That's because beta testing isn't for reporting bugs despite the fact they claim that. It's for sharing how "awesome" the next expansion is going to be, and for them to get free advertising by you spreading the news.
I understand your frustration. On the other hand, the beta is often the only time to experience a game system when it is fun before their Hadoop jobs finish and the fun police "balance" the life out of the expansion
Is this even an exploit? Seems to me like Blizzard just designed the game to naturally reward those with alts, then got mad when the game worked exactly like they intended it to.
Nothing better than getting disconnected because of jumping while swimming, but ya know- the flyhackers abusing every instance never stop playing. Ever.
Game developers don't test their games anymore. They will have an online beta server and give the public access to it. When you play it, you are expected to report any bugs or glitches you encounter. So big developers rely on the public to do community service to test their games. Big game developers will lay off entire departments of people to cut costs and then ask the public to test their games. All while having record profits. A few months ago, I received a temporary ban on a game I was playing. I didn't break any rules but still received the ban. What did I do? I whispered someone on a alt when the y had my main ignored. I was accused of circumventing the ignore system. So big corporate companies who own games hire people to write code and create games and content for those games. Think of these games as a miniature world. These game designers are like God's. They create the rules. Sometimes these game creators make mistakes. As I said they don't test their games. So, they will write code, and not test it they rely on the public test realms. If you discover this mistake in game, you might be accused of exploiting. It's weird, I have come across bugs in games before that hurt the player experience. I reported it. I was told it was working as intended. I've come across bugs in the game that made player experience more fun. You can be accused of exploiting for those. As a consumer I am not responsible for any content in a game. It's reasonable to believe that all of the content I bought and paid for should be working as intended and not an exploit. It's actually pretty narcissistic for a billion-dollar company to put blame on you for exploiting when you have bought and paid for a quality product. Let's not forget you created the product. You created the rules. you are in control. So, if I obey your rules of the game and you realize that some of the rules you made were unfair that's still the company's fault and not the fault of the consumer. The consumer who bought and paid for the game and obeyed all of your rules. For those of you who don't understand, let's say a game developer designs a in game gun to do 50 points of damage. They make a mistake and make it do 500 points of damage. Players naturally use that gun more because it does more damage. They can all be accused of exploiting a in game bug. But they still followed all the rules of the quality product they paid for. The fault is with the game designers that work for the company. Not the consumer.
I am always amazed blizzard don't have a whiteboard or sticky notes system with reminders of common bugs/problems we see time and time again. Things like EVERY SINGLE OUTDOOR WORLD EVENT CAUSING MASS SERVER LAG. They launch time rifts, Thaldraszus lags to shit. They get screamed at in forums for 2 weeks, they limit the shard to 75 players, the lag stops. Then they launch the next world event with the same lag, get yelled at, fix it.... this happened with time rifts, emerald dream, dream surges and prepatch, and will happen again during anniversary event. A simple sticky note: Limit the shard of an event to 75 players! Would be all it takes to solve this repeating issue in advance.
In addition I think they need to bring back snapshotting. Preach had a great video on why the absence of this causes lag. But yeah 75 players max is a good working fix they patently struggle with anything more.
Here's my thoughts on the Arcane Splinters thing. It was working exactly as the tooltip stated it would. The tooltip shown in this video says "Whenever you have 8 OR MORE stacks you automatically cast a Splinterstorm at your target." and that is exactly what it did. Guess what, you don't have to target things to hit them with attacks and spells. It is not uncommon for some players to set bosses as Focus Target and then use macros that cast spells at forcus so they don't have to worry about their target changing for whatever reason. Some players also use macros that cast spells at whatever the nearest enemy is without targeting anything. Yeah it's odd, but it's not against the rules, and Blizzard is responsible for how the macro system works and what it can do. They coded the talent in a specific way and worded the tooltip specifically in a way that spelled out, "Hey, if you go out of your way to NOT directly target anything, then the stacks will continue to build higher than 8. Go have fun, see how high you can get the stacks to go." And you want me to believe they didn't fully expect top end mages to try and push it as far as it could go? Nah, I'm not buying it. They knew this was possible. They were just taken aback by all the dumb dumb normies that think macros are cheating and whined about something that they didn't understand.
By this logic, Ignore pain should still be apart of Arms's rotation. No. Blizz sees what they determine as "degenerate" rotations used to get an advantage in combat, think "hey wait....that's really fucking stupid" and they take it out, like they should. Imagine if this got even more out of control, now EVREYONE has to play that way and it'll probally kill the spec cuz it's just not fun lol
What kind of copium is that, noone in their right mind uses the focus frame as their target frame. And no it wasn‘t intended that way, it‘s clearly meant as the primary target you’re hitting. I mean you can lie to yourself and call it whatever but this was not intended, if it were it wouldnt have been „fixed“
...so, let me get this straight, Blizzard doesn't test their content for bugs and exploits before they implement/release it and then punish the players for exploiting said oversight/deficiencies based solely on Blizzard's own shortcomings? That's stupid! Punishing others for your own stupidity is just that... stupid. Players find exploits that Blizzard is responsible for implementing and then turn and ban/suspend them for it? Blizzard should thank them whom found the exploit, leave them be and just fix it properly but, apparently that's too much to ask. ...and Blizzard wonders why player confidence is low. It's demoralizing and just makes gamers go elsewhere. ...it's stupid. Thanks for the video!
day 1 of a game you have millions of players essentially QA testinng the game, you could hire an army, and it'd take you years to QA test a game to that degree...
I could leave my car unlocked and the keys in the ignition. You could potentially climb in and drive off with it. Now you could argue that you found a loophole and there is nothing wrong with that but theft is theft. Before you say the law is different this is Blizzards game and they can write their own laws. Don’t bother arguing with me because from this point on you are just wrong and I’ll save you the embarrassment.
what is stupid is that the top players still can't figure out right from wrong, Method have been getting banned for exploiting since WoTLK. It would be like me punching an old lady in the face and then having a bitch when the law wants to punish me, it's the cops shortcomings for not stopping me. I don't do that though because I know the difference between right and wrong and I'm not a toxic cunt of a person. Maybe Method and friends should just make some better decisions if they care enough. who the fuck even wants to cheat when you are one of the best anyway???
@@razerfangegaming8548 “Before you say the law is different this is Blizzards game and they can write their own laws.” Don’t you just hate it when your obvious rebuttal is already addressed? I guess you’re staying for the embarrassment as long as you get the attention right? Such a child.
thanks for another Free awesome vid Archvaldor, truly you are a gem on youtube :D been following you since pandaland. on the topic of bugs, blizzard most recently on classic wows brewfest, the Mugs on the tables werent able to be picked up and tossed for the daily quest or the hourly event. for over 5 days. after hundreds of reports in the first 3 days. fixed now, and of course its not a Huge issue, but still annoying.
I don't know if this was related to the exploit I saw at the Seigehold, down there the first week. Was groups of 5+ players that were mass pulling and mass AOE farming super heavy respawns. Instantly respawning mobs and they were all power grinding them. I was there and noticed with my skinner, and hung around for a short time ended up with like 300 of the Chitin before I realised, ya know, this is very clearly some sort of exploit happening I think I will hearth out and go do something else and not be associated with this. LOL
blizzard logic fire Q/A testers, players find exploit, punish players for there ineptitude. funny thing there still a ways to keep a 10% rep bonus threw the month just need the right class & tickets, which are now warbound, ride tickets for the hole month . ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Once back in the old days when Wrath first came out, I reported some anoying bugs. It took a while but when I played my third twink they were mostly gone. Last time I played it was Battle for Azeroth, the bugs I found were never ever fixed. Maybe they are now but I really doubt it. Never touched the game since then, looked at the stream of a former guild member after it, but it was so dumbed down and appealing to the casual audience I never bothered again.
I think if I played multiple characters and discovered the weaver rep "bug", I would probably have assumed this was how it was intended to work and just played accordingly. I'm glad I didn't!
I found an exploit on pallies, switch to light smith, imbue your weapon, switch back to templar and the imbue follows and you get an unkillable ret pally.
The type of exploits are mostly fun, useful and fairly harmless to other players so I think that's actually very positive. What IS sad is that a lot of basic game functionality is broken - that's not down to me or the exploit community that's Blizzard being crap.
My favorite part about new expansions is how just before beta there is always a bunch of players going on about how pumped they are for this new expansion, desperately trying to convince themselves it will be good by telling a bunch of random strangers online.
I miss the exploit in RIFT back in the day with the defiler before they changed it to a dps class vs a healing class, you could out dps anyone on trash mobs through the dungeon do to spreading dots then breaking the timer and doing more damage with an ability and then the spike heals were insane, 5% to 100% in 2 seconds or less on anyone in the game due to the sheer high heals you had which were HATS(heal after time) and breaking those with an instant heal for bonus healing and your HATS came from 1 damaging ability and it would go to random members and also you could divert 30% of damage from the tank, you also had a 15% and 5% damage divert from 2 other members so total of 3 members, making YOU the TANK, GOD i miss that class so much
I'm just glad the exploit that my friends and I have been using hasn't been noticed, even though our spoils have been out in the open constantly. Even had people go comment online about it and nobody was none the wiser since it's so obscure. The best exploits are the fun ones that don't give an advantage yet give you something to show off. Well, at least I don't think having cosmetics I shouldn't have isn't advantageous, anyway. Regarding the race to world first exploit though, I am fully on team "ban him for a day". The race should be a test of skill, not a test of who can slip the most undetected roids like an Olympics athlete. Too little too late now though.
Edit this. At least the last sentence of the first paragraph.. In regard to the world first bans. It should be a ban until 3 days into the race. Just because they are word first racers doesn't mean we should let them cheat and under punish them.
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Do you remember in the WoD beta when unsquished gear was oneshotting Blackhand? I do. Fortunately that was one of the rare instances where a bug report in beta lead to a fix.
One of my alt account got banned recently for "Using cheat software" which was very not true. I was running two accounts at the same time helping myself complete some mechagon world things. When I appealed they basically blew me off. Meanwhile high profile players will exploit stuff and only get a slap on the wrist.
This is one of the things that annoys me most about Blizzard. Their attitude with situations like this is so arrogant. Even Thor is kindof a POS about this sometimes.
This expansion has had the biggest amount of meat riders for Blizzard's failures/shortcomings I've ever seen. One of the huge threads on Warband banks vanishing was nothing but people defending Blizzard's lack of inaction and transparency, and shitting on the OP for daring call them out on that issue.
The forums are a hellhole full of a very vocal group of meatriders for Blizz. It's why I never go there anymore. I always see the same people posting, and they defend Blizzard no matter what like they're literally getting paid for it.
It isn't just Blizzard, it is every gaming company. I've beta tested dozens of mmo's since the genre was created and none of the dev teams fixed them before launch, or after. The only ones that do get fixed are major graphical bugs that ruin the game blatantly, like the speeder taxi bug in SWTOR's beta that left copies of the speeder all over the sky forever. They fixed that but then didn't fix countless bugs I reported in skill exploits or dungeon exploits.
How can you ban people for doing something that is in the game? Who was supposed to tell these people that it wasnt intended and that they will be banned if they do it? Blizzard dropped the ball and shouldnt punish people for their own mistake
I'm afraid to say I haven't always kept strictly to that to be honest...mainly because of fighting premades in pvp where they tend to use exploits themselves. But yeah as a general rule.
I'd argue they just back peddled on the alt renown. You can grind the rep for them if you really want to, it just becomes harder. This is when we find out that grinding is against the rules in an MMO.
They didn’t need to ban him for long, even a single day would’ve drawn a line in the sand and made it clear this kind of exploit isn’t okay. It seems very silly to give multiple day bans for rep exploits but not even a single day ban for this when it’s so clearly intentionally and they even went out of their way to hide it. Does anyone know % increase a player would’ve gained assuming they kept all the bonuses from the rep exploit? I find it hard to imagine it being as much as this 4% number we are seeing here, which is itself an understatement. The exploit isn’t a 4% dps increase, it makes that hero talent perform 4% better than the best hero talent. If you compare the hero talent without the exploit to one with it then it’s much more than 4%, but they are comparing it to something else to make it seem less impactful. There’s a reason spell-slinger went from not being used to being top dps with this exploit
"The exploit isn’t a 4% dps increase, it makes that hero talent perform 4% better than the best hero talent. If you compare the hero talent without the exploit to one with it then it’s much more than 4%, but they are comparing it to something else to make it seem less impactful" I thought thats what I said, sorry if it didn't come across. In my defense it is very difficult to get these things across with boring the audience to death with too much detail-I already felt the vid was too long.
@@archvaldor my bad, I didn’t mean it to read like it was targeted at what you said specifically, you explained it fine. Just been seeing a lot of the discourse on this topic, even by some people covering the RWF, use the 4% number while conveniently leaving out how they reached it so I wanted to emphasise that. Didn’t mean it to sound like it was directed at you, the video was great.
I think my favorite exploit which is still valid to this day for farming gold is a Elite in a old expansion that's stuck in a one the mountains only the foot is barely sticking out. Anyways he drops this grey item every time for 200g and hyper spawns at a insane rate.
In m+ specifically the first boss in Siege, when fighting the mobs in the boss room my splinters will fly into the adds next to the boss or the boss itself. I am spellslinger frost, it has been doing it since mid week into first week of m+. I guess that was when the horrible fix went into action.
I still remember that one mage that soloed the military wing of nax in wotlk i think just by using spell steal on some horsemans passive or something and became unkillable , got banned shortly after it :/
@@hypnopumpThey're a waste if you play competitively. I don't, which means I don't even find exploits, and even if I did my account activity would not draw any attention at all 😂
Splinter storm was used for like 2 hours before it got hotfixed away, and the boss wasn't killed for many more hours after the fix, nor was any progression into learning new phases or anything relevant on that particular boss, so overall I consider that one pretty minor, if only because they eliminated it fast enough. Still exploiting and some punishment should have happened but I'm not sure what exactly since any ban actually during the race would have potentially been akin to removing the leading guild from the entire race and be seen as overpunishment. Maybe one hour? That could be seen as too lax. Very tough position for Blizzard. Would've been much worse if they hadn't removed it quickly though.
"Splinter storm was used for like 2 hours before it got hotfixed away," I take your point but as I say in the video it is still somewhat exploitable-and more importantly it was completely unusable for almost a week and probably still is for most.
Such hypocrisy from Blizzard. They say they will strictly ban for exploits. They ban and severely handicap two of the top teams from the RWF and then when their favorite team gets caught they do nothing. 🤡🤡🤡 This is exactly why I don't take this Esports stuff seriously.
I think you're confused. "Their favorite team" didn't gain any advantage from it, they weren't able to FINALLY kill a hard boss using it, it was simply another tactic that was attempted and ultimately did not work out. Using a renown boost can be used on multiple characters to gain an advantage in speeding up gearing progression
homie he got +4% damage on some wipes before it got fixed the Severed Threads exploiters didn't get "severely handicapped" either. They were banned for four days, not during the race. It clearly didn't affect their ability to gear up during heroic week because they had about the same gear as Liquid going into the race.
Yeah I put that on patreon a month or two back. Alecsod then posted a vid on it and shared it to ownedcore. So far as I can tell Blizzard have done it intentionally-they don't seem bothered. They do watch OC so they would know about it if it was an exploit. Very, very weird. I may do something on it soon.
The Saronite bombs in Icrcrown would have been a valid ban but for the fact that they were actually a part of players DPS rotations I'm not sure if they put two and two together that it was the bombs rebuilding the platform, maybe they did, but I'd find it believable that they just thought "Huh, the fight is bugged and the platform is back? Idk why but lets kill him anyway"
Yeah like how are people going to know exploits for a fight that has never been cleared before? How would they be able to tell the difference between an exploit and an intended mechanic?
Saronite bombs were a normal part of the rotation. That was an unjustified ban. Especially because B watches them, they could have just said something. And Blizzard takes month to answer if something is permitted or not, so you never know.
What has rotations got to do with anything? It's blatantly obvious that if the boss chips away at the fighting platform, and when you chuck a bomb it comes back up, it is a bug and not a feature. Did they even report it, or did they just keep on farming?
Meh. I could see suspending FiredUp over the use of that macro. That said, unless Blizzard explicitly came out and said its an exploit, then I can't say it is 100% sure. I've seem lots of stupid shit in-game that I thought was exploitive (snapping being an obvious example) that then turns out to be totally fine. I'd wait for them to fix or explicitly make an announcement before passing judgement though. Regarding the previous exploit - I think they were very clear. This one? Not as clear (as far as I have seen thus far).
Severing threads isnt an exploit if world quests dont show up.if you dont pick any of the paths that week, not our fault some people choose different ones for different toons
Yeah tbh I'm not sure if some players weren't banned who just never thought this was an exploit. But, Method players should have known there were issues here however-you have to assume a higher level of competence and knowledge in a professional team.
Several people all min-maxing just happen to randomly pick all 3 instead of focusing on the 1 that would give largest gain first (whatever choice that would have been)
I reported tanks and healers for leaving too early right after looting a boss. Either leave a text excuse as to why you’re not finishing that dungeon or reported for ninja shenanigans.
That is kinda rude. I get why people don't like exploits and such which is fair...but it seems like they ignore a lot of other shitty behaviors like this which are often more toxic.
@@archvaldor Get this, your argument is that it’s more toxic to tattletale on someone for exploiting than it is to be the one doing the exploits. That just makes you part of the problem. I’m at least trying to stop it where it begins with what little power I have as one player. It’s really not my problem that others cannot simply say, “life shit, gtg”, instead they leave abruptly without warning right after looting a boss. Nah, that’s clearly a new way to ninja… they can get reported for wasting people’s time. The 30 minute dungeon ban is not enough for how often that sht has happened. And if you’re apart of the problem, just hope you don’t ninja while I’m in the same group. I’ll have that whole group convinced that you wasted their time.
It does seem inconsistant to unban players after banning them for exploitation. We were told repeatedly that infractions and punishments build upon each other that eventually ends with a ban. Is it possible the pandaria group and others werent banned but suspended?
Never understood the policy. Exploit = lazy dev team that never fixes bug. At the very least people should get a warning to stop exploiting a bug while it's being corrected, and only punished if they continue to exploit the bug after having been warned.
That's a very good idea. My guess is Bliz don't do it because there are a lot of difficult edge cases-but I think if they said "don't do this for now its an edge case we will review" people would understand.
It's hard to find all exploits. I worked in the gaming industry for years now and have been part of the Balancing team for one big company, but some other smaller ones. Imagine trying to find exploits in around 15 people, experienced indeed, but only 15, compared to thousands/hundreds of thousands/millions. I can explain to you a bit more how we "find" exploits even before a feature is released and many times there are actual exploits, but overall there would've been 100x more exploits if people like me and my teams were not doing their job. These exploits are only what's left and hard to find. The reputation exploit is also just a bug that might've been ported from test environments to the live one, so not the lazy devs, maybe just a bit fucked up system of porting or some mistakes were made in the process. It always happens. That being said, I think that exploits that do not break the game, the economy or whatever shouldn't be punished. However, if it offers an advantage in a tournament or something, ye, sure, maybe not punish, but lower them down to the normal power level etc.
@@jexy_marshall It is but I think my viewers and patreons need to know I can provide content without dropping dead or something so I'll be sharing a short video. I'm also concerned others don't go through the same thing.
If they cared at all then at the very least they could have some very basic automated testing measures that would catch this stuff. They aren't even trying. Wouldn't even need to waste betatester time on this stuff.
This. It's not like they hacked the servers. This is just a natural way to play the game. This is like if Blizzard gave a Raidboss like 10 HP and then got mad at the people who kill it in one shot.
@@Sluppie It's not like a raid boss with 10 hp at all. Renown unlocks power progress rewards, and by exploiting you can clear the renown infinitely faster than by not doing it. It's not rocket science, and it's definitely not "playing the game as intended". Wow players sucking up to world first racers who cheat to get ahead feels like regular working people struggling to pay their rent still sucking up to elon musk and other billionnaire crooks 😂
6:54 I’ve never heard someone encapsulate my ideology on exploiting so well. I’m glad to learn we feel the same way about them. It’s never been about getting them fixed, but as even mentioned in your explanation, getting things fixed always just leads to more possibilities due to their bandaidy coding methods. It’s allowed me to time and time again come up with ‘workarounds’ to major exploits fairly consistently. Exploiting WoW has become a passion of mine over the last decade partially because of those reasons. Hearing myself described in your voice was just such a surreal feeling
Yeah a lot of these problems aren't even real problems if you take the time to think them through. Sadly the WoW codebase is held together by nothing more than hubris at this point.
I said it previously and I'll say it again here - this was a known thing for months, Blizzard Developers knew and Blizzard employees knew but they couldn't do jack because the higher ups from Microsoft wouldn't let them. This isn't anything new though, because even before Microsoft they weren't allowed to fix bugs and were forced to rush the game to release with the bugs since the higher ups deemed it necessary for shareholders. Here's the thing though, the entire reason Blizzard has been doing so poorly over the years isn't because of the lack of shareholders or anything, it's because they've been pissing off the shareholders with the numerous controversies and constantly releasing the game in such a poor state that the only thing you can find online about the new expansion is how poorly it's being received due to the numerous amounts of bugs. WoD is the opposite, it was loved by many until they just let there be no new content for over a year and players kept waiting for an answer which led to a HUGE loss of players for the game leaving shareholders pissed. You have these guys fighting over which team is better but ignoring the fact that the only reason the guy, who started this drama in the first place, even said anything was because he was on the opposing team and wanted people to look past his several controversies that he's had which I guess is quite a few. He tried to blame this on Liquid for exploiting something that was a known thing, despite the fact that I'm sure his own team tried to exploit it but couldn't figure out how then got pissed when he saw Liquid doing it. The other EU team chimed in as well to defend their rival EU team because they both wanted Liquid to get grilled and for people to stop looking at them and pointing fingers.
Wish they'd play-test their game personally and fix the stuff that is truly broken. So tired of all the broken mechanics and npc's who seem to all have abilities which can only be hard stunned if at all and usable while they move as they channel because they don't have to obey the same rules the players do. And how many different NPC's need to have Retributive Strikes/Abilities that go off after they die and have an AoE effect? The lack of originality in their approach to making the npc variety feel like variety is mindnumbing.
@@Blakkrazor69 Expecting any team of game developers to find and fix EVERY possible bug/exploit just means you have no idea what you are talking about. The time it would take to find every way that millions of players can think of trying, with every possible combination of unknown number of factors. It would add very significant time to any project
With Blizzard being the Fun Police, no fun allowed of course. You have too much fun, that might mean people might get through the progression faster and end up not paying more at the end of the month, too little fun and player numbers drop... They might not tell it directly, and hell, even the people making bans might not know why exactly, but I suspect that their microtransactions and subscriptions team is actively trying to supress any exploits or bugs which make progression faster because they've carefully made it so players stay addicted and pay monhthly, same thing goes for LoL, Valorant and other online games nowadays.
I don't play WoW anymore but always love watching your vids. A nice combo of spicy drama and awesome "intellectual findings" as you called it in the vid 😉. Thanks again for all the content !!!
That first one isnt even obviously an explot. 'oh cool i get credit for alts' woild be how i would onteract with doscovering that. Way to punish players for simply interacting with mechanics.
for the liquid part there was no drama. just echo making excuses as usual when they lose. the bug liquid reported immediately. they only used it for 4 pulls tops. meanwhile echo has blatently cheated and bypassed private auras and such to kill end bosses first..the difference is liquid often talks directly to blizzard and tells them about exploits almost immediately. whereas echo keeps blatently cheating and then not telling anyone until they are caught. again it's just echo making excuses of why they are slipping. heck method is right on their heels at this point. only 2 hours behind their queen kill and 20 less pulls.
6 years here without Blizzard and it's pretty good, I do play HOTS occasionally but I never dumped money into it. Just started playin on Turtle WoW and it seems to be pretty good, tons of challenges to take and variety in content.
@user-gh9od9qm6u That's what they said about DF and it turned out to be a completely mid tier xpack by the end. That's also what people said about Shitlands, BFA, legion and WoD until everyone hated them within 3 months of it being out. Additionally, you are the one who is missing out playing shitty retail when you could be playing Turtle WoW.
I legitimately do not see exploits or bugs as something which can't/shouldn't be utilized with normal play. if the game itself is responsible for making it possible, it is legal. if you don't like how I use your program, maybe you should fix it.
Generally agree though I think there is something problematic about using them in a world first type scenario. Since it becomes an exploit-only contest.
Blizz can be sooooo moronic. How about they not create the exploits then. Lazy coding and programming. If people use it, not their fault. Blizz let it in the game - their fault. Simple.
With respect, Rextroy wouldn't wipe his arse with this...most of his stuff is so far out there. This is low-hanging fruit really. Of course fruit can be very tasty...
uhh... what are those talent trees... ....... ....... man i might skip 2 xpacs in a row. gotta cheat to be at the top... thats why i play 1 tier under that. i wont cheat lol they fund cheating. they reinstate those guilds because the guild promotes the game.
That's actually been a thing for many expansions. It seems Blizzard just use a beta as a form of promotion on twitch/youtube they never really listen to reports.
You do know the use of the word "kid" is something used exclusively by annoying teenagers whose balls haven't dropped yet? Not really something you want to advertise...
So we can't exploit the game to get an advantage, but they can release an unfair raid whenever they know mounds of their community is taking off work just to play it?
No players exploited this game. What they did was take advantage of how certain classes were made and they did it well. They should not be punished for that in any way whatsoever and what they did should not be called an exploit. To me, an exploit is when someone intentionally goes into a game and adjusts the classes/talents, etc.. to make them more powerful than the rest. For something like that, I can see someone getting punished but not for just playing what the game makers made. Correct me if I'm wrong but that's how I see it.
I mean I guess if you just go and make up your own fucking definition for exploit then that works. But if you actually know what you're talking about and don't make up shit in your own head, then no that's not what exploit means in the fucking slightest.
I hate when a game developer creates a situation where a player can use intelligence to maximize the benefits, then the developer penalizes that player or group and labels them as cheaters. As if the company views intelligence is an unwanted trait in their customer base…
It's really absurd considering that the game is meant to be challenging, meaning that the player will have to be creative in order to win, only to have that creativity punished and banned in the end.
What blizzard does when a bug like this occurs: "You are banned because you are progressing too fast due to our own failure to fix bugs" What jagex or any other self respecting mmo team would do: "New feture, you are allowed to progress with all 3 factions at the same time but it's a bit slower when just focusing on one"
I think is the responsability of the Developers, not to deliver a game without bugs, glitches or exploits. Its their responsibility to fix it as soon as they can, instead of punishing players for finding a mistake in your game and using it withing the laws of the game.
This so dumb. If theres a glitch in the game that is the developers fault! Give rewards for reporting glitches but dont ban people for utilizing game mechanics.
To me it doesnt make any sense to ban someone for "exploiting" while not using 3rd party software. If they are using additional tools to get an advantage I agree with banning.
I reported tons of bugs during mythic plus beta testing just to find out the bugs are still there one month after release
Beta testing means NOTHING anymore, its basically just early access with a wipe.
That's because beta testing isn't for reporting bugs despite the fact they claim that. It's for sharing how "awesome" the next expansion is going to be, and for them to get free advertising by you spreading the news.
I understand your frustration. On the other hand, the beta is often the only time to experience a game system when it is fun before their Hadoop jobs finish and the fun police "balance" the life out of the expansion
That has been going on since MoP beta
@@pugernoufer😂😂
Is this even an exploit? Seems to me like Blizzard just designed the game to naturally reward those with alts, then got mad when the game worked exactly like they intended it to.
Nothing better than getting disconnected because of jumping while swimming, but ya know- the flyhackers abusing every instance never stop playing. Ever.
Game developers don't test their games anymore. They will have an online beta server and give the public access to it. When you play it, you are expected to report any bugs or glitches you encounter. So big developers rely on the public to do community service to test their games. Big game developers will lay off entire departments of people to cut costs and then ask the public to test their games. All while having record profits.
A few months ago, I received a temporary ban on a game I was playing. I didn't break any rules but still received the ban. What did I do? I whispered someone on a alt when the y had my main ignored. I was accused of circumventing the ignore system.
So big corporate companies who own games hire people to write code and create games and content for those games. Think of these games as a miniature world. These game designers are like God's. They create the rules.
Sometimes these game creators make mistakes. As I said they don't test their games. So, they will write code, and not test it they rely on the public test realms.
If you discover this mistake in game, you might be accused of exploiting. It's weird, I have come across bugs in games before that hurt the player experience. I reported it. I was told it was working as intended. I've come across bugs in the game that made player experience more fun. You can be accused of exploiting for those.
As a consumer I am not responsible for any content in a game. It's reasonable to believe that all of the content I bought and paid for should be working as intended and not an exploit. It's actually pretty narcissistic for a billion-dollar company to put blame on you for exploiting when you have bought and paid for a quality product. Let's not forget you created the product. You created the rules. you are in control. So, if I obey your rules of the game and you realize that some of the rules you made were unfair that's still the company's fault and not the fault of the consumer. The consumer who bought and paid for the game and obeyed all of your rules.
For those of you who don't understand, let's say a game developer designs a in game gun to do 50 points of damage. They make a mistake and make it do 500 points of damage. Players naturally use that gun more because it does more damage. They can all be accused of exploiting a in game bug.
But they still followed all the rules of the quality product they paid for. The fault is with the game designers that work for the company. Not the consumer.
Happy 10th bro ...love the content 👍 , stay amazing ❤
Ty mate:)
@@archvaldor Happy 10th didn't know it was! Love your vids man and your dedication to exposing the stupidity of wow's dev team.
The most overpowered channel on TH-cam. Goldenroutes takes 2nd place. This is the only wow channel i watch on replay. ❤🎉
Ty for reminding me to check out gr again guy is a genius:)
I am always amazed blizzard don't have a whiteboard or sticky notes system with reminders of common bugs/problems we see time and time again. Things like EVERY SINGLE OUTDOOR WORLD EVENT CAUSING MASS SERVER LAG. They launch time rifts, Thaldraszus lags to shit. They get screamed at in forums for 2 weeks, they limit the shard to 75 players, the lag stops. Then they launch the next world event with the same lag, get yelled at, fix it.... this happened with time rifts, emerald dream, dream surges and prepatch, and will happen again during anniversary event. A simple sticky note: Limit the shard of an event to 75 players! Would be all it takes to solve this repeating issue in advance.
In addition I think they need to bring back snapshotting. Preach had a great video on why the absence of this causes lag. But yeah 75 players max is a good working fix they patently struggle with anything more.
Here's my thoughts on the Arcane Splinters thing. It was working exactly as the tooltip stated it would. The tooltip shown in this video says "Whenever you have 8 OR MORE stacks you automatically cast a Splinterstorm at your target." and that is exactly what it did. Guess what, you don't have to target things to hit them with attacks and spells. It is not uncommon for some players to set bosses as Focus Target and then use macros that cast spells at forcus so they don't have to worry about their target changing for whatever reason. Some players also use macros that cast spells at whatever the nearest enemy is without targeting anything. Yeah it's odd, but it's not against the rules, and Blizzard is responsible for how the macro system works and what it can do. They coded the talent in a specific way and worded the tooltip specifically in a way that spelled out, "Hey, if you go out of your way to NOT directly target anything, then the stacks will continue to build higher than 8. Go have fun, see how high you can get the stacks to go." And you want me to believe they didn't fully expect top end mages to try and push it as far as it could go? Nah, I'm not buying it. They knew this was possible. They were just taken aback by all the dumb dumb normies that think macros are cheating and whined about something that they didn't understand.
By this logic, Ignore pain should still be apart of Arms's rotation. No. Blizz sees what they determine as "degenerate" rotations used to get an advantage in combat, think "hey wait....that's really fucking stupid" and they take it out, like they should. Imagine if this got even more out of control, now EVREYONE has to play that way and it'll probally kill the spec cuz it's just not fun lol
What kind of copium is that, noone in their right mind uses the focus frame as their target frame. And no it wasn‘t intended that way, it‘s clearly meant as the primary target you’re hitting. I mean you can lie to yourself and call it whatever but this was not intended, if it were it wouldnt have been „fixed“
...so, let me get this straight, Blizzard doesn't test their content for bugs and exploits before they implement/release it and then punish the players for exploiting said oversight/deficiencies based solely on Blizzard's own shortcomings? That's stupid!
Punishing others for your own stupidity is just that... stupid.
Players find exploits that Blizzard is responsible for implementing and then turn and ban/suspend them for it?
Blizzard should thank them whom found the exploit, leave them be and just fix it properly but, apparently that's too much to ask.
...and Blizzard wonders why player confidence is low.
It's demoralizing and just makes gamers go elsewhere.
...it's stupid.
Thanks for the video!
day 1 of a game you have millions of players essentially QA testinng the game, you could hire an army, and it'd take you years to QA test a game to that degree...
I could leave my car unlocked and the keys in the ignition. You could potentially climb in and drive off with it. Now you could argue that you found a loophole and there is nothing wrong with that but theft is theft.
Before you say the law is different this is Blizzards game and they can write their own laws. Don’t bother arguing with me because from this point on you are just wrong and I’ll save you the embarrassment.
what is stupid is that the top players still can't figure out right from wrong, Method have been getting banned for exploiting since WoTLK.
It would be like me punching an old lady in the face and then having a bitch when the law wants to punish me, it's the cops shortcomings for not stopping me.
I don't do that though because I know the difference between right and wrong and I'm not a toxic cunt of a person. Maybe Method and friends should just make some better decisions if they care enough. who the fuck even wants to cheat when you are one of the best anyway???
@@o0Donuts0o you're comparing a legitimate 'crime' with a 'video game'. The two are not correlated. Have you skipped your meds today?
@@razerfangegaming8548 “Before you say the law is different this is Blizzards game and they can write their own laws.”
Don’t you just hate it when your obvious rebuttal is already addressed? I guess you’re staying for the embarrassment as long as you get the attention right? Such a child.
thanks for another Free awesome vid Archvaldor, truly you are a gem on youtube :D been following you since pandaland. on the topic of bugs, blizzard most recently on classic wows brewfest, the Mugs on the tables werent able to be picked up and tossed for the daily quest or the hourly event. for over 5 days. after hundreds of reports in the first 3 days. fixed now, and of course its not a Huge issue, but still annoying.
Wow that's quite a while ty mate:) Heard about the mugs everyone had a little fun with that....
These were reported in beta and ignored. They also aren't going to ban anyone.
I don't know if this was related to the exploit I saw at the Seigehold, down there the first week. Was groups of 5+ players that were mass pulling and mass AOE farming super heavy respawns. Instantly respawning mobs and they were all power grinding them. I was there and noticed with my skinner, and hung around for a short time ended up with like 300 of the Chitin before I realised, ya know, this is very clearly some sort of exploit happening I think I will hearth out and go do something else and not be associated with this. LOL
blizzard logic fire Q/A testers, players find exploit, punish players for there ineptitude. funny thing there still a ways to keep a 10% rep bonus threw the month just need the right class & tickets, which are now warbound, ride tickets for the hole month . ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Once back in the old days when Wrath first came out, I reported some anoying bugs. It took a while but when I played my third twink they were mostly gone. Last time I played it was Battle for Azeroth, the bugs I found were never ever fixed. Maybe they are now but I really doubt it. Never touched the game since then, looked at the stream of a former guild member after it, but it was so dumbed down and appealing to the casual audience I never bothered again.
I think if I played multiple characters and discovered the weaver rep "bug", I would probably have assumed this was how it was intended to work and just played accordingly. I'm glad I didn't!
I found an exploit on pallies, switch to light smith, imbue your weapon, switch back to templar and the imbue follows and you get an unkillable ret pally.
"Having one of the most exciting months I can remember!" That's such a great line for this, and also kind of sad
The type of exploits are mostly fun, useful and fairly harmless to other players so I think that's actually very positive. What IS sad is that a lot of basic game functionality is broken - that's not down to me or the exploit community that's Blizzard being crap.
@@archvaldor could you make a small video explaining this topic please?
My favorite part about new expansions is how just before beta there is always a bunch of players going on about how pumped they are for this new expansion, desperately trying to convince themselves it will be good by telling a bunch of random strangers online.
I miss the exploit in RIFT back in the day with the defiler before they changed it to a dps class vs a healing class, you could out dps anyone on trash mobs through the dungeon do to spreading dots then breaking the timer and doing more damage with an ability and then the spike heals were insane, 5% to 100% in 2 seconds or less on anyone in the game due to the sheer high heals you had which were HATS(heal after time) and breaking those with an instant heal for bonus healing and your HATS came from 1 damaging ability and it would go to random members and also you could divert 30% of damage from the tank, you also had a 15% and 5% damage divert from 2 other members so total of 3 members, making YOU the TANK, GOD i miss that class so much
I'm just glad the exploit that my friends and I have been using hasn't been noticed, even though our spoils have been out in the open constantly. Even had people go comment online about it and nobody was none the wiser since it's so obscure. The best exploits are the fun ones that don't give an advantage yet give you something to show off. Well, at least I don't think having cosmetics I shouldn't have isn't advantageous, anyway.
Regarding the race to world first exploit though, I am fully on team "ban him for a day". The race should be a test of skill, not a test of who can slip the most undetected roids like an Olympics athlete. Too little too late now though.
Bro if I send you an email would you share your finding's information with me?
It's for a homework🎉
You might want to edit this - I figured out what you are doing. I'll keep it private out of respect but there are sharper people than me here....
Edit this. At least the last sentence of the first paragraph..
In regard to the world first bans. It should be a ban until 3 days into the race. Just because they are word first racers doesn't mean we should let them cheat and under punish them.
xal'ataths feet hack when
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Just discovered this channel because I'm addicted to internet drama but honestly I really appreciate the way you explain everything in the ideo, so I'll sub too :)
Aw ty mate:) I'll try to include more aggro in future:)
WOO DOGGY last time i checked in it was like 2016 and you were like 7k subs haha boy how the time flies! GREAT CONTENT!
Aw ty mate:)
Do you remember in the WoD beta when unsquished gear was oneshotting Blackhand? I do.
Fortunately that was one of the rare instances where a bug report in beta lead to a fix.
LOL. yes.
One of my alt account got banned recently for "Using cheat software" which was very not true. I was running two accounts at the same time helping myself complete some mechagon world things. When I appealed they basically blew me off. Meanwhile high profile players will exploit stuff and only get a slap on the wrist.
This is one of the things that annoys me most about Blizzard. Their attitude with situations like this is so arrogant. Even Thor is kindof a POS about this sometimes.
This expansion has had the biggest amount of meat riders for Blizzard's failures/shortcomings I've ever seen. One of the huge threads on Warband banks vanishing was nothing but people defending Blizzard's lack of inaction and transparency, and shitting on the OP for daring call them out on that issue.
The forums are a hellhole full of a very vocal group of meatriders for Blizz. It's why I never go there anymore. I always see the same people posting, and they defend Blizzard no matter what like they're literally getting paid for it.
the more woke blizzard is the more vocal the remaining small amount of players are
“But don’t quote me on that.”
~ Archvaldor
It isn't just Blizzard, it is every gaming company. I've beta tested dozens of mmo's since the genre was created and none of the dev teams fixed them before launch, or after. The only ones that do get fixed are major graphical bugs that ruin the game blatantly, like the speeder taxi bug in SWTOR's beta that left copies of the speeder all over the sky forever. They fixed that but then didn't fix countless bugs I reported in skill exploits or dungeon exploits.
How can you ban people for doing something that is in the game? Who was supposed to tell these people that it wasnt intended and that they will be banned if they do it? Blizzard dropped the ball and shouldnt punish people for their own mistake
I really appreciate your stance on exploits. Do no harm, Especially when it comes to integrity to competition.
I'm afraid to say I haven't always kept strictly to that to be honest...mainly because of fighting premades in pvp where they tend to use exploits themselves. But yeah as a general rule.
I'd argue they just back peddled on the alt renown. You can grind the rep for them if you really want to, it just becomes harder. This is when we find out that grinding is against the rules in an MMO.
I look forward to watching this video later today! Thank you for uploading, looking forward to lovely gameplay!
Almost missed you in the rush Margo:) Much love as always:)
@@archvaldor I lurk in your comment sections!
They didn’t need to ban him for long, even a single day would’ve drawn a line in the sand and made it clear this kind of exploit isn’t okay. It seems very silly to give multiple day bans for rep exploits but not even a single day ban for this when it’s so clearly intentionally and they even went out of their way to hide it.
Does anyone know % increase a player would’ve gained assuming they kept all the bonuses from the rep exploit? I find it hard to imagine it being as much as this 4% number we are seeing here, which is itself an understatement.
The exploit isn’t a 4% dps increase, it makes that hero talent perform 4% better than the best hero talent. If you compare the hero talent without the exploit to one with it then it’s much more than 4%, but they are comparing it to something else to make it seem less impactful. There’s a reason spell-slinger went from not being used to being top dps with this exploit
"The exploit isn’t a 4% dps increase, it makes that hero talent perform 4% better than the best hero talent. If you compare the hero talent without the exploit to one with it then it’s much more than 4%, but they are comparing it to something else to make it seem less impactful" I thought thats what I said, sorry if it didn't come across. In my defense it is very difficult to get these things across with boring the audience to death with too much detail-I already felt the vid was too long.
@@archvaldor my bad, I didn’t mean it to read like it was targeted at what you said specifically, you explained it fine.
Just been seeing a lot of the discourse on this topic, even by some people covering the RWF, use the 4% number while conveniently leaving out how they reached it so I wanted to emphasise that. Didn’t mean it to sound like it was directed at you, the video was great.
nah fuck it if you exploit you know what your doing and warrent the punishment. You know what you doing hurts other players or gives you an advantage.
I think my favorite exploit which is still valid to this day for farming gold is a Elite in a old expansion that's stuck in a one the mountains only the foot is barely sticking out. Anyways he drops this grey item every time for 200g and hyper spawns at a insane rate.
LOL. Any clues?
In m+ specifically the first boss in Siege, when fighting the mobs in the boss room my splinters will fly into the adds next to the boss or the boss itself. I am spellslinger frost, it has been doing it since mid week into first week of m+. I guess that was when the horrible fix went into action.
that is why you keep exploit's for you're self and not make it public so it gets patched and you have a chance to get banned.
4:32 255 = 2^8-1, it's a fairly reasonable limit for a stack count or something, that way you can fit the stack count in a single byte.
Yah exactly. Works that way for certain other things which shouldn't stack that high but have a default limit.
I still remember that one mage that soloed the military wing of nax in wotlk i think just by using spell steal on some horsemans passive or something and became unkillable , got banned shortly after it :/
Yeah that was a big influence on me. I covered it one of my top 10 videos and the mage in question responded personally-it was an honor.
Exploit early, exploit often.
how to get banned in a nutshell lmao
Yeah don't do this. Watch Thor's short about it from when he worked at blizzard.
More like fuck around and find out.
The reason multi-player games are a waste
@@hypnopumpThey're a waste if you play competitively. I don't, which means I don't even find exploits, and even if I did my account activity would not draw any attention at all 😂
Splinter storm was used for like 2 hours before it got hotfixed away, and the boss wasn't killed for many more hours after the fix, nor was any progression into learning new phases or anything relevant on that particular boss, so overall I consider that one pretty minor, if only because they eliminated it fast enough. Still exploiting and some punishment should have happened but I'm not sure what exactly since any ban actually during the race would have potentially been akin to removing the leading guild from the entire race and be seen as overpunishment. Maybe one hour? That could be seen as too lax. Very tough position for Blizzard. Would've been much worse if they hadn't removed it quickly though.
"Splinter storm was used for like 2 hours before it got hotfixed away," I take your point but as I say in the video it is still somewhat exploitable-and more importantly it was completely unusable for almost a week and probably still is for most.
I mostly listen because Arch has the coolest voice ever, also the content never fails to amaze!
Aw mate cheers!
Such hypocrisy from Blizzard. They say they will strictly ban for exploits. They ban and severely handicap two of the top teams from the RWF and then when their favorite team gets caught they do nothing. 🤡🤡🤡
This is exactly why I don't take this Esports stuff seriously.
Sure, because Firedup was the only mage in the RWF that used this interaction...
Echo simp coping hard lmao
I think you're confused. "Their favorite team" didn't gain any advantage from it, they weren't able to FINALLY kill a hard boss using it, it was simply another tactic that was attempted and ultimately did not work out. Using a renown boost can be used on multiple characters to gain an advantage in speeding up gearing progression
homie he got +4% damage on some wipes before it got fixed
the Severed Threads exploiters didn't get "severely handicapped" either. They were banned for four days, not during the race. It clearly didn't affect their ability to gear up during heroic week because they had about the same gear as Liquid going into the race.
Dear Archvaldor, please investigate the "Prismatic Blessing" buff, while you can. Hotfix expected soon. It might be too late already.
Yeah I put that on patreon a month or two back. Alecsod then posted a vid on it and shared it to ownedcore. So far as I can tell Blizzard have done it intentionally-they don't seem bothered. They do watch OC so they would know about it if it was an exploit. Very, very weird. I may do something on it soon.
5:44 hope the fight dosnt need any mobs to be pacified/trapped also I hope your group can deal with the 3 extra packs you just pulled by accident 😂
The Saronite bombs in Icrcrown would have been a valid ban but for the fact that they were actually a part of players DPS rotations
I'm not sure if they put two and two together that it was the bombs rebuilding the platform, maybe they did, but I'd find it believable that they just thought "Huh, the fight is bugged and the platform is back? Idk why but lets kill him anyway"
Yeah like how are people going to know exploits for a fight that has never been cleared before? How would they be able to tell the difference between an exploit and an intended mechanic?
Saronite bombs were a normal part of the rotation. That was an unjustified ban. Especially because B watches them, they could have just said something.
And Blizzard takes month to answer if something is permitted or not, so you never know.
What has rotations got to do with anything? It's blatantly obvious that if the boss chips away at the fighting platform, and when you chuck a bomb it comes back up, it is a bug and not a feature. Did they even report it, or did they just keep on farming?
Meh. I could see suspending FiredUp over the use of that macro. That said, unless Blizzard explicitly came out and said its an exploit, then I can't say it is 100% sure. I've seem lots of stupid shit in-game that I thought was exploitive (snapping being an obvious example) that then turns out to be totally fine. I'd wait for them to fix or explicitly make an announcement before passing judgement though. Regarding the previous exploit - I think they were very clear. This one? Not as clear (as far as I have seen thus far).
Severing threads isnt an exploit if world quests dont show up.if you dont pick any of the paths that week, not our fault some people choose different ones for different toons
Yeah tbh I'm not sure if some players weren't banned who just never thought this was an exploit. But, Method players should have known there were issues here however-you have to assume a higher level of competence and knowledge in a professional team.
Several people all min-maxing just happen to randomly pick all 3 instead of focusing on the 1 that would give largest gain first (whatever choice that would have been)
I reported tanks and healers for leaving too early right after looting a boss.
Either leave a text excuse as to why you’re not finishing that dungeon or reported for ninja shenanigans.
That is kinda rude. I get why people don't like exploits and such which is fair...but it seems like they ignore a lot of other shitty behaviors like this which are often more toxic.
@@archvaldor
Get this, your argument is that it’s more toxic to tattletale on someone for exploiting than it is to be the one doing the exploits.
That just makes you part of the problem.
I’m at least trying to stop it where it begins with what little power I have as one player.
It’s really not my problem that others cannot simply say, “life shit, gtg”,
instead they leave abruptly without warning right after looting a boss. Nah, that’s clearly a new way to ninja… they can get reported for wasting people’s time.
The 30 minute dungeon ban is not enough for how often that sht has happened. And if you’re apart of the problem, just hope you don’t ninja while I’m in the same group.
I’ll have that whole group convinced that you wasted their time.
It does seem inconsistant to unban players after banning them for exploitation. We were told repeatedly that infractions and punishments build upon each other that eventually ends with a ban. Is it possible the pandaria group and others werent banned but suspended?
Never understood the policy. Exploit = lazy dev team that never fixes bug. At the very least people should get a warning to stop exploiting a bug while it's being corrected, and only punished if they continue to exploit the bug after having been warned.
That's a very good idea. My guess is Bliz don't do it because there are a lot of difficult edge cases-but I think if they said "don't do this for now its an edge case we will review" people would understand.
It's hard to find all exploits. I worked in the gaming industry for years now and have been part of the Balancing team for one big company, but some other smaller ones. Imagine trying to find exploits in around 15 people, experienced indeed, but only 15, compared to thousands/hundreds of thousands/millions. I can explain to you a bit more how we "find" exploits even before a feature is released and many times there are actual exploits, but overall there would've been 100x more exploits if people like me and my teams were not doing their job. These exploits are only what's left and hard to find. The reputation exploit is also just a bug that might've been ported from test environments to the live one, so not the lazy devs, maybe just a bit fucked up system of porting or some mistakes were made in the process. It always happens.
That being said, I think that exploits that do not break the game, the economy or whatever shouldn't be punished. However, if it offers an advantage in a tournament or something, ye, sure, maybe not punish, but lower them down to the normal power level etc.
@@DephTInDepth Or just read your reports from the beta test.
The warning is in the terms of service, you should read before clicking accept
they only ban you after you abuse a bug multiple times. its ur fault for exploiting
You feeling ok Arch? Hope it's just a cold
I've had some health issues but its basically ok now ty for asking. Will make a short video on it soon.
@@archvaldorlong Covid?
It's private
@@jexy_marshall It is but I think my viewers and patreons need to know I can provide content without dropping dead or something so I'll be sharing a short video. I'm also concerned others don't go through the same thing.
Nothing about the Banana Bread exploit? Crazzzyyy
Not familiar with that one....
to know these exploits the devs actually needs to play the game, what they clearly not do. ^^
If they cared at all then at the very least they could have some very basic automated testing measures that would catch this stuff. They aren't even trying. Wouldn't even need to waste betatester time on this stuff.
didnt expect to learn how to play arcane mage here xD
Oh you won[t I haven't mained Arcane in years-I just thought a rough demo would be helpful.....
Everything you said is 100% true
How is playing alts an exploit? roflmao
This. It's not like they hacked the servers. This is just a natural way to play the game.
This is like if Blizzard gave a Raidboss like 10 HP and then got mad at the people who kill it in one shot.
It’s clear that weekly’s are war bound and not intended to be completed more than once. The exploit is clear but I don’t think a ban is justified
@@Sluppie It's not like a raid boss with 10 hp at all. Renown unlocks power progress rewards, and by exploiting you can clear the renown infinitely faster than by not doing it. It's not rocket science, and it's definitely not "playing the game as intended".
Wow players sucking up to world first racers who cheat to get ahead feels like regular working people struggling to pay their rent still sucking up to elon musk and other billionnaire crooks 😂
So Echo is squeeky clean huh....right
6:54 I’ve never heard someone encapsulate my ideology on exploiting so well. I’m glad to learn we feel the same way about them. It’s never been about getting them fixed, but as even mentioned in your explanation, getting things fixed always just leads to more possibilities due to their bandaidy coding methods. It’s allowed me to time and time again come up with ‘workarounds’ to major exploits fairly consistently. Exploiting WoW has become a passion of mine over the last decade partially because of those reasons. Hearing myself described in your voice was just such a surreal feeling
Yeah a lot of these problems aren't even real problems if you take the time to think them through. Sadly the WoW codebase is held together by nothing more than hubris at this point.
Imagine spending YEARS getting a roster of characters you developed just getting wiped because the GM was having a bad day.
Wasn't it wiped because you were using your pretty roster to cheese the game?
I said it previously and I'll say it again here - this was a known thing for months, Blizzard Developers knew and Blizzard employees knew but they couldn't do jack because the higher ups from Microsoft wouldn't let them. This isn't anything new though, because even before Microsoft they weren't allowed to fix bugs and were forced to rush the game to release with the bugs since the higher ups deemed it necessary for shareholders. Here's the thing though, the entire reason Blizzard has been doing so poorly over the years isn't because of the lack of shareholders or anything, it's because they've been pissing off the shareholders with the numerous controversies and constantly releasing the game in such a poor state that the only thing you can find online about the new expansion is how poorly it's being received due to the numerous amounts of bugs. WoD is the opposite, it was loved by many until they just let there be no new content for over a year and players kept waiting for an answer which led to a HUGE loss of players for the game leaving shareholders pissed. You have these guys fighting over which team is better but ignoring the fact that the only reason the guy, who started this drama in the first place, even said anything was because he was on the opposing team and wanted people to look past his several controversies that he's had which I guess is quite a few. He tried to blame this on Liquid for exploiting something that was a known thing, despite the fact that I'm sure his own team tried to exploit it but couldn't figure out how then got pissed when he saw Liquid doing it. The other EU team chimed in as well to defend their rival EU team because they both wanted Liquid to get grilled and for people to stop looking at them and pointing fingers.
I can't wait for the next remix event ^.^
I doubt we'll get another one. I'm surprised most people even want to see another one with how terribly they handled mop remix
@@XAn0nymousX0 terribly? first time i had fun leveling lol
On the other hand blizzard did say they are gonna make another remix event
I missed the remix im so sad 😢 so many mounts i could have gotten. I hope they will be available for those who missed this in the future.
Aaah, so that's why the mage kept pulling the entire dungeon.
Yeah this happens a lot try to be understanding not the fault of whoever's ability is glitched.
@@archvaldor Yeah, I feel bad now. We ripped this guy a new asshole 😂 I'll apologize to him.
@@ZytechZeroWhen I tank I never let the derps pull ahead. If they do, they're tanking 😂
Wish they'd play-test their game personally and fix the stuff that is truly broken. So tired of all the broken mechanics and npc's who seem to all have abilities which can only be hard stunned if at all and usable while they move as they channel because they don't have to obey the same rules the players do. And how many different NPC's need to have Retributive Strikes/Abilities that go off after they die and have an AoE effect? The lack of originality in their approach to making the npc variety feel like variety is mindnumbing.
Cant wait for the next patch in 5-10 years when every possible scenario have been truly tested!
@@ssu7653 Nice hyperbole. You lick windows professionally or just as a hobby?
@@Blakkrazor69 Expecting any team of game developers to find and fix EVERY possible bug/exploit just means you have no idea what you are talking about.
The time it would take to find every way that millions of players can think of trying, with every possible combination of unknown number of factors. It would add very significant time to any project
bro what are these character designs
Everything is exploit at this point
With Blizzard being the Fun Police, no fun allowed of course.
You have too much fun, that might mean people might get through the progression faster and end up not paying more at the end of the month, too little fun and player numbers drop...
They might not tell it directly, and hell, even the people making bans might not know why exactly, but I suspect that their microtransactions and subscriptions team is actively trying to supress any exploits or bugs which make progression faster because they've carefully made it so players stay addicted and pay monhthly, same thing goes for LoL, Valorant and other online games nowadays.
I don't play WoW anymore but always love watching your vids. A nice combo of spicy drama and awesome "intellectual findings" as you called it in the vid 😉. Thanks again for all the content !!!
That first one isnt even obviously an explot. 'oh cool i get credit for alts' woild be how i would onteract with doscovering that.
Way to punish players for simply interacting with mechanics.
If it isn't a hack, then it shouldn't be an offense. It's not cheating, Blizzard are just incompetent
for the liquid part there was no drama. just echo making excuses as usual when they lose. the bug liquid reported immediately. they only used it for 4 pulls tops. meanwhile echo has blatently cheated and bypassed private auras and such to kill end bosses first..the difference is liquid often talks directly to blizzard and tells them about exploits almost immediately. whereas echo keeps blatently cheating and then not telling anyone until they are caught. again it's just echo making excuses of why they are slipping. heck method is right on their heels at this point. only 2 hours behind their queen kill and 20 less pulls.
esports was a mistake to go mainstream. Only filled with exploiters and foul play in everygame due to meta slave nerds. Sad state of gaming.
once again punishing players for bad designing and coding.
You know the expansion is good when archvaldor is not giving away any secret for free 😅
I will be soon don't worry. There is actually one in this video though no one seemed to notice:)
Lost me at 'esports team" and 'wow'. lol. No such thing.
I didn't say there were wow e-sports teams. I said they were e-sports teams playing wow. They are.
Sounds like a bunch of stuff that Blizzard messed up and blamed players for... 😕 😒
So glad I don't give Blizzard money anymore. Past my 4 year anniversary of it. I have gotten some friends into Turtle WoW as well this year.
Ah I wish I had time to play that properly.....does seem to really have the old spirit of wow.
6 years here without Blizzard and it's pretty good, I do play HOTS occasionally but I never dumped money into it.
Just started playin on Turtle WoW and it seems to be pretty good, tons of challenges to take and variety in content.
Turtle wow??
@@craynak yes, it's a Vanilla private server
@user-gh9od9qm6u That's what they said about DF and it turned out to be a completely mid tier xpack by the end. That's also what people said about Shitlands, BFA, legion and WoD until everyone hated them within 3 months of it being out.
Additionally, you are the one who is missing out playing shitty retail when you could be playing Turtle WoW.
I legitimately do not see exploits or bugs as something which can't/shouldn't be utilized with normal play. if the game itself is responsible for making it possible, it is legal. if you don't like how I use your program, maybe you should fix it.
Generally agree though I think there is something problematic about using them in a world first type scenario. Since it becomes an exploit-only contest.
7:26 do no harm…. Unless it’s really funny 😈
Just don't exploit the exploits.
Blizz can be sooooo moronic. How about they not create the exploits then. Lazy coding and programming. If people use it, not their fault. Blizz let it in the game - their fault. Simple.
This fix costed us a Rextroy video ! and thats something we will never forget
With respect, Rextroy wouldn't wipe his arse with this...most of his stuff is so far out there. This is low-hanging fruit really. Of course fruit can be very tasty...
Wait... method and liquid? Not Method, Echo and Liquid?
I smell some EU favoritism afoot
I don't even know what Echo got up to. Our exploit universe is rather insular. Btw Don't have Method have an EU franchise?
thats why i am waiting to buy. thanks 4 da video
uhh... what are those talent trees... ....... ....... man i might skip 2 xpacs in a row.
gotta cheat to be at the top... thats why i play 1 tier under that. i wont cheat lol
they fund cheating. they reinstate those guilds because the guild promotes the game.
It is kinda fun despite all the bs frankly. It is more the veteran players that stuck with wow that are suffering.
isnt the point of a beta to find bugs and fix them? wtf is the point of beta testing anything, if your not doing it to find issues?
That's actually been a thing for many expansions. It seems Blizzard just use a beta as a form of promotion on twitch/youtube they never really listen to reports.
if game integrity is so important maybe they should FIX the game instead of banning people who are victims of their trash tier programming skill
lol game integrity............Money Is Important, End of.
no balance in game and lot of bugs, game is still beta🤣
To be honest that's generous. Wow has never been this broken which is saying a lot.
Its blizzard, what are we ranting for?
of course its some EU kid making this video LOL
You do know the use of the word "kid" is something used exclusively by annoying teenagers whose balls haven't dropped yet? Not really something you want to advertise...
They let you choose on each character and people chose different ones to maximise the benefits? That’s not exactly an exploit.
Not only is this not an exploit, its an intended feature of the game.
So we can't exploit the game to get an advantage, but they can release an unfair raid whenever they know mounds of their community is taking off work just to play it?
No players exploited this game. What they did was take advantage of how certain classes were made and they did it well. They should not be punished for that in any way whatsoever and what they did should not be called an exploit.
To me, an exploit is when someone intentionally goes into a game and adjusts the classes/talents, etc.. to make them more powerful than the rest. For something like that, I can see someone getting punished but not for just playing what the game makers made.
Correct me if I'm wrong but that's how I see it.
I mean I guess if you just go and make up your own fucking definition for exploit then that works. But if you actually know what you're talking about and don't make up shit in your own head, then no that's not what exploit means in the fucking slightest.
Exploit the game? Get banned? Good.
I hate when a game developer creates a situation where a player can use intelligence to maximize the benefits, then the developer penalizes that player or group and labels them as cheaters.
As if the company views intelligence is an unwanted trait in their customer base…
It's really absurd considering that the game is meant to be challenging, meaning that the player will have to be creative in order to win, only to have that creativity punished and banned in the end.
Well hey guess you're the perfect customer for them then!
I don't consider the game PVE or PVP anymore. I consider it Players Vs Blizzard
Does feel like that.
Stop creating a game so 4 or 5 guilds can get some worthless achievement
What blizzard does when a bug like this occurs: "You are banned because you are progressing too fast due to our own failure to fix bugs"
What jagex or any other self respecting mmo team would do: "New feture, you are allowed to progress with all 3 factions at the same time but it's a bit slower when just focusing on one"
So I've heard. I may have picked the wrong game to play.
Jagex literally bans people for bug abuse but keep talking about shit you don't understand I guess?
Pve… zzzz 😂
As someone with a pvp preference I think you need to accept the fact we are fucking invisible.
I think is the responsability of the Developers, not to deliver a game without bugs, glitches or exploits. Its their responsibility to fix it as soon as they can, instead of punishing players for finding a mistake in your game and using it withing the laws of the game.
TWW is trash
This so dumb. If theres a glitch in the game that is the developers fault! Give rewards for reporting glitches but dont ban people for utilizing game mechanics.
To me it doesnt make any sense to ban someone for "exploiting" while not using 3rd party software. If they are using additional tools to get an advantage I agree with banning.