Martin Keown ADMITS that he couldn't have defended Lionel Messi & Kylian Mbappé at his best!

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  • While previewing Argentina vs France, Martin Keown answers the question on whether he believes he could have defended Kylian Mbappé or Lionel Messi at his best. The team also give their take on it being 'Messi's World Cup' Ossie Ardiles' criticism of France and who they think will come out triumphant!
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  • @seanstrangeway457
    @seanstrangeway457 ปีที่แล้ว +378

    The fact that a 23 year old mbappe is compared to a 35 year old messi juts shows how good messi was when he was 22 to 23 years old. He was untouchable.

    • @dnap1991
      @dnap1991 ปีที่แล้ว +31

      @@CuntyMcCunter so far Mbappe has scored more UCL goals + more UCL assists than Messi at 23 + scored in 2 KO stages of a world cup vs Messi scored ZERO goals in 2010 WC.

    • @Dream-rk4te
      @Dream-rk4te ปีที่แล้ว +75

      @@dnap1991 lol whatever I'll wait for Mbappe to score 91 goals and make 22 assists in 69 games (Messi's record in 2012 when he 24 turning 25) this upcoming year. Then we'll talk.

    • @epiphany9933
      @epiphany9933 ปีที่แล้ว +61

      @@dnap1991 so far Mbappe at the age of 23 hasn’t showed any dribbling skills and passing skills like Messi at the age of 23 used to be and he hasn’t won any UCL trophy and ballon d’or having a hard time competing with Bezema at the age of 34 and Messi at the age of 35😂😂😂😂

    • @Kushagra.j
      @Kushagra.j ปีที่แล้ว +38

      @@dnap1991 yes by this logic pique is a better striker than R9 since he has more UCL goals than him

    • @miamitten1123
      @miamitten1123 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      @@epiphany9933 neither did Ronaldo. But Mbappe has a WC and might get a second aged 23.

  • @incognito4860
    @incognito4860 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    I've seen Messi do the Maradona world cup goal a hundred times, Messi is the greatest of all time
    no doubt about it, when you have Pepe, Ramos, and the rest of the Real Madrid defence kicking the
    living daylights out of him, he dosen't go off injured, he gets up and scores a hat-trick, MAGICIAN!

    • @shitturasheed3551
      @shitturasheed3551 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Messi that always go pass 3 4 5 players in the middle of the pitch where there's little space is being compared to mbappe who only has to go pass one Player at the wing. Ask casemiro and Ramos who is more difficult to defend against

  • @Gigika313
    @Gigika313 ปีที่แล้ว +38

    Don’t forget Messi had pace in his prime..Ankara Messi

  • @Mike-dk7wj
    @Mike-dk7wj ปีที่แล้ว +61

    Messi is the greatest player who has ever played along with Pele and Maradona. Mbappe isn't in his class - nowhere near it. Messi's greatness doesn't depend on him winning the World Cup, it would be a very significant bonus if he did but his legendary status is guaranteed whatever he does.

    • @blackwaterproduction289
      @blackwaterproduction289 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Mbappe is still 23 😂😂

    • @shitturasheed3551
      @shitturasheed3551 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Messi that always go pass 3 4 5 players in the middle of the pitch where there's little space is being compared to mbappe who only has to go pass one Player at the wing. Ask casemiro and Ramos who is more difficult to defend against

    • @AndreDike
      @AndreDike ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@blackwaterproduction289 What does that have to do with anything. Messi was was only 23 when they started comparing him with the Greatest, Pele and Maradona.

    • @blackwaterproduction289
      @blackwaterproduction289 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@AndreDike Yeah, but you don't compare someone who's just starting with someone who's at the finish line!

    • @rasmaru7952
      @rasmaru7952 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Mbappe better, pessi meat rider

  • @kay-dc8495
    @kay-dc8495 ปีที่แล้ว +32

    Both players are lethal af when they're in form. This will be an interesting final to say the least

  • @camere
    @camere ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Im shocked to see Keown who was a butcher as defender and angry, speaking brillantly and softly with great analysis of the games 😱

    • @Modus07
      @Modus07 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Warrior on the pitch, gentlemen off the pitch.

  • @the_pudding_boy8834
    @the_pudding_boy8834 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    this is so sad to hear..Maradona had at most 8 years from 82-90 of dominance…and in this time besides the 86 world cup there’s not a lot more of impressive silverware..and he was playing in europe..messi since 2009 has been categorically the best footballer in the planet..pick any stretch of maradona’s career..any and compare it with a similar stretch of time of messi’s and the numbers will speak for themselves..maradona was a genius but his tenure at the top was too short and he had only himself to blame for that..this is a very dangerous opinion held by men that should look pass biases but again mediocrity everywhere..

  • @thisisanewusername4662
    @thisisanewusername4662 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    the messi hatred is pathological.. these clowns are something else

  • @jasoncolemann9278
    @jasoncolemann9278 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    The question to ask Keown is would he prefer to face Messi when he was 23 yrs old v. Mpabbe right now at 23 yrs old. Messi is a different player now. People so easily forget the pace he had while keeping the ball right at his feet.

    • @Fondrom
      @Fondrom ปีที่แล้ว +4

      He still has that pace, he just uses it sparingly now

    • @mrt445
      @mrt445 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Messi is probably better now in many ways with the experience and he's physically not that far from his self at 23

    • @jasoncolemann9278
      @jasoncolemann9278 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@mrt445 he is miles what he was physically. He had more pace and quickness. That's fine, now he has more mental fortitude and can read the game better. But yeah, his pace is maybe 75% of what it was.

    • @mrt445
      @mrt445 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@jasoncolemann9278 He also lost plenty Copa Americas when he was apparently miles better than he is now and also didn't do well in previous world cups.

    • @Wow-mo3os
      @Wow-mo3os ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Fondrom It is nothing like young Messi.

  • @bonkerzisgood
    @bonkerzisgood ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Nobody comes close to Messi. His talent and further strings he's added to his bow over time haven't been replicated, even by Maradona who is 2nd

  • @pobo6689
    @pobo6689 ปีที่แล้ว +48

    Simon - when you've worked hard for something and people appreciate the exceptional quality and talent you've displayed over many years and the way you've carried yourself in public what wrong with people hoping a bit of luck goes your way and you get what you want?

    • @PyroGandhi
      @PyroGandhi ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Yeah, for me it’s like I was blessed to witness someone as far ahead as everyone in the sport in terms of records like Messi that I’m ultimately left in the position of rooting for this person to breaks the previous expectations for what a single human being is able to achieve in a sport because he may be the only one who can ever reach this opportunity in my short life time.
      rather than for Messi and Arg themselves.

    • @sayantanmazumdar3
      @sayantanmazumdar3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      For years he played the best football on the field but was cursed with bad luck on the int. level.

  • @Tunde....Ballack
    @Tunde....Ballack ปีที่แล้ว +21

    Is Keown saying it would have been harder to defend Mbappe against this Messi or against prime Messi? it wasn't really clear. Because even Viera had a torrid time against 17 y/o Messi. I remember a move where he got past Viera twice in the same move, but again maybe he's just talking about pure pace

    • @MrLifein66
      @MrLifein66 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      I think he meant prime Messi, but recency bias had him think current Messi when answering. He does make a point about Mbappe's pace, if we consider that he can just throw the ball forward from midfield and he will overtake every defender, no matter who it is, even with like 5 meters of advantage. But the thing is, he cant do that if he doesn't have that space, for example if he receives it on the side of the box already or in tight spaces. That's were Messi shines, he can just dance around every space, airtight or not. And I don't know if he's forgotten, but prime Messi was by no means slow himself.

    • @shitturasheed3551
      @shitturasheed3551 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Messi that always go pass 3 4 5 players in the middle of the pitch where there's little space is being compared to mbappe who only has to go pass one Player at the wing. Ask casemiro and Ramos who is more difficult to defend against

    • @MrLifein66
      @MrLifein66 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@shitturasheed3551 People have short memory.

    • @Tunde....Ballack
      @Tunde....Ballack ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@MrLifein66 Yeah I agree, there are tactical measures you can take against Mbappe, by covering and/or limiting the space to prevent him from getting to full speed, but "prime Messi" that was a different beast. Your best bet was always to restrict the ball from getting to him, because if the ball got to him, you just had to pray he wasn't up to it that day. Go tight, man mark, shadow mark, umbrella cover, kick and harry, they tried it all.
      If Keown really meant prime Messi then......condolences.

    • @AndreDike
      @AndreDike ปีที่แล้ว

      When did a 17yr old Messi play against Viera?

  • @Gefionius
    @Gefionius ปีที่แล้ว +26

    There is no question that Messi is the Greatest of this football era with or without the WC. We can certainly argue Maradona and Pele of their respectives. The WC would cement his angelic status in Argetina and finally get himself out of Maradona’s shadow. As to the Goat, that is a more personal decision but the quality, multi-faceted creativity and numbers Messi has put up over such a long time period in the toughest leagues and competitions in the world is mind boggling.

    • @frankcodrington3064
      @frankcodrington3064 ปีที่แล้ว

      You say Messi played in the toughest League in the World La Liga an the French League is the toughest League in the World why didn't Messi come to play in England like CR7 I'll tell you why Messi never wanted to come to England an played because he can not handle to rough an tough EPL.

    • @jimsim8736
      @jimsim8736 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      @@frankcodrington3064 Messi was the most fouled player in Europe practically every season, it’s clear you rarely if ever watched Spanish football.
      Numerous times Messi just avoided leg breaking tackles.

    • @frankcodrington3064
      @frankcodrington3064 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@jimsim8736 everyone in the World knows that La Liga is not the toughest league I have noticed the Messi fans like to argue for everything I made my point everyone knows La Liga is not the toughest league in Europe okay I don't have time to argue.

    • @jimsim8736
      @jimsim8736 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      @@frankcodrington3064 La Ligament was literally ranked the toughest league by UEFA from 2000-2018, they had the most teams in the top rankings, that’s a fact so your opinion on the matter is irrelevant.
      Spanish teams also won 50% of all European trophies during that period.
      By every metric La Liga was tougher than the EPL, you can’t argue because there’s no argument.

    • @jimsim8736
      @jimsim8736 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@frankcodrington3064 I’ll pick two random years from UEFAS club rankings, 15&16.
      2015 - Spanish teams in the top 50 - 7
      English? - 6
      2016 - Spanish teams in the top 50 - 8
      English? - 6
      I can literally do this for most years, you’re clearly clueless.

  • @fashelfut
    @fashelfut ปีที่แล้ว +28

    I find it interesting that Simon would say something like “I don’t want France to win because I lived in France and I’m not a big admirer of them as people” and get away with it like it’s no big deal.
    I don’t see anything wrong with what he said because that’s human nature - but imagine an African or South American coming on talksport saying “I don’t want England to win because I don’t like them as people”. 😂

    • @bjw509
      @bjw509 ปีที่แล้ว

      To be fair they just sing crude songs, post them on Instagram then come back and take the pound note from their English clubs instead.

    • @allanlindsay7338
      @allanlindsay7338 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      If that’s someones opinion then they are perfectly fine to say it ! Stop being offended you blouse

    • @richardhenderson1902
      @richardhenderson1902 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Literally millions of people say exactly that… and I don’t think it bothers many of us

    • @olivierb9716
      @olivierb9716 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      fine,he can go elsewhere , and we don't love him.

    • @Samuel-ug9ko
      @Samuel-ug9ko ปีที่แล้ว +2

      To be fair some not all french people are arrogant. Imo

  • @Carlos.PerlaRE
    @Carlos.PerlaRE ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Messi walking is better than Mbappe running. We walks more than 80% of the game and still you can't stop him.

    • @pjoseph5950
      @pjoseph5950 ปีที่แล้ว

      🤣🤣 very true 👍

    • @ajaycyriljose9419
      @ajaycyriljose9419 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Enter prime germany.

    • @Carlos.PerlaRE
      @Carlos.PerlaRE 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@ajaycyriljose9419 Germany was outplayed by Argentina. Watch the game all over again.

    • @ajaycyriljose9419
      @ajaycyriljose9419 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Carlos.PerlaRE Argentina having 0 shots on target is called out playing ?

    • @Carlos.PerlaRE
      @Carlos.PerlaRE 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@ajaycyriljose9419 shots on targets are not the only barometer as to what team is dominating.

  • @richardgardner7457
    @richardgardner7457 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Don’t know why people rate Maradona over Messi and ronaldo, numbers don’t lie

    • @Plutooidoesthis
      @Plutooidoesthis ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Ablity wise he much better then ronaldo

    • @richardgardner7457
      @richardgardner7457 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@Plutooidoesthis ?!? Ability to score goals ronaldo is better

    • @draoicht22
      @draoicht22 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah f@#$&*! Tapinaldo

    • @richardgardner7457
      @richardgardner7457 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@draoicht22 go watch his goal against juve or his one for united against Porto, he’s probably scored more goals from outside the box then cokadona scored in his whole career

    • @matthewjohal7635
      @matthewjohal7635 ปีที่แล้ว

      Honestly it's just that he's their favourite player and they believe it to the point of obsession. Nobody can dare say their idol isn't the best ever! Football knowledge and sense goes out the window.

  • @peterp7541
    @peterp7541 ปีที่แล้ว +35

    I love seeing the English media underestimating Argentina.....keep going (-;

    • @boxinglegend3060
      @boxinglegend3060 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      France are too good for Argentina 3-1 France

    • @bouyonnation767
      @bouyonnation767 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      In messi prime ?? Are u ten yrs old or u just another english ? No player presently is half as talented as messi ij his prime..messi at mbappe age had 3 ballon dors...tgats individual talent.

    • @tomgardner2253
      @tomgardner2253 ปีที่แล้ว

      Are you joking the anti France sentiment is out in full force!

    • @kaikualakaurintah3604
      @kaikualakaurintah3604 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@boxinglegend3060 really ??haven't you watch the semi final match..?...luckily Morocco doesnt have a straight shooter or else France will be out..(Morocco has more in possession, shots, pass accuracy etc...

  • @Chakirisan
    @Chakirisan ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Brazil made a mistake that Argentina did not, they stopped pressuring opposing players when they took the lead. As soon as Brazil took their foot off the gas they were done. If you watched Argentina against Croatia they never stopped putting pressure on the ball carrier from midfield into the defensive zone, even when leading by 3 goals. Brazil had plenty of talent to win but lost because of tactics. France plays a similar game always looking to steal the ball and push the counter attack, should be a great game.

    • @AndreDike
      @AndreDike ปีที่แล้ว

      Its crazy how they you use hardcore midfield over all that area.

  • @TomBerishaj
    @TomBerishaj ปีที่แล้ว +12

    This mentality is why the English don't win. Yes, Mbappe's pace is frightening, but they are more worried about that one trait than playing against the greatest player of all time. English football is obsessed with measurables like pace, height, etc., to the detriment of intelligence and genius. Mbappe has never and will never go on a run of scoring 60 and 70 goals a season like Messi.

    • @ally4131
      @ally4131 ปีที่แล้ว

      I’m English and it’s frustrating how dumb our pundits are.

    • @sammybeck4855
      @sammybeck4855 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Spot on

    • @arghajeetghosh2906
      @arghajeetghosh2906 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Doesn't matter he will keep winning world cups
      Which is dream for pessi ❤
      Pessi will be thrashed on Sunday with France c team 😍

    • @sammybeck4855
      @sammybeck4855 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@arghajeetghosh2906 Pessi? Get a grip lad

    • @arghajeetghosh2906
      @arghajeetghosh2906 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@sammybeck4855 peesi dog ❤ small child of kylien mbappe 😍

  • @Dream-rk4te
    @Dream-rk4te ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Dang, no one is talkimg about Messi and Ronaldo anymore. Now it's Messi and Mbappé.

    • @miamitten1123
      @miamitten1123 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Of course. They’re both in a final ‘genius’.

    • @modassirakhtar7220
      @modassirakhtar7220 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Ronaldo is finished

    • @martindunwell6099
      @martindunwell6099 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Because Ronaldo fans are now mbappe fans they lost the first race and now are backing mbappe i would look no further than the man City strike force for best in the world very soon

    • @matthewjohal7635
      @matthewjohal7635 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Ronaldo is done.

    • @DarrenSimpson____
      @DarrenSimpson____ ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I love Messi I think his better but it’s getting out of hand the disrespect Ronaldo is getting personally mbappe is not touching Ronaldo and Messi I am sorry those two have changed the game and make me truly love the art of football scoring assisting clutch moments the conversation right now is mbappe and Messi which is fair because of the final but it’s always going to be Messi and Ronaldo I love them both Inlove football and cannot hate one or the other

  • @bugsnax4145
    @bugsnax4145 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    Messi has been flooding the headlines with his outstanding plays and Mbappe floods the headlines with his lack of defending. One has been the heart of the team and the other has just been part of the team.
    I love everyone counting out Argentina this whole tournament and being proven wrong.
    "Where is Messi"
    Was a thing when this tournament started lets not forget that. This only fuels this Argentina squad cause at the moment they are the ones playing with more heart

    • @rickzane6433
      @rickzane6433 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Two different positions.
      Griezmann is more comparable to Messi's role.
      And Griezmann defends a lot.

    • @samwised6703
      @samwised6703 ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@rickzane6433, yeah Mbappe's role is to make holes in defense

  • @sambagogo777
    @sambagogo777 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Keown would have tried kicking Mbappe and Messi into the stand at Highbury!

    • @Kushagra.j
      @Kushagra.j ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Idk about Mbappe but he would have been embarrassed by any Messi and would have been utterly humidity by Prime Messi

  • @javierechezarreta4623
    @javierechezarreta4623 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    See any pass with Messi in any video in WC. He is guarded with at least 3 defenders. Mbappe only one. Just don let him free to run with the ball.
    Besides 35 at this level is insane.
    No more to say.

  • @elizabethcsicsery-ronay1633
    @elizabethcsicsery-ronay1633 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Boy, were they all wrong! Argentina won. And they're wrong about Mbappe. He was brilliant at the final, but he's nowhere near Messi. Martin is wrong about Mbappe being harder to defend. England stopped with him with only two defenders. Messi has two defenders for breakfast. Simon is a hard-ass cynic and like most cynics, he gets it wrong. He simply does not understand Messi. Messi is the greatest bc he has another dimension to him that Simon does not get and will never get. So he'll always miss the point.

  • @mrfacts6860
    @mrfacts6860 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Messi at 35 outshines the world urs insane most goals Most assists Most chances created vs a 23 year old in his prime with 0 goals and 0.assist in knockout round games

    • @miamitten1123
      @miamitten1123 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Mbappe has 5 goals already. Plus, he already has a WC where he scored in the final.

    • @flonaldobenitochrismondo1221
      @flonaldobenitochrismondo1221 ปีที่แล้ว

      Mbappe scored against poland genius

    • @darwinodriscoll7750
      @darwinodriscoll7750 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@miamitten1123 mbappe is playing for France who not only have superstars everywhere but won a wc last time. Messi is 35 and if u watch football u know players at that age are at a massive disadvantage and yet he’s lvl with mbappe on goals and has 1 more assist with a lower ranked team and his team isn’t in the top 5 most expensive team so messi is too good

  • @elchoppo1160
    @elchoppo1160 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    Lionel Messi ? Keown would struggle to defend Lionel Richie !

  • @amdistant5547
    @amdistant5547 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    They talk about Mbappe's pace, wonder who was faster at the same age of 22. I remember Beckham saying I knew it was time to retire when Messi ran past me and I didn't have the legs to catch him up.

    • @BluesFanUK_
      @BluesFanUK_ ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Messi's never had the electric pace Mbappe has, what he had though was insane acceleration, one drop of the shoulder and gone, that's all that matters in football, first few yards are everything. Hazard used to do it for us non-stop, reality is he wasn't fast himself. The real test of Mbappe's metal will be how he adapts when the pace goes. Owen was robbed of it by the time he was 21/22, he''d better hope the same doesn't happen to him.

    • @marcoar4042
      @marcoar4042 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@BluesFanUK_ Put France v Argentina 2000 into your TH-cam search bar and then let me know what your definition of "electric pace" is. I still haven't seen a player move at such speed with the ball as was displayed in that game. Messi at his peak had electric pace and electric acceleration

    • @BluesFanUK_
      @BluesFanUK_ ปีที่แล้ว

      @@marcoar4042 Nope, Messi's always been quick but he's never had the sprinters pace Mbappe has, that's just facts. Like I said, the first few yards are all that matter, once Messi dropped you that was it, you can't recover from it unless the team are set up to have a 2nd and 3rd marker. With Mbappe if there's clear space to run into he can exploit it like Bale used to do. Pace terrifies defenders. I can't stand Mbappe, and Messi is a considerably better player, but it's lies to say Messi used to have electric pace.

    • @elizabethcsicsery-ronay1633
      @elizabethcsicsery-ronay1633 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@BluesFanUK_ mettle

  • @mrbigbosskojak
    @mrbigbosskojak ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I was in the queue beside Martin Keown at Heathrow airport once. Physically , he's a very imposing lad. All muscle. I think he's being modest here.

  • @farailangton6447
    @farailangton6447 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    But this tournament Griezmann was better than Mbappe in my opinion, or is scoring a goal what makes you a good player?... If that's the case what about Giroud?

    • @Javggoat
      @Javggoat ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Griezmann better than pessi to be only scores penalties

    • @dnap1991
      @dnap1991 ปีที่แล้ว

      griezmann has been great but better than Mbappe in only 2 games. All the other ones mbappe was clear MOTM

    • @miamitten1123
      @miamitten1123 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Scoring is the aim of the game. Also, Mbappe has 5 goals. Level with Messi.

    • @AccessDenied9095
      @AccessDenied9095 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Javggoat pain is intense for you🙃

    • @emki542
      @emki542 ปีที่แล้ว

      Don’t be silly . Messi had the best Barcelona experience players in his team and won what he got . It’s until last year Argentina even lifted an international trophy shame on you .

  • @BluesFanUK_
    @BluesFanUK_ ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Messi at 23, one drop of the shoulder and he's gone. Don't like Rio, but he knows his stuff, as central defender you can't defend against that false 9 role, especially when it's someone as elusive as Messi there. You can defend pace, we showed that against France. Put it this way - cut the space on a prime Mbappe and he has no where to go. Cut the space on a prime Messi and he finds a way through however many have surrounded him.

  • @mdi3024
    @mdi3024 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Keown thinking he knows how to stop messi but everyother defender who have actually played against him don't shows you that it's easier to talk about something than to do something about it

  • @bobbypukes605
    @bobbypukes605 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    those two (at their best) would have had Keown (not even an England first choice defender) on toast.

  • @jtmmmm27
    @jtmmmm27 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    The game has changed so much since Martin played, the reason there wasn't many flair/fast players back then was because they be booted into oblivion.

    • @jmadz9054
      @jmadz9054 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Facts

    • @jb894
      @jb894 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      There were though

    • @KINGKING10109
      @KINGKING10109 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Really?😅 I think there were farrrr move Flair & Technically gifted players back then😅.
      I feel like the standard of football players have significantly declined over the years.
      Now Football players are expected to be cross country runners first before ability even kick in.
      I can’t even name 10 genuinely world class creative midfielders or 10 world class inverted wingers/wide forwards under the age of 30

    • @Dercudez
      @Dercudez ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@KINGKING10109 there are flair players now too football is just way more systematic now with less freedom to express yourself. Also flair & tricky players are criticised a lot nowadays. For example Antony was under a lot of scrutiny not too long ago for ‘showboating’ during a match whereas back then they’d appreciate a player back then for showing skill whereas now it’s frowned upon. Especially in England.

    • @KINGKING10109
      @KINGKING10109 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@Dercudez I think also a lot of these pragmatic managers have a lot to blame also.
      I was dead cert Januzaj was gonna be a world beater, but he diminished under Van Gaal.
      The likes of Mata & De Bruyne under Mourinho etc.
      It all stems down to the academies now.
      Everyone has to be a “pressing monster” first.
      But when you look back at things, some of the greatest more exciting players ever never Pressed.
      Messi, Ronaldinho, Zola, Bergkamp, Zidane etc.
      This is why there’s been so many upsets at this World Cup, the gap between the big & small teams are a lot smaller, cause it’s now down to who works harder rather than who has more quality.
      If you gave Morocco a half decent striker like that Iranian striker & I think they would’ve beaten France

  • @daltonpolius5238
    @daltonpolius5238 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    lol mbappe has to be reincarnated to be as good a player as messi . mbappe is a moments player. messi runs a game. real football people will know that greizmann has been france"s best player

  • @KingJaffeJoffer99
    @KingJaffeJoffer99 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Mbappe harder to defend than Messi? I'd have loved to have seen a prime keown defend a 17-32 year old Messi, would have been murder!!!

  • @jaymfom6963
    @jaymfom6963 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Still haven’t heard an apology from all three knobs for getting it sooo wrong! 😂

  • @Gigika313
    @Gigika313 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You can’t just someone else is better or 🐐 over messi and not say the reason..

  • @sgtaneja
    @sgtaneja ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Race for Golden Boot:
    Messi, ARG (5, 3)
    Mbappe', FRA (5, 2)
    Giroud, FRA (4)
    Alvarez, ARG (4)
    Usually awarded to the Highest goal scorer in FIFA world cup.
    However, if there is a TIE then the number of successful assists are also seen, in which case Messi has 3 assists with 5 goals and Mbappe has 2 assists with 5 goals .
    If that too ties, then 3 additional parameters are used - "number of minutes played", "quality of goals" and "degree of difficulty " are looked at while scoring the goals as well as the "impact it had for the team".
    If there is a TIE between for example Messi & Mbappe' Golden Boot should go to Mbappe' simply bcoz Mbappe played less minutes than Messi (Mbappe came as substitute for 1 match much later).
    Also, 3 out of 5 Messi's goals came from penalty kicks in matches against KSA, NED, CRO),
    If you analyze the goals carefully, Mbappe's (5) and Alvarez's (4) goals were of highest quality, followed by Giroud and then Messi.
    Hence, it teams of quality of goals highest being first , lowest being last:
    Mbappe (5)
    Alvarez (4)
    Giroud (4)
    Messi (5)
    If Messi scores more than the other 3, he will win although 3 of his 5 goals have come from penalty kicks, but in case of TIE based on goals & assists, I think it would be unfair to give Messi Golden Boot in my opinion.
    The twist is if both Alvarez and Giroud score 1 goal each resulting in 4 way TIE on number of goals or either of them score 2 goals leaving both Mbappe or Messi out of the race !!

  • @maxp5422
    @maxp5422 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Rabiot needs to come back he's been class he will dominate midfield

  • @gontrandjojo9747
    @gontrandjojo9747 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Mbappe is a great goalscorer. He will become better than Henry/Trezeguet (in fact he already is) or any goalscoarer France ever had, and he will break all records of the French national team when it comes to score goals. But that's it. He is not a playmaker so in this case he is not even at the level of Platini or Zidane who brought MUCH more than goals. So let's not compare him with Messi, he is not and will never be at his level. Messi is not only about scoring goals.

  • @amenchangkiri4470
    @amenchangkiri4470 ปีที่แล้ว

    We will find out on sunday

  • @lfcspectre4335
    @lfcspectre4335 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Like that time when Martin Keown couldn't defend against Titi Camara in 2000 at Highbury.

    • @TheLlamaKid
      @TheLlamaKid ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Facts

    • @sammybeck4855
      @sammybeck4855 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      LFC Spectre = Top LAD Proper Clobber

    • @sammybeck4855
      @sammybeck4855 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@TheLlamaKid Mark Larmz = Top LAD Proper Clobber

    • @boxinglegend3060
      @boxinglegend3060 ปีที่แล้ว

      Like when won the premier league twice and Fa cups????????

  • @jhamielw6920
    @jhamielw6920 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Messi v CR7 isnt a debate anymore. It's not subjective anymore. It is fact. Messi G.O.A.T.

  • @tweedlio2763
    @tweedlio2763 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The fact that keown would rather face Mbappe shows us his brain is not made for football. He was a poor gary neville, dragged to trophies by Adams.

  • @englishwithunclechris7784
    @englishwithunclechris7784 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Ardiles was spot on!

  • @maxpaws3977
    @maxpaws3977 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Mbappe is very good but mega overhyped.

    • @miamitten1123
      @miamitten1123 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That would imply he’s not good.

    • @maxpaws3977
      @maxpaws3977 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@miamitten1123 No, it would imply he's very good but not world best or even to become that. In my opinion

  • @faudjama6956
    @faudjama6956 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Argentina struggled with the long ball against the Dutch. France may take advantage of that with giroud

    • @user-om4fo3vg3u
      @user-om4fo3vg3u ปีที่แล้ว

      France won't put 4 Tall MF's up front.

    • @xsanther3155
      @xsanther3155 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      The dutch team had multiple Giants, that is what made it difficult for argentina

    • @thisisanewusername4662
      @thisisanewusername4662 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      only for 10 minutes

    • @thisisanewusername4662
      @thisisanewusername4662 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      they dominated the dutch for 30 minutes in extra time.. struggled my foot

    • @faudjama6956
      @faudjama6956 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@thisisanewusername4662 the Dutch stopped the long ball tactics after the equaliser which suited Argentina, hence why they dominated in extra time

  • @epiphany9933
    @epiphany9933 ปีที่แล้ว +25

    Messi at the AGE of 35 competing neck and neck with a speedster Mbappe at the of 23 in his prime speaks for itself a lot.
    C’mon, we all know that Mbappe is not a real baller.
    The lines of the goat have to be the likes of Pele,Maradona and Messi with a playmaking skills + goal scoring skills.
    Mbappe hasn’t got that dribbling, vision and passing skills high enough to be called the GOAT

    • @thefan974
      @thefan974 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      And cr7. Now you're supposed to say cr7 can't playmake . He'll never be the goat.

    • @Kwab116
      @Kwab116 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      For real. You can’t even compare mbappe to messi

    • @miamitten1123
      @miamitten1123 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      _”Baller!?”_ The fact that a British boy is using American basketball 🏀 term tells me you know nothing about the game.

    • @epiphany9933
      @epiphany9933 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@miamitten1123 you are just a sore Mbappe fanboy😂😂😂
      Keep crying.
      Im putting up a logical fact but you are just criticizing me for a mere usage of term 😂😂
      What does that suggest??? Huh??

    • @calm123
      @calm123 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      23 is not prime wtf, Mbappe still a kid

  • @Tarek_ElMaddah
    @Tarek_ElMaddah ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Quite happy that Argentina 🇦🇷 won it to shut up the English haters

  • @manjurhasanchisti2264
    @manjurhasanchisti2264 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Is it world championship or rivalry between 2 person? I know to play football you need 11+11=22 person.

  • @joelstevens6792
    @joelstevens6792 ปีที่แล้ว

    Jordan Keown is low key the best duo in football, would have a pint with these 2

  • @clairew7511
    @clairew7511 ปีที่แล้ว

    Do they look back at what they've said?

  • @ToneVarela
    @ToneVarela ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Para mim o melhor e Messi duque o frances! Nem a comparação!! 🥰😍😘😍

  • @npaopa
    @npaopa ปีที่แล้ว

    Thought is a game of mind of own desire to its love or like the thing is

  • @nafiswazed8722
    @nafiswazed8722 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I guess they were all wrong.

  • @user-ys7eg8ev7f
    @user-ys7eg8ev7f ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Mr. Keown that’s an interesting fashion choice 😂😂😂

  • @richardhenderson1902
    @richardhenderson1902 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    At his best?? Keown couldn’t get near him at his worst

  • @sameerhossain5428
    @sameerhossain5428 ปีที่แล้ว

    U need to refresh ur memories. Defending a 23 yr old messi is no ones cup of tea. He was blazingly fast and even faster with the ball 👍

  • @henriebillz785
    @henriebillz785 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Messi and the whole Argentina squad proved you all wrong once again.

  • @bravoanane
    @bravoanane ปีที่แล้ว

    You don’t need to watch a game of football to compare stats. Let that sink in.

  • @meanjeand1608
    @meanjeand1608 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Bro you cannot compare mbappe to Messi !!!

  • @scotthiddleston8590
    @scotthiddleston8590 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I thought Brazil were poor as ..suprised Martin said that ..

  • @pritam_chavan10
    @pritam_chavan10 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Left side guy is jealous of Messi for suru. he must be Ronaldo fan. I can't Imagine his reaction when Argentina lift the world cup.

  • @mariusschulz2926
    @mariusschulz2926 ปีที่แล้ว

    Ofc Martin could have handled them. Maybe Not every day, but often enough.

  • @jonterry3066
    @jonterry3066 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    France 1 Argentina 2

  • @leonhughes9014
    @leonhughes9014 ปีที่แล้ว

    Martin hast got a clue what he's on about ... Greizmann had one outstanding cross which is not what he normally does. Greizmann had more space cos Mbappe was covered more.. obvious the midfielders would get a little more space. Greizmann benefits from Mbappes status.

  • @mrfacts6860
    @mrfacts6860 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Mpbabe is just a speed merchant he can't dribble at mbappe s age messi.had 3 ballon d'or he couldn't lace messis boots

    • @miamitten1123
      @miamitten1123 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Also had Eto’o, Ronaldinho, Henry, Xavi, Ineska, Putin etc to help make that happen. As for speed. If it were so easy, why can’t others do it?

    • @darwinodriscoll7750
      @darwinodriscoll7750 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@miamitten1123 also scored the most goals with assists without them either

  • @miraj1010
    @miraj1010 ปีที่แล้ว

    i always said if you control mbappe and griezmann then arg can win it easy
    dominated like crazy till 75 min mark when both were controlled
    and mbappe was let loose then

  • @Kwab116
    @Kwab116 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    3-1 Argentina it’s written

    • @rickzane6433
      @rickzane6433 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      3 red cards to 1.

    • @thisisanewusername4662
      @thisisanewusername4662 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@rickzane6433 in your wet dreams

    • @rickzane6433
      @rickzane6433 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@thisisanewusername4662 I need more moisturizing, it is pretty dry where I live.

  • @Matt-yq4zr
    @Matt-yq4zr ปีที่แล้ว +2

    He couldn’t even defend against Ruud Van Nistelroy 😂

  • @KlepacMovies
    @KlepacMovies ปีที่แล้ว

    Tchouameni and Rabiot are top quality but Kanté, Pogba and Griezmann was probably the most complete midfield😆🔥

  • @mrfacts6860
    @mrfacts6860 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Hate messi gets is insane front these jokes 🤣🤣🤣🤣

  • @petemitchel5622
    @petemitchel5622 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Martin keown couldn't defend Adi Akinbiyi at his best, never mind these two.

  • @patrickfarrell5092
    @patrickfarrell5092 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm getting so tired of this player comparisons, I wish people would give it a rest and just appreciate that the players in question have various attributes and leave it at that.

  • @emki542
    @emki542 ปีที่แล้ว

    His playing mind games

  • @equaloutcome421
    @equaloutcome421 ปีที่แล้ว

    Come on, Martin...... We know.....

  • @nlever
    @nlever ปีที่แล้ว

    People confuse desire with reality so often…

  • @glenarias1231
    @glenarias1231 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Argentina made France look average 😂😂😂

  • @shitturasheed3551
    @shitturasheed3551 ปีที่แล้ว

    Messi that always go pass 3 4 5 players in the middle of the pitch where there's little space is being compared to mbappe who only has to go pass one Player at the wing. Ask casemiro and Ramos who is more difficult to defend against

  • @malikethblackblade7565
    @malikethblackblade7565 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This is meruem vs netero .

    • @Dinozor3
      @Dinozor3 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      but in this case netero won

  • @abcdefg3214
    @abcdefg3214 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    No one that has ever played the game of football could of defended messi.. by far the best of all time it's not even close.. anyone that thinks otherwise at this stage doesn't love or understand this game for that matter

  • @scotthiddleston8590
    @scotthiddleston8590 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Martin Keown one of the best pundits ..like listening to him..

  • @bobfield6493
    @bobfield6493 ปีที่แล้ว

    Why is griezeman constantly referred to as the best team player. He's been the best player for France. England and Morocco both contained mbappe; easy m pace for pace. We have 👁 people

  • @nightbot1171
    @nightbot1171 ปีที่แล้ว

    But he can defend Southgate?

  • @lunesdeambiente10
    @lunesdeambiente10 ปีที่แล้ว

    Why the British media are so against messi ...is so obvious ..I know they can't produce or will ever produce a player like messi but the little.boy from rosario deserved everything..

  • @mmalameh
    @mmalameh ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Martin, what do you think now?

  • @jakesnacks1149
    @jakesnacks1149 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Livin in a scarf world

    • @Pilky_01
      @Pilky_01 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Came to the comments for the scarf jokes 😂

    • @draoicht22
      @draoicht22 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Keown fancies himself as some type of intellectual pundit lol always reviewing his notes. Maybe he thinks he's a professor

  • @jameswormald4536
    @jameswormald4536 ปีที่แล้ว

    shocking revelation from Martin.

  • @michaelcorleone7598
    @michaelcorleone7598 ปีที่แล้ว

    The best defenders in the world can’t cope with Messi

  • @tarighd
    @tarighd ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Martin is spot on.

  • @dannyjones8602
    @dannyjones8602 ปีที่แล้ว

    Mbappe on the right???Is this fella even watching the games

  • @228142
    @228142 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    These guys forgot that any ball that Mbape was involved, produced a goal. Specially when he didn’t score.

  • @practicalengineersurveyor7049
    @practicalengineersurveyor7049 ปีที่แล้ว

    I think I should subscribe to your channel, your analysis is not sentiment based.

  • @bradrockl8330
    @bradrockl8330 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Look at them go with France now 😂😂😂😂

  • @UrbanKizBeast
    @UrbanKizBeast ปีที่แล้ว

    Keown's scarves gee weirder with time 😂

  • @easybandzofficial6456
    @easybandzofficial6456 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Mbappe the 🐐. He’s going back to back!!! Sorry Messi fans

  • @dnstone1127
    @dnstone1127 ปีที่แล้ว

    That's why Keown would never have got in Chelsea's defence.

    • @jeannotschumacher1024
      @jeannotschumacher1024 ปีที่แล้ว

      Bullshit. Keown was way better than any chelsea defwnder during his playing time.

  • @sojivadakkans
    @sojivadakkans ปีที่แล้ว

    All they did in this conversation is underestimated Argentina.france is a good team,but this trophy is destined to the hero who is the best ever played this game....That is lionel Messi.

  • @shovangupta
    @shovangupta ปีที่แล้ว

    Also, water is wet

  • @beyondtheedge5907
    @beyondtheedge5907 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Honestly mbappe is really a good player but his attitude n selfish gameplay spoils everything,,, vamos messi