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A lot of the problems with the developers being slow would have been alleviated if Atari had any kind of decent tools or documentation on development. They brought it on themselves. Had the Jaguar been released by any other company it might have been more successful.
Batman Forever: The Arcade Game wasn’t announced for the Jaguar though, but for the Jaguar CD. Not to mention that it was rescheduled to an April/Q1 1996 release, but yeah, the work on it was discontinued and the Jag CD failed that same year.
I love these videos and came back to watch this many years later as I finally acquired an Atari Jaguar! These videos do leave me pissed and depressed at the same time as well. Haha! I’m not gonna lie, but I’m most intrigued by that Architecture game.
Haha that was the only appropriate way to credit me in this video lol. Great job as usual, my friend. And who knew that Bray Wyatt was playable in Barkley Shut Up And Jam 😂
A great video! I am getting to know the Jaguar more and more these days. A system that could’ve been great but that lacked support in too many aspects.
Another good video as always :) But here's some tidbits of information: - Automaniacs was a spiritual successor made by a wholly different team (Visual Dimensions 3D). It was announced during JagFest '97 and then, nothing about it was showcased anymore. Its like it just vanished. - I would love to know where B.C. Racers was listed for the Jaguar, as AFAIK, Soulstar was the only game Core Design created for the system, though one of their employees did stated that they had a list of possible games to convert for it. That's all and as a sidenote: Damn it! Why we lost Return Fire for the Jaguar CD? :'(
The BC racers question is good. I had a document that listed the games Core was bringing over to the system. I’m fairly well organized when doing these having folders for each game containing all physical documents, along with a complete list of said games with sources sighted for each one. I typically fill that out as I’m writing the script unless I’ve come across a source such as a website, interview or video early on. Anyways, I’ve not a clue what I did with this document. I was a bit shocked to open the folder and have it empty. I’m sure it was misplaced and will turn up in another folder as the series goes on.
@@Jenovi Damn! I would love to know who has the document about RoboCop on the Jaguar. I saw it only once in my life but that was way before i really got involved with video games :( I also want to say thank you so much Jon Carrell for killing not one but two good titles for the system IMO :'(
@@Jenovi Andrew Smith of Core Design has stated Soul Star was the only Sega CD game being ported to Jaguar, others had been planned. So sadly as no work started BC Racers isn't a genuine lost Jaguar title.
Great video. I remember watching screenshots of a barbarian game being made for the jaguar from a French developer. It looked really good but it was never released. Wish I could remember the website that had the screenshots
You know, whenever I see Jaguar games in action, my first thought is always that the developers were trying to do too much, with too little hardware. Like, it's clear the devs really weren't quite sure what to do with it, and kept going for gimmicks (like Kombat-style video captured sprites) rather than focusing on gameplay. Unfortunately for Atari, that was also my perception in 1994.
lol . This made me laugh as it's true. At this point in gaming history, new hardware needed killer 3D games to back it. Graphics > gameplay for most consumers back then.
@@Jenovi It was the double edged sword situation, developers like Rebellion, Imagitec Design, HMS, ATD etc, all small teams and Atari unwilling to invest big budgets and give big cartridges. All working on hardware with terrible development tools, chipsets that needed another 2 hardware revisions etc
@@thefurthestmanfromhome1148 I am not so sure about the hardware revisions. Like even the newest version of the manual talks more about point-cloud explosion effects than texture mapping. Doom and AvP already took the system beyond what the hardware designers did imagine in their concept (not implementation)(I wonder if a lone dev pressed for the roto-scale capability in the Blitter for R-Type or so). More time in revision => PSX would have come out before. The Doom code looks a bit sluggish at time, but it came out in time. With enough support, 1994 would have been the year of the Jag. 2d games run fluent. Cartridge in 16 bin consoles were not bigger. The Jag can apply advanced compression to the sprites .. or can it? The ObjectProcessor can only process 8 bit sprites. Only the background can be 16 or 24 colors. What is better: A lovely chosen palette or JPEG artifacts in the background and central parts of the (multipart) sprites? Atari did provide Video and Audio drivers like on 3do and windows. And then they wondered why this was slower than bare metal coding. The drivers just fit into the internal RAM of Tom and Jerry. So they did not see the need to write tools for code caching.
Dont "need" sprites on a 3d system. If they did exclusive polygon games there would have been a market for the jaguar. Either way the 2d games where trivial
Alone In The Dark to date appears to be pure magazine speculation. They also claimed a Sega 32X version, before saying they were mistaken, it was in development instead for the Saturn.
Thank you very much for this info! If by any chance you managed to find the CD-i version, I would love to get it and share with the interactive community.
Very well presented. I used to own an Atari 400, then 800xl and finished with a 130xe I think Atari lost it's brand recognition back then, they were being ignored by 3rd party developers. There was less than a handful of 3rd party developers, if you owned a BBC, C64, Spectrum even an MSX you had new games weekly. The Tramiel family mismanaged an established brand believing loyalty from consumers would win out over quality, releasing the 5200 and 7800 to compete with Sega and Nintendo was frankly embarrassing. Nintendo had previously approached Atari to be their distributer partner, talk about kicking a gift horse in the teeth! I had a Lynx II, which at the time rivalled Gameboy and gamegear but 3rd party developers realised Atari as a brand sadly died in 1983 crash, realising it was no longer a brand to trust or benefit revenue wise developing for. It is a crying shame that such a brand could end like it did
The ST was successful in Europe, until Commodore dropped the Amiga 500 price. Atari fumbled the Lynx and the Falcon was just a disaster for them, Jaguar was their last hope and they blew it, as they had no real understanding of the console market at that time.
You have a very kind voice, has anyone ever told you that Jenovi? Thank you for these great videos! I love learning more about the Jag. I had a friend who owned one and the CD add on. I had no idea until a few years ago how poorly they sold.
Ha! Thank you for the kind compliment. Seeing these systems while they were on the market was like seeing a leprechaun. It was extremely uncommon for stores to even stock them. Still, it's a huge shock to realize the CD-i, 3DO, and TurboGrafx-16 outsold it. I mean, the Virtual Boy outsold it 3 to 1..... THE VIRTUAL BOY!
Lol, VB 3 to 1? I have a VB, but I got it and 10 games, and a spare visor for just under 100 on clearance. I really like the VB and wish we had got F-Zero and Starfox for it. I really only play Wario Land and Red Alarm anymore though.
A second Beyond Games source got back to me regarding BattleWheels 2000: Dale Jay Meier from Beyond Games also got back to me, regarding Jaguar BattleWheels 2000: "To my knowledge, there wasn't any work done with battle wheels that was actually implemented on the Atari..."
Glad you like them. There’re a bit time consuming to make but well worth it. I have intentions on creating a database website with info and all the boxes at some point. It’s just a matter of time available vs things I’d rather be doing such as make more videos.
Apparently there's recently been a claim made that a source - not named) at Beyond Games, suggested Jaguar BattleWheels 2000 was around 50% complete 🤔 That conflicted with every source i had managed to piece together, which suggested the PC version was the lead version (at least screens of that were shown in the PC press at the time). So I reached out to Clark Stacey of Beyond Games, who was kind enough to reply with.. “To my knowledge BattleWheels never progressed beyond discussion and perhaps a very early prototype on the Jaguar” And pointed me in the direction of other sources who might know more. So if such a claim was made, it wasn't by Clark. Further investigations needed. Beyond were a small team, so it shouldn't be too difficult to get a degree of clarification on said claim. I'd like to thank Clark for his kindness in replying.
I was at 95 E3 and played with the VR unit and every game they showed and was hyped. I thought for sure that they finally had their shit together. Then I visited them a few months later and noticed a lot of the people I had met my first couple of visits during 93/94 where gone. :( Great as usual Jenovi. Just an FYI, AirCars was actually available at Electronics Boutique in an official box. I never bought it stupidly, but it was definitely available at retail even though in limited numbers.
Very interesting. I plan on covering the VR games with their own episode. Maybe 1/2 way though this one? We shall see. We didn’t have EB here but did have a Software ECT about 75 miles down the road.
As a Jag collector since the system came out, I have over 64 carts and tons of Jaguar memerobelia. I remember seeing Battle Wheels on the back of the box and wanted ti to come out but it never did. Would have really loved that one since the Lynx version, despite its terrible graphics, was pretty fun!
@@Jenovi never saw the notice of the reply. Yeah I have the CD unit as well. I have over 100 CD games for the Jag CD which includes the homebrews and ST ports.
I worked at a games company when Atari called us to ask us to port our Discworld onto the Jag CD, they said they were gonna sell a million units, I'm afraid we laughed at them.
Its that a joke or is it true about Discworld being ported to the Jaguar? AFAIK, Discworld for the Jaguar was never listed not mentioned in magazines or Atari Explorer Online.
@@KGRAMR No, they asked us to do it, we never considered it though, and remember, we ported it onto the CDI. We we're porting it onto anything we could get our hands on, but even we had standards.
@@manmonkee Damn...and we're talking about Discworld. You said CD-i version right? So which company did you worked on for that infamously unreleased port, Philips Interactive Media or Teeny Weeny Games?
@@KGRAMR Teeny Weeny, though we we're called perfect Entertainment at the time. We did some brief experiments with a Mega CD version but the backgrounds just looked awful in 16 colours. Hold on, the CDI version was released?, right?.
Thanks Darren for the kind comment! TBH, I'm extremely happy to have the subs a do. It's a slow process getting people on board who care enough to view my content.
too bad it did not do well but maybe in a parallel universe the atari jaguar was a huge success that it did so well and got a jaguar 2 and these games never got cancelled unreleased
You have no idea LOL. I visited their offices a few times as senior editor of VGA magazine and it was a messy office with shit all over the place. It had that WarGames 1980s vibe out the wazoo. I loved the place but understand why Sam was never able to court AAA devs as he just wasn’t focused on that. He thought since the hardware was capable everything would take care of itself. If you had give the Jaguar to Naughty Dog, Konami or Capcom you would have seen great games. As it stands there are at least a couple dozen games that are really good on Jag and I’m happy I still have my launch console with a full library. I even have several pieces of memorabilia I got from Sam and Atari in general during my visits. Oh, and the Jag VR unit was pretty awesome, got to play with that and it was way ahead of it’s time.
Any information on the Rocky Horror game? ATARI gave a pretty good amount of money towards it. Also...WOW...only $3,600 to Hover Strike...that was a decent/fun game imo.
I don’t understand why Atari focussed on scaled sprites 8 years after the Lynx on a stationary console. Super Burnout is great, but apparently the transistors are now missing elsewhere. Why did they not stick with the Lynx blitter?
It was a while back, but Ringler was constantly behind schedule and used his funds to buy new cars...Actually I was running both Ringler projects Correll may have been a bit heavy handed but Ringler over promised and under delivered. Also no idea about Architect, but was probably a place holder for something that never got any traction. And what about Mindripper ????
I've been told some great stories about the antics at Ringler, sounds like it would make a good standalone episode if everyone involved agreed to interviews (not likely to happen). The intention is to cover every game in mostly alphabetic order. This video completes about 15% of the total list. You on Sector III? I would love to chat further.
@@Jenovi Yeah he was quite a character, as was almost everyone involved with Atari at that time...Yeah I am on sector iii and other popular atari forums
Always thought it was a shame that developers tried cashing in on current trends of the time with systems like the Jaguar. It's a very capable machine when games are tailored to the systems hardware. Would've been a fantastic machine for Sega system16 style racing games for example and is quite a powerful 2d pushing machine with good scaling and rotation, etc. type potential. Im not specifically a Jag fan or anything, Im just a gamer and developer who enjoys interesting hardware. It's just one of a few machines I'd like to have seen software for that is tailored to the system rather than attempts of fads from their times that they weren't great at replicating.
Good compilation! Actually almost all of the games developed for the Jag are ports of other consoles games... There's a poor list of exclusives and that's would be the reason of the demise of this console. If your console doesn't have attractive exclusives, never could get popular... Thanks for the reading. And I loved the epilogue talking about the "2000" family of games...
I've only ever seen soulstar first level on 32x and owned the mega cd version. Im curious what the jag woulda looked like because doom was better than 32x yet virtua racing is way better in graphics than the polygon racers on the jag. So curious.
@@Jenovi Soulstar on Jaguar, IMO, is a hybrid between the Sega CD and the also unreleased 32X version, in that it shows pre-rendered sprites along with all the original hand-drawn artwork + the graphical tricks.
You can see why Atari failed so hard....clowns in management. Rejecting these completed games is a joke from Correl. Look at how much garbage was officially released. The best to happen was watching Atari disappear through a reverse take ovet with JTS. Especially for Ringler.
" Battle Chess was originally a PC game"...... er no, it wasn't It was originally an Amiga game. Sounds like a nit pick, but if you're going to present a history of something, get the history right!
I had always love the hardware machines from atari from st to falcon030 and jaguar.. great machines... The problem was just atari... And atari at that time had no more money... So when sony came.. even sega sunk...
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It was always a problem of "too little, too late". The STE first specs said something about 640x480x256 out of a 24 bit palette, more FM channels, more memory, ... but "that's too expensive" so they ended up with the STE. Too close to the STFM to be different and feel closer (or superior) to what Commodore had at the moment. And the proposed specs for the Jaguar 2 where a BIG leap from the Jaguar.
@ STE was originally annouced as an Amiga Beater, when it arrived, it didn't even match the Amiga abilities, Atari lies about the number of sound channels. Atari tech specs were always utter whack, the Pixel animation speed on Jaguar, number of sprites on screen on Panther, always theoretical and completely meaningless
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@@thefurthestmanfromhome1148 the main Atari problem was, like the song, that "bigmouth strikes again". Had Atari keep quiet about the specs until fixed MAYBE it would have fared far better.
I like cartridges but I think collectively the Jaguar would have been better off as a CD based console. At that time making carts was phasing out as the method and even today homebrew is much easier to make as CDs. The Jag today is stuck largely without more flash carts or more working Jag CD units. Although the Jaguar SD Flash Cartridge should help, check out RetroHQ y'all. ;) I would have really liked it if the Jag had a series of flat shaded polygon games, feel like that whole aesthetic never really took off largely because the technology to run it took too long arrive in retail. Idk Correll sounds like an A-hole with no useful input based on records. :(
Retro HQ is doing amazing work. In all honesty, Atari was actively looking to screw everyone they brought on board to develop games for the system. They tried hard to reject milestones on many projects and void contracts when possible. A crap ton of companies came on board to support the Jag only to be crapped on in the end.
@The Furthest Man From Home That is true, video productions cost money and that factors into price. FMV was probably the most obvious way to spend the larger capacity since typically the game programs themselves were still cart/disk sized for awhile EG. SCD, I think CD tracks used the space well while FMV was simply too big for CDs(8 or more) compared to one DVD. Data also evolves in storage format over time too, the 3DO is a good example since mod solutions are more about internal memory to bypass the optical drive rather than fixing it. So even the CD-ROM could be a source of cost savings bitd only to change into an expensive aftermarket repair in the present. Where did the love of physical media go? ^_^
@The Furthest Man From Home Yeah the SCD was one of the earlier adopters of CDs, probably even too early so they couldn't really reap the cost savings of the technology which came much later, nor could I as a user. :\ PS1 is a good example as it came when things were already rolling for CD tech which later still had PS2 games on CD when DVD was a wasteful cost. Sega tried a bit with the Sega Classics Arcade Collection on SCD but eventually the 6-Pak cart became cost effective and sold better with the larger user base than SCD had. NA SCD was way too obsessed with FMV as the PC EngineCD used the technology more effectively under 16-bit limits. Homebrew has been different with the SCD being used more as a soundtrack enhancer while voice tracks are still up for potential use. Video productions have gotten cheaper in the digital age but I'm still not seeing any FMV games on applicable retro systems.
@The Furthest Man From Home I was a Model 2 buyer so I probably wasted a little less money heh, but yeah it was a significant investment for myself at my age then. :\ Although PC CD games hadn't yet hit full stride the PC Engine CD was really opening up stuff beyond what could fit on a cart reading magazine articles of games that often never came here lol. I'd say the Amiga CD32 had it worse though, a lot of plain disk to CD ports. :P Those titles you mention bring up the other wasted hardware, the scaling and rotation, while the existing examples are very good there was just too few to name. For all the hype surrounding sprite S&R bitd it didn't seem like it was used all that much on SCD or SNES. Thought we'd at least get a Sonic Kart Racer along the way but nope. :\ Digital Pictures were shysters selling a product that had already failed to arrive, the NEMO, why SOA bought something shelved that long I'll never know. O_o??? Sega's FMV wasn't ready for full frame but instead should have used video sprites IE. smaller portions, but DP only had content based on VHS video so it didn't happen. If you look at Tex Murphy games in 480p, that is how 16-bit video could run faster, look better, and fit more on CD at 240p. Hadn't heard that about the Paks, oh yeah the IPs in ROS to remove heh but that GA mistake was avoidable. Yeah I think that had potential too, trilogy compilations on CD. :)
@The Furthest Man From Home Oh yeah the Amiga CD32 had good games for sure but overall it could have been handled better. From what I've seen(It's hen's teeth in Canada heh.) the idea was good but they didn't convert the hardware and software enough to a game console EGs. ease of use, proper conversion, good CD loading, stringent bug squashing possible on a fixed hardware. Funny enough there's been a lot of Amiga to Jaguar conversion going on in the homebrew scene probably because the CD32 and Jaguar share a common audience and had similar growing pains. I was a bit skeptical but more on Jaguar is a good thing. :D There was Night Striker only in Japan which was a bit chunky showing some hardware limitations for arcade ports. Then again CORE and others did some great coding but it probably came with some extreme optimizations. So I think Super Scaler arcade ports are possible but not without good programming.
The jag was a great system. Unfortunately many programmer's didn't not use the full power of the system!! Only 1 game uses the 32 bit chip and that was super burnout. Running at 60fps
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So Atari had a chance to get some awesome Sega games onto the Atari Jaguar and they just threw it all out the windows? What a bunch of morons, goes to show they only care about the money and not the business. Once they beat Sega in court and got Sega's money they just ran away with it. Didn't even use the money to research and developed new features for their consoles.
That’s essentially the deal, though some would argue it was only because Sam had a heart attack at the end of ‘95. I might look at that in part 3. FYI, I don’t think it’s a valid argument.
Brother the Jaguar is calling you to make games. The emulator was completed. Actually someone should now make a usb jaguar controller, i would but sadly i lack the skill. @jenovi
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A lot of the problems with the developers being slow would have been alleviated if Atari had any kind of decent tools or documentation on development. They brought it on themselves. Had the Jaguar been released by any other company it might have been more successful.
They feared that developers were Japanese spies.
Batman Forever: The Arcade Game wasn’t announced for the Jaguar though, but for the Jaguar CD. Not to mention that it was rescheduled to an April/Q1 1996 release, but yeah, the work on it was discontinued and the Jag CD failed that same year.
I love these videos and came back to watch this many years later as I finally acquired an Atari Jaguar! These videos do leave me pissed and depressed at the same time as well. Haha!
I’m not gonna lie, but I’m most intrigued by that Architecture game.
The series isn't even done, there are so dang many games.
It's truly heartbreaking to think of hat could have been..I owned a jag and the CD unit when they were relevant.
they were never relevant.
I'm so sorry you wasted all that money...
@@JustinJTime good chance it wasn’t much money since they put everything on clearance so fast.
@@JustinJTimeand I'm sorry you're such a miserable f***
@muggo882 they were the top dog with over 64 bits of pure power. No one else at came even close. DO the math!
Jaguar wasn't at Walmart, Kmart, or Roses back in the day. Only at toys r us and Babbage's. This is why it died. That and piss poor quality control.
The best revenge for Ringler. Correl worked for Atari...LOL
Haha that was the only appropriate way to credit me in this video lol.
Great job as usual, my friend. And who knew that Bray Wyatt was playable in Barkley Shut Up And Jam 😂
Huh. I don't remember what this comment from me is in reference too. Current at 3:12 . Can't wait to find out lol
A great video! I am getting to know the Jaguar more and more these days. A system that could’ve been great but that lacked support in too many aspects.
It needed at least one more major developer backing it and support from ATARI, the arcade company.
Another good video as always :) But here's some tidbits of information:
- Automaniacs was a spiritual successor made by a wholly different team (Visual Dimensions 3D). It was announced during JagFest '97 and then, nothing about it was showcased anymore. Its like it just vanished.
- I would love to know where B.C. Racers was listed for the Jaguar, as AFAIK, Soulstar was the only game Core Design created for the system, though one of their employees did stated that they had a list of possible games to convert for it.
That's all and as a sidenote: Damn it! Why we lost Return Fire for the Jaguar CD? :'(
The BC racers question is good. I had a document that listed the games Core was bringing over to the system. I’m fairly well organized when doing these having folders for each game containing all physical documents, along with a complete list of said games with sources sighted for each one. I typically fill that out as I’m writing the script unless I’ve come across a source such as a website, interview or video early on. Anyways, I’ve not a clue what I did with this document. I was a bit shocked to open the folder and have it empty. I’m sure it was misplaced and will turn up in another folder as the series goes on.
@@Jenovi Damn! I would love to know who has the document about RoboCop on the Jaguar. I saw it only once in my life but that was way before i really got involved with video games :( I also want to say thank you so much Jon Carrell for killing not one but two good titles for the system IMO :'(
@@Jenovi Andrew Smith of Core Design has stated Soul Star was the only Sega CD game being ported to Jaguar, others had been planned.
So sadly as no work started BC Racers isn't a genuine lost Jaguar title.
Great video. I remember watching screenshots of a barbarian game being made for the jaguar from a French developer. It looked really good but it was never released. Wish I could remember the website that had the screenshots
Thanks! This video puts the games covered at around 15%. Hopefully it pops up and you recognize it in the remaining episodes.
That's Conan by Arcade Zone. We really lost a good one... :'(
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@@KGRAMR yep that is it!!
You know, whenever I see Jaguar games in action, my first thought is always that the developers were trying to do too much, with too little hardware. Like, it's clear the devs really weren't quite sure what to do with it, and kept going for gimmicks (like Kombat-style video captured sprites) rather than focusing on gameplay.
Unfortunately for Atari, that was also my perception in 1994.
lol . This made me laugh as it's true. At this point in gaming history, new hardware needed killer 3D games to back it. Graphics > gameplay for most consumers back then.
@@Jenovi It was the double edged sword situation, developers like Rebellion, Imagitec Design, HMS, ATD etc, all small teams and Atari unwilling to invest big budgets and give big cartridges.
All working on hardware with terrible development tools, chipsets that needed another 2 hardware revisions etc
@@thefurthestmanfromhome1148 I am not so sure about the hardware revisions. Like even the newest version of the manual talks more about point-cloud explosion effects than texture mapping. Doom and AvP already took the system beyond what the hardware designers did imagine in their concept (not implementation)(I wonder if a lone dev pressed for the roto-scale capability in the Blitter for R-Type or so). More time in revision => PSX would have come out before. The Doom code looks a bit sluggish at time, but it came out in time. With enough support, 1994 would have been the year of the Jag. 2d games run fluent. Cartridge in 16 bin consoles were not bigger. The Jag can apply advanced compression to the sprites .. or can it? The ObjectProcessor can only process 8 bit sprites. Only the background can be 16 or 24 colors. What is better: A lovely chosen palette or JPEG artifacts in the background and central parts of the (multipart) sprites?
Atari did provide Video and Audio drivers like on 3do and windows. And then they wondered why this was slower than bare metal coding. The drivers just fit into the internal RAM of Tom and Jerry. So they did not see the need to write tools for code caching.
Dont "need" sprites on a 3d system. If they did exclusive polygon games there would have been a market for the jaguar. Either way the 2d games where trivial
Alone In The Dark to date appears to be pure magazine speculation. They also claimed a Sega 32X version, before saying they were mistaken, it was in development instead for the Saturn.
7:13 It's fun that there's an ad for Black Ice White Noise in this game...
Your video’s always make me more interested in cancelled games and it always puts a smile on my face
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Thank you very much for this info!
If by any chance you managed to find the CD-i version, I would love to get it and share with the interactive community.
Very well presented. I used to own an Atari 400, then 800xl and finished with a 130xe I think Atari lost it's brand recognition back then, they were being ignored by 3rd party developers. There was less than a handful of 3rd party developers, if you owned a BBC, C64, Spectrum even an MSX you had new games weekly. The Tramiel family mismanaged an established brand believing loyalty from consumers would win out over quality, releasing the 5200 and 7800 to compete with Sega and Nintendo was frankly embarrassing. Nintendo had previously approached Atari to be their distributer partner, talk about kicking a gift horse in the teeth! I had a Lynx II, which at the time rivalled Gameboy and gamegear but 3rd party developers realised Atari as a brand sadly died in 1983 crash, realising it was no longer a brand to trust or benefit revenue wise developing for. It is a crying shame that such a brand could end like it did
The ST was successful in Europe, until Commodore dropped the Amiga 500 price.
Atari fumbled the Lynx and the Falcon was just a disaster for them, Jaguar was their last hope and they blew it, as they had no real understanding of the console market at that time.
You have a very kind voice, has anyone ever told you that Jenovi?
Thank you for these great videos! I love learning more about the Jag. I had a friend who owned one and the CD add on. I had no idea until a few years ago how poorly they sold.
Ha! Thank you for the kind compliment. Seeing these systems while they were on the market was like seeing a leprechaun. It was extremely uncommon for stores to even stock them. Still, it's a huge shock to realize the CD-i, 3DO, and TurboGrafx-16 outsold it. I mean, the Virtual Boy outsold it 3 to 1..... THE VIRTUAL BOY!
Lol, VB 3 to 1? I have a VB, but I got it and 10 games, and a spare visor for just under 100 on clearance. I really like the VB and wish we had got F-Zero and Starfox for it. I really only play Wario Land and Red Alarm anymore though.
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A second Beyond Games source got back to me regarding BattleWheels 2000:
Dale Jay Meier from Beyond Games also got back to me, regarding Jaguar BattleWheels 2000:
"To my knowledge, there wasn't any work done with battle wheels that was actually implemented on the Atari..."
Those box art pics would make amazing collage posters. Nice job
Glad you like them. There’re a bit time consuming to make but well worth it. I have intentions on creating a database website with info and all the boxes at some point. It’s just a matter of time available vs things I’d rather be doing such as make more videos.
Apparently there's recently been a claim made that a source - not named) at Beyond Games, suggested Jaguar BattleWheels 2000 was around 50% complete 🤔
That conflicted with every source i had managed to piece together, which suggested the PC version was the lead version (at least screens of that were shown in the PC press at the time).
So I reached out to Clark Stacey of Beyond Games, who was kind enough to reply with..
“To my knowledge BattleWheels never progressed beyond discussion and perhaps a very early prototype on the Jaguar”
And pointed me in the direction of other sources who might know more.
So if such a claim was made, it wasn't by Clark.
Further investigations needed.
Beyond were a small team, so it shouldn't be too difficult to get a degree of clarification on said claim.
I'd like to thank Clark for his kindness in replying.
that ringler atudios story is crazzzzyy. good video!
I was at 95 E3 and played with the VR unit and every game they showed and was hyped. I thought for sure that they finally had their shit together. Then I visited them a few months later and noticed a lot of the people I had met my first couple of visits during 93/94 where gone. :(
Great as usual Jenovi. Just an FYI, AirCars was actually available at Electronics Boutique in an official box. I never bought it stupidly, but it was definitely available at retail even though in limited numbers.
OK that's new to all of us... o_0' It was just the box tray with the manual or it had a legit cover art?
Very interesting. I plan on covering the VR games with their own episode. Maybe 1/2 way though this one? We shall see. We didn’t have EB here but did have a Software ECT about 75 miles down the road.
Very well done episode. Loved it.
Respectfully
Glen Planamento
Glen's Retro Show on TH-cam
Thanks Glen!
As a Jag collector since the system came out, I have over 64 carts and tons of Jaguar memerobelia. I remember seeing Battle Wheels on the back of the box and wanted ti to come out but it never did. Would have really loved that one since the Lynx version, despite its terrible graphics, was pretty fun!
Do you own the CD system?
@@Jenovi never saw the notice of the reply. Yeah I have the CD unit as well. I have over 100 CD games for the Jag CD which includes the homebrews and ST ports.
Hey man, as a huge obsure gaming fan, 32x, jag, 3DO, I have enjoyed all of these videos. Keep up the awesome work!
Thanks!
5:38 Hey, that's the theme of "Bloody Mary"!!! I have good memories with this song in Real Bout Special...
I have a thing for Neo Geo game music.
I worked at a games company when Atari called us to ask us to port our Discworld onto the Jag CD, they said they were gonna sell a million units, I'm afraid we laughed at them.
lol
Its that a joke or is it true about Discworld being ported to the Jaguar? AFAIK, Discworld for the Jaguar was never listed not mentioned in magazines or Atari Explorer Online.
@@KGRAMR No, they asked us to do it, we never considered it though, and remember, we ported it onto the CDI. We we're porting it onto anything we could get our hands on, but even we had standards.
@@manmonkee Damn...and we're talking about Discworld. You said CD-i version right? So which company did you worked on for that infamously unreleased port, Philips Interactive Media or Teeny Weeny Games?
@@KGRAMR Teeny Weeny, though we we're called perfect Entertainment at the time. We did some brief experiments with a Mega CD version but the backgrounds just looked awful in 16 colours. Hold on, the CDI version was released?, right?.
how the f have you only got that many subscribers? Great vid...informative.
Thanks Darren for the kind comment! TBH, I'm extremely happy to have the subs a do. It's a slow process getting people on board who care enough to view my content.
You mentioned IDC as the maker of Catbox. It's actually ICD. Dyslexia aside, great video.
Thanks! Glad you enjoyed it botching company names aside.
Crushing it as usual.
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too bad it did not do well but maybe in a parallel universe the atari jaguar was a huge success that it did so well and got a jaguar 2 and these games never got cancelled unreleased
😂 I love this!
I remember when I was 9 years old (1994) and seeing the Atari Jaguar box at Toys R Us and thought I would be the cool kid if I owned that.
Did you get it?
LOL No!
Maybe a little lucky considering.
I love hearing about atari and how messy they were with everything ever lolol
Tell me you watched part one first.
@@Jenovi Oh yeah!! This was a carried over comment that made me laugh as you went further into this video hahaha
You have no idea LOL. I visited their offices a few times as senior editor of VGA magazine and it was a messy office with shit all over the place. It had that WarGames 1980s vibe out the wazoo. I loved the place but understand why Sam was never able to court AAA devs as he just wasn’t focused on that. He thought since the hardware was capable everything would take care of itself. If you had give the Jaguar to Naughty Dog, Konami or Capcom you would have seen great games. As it stands there are at least a couple dozen games that are really good on Jag and I’m happy I still have my launch console with a full library. I even have several pieces of memorabilia I got from Sam and Atari in general during my visits. Oh, and the Jag VR unit was pretty awesome, got to play with that and it was way ahead of it’s time.
@@Gorilla_Jones very interesting information! Do you have any photos of what you got from that visit you could share?
Any information on the Rocky Horror game? ATARI gave a pretty good amount of money towards it. Also...WOW...only $3,600 to Hover Strike...that was a decent/fun game imo.
I have notes on it, but have yet to dive deep into the research phase.
The PC version was released and it wasn't great, it's likely the Jag CD version would of been the same, FMV quality wise.
I could never understand why Atari didn’t have the lynx developers jump on the Jag. And the lynx had all those great Atari arcade hits too!
I don’t understand why Atari focussed on scaled sprites 8 years after the Lynx on a stationary console. Super Burnout is great, but apparently the transistors are now missing elsewhere. Why did they not stick with the Lynx blitter?
They did.
Telegames.
Handmade Software
Beyond Games.
Let alone their own internal teams.
I liked the Jaguar and it had some decent games. It seems management was the reason Atari and the Jaguar died.
It was a while back, but Ringler was constantly behind schedule and used his funds to buy new cars...Actually I was running both Ringler projects Correll may have been a bit heavy handed but Ringler over promised and under delivered. Also no idea about Architect, but was probably a place holder for something that never got any traction. And what about Mindripper ????
I've been told some great stories about the antics at Ringler, sounds like it would make a good standalone episode if everyone involved agreed to interviews (not likely to happen). The intention is to cover every game in mostly alphabetic order. This video completes about 15% of the total list. You on Sector III? I would love to chat further.
@@Jenovi Yeah he was quite a character, as was almost everyone involved with Atari at that time...Yeah I am on sector iii and other popular atari forums
@@jimmitwerk5669 Aren't you the one who produced Bubsy on the Jaguar? Just curious...
@@KGRAMR Guilty as charged
I have seen that Atari is now also active in other areas. Has anyone ever read or found out anything about it?
We talking about the "New Atari"? Not really the same company.
Crazy how much better Jag could have dond
Are you doing more videos about unreleased official Jaguar games? I don’t believe you mentioned Total Carnage yet...
The goal is to cover every unreleased game. I'm about 15% done at this point. BTW, Total Carnage is great.
@@Jenovi Cool, I'll keep checking them out!
13:20 battEL lords & battEL wheels - it made me check a dictionary... typo?
I had Brett Hull cart version from b&c computervisions. Not terrible
At last an American that can pronounce jaguar properly
Great video! Subbed!
Thanks! Welcome aboard the Retro Impressions train.
Always thought it was a shame that developers tried cashing in on current trends of the time with systems like the Jaguar.
It's a very capable machine when games are tailored to the systems hardware. Would've been a fantastic machine for Sega system16 style racing games for example and is quite a powerful 2d pushing machine with good scaling and rotation, etc. type potential.
Im not specifically a Jag fan or anything, Im just a gamer and developer who enjoys interesting hardware. It's just one of a few machines I'd like to have seen software for that is tailored to the system rather than attempts of fads from their times that they weren't great at replicating.
I fully agree. I really wish we could have seen some of the Non-Sega super scalers released on that platform.
@@Jenovi Super burnout is as good as it's gonna get. Probably bettr or on par with the sega racers.
I loved this episode!
Great videos as always man, but I think you may be sitting just a little too close to the camera ☺️
lol. I was trying to get close and personal with everyone.
Hey Jenovi! I saw an Atari Jaguar + CD in the wild the other day. Would you say it's worth 750 USD if it came with a controller + cords?
Hmmm. Maybe with both boxes in good condition, otherwise no.
YOU CAN'T BEAT 64 BIT JAGUAR GAMING MASTER!!!
B.I.O.S.Fear cover art looks alot like Slenderman just saying lol
I have a soft spot for failed consoles. I always feel that they deserved better.
Good compilation! Actually almost all of the games developed for the Jag are ports of other consoles games... There's a poor list of exclusives and that's would be the reason of the demise of this console. If your console doesn't have attractive exclusives, never could get popular...
Thanks for the reading. And I loved the epilogue talking about the "2000" family of games...
Personally I feel there were some great exclusives at the time, though some of those went multi platform in later years.
@@Jenovi that's true, buy I doesn't talk about the quality of the exclusives, I'm talking about its number.
@The Furthest Man From Home Where the info of BattleWheels and Ultra Vortek for 3DO can be found?
15:47 In my copy of Atari karts, this music is totally "broken", like it's detuned.
Man, I really like Atari Karts. I wonder if it's your cart or the system?
@@Jenovi Maybe a 50/60hz problem. It sounds like this: th-cam.com/video/uSreTHiwi_E/w-d-xo.html
I dont know why somebody thumbs down?! Nice Vid where can I download them?
Not sure.
I've only ever seen soulstar first level on 32x and owned the mega cd version. Im curious what the jag woulda looked like because doom was better than 32x yet virtua racing is way better in graphics than the polygon racers on the jag. So curious.
Soulstar Xwas further along on the Jag than the 32X. It's dumped so it should be fun to discuss it.
@@Jenovi Soulstar on Jaguar, IMO, is a hybrid between the Sega CD and the also unreleased 32X version, in that it shows pre-rendered sprites along with all the original hand-drawn artwork + the graphical tricks.
Hard to believe, but the Mode 7 style floors are running slower on the Jag CD version than the Sega Mega CD version
@@thefurthestmanfromhome1148 I actually haven't seen the jaguar version.... ill look it up
Yea boi get it!
woot!
You missed Jaguar Bomberman.
New Sub here I like how you articulate yourself so yeah I like you..
Thanks Rob, I like you too. Thanks for watching.
@@Jenovi You are very welcome and I value those that can use the English language well =)
Oh, you're a mark too then.
Subbed.
Welcome aboard the Retro Impressions train.
You can see why Atari failed so hard....clowns in management. Rejecting these completed games is a joke from Correl. Look at how much garbage was officially released. The best to happen was watching Atari disappear through a reverse take ovet with JTS. Especially for Ringler.
So what was Atari accusing Sega of doing exactly?
Violating a large list of video game related pattens.
@Bruce S Ahh, is that why you can use a Genesis controller on an Atari ?
The Jaguar had everything it needed in the pipeline but was never to be sad very sad
" Battle Chess was originally a PC game"...... er no, it wasn't It was originally an Amiga game. Sounds like a nit pick, but if you're going to present a history of something, get the history right!
I had always love the hardware machines from atari from st to falcon030 and jaguar.. great machines... The problem was just atari... And atari at that time had no more money... So when sony came.. even sega sunk...
It was always a problem of "too little, too late". The STE first specs said something about 640x480x256 out of a 24 bit palette, more FM channels, more memory, ... but "that's too expensive" so they ended up with the STE. Too close to the STFM to be different and feel closer (or superior) to what Commodore had at the moment.
And the proposed specs for the Jaguar 2 where a BIG leap from the Jaguar.
@ STE was originally annouced as an Amiga Beater, when it arrived, it didn't even match the Amiga abilities, Atari lies about the number of sound channels.
Atari tech specs were always utter whack, the Pixel animation speed on Jaguar, number of sprites on screen on Panther, always theoretical and completely meaningless
@@thefurthestmanfromhome1148 the main Atari problem was, like the song, that "bigmouth strikes again". Had Atari keep quiet about the specs until fixed MAYBE it would have fared far better.
I like cartridges but I think collectively the Jaguar would have been better off as a CD based console. At that time making carts was phasing out as the method and even today homebrew is much easier to make as CDs. The Jag today is stuck largely without more flash carts or more working Jag CD units. Although the Jaguar SD Flash Cartridge should help, check out RetroHQ y'all. ;)
I would have really liked it if the Jag had a series of flat shaded polygon games, feel like that whole aesthetic never really took off largely because the technology to run it took too long arrive in retail. Idk Correll sounds like an A-hole with no useful input based on records. :(
Retro HQ is doing amazing work. In all honesty, Atari was actively looking to screw everyone they brought on board to develop games for the system. They tried hard to reject milestones on many projects and void contracts when possible. A crap ton of companies came on board to support the Jag only to be crapped on in the end.
@The Furthest Man From Home That is true, video productions cost money and that factors into price. FMV was probably the most obvious way to spend the larger capacity since typically the game programs themselves were still cart/disk sized for awhile EG. SCD, I think CD tracks used the space well while FMV was simply too big for CDs(8 or more) compared to one DVD.
Data also evolves in storage format over time too, the 3DO is a good example since mod solutions are more about internal memory to bypass the optical drive rather than fixing it. So even the CD-ROM could be a source of cost savings bitd only to change into an expensive aftermarket repair in the present. Where did the love of physical media go? ^_^
@The Furthest Man From Home Yeah the SCD was one of the earlier adopters of CDs, probably even too early so they couldn't really reap the cost savings of the technology which came much later, nor could I as a user. :\ PS1 is a good example as it came when things were already rolling for CD tech which later still had PS2 games on CD when DVD was a wasteful cost.
Sega tried a bit with the Sega Classics Arcade Collection on SCD but eventually the 6-Pak cart became cost effective and sold better with the larger user base than SCD had. NA SCD was way too obsessed with FMV as the PC EngineCD used the technology more effectively under 16-bit limits. Homebrew has been different with the SCD being used more as a soundtrack enhancer while voice tracks are still up for potential use. Video productions have gotten cheaper in the digital age but I'm still not seeing any FMV games on applicable retro systems.
@The Furthest Man From Home I was a Model 2 buyer so I probably wasted a little less money heh, but yeah it was a significant investment for myself at my age then. :\ Although PC CD games hadn't yet hit full stride the PC Engine CD was really opening up stuff beyond what could fit on a cart reading magazine articles of games that often never came here lol. I'd say the Amiga CD32 had it worse though, a lot of plain disk to CD ports. :P
Those titles you mention bring up the other wasted hardware, the scaling and rotation, while the existing examples are very good there was just too few to name. For all the hype surrounding sprite S&R bitd it didn't seem like it was used all that much on SCD or SNES. Thought we'd at least get a Sonic Kart Racer along the way but nope. :\
Digital Pictures were shysters selling a product that had already failed to arrive, the NEMO, why SOA bought something shelved that long I'll never know. O_o??? Sega's FMV wasn't ready for full frame but instead should have used video sprites IE. smaller portions, but DP only had content based on VHS video so it didn't happen. If you look at Tex Murphy games in 480p, that is how 16-bit video could run faster, look better, and fit more on CD at 240p.
Hadn't heard that about the Paks, oh yeah the IPs in ROS to remove heh but that GA mistake was avoidable. Yeah I think that had potential too, trilogy compilations on CD. :)
@The Furthest Man From Home Oh yeah the Amiga CD32 had good games for sure but overall it could have been handled better. From what I've seen(It's hen's teeth in Canada heh.) the idea was good but they didn't convert the hardware and software enough to a game console EGs. ease of use, proper conversion, good CD loading, stringent bug squashing possible on a fixed hardware.
Funny enough there's been a lot of Amiga to Jaguar conversion going on in the homebrew scene probably because the CD32 and Jaguar share a common audience and had similar growing pains. I was a bit skeptical but more on Jaguar is a good thing. :D
There was Night Striker only in Japan which was a bit chunky showing some hardware limitations for arcade ports. Then again CORE and others did some great coding but it probably came with some extreme optimizations. So I think Super Scaler arcade ports are possible but not without good programming.
Blue Mary's Blues!
good video
Glad you enjoyed it.
It’s not jeg u ar it’s jaguar jaguar JAGUAR
13:33 my goodness that looks awful
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Jag-U-are
Pun-released
Do you like luxury,jag-u-are
Anybody know what I wrote is From?
Jag-Wire
@@davidmasci4335 haha, nice!!!
Is this the guy from yesterland?
joe evans Yesterland?
@@Jenovi yesterworld
joe evans I’m not familiar with that, what is it?
Stop saying Jeg-U-Wer!!
The jag was a great system. Unfortunately many programmer's didn't not use the full power of the system!! Only 1 game uses the 32 bit chip and that was super burnout. Running at 60fps
Jay gyoo werr???
Jag gwar
jaguar sega cd 32x virtual boy lynx all had one thing in common they sucked very disappointing
It's pronounced JagWar not Jaguwer.
Jag...War?
@@Jenovi Hey, you said it right for once.
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Hes cute
My favorite part of your channel is your room isn't full of cliche nerd junk and stupid action figures and plastic crap. You don't dress like a 9 year old boy. You seem like a regular dude who isn't wearing a Google(TM) adsense(R) friendly costume
So Atari had a chance to get some awesome Sega games onto the Atari Jaguar and they just threw it all out the windows? What a bunch of morons, goes to show they only care about the money and not the business. Once they beat Sega in court and got Sega's money they just ran away with it. Didn't even use the money to research and developed new features for their consoles.
That’s essentially the deal, though some would argue it was only because Sam had a heart attack at the end of ‘95. I might look at that in part 3. FYI, I don’t think it’s a valid argument.
Jag sucked 5200 was better.
Just stating the obvious I see. 🤠
Brother the Jaguar is calling you to make games. The emulator was completed. Actually someone should now make a usb jaguar controller, i would but sadly i lack the skill. @jenovi
A game? Tempting, but it wouldn't be for the Jag. The love the system but the user base is small.
Here is what I've found out so far regarding Demolition Man and Magic Carpet
www.3do.cdinteractive.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=3829
I hope this helps
Thanks Chris.