I honestly feel like I wouldn't have thought this story was about racism in particular if the ticket man didn't say that one line about "other parisians paying their tickets" or something like that, because they kept avoiding explicitly stating that Sabine was a victim of racism. It also seems unrealistic because Roger knows Sabine, in a real situation if you know someone well, you'll at least hear them out and not fucking swat them over a bus ticket. They could've used a cop that didn't know her at least.
I hate to say it, it get consistent to his character. He kept throwing around tickets to anyone for the smallest thins like Luca’s mom must for talking back to him. Jeez. This guy is so annoying.
Despite this episode being odd, Marinette’s mom is awesome. One day, she’ll know Ladybug’s identity (along with Tom) and she’ll definitely make sure no one else knows her identity
Unlike hawkmoth, Lila was actually a good villain who don’t steal from 14 yr for a living- Lila backstory explain her action in so piss they threw her character under a bus
You say that, but what if she knew Marinette's mom was teaching the class? I know i am really reaching here, but how devastated would you be if you found out this was a rouse for her to gather information or something?
Roger really Pissed Me off. Not only is this like the one time Paris police literally trys to Defend it self from Akumatized Villian using every resources available to it but then also he decided not to listen to Ladybug because "Injustice". Like if i was Ladybug i would seriously get this man Fired. He doesn't deserve his job. You know if he come in your bake shop again just tell him to leave. You have the right to refuse service to that Asshole.
To be fair, I think it's a bad case of character derailment in his part, almost as if the writing team decide to use him as the bad cop instead of making a new cop character. It's almost like with Jagged Stone in this season, when he was revealed to be Luka and Juleka's estranged father, and he seemed like a deadbeat dad in some of the episodes. But then again, I'm just an observer. I never watched the show other than clips or looking at fanart and theories.
Normally for any other show I would say it to add depts to the character, but knowing that there no real character development in this show I think they just grab a random character to filled the scene.
I'm honestly surprised to find out this was actually about racism: it actually makes more sense, but the race issue wasn't either mentioned explicitly or remotely hinted at... and it made everything SO confusing! They made the same mistake in "Bakerix", where it would've made SO much more sense if Roland had broken up with the rest of his family because he couldn't accept that his son had married a Chinese woman... it could've even led to a heartwarming scene of Roland finally reconciling with Tom AND apologizing to Sabine! But nooo, they had to go for a far-fetched metaphor such as "he mixed regular flour with rice flour" or something like that.
@@usernotfound_____yet alright, that's just my theory. As far as I know it wasn't confirmed... but IF Qilin really was about racism, then even more so was Bakerix. Yes, the explicit message was "you must accept change in the world"; and for some old people, marrying OUTSIDE of your own race is... quite a big change.
Rolland saying Tom added rice to white flour was a metaphor for racism in that episode. They didn't want to address it directly so they hid it in a fight about bread.
@@ephemeral2925 it’s not confirmed but you can tell that was the hidden message. Tom and his dad weren’t in speaking terms since he married Sabine. Heck Rolland doesn’t even know Marinette exists. He didn’t recognize her when she went to visit him, let alone acknowledge that she’s his granddaughter. Also pay attention to some of the things he says; granted he was talking about bread but there was more to it than that.
True, but dearest family didn’t even do Quilin justice. Watching this episode made me retroactively dislike dearest family more. We see Sabine get arrested unfairly and receive no help from a guy she knows personally and she is left without anyone to help her completely surrounded by people detaining her go no reason, and yet when an akuma comes in to feed on all those negative emotions she still spends so much time resisting it. But when she’s annoyed that her husband and in laws are not listening to her about letting Marinette decide what she wants to do with a motorcycle suddenly she gets akumatized without a fight, because I guess not being listened to in a family dispute causes more negative emotions when not being listened to while being arrested. And completely removing the handcuffs from Quilin and undercutting her theming of injustice kinda defeats the whole point of her and removes all her unique complexity. I already had been rewriting dearest family because I hate the way megakuma’s were designed and in the rewrite I didn’t have Sabine even get akumatized, and after watching Quilin I feel like that really is the best way for things to have gone.
Where was this police force when every other villain was attacking Paris? Why did they only use it on Qilin? It's honestly baffling that the episode that wants to portray racism ends with the victim having to pay the fine and the racist ticket inspector getting an apology and not seeming to learn a thing.
Honestly, as an Asian person I thought they handled the racism great. (Until the end at least) but from what occurred I could immediately tell what they were trying to hint at, (focusing on Sabine’s heritage and the train ticket man’s interestingly chosen words, such as “she’s stealing from Parisians”) I’m assuming there were some… limitations with what the creators could put out and I think they did a good job considering. I feel like with most racist interactions with Asian people, it’s not just “yOuR AsIAn yOU SuCk” blatantly said out loud, it’s (usually) more subtle like this.
I don’t think it was handled well, specifically because the racist wasn’t held accountable and Sabine was never given an apology. Hell, nobody apologized. And Sabine still had to pay the fine. Absolutely nobody offered to help her.
@@Walk_da_plank MARINETTE apologized too. Seriously, he wrote this so that these white people can get away with advert racism? This dude pisses me off.
@@milomakesmusiccovers but its not. Racist people will get away with a lot. Their choice to not hold him accountable was a real situation. Its to provoke thought
I'm quite disapointed in this episode. This could've been made a lot better. Honestly, if the wiki didn't state that it was about racism, I wouldn't have noticed it. The bus inspector just seems like a stubborn idiot that doesn't like his job. It's like you said: If they wanted to make it about racism, make it more clear. The thing that annoys me the most about that plotline, is the fact that nobody came to her defense. She sells at the most famous bakery in Paris and teaches Chinese painting at the school now. Sabine isn't as famous as Audrey Bourgeous, but surely, somebody besides Roger could recognise her and come to her defense. Honestly, for an episode focussing on Sabine, I think they should've gotten rid of the entire "racist" plotline, and focus more on the relationship between Sabine and Marinette. She obviously is the best mom in the series, so maybe we could've had an episode where she notices something is going on with Marinette and tried to figure out what's going on. Maybe some kind of misunderstanding could've gotten her akumatized in Qilin and she recognises Marinette in Ladybug after she saves Sabine. Afterwards, Sabine could understand and trust Marinettes decision to keep her identity a secret. That would explain her "Marinette is old enough to decide what she wants"-point she takes in Dearest Family. It's sad they didn't go for that plotline. Regardless, I did enjoy that we got at least a little bit of character development for Sabine. With all character development of Audrey being a bad mom and Emily probably not being any better, it's good to see that we have some character development for the best mom in the series
tbh if this episode just dropped the racism storyline and went full sabrina x marinette episode it would have worked alot better. We don't have many (If at all?) episodes that focus alot on their relationship so it would have been fun to have that more explored.
@@chrysanthemumcat2791 Emily is only in come for a bit over a year. Since we see in Wishmaker that Adrien doesn't have a dream, just "what his parents wanted him to be", I feel like Emily was still around when Adrien was being controlled. Maybe Gabe could be the worst one of the 2, but if Emily and Adrien were close (wich seems the case, since Adrien has her on her background screen and has photos of the 2 of them together), it's hard to believe that she wouldn't notice Gabe controlling Adrien. And since Emily is the one that got in a coma because of the Peacock miraculous, not Gabe, I think she is at least partly responsible for what happened, with or against her will. I feel like Adrien never had a good life, even with Emily around. Just the fact that Chloe and Felix were his only friends at the beginning of the series makes me think that. And during the series, it didn't get better at all, with Gabe becomming more and more insane and desperate to get his wish. I hope that whatever happens at the finale, things will get better for Adrien
The Bus Driver saw Sabine board the bus with her daughter as well as pay for both of their tickets, he could've easily vouched for her to the Ticket Agent. Why is this Bus Driver so inept at his job?
Well it's not hard 😭 Adrien's mom took him away from any human interaction Felix's mom is a hidden vilain Chloe's mom is narcissistic Jul&Luka's mom is a belated teen Nino's mom doesn't exist And the other moms appeared like once
The fact that a racially-focused episode *wasn't* what Astruc had in mind for Qilin, and he's now on another block spree to anyone who points that out (that it *does* feel like one), is *ASTOUNDING.* You could be the least musically inclined person out there, and still not be THIS tone-deaf. Especially to France's anti-asian issues that're *still* rampant to this day. 🤦♀️
@@cryforhelp7270 Apologies for the late response 😅 I can't provide links without YT flagging and deleting the comment, but if you look up "Thomas Astruc Qilin" on Twit, you'll find both people's reactions to the episode and a lengthy thread from Astruc himself. But to summarize his focus was on enforcement corruption, and making Mari be the better person by using her power for good. He even compared it to Uncle Ben's speech.
The exact same interview that I mentioned already about them talking about the episode is more detail specifically said that they wanted people to delete as much comments and content online about it being racism as possible about it being related to racism, although they can also see why the general public would also view the episode as such as well. I also knew exactly what the episode was going to be before it even got aired on television as well. The footage is shown on television about the Senti monster attack since it was mentioned by the series creators, even though they did not actually start making the episode idea surrounding it when they conducted the interview. They made all of the other ones referencing other ideas that they already made other, very scarcely aired on television; but nothing related to this specific exact reason. I cannot literally describe it anymore differently in a way that could make any more sense. The interview did not say where it was done at though.
The fact that city of paris even when they know shadowmoth akumatizes people by negative emotions they keep harrasing each other over the most atupid things like a lost ticket
I know that one of the occurances happened on purpose, somewhere in the series, making Hawk Moth having to very quickly change his plan to something else when he realized his mistake way too late. Gabriel is already aware of his situation that he is in, that he discussed with Natalie when she found him reading the fully completed comic strip of Marinette breaking into the house for the party. The episode is infact real, and they already planned out in advance if someone was going to try to eventually copy the episode. The episode does make perfect sense if you can somehow find the episode online to watch. We found it, but it was by a complete accident. I can tell you this thoguh, there no more way that Gabriel can get any more butterflies to make him akumatize people. I believe that we actually saw the episode when he had like literally almost all of them used up already.
This episode gave be the vibe of "people nag that Marinette is really whitewashed both appearance and culture wise, so how about her mother makes up for it by being the always perfect asian stereotype who does every single chinese thing we can think of"
I don't understand what they were thinking, they attempted to exoticfy her heritage by doing morning chores with... tai chi. In the background. Way to tell everyone we Chinese people are so exotic because we listen to music and videos while getting ready. She already has a Jackie Chan stereotype too.
@@Yuunarichu Well, I'm not a chinese person so ofc I don't know best, but I had a feeling that she' gonna end up like that. She wears traditional clothing everyday, she's super smart, she knows martial arts, and everything that we saw in this episode seemed very stereotypical to me Instead of dumping everything on Sabine, they could've made Marinette, her daughter and the protagonist actually interested in her heritage. Like, she literally can't talk to her uncle and went to Shanghai only because her crush was there
@@Carobug It would make for an interesting conflict even if she were trying teaching marinette and marinette just is not very interested. But no, the only conflict they can come up is rassism?! Thats not a bad one per se, but not the one they should have focucing on her cultural background. Also more personal, and would even fit in with her lack of interest prior. And she might try to be more and confuse sabine leading to a fight and kumatizing Has that show even a bible to holdctrack ofcharacters?!?! I guess no
This reminds me about how Adrien was originally intended to have a disability and to be required to walk with a crutch, except, the writers didn't trust themselves with properly writing Adrien's character as somebody dealing with a disability. It's a similar situation here where the writers want to imply themes of racism in this episode but didn't trust themselves enough to actually make it obvious.
But if they really wanted to do it couldn't they have researched these issues and talked to people who have dealt with these things so they could portray them properly?
The series creators definitely explained that they wanted Adrien to appear differently than what they finally decided together for the show. I do not remember what they said anymore, but it was definitely related to Adrian having a disability of some kind.
To be honest, I didn't think of the racism aspect of the episode until now. Since I'm part of the latin American fandom, I can tell you that I saw no one there interpretating the Sabine scene as xenophobic, we just thought it was weird writing as usual. And I think that's a big flop, if you want to give a message about a subject you have to make clear the subject first. Now that you tell me that the episode is trying to give an anti-racism message I can kinda of see it, but it's still not that clear to me. Idk, I just think that they could have done a great episode surrounding that topic, but it was bland and kind of pointless tbh.
Sabine did nothing wrong, the bus ticket guy was just being dramatic and racist. Roger is very out-of-character here, feeling very spineless, selfish and seems to be apathetic towards others. Apathy is the worst character trope you can do for me personally. And the whole resolution is just Marinette paying the fine to fix the issue. I'm glad Marinette is taking ownership and is suffering consequences for something, but she didn't cause her mom to get akumatized, the bus ticket guy did! Even though I actively HATE Marinette, she didn't deserve to pay, because she is innocent here, she did nothing to cause mayhem. The ultimate injustice is done, where the victims of the situation lose, and the racist jerks win. And that is something you can never teach kids! First they taught kids to give phone numbers to strangers in Sole Crusher, now they're saying racism will always win. It's a terrible message backed up by an episode filled out with out-of-character personalities. And it's a shame, because I like Sabine's daily routine (as an Asian I relate to her a lot) and Marinette is likable here. Too bad other characters had to be dislikable for that!
It's strange that the writers made Roger so stubborn in this episode, while he was a pushover in so many others. If it was a different cop that the audience didn't know, maybe plot would have worked a bit better. Or maybe suddenly giving Roger a twin brother who recently moved to Paris, and have it revealed by the real Roger at the end.
And keep in mind, he was taking the word of a one off jerk we've never seen before, where as he actually knows Sabine as this confirms, and in Rogercop he tried standing up to the mayor when he tried to make Roger overstep his own boundaries, so tell me this. Why is he not gonna try and make it clear the same way here, that he needs to know all evidence before making an arrest? Why is he suddenly the cop you hate seeing in cartoons in this episode?
I feel the episode started good, with some focus on Sabine and her POV... then it all goes bananas as soon as the ticket inspector enters the scene. Then it suddenly becomes ...outworldly.
Situations similar to this do happen in real life. I don't think this is a good episode, but that part- while it has exaggerated voice acting as usual, is a thing that can happen.
@@cryforhelp7270 I dunno, the ticket inspector getting SO fixated on somebody lying? What usually happens is you're told that it doesn't matter if did buy your ticket, if you don't have it when the inspector asks you, you've gotta pay. Ofc that would've ended the episode pronto. So instead they opted for this overly-long tirade, where the inspector won't even believe that Sabine has a daughter at all, even as Roger himself - a police officer - confirms her story and says he personally knows her, the inspector goes on to treat Sabine as if she were a confirmed terrorist or something, going as far as having her arrested instead of just being fined. Arrested by cops who are clearly wearing anti-riot gear. Before she's even akumatized. And then Roger threatens to call the army. It only "makes sense" (obligatory quotes) if you take into account that i twas intended as representation of racism: the inspector was actually persecuting Sabine for being Asian. But the way it's portrayed is... ridiculous, utterly ridiculous.
*Why the hell is the ticket inspector asking people getting off the bus if they have a ticket?* This is ridiculous. Normally the inspectors get on the bus and when the bus is moving, they start checking the passengers. This is so contrived and nonsensical.
Maybe I’m just oblivious, but when I watched the episode I didn’t even realize it was about racism, I’m used to bad writing from this show, especially with villains like Chloé and Gabriel who have had many moments where they disregard their actual motivations and intentions and just do evil for evils sake, so I just assumed the ticket guy was a terribly written antagonist with no motivation but he evil for no reason. Even after realizing this was supposed to be a depiction of racism, I feel like they didn’t actually write the episode to be about racism. The episode is about Marinette and her relationship with her mother, the central focus is mostly about Marinette trying to spend time with her mother and get her a Mother’s Day present. The plot line with the cops feels more like a subplot tacked on to give Sabine and akumatized motivation and to also let them add the cops as an extra obstacle in the akuma fight like in rogercop. This is why at the end Marinette is the one who apologizes and pays the fine, because this episode was less about actually focusing on the issue of racism they tried to cover and instead is about their main character trying to do something nice for her mom. If they wanted to cover racism so they could say that they made an episode about racism, they could at least treat the racism plot line as more important than a belated Mother’s Day story.
While i watched the episode, i had the impression, that this inspektor was on a huge power trip. Yes, Sabine had no tickets but the way he treated her was just not fair. Especially when she said, that Roger knew her and her family. When he throwed her bag and belongings into a dirt puddle, because her phone was ringing and breaking her picture (and maybe also damaging her phone too) he crossed the line of being unfair right into criminal behaviour. That this (and Bakerix) should be racist episodes first came to me, when someone in the comments said it to me.
This is probably the only time I was able to stomach watching Marinette on screen. And I'll admit she was written well here. She wasn't creepy, she wasn't after Adrien, none of that. She just wanted to get her a mom a late mother's day gift. And honestly that's really sweet.
@@kou7191 yeah I agery with that marinette anyoning she my least favorite character even chole better than her and I hate chole marinette just a creepy annoying stalker she reminds me of dave form total drama the way Dave was obsessed with sky and marinette the same with adrien and it's obvious she only ilke him for his looks and nothing else my point is marinette is a trash character and trash protagonist in my opinion
You know, the entire first part of the episode Sabine looks like she knows what's up when talking about Martinete not sleeping well due to her "group project" and doesn't bat an eye about Marinette's volley of excuses. Then again might also just be bad writing and animation
Also the fact that she sed in her art class when Lb and CatNoire pass by,that "those poor teens work too hard" and the fact that she put the TV on news in that morning,but that coude be a coincident
I believe that she actually made the sentimonster appear in the square. The reasonings might have been explained later on in the show somewhere. I know they prepare everything about the show in sequence to watch somewhere online if they have it planned out already. I know that they did not make it yet when they intially made this episode. They might have explained that they spent the money for designing and planning the episode on doing other interviews or something like that.
completely off-topic, but did anyone else notice that in wishmaker, Luka found out Ladybugs and Cat Noirs identities, but that that'd also mean that Sass knows too?
Well, Tikki and Plagg do know the identities too. But because of magical restrictions, they can't say the names and i think that goes with the rest of the Kwamis
Her mom's being observant of her child doesn't make her a puppet master. Also her extreme planning with a clumsy daughter and husband is just showing her mad mom and wife skills. It also shows where marinate gets her extreme planning skills. Just being picky😄 I love your reviews
12:55 The Bus Driver's not the ONLY one who should've spoken up, let's not forget the dude in the wheelchair! The Hawaiian-shirt guy that's in EVERY episode gets a pass in my opinion as he was facing away from the situation and could've toned it out since his back was turned.
They explained that it was related to the disability abusive rights of the local transit system or something like that, specifically for that episode at least. They also knew that a entire thread of conversation would be over social media once the episode would finally get out.
Can't belive people like this these days ya know? when it comes to divinity in this world, i can't help but to lose my patience, there are times when i take my anger out on other people even tho i didn't really mean it, it just hurts me to see people treated like this, and still do! like come on! this is the 21st century! give everyone a break!!!! sorry that i got mad, i just needed to speak my mind about this
Unconvinced the episode was even focusing on racial issues; Marinette took back the fine (which was supposedly given in act of racism,) apologized and paid it herself. Except, Sabine still ended up paying for it since Marinette didn't have the money.
I dont understand why she changed her name (as told in the shanghai special) when she's clearly so comfortable and close to the other aspects of her culture
I was honestly anoyed that Sabine didn't even try to talk to the bus driver that not only saw her pay the ticket but also saw Marinette because SHE presented her to him. That error could have easily be fixed if she tried to go to the front to talk to the bus driver and the racist jerk didn't let her, asuming she was just trying to find a way to run away from him and didn't want to hear anything if the bus driver asked what's going on back there
It was not the intent of how the episode was originally made, and it was specifically that part of the episode that they already knew that the public would not understand. It might have been one of the first things that they talked about as well.
Ture the show can definitely be viewed as being backwards viewed by the general public, as they even had to explain Penalteam in an interview style as well. They also specifically explained that they DID NOT WANT TO release it to the general public unless they had no choice in the matter, and that they already knew that they would only watch once and then never again as well. Unfortunately the episode is infact plot relevant to another episode of the series way, way, down the line where it gets explained what Chloe knew exactly what she was doing when she was akumutized as well.
I like how at the end you made a remark about how dishonest it is for the creators to say "our show tackles racism". Because it doesn't tackle racism at all. It enables it. The resolution of the episode is literally enabling the racism seen in the episode.
so much about this episode was deeply bad beyond standard iffiness. even as an adult who knows about racial profiling, i could tell they were burying it to the point where it could be hand-waved as circumstantial to the point where i was actually wondering if they'd originally intended for it to be about that (and i was looking for it!!). but the cherry on top was marinette taking the fucking fine at the end. i would much rather they retract that it was ever meant to be about racism at this point, this episode is just outright racist in it's presentation of racial profiling ironically. both in the ways it failed to be addressed by name, and the exaggeration of aspects of it (the armoured police?! i can only presume someone realised making their recurring beat-cop character openly racist might make including him in later episodes tricky. although he's already firmly rooted in satirical-but-not-unrealistic themes of serving power over the people so i'm shocked anyone was precious about him). not to mention the very surface level, lazy treatment of sabine's culture in her daily life, although her painting class did at least seem more thought out. her dropping what is definitely a very expensive brush on the floor to trip some dude up made me wince though.
I'm genuinely suprised by how many people didn't know this was about racism and the authority that the police have...but its likely more obvious if you're a poc and are from a country where this is an issue
Same, the moment the ignorant bus ticket guy started to press Sabine I caught on immediately. And it was confirmed by all of the police force-like where was that energy towards other akumas or the lolipop sentimonster
It would have made more sense if it was from a show with good writing. But since the fans are use to mediocre writing at best, they didn't think much about it. Also, racism was barely mentioned in the episode itself and this is a kid show. That's weird, how are kids supposed to know that this is about racism, must of them aren't smart enough to grasp this type of concept when it's not heavily implied to them
To be fair, I don't think Sabine was being an SJW by requesting that the guy move from the handicap spot. I'd be upset too if someone were using a space specifically for those who are physically impaired. Plus she didn't yell at him or use violence, she just magicked the two into each others spots.
I was very excited for this episode and assumed that since it was pushed back so far in the order of the episodes, we could expect more quality and thought put into this. Presentation of discrimination missed the mark. If anything, this episode could teach that there are horrible people in the world and not everyone will learn their lesson (ticket inspector). I hardly caught the intent of representing racism, and most, if not all, children won't see it.
My first viewing of this is didnt even notice racism before I just took it as a contrived way of showing how unfair the justice system is because it's really been established that roger and the people in charge are incompetent.
The series creators explained that the episode was protesting the disability unawareness problem that is occurring on public transportation. They have their reasons for to exactly why they delayed this episode for soon from being aired on television. They already had it pre-approved to be in the show line up prior to the Risk episodes of the show. The reason I saw once online when digging up the show information. You can tell already the pattern that they are trying to hint at with the episode release order of the season, specifically made for television airing.
I think that they also said that the public might view the episode as having traces of racism in it, and they perfectly can see why if they do not see the big picture being represented here in the episode. The real question here is how many saying that there is traces of racism in the episode actually rode a bus, and saw the disability rights being abused right in front of them? Also how many of those people actually rode on that piece of public transportation in their lives. We only found out the information regarding the explanation of the episode, because we were in a very similar situation at the time.
I think they want everyone to delete all evidence of racism regarding as much as possible on the internet regarding this episode. They definitely ended their statement with a very similar response back regarding how the episode is going to be viewed as racism.
The best part is this episode in the time line is meant to be so much earlier as we know this is her first time actually changing yet for Marinette's birthday we saw the same transformation
Bro!! I checked the wiki to try and find the episode she FIRST gets akumatized into Qillin and struggled to find that, only the 2nd and 3rd being listed???
I just want to say that I was ready to throw hands with the ticket inspector like…what was his problem, like not even the driver had this much of a problem.
You know the episodes aren't made in the same animation studio... The studio that made quilin actually broke... But at least took the responsibility to actually made the episode as promise....
Thank you, I mean it THANK YOU. You mentioned every single point that was wrong in this episode. Honestly speaking, I liked the episode nonetheless, however those points mentioned really show us that this episode was good or even mediocre.
I think they did this episode TERRIBLY I liked the episode but I can say it was terrible Here's why: when I watched it, I had 0 clue it was about racial profiling, I wish I was kidding I feel like the only people who would realize the episode was about this are people who have personally gone through this or people who have knowledge about this I knew it happened but I never really got any great examples Another reason I think it's terrible is cause may I remind you that in this show Roger is basically seen as a joke, inother words the police in this show are seen like a joke And maybe this was just me but the point was to show the ticket guy was white, right? Well I just can't see it. Im sorry idk why but he doesn't look white to me for some reason
Interesting take. For me it was really obvious it was about racism especially because of how much they focused on her culture and heritage at the beginning of the ep. And how people of authority being racist is common in the media. Not to mention when sabine was explaining herself and the guy saying "oh no shes getting aggressive" which is unfairly said to poc all the time when they in fact are not being aggressive
Probably everyone who is saying that the episode involves racism in it is not looking at it in the same way that someone in the same position as the episode is talking about is in. We knew exactly what the episode was going to be detail for detail before the company even started to make it for some strange reason as well. Maybe it was the subtle hints that the show was dropping in other episodes of the show that we saw, including one of Marinette even mentioning that she was going to be one month late getting her a present for Mother's day. There was definitely also episodes talking about Marinette's mother doing Tai Chi really early in the morning, and even hinting that she and Marinette would be getting lunch together at the restaurant. Maybe that was why she was smirking in the episode. She even mentioned something about moving the laundry basket to the bottom of the stairs as well. She even mentioned something about it occurring exactly when she would be completely safe in the future to make her still able to do her routine in the future or something like that as well; even possibly admitting that she is fully aware that she knows that she is Ladybug, and letting her doing what she is doing as well. I believe thar I all I can say on social media anyways, as the very specific episodes of the show explains themselves.
Now that I am thinking about the episode with the laundry basket did have Sabine talking to herself with Marinette completely out of the picture looking directly to the people watching the show. I was grateful that I did not record any of them for later considering that are definitely what content creators would gladly want to use for their own scripts/ want to maybe upload to their own channel as well. There was also a specific one explaining exactly what the flower lady was experiencing when Marinette was communicating with Tikki as well, it was definitely made by the series creators and not a fan made episode. I know this because I saw the fan made version of it eventually and it was not the exact same thing. A couple of them actually. Each one that I saw somehow included less and less of the same exact information mentioned in tbe previous one that I just finished watching. It has done this already with the episodes being roughly the same exact experience with fan made ones being made shortly afterwards.
The thing I hate the most about this episode is that it proves my theory that Marinette and her loved ones have suffered racial prejudices, so her having racial prejudices in that one weird comic makes no sense and was just some internalized racism or empty brain moment from the writers
oh my goodness. as a poc who has experienced racism and has taught others about racism - this is just not the way to do it. i wish it was more subtle yet effective with it’s approach, maybe utilising microaggressions that poc go through everyday by just existing. it was too unbelievable and outrageous, it didn’t make it seem “normal”(racism shouldn’t be normalised, but it didn’t make it look realistic. a swat team would not be called on a chinese woman who KNOWS the police officer and bus driver as an eye witness. they really need to take a few tips from disney and their song on racism and microaggressions.
This was one of those episodes that only ...confirm, for lack of a better word, my notion that ML should've been a tween show, because several times it has tried to touch deeper or darker themes but *always* backpedals, either due to fear of parental reception, or because they assume their audience isn't intelligent enough to get it. Also, the ticket guy was so infuriating he made Lila and Chloe look like nice people. They tuned up the ¨Karen¨character up to 11 there. Also also, I kinda wanted Marinette to use the mouse miraculous again so Marinette and Ladybug could both be present simultaenously
I just love the fact that the police tries to arrest her for her non-existent tickets. Like in my country if they find out that you didn't pay to be on the bus, they would just kick you off at the next stop. So if said person was getting off at the next stop anyway they'd just get a slap on the wrist and a fine, not to get arrested.
Sabine was really the ONLY good thing about this episode. This episode did not paint ladybug in the greatest light. Forgetting Mother’s Day a month later, uses her own mothers money to buy her a gift AND pay the the fine that Sabine was cleared for! It was a nice gesture in all but what was the point?! What a smooth brain day she is having. Taking the racial issues out of the equation, the writing as a whole is just plain terrible. Everyone around Sabine had to be dumbed down and the situation was taken to the extreme for anything to work. It would be one thing if she was accused of a serious crime like stealing or something that is not “did not pay the bus fair”. An actual injustice, being accused of a crime you did not commit. If that were the case then MAYBE I could buy the writing.
True. I just love how this episode makes it seem like Felix and Sabine are the only two characters in this show who use their brain. Like I wouldn't be surprised if Sabine actually knew about Marinette being Ladybug, but doesn't tell her because she wants to let Marinette tell her out of her own will.
I really thought someone on the bus would speak up in Sabine's defense, like not even the guy she helped... I thought they might come back to that at the end, make a point about not being a silent bystander to injustice, but nope it was dropped and forgotten. The whole "resolution" of this episode ticked me off. I mean, that ticket guy was definitely throwing microaggressions at Sabine. Practically non-stop. He should've given a proper apology beyond acknowledging that she hadn't been lying like he insisted with such certainty (and he was _way_ too gleeful about enforcing the law on her, like dear gods what the heck). And I was so shocked when Marinette offered to pay the fine when they didn't have to pay it at all?! I could've sworn Roger just said they'd waive it. That's not a display of responsible behaviour, that's foolishly accepting punishment that they didn't deserve in the first place. Why would she pay a fine for not having the tickets that they actually had? And then yeah... using her mom's money... yikes... It was just layers of nonsense that they tried to pass off as a feel-good ending. It's almost impressive how heavy-handed they were with the racism/abuse of police power themes (whether they were intentional or not) while completely skirting around the issues, and then fumbling the resolution more clumsily than Marinette. Almost. And thank you for pointing out that she could have just gotten off the bus with Marinette! Or just taken her ticket out of her wallet to keep it on her! Why complicate things by waiting for her to panic-call and telling her you'll wait at the next stop when you could've just gotten off and stuck with her when you saw she wasn't going to make it back in time? Contrived, just for the plot.
Honestly having a short, 10 second scene where sabine goes "The rest of the bus can confirm that my daughter was right here, right?" and then have her look around her and everyone ignoring her, and lingering on that silence for just a second, would've shown the silent bystander, signify it's injustice, all without losing time for everything else in the episode. It's such a small addition that would've made the point just slightly clearer.
11:46 the thing about those videos is that the policemen are usually calm and confident, not giddy and high spirited, so that they appear convincing of their punishments to any third parties watching. Also, I feel like they unintentionally showed a good example of how some people(Hawkmoth) may justify their own destructive or violent acts by acting as if they're standing up to "injustices" that way.
My main issue is with Sabine’s characterization. She has supposedly been living in France for at least 15 years, and yet you expect me to believe that literally EVERYTHING she does in her routine is Chinese-themed? It feels lazy, as if the show staff couldn’t be bothered to give her actual interests in a complex way and instead decided, “she’s Chinese, so she’ll do tai-chi and teach Chinese art”.
This episode was so fking filler, it was so bad it just made me hate the ticket guy and just showed Hawkdad being weak and letting people break out of his akumatizations it’s kind of sad. I can’t wait for the finale tho there’s leaks that say Felix will get a Miraculous
May I say something controversial? I did not see this as an episode of racism. I have been in similar situations where I got in trouble for no reason or even when I did not start something like passing a note around get caught with it and get in trouble for it anyways. I feel it was one of those situations that anyone no matter what race they were would get in trouble for if they were unlucky. There are people who refuse to listen to your story and try to be open minded to it. I saw Roger being so black and white when it comes to law. He got Luca’s mom in trouble, the science teacher in trouble, even kids in trouble for the smallest things (white or not) just because they happen to break the law. They were small things that even today’s officers would not get into a fit about because they don’t matter except if they persist into a bigger problem. To be honest, I thought the Inspector was Asian and did not feel he was picking on Sabine for her race. I think he hears hundreds of these sob stories a day and hates being taken advantage of if someone tells him a sob story to get out of trouble. So yeah, this was too subtle, at least for me when it came to racism.
I've been watching Miraculous for 6 years now... It's got to the point where I literally am watching your reviews of episodes rather than the actual episodes themselves because I am so over this show! Please carry on with the witty commentary it makes my day!
The fact is that in Dearest Family, she accept being akumatized for her daughter. When in this episode she literally got arrested by the cops and still try to resist. Incredible!
Remember kids racism bad… Treat other like how you are now. You don’t people treat you unfairly and basis for basically existing without knowing you or your actions. Act kindly and etc. This episode an injustice, this is pure stupidity.
The end really disgusted me. I don't know if it's incompetence from the writers or their actual own bias talking, but it turned a message of "Racism is bad and authority figures shouldn't abuse their power above PoC" into "We need both the authoritiy figures and the victims of racism to concede some ground." And considering the whole plot around the bus may have been a reference to Rosa Parks, it means it's not just the usual "BLM has some points and so do the cops so they should find a middle ground", it can even be read as "Black people in the US should have been more lenient about racial segregation."
I didn't even know this was a episode at first i thought this was just a short thing they made of marinettes mum first and as it went on i realised it was a proper episode
You say that on marinette has gifts for Adrien but not for her mom on mothers day, the woman who gave birth to her. My god, even batman would never stood this low. Then again...
I completely missed the fact that this episode was about racism. I just thought the inspector was a jackass and for a moment wondered if he was working on commission. When Marinette offered to pay the fine I thought "No, don't encourage him." At no point was the man being reasonable and I'm disappointed that no one on the bus stood up for her, especially the bus driver who should remember her. Roger likely should be fired. He said he was being reasonable, but that was a bold face lie. About the one time he was being reasonable he was fired by a man who shouldn't have the authority to fire him. However he frequently abuses his power and writes tickets just because he is angry, including "a ticket for making me use to many tickets" and "because I said so." He has akumatized a couple of people just for being a jerk and going overboard. He also seems to be the only cop in the city who isn't part of the faceless swat time. He really should of given Sabine, a woman he has known for years, the benefit of the doubt when he can already verify part of her story and if he knows anything about Marinette he could know that she is a busy body who can wonder off. I also feel the inspector exceed his authority by ripping away her bag. I also feel this contradicts Roger's character when he refused to search Marinette's bag.
I pretty much agree with you on this episode, and its actually the #2nd worst episode of the series for me (the #1 worst episode for me is Ladybug from Season 3). The animation was just trash, and not sure about you, but I found Roger's model to be really ugly looking, like it was from Shrek or one of those old DVD features that shows behind the scenes of animated movies or TV. Also, Roger is officially worse than Chief Wiggum
The worst episode for me is still Simpleman. For me, it didn't even worked as a filler episode. But i have to agree with you on Roger here. I mean, yes Sabine didn't had a ticket at the time, the Inspector showed up and because of that, she had to pay a fine and if she can't the police has to investigate. But Roger knew Sabine and knows, that she has a daughter and that her story could be true. Get yourself a spine, you stupid police officer! That's not the first time, he had a negative appearence in the series. But i have a feeling, that it get's worse the more time in the series passes. And i don't know, how this works in Paris or France in general, but in our german transport system you can show at the station, that you had a ticket for that day and you get the fine paid back.
@@404etfrost3 Cause of Lila and how the all of the students (minus Adrien) easily believe all her lies. I just hate people who manipulate people throughout lies and are not genuinely remorseful for them. Its why I have such mixed thoughts on Lila in general too as there are things I like about her. This is going to make me sound 100% hypocritical, but one of the reasons why I like her as a villain is also why I hate her. Its complicated.
What bothered me was how Roger just kind of treated a friend like that the bus inspector made sense because they’ll always be people like that but I’m disappointed they just threw roger like that
This episode made me mad and made me hate Marinette more than I already did. Yes, it was not Marinette’s fault that the Inspector reacted irrationally, but she caused her situation. I am not mad at her absentmindedness. I have it and am not perfect, but I refuse to believe someone did not teach her tricks to improve it. My mom made sure she taught me tricks so it does not get me or both of us in sticky situations. For example, if we had an event, she taught me to triple check my purse the night and hour before to make sure everything is there. At least, the important stuff. Oh and the trick of making sure everything is in one spot so you are not fiddling around looking for everything 24/7. She taught me to not have her bail me out all of time. Sabine should not be bailing Marinette all of the time. Marinette needs to learn and she never does. How has Marinette never developed any of these skills? Also, she never prioritizes her time. I don’t buy the busy excuse anymore. She lives across the street and is always late for school because of her obsession with Adrien. She neglects her homework or whatever she needs to do because she watches his ads or news reports on a loop all of tome or memorizes his schedule and adds it to her gigantic wall calendar. Girl, sort out your priorities. Adrien is even busier than you and manages to get everything done despite being Cat Noir. Also, i agree. Why is it this girl (sorry for this horrible name, but I call her this when I am mad) has hundreds (hyperbole) of gifts for Adrien’s birthdays and Christmases, but not one gift for her mom. Sabine left Marinette with one job and she could not even do that. Sabine should not have this many fail safes to get her and her daughter out of trouble when it happens. There needs to be some discipline here. This is why Marinette never learns. And yeah, Marinette should not have used her mom’s own money to get her gift. Sabine would have appreciated the thought, but it shows how much her mom is not on her mind if she gets off the bus early and buts her something. Sabine should have kept the tickets with her, but no one is perfect. Oh and that plan of having Marinette de transform and talk to Quiln as Marinette to help get her out of trouble was quickly disregarded. This is for your mother and you could not even do that to help her. I hate this character so much.
Okay so was this episode suppose to come out before the Tiki's addiction episode? Cause it feels like a introduction to Marinette's mom akumaitzed but we seen her evil form before.
If I was the mom I would be so upset with Marinette; you took my bus ticket which ended up getting me in trouble, then when the matter was resolved, you decided then and there to act responsible and pay for the fine (that I managed to get out of paying for) with money that I have to lend you.
cool part about the bus scene with the wheelchair for me was that we saw Sabine pull out the thought vision of visualizing the plan to get the man in the wheelchair into the proper spot. Gives an idea where Marinette gets it from at the very least
New episodes of miraculous don't even feel like episodes they feel so short and like nothing happens even tho the episodes are 30 mins long but so little happens
The Robot dreamed the whole series, or Astruc's wakes up and goes to pitch the series concept to the studio (like how they wanted to end Deep Space Nine).
@@ErickSoares3 Or maybe it is Chloe dreaming the whole thing since she is so prominently developed in the series. She wakes up after going from hero to full villain.
The idea that feng shui is a real thing in miraculous ladybug feels natural to me with all the other mystical elements in the show also thinking back to simpleman it seems like marinettes family may have some connections to the miraculous as her grandfather mentioned ladybug looked like marinettes grandmother and they act sort of similar in the way they think. this could just be a goof up and them forgetting the miraculous magically makes you unable to recognise the wearer but it could also be a reference to the fact that her grandmother may have been the holder of the ladybug miraculous in the past/ is connected to them in some way. This could be why shes able to do stuff like plan super throughly and have those "visions" that we only see the heroes and villians have. and make up a slightly convoluted plan that is super niche that just so happens to work. since she was raised and taught by her mom, or it could just be in their blood like theya re naturally gifted via being descendents of someone who once used the miraculous. It could be that sabine actually has suspicions but does not want to admit it to herself that her daughter is putting herself in danger cus she would not want her daughter to be a hero because she wants to keep her safe. or yknow, miraculous brain scramble magic On lila i think that shes there only cus her mom is and she wants to spend time with her. either that or to learn more dirt on marinette so she can ruin her life. the scene does not allude to it but it makes sense that is what shed do imo. 7:24 or the nice lady that she is gives them to a few people on the way
I'm actually glad that they put lilia in the episode without any reason. Otherwise she just would be an object that creates conflict. While Felix so far is an object that pushes plot forward
I was once racially profiled and I hate this episode for what it did. Man I seriously hope that ticket inspector never appears again. When he said what a very responsible thing to do young lady to Marinette, I screamed no screw you! Don't act all friendly after you mistreated her kind mother!
whats funny abt ML having clumsy racial representation is how this isnt the first time this has happened, cus just look at how they portrayed Kagami’s race by straight up slanting her eyes to the most diagonal angle possible. Also they never even tried to make Marinette look biracial (which she is btw), since according to her heritage she’s half Chinese half Italian but she doesnt have a single hint of being Chinese in her design at all.
I was confused about it, bc they hinted there was racial bias but I couldn’t tell bc the characters were acting so cartoonish walking around it and I was wishing that it would be more clear it something you can’t really walk around, during the whole episode I was thinking i don’t think Thomas should be someone to write about issues like this unless he understands it, is actually going to write it clearly, and take it seriously, like there was that one miraculous comic I don’t like to talk about bc of what’s in it, this episode was ok but it kinda made me a little upset bc I know how Astruc is or presents himself as and it’s not rlly ok, idk if what I’m saying makes sense
The reason this episode sucks is because it tries to preach a political message about an issue that does not exist in the world of Miraculous Ladybug. Alya, Nino, Tsurugi, Kagami, baby August, Kim, Max, Manon, Nora/Anansi, Alya's twin sisters, Max's mother, Cheng Shi fu and Master Fu are all POC (three of whom are chinese) who have been akumatized and faced ZERO racial discrimination throughout the ENTIRE series. They were treated no differently from non-POC characters before or after becoming akumatized either. So it makes no sense that Sabine is suddenly facing such harsh and blatant racism out of nowhere. This racism issue does not exist before this episode or after.
it was a very tone deaf episode imo. like it was great they would cover a topic like racism, but i feel like maybe they should have had more asian writers behind the episode so that they can really write a story about racial prejudice they’ll face.
I think anyone who is poc may have noticed the racism in this episode much more quicker than others. However I do agree that they should have made it more clear that there was racial injustice (such as replacing “she’s stealing from Parisians” with something more clearer) . The miraculous team may have had some limitations on the words they could use but this shouldn't be an excuse anymore and they could have found a better way around it. However racial prejudice/injustice CAN be subtle, the miraculous team just did a bad job at it. Overall i liked this episode though since we finally got an episode focused on Sabine.
I would not let Roger shop at my top class bakery anymore. No galettes for him. I know it's not that big of a deal to bar him from a bakery, but still.
Oof a episode involving racism shame it's so clumsy with its execution it feels like they put on the kids gloves on this one which I understand because this is supposed to be a fun kids show but you could be a little deeper
The thing is kids and families shows tackle all kind of dark topics. And there aremany ways going about rassism, thats i think in most kids and family shows that held up. Like use fictional slurs, seriously most fictional worlds will have rassism explicit shown in them one firm or another. There is no reason to not be more explicit one form or another , and maybe tell she experienced that regulary?! Like how about make the cop not that evil, but let her marinet that happens all the time and how frustrating that is.
This episode started off strong for me i loved that we got to see more of Marinette's mom the way she was prepared for the morning and being able to predict how Marinette would fall down the stairs and spill the milk was cool although a small nitpick if she knew that the milk was gonna be spilled then why not move the milk but i guess Spongebob has to drink some milk too anyways this episode has pretty much convinced me that Sabine does know Marinette is Ladybug and is just acting like she doesn't know probably with the reason of Marinette will tell me when she's ready but i could be wrong Miraculous Ladybug has made many mistakes before and continues to make them on purpose once both Marinette and Sabine leave home the episode just goes downhill if Marinette knew she was gonna be late to meet up with her mom then why not transform into Ladybug and yo yo her way back home or use the horse miraculous to teleport to her room change clothes and grab what she needs instead she ran home changed clothes and didn't grab her money anyways i didn't mind the animation of the episode because i don't normally pay attention to it i had zero problems with animation for One Punch Man Season 2,Pokemon Sun & Moon and Food Wars Seasons 3-5
They explained that this episode focused more on the anti-disability awareness going on in the bus transit system. I do not think that they talked about Marinette's mother in it considering that they only prefer to talk about the current item of question when they fully talk about anything. They also take into consideration how the public will view their content as well. They definitely explained at the last bit of their conversation regarding the episode they thoguht the public might think that there is a hint of racism inside of the episode. Whatever was the exact reason that I knew what the episode was exactly might have some kind of explanation regarding Sabine maybe possibly being a former Ladybug wielder. It was definitely fully finished prior to them releasing it, probably. Otherwise why they be talking about in detail before it actually got aired?
*Lillie holds her bag with Nebby inside of it* Yeah it is pretty weird that her befriend in side of bag. Also I carry more item just my Pokémon like outfit, potions, repels and etc.
dude that ding sound when discussing the school scared me, i thought you just left in a text notification the first time but then the sound played again and for some reason that one especially jumpscared me
I honestly feel like I wouldn't have thought this story was about racism in particular if the ticket man didn't say that one line about "other parisians paying their tickets" or something like that, because they kept avoiding explicitly stating that Sabine was a victim of racism. It also seems unrealistic because Roger knows Sabine, in a real situation if you know someone well, you'll at least hear them out and not fucking swat them over a bus ticket. They could've used a cop that didn't know her at least.
Just a side thing, do you think marinette has fanfiction or faps to adrien’s magazines?
I just thought it was a convoluted conflict in general, I wasn't even thinking of the racial aspect of it while watching it
I hate to say it, it get consistent to his character. He kept throwing around tickets to anyone for the smallest thins like Luca’s mom must for talking back to him. Jeez.
This guy is so annoying.
@@KelShu yeah same,it was not only until a TH-camr mentioned how it's kind of like racism that I found it that way.
I didn't even know it was about racism until this video
Despite this episode being odd, Marinette’s mom is awesome. One day, she’ll know Ladybug’s identity (along with Tom) and she’ll definitely make sure no one else knows her identity
Can you also send me qilin?
I’m actually exidied for pentalteam
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Sabine is QUEEN!
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I like that Lila was in this episode, shows that she actually has hobbies and isn't just around to screw with Marinette's life.
Unlike hawkmoth, Lila was actually a good villain who don’t steal from 14 yr for a living- Lila backstory explain her action in so piss they threw her character under a bus
@HypnoSpace Outlaw saving risk to watch after the other episodes of the season?
You say that, but what if she knew Marinette's mom was teaching the class? I know i am really reaching here, but how devastated would you be if you found out this was a rouse for her to gather information or something?
True. She's not plotting all of the time.
Honestly, same. It shows that Lila is both human and a teenager than just a mean girl/villain. At least that’s what I wish to believe
Roger really Pissed Me off. Not only is this like the one time Paris police literally trys to Defend it self from Akumatized Villian using every resources available to it but then also he decided not to listen to Ladybug because "Injustice". Like if i was Ladybug i would seriously get this man Fired. He doesn't deserve his job. You know if he come in your bake shop again just tell him to leave. You have the right to refuse service to that Asshole.
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@@Shreena.glitter8734 me too ✋ 😉
To be fair, I think it's a bad case of character derailment in his part, almost as if the writing team decide to use him as the bad cop instead of making a new cop character. It's almost like with Jagged Stone in this season, when he was revealed to be Luka and Juleka's estranged father, and he seemed like a deadbeat dad in some of the episodes. But then again, I'm just an observer. I never watched the show other than clips or looking at fanart and theories.
Lila being in Sabine’s class for Chinese art is SENDING ME
@Alex uhhh One could just say it was a hobby she got interested in. It'd also be the one thing about her that wouldn't be a lie
@Alex uhhh no problem with a hobby
@Alex uhhh you're right
Normally for any other show I would say it to add depts to the character, but knowing that there no real character development in this show I think they just grab a random character to filled the scene.
hell couldve use marinettes classmates.
I'm honestly surprised to find out this was actually about racism: it actually makes more sense, but the race issue wasn't either mentioned explicitly or remotely hinted at... and it made everything SO confusing!
They made the same mistake in "Bakerix", where it would've made SO much more sense if Roland had broken up with the rest of his family because he couldn't accept that his son had married a Chinese woman... it could've even led to a heartwarming scene of Roland finally reconciling with Tom AND apologizing to Sabine!
But nooo, they had to go for a far-fetched metaphor such as "he mixed regular flour with rice flour" or something like that.
SO THAT’S WHAT IT MEANT! I was legit confused about that metaphor
OMG WAS THAT ABOUT SABINE???? I was so confused!! Why, just why??
I actually thought that the message of bakerix is to accept change or something like that but I never thought it was about RACISM!
@@usernotfound_____yet alright, that's just my theory. As far as I know it wasn't confirmed... but IF Qilin really was about racism, then even more so was Bakerix.
Yes, the explicit message was "you must accept change in the world"; and for some old people, marrying OUTSIDE of your own race is... quite a big change.
@@LaynaRobin as terrible as it is, I think it'd make more sense (story-wise) than simply being angry at mixed flour.
The observation about Kim and Max hurting from concrete was so funny lmao
The whole commentary is hilarious. I’ve started saying “Jesus” just like him now
Yeah i forgot there was concrete underneath lol
And thats why we never saw them during the rest of Risk and during Strikeback 💀
@@cbcimutebi5564 LMFAO 💀
that ticket dude is basically Marinette in every episode, do crazy things and no consequences but rewards
Yoo!!! Savage! But true.
Damn
That’s true.
Bakerix did a better job of hinting at racism than Qilin.
There was a racism hint in Bakerix?
@@janusgreenway5137 It was implied it was the reason Marinette's grandpa didn't talk to his son.
Rolland saying Tom added rice to white flour was a metaphor for racism in that episode. They didn't want to address it directly so they hid it in a fight about bread.
@@eshajoshi3597 Is it confirmed?
@@ephemeral2925 it’s not confirmed but you can tell that was the hidden message. Tom and his dad weren’t in speaking terms since he married Sabine. Heck Rolland doesn’t even know Marinette exists. He didn’t recognize her when she went to visit him, let alone acknowledge that she’s his granddaughter. Also pay attention to some of the things he says; granted he was talking about bread but there was more to it than that.
I think one of the only reasons this episode exists if just so Sabine would have an akumatized form for dearest family.
Ikr
True, but dearest family didn’t even do Quilin justice. Watching this episode made me retroactively dislike dearest family more. We see Sabine get arrested unfairly and receive no help from a guy she knows personally and she is left without anyone to help her completely surrounded by people detaining her go no reason, and yet when an akuma comes in to feed on all those negative emotions she still spends so much time resisting it. But when she’s annoyed that her husband and in laws are not listening to her about letting Marinette decide what she wants to do with a motorcycle suddenly she gets akumatized without a fight, because I guess not being listened to in a family dispute causes more negative emotions when not being listened to while being arrested. And completely removing the handcuffs from Quilin and undercutting her theming of injustice kinda defeats the whole point of her and removes all her unique complexity. I already had been rewriting dearest family because I hate the way megakuma’s were designed and in the rewrite I didn’t have Sabine even get akumatized, and after watching Quilin I feel like that really is the best way for things to have gone.
It actually is, Thomas Astruc confirmed it
Where was this police force when every other villain was attacking Paris? Why did they only use it on Qilin? It's honestly baffling that the episode that wants to portray racism ends with the victim having to pay the fine and the racist ticket inspector getting an apology and not seeming to learn a thing.
Exactly!
Do you really expect anything more from this show
@@Kakuyawolf3456 yes, disappointment
Honestly, as an Asian person I thought they handled the racism great. (Until the end at least) but from what occurred I could immediately tell what they were trying to hint at, (focusing on Sabine’s heritage and the train ticket man’s interestingly chosen words, such as “she’s stealing from Parisians”) I’m assuming there were some… limitations with what the creators could put out and I think they did a good job considering. I feel like with most racist interactions with Asian people, it’s not just “yOuR AsIAn yOU SuCk” blatantly said out loud, it’s (usually) more subtle like this.
They kinda fucked it at the end tho… Sabine is the one who apologies and pays a fine, that probably sent a great moral to the kiddies.
I don’t think it was handled well, specifically because the racist wasn’t held accountable and Sabine was never given an apology. Hell, nobody apologized. And Sabine still had to pay the fine. Absolutely nobody offered to help her.
@@Walk_da_plank MARINETTE apologized too. Seriously, he wrote this so that these white people can get away with advert racism? This dude pisses me off.
@@milomakesmusiccovers but its not. Racist people will get away with a lot. Their choice to not hold him accountable was a real situation. Its to provoke thought
Ppl need their stereotypes I guess, having the typical skinhead throwing racist slurs around is easier to process
I'm quite disapointed in this episode. This could've been made a lot better.
Honestly, if the wiki didn't state that it was about racism, I wouldn't have noticed it. The bus inspector just seems like a stubborn idiot that doesn't like his job. It's like you said: If they wanted to make it about racism, make it more clear. The thing that annoys me the most about that plotline, is the fact that nobody came to her defense. She sells at the most famous bakery in Paris and teaches Chinese painting at the school now. Sabine isn't as famous as Audrey Bourgeous, but surely, somebody besides Roger could recognise her and come to her defense.
Honestly, for an episode focussing on Sabine, I think they should've gotten rid of the entire "racist" plotline, and focus more on the relationship between Sabine and Marinette. She obviously is the best mom in the series, so maybe we could've had an episode where she notices something is going on with Marinette and tried to figure out what's going on. Maybe some kind of misunderstanding could've gotten her akumatized in Qilin and she recognises Marinette in Ladybug after she saves Sabine. Afterwards, Sabine could understand and trust Marinettes decision to keep her identity a secret. That would explain her "Marinette is old enough to decide what she wants"-point she takes in Dearest Family. It's sad they didn't go for that plotline.
Regardless, I did enjoy that we got at least a little bit of character development for Sabine. With all character development of Audrey being a bad mom and Emily probably not being any better, it's good to see that we have some character development for the best mom in the series
tbh if this episode just dropped the racism storyline and went full sabrina x marinette episode it would have worked alot better.
We don't have many (If at all?) episodes that focus alot on their relationship so it would have been fun to have that more explored.
@@superkonijn988 fr i understand it’s an important topic but at least execute the plot line correctly and actually address or don’t have it at all
Why do you think Emily isn't a good mom? I unfortunately don't remember her doing anything other than being unconscious.
@@chrysanthemumcat2791 Emily is only in come for a bit over a year. Since we see in Wishmaker that Adrien doesn't have a dream, just "what his parents wanted him to be", I feel like Emily was still around when Adrien was being controlled.
Maybe Gabe could be the worst one of the 2, but if Emily and Adrien were close (wich seems the case, since Adrien has her on her background screen and has photos of the 2 of them together), it's hard to believe that she wouldn't notice Gabe controlling Adrien. And since Emily is the one that got in a coma because of the Peacock miraculous, not Gabe, I think she is at least partly responsible for what happened, with or against her will.
I feel like Adrien never had a good life, even with Emily around. Just the fact that Chloe and Felix were his only friends at the beginning of the series makes me think that. And during the series, it didn't get better at all, with Gabe becomming more and more insane and desperate to get his wish. I hope that whatever happens at the finale, things will get better for Adrien
@@jedemu That makes a lot of sense, good points. Thank you for explaining!
The Bus Driver saw Sabine board the bus with her daughter as well as pay for both of their tickets, he could've easily vouched for her to the Ticket Agent.
Why is this Bus Driver so inept at his job?
He even ate her croquettes and he still couldn’t do ANYTHING
What have we learn? Marinette Mom is best Mom in the show, also maybe even character.
She deserved a bether episode than this!
@@roxirock5455 Agreed
Sabine is a Goddess
Well it's not hard 😭
Adrien's mom took him away from any human interaction
Felix's mom is a hidden vilain
Chloe's mom is narcissistic
Jul&Luka's mom is a belated teen
Nino's mom doesn't exist
And the other moms appeared like once
@@Piiiiiiiiit yeah I agery with she is
"All episodes of season four will have the same impact as Cat Blank", yeah, right...
I've literally liked less than 10 out of the 24 I've seen (haven't watched Risk yet)
@@ElmerFudd16 Well, I guarantee that you'll like Risk more than Chat Blanc
@@ephemeral2925 Any idea when Strike Back releases in the US?
@@ElmerFudd16 Strike Back in March 12th, and Risk (officially, because it was already leaked) in March 5th
The fact that a racially-focused episode *wasn't* what Astruc had in mind for Qilin, and he's now on another block spree to anyone who points that out (that it *does* feel like one), is *ASTOUNDING.*
You could be the least musically inclined person out there, and still not be THIS tone-deaf. Especially to France's anti-asian issues that're *still* rampant to this day. 🤦♀️
Wait seriously? I thought this was done on purpose. Wow just wow.
It wasn't????? Give more details gamer!
@@cryforhelp7270 Apologies for the late response 😅
I can't provide links without YT flagging and deleting the comment, but if you look up "Thomas Astruc Qilin" on Twit, you'll find both people's reactions to the episode and a lengthy thread from Astruc himself.
But to summarize his focus was on enforcement corruption, and making Mari be the better person by using her power for good. He even compared it to Uncle Ben's speech.
@@izzy1356 wow
The exact same interview that I mentioned already about them talking about the episode is more detail specifically said that they wanted people to delete as much comments and content online about it being racism as possible about it being related to racism, although they can also see why the general public would also view the episode as such as well. I also knew exactly what the episode was going to be before it even got aired on television as well. The footage is shown on television about the Senti monster attack since it was mentioned by the series creators, even though they did not actually start making the episode idea surrounding it when they conducted the interview. They made all of the other ones referencing other ideas that they already made other, very scarcely aired on television; but nothing related to this specific exact reason. I cannot literally describe it anymore differently in a way that could make any more sense. The interview did not say where it was done at though.
The fact that city of paris even when they know shadowmoth akumatizes people by negative emotions they keep harrasing each other over the most atupid things like a lost ticket
I know that one of the occurances happened on purpose, somewhere in the series, making Hawk Moth having to very quickly change his plan to something else when he realized his mistake way too late. Gabriel is already aware of his situation that he is in, that he discussed with Natalie when she found him reading the fully completed comic strip of Marinette breaking into the house for the party. The episode is infact real, and they already planned out in advance if someone was going to try to eventually copy the episode. The episode does make perfect sense if you can somehow find the episode online to watch. We found it, but it was by a complete accident. I can tell you this thoguh, there no more way that Gabriel can get any more butterflies to make him akumatize people. I believe that we actually saw the episode when he had like literally almost all of them used up already.
I love how Smarty slowly goes from
"Aren't you tired of being nice." to "Don't you just wanna go ape shit?" when it comes to this show hahahaha
This episode gave be the vibe of "people nag that Marinette is really whitewashed both appearance and culture wise, so how about her mother makes up for it by being the always perfect asian stereotype who does every single chinese thing we can think of"
I don't understand what they were thinking, they attempted to exoticfy her heritage by doing morning chores with... tai chi. In the background. Way to tell everyone we Chinese people are so exotic because we listen to music and videos while getting ready. She already has a Jackie Chan stereotype too.
@@Yuunarichu Well, I'm not a chinese person so ofc I don't know best, but I had a feeling that she' gonna end up like that. She wears traditional clothing everyday, she's super smart, she knows martial arts, and everything that we saw in this episode seemed very stereotypical to me
Instead of dumping everything on Sabine, they could've made Marinette, her daughter and the protagonist actually interested in her heritage. Like, she literally can't talk to her uncle and went to Shanghai only because her crush was there
@@Carobug EXACTLYYY
@@Carobug It would make for an interesting conflict even if she were trying teaching marinette and marinette just is not very interested.
But no, the only conflict they can come up is rassism?! Thats not a bad one per se, but not the one they should have focucing on her cultural background.
Also more personal, and would even fit in with her lack of interest prior. And she might try to be more and confuse sabine leading to a fight and kumatizing
Has that show even a bible to holdctrack ofcharacters?!?! I guess no
Haha I thought the same thing. Doing taichi regularly and being knowledgeable about fengshui is...just not the average Chinese person thing.
This reminds me about how Adrien was originally intended to have a disability and to be required to walk with a crutch, except, the writers didn't trust themselves with properly writing Adrien's character as somebody dealing with a disability. It's a similar situation here where the writers want to imply themes of racism in this episode but didn't trust themselves enough to actually make it obvious.
But if they really wanted to do it couldn't they have researched these issues and talked to people who have dealt with these things so they could portray them properly?
The series creators definitely explained that they wanted Adrien to appear differently than what they finally decided together for the show. I do not remember what they said anymore, but it was definitely related to Adrian having a disability of some kind.
To be honest, I didn't think of the racism aspect of the episode until now.
Since I'm part of the latin American fandom, I can tell you that I saw no one there interpretating the Sabine scene as xenophobic, we just thought it was weird writing as usual.
And I think that's a big flop, if you want to give a message about a subject you have to make clear the subject first. Now that you tell me that the episode is trying to give an anti-racism message I can kinda of see it, but it's still not that clear to me. Idk, I just think that they could have done a great episode surrounding that topic, but it was bland and kind of pointless tbh.
I was wondering how it was handled in other languages.
Sabine did nothing wrong, the bus ticket guy was just being dramatic and racist. Roger is very out-of-character here, feeling very spineless, selfish and seems to be apathetic towards others. Apathy is the worst character trope you can do for me personally.
And the whole resolution is just Marinette paying the fine to fix the issue. I'm glad Marinette is taking ownership and is suffering consequences for something, but she didn't cause her mom to get akumatized, the bus ticket guy did! Even though I actively HATE Marinette, she didn't deserve to pay, because she is innocent here, she did nothing to cause mayhem. The ultimate injustice is done, where the victims of the situation lose, and the racist jerks win. And that is something you can never teach kids! First they taught kids to give phone numbers to strangers in Sole Crusher, now they're saying racism will always win. It's a terrible message backed up by an episode filled out with out-of-character personalities. And it's a shame, because I like Sabine's daily routine (as an Asian I relate to her a lot) and Marinette is likable here. Too bad other characters had to be dislikable for that!
Yeah the bus ticket dude was just an A-hole to Sabine for no reason.
@@LucotIC. yeah I agree 👍 💯 🙆♂️
@@stefaniarusso 👍
I think its okay to show that nuance because bad people a lot of the times in everyday win and it sucks but thats reality
@@Maxusdadream same
It's strange that the writers made Roger so stubborn in this episode, while he was a pushover in so many others. If it was a different cop that the audience didn't know, maybe plot would have worked a bit better. Or maybe suddenly giving Roger a twin brother who recently moved to Paris, and have it revealed by the real Roger at the end.
And keep in mind, he was taking the word of a one off jerk we've never seen before, where as he actually knows Sabine as this confirms, and in Rogercop he tried standing up to the mayor when he tried to make Roger overstep his own boundaries, so tell me this. Why is he not gonna try and make it clear the same way here, that he needs to know all evidence before making an arrest? Why is he suddenly the cop you hate seeing in cartoons in this episode?
I feel the episode started good, with some focus on Sabine and her POV... then it all goes bananas as soon as the ticket inspector enters the scene. Then it suddenly becomes ...outworldly.
Situations similar to this do happen in real life. I don't think this is a good episode, but that part- while it has exaggerated voice acting as usual, is a thing that can happen.
@@cryforhelp7270 I dunno, the ticket inspector getting SO fixated on somebody lying?
What usually happens is you're told that it doesn't matter if did buy your ticket, if you don't have it when the inspector asks you, you've gotta pay. Ofc that would've ended the episode pronto.
So instead they opted for this overly-long tirade, where the inspector won't even believe that Sabine has a daughter at all, even as Roger himself - a police officer - confirms her story and says he personally knows her, the inspector goes on to treat Sabine as if she were a confirmed terrorist or something, going as far as having her arrested instead of just being fined.
Arrested by cops who are clearly wearing anti-riot gear. Before she's even akumatized.
And then Roger threatens to call the army.
It only "makes sense" (obligatory quotes) if you take into account that i twas intended as representation of racism: the inspector was actually persecuting Sabine for being Asian.
But the way it's portrayed is... ridiculous, utterly ridiculous.
*Why the hell is the ticket inspector asking people getting off the bus if they have a ticket?* This is ridiculous. Normally the inspectors get on the bus and when the bus is moving, they start checking the passengers. This is so contrived and nonsensical.
Maybe I’m just oblivious, but when I watched the episode I didn’t even realize it was about racism, I’m used to bad writing from this show, especially with villains like Chloé and Gabriel who have had many moments where they disregard their actual motivations and intentions and just do evil for evils sake, so I just assumed the ticket guy was a terribly written antagonist with no motivation but he evil for no reason. Even after realizing this was supposed to be a depiction of racism, I feel like they didn’t actually write the episode to be about racism. The episode is about Marinette and her relationship with her mother, the central focus is mostly about Marinette trying to spend time with her mother and get her a Mother’s Day present. The plot line with the cops feels more like a subplot tacked on to give Sabine and akumatized motivation and to also let them add the cops as an extra obstacle in the akuma fight like in rogercop. This is why at the end Marinette is the one who apologizes and pays the fine, because this episode was less about actually focusing on the issue of racism they tried to cover and instead is about their main character trying to do something nice for her mom. If they wanted to cover racism so they could say that they made an episode about racism, they could at least treat the racism plot line as more important than a belated Mother’s Day story.
Maybe the bus driver just wanted the money so bad? Still not an excuse to do what he did but it’s a possibility
@@LycheeLeo yeah I agree 👍 💯 🙆♂️
@@The_Punisher_2008 I agree 👍 💯
@@LycheeLeo and that’s what’s good about the show but they need to at least execute the plot better
While i watched the episode, i had the impression, that this inspektor was on a huge power trip. Yes, Sabine had no tickets but the way he treated her was just not fair. Especially when she said, that Roger knew her and her family. When he throwed her bag and belongings into a dirt puddle, because her phone was ringing and breaking her picture (and maybe also damaging her phone too) he crossed the line of being unfair right into criminal behaviour.
That this (and Bakerix) should be racist episodes first came to me, when someone in the comments said it to me.
This is probably the only time I was able to stomach watching Marinette on screen. And I'll admit she was written well here. She wasn't creepy, she wasn't after Adrien, none of that. She just wanted to get her a mom a late mother's day gift. And honestly that's really sweet.
The sad irony is she was normal only because Adrien wasn't involved at all.
@@kou7191 Yep.
@@kou7191 yeah I agery with that marinette anyoning she my least favorite character even chole better than her and I hate chole marinette just a creepy annoying stalker she reminds me of dave form total drama the way Dave was obsessed with sky and marinette the same with adrien and it's obvious she only ilke him for his looks and nothing else my point is marinette is a trash character and trash protagonist in my opinion
@@nickifill1772 Agreed. Although I don't hate Chloe. But I respect your opinion.
@@FeligamiAdrizoeSworaDooplivian thank.you I appreciate it
I really liked this ep because of Mari's mom, she's such a cool character
You know, the entire first part of the episode Sabine looks like she knows what's up when talking about Martinete not sleeping well due to her "group project" and doesn't bat an eye about Marinette's volley of excuses.
Then again might also just be bad writing and animation
Also the fact that she sed in her art class when Lb and CatNoire pass by,that "those poor teens work too hard" and the fact that she put the TV on news in that morning,but that coude be a coincident
I believe that she actually made the sentimonster appear in the square. The reasonings might have been explained later on in the show somewhere. I know they prepare everything about the show in sequence to watch somewhere online if they have it planned out already. I know that they did not make it yet when they intially made this episode. They might have explained that they spent the money for designing and planning the episode on doing other interviews or something like that.
completely off-topic, but did anyone else notice that in wishmaker, Luka found out Ladybugs and Cat Noirs identities, but that that'd also mean that Sass knows too?
Well, yeah, I am sure Sass knows by now.
Well, Tikki and Plagg do know the identities too. But because of magical restrictions, they can't say the names and i think that goes with the rest of the Kwamis
@@Anthyrion I rather meant the fact that Sass knows that Luka knows the identities (does that make sense?)
@@yaaaas9778 I understood it^^ But yes, Sass knows, that Luka knows the identities and also knows them^^
Meh does it really matter that Sass knows it though?
Her mom's being observant of her child doesn't make her a puppet master. Also her extreme planning with a clumsy daughter and husband is just showing her mad mom and wife skills. It also shows where marinate gets her extreme planning skills. Just being picky😄 I love your reviews
I thought they were also saying that "hey! Marinette got her problem solving skills from her mother" and not about her controlling (?) Marinette.
@@vindric8330 exactly
12:55 The Bus Driver's not the ONLY one who should've spoken up, let's not forget the dude in the wheelchair! The Hawaiian-shirt guy that's in EVERY episode gets a pass in my opinion as he was facing away from the situation and could've toned it out since his back was turned.
They explained that it was related to the disability abusive rights of the local transit system or something like that, specifically for that episode at least. They also knew that a entire thread of conversation would be over social media once the episode would finally get out.
also the racists getting away with no consequences is pretty much the only “true” part about the episode. it’s very much realistic
Can't belive people like this these days ya know? when it comes to divinity in this world, i can't help but to lose my patience, there are times when i take my anger out on other people even tho i didn't really mean it, it just hurts me to see people treated like this, and still do! like come on! this is the 21st century! give everyone a break!!!! sorry that i got mad, i just needed to speak my mind about this
Unconvinced the episode was even focusing on racial issues; Marinette took back the fine (which was supposedly given in act of racism,) apologized and paid it herself. Except, Sabine still ended up paying for it since Marinette didn't have the money.
It seems that Marinette went back to her house to get money after fighting her mom or at least that's what I want to believe 😭
Because she's mixed race. She looks more white than chinese so they'd assume the she was a normal Parisian and not her mom
I was so surprised to see Lila in her art class
Well...at least that's one hobby she actually does and not lie about
I dont understand why she changed her name (as told in the shanghai special) when she's clearly so comfortable and close to the other aspects of her culture
I was honestly anoyed that Sabine didn't even try to talk to the bus driver that not only saw her pay the ticket but also saw Marinette because SHE presented her to him. That error could have easily be fixed if she tried to go to the front to talk to the bus driver and the racist jerk didn't let her, asuming she was just trying to find a way to run away from him and didn't want to hear anything if the bus driver asked what's going on back there
It was not the intent of how the episode was originally made, and it was specifically that part of the episode that they already knew that the public would not understand. It might have been one of the first things that they talked about as well.
Ture the show can definitely be viewed as being backwards viewed by the general public, as they even had to explain Penalteam in an interview style as well. They also specifically explained that they DID NOT WANT TO release it to the general public unless they had no choice in the matter, and that they already knew that they would only watch once and then never again as well. Unfortunately the episode is infact plot relevant to another episode of the series way, way, down the line where it gets explained what Chloe knew exactly what she was doing when she was akumutized as well.
I like how at the end you made a remark about how dishonest it is for the creators to say "our show tackles racism". Because it doesn't tackle racism at all. It enables it. The resolution of the episode is literally enabling the racism seen in the episode.
so much about this episode was deeply bad beyond standard iffiness. even as an adult who knows about racial profiling, i could tell they were burying it to the point where it could be hand-waved as circumstantial to the point where i was actually wondering if they'd originally intended for it to be about that (and i was looking for it!!). but the cherry on top was marinette taking the fucking fine at the end. i would much rather they retract that it was ever meant to be about racism at this point, this episode is just outright racist in it's presentation of racial profiling ironically. both in the ways it failed to be addressed by name, and the exaggeration of aspects of it (the armoured police?! i can only presume someone realised making their recurring beat-cop character openly racist might make including him in later episodes tricky. although he's already firmly rooted in satirical-but-not-unrealistic themes of serving power over the people so i'm shocked anyone was precious about him).
not to mention the very surface level, lazy treatment of sabine's culture in her daily life, although her painting class did at least seem more thought out. her dropping what is definitely a very expensive brush on the floor to trip some dude up made me wince though.
I'm genuinely suprised by how many people didn't know this was about racism and the authority that the police have...but its likely more obvious if you're a poc and are from a country where this is an issue
Same, the moment the ignorant bus ticket guy started to press Sabine I caught on immediately. And it was confirmed by all of the police force-like where was that energy towards other akumas or the lolipop sentimonster
right
Exactly!
It was so obvious
It would have made more sense if it was from a show with good writing. But since the fans are use to mediocre writing at best, they didn't think much about it. Also, racism was barely mentioned in the episode itself and this is a kid show. That's weird, how are kids supposed to know that this is about racism, must of them aren't smart enough to grasp this type of concept when it's not heavily implied to them
To be fair, I don't think Sabine was being an SJW by requesting that the guy move from the handicap spot. I'd be upset too if someone were using a space specifically for those who are physically impaired. Plus she didn't yell at him or use violence, she just magicked the two into each others spots.
Exactly, that's called being a decent human not any sjw shit!
Yeah i was confused by that 😐 how is doing the right thing and standing up for others being a “sjw” smh 🤦
I was very excited for this episode and assumed that since it was pushed back so far in the order of the episodes, we could expect more quality and thought put into this. Presentation of discrimination missed the mark. If anything, this episode could teach that there are horrible people in the world and not everyone will learn their lesson (ticket inspector). I hardly caught the intent of representing racism, and most, if not all, children won't see it.
My first viewing of this is didnt even notice racism before I just took it as a contrived way of showing how unfair the justice system is because it's really been established that roger and the people in charge are incompetent.
The series creators explained that the episode was protesting the disability unawareness problem that is occurring on public transportation. They have their reasons for to exactly why they delayed this episode for soon from being aired on television. They already had it pre-approved to be in the show line up prior to the Risk episodes of the show. The reason I saw once online when digging up the show information. You can tell already the pattern that they are trying to hint at with the episode release order of the season, specifically made for television airing.
I think that they also said that the public might view the episode as having traces of racism in it, and they perfectly can see why if they do not see the big picture being represented here in the episode. The real question here is how many saying that there is traces of racism in the episode actually rode a bus, and saw the disability rights being abused right in front of them? Also how many of those people actually rode on that piece of public transportation in their lives. We only found out the information regarding the explanation of the episode, because we were in a very similar situation at the time.
I think they want everyone to delete all evidence of racism regarding as much as possible on the internet regarding this episode. They definitely ended their statement with a very similar response back regarding how the episode is going to be viewed as racism.
They got a swat team on a little lady- I just couldn’t stop laughing with the animation-
The best part is this episode in the time line is meant to be so much earlier as we know this is her first time actually changing yet for Marinette's birthday we saw the same transformation
Bro!! I checked the wiki to try and find the episode she FIRST gets akumatized into Qillin and struggled to find that, only the 2nd and 3rd being listed???
I just want to say that I was ready to throw hands with the ticket inspector like…what was his problem, like not even the driver had this much of a problem.
You know the episodes aren't made in the same animation studio... The studio that made quilin actually broke... But at least took the responsibility to actually made the episode as promise....
Thank you, I mean it THANK YOU. You mentioned every single point that was wrong in this episode. Honestly speaking, I liked the episode nonetheless, however those points mentioned really show us that this episode was good or even mediocre.
I think they did this episode TERRIBLY
I liked the episode but I can say it was terrible
Here's why: when I watched it, I had 0 clue it was about racial profiling, I wish I was kidding
I feel like the only people who would realize the episode was about this are people who have personally gone through this or people who have knowledge about this
I knew it happened but I never really got any great examples
Another reason I think it's terrible is cause may I remind you that in this show Roger is basically seen as a joke, inother words the police in this show are seen like a joke
And maybe this was just me but the point was to show the ticket guy was white, right? Well I just can't see it. Im sorry idk why but he doesn't look white to me for some reason
Interesting take. For me it was really obvious it was about racism especially because of how much they focused on her culture and heritage at the beginning of the ep. And how people of authority being racist is common in the media. Not to mention when sabine was explaining herself and the guy saying "oh no shes getting aggressive" which is unfairly said to poc all the time when they in fact are not being aggressive
Probably everyone who is saying that the episode involves racism in it is not looking at it in the same way that someone in the same position as the episode is talking about is in. We knew exactly what the episode was going to be detail for detail before the company even started to make it for some strange reason as well. Maybe it was the subtle hints that the show was dropping in other episodes of the show that we saw, including one of Marinette even mentioning that she was going to be one month late getting her a present for Mother's day. There was definitely also episodes talking about Marinette's mother doing Tai Chi really early in the morning, and even hinting that she and Marinette would be getting lunch together at the restaurant. Maybe that was why she was smirking in the episode. She even mentioned something about moving the laundry basket to the bottom of the stairs as well. She even mentioned something about it occurring exactly when she would be completely safe in the future to make her still able to do her routine in the future or something like that as well; even possibly admitting that she is fully aware that she knows that she is Ladybug, and letting her doing what she is doing as well. I believe thar I all I can say on social media anyways, as the very specific episodes of the show explains themselves.
Now that I am thinking about the episode with the laundry basket did have Sabine talking to herself with Marinette completely out of the picture looking directly to the people watching the show. I was grateful that I did not record any of them for later considering that are definitely what content creators would gladly want to use for their own scripts/ want to maybe upload to their own channel as well. There was also a specific one explaining exactly what the flower lady was experiencing when Marinette was communicating with Tikki as well, it was definitely made by the series creators and not a fan made episode. I know this because I saw the fan made version of it eventually and it was not the exact same thing. A couple of them actually. Each one that I saw somehow included less and less of the same exact information mentioned in tbe previous one that I just finished watching. It has done this already with the episodes being roughly the same exact experience with fan made ones being made shortly afterwards.
The thing I hate the most about this episode is that it proves my theory that Marinette and her loved ones have suffered racial prejudices, so her having racial prejudices in that one weird comic makes no sense and was just some internalized racism or empty brain moment from the writers
maybe thats why Cloie says Marinettes whole name. to make a point that she isnt "french"
@@darkdest6664 yeah if that the case I whould not be surprised chole is a idiot bully
I'll never forget Ghetto Blaster... What an annoying comic. And kinda weird with how they decided to uh, draw Mari under a box naked.
oh my goodness. as a poc who has experienced racism and has taught others about racism - this is just not the way to do it. i wish it was more subtle yet effective with it’s approach, maybe utilising microaggressions that poc go through everyday by just existing. it was too unbelievable and outrageous, it didn’t make it seem “normal”(racism shouldn’t be normalised, but it didn’t make it look realistic. a swat team would not be called on a chinese woman who KNOWS the police officer and bus driver as an eye witness.
they really need to take a few tips from disney and their song on racism and microaggressions.
Agreed , how would you rewrite the scene ?
Lol microaggressions
This was one of those episodes that only ...confirm, for lack of a better word, my notion that ML should've been a tween show, because several times it has tried to touch deeper or darker themes but *always* backpedals, either due to fear of parental reception, or because they assume their audience isn't intelligent enough to get it.
Also, the ticket guy was so infuriating he made Lila and Chloe look like nice people. They tuned up the ¨Karen¨character up to 11 there.
Also also, I kinda wanted Marinette to use the mouse miraculous again so Marinette and Ladybug could both be present simultaenously
I just love the fact that the police tries to arrest her for her non-existent tickets. Like in my country if they find out that you didn't pay to be on the bus, they would just kick you off at the next stop. So if said person was getting off at the next stop anyway they'd just get a slap on the wrist and a fine, not to get arrested.
Sabine was really the ONLY good thing about this episode. This episode did not paint ladybug in the greatest light. Forgetting Mother’s Day a month later, uses her own mothers money to buy her a gift AND pay the the fine that Sabine was cleared for! It was a nice gesture in all but what was the point?! What a smooth brain day she is having. Taking the racial issues out of the equation, the writing as a whole is just plain terrible. Everyone around Sabine had to be dumbed down and the situation was taken to the extreme for anything to work. It would be one thing if she was accused of a serious crime like stealing or something that is not “did not pay the bus fair”. An actual injustice, being accused of a crime you did not commit. If that were the case then MAYBE I could buy the writing.
True. I just love how this episode makes it seem like Felix and Sabine are the only two characters in this show who use their brain. Like I wouldn't be surprised if Sabine actually knew about Marinette being Ladybug, but doesn't tell her because she wants to let Marinette tell her out of her own will.
@@bluebird1914 that whould be interesting if she did find out her daughter was a hero
I really thought someone on the bus would speak up in Sabine's defense, like not even the guy she helped... I thought they might come back to that at the end, make a point about not being a silent bystander to injustice, but nope it was dropped and forgotten. The whole "resolution" of this episode ticked me off. I mean, that ticket guy was definitely throwing microaggressions at Sabine. Practically non-stop. He should've given a proper apology beyond acknowledging that she hadn't been lying like he insisted with such certainty (and he was _way_ too gleeful about enforcing the law on her, like dear gods what the heck). And I was so shocked when Marinette offered to pay the fine when they didn't have to pay it at all?! I could've sworn Roger just said they'd waive it. That's not a display of responsible behaviour, that's foolishly accepting punishment that they didn't deserve in the first place. Why would she pay a fine for not having the tickets that they actually had? And then yeah... using her mom's money... yikes... It was just layers of nonsense that they tried to pass off as a feel-good ending. It's almost impressive how heavy-handed they were with the racism/abuse of police power themes (whether they were intentional or not) while completely skirting around the issues, and then fumbling the resolution more clumsily than Marinette. Almost.
And thank you for pointing out that she could have just gotten off the bus with Marinette! Or just taken her ticket out of her wallet to keep it on her! Why complicate things by waiting for her to panic-call and telling her you'll wait at the next stop when you could've just gotten off and stuck with her when you saw she wasn't going to make it back in time? Contrived, just for the plot.
Honestly having a short, 10 second scene where sabine goes "The rest of the bus can confirm that my daughter was right here, right?" and then have her look around her and everyone ignoring her, and lingering on that silence for just a second, would've shown the silent bystander, signify it's injustice, all without losing time for everything else in the episode. It's such a small addition that would've made the point just slightly clearer.
I bet Sabine knows that she is ladybug but she chooses to let her daughter tell herself
11:46 the thing about those videos is that the policemen are usually calm and confident, not giddy and high spirited, so that they appear convincing of their punishments to any third parties watching.
Also, I feel like they unintentionally showed a good example of how some people(Hawkmoth) may justify their own destructive or violent acts by acting as if they're standing up to "injustices" that way.
My main issue is with Sabine’s characterization. She has supposedly been living in France for at least 15 years, and yet you expect me to believe that literally EVERYTHING she does in her routine is Chinese-themed? It feels lazy, as if the show staff couldn’t be bothered to give her actual interests in a complex way and instead decided, “she’s Chinese, so she’ll do tai-chi and teach Chinese art”.
This episode was so fking filler, it was so bad it just made me hate the ticket guy and just showed Hawkdad being weak and letting people break out of his akumatizations it’s kind of sad. I can’t wait for the finale tho there’s leaks that say Felix will get a Miraculous
You know someone having a strong will to break out only speaks for the person themselves... Others have rejected the akuma plenty
@@jjuchii that’s exactly what i mean Hawkmoth is getting weaker, he used to be able to hold people in his akumatizations now he can’t
May I say something controversial?
I did not see this as an episode of racism. I have been in similar situations where I got in trouble for no reason or even when I did not start something like passing a note around get caught with it and get in trouble for it anyways.
I feel it was one of those situations that anyone no matter what race they were would get in trouble for if they were unlucky. There are people who refuse to listen to your story and try to be open minded to it.
I saw Roger being so black and white when it comes to law. He got Luca’s mom in trouble, the science teacher in trouble, even kids in trouble for the smallest things (white or not) just because they happen to break the law. They were small things that even today’s officers would not get into a fit about because they don’t matter except if they persist into a bigger problem.
To be honest, I thought the Inspector was Asian and did not feel he was picking on Sabine for her race. I think he hears hundreds of these sob stories a day and hates being taken advantage of if someone tells him a sob story to get out of trouble.
So yeah, this was too subtle, at least for me when it came to racism.
I agree
That guy was more like a nuisance than a racist
I think we all can agree marinettes dad is a lucky SOB
I'm sorry but how did Max and Kim actually survive that jump. 😳😳😳 6:25
I can't stop laughing at that
Never underestimate the power of children's show logic 🤣
@@Scary_Mask_Tomboy 😂😂😂🤨🤣
@@prettyadore1838 XD
Tom and Sabine only grounded Marinette once for her unexcused absences, and that was early in season 1. Let that sink in...
I've been watching Miraculous for 6 years now... It's got to the point where I literally am watching your reviews of episodes rather than the actual episodes themselves because I am so over this show! Please carry on with the witty commentary it makes my day!
The fact is that in Dearest Family, she accept being akumatized for her daughter. When in this episode she literally got arrested by the cops and still try to resist.
Incredible!
Remember kids racism bad… Treat other like how you are now. You don’t people treat you unfairly and basis for basically existing without knowing you or your actions. Act kindly and etc.
This episode an injustice, this is pure stupidity.
The end really disgusted me. I don't know if it's incompetence from the writers or their actual own bias talking, but it turned a message of "Racism is bad and authority figures shouldn't abuse their power above PoC" into "We need both the authoritiy figures and the victims of racism to concede some ground."
And considering the whole plot around the bus may have been a reference to Rosa Parks, it means it's not just the usual "BLM has some points and so do the cops so they should find a middle ground", it can even be read as "Black people in the US should have been more lenient about racial segregation."
I didn't even know this was a episode at first i thought this was just a short thing they made of marinettes mum first and as it went on i realised it was a proper episode
You say that on marinette has gifts for Adrien but not for her mom on mothers day, the woman who gave birth to her. My god, even batman would never stood this low. Then again...
Wait a minute...
Hawk moth saying he’s a “victim of misunderstanding” is so ironic as he’s privileged, a man and in a place of power throughout the whole story
I completely missed the fact that this episode was about racism. I just thought the inspector was a jackass and for a moment wondered if he was working on commission. When Marinette offered to pay the fine I thought "No, don't encourage him." At no point was the man being reasonable and I'm disappointed that no one on the bus stood up for her, especially the bus driver who should remember her.
Roger likely should be fired. He said he was being reasonable, but that was a bold face lie. About the one time he was being reasonable he was fired by a man who shouldn't have the authority to fire him. However he frequently abuses his power and writes tickets just because he is angry, including "a ticket for making me use to many tickets" and "because I said so." He has akumatized a couple of people just for being a jerk and going overboard. He also seems to be the only cop in the city who isn't part of the faceless swat time.
He really should of given Sabine, a woman he has known for years, the benefit of the doubt when he can already verify part of her story and if he knows anything about Marinette he could know that she is a busy body who can wonder off. I also feel the inspector exceed his authority by ripping away her bag. I also feel this contradicts Roger's character when he refused to search Marinette's bag.
I pretty much agree with you on this episode, and its actually the #2nd worst episode of the series for me (the #1 worst episode for me is Ladybug from Season 3). The animation was just trash, and not sure about you, but I found Roger's model to be really ugly looking, like it was from Shrek or one of those old DVD features that shows behind the scenes of animated movies or TV. Also, Roger is officially worse than Chief Wiggum
@Miraculous Lover Wait, IT LEAKED!!!
The worst episode for me is still Simpleman. For me, it didn't even worked as a filler episode.
But i have to agree with you on Roger here. I mean, yes Sabine didn't had a ticket at the time, the Inspector showed up and because of that, she had to pay a fine and if she can't the police has to investigate. But Roger knew Sabine and knows, that she has a daughter and that her story could be true. Get yourself a spine, you stupid police officer! That's not the first time, he had a negative appearence in the series. But i have a feeling, that it get's worse the more time in the series passes.
And i don't know, how this works in Paris or France in general, but in our german transport system you can show at the station, that you had a ticket for that day and you get the fine paid back.
I love the episode Ladybug. I'm curious why did you rate it as the worst episode?
@@jackomon1129 it's a lie
@@404etfrost3 Cause of Lila and how the all of the students (minus Adrien) easily believe all her lies. I just hate people who manipulate people throughout lies and are not genuinely remorseful for them. Its why I have such mixed thoughts on Lila in general too as there are things I like about her.
This is going to make me sound 100% hypocritical, but one of the reasons why I like her as a villain is also why I hate her. Its complicated.
What bothered me was how Roger just kind of treated a friend like that the bus inspector made sense because they’ll always be people like that but I’m disappointed they just threw roger like that
This episode made me mad and made me hate Marinette more than I already did.
Yes, it was not Marinette’s fault that the Inspector reacted irrationally, but she caused her situation.
I am not mad at her absentmindedness. I have it and am not perfect, but I refuse to believe someone did not teach her tricks to improve it. My mom made sure she taught me tricks so it does not get me or both of us in sticky situations. For example, if we had an event, she taught me to triple check my purse the night and hour before to make sure everything is there. At least, the important stuff. Oh and the trick of making sure everything is in one spot so you are not fiddling around looking for everything 24/7.
She taught me to not have her bail me out all of time. Sabine should not be bailing Marinette all of the time. Marinette needs to learn and she never does.
How has Marinette never developed any of these skills?
Also, she never prioritizes her time. I don’t buy the busy excuse anymore. She lives across the street and is always late for school because of her obsession with Adrien. She neglects her homework or whatever she needs to do because she watches his ads or news reports on a loop all of tome or memorizes his schedule and adds it to her gigantic wall calendar. Girl, sort out your priorities.
Adrien is even busier than you and manages to get everything done despite being Cat Noir.
Also, i agree. Why is it this girl (sorry for this horrible name, but I call her this when I am mad) has hundreds (hyperbole) of gifts for Adrien’s birthdays and Christmases, but not one gift for her mom.
Sabine left Marinette with one job and she could not even do that. Sabine should not have this many fail safes to get her and her daughter out of trouble when it happens. There needs to be some discipline here. This is why Marinette never learns.
And yeah, Marinette should not have used her mom’s own money to get her gift. Sabine would have appreciated the thought, but it shows how much her mom is not on her mind if she gets off the bus early and buts her something. Sabine should have kept the tickets with her, but no one is perfect.
Oh and that plan of having Marinette de transform and talk to Quiln as Marinette to help get her out of trouble was quickly disregarded. This is for your mother and you could not even do that to help her.
I hate this character so much.
Good point. And agreed.
TBH
She could have 100😧
I used to ship Marinette X Lula
But I've realised that Luka I too good for her
@@FeligamiAdrizoeSworaDooplivian I also agery marinette the worst character in the show I hate her
Thats probably Disney that didnt allow words like "racism" or "victim of racism". But Thomas s mistake(again) that there are not consecuances of this
Okay so was this episode suppose to come out before the Tiki's addiction episode? Cause it feels like a introduction to Marinette's mom akumaitzed but we seen her evil form before.
@just random dude chilling oh okay thank you cause that was confusing me.
Hawkmoth attacks paris: Nah
Sabine gets akumatized: GET THE ARMY
If I was the mom I would be so upset with Marinette; you took my bus ticket which ended up getting me in trouble, then when the matter was resolved, you decided then and there to act responsible and pay for the fine (that I managed to get out of paying for) with money that I have to lend you.
cool part about the bus scene with the wheelchair for me was that we saw Sabine pull out the thought vision of visualizing the plan to get the man in the wheelchair into the proper spot. Gives an idea where Marinette gets it from at the very least
New episodes of miraculous don't even feel like episodes they feel so short and like nothing happens even tho the episodes are 30 mins long but so little happens
That's 90+% of the show
5:09 we're not talk about Lila being part of Sabine's class
I think its kinda cute that Lila in a painting class
At this stage I am thinking season 5s ending will revealing all 5 seasons to be a crazy dream. Although whose dream I have no idea.
The Robot dreamed the whole series, or Astruc's wakes up and goes to pitch the series concept to the studio (like how they wanted to end Deep Space Nine).
@@ErickSoares3 Or maybe it is Chloe dreaming the whole thing since she is so prominently developed in the series. She wakes up after going from hero to full villain.
@@ErickSoares3 Or it could be Lila's dream. It would explain why everyone always believes her so obvious lies.
The idea that feng shui is a real thing in miraculous ladybug feels natural to me with all the other mystical elements in the show
also thinking back to simpleman it seems like marinettes family may have some connections to the miraculous as her grandfather mentioned ladybug looked like marinettes grandmother and they act sort of similar in the way they think. this could just be a goof up and them forgetting the miraculous magically makes you unable to recognise the wearer but it could also be a reference to the fact that her grandmother may have been the holder of the ladybug miraculous in the past/ is connected to them in some way.
This could be why shes able to do stuff like plan super throughly and have those "visions" that we only see the heroes and villians have. and make up a slightly convoluted plan that is super niche that just so happens to work. since she was raised and taught by her mom, or it could just be in their blood like theya re naturally gifted via being descendents of someone who once used the miraculous.
It could be that sabine actually has suspicions but does not want to admit it to herself that her daughter is putting herself in danger cus she would not want her daughter to be a hero because she wants to keep her safe. or yknow, miraculous brain scramble magic
On lila i think that shes there only cus her mom is and she wants to spend time with her. either that or to learn more dirt on marinette so she can ruin her life. the scene does not allude to it but it makes sense that is what shed do imo.
7:24 or the nice lady that she is gives them to a few people on the way
I'm actually glad that they put lilia in the episode without any reason. Otherwise she just would be an object that creates conflict. While Felix so far is an object that pushes plot forward
I was once racially profiled and I hate this episode for what it did. Man I seriously hope that ticket inspector never appears again. When he said what a very responsible thing to do young lady to Marinette, I screamed no screw you! Don't act all friendly after you mistreated her kind mother!
whats funny abt ML having clumsy racial representation is how this isnt the first time this has happened, cus just look at how they portrayed Kagami’s race by straight up slanting her eyes to the most diagonal angle possible.
Also they never even tried to make Marinette look biracial (which she is btw), since according to her heritage she’s half Chinese half Italian but she doesnt have a single hint of being Chinese in her design at all.
I was confused about it, bc they hinted there was racial bias but I couldn’t tell bc the characters were acting so cartoonish walking around it and I was wishing that it would be more clear it something you can’t really walk around, during the whole episode I was thinking i don’t think Thomas should be someone to write about issues like this unless he understands it, is actually going to write it clearly, and take it seriously, like there was that one miraculous comic I don’t like to talk about bc of what’s in it, this episode was ok but it kinda made me a little upset bc I know how Astruc is or presents himself as and it’s not rlly ok, idk if what I’m saying makes sense
The reason this episode sucks is because it tries to preach a political message about an issue that does not exist in the world of Miraculous Ladybug.
Alya, Nino, Tsurugi, Kagami, baby August, Kim, Max, Manon, Nora/Anansi, Alya's twin sisters, Max's mother, Cheng Shi fu and Master Fu are all POC (three of whom are chinese) who have been akumatized and faced ZERO racial discrimination throughout the ENTIRE series. They were treated no differently from non-POC characters before or after becoming akumatized either.
So it makes no sense that Sabine is suddenly facing such harsh and blatant racism out of nowhere. This racism issue does not exist before this episode or after.
it was a very tone deaf episode imo. like it was great they would cover a topic like racism, but i feel like maybe they should have had more asian writers behind the episode so that they can really write a story about racial prejudice they’ll face.
I think anyone who is poc may have noticed the racism in this episode much more quicker than others. However I do agree that they should have made it more clear that there was racial injustice (such as replacing “she’s stealing from Parisians” with something more clearer) .
The miraculous team may have had some limitations on the words they could use but this shouldn't be an excuse anymore and they could have found a better way around it. However racial prejudice/injustice CAN be subtle, the miraculous team just did a bad job at it. Overall i liked this episode though since we finally got an episode focused on Sabine.
I would not let Roger shop at my top class bakery anymore. No galettes for him. I know it's not that big of a deal to bar him from a bakery, but still.
Oof a episode involving racism shame it's so clumsy with its execution it feels like they put on the kids gloves on this one which I understand because this is supposed to be a fun kids show but you could be a little deeper
Facts
The thing is kids and families shows tackle all kind of dark topics. And there aremany ways going about rassism, thats i think in most kids and family shows that held up.
Like use fictional slurs, seriously most fictional worlds will have rassism explicit shown in them one firm or another.
There is no reason to not be more explicit one form or another , and maybe tell she experienced that regulary?!
Like how about make the cop not that evil, but let her marinet that happens all the time and how frustrating that is.
I found it interesting that Mari's mum said there was only 4 chouqettes left (idk how to spell that), yet the bus driver is still going after 4! :)
This episode started off strong for me i loved that we got to see more of Marinette's mom the way she was prepared for the morning and being able to predict how Marinette would fall down the stairs and spill the milk was cool although a small nitpick if she knew that the milk was gonna be spilled then why not move the milk but i guess Spongebob has to drink some milk too anyways this episode has pretty much convinced me that Sabine does know Marinette is Ladybug and is just acting like she doesn't know probably with the reason of Marinette will tell me when she's ready but i could be wrong Miraculous Ladybug has made many mistakes before and continues to make them on purpose once both Marinette and Sabine leave home the episode just goes downhill if Marinette knew she was gonna be late to meet up with her mom then why not transform into Ladybug and yo yo her way back home or use the horse miraculous to teleport to her room change clothes and grab what she needs instead she ran home changed clothes and didn't grab her money anyways i didn't mind the animation of the episode because i don't normally pay attention to it i had zero problems with animation for One Punch Man Season 2,Pokemon Sun & Moon and Food Wars Seasons 3-5
Idk why buy I think that Sabine was a former ladybug who had her memories erased. This is further possible by the scene on the bus
They explained that this episode focused more on the anti-disability awareness going on in the bus transit system. I do not think that they talked about Marinette's mother in it considering that they only prefer to talk about the current item of question when they fully talk about anything. They also take into consideration how the public will view their content as well. They definitely explained at the last bit of their conversation regarding the episode they thoguht the public might think that there is a hint of racism inside of the episode. Whatever was the exact reason that I knew what the episode was exactly might have some kind of explanation regarding Sabine maybe possibly being a former Ladybug wielder. It was definitely fully finished prior to them releasing it, probably. Otherwise why they be talking about in detail before it actually got aired?
Honestly the animation was so bad I had the feeling it was a fanmade at some point...
*Lillie holds her bag with Nebby inside of it* Yeah it is pretty weird that her befriend in side of bag.
Also I carry more item just my Pokémon like outfit, potions, repels and etc.
Does that Bag have an Ultra Wormhole inside of it? 🤨
How many Clothes can you fit in there, on Top of a Pokémon, Potions, and all these other Things?
To be fair, I feel like Marinette’s mom already knows about her secret identity she just doesn’t say anything
Sabine deserved a bether episode dedicated to herself!
dude that ding sound when discussing the school scared me, i thought you just left in a text notification the first time but then the sound played again and for some reason that one especially jumpscared me