to Laconia. Listen again.
Medina needs more material…a lot more. To install “the Laconia pieces.”
Yup, Filip is 16. But since when is U.S. underage, global underage? This is the future, he's a belter. Where does it state that age of consent is 18 in the Belt?
Globally currently the most common age range for age of consent is 14-16.
So this wasn't an underage sex-scene. ;)
Fun fact: IRL Laconia was another name for Sparta in Ancient Greece. It's where we get the phrases "laconic humor" and "laconic wit". When an aggressor (Philip II of Macedon) threatened them with "If I invade Laconia, I shall turn you out", they responded "if".
Phillip II of Macedon was Alexander the Great's father. Who in this show thought of himself as being like Alexander the Great and named his son Filip and his flagship after the capital of Macedon? Sparta was the capitol of Laconia.
@@MattNolanCustom Your scholarship exceeds mine: respect.
@@VerticalBlank thank you, but the book authors and show writers deserve the real respect
The opening sequence is from the novella "Strange Dogs" and takes place on Laconia. Something that most people seem to miss is when Inaros and Rutledge are leaving the Pella's CNC and they are talking about Medina Station needing more titanium for abutments for something that they have received from Laconia.
Best part about rewatching is that you pick up on dialogue like that you missed the first time 😊
Rosenfeld. Nerdy didn't miss the dialog, but he did misinterpret it
Also Wes Chatham’s TYandThatGuy podcast (available here on TH-cam) did aftershows for all the S6 episodes (and deep dives into every episode of the series).
Did you notice how the Roci crew are not fighting with their helmets on, like Drummer's crew were? They are so tired that they are no longer even worried about getting hit by weapons fire and losing atmosphere while they are fighting.
They weren't wearing helmets because they were ambushed. They didn't know they were going into combat.
Marco and Rosenfeld were talking about sending supplies to Medina, aka the Behemoth,.. which he approved. Earlier in the episode he disregarded concerns about supply issues on Ceres, which in his speech he declared as the new capital of the Belt. Marco deserves nobody’s pity.
Yeah, aside from others already given, that's a huge clue as to the real person and notivation Marco has.
@@tastyneck He’s the mirror opposite of Holden.
@@eds1942 Good point.
When Sauveterre (on the Barkeith) was talking to Cortazar (on Laconia) at the end of Season 5, Cortazar had already received the protomolecule-the Barkeith was headed to Laconia, but it didn’t have the protomolecule on board.
The Martian separatists all went through the Laconia ring so that they only have to defend a single point of entry that is heavily mined.
this show aside, imagine someone like marco inaros beinig real and sling shotting rocks at earth, fuck an alien invasion, other people waging war in space is much more terrifying
Strange Dogs - the novella - is such an interesting read and I love what it does for the story. I was happy they included it into the show
Mars only has the Laconia gate.
And is not about spreading out to colonize. It's just a bunch of random people going to different places.
Cortazar is the name of scientist. Duarte has acquired him and made him the top researcher of the protomolecule in his new Laconian Empire.
Also, Marco has been continually throwing rocks at Earth since the last season, which has tied down Earth's defenses and made it impossible for them to focus on anything else. That's the thing about living in the belt, you basically have an unlimited supply of rocks.
The opening planet, Laconia, is where all of the Martian defectors went, including the last Proto-molecule sample and the scientist Cortazar. And they brought enough Earth soil for their needs before they sealed off access to the Laconia Ring.
Like Ilus, aka New Terra, the planet Laconia has substantial Builder tech, and it supports life, but Laconia has a few extra layers of Builder tech goodies and its ecosystem is thriving,.. and that Proto-molecule sample activated it all. Ilus was basically a small industrial outpost in a third world country in comparison to Laconia which was probably going to be a fully developed colony awaiting the Builders to settle. Admiral Duarte and his defectors hit the jackpot.
Mars used to be based entirely around the terraforming project. The MCRN saw their goal as much about keeping materials flowing from the Belt to Mars in support of that goal as it was to keep Earth at bay. Being able to walk around on the surface of Mars, 'tackle out' was the goal, and it was going to take generations of effort.
But the Ring Gates opened, and suddenly instead of leaving a dome and breathing free air being something your grandkid's grandkid's probably wouldn't live to see, it was maybe 2 years on a colony transport away, if you could get a place.
So basically if Mars was a coal mining town, the Ring Gates are like someone not just dropping plans for, but demonstrating a working fusion reactor, making the produce of the mine basically worthless.
Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this protomolecule.
_standing ovation_
Keep in mind that Earth, Mars and The Belt are not momolithic blocks in this show. The Martians who settled on Laconia are not "Mars" in general, they are just one faction of Martians who basically defected from the Mars Congressional Republic (after illegally selling weapons to Inaros).
It was the Laconia ring. They were heading there. Mars went to Laconia to start a new society, and yes, the protomolecule was taken there for them because "they know something we don't" that only exists in Laconia. Cortazar is there. Medina is controlled by Marco's Free Navy and they are sending supplies there as part of something that they are doing in the ring space with Laconia's help. Not every ship that goes through a ring gets eaten but some do. We don't know why yet. Plot point for later.
The MCRN ship was going to Laconia, the base of the breakaway Mars faction and the location of the protomolecule scientist.
The ship didn't make a successful transit at the Laconia Gate.
Gorbachev? 😂
His name is Paolo Cortázar!
In his defense: Same number of syllables!
Killed me also... got very USSR for a moment.
A sizable fraction of the Martian Armed Forces defected and founded the Laconian faction, not all of tham. You will be seeing more of what left of the Loyalist Martians fighting alongside the UN later on. You might even recognised some character that they brought back from previous seasons, WINK, WINK.
Can you guys access to the bonus episodes? Amazon X-Ray?
nedy is right, the martians wanted the protomolecule and cortezar (the scientist),the belters had both. they traded both for martian ships,thats why the free navy has so many martian ships.
Remember earlier in production when the books were ending at the mid-season point? That's sort of the cadence they returned to so it's not that season 6 is shorter its that they didn't adapt the first half of the next book. If that makes sense.
The irony about Michio Pa not quite fitting in is...she's basically Drummer in the books. All the stuff Drummer has done was Michio in the books. In book 3 Bull was originally going to be the XO on the Behemoth, but was replaced with Pa (by Fred Johnson) to have belters running the ship (politics, since Bull's an Earther). Ashford's actually the CO and eventually Bull convinces Michio to mutiny. He sacrifices himself to stop a belter in stolen power armor, but gives Michio and Holden time to get to Ashford. It's implied in the book that he had a TBI that made him go a bit crazy, and "off screen" stroked out.
Drummer is basically just the chief of security, but we don't even learn her first name 'til book 7, 30 years after the events of book (and season) 6.
Philip's basically suffering from PTSD at this point. He hasn't quite realized what his father is underneath. Or what it's doing to him.
I liked the way in the tv show they even showed, "Rocinante joins the fight!" because it's such an iconic ship, famous for diving into the fray and coming out surprisingly well.
Since it won't impact the remainder of the season, Admiral Duarte is the head guy that organized taking over Laconia. He had himself in charge of a project to investigate planets, and when he found a suitable one planned to do what we see in the show. He had the protomolecule and Dr Cortazar taken by Marco and traded for ships and weapons (so a lot of the stuff Marco uses actually came from Mars). The Laconian part really doesn't matter 'til book 7. That section of the show will definitely leave you with more questions than answers.
I don't think Holden knew about the Barkeith itself, but Naomi was one of the first to discover the effects of "going Dutchman" and figured out how to figure out when it might happen.
As far as the crew there wasn't nearly as much tension in the books as the TV show does. I'm not quite sure why the added all that in, to be honest.
5 more episodes of Sol vs Free Navy war to enjoy.
Fillip Inaros iturned 16 in Nemesis Games (book).
And if you are from Canada yourself (guessing by your PO box), then 16 is legal right now, but until recently it was 14 for your own country mate !
That’s fine, still don’t want to watch 16 year old characters in sex scenes 🤷🏼♂️ if you do that’s certainly a choice
This might be the first time Nerdy was right and Klaroos wasn't.
Nerdy is correct all the martians were going through the one gate to at the end of last season. They were taking the protomolecule for that big machine the scientist was working on.
Cortázar!
Will you watch the One Ship webisodes?
Steven Strait actually lost weight for this season to really capture the look of being in a marathon of a war.
Something i don't think anyone fully considered during these parts of the expanse, but there is going to be a ton of extra debris floating around the solar system afterwards lol...
Great reaction
Yes the Martians were going to Laconia and the ring ate them. Nothing else has been said about it in the show yet (other than Holden bringing it up to Amos in this episode)
21:25 The Martian defectors went to Laconia with the protomolecule that Marco used as payment for their material support.
Lt. Babbage was on route to Laconia gate when the black stuff erased the ship. The gate is still open.
As far as where we find the Roci crew (on Day 187), it always reminded me of a particular quote from _Babylon 5_ (a favourite show of this shows’ writers), where an enigmatic character opines:
"Being a freedom fighter, a force for good, it's a wonderful thing. Get to make your own hours, looks good on a résumé. But the pay … sucks."
He was the bestest.
@@JustanotherconsumerI see what you did there, and I like it.
The first segment of each episode is of the Ring planet Laconia. This is the incorporation of the Strange Dogs novella into the series to let us know what Cortazar and the character whose name you were shown, but you didn't notice it, Admiral Duarte are doing. Notice that the little girl Cara knew the names of all the creatures she saw except the "strange dog." The producers said that they built the Laconia set so huge and defined that people got lost within it. The Laconia set probably cost at least one episode.
They told us at the close of last season that both the Protomolecule sample and Cortazar were on Laconia. Furthermore, they told and showed us that Cortazar had the sample on an orbiting Protomolecule space platform and was seeing "excellent results." With Marco in control of interplanetary space, there isn't any more colonization by Earth or Mars going on. Whatever colonies Nancy Gao was able to start, those people are trapped where they are, and Marco isn't interested in starting any new Belter colonies beyond Illus.
They're going to say more about food.
No reason why Belters should have the same considerations of sexual activity and age that we do. They age faster and die earlier than we do in the West even today.
As you know, Cara Gee and Keon Alexander are good friends. While this season aired, they sh*tposted each other in character on Twitter. It was hilarious. One of the subjects of their back-and-forth was how gaunt Holden was looking.
Are you aware of the X-Ray 5-minute featurettes? You have to watch through a web device (computer or phone). Pause the video, go into the X-Ray then the Bonus Content. Although the featurettes are not essential, they are fun...and I think the first one is very significant to know more about Drummer.
The Mars ship was going to Laconia. And you're also right about the belterd going through multiple rings to different places. The black stuff only happens sometimes.
Guys you might want to get in on this new show Shōgun, best new show I’ve seen in years, I think it’s getting ready to blow up. GOT level quality.
Most points are already mentioned in the comments. I think Nerdy mixed up Alex' family with Isai's family who went through the rings. Nice reaction. I am looking forward to see how they feel about if the show stuck the landing when the season is over. Oh, and for a palet cleanser ... might I recommend Ted Lasso? 😁
I can only really remember his name by thinking of hydro-cortizone.
It's like cortizar or something.
I think of him as Pirate Cortez.
Cortez-ARR!
They didn’t die going through the ring. The doctor and Admiral are on the same planet
I've always said, touch screens, especially in space make 0 sense. If you have a manual button to fire something, you can keep your finger literally on it, and then press it when you need to! first time I saw that scene I was like, YES! Thank you Expanse for proving my point! 😂
perhaps you need to tell SpaceX
06:21 yeah, i wouldn't chance a small jump and risk floating away... 👀
I know you're already further in than this point, but for anyone confused, the people who got ate by the ring were in fact going to Laconia. However, it was explained earlier that some ships (maybe 1 in a hundred or even a thousand) were going missing. Also, and I can't remember if they explained this as well in the show as they did in the books, but it happened more often when multiple ships went through at the same time.
Its a whole plot point at a later stage, so it wil be explained.
Marco has the inner planets scrambling for survival and defense. The edges of the solar system are unguarded and dominated by the belter pirates.
You’ll get more info as to why and how it’s important in the other episodes.
Great review as always! Its ok to be confused, taking a great book and only having 6 episodes is high crime! I blame Bezos! Still better than every SciFi I have seen, enjoy the ride and I recommend the books.
The scientist name you were looking for was cortozar...
Remember when the scientist on Laconia said something like, “We’re not sure why but the machines woke up when the protomolocule arrived.” in the final episode?
There would still be lots of low level workers and techs still on the Behemoth who are not loyal to Marcos.
Speaking of My Little Pony, I’m on the Star Trek Cruise with lots of the cast. John DeLancey is the voice of Discord on MLP.
I seem to remember Cortazar saying something more like "we're seeing great results already"
Watch the mini episodes too, could even do a separate reaction for them. Without those episodes this season can feel rushed without the down time that the show normally has.
The ship that got taken by the ring destroyers was going through the Sol gate. Everyone is trying to go to their own system because humanity can't share.
Cue “The End” by The Doors.
Paolo Cortázar is the scientist your thinking of
Oh ps dont forget the X-rays i between the eps of season 6 it is vary helpful and entertaining
Enjoy the hell out of the last season. When you've coompleted The Expanse, any other series will hold your attention to the same degree as watching a TV test pattern.
please tell me you will be showing reactions for the xrays that go along with these
Hello Screamin' Firehawks. I'm re-watching The Expanse on Blu-Ray and I started my re-watch for S6 today. I'm glad Expanse got to S6, (I know it had the books to follow) because Firefly deserved more than just 1 season & I think Star Trek & Star Wars are unwatchable now
I agree on Firefly, disagree on Star Wars, and haven't had the energy to deal with Star Trek in a while, lost interest in Discovery after season 2, now I don't even know where I'd catch it anymore, the distribution rights are messy sometimes.
The "Mandoverse" has been great and apart from some parts of Ahsoka, I've enjoyed it very much.
@@davidbergfors6820 I don't see where you have an opinion about The Expanse? The Belters have a word for this: Welwala!
oh knowing that you guys worked in hospitality i think you'll love The Bear it'll bring back all the good and bad memories lol
Not all of the Martian military went to Laconia. Only the more radical faction.
If the Astroids don't hit the Earth at the right angle, they will bounce off the atmosphere.
Bounce off? How?
Once they hit atmosphere they’ll start encountering a lot of drag and slow down - they can still be fast enough to go out the other side which is very unlikely because the atmosphere is relatively thin, it’d be like hitting one of the rings on a dartboard.
Rocks aren’t going to produce meaningful amounts of lift that would make them skip on the atmosphere, silbervogel style, and even the silbervogel would eventually succumb to drag and gravity without propulsion.
@@Justanotherconsumerit’s based on angle and speed. Air reacts like a fluid at higher speeds. If you don’t hit it at the right angle; the rocks will skip off like a stone on a pond. Too direct and the rocks will explode from the excessive heat and drag.
@@crtmojo2705it is often called skipping, but in reality it is just clipping through the top of the *curved* atmosphere and coming out the other side on a slightly altered orbit having been slowed down a little, but not enough to fall to Earth. The pond analogy is flawed, but easier to understand
@@Justanotherconsumer I could explain how Astroids bounce off our atmosphere all the time, or you can look up the info yourself. ✌️
@@MattNolanCustom yeah. Ricochet is probably a better description the skipping.
07:07 they are minerals, claroos!
There are farms on Medina.
You know people have sex with 16 right?
Interresting how this makes you uncomfortable, but when he kills someone little later you were just laughing...
21:46 If you paid more attention you wouldn´t say that.
Don't forget the Xray Bonus content
Poor Naomi is going through it.
Please tell me you know about the X-Ray bonus content?? Each one is meant to be watched right after each of the first 5 episodes... You're denying youself the optimal experience of season 6. 😕
It was Laconia.
Hope you guys watched he X-rays.
Love the reactions to this show. 😊
First. Great Reaction you two... ✌️😸
The Laconia plot is imo the weakest of the entire series because there are so many implausible things in there, also factors contradict each other (you need many people for a viable colony, the more people you have the more implausible a secret cabal becomes and how did all the crews and people get convinced to go somewhere in secret), if Duarte had exclusive access to that probe, why did none send their own probe to chart that solar system, if he did not why had that data not spread to many research groups before he even got that data? Also: These guys are supporters of the greatest genocide of human history and they have stole tons of military ships, why the fuck would anyone leave them alone?
In all cases none of this should work
There were colonists there before Duarte and his military arrived. It's not that overt in the TV adaptation of "Strange Dogs" but it is indicated in an episode or two's time. An answer to your other point comes a few episodes later.
iTS ONE PLANET. LACONIA
How Holden got the footage is not important. Plot convience. Forget about it
It’s also super easy to handwave. Medina’s takeover happened just prior to the Barkeith’s demise.
Any number of cameras could have been operable, and any number of entities or factions may have originally had the footage before it made its way to Holden’s sources (and those entities were neutralized).
Emotional damage!
Im desperately hoping that y'all will consider watching Good Omens. It's so quirky and wonderful and a great show!
Please please tell me you are watching the bonus Xray episodes!!!
Gorbachev..... lol
You two are adorable. 🤩
"CPTSD the series."
And then there were 5.
Cortazar.
Dr. Paulo Cortazar
Scientist is Cortezar
Nice hair
Philip has both mommy issues as well as daddy issues...
I’ll be honest, season 6 was a step down for me from season 5. Lots of great stuff, still, but the strange dogs don’t do it for me.
The really great thing about this show at first is how /alien/ the aliens are.
Then we have quadrupedal and look like weird versions of earth animals and it’s just kind of rubber foreheads all over again.
Not the only aliens, but… some of them.
They asked for 10 episodes to tell the story they wanted to, and said they could've done it in eight episodes.
They only got six, so they had to jam a bunch of stuff in, and sometimes things feel a bit disjointed, yeah.
@@thomashiggins9320it’s not the story structure, it’s the story elements.
The non-Laconia stuff remains as compelling as ever, no complaints there.
Holden got that photage cause the script said so, goddamit 😅
This season and season 5 script said LOTS that makes NO sense..