One thing you rarely hear talked about is how amazing the arranger workstations are to those of us who enjoy playing, but will never be great because of disabilities, etc. As much as I’d love a Genos, I could never afford one but i bought a PSR-970 a few years and never played it so much just because no matter how bad you play, the abilities of the keyboard allow you to sound so much better. I never really liked the key feel though so I tend to play with an external semi-weighted keyboard. For anyone with dexterity problems or poor coordination, there is so much these keyboards can help you that it really makes you enjoy it more. You can get tons of songs as lead sheets and I’ve yet to find songs the PSR-970 didn’t have a style you could play to and i can’t imagine how much better the Genos would be in that regard. My only real issue is Yamaha really lets these keyboards down by it’s poorly supported software. I have a WIFI adapter for mine but I’ve yet to find a real use for it but if Yamaha created PC/Mac/Tablet software where you program registrations, control the keyboard, etc it’d make its keyboards so much easier to use, find and create things with it’s keyboard.
Genos is one of the keyboards I would buy in a money is no object situation. While not poor and I have the cash on hand, I couldn't justify it otherwise. I can easier justify the less expensive Kurtzweil K2700 and I haven't purchased one of those either. Please do more. I've have always been tempted by it.
They way I see it, Genos is a Arrangified Yamaha Montage. They both have 256 Polyphony, they both have thousands of sounds, they can BOTH be used as arrangers, the Genos has fanicer screen menues with images, the Yamaha Montage is more "sound creation centric", but you have more custom buttons on the Montage, albeit arranged differently. They both have the same sound quality, about the same "user memory of 1.7gb respecitve 1.8gb on Genos", the Modx doesn't count here as it's a scaled down version of the Montage with lower end DAC's and 16 bit only. I went with the Montage instead of the Genos because I like to make my own stuff from scratch, but technically there's nothing in the way for using either one as you can use your own presets on both.
@JoOngleGamer: user memory in genos is around 56 gb actually. I guess you're talking an expansion memory, in genos indeed it was 1.8gb at the beginning but then yamaha released operating system update and now its 3.0 Gb actually. Still the whole procedure of expansion packs management is something that can be improved imho
I disagree with the quality of the sounds. I think the Genos puts the Montage to shame with its acoustic sounds. Montage sounds okay, but the Genos sounds like a very high quality VST. I would LOVE a Yamaha synth to have all the Genos sounds without the arranger built in.
@@KevboKev They're both 24 Bit. You can load any sounds you want into the Montage, you can also simulate keystroke sounds, add variations to each of the 16 layers of sound you can add, and manipulate it to no end.
Id like to see another video. Like making your own composition using the Genos from scratch. Make some rock music with drums and guitar and vocals -but from scratch. Would be good to make a little moviescore too. And then discuss how the Genos differes from other Yamaha offering that can do the same things but harder or differently from the Genos and which product / keyboard form Yamaha is the best to compose from scratch. I like this video.
I think the next step in the Genos evolution would be to add a fully programmable synth section. And maybe more life-like strum/pick articulation for the guitar voices, so far they sound like someone tapping the strings on the fret board like Stanley Jordan.
Its a terrific instrument. It has a huge library of eminently usable high quality sounds. My only criticism is that I find the multi track recording feature a little basic especially after using computers (not that i'm suggesting it could ever get near computer editing - that would be ridiculous). However, I would like it to offer more features for editing your songs and therefore encouraging me to stay within the instrument to make music - after-all, I believe that is the purpose of this machine - self-contained requiring no other gear.
I have a Yamaha Genos and Iam very happy with it I also used to have tbe Yamaha tyros 5 . They are fantastic keyboards. I use my Genos for my own gigs by myself without the band that I belong to. What I want to learn is how to use the looping to add different instruments to a recorded song that I would compose. But I am very happy and satisfied.
This video was very informative this keyboard is a Boss. i enjoyed it. I;d like ti see more on the styles and features. Also do videos on the psr sx series too.
This instrument is a harbinger for the future,it's designed to serve The left and the right brain 🧠Of a musician(s)one minute, you can call up the string quartet algorithm to play Elenore Rigby live with quartet of singers,...do music from the group Shadowfax, play killer steel guitar or violin in a small group doing music from the band Union Station, Harmonica for Toots,hell , you could pull off Kashmir or Comfortably Numb in a Rock trio or duo, this is not a cocktail bar instrument, this is an icon menu driven synth it is not limited to arrangement it is only limited to the reviewer with the glasses 🕶️
I have a Genos and am very impressed by its capabilities. However, as you say , what I want to be able to do is to sit down and produce a song from scratch but I find it very hard to get behind the clear intent of the machine to produce a usable result. Unless you are an extremely proficient player, it is quite difficult to add tracks seamlessly and then edit mistake because of the clunkiness of the track editing features. I a DAW software setup, it is relatively childsplay to correct notes and move phrases around or insert things. But the primitive editing avalable in the Genos inhibits me. It is extremely difficult to depart from recording using styles to lay down your own ideas because of the embedded integrations of styles. Like Microsoft Word, most users deploy about 15-20% of the capability.. to explore the entire functionality in order to ‘make music’ takes enormous effort and experience. Would definitely appreciate further videos the start from scratch song creation hacks.
If there are videos...we are not getting them from here. Send these ideas to Yamaha...see what they offer. I thinking you may already have a good understanding of the Genos and its limitations. It is an ARRANGER for live performance and limited editing. The Korg PA models are for deeper editing but less smooth acoustic instruments. Also research the Ketrons from Italy.
What I like about the Genos is how realistic the acoustic sounds are. I don't even hear that good of a quality in Kronos acoustic. These sounds a lot like many really top notch VSTs out there. I would LOVE Yamaha to make a synthesizer with all these fantastic built in sounds, without the need for the arranger part. I would love to have the sounds on stage during a gig. I can certainly come close, but the realism the acoustic sounds have on the Genos is next to extraordinary.
@@Königsberg39 That's technically true, but the Genos and Montage use the same Yamaha SWP70 tone generator and the Montage uses Expanded Articulation (XA) which is similar to Super Articulation. There are buttons to select various playing styles, and the Superknob and scenes also provide quick variations. I think that the sounds from both instruments are comparable and quite similar.
I sold my Kronos because I loved the Arranger experience with its backing tracks. Many have written well and "stunned" about the Kronos. Not me. I was UN-stunned by it.
I find the Genos hilarious. It's basically the peak evolution of the Yamaha PSS/PSRs a lot of us had as kids in the 80's, as we couldn't afford real synthesizers. I've never heard so many cheesy covers pouring out of a machine, it cracks me up every time. It seems designed for people who get "gigs" at weddings and maybe bingo halls.. I like to call it the most complex and expensive *bridesmaid-catcher* on the planet. Pure cheese! 😂
i'm a producer and stage artist, also a fan of keyboards, i've tried top of the line synths from korg, roland, kurzwell and yamaha, all fantastic, but i also like arranger keyboards and their tools, i personally have a genos in my studio and I can say that it is a jewel of acoustic instrument sounds, very detailed and real. But in this demo the keyboardist wouldn't sell a dime.
Unless you own one…everything will be “cheesy” pouring not only out of this machine but TH-cam in general…from speakers headphones amps and whatever else you search…sound related..
@@OwlStudio73 what nonsense is this? We're not talking about reviews of speakers or headphones, playing back on some theoretical kid's iPhone speaker. We're talking about electronic music gear with its direct line outs being recorded.. 😅
Pretty mean, yet sounds true. 😄😝🤣 psr n tyros people have been stereotyped as restaurant church and wedding entertainers instead of serious musicians. That’s insulting but i do see the relevance because it does sound monotonous.
@@Wagoo No nonsense at as it’s all sound related and is relative to the listener..if you think the Genos sounds cheesy pumping out covers well than it’s truely little ignorant of you to think that way )
I've been looking for a workstation that has premium sounds, and the Fantom, Kronos and Montage all sound great, but I could tell that certain sounds aren't the real instrument. Maybe I should start saving some pennies up for this. You could get a used Moog One for the same cost, so I'm not sure if it's worth it for me.
Hello Alamo Music, In pictures I see the Genos speakers always face the keyboard player. Can they be rotated to face a small audience in front of the keyboard? Thanks for this helpful video. Jerry
You guys ignored the most important question, which is "who is this instrument for?" It's not a home instrument because it's too unattractive, complicated and expensive. And it's not really a band instrument because the drum machine and autoplay features aren't needed in a combo. It's really intended for professional musicians who perform alone, for example in a bar or restaurant. They don't have backing musicians and need to be able to produce a full arrangement from a single keyboard. And the Genos can do that convincingly, once you get good at playing it. That's definitely a niche case, which is why most recording and band musicians would never consider it as, say, an alternative to a Montage. Incidentally, your demos don't really show that off properly. If this is what you need from your instrument, than the Genos is the best that there is. But for most people and even most professionals, it's not really relevant.
I Geoff, if I wanted to make my own compositions (solo) using keyboards and memory banks, would the Yam Genos or Montage be better - from a solo artist point of view who is making recording (not making live music, just composing recordings). Thanks.
@@oscarsheen3045 If you're using a DAW or recording multi-track, than the Montage is a better choice. The Montage can do drum tracks, bass lines and expressive performances. The advantages of the Genos are that you can set up arrangements of bass, drums and lead instrument and then play these back (with variations) quickly in a live setting. That's important for doing a full arrangement of a song as a solo live performer, but it doesn't give you any real advantages as a composer or recording artist. In fact, the Montage has some performance advantages for a keyboard player including a better action, the Superknob and scenes. The instrument sounds on the Montage are just as good, and it's more versitile as a synthesizer for creating new sounds. Finally, the Montage is about half the price of the Genos.
You can do midi sequencing on these arranger keyboards, the instrument sounds in this and even the Tyros 5 sound way more superior to the majority of VST instruments. However I'm not going to be getting a Genos even though I did consider it, I will be either getting a black Tyros 4 or a Tyros 5. Although it pains me to say it I'm not a big fan of the Genos's appearance but I like the black Tyros 4 because it looks reminiscent to an arranger keyboard from the 90s but I could tolerate a silver Tyros but at least the Tyros 5 is a dark silver. Another reason why a Tyros 4 or Tyros 5 appeals to me is because they also have a bank of legacy sounds so no matter what Tyros you get you will still get all the sounds from a Tyros 1 regardless of which model which is ideal if say you prefer the saxophone from Tyros 2 or want a drum kit from Tyros 1 or a clarinet from Tyros 3. The Tyros keyboards even have the XG sound set ( even though I already have a Yamaha MU50 ). I don't even use auto accompaniments unless I wanted to arrange public domain songs like traditional Christmas carols. I always sequence everything when I am doing song covers ( there is even an onboard sequencer on most arrangers ).
According to the specs...the Genos "workstation" isn't a workstation(i.e., no pattern-based recording with a copy & paste function, insert effects & deep editing.) If this is the case, this keyboard is a joke(as a workstation)...for $6,000! Perhaps there is a system update that I am unaware of(that provides full workstation features, such as was done with the Yamaha Montage/MODX)....even so, the price tag is insane. I realize that arranger keyboards are generally more expensive due to all of the programming that goes into them, but my $1,500 Roland Fantom 06 sounds just as impressive(( & the main differences are that the Genos has a display almost twice the size, more presets, libraries and storage space....but nothing really significant to justify a 6 grand price tag. If the Genos was an 88-key and went for around $4,500(that would be a realistic & fair price.)
Personally I would be happy with a Tyros 2 as you can now buy them for under a grand and the Tyros 2 still sounds just as good as it did back in the day. In fact many of Halion 6's sounds use those same samples, especially the drums, pianos and saxophones.
1. The price tag IS insane. Really insane. The sound palate very rich. Buy one [used] someday for half price. OR....buy a Tyros 4 or 5 soon as you can if you need an all around arranger for live performances now. These sound amazing in a live venue. In your studio you will be over picky but the audience will love your sound. I never like semi-weighte keybeds. So, , , if you are a pianist. . . Add a midi's weighted hammer action second board controller for a truerer piano feel keybed . . . like the Kawai's ES110's buttery smooth and heavenly keybed feel. Such a board will greatly enhance the AC pianos to a major auditory ACP experience. You want to ENJOY what your pianist hands touch...especially during tedious practice sessions [essential and required]. 2. The Tyros and Genos keybeds are a wonderful "gem for Organ and Synth touch. Your' paying for that high quality keybed. You won't miss out on anything [as a generalist] arranger performer. . . when used for live "arranging" performance venues. . . for many future years. Now I own the Genos, The deep workstation Korg PA5X is [different animal] for much extensive production work. The Yamaha Genos and previous Tyros 3 and 4and 5 emphasis is for venue performance: very light production work if at all. . . [a huge difference]. 3. Plus all these videos make them sound better than what you would ever. . . HEAR. .. even with your own powered speaker systems. Good headphones will always sound more amazing than speakers system but the 12 and 15' speakers like JBL EON [just one instance] are perfect especially the earlier speaker models "even 20 years old". . . built better. . . better materials. Don't EVER cheap out with speakers. The bigger lower speaker cone woofers bring 'out and forward' the hidden fat timbre spectrums.
Important thing you didn't mention, KORG or KETRON started correctly the MAJOR or MINEUR chords with the long intro. Cuz it has a different pattern. GENOS is awfully 🤔, hear the big differences
Keyboard feels a bit cheap for a premium instrument, definitely not comparable to a DX7 keybed. Sounds are outstanding, but I had the same issue with not being able to change the sounds. They're not even available for purchase.
No arranger keyboards don't tend to have weighted keys because they are not intended for pianists. Arranger keyboards also need to be fairly lightweight so they can be taken to venues not that I would want to take a £4,000 keyboard out of the house.
The am v amp that comes out of it is not good as the mod X which am2 if they put that in the Geno's then yes it would be the best keyboard the sound quality that comes out with digital sound
Arranger keyboards are not intended for music production, I very nearly made the mistake of buying a Tyros 5 thinking it would be better than Halion 6 but that is not true. Halion is better for music production and in this instance I prefer software to hardware. The only hardware I like is PCM sound modules and drum machines like the Roland U-220, SC-88 Pro, R-8 or a Korg sound module. But as 80s synthesizers and lofi drum machines like the Roland TR-707 are extortionate I prefer VSTs.
@@LittleRichard1988 I respect that but this was a year ago now look at all the youtube producer's some of them told me I was crazy getting hardware now they done did a total 360 😆 🤣. As far as the arrangement keyboards go I just like going in a different direction than everyone one else. Everyone has the same VSTs I even have them. Hardware keeps you with fresh sounds
I am late to the game, because I currently have (still have I should say) a.... Drumroll.....a Casio 631!!!! yeah, I have missed a couple of decades, LOL. This thing is basically dying (cough, cough). But seriously, how does this Keyboard Workstation stack up to a Yamaha Montage or the Modx, Montage's cheaper, younger child? Someone said that it is top of the line basic Yamaha PSS/PSRs, but much more expensive. If that is this keyboard workstation is, I will stick to getting the Montage line.
My suggestion ...until you play each for an hour or two...no written explanation will make a great reality for anyone. Arrangers serve a severely differe nt purpose than a nice Montage.
I have one . . . but strongly t agree with you. I saved up. Got it for half price. . .so it made a LOT of sense. A huge amount of sense. . . as a venue performance ARRANGER. Not a deep work station.
Brilliant sounds but not reliable. Had mine 4 years and keys not working, cannot find anyone to repair as Yamaha UK don’t maintain their web site. Looking for something else now but won’t be touch Yamaha again. Best part of £1,000/ year for a home plinky plonk. It doesn’t get moved around, not used professionally and not humped from gig to gig. Expected better.
I bought one and I have zero use for it. It's not what I expected. And I am not interested in the sounds for my needs. What is crazy is it's ALL plastic and expensive. I have 3 other keyboards that I love. No love for the Genos. I am selling mine.
@@albianco Please give us an explanation [I do not doubt your opinion]. . . WHY, for you, is the Korg pa5x better [more enjoyalbe]. I believe you. I like the rythyms on the Korg better but greatly enjoy the richer acoustics more on the Genos models. Also I have not time or use for a wonderful work station like the Korg [editing abilities]. I have both. I will never use the deep stuff on the Korg and may sell it soon unless their December 2022 updates smooths out the acoustic instruments. The Korg AC pianos are too harsh for my ear. Yet I understand many do praise the Korg PA line. They have important reasons for why. So I will learn from and respect your opinions and experiences. Thank-you for any advice and import.
@@richievpiano I use a Korg PA1000 (same engine as the PA4x, I think), and I'm impressed with the keyboard overall, but never liked the acoustic pianos, grand pianos, etc., that came with it. I downloaded a set of pianos that someone else created, and they're better and the ones I use on gigs, but I'm still disappointed with the piano sounds overall. I have my eye on the new PA5x and hope they upgraded the pianos. At $5,000 I'm hesitant to order one without getting to play one first somewhere.. we'll see. I use the PA 1000 on solo gigs and I'm just starting to really use more of its deep features. It's an awesome keyboard.
Arrangers are a niche product only in the US. In Europe, they're the mainstream product, actually.
Same thing in Middle-East very popular.
One thing you rarely hear talked about is how amazing the arranger workstations are to those of us who enjoy playing, but will never be great because of disabilities, etc.
As much as I’d love a Genos, I could never afford one but i bought a PSR-970 a few years and never played it so much just because no matter how bad you play, the abilities of the keyboard allow you to sound so much better. I never really liked the key feel though so I tend to play with an external semi-weighted keyboard.
For anyone with dexterity problems or poor coordination, there is so much these keyboards can help you that it really makes you enjoy it more. You can get tons of songs as lead sheets and I’ve yet to find songs the PSR-970 didn’t have a style you could play to and i can’t imagine how much better the Genos would be in that regard.
My only real issue is Yamaha really lets these keyboards down by it’s poorly supported software. I have a WIFI adapter for mine but I’ve yet to find a real use for it but if Yamaha created PC/Mac/Tablet software where you program registrations, control the keyboard, etc it’d make its keyboards so much easier to use, find and create things with it’s keyboard.
Genos is one of the keyboards I would buy in a money is no object situation. While not poor and I have the cash on hand, I couldn't justify it otherwise. I can easier justify the less expensive Kurtzweil K2700 and I haven't purchased one of those either.
Please do more. I've have always been tempted by it.
They way I see it, Genos is a Arrangified Yamaha Montage. They both have 256 Polyphony, they both have thousands of sounds, they can BOTH be used as arrangers, the Genos has fanicer screen menues with images, the Yamaha Montage is more "sound creation centric", but you have more custom buttons on the Montage, albeit arranged differently. They both have the same sound quality, about the same "user memory of 1.7gb respecitve 1.8gb on Genos", the Modx doesn't count here as it's a scaled down version of the Montage with lower end DAC's and 16 bit only. I went with the Montage instead of the Genos because I like to make my own stuff from scratch, but technically there's nothing in the way for using either one as you can use your own presets on both.
@JoOngleGamer: user memory in genos is around 56 gb actually. I guess you're talking an expansion memory, in genos indeed it was 1.8gb at the beginning but then yamaha released operating system update and now its 3.0 Gb actually. Still the whole procedure of expansion packs management is something that can be improved imho
@@genosman 3 GB, didn't know that, thanks, now I do :)
@@joonglegamer9898 :)
I disagree with the quality of the sounds. I think the Genos puts the Montage to shame with its acoustic sounds. Montage sounds okay, but the Genos sounds like a very high quality VST. I would LOVE a Yamaha synth to have all the Genos sounds without the arranger built in.
@@KevboKev They're both 24 Bit. You can load any sounds you want into the Montage, you can also simulate keystroke sounds, add variations to each of the 16 layers of sound you can add, and manipulate it to no end.
just tried this at store! Its an amazing instrument!!!
I just bought a psr-e473 for $400 and the things that can do is amazing. Usb audio and midi at that price!
Id like to see another video. Like making your own composition using the Genos from scratch. Make some rock music with drums and guitar and vocals -but from scratch. Would be good to make a little moviescore too. And then discuss how the Genos differes from other Yamaha offering that can do the same things but harder or differently from the Genos and which product / keyboard form Yamaha is the best to compose from scratch. I like this video.
I second this. I'd like to see a simplified arranging session first, then something a little more complicated.
Can you do some organ patches
I think the next step in the Genos evolution would be to add a fully programmable synth section. And maybe more life-like strum/pick articulation for the guitar voices, so far they sound like someone tapping the strings on the fret board like Stanley Jordan.
"psrtutorial" for anyone wondering what group Ted was likely talking about at the end
I saw this when they had it in the studio about to do the video and it is Aaaaamazing!
Its a terrific instrument. It has a huge library of eminently usable high quality sounds. My only criticism is that I find the multi track recording feature a little basic especially after using computers (not that i'm suggesting it could ever get near computer editing - that would be ridiculous). However, I would like it to offer more features for editing your songs and therefore encouraging me to stay within the instrument to make music - after-all, I believe that is the purpose of this machine - self-contained requiring no other gear.
So I dont need a computer or anything like that?
I have a Yamaha Genos and Iam very happy with it I also used to have tbe Yamaha tyros 5 . They are fantastic keyboards. I use my Genos for my own gigs by myself without the band that I belong to. What I want to learn is how to use the looping to add different instruments to a recorded song that I would compose. But I am very happy and satisfied.
Does the Genos have the same stunning Cathedral Organ sounds from the Tyros5?
This looks and sounds brilliant
This video was very informative this keyboard is a Boss. i enjoyed it. I;d like ti see more on the styles and features. Also do videos on the psr sx series too.
Love my Genos I also have a sx900 but sound quality is alot better on the Genos :-) Subscribed!!
The other issue why no one talks about Genos is because it is $6k 👀
Dam. You could buy a decent amount of gear for that money.
Great video!! What a machine! Question... is there a way to save the default instruments and mixer settings upon start up?
Amazing guitar sound
Awesome! More videos please.
Yamaha Workstation > Everything ! (Quality Matters) ~ ☑️ ... 🎭
This instrument is a harbinger for the future,it's designed to serve The left and the right brain 🧠Of a musician(s)one minute, you can call up the string quartet algorithm to play Elenore Rigby live with quartet of singers,...do music from the group Shadowfax, play killer steel guitar or violin in a small group doing music from the band Union Station, Harmonica for Toots,hell , you could pull off Kashmir or Comfortably Numb in a Rock trio or duo, this is not a cocktail bar instrument, this is an icon menu driven synth it is not limited to arrangement it is only limited to the reviewer with the glasses 🕶️
It would be helpful to explain the difference between an arranger and a workstation.
I have a Genos and am very impressed by its capabilities. However, as you say , what I want to be able to do is to sit down and produce a song from scratch but I find it very hard to get behind the clear intent of the machine to produce a usable result. Unless you are an extremely proficient player, it is quite difficult to add tracks seamlessly and then edit mistake because of the clunkiness of the track editing features. I a DAW software setup, it is relatively childsplay to correct notes and move phrases around or insert things. But the primitive editing avalable in the Genos inhibits me. It is extremely difficult to depart from recording using styles to lay down your own ideas because of the embedded integrations of styles. Like Microsoft Word, most users deploy about 15-20% of the capability.. to explore the entire functionality in order to ‘make music’ takes enormous effort and experience. Would definitely appreciate further videos the start from scratch song creation hacks.
If there are videos...we are not getting them from here. Send these ideas to Yamaha...see what they offer. I thinking you may already have a good understanding of the Genos and its limitations. It is an ARRANGER for live performance and limited editing. The Korg PA models are for deeper editing but less smooth acoustic instruments. Also research the Ketrons from Italy.
I like the sound of this one. But I’m going with the Kurzweil K2700
What I like about the Genos is how realistic the acoustic sounds are. I don't even hear that good of a quality in Kronos acoustic. These sounds a lot like many really top notch VSTs out there. I would LOVE Yamaha to make a synthesizer with all these fantastic built in sounds, without the need for the arranger part. I would love to have the sounds on stage during a gig. I can certainly come close, but the realism the acoustic sounds have on the Genos is next to extraordinary.
Try a Montage or even an MODX. The acoustic sounds are excellent. In fact the Montage and Genos were introduced at around the same time.
@@geoffk777 Montage has no super articulation
@@Königsberg39 That's technically true, but the Genos and Montage use the same Yamaha SWP70 tone generator and the Montage uses Expanded Articulation (XA) which is similar to Super Articulation. There are buttons to select various playing styles, and the Superknob and scenes also provide quick variations. I think that the sounds from both instruments are comparable and quite similar.
I sold my Kronos because I loved the Arranger experience with its backing tracks. Many have written well and "stunned" about the Kronos. Not me. I was UN-stunned by it.
What a pity that no genos arranger module exists.
We have houses full of keyboards, we need portable modules!!
I find the Genos hilarious. It's basically the peak evolution of the Yamaha PSS/PSRs a lot of us had as kids in the 80's, as we couldn't afford real synthesizers. I've never heard so many cheesy covers pouring out of a machine, it cracks me up every time. It seems designed for people who get "gigs" at weddings and maybe bingo halls.. I like to call it the most complex and expensive *bridesmaid-catcher* on the planet. Pure cheese! 😂
i'm a producer and stage artist, also a fan of keyboards, i've tried top of the line synths from korg, roland, kurzwell and yamaha, all fantastic, but i also like arranger keyboards and their tools, i personally have a genos in my studio and I can say that it is a jewel of acoustic instrument sounds, very detailed and real. But in this demo the keyboardist wouldn't sell a dime.
Unless you own one…everything will be “cheesy” pouring not only out of this machine but TH-cam in general…from speakers headphones amps and whatever else you search…sound related..
@@OwlStudio73 what nonsense is this? We're not talking about reviews of speakers or headphones, playing back on some theoretical kid's iPhone speaker. We're talking about electronic music gear with its direct line outs being recorded.. 😅
Pretty mean, yet sounds true. 😄😝🤣 psr n tyros people have been stereotyped as restaurant church and wedding entertainers instead of serious musicians. That’s insulting but i do see the relevance because it does sound monotonous.
@@Wagoo No nonsense at as it’s all sound related and is relative to the listener..if you think the Genos sounds cheesy pumping out covers well than it’s truely little ignorant of you to think that way )
I've been looking for a workstation that has premium sounds, and the Fantom, Kronos and Montage all sound great, but I could tell that certain sounds aren't the real instrument. Maybe I should start saving some pennies up for this. You could get a used Moog One for the same cost, so I'm not sure if it's worth it for me.
This is an arranger , not a digital piano! Why they demonstrated it this way😢
superb 🥇🥈🥉🎈🎉🎉
Can we get a reissue of the FS1R because the price is too high now
Hello Alamo Music, In pictures I see the Genos speakers always face the keyboard player. Can they be rotated to face a small audience in front of the keyboard? Thanks for this helpful video. Jerry
rotation needs longer instrument cords to swivwl the 360 degrees
You guys ignored the most important question, which is "who is this instrument for?" It's not a home instrument because it's too unattractive, complicated and expensive. And it's not really a band instrument because the drum machine and autoplay features aren't needed in a combo. It's really intended for professional musicians who perform alone, for example in a bar or restaurant. They don't have backing musicians and need to be able to produce a full arrangement from a single keyboard. And the Genos can do that convincingly, once you get good at playing it. That's definitely a niche case, which is why most recording and band musicians would never consider it as, say, an alternative to a Montage. Incidentally, your demos don't really show that off properly.
If this is what you need from your instrument, than the Genos is the best that there is. But for most people and even most professionals, it's not really relevant.
I Geoff, if I wanted to make my own compositions (solo) using keyboards and memory banks, would the Yam Genos or Montage be better - from a solo artist point of view who is making recording (not making live music, just composing recordings). Thanks.
@@oscarsheen3045 If you're using a DAW or recording multi-track, than the Montage is a better choice. The Montage can do drum tracks, bass lines and expressive performances. The advantages of the Genos are that you can set up arrangements of bass, drums and lead instrument and then play these back (with variations) quickly in a live setting. That's important for doing a full arrangement of a song as a solo live performer, but it doesn't give you any real advantages as a composer or recording artist. In fact, the Montage has some performance advantages for a keyboard player including a better action, the Superknob and scenes. The instrument sounds on the Montage are just as good, and it's more versitile as a synthesizer for creating new sounds. Finally, the Montage is about half the price of the Genos.
I use mine at home and i use it with Komplete Kontrol s49. I feel like i have the best of both worlds
thanks for this!
You can do midi sequencing on these arranger keyboards, the instrument sounds in this and even the Tyros 5 sound way more superior to
the majority of VST instruments. However I'm not going to be getting a Genos even though I did consider it, I will be either getting a black
Tyros 4 or a Tyros 5. Although it pains me to say it I'm not a big fan of the Genos's appearance but I like the black Tyros 4 because it
looks reminiscent to an arranger keyboard from the 90s but I could tolerate a silver Tyros but at least the Tyros 5 is a dark silver. Another
reason why a Tyros 4 or Tyros 5 appeals to me is because they also have a bank of legacy sounds so no matter what Tyros you get you
will still get all the sounds from a Tyros 1 regardless of which model which is ideal if say you prefer the saxophone from Tyros 2 or want
a drum kit from Tyros 1 or a clarinet from Tyros 3. The Tyros keyboards even have the XG sound set ( even though I already have a Yamaha
MU50 ). I don't even use auto accompaniments unless I wanted to arrange public domain songs like traditional Christmas carols. I always
sequence everything when I am doing song covers ( there is even an onboard sequencer on most arrangers ).
Any differents vs awm2 in the montage? Feel to me the sound qulity is the same.
Yeh I think it's different not awm2 but awm1
According to the specs...the Genos "workstation" isn't a workstation(i.e., no pattern-based recording with a copy & paste function, insert effects & deep editing.) If this is the case, this keyboard is a joke(as a workstation)...for $6,000! Perhaps there is a system update that I am unaware of(that provides full workstation features, such as was done with the Yamaha Montage/MODX)....even so, the price tag is insane.
I realize that arranger keyboards are generally more expensive due to all of the programming that goes into them, but my $1,500 Roland Fantom 06 sounds just as impressive(( & the main differences are that the Genos has a display almost twice the size, more presets, libraries and storage space....but nothing really significant to justify a 6 grand price tag. If the Genos was an 88-key and went for around $4,500(that would be a realistic & fair price.)
Personally I would be happy with a Tyros 2 as you can now buy them for under a grand and the Tyros 2 still sounds
just as good as it did back in the day. In fact many of Halion 6's sounds use those same samples, especially the
drums, pianos and saxophones.
1. The price tag IS insane. Really insane. The sound palate very rich. Buy one [used] someday for half price. OR....buy a Tyros 4 or 5 soon as you can if you need an all around arranger for live performances now. These sound amazing in a live venue. In your studio you will be over picky but the audience will love your sound. I never like semi-weighte keybeds. So, , , if you are a pianist. . . Add a midi's weighted hammer action second board controller for a truerer piano feel keybed . . . like the Kawai's ES110's buttery smooth and heavenly keybed feel. Such a board will greatly enhance the AC pianos to a major auditory ACP experience. You want to ENJOY what your pianist hands touch...especially during tedious practice sessions [essential and required].
2. The Tyros and Genos keybeds are a wonderful "gem for Organ and Synth touch. Your' paying for that high quality keybed. You won't miss out on anything [as a generalist] arranger performer. . . when used for live "arranging" performance venues. . . for many future years. Now I own the Genos, The deep workstation Korg PA5X is [different animal] for much extensive production work. The Yamaha Genos and previous Tyros 3 and 4and 5 emphasis is for venue performance: very light production work if at all. . . [a huge difference].
3. Plus all these videos make them sound better than what you would ever. . . HEAR. .. even with your own powered speaker systems. Good headphones will always sound more amazing than speakers system but the 12 and 15' speakers like JBL EON [just one instance] are perfect especially the earlier speaker models "even 20 years old". . . built better. . . better materials. Don't EVER cheap out with speakers. The bigger lower speaker cone woofers bring 'out and forward' the hidden fat timbre spectrums.
Important thing you didn't mention, KORG or KETRON started correctly the MAJOR or MINEUR chords with the long intro. Cuz it has a different pattern. GENOS is awfully 🤔, hear the big differences
Fallow the lights doesn't work on psrsx700 I had 3 weeks fallow lights nothing happens for this price I expect them to work
Keyboard feels a bit cheap for a premium instrument, definitely not comparable to a DX7 keybed.
Sounds are outstanding, but I had the same issue with not being able to change the sounds.
They're not even available for purchase.
Are Arranger keyboards more popular in Europe?
Yes.
Does it have weighted keys? It better!!
No arranger keyboards don't tend to have weighted keys.
You reviewed a Genos without showing the styles....
Does it gave weighted keys?
No arranger keyboards don't tend to have weighted keys because they are not intended for pianists.
Arranger keyboards also need to be fairly lightweight so they can be taken to venues not that I would
want to take a £4,000 keyboard out of the house.
Makes no sense having someone completely unfamiliar with an arranger instrument trying to demo it ( badly ) .
The am v amp that comes out of it is not good as the mod X which am2 if they put that in the Geno's then yes it would be the best keyboard the sound quality that comes out with digital sound
My opinion is software don't sound better give me hardware
Please explain so we understand
Arranger keyboards are not intended for music production, I very nearly made the mistake of buying a
Tyros 5 thinking it would be better than Halion 6 but that is not true. Halion is better for music production
and in this instance I prefer software to hardware. The only hardware I like is PCM sound modules and
drum machines like the Roland U-220, SC-88 Pro, R-8 or a Korg sound module. But as 80s synthesizers
and lofi drum machines like the Roland TR-707 are extortionate I prefer VSTs.
@@LittleRichard1988 I respect that but this was a year ago now look at all the youtube producer's some of them told me I was crazy getting hardware now they done did a total 360 😆 🤣. As far as the arrangement keyboards go I just like going in a different direction than everyone one else. Everyone has the same VSTs I even have them. Hardware keeps you with fresh sounds
I am late to the game, because I currently have (still have I should say) a.... Drumroll.....a Casio 631!!!! yeah, I have missed a couple of decades, LOL. This thing is basically dying (cough, cough).
But seriously, how does this Keyboard Workstation stack up to a Yamaha Montage or the Modx, Montage's cheaper, younger child? Someone said that it is top of the line basic Yamaha PSS/PSRs, but much more expensive. If that is this keyboard workstation is, I will stick to getting the Montage line.
My suggestion ...until you play each for an hour or two...no written explanation will make a great reality for anyone. Arrangers serve a severely differe nt purpose than a nice Montage.
Guitar still not right, that's why guitar is so special.
Check Genos styles pack on our channel.
Kind of late to the party arn't you
This is OLD news! LOL!!!
I can't believe they are selling this for 7 grand! What a rip off!! Worth half that....maybe.
I have one . . . but strongly t agree with you. I saved up. Got it for half price. . .so it made a LOT of sense. A huge amount of sense. . . as a venue performance ARRANGER. Not a deep work station.
Brilliant sounds but not reliable. Had mine 4 years and keys not working, cannot find anyone to repair as Yamaha UK don’t maintain their web site.
Looking for something else now but won’t be touch Yamaha again. Best part of £1,000/ year for a home plinky plonk. It doesn’t get moved around, not used professionally and not humped from gig to gig. Expected better.
I bought one and I have zero use for it. It's not what I expected. And I am not interested in the sounds for my needs. What is crazy is it's ALL plastic and expensive. I have 3 other keyboards that I love. No love for the Genos. I am selling mine.
The jewel of it lies in its accompliment , not just the sound
Well I sold it. The end.@@sidhahappyface8782
A big expensive toy
korg pa4x is better
Much better
@@albianco Please give us an explanation [I do not doubt your opinion]. . . WHY, for you, is the Korg pa5x better [more enjoyalbe]. I believe you. I like the rythyms on the Korg better but greatly enjoy the richer acoustics more on the Genos models. Also I have not time or use for a wonderful work station like the Korg [editing abilities]. I have both. I will never use the deep stuff on the Korg and may sell it soon unless their December 2022 updates smooths out the acoustic instruments. The Korg AC pianos are too harsh for my ear. Yet I understand many do praise the Korg PA line. They have important reasons for why. So I will learn from and respect your opinions and experiences. Thank-you for any advice and import.
@@richievpiano I use a Korg PA1000 (same engine as the PA4x, I think), and I'm impressed with the keyboard overall, but never liked the acoustic pianos, grand pianos, etc., that came with it. I downloaded a set of pianos that someone else created, and they're better and the ones I use on gigs, but I'm still disappointed with the piano sounds overall. I have my eye on the new PA5x and hope they upgraded the pianos. At $5,000 I'm hesitant to order one without getting to play one first somewhere.. we'll see. I use the PA 1000 on solo gigs and I'm just starting to really use more of its deep features. It's an awesome keyboard.