Yes; and Maiev herself comments on the Queen Azhara statue, for which she says looks more like a Naga then Night Elf, she saw and asks "Why would the Naga worship a Night Elf queen?". Still in WC3 it's never explained why or how they became the Naga, it was just said that some magic evolution miracle of sorts happened and so they became Naga, and we were fine with it being a mystery at that time. =)
The War of the Ancients novels, written during Classic and TBC Era WoW, were the first explicit mention that an at the time unnamed Old God tied to the sea was responsible for the Naga. So it definitely seems like the idea of a sea based old god was there from the start
There's a quest in Darkshore where you have to go and see what is making the Owlkin so agressive. Up in the hills you find a red crystal along the mountain range that has a jaw bone inside of it. The quest ends there with no explanation or epilogue. Always found it interesting
Remember back in the day when we were theorycrafting that the reason Kul Tiras wasn't active in-game was because it was overrun with the Naga, because the naga with their murloc slaves were active all along that the EK coastline? I think it was even speculated about in the old RPG or something.
So it’s not a quote from the game it fits N’zoth but it fits so well (especially if you think he could still be alive). “”don’t mistake my caution for cowardice or lack of power like my brothers did for they are gone, rushed headlong into the blades of our opponents while I plot and scheme turning my enemies power against themselves and each other””
The mention of the Old Gods' prisons reminds me, I was recently musing to myself how it seems like any and every prison in WoW has failed; being destroyed, massively escaped from, overrun by riots, etc. Durnholde, Arcatraz, Tol Barad, the Stockades, and the aforementioned Old Gods' prisons, just to name a few. I haven't played modern WoW since MoP so I know there have to be yet more failed prisons. It'd be interesting to take a look at them all to see what went wrong, and comparatively are there ever any successfully functioning prisons throughout all of WoW?
i know Y'sharaj was briefly mentioned here, but his 'death' was a very impactful decision to imprison old gods instead of removing them or slaying them, if i recall correctly, Y'sharaj caused so much damage to Pandaria, the titans decided to imprison the rest of the old gods perhaps to come up with a better plan to rid the planet of them at a later time, or forever imprison them indefinitely.
Just found your channel. Wish I had found it sooner. Your voice and editing style come together into something special when I want to chill out and watch random WoW content. Thanks for the video!
Good point! The 4 or 5 has flip-flopped quite a bit since the early days, with some of the original in-game books mentioning 5, before paring it down to 4, and now it seems back to 5 in retail WoW (I think including the aberration G'huun as the 5th).
@@Jediwarlock no, g'huun doesnt count as the fifth as we know. There is a book in dragonflight mentioning a missing 5th somewhere (probably otherside of the planet according to yet another book). Pretty cool stuff.
@@Jediwarlock Just given the timing of the return to 5 as The War Within is about to release, I'm personally leaning towards Xal'atath. We have that in-game hypothesis from Legion about the original dagger being all that remains of another Old God devoured by its brethren (or something like that), after all.
@@dylanramsey5817 I mean, that makes sense. Blizzard has stated multiple times that old gods were not a one entity, they sometimes battled against each other. It would make sense that xal'atath *WAS* the 5th old god that was brought down and imprisoned within the blade
Wasn't the snapped world tree in grizzly hills called "Vordrassil"? Also at 9:02 there are a few unmarked nzga presences, like zalasji in tanaris, and the naga in the isle of quel'danas(noting a tbc zone, since northrend's naga activity is also marked.)
great video! classic wow is great because of its mystery, allowing players to piece together events. Fantasy needs mystery IMO; that is what is missing from modern wow.
I feel like it's wrong to mix in Chronicles lore in a Classic woe video. Given Classic was made back when the Titans weren't planetsize and were a whole race merely led by the pantheon. Rather than JUST being thr Pantheon.
That's fair! There has been a fair bit of evolution since the early days of the lore. :) I usually don't mix the lore, but in this case I wanted to draw a comparison between the big overarching narrative we get in modern WoW versus the early little bits of lore and clues related to the naga.
Can you do one on Blackrock mountain? I personally thought it was awesome how there’s 2 raids a 5 man dungeon with a 10 man attacked, an actually fun non-linear 5 man pretty much the size of iron forge, with multiple quest lines that encourage re-running it, with a fuck ton of bosses
All this lore but no one can explain as to how and why the sha became confined to pandaria when the actual old god was destroyed at the center of super kalimdor
Being underwater in WoW was a fear that really didn't completely go away. I was always so worried Azshara would come out, or something like that, in Vanilla. I think the only time I ever screamed out loud was swimming into the cave in Vashj'ir with the sub, and the skybox lighting changes inside there so when I saw the sub form I thought it was a creature. I remember how unnerving it was to swim through the fatigue zone to get to the ship for the Baa'l quest. The kraken in BFA was not very kind, either.
Jediwarlock videos are always great, the structure and presentation quite unique so nice easy going, relaxing yet interesting, with great video content of pretty shots of scenery
I’m super surprised you didn’t bring lady V from ssc into this video. Her lore alone is a huge connection of naga and night elf. Maybe she warrants a whole video herself. :) great content as always.
In regards to the sundering and how it might have affected the old gods. The old gods are behind deathwings corruption, since they were sealed within the earth and him being the aspect of earth made him a bit more vulnerable to them. Their plan at the time was to allow Sargeras to invade Azeroth, as that would likely have set them free. While they couldn't defeat multiple titans, a single one like Sargeras would have been no problem to them. As such the sundering, while probably still damaging their seals, was not what they wanted.
@@Jediwarlock Not really a theory, it's said in the "war of the ancients" books that they corrupted Neltharion, which lead to the creation of the "Dragon/Demon Soul" and planned to hijack the Sargeras arrival to free themself. Though I'm not sure how much that still fits the current canon, since I'm not too familiar with any retcons they did in all the expansions.
Something weird I just thought of is that each Old God seemingly connects to the 4 elements in a way, N'Zoth for water, Y'shaarj for fire(because he caused the great cataclysm technically), C'thun for earth(since he's in a earthy prison), and Yogg-Saron for wind(because of northrend's cold winds). I could be wrong with the last three and got them a bit mismatched, but at least N'zoth would connect with the water since he's trapped in the ocean technically.
I like that idea! I would even say that perhaps Y'shaarj's "fire" aspect was incorporated by N'Zoth when he corrupted Deathwing, therefore making him the embodiment of fire even after Y'shaarj was defeated :)
If I remember correctly in the lovecraftian universe Chtullu was assigned to water, so to imprison him one would use the earth element. This does not have to be the way it is adapted in wow - just two cents I found along the road 😄
hi mr warlock you should look into the warrior duel quest npc in SOD since in the last duel you do with him he turns into an anubis like being and uses moon spells so he might be a being of elune's power or perhaps a rogue titan keeper or something like that
@@Alechs777 oh i dont know about that my first tgouht was oh an anubisath using moon like attacks and summoning moon beings must be an elune type enemy (i didnt really know about the khonshu stuff thanks alot man)
Hi Jedi! Do we have much information on how old the universe is? Did Azeroth form billions of years in the past, just like Earth? If so, how long has its world soul been slumbering, and how long did the elementals wage war against each other? It's interesting to imagine folks like Ragnaros existing for _billions_ of years, making all the events of the Titans and the First Ones look like an eyeblink's eyeblink. But maybe all that is much more recent. Maybe the planet itself is much more recent too.
Great question! The only clue we have is that the Black Empire existed at least 100,000 years ago, but we don't know where planets came from or when they were formed :o
@@General12th I disagree. Canon is always backed up by perceived legitimacy among its fanbase. For example, when current owners of LotR make changes or additions to it, nobody takes them seriously, because Tolkien himself didn't write it, and we have a feeling he wouldn't ever write anything like it, and even if he did, it would've been discarded anyway because he must be out of his mind to write something so antithetical to the original spirit of his creation. Even though I suppose it's technically canon, nobody cares, it's illegitimate. Same with any IP. In a way, we all are owners of Warcraft and I refuse to acknowledge anything that was "revealed" after Wrath.
5:22 I think it's probably a given if you look at the overall map that this NPC was dropping breadcrumbs to Zoram'gar Strand and Blackfathom Depths. Once again, the poor story-telling in dungeons problem did not allow for them to fully explain this, but it feels common sensical that this NPC is dropping lore meant to be pieced together with and to lead into BFD (which, iirc, was one of the first dungeons finished and one the OG devs had much bigger plans for originally).
It may be a measure of my low IQ and duckling effect that I keep on returning to WarCraft lore^^ Turtle WoW and such WC3 maps as Kalimdor or Lordaeron: The Aftermath and WarCraft Legacies do the Naga justice by presenting them as a multiplayer faction on the Azeroth map. - Adûnâi
possibly also why they tried to reclaim the tidestone in STV - not sure why else they're in those ruins (i didnt do that quest) and speaking of, there is another area in arathi highlands where the naga use the tidestone to sink the blackwater raiders
Nah, my mic is just kinda inconsistent so some weeks are better than others lol... I have been editing the audio slightly different in Audacity which makes a small difference tho :)
Forget about those two, I still don't get why people pronounce y'shaarj as "yasharaj" and yogg'saron as "yoggsa'ron" for some reason. Is that how they inflict madness on us in real life? Neither make even a bit of phonetic sense but they somehow became the community-accepted pronunciations while I wasn't looking and it sure tests *my* sanity every time I hear it.
talking about good titans and bad oldgods..... are you sure thats right considering that titans imprison people for power gains and "order/dominate" creatures to their will (dragons)
thats 100% typical of wow players. they see 1 thing and stick to it so hard that they forget all of the rest. and your example proofs that so well. gamers: omg alagon wants to kill the the whole planet in WOTLK. Also gamers: why are the titans bad? RETCON
As anticlimactic as N'zoth's defeat was, I am pretty sure that is the whole point, his defeat was meant to be questioned, compared to all the other times we defeated an Old God, this was different and for good reason. Blame potentially bad writing all you like, but the signs have always been there if you know where to look. Don't believe me, then what pray tell how little an impact it is for a champion of Azeroth, one who at one point received N'Zoth's gift, to be sent back to the time of the Black Empire to rescue Chromie. What do you think would happen if an Old God who sees all outcomes now knows exactly how time is going to unfold? Just how deep does N'Zoth's machinations truly go?
Classic this, classic that. It's not classic. It's vanilla wow. 'classic' is the recent re release of old expansions. If u wanna talk about the original wow of 2004, use 'vanilla wow'
Hey Jedi, Love your videos, and love your perspective. I wanted to just add a few points. Before BFA and the N’zoth fight, we had clues in Legion. In the Emerald Nightmare raid we fought Ilganoth, who spoke in cryptic riddles about N’zoth. At the end of the raid, after defeating the final boss, your raid team is brought to a tranquil glade. If you walk across the water in the glade, you can follow an apparition into the base of a large tree/cave. Inside there’s a single flower bloom that you can’t interact with, but it has flavor text hinting at nightmare/void presence. The only other part I wanted to ask was if you would make a follow up about Teldrissil and Staghelm’s involvement with the corruption. Most of the lore in this is better fleshed out in the Stormrage novel, so it’s not something I expect you to cover. Just wanted to nod to it as it does give further lore insights to why Teldrissil was “doomed”. Thank you again for your content. Go with the force.
I've always been confused by the way the community has interpreted the end of the Emerald Nightmare raid. The Rift of Aln was pretty clearly a preexisting physical place in the Emerald Dream, seemingly in or near its version of Moonglade, or rather below it, that was expanded and reshaped by the nightmare. Killing Xavius restores it to its original appearance, but leaves a tiny remnant of the void energy that had created the nightmare, in the form of that flower. But somehow people interpreted it as being the adventurers who brought that void energy into the dream. The wording is pretty clear imo, a remnant is something left behind, very different to a seed that has been introduced.
@@killerbee.13That’s interesting as I’ve never heard or came to that conclusion. I always thought it was a foreshadowing that N’zoth’s/the voids influence has been forever intertwined with the dream. It’s no longer the pure blueprint of Azeroth the titans intended for it to be, outside forces have left their mark and it can never be made clean again.
Great points! Thank you for sharing. My video "The Mystery of Morrowgrain" is probably the closest I've come to mentioning that storyline and it talks about Staghelm quite a bit :) I think the point of Staghelm knowingly being the one to poison Teldrassil is more of a recent addition (with him working with Xavius and the Nightmare directly as opposed to Old God corruption underground)... but there's a lot of nuance to it so both could be true at the same time.
The naga being night elves was revealed in Warcraft 3 iirc. Lady Vashj told Maiev "We were once Night Elves" or something along those lines.
Naga are void/old god changed Night Elves, Satyr are fel changes Night Elves. Just dropping for the lore curious.
@@Ihatesocialmediayetimhere everyone were elves, and elves were trolls. That sums it up.
@@Ihatesocialmediayetimhere It was a joke. I know the lore.
@@user-fv7jd4xj5n I find "elves were trolls" dogshit
Yes; and Maiev herself comments on the Queen Azhara statue, for which she says looks more like a Naga then Night Elf, she saw and asks "Why would the Naga worship a Night Elf queen?".
Still in WC3 it's never explained why or how they became the Naga, it was just said that some magic evolution miracle of sorts happened and so they became Naga, and we were fine with it being a mystery at that time. =)
The War of the Ancients novels, written during Classic and TBC Era WoW, were the first explicit mention that an at the time unnamed Old God tied to the sea was responsible for the Naga.
So it definitely seems like the idea of a sea based old god was there from the start
there is also the pictures in ulduar, the murals that seems to be depicting a pre-titan azeroth pantheon
Ah, thank you for that insight! I had forgotten that :D
There's a quest in Darkshore where you have to go and see what is making the Owlkin so agressive. Up in the hills you find a red crystal along the mountain range that has a jaw bone inside of it.
The quest ends there with no explanation or epilogue. Always found it interesting
I think it's the lower jaw of the skull of gul'dan from wc3 cause felwood is right up the mountain from that.
He already made a video about this! ^^
@@analulu6416 which one is it?
@@jenjen9511 Called "The Mystery of the Red Crystal "
@@jenjen9511 th-cam.com/video/JtHG1wDwgG0/w-d-xo.html
"I don't claim to be an expert on lore" - Guy who is constantly pushing the envelope on what lore can achieve in WoW
“Retail lore”
XD
Remember back in the day when we were theorycrafting that the reason Kul Tiras wasn't active in-game was because it was overrun with the Naga, because the naga with their murloc slaves were active all along that the EK coastline? I think it was even speculated about in the old RPG or something.
That's really cool! :D
I don't understand how you tie all these tiny details together so nicely every single time but I'm 100% here for it
12 years of playing WoW alone on private servers gives you a lot of time to think XD
"C'llab"
brilliant lol
Thanks XD
True 😂❤
These hidden lore of classic videos are soooooooooooo cool. Can't believe these vids don't have more views.
Hidden lore is my thing! :D
So it’s not a quote from the game it fits N’zoth but it fits so well (especially if you think he could still be alive).
“”don’t mistake my caution for cowardice or lack of power like my brothers did for they are gone, rushed headlong into the blades of our opponents while I plot and scheme turning my enemies power against themselves and each other””
Love it! :D
The mention of the Old Gods' prisons reminds me, I was recently musing to myself how it seems like any and every prison in WoW has failed; being destroyed, massively escaped from, overrun by riots, etc. Durnholde, Arcatraz, Tol Barad, the Stockades, and the aforementioned Old Gods' prisons, just to name a few. I haven't played modern WoW since MoP so I know there have to be yet more failed prisons. It'd be interesting to take a look at them all to see what went wrong, and comparatively are there ever any successfully functioning prisons throughout all of WoW?
THIS WORLD IS A PRISON
Very interesting! That's a really cool theory :D
The naga trying to melt the polar icecaps is nothing new.
They actually came close to melting the icecrown glacier back in wc3 with illidan's aid
Oh yeah!! I remember that :)
i know Y'sharaj was briefly mentioned here, but his 'death' was a very impactful decision to imprison old gods instead of removing them or slaying them, if i recall correctly, Y'sharaj caused so much damage to Pandaria, the titans decided to imprison the rest of the old gods perhaps to come up with a better plan to rid the planet of them at a later time, or forever imprison them indefinitely.
Yeah! They were like "welp, can't do that again without blowing the planet up"
Just found your channel. Wish I had found it sooner. Your voice and editing style come together into something special when I want to chill out and watch random WoW content. Thanks for the video!
Thanks so much! I'm glad you found me! :D
Hmm 11:13, back in warcraft 3 it was mentioned in a booklet that there were 5 old gods, so I wonder how much was planned for the third one.
As I understand it, new lore has returned to 5 as the number too!
Good point! The 4 or 5 has flip-flopped quite a bit since the early days, with some of the original in-game books mentioning 5, before paring it down to 4, and now it seems back to 5 in retail WoW (I think including the aberration G'huun as the 5th).
@@Jediwarlock no, g'huun doesnt count as the fifth as we know. There is a book in dragonflight mentioning a missing 5th somewhere (probably otherside of the planet according to yet another book). Pretty cool stuff.
@@Jediwarlock Just given the timing of the return to 5 as The War Within is about to release, I'm personally leaning towards Xal'atath. We have that in-game hypothesis from Legion about the original dagger being all that remains of another Old God devoured by its brethren (or something like that), after all.
@@dylanramsey5817 I mean, that makes sense. Blizzard has stated multiple times that old gods were not a one entity, they sometimes battled against each other. It would make sense that xal'atath *WAS* the 5th old god that was brought down and imprisoned within the blade
the best days are when Jediwarlock releases a new video
the longer the better
Aw, thank you! :D
Wasn't the snapped world tree in grizzly hills called "Vordrassil"?
Also at 9:02 there are a few unmarked nzga presences, like zalasji in tanaris, and the naga in the isle of quel'danas(noting a tbc zone, since northrend's naga activity is also marked.)
It was originally named "Andrassil", "Crown of the Snow", and then after being felled, renamed to "Vordrassil", "Broken Crown"
Ah, thank you for the lore update! It is a piece of lore i did not yet know! Those are rare!
Good points, thank you for elaborating! :D
great video! classic wow is great because of its mystery, allowing players to piece together events. Fantasy needs mystery IMO; that is what is missing from modern wow.
Thank you!! I totally agree :)
My absolute favorite theory about the circle of stars was looking up in the maelstrom. It made perfect sense.
Yeah! :D
I feel like it's wrong to mix in Chronicles lore in a Classic woe video. Given Classic was made back when the Titans weren't planetsize and were a whole race merely led by the pantheon. Rather than JUST being thr Pantheon.
That's fair! There has been a fair bit of evolution since the early days of the lore. :) I usually don't mix the lore, but in this case I wanted to draw a comparison between the big overarching narrative we get in modern WoW versus the early little bits of lore and clues related to the naga.
Your videos are amazing. Captivated by each video.
Thanks so much! :D
@@Jediwarlock no, thank you so much for the videos!
Can you do one on Blackrock mountain? I personally thought it was awesome how there’s 2 raids a 5 man dungeon with a 10 man attacked, an actually fun non-linear 5 man pretty much the size of iron forge, with multiple quest lines that encourage re-running it, with a fuck ton of bosses
The whole Blackrock complex is incredible!! I'd like to make a video on it one day... It will at least be featured in a future project ;)
All this lore but no one can explain as to how and why the sha became confined to pandaria when the actual old god was destroyed at the center of super kalimdor
Yeah... Pandaria lore was an interesting time XD
Maybe the sha can't stray too far from its source aka the Heart.
Being underwater in WoW was a fear that really didn't completely go away. I was always so worried Azshara would come out, or something like that, in Vanilla. I think the only time I ever screamed out loud was swimming into the cave in Vashj'ir with the sub, and the skybox lighting changes inside there so when I saw the sub form I thought it was a creature. I remember how unnerving it was to swim through the fatigue zone to get to the ship for the Baa'l quest. The kraken in BFA was not very kind, either.
Spooky memories! O_O
You drop vid, I watch
My body is a machine that turns Jediwarlock videos into watched Jediwarlock videos.
Simple as that XD
Wonderful as always.
Thank you! :)
Jediwarlock videos are always great, the structure and presentation quite unique
so nice easy going, relaxing yet interesting, with great video content of pretty shots of scenery
I'm so glad you enjoy these :)
1:14 Oh, yeah? Well, you're in luck cause there's also a Magical Cloak!
Oh boy!! XD
I’m super surprised you didn’t bring lady V from ssc into this video. Her lore alone is a huge connection of naga and night elf. Maybe she warrants a whole video herself. :) great content as always.
That's so true! I was tunnel visioning between WC3 and TBC so I totally spaced Vashj here XD
Another great video man 🎉you really are awesome
Thank you! :D
Sound quality on point!
Thank you! My mic is really inconsistent so some weeks just hit different than others lol
Great video, man!
Thanks so much! :D
In regards to the sundering and how it might have affected the old gods.
The old gods are behind deathwings corruption, since they were sealed within the earth and him being the aspect of earth made him a bit more vulnerable to them. Their plan at the time was to allow Sargeras to invade Azeroth, as that would likely have set them free. While they couldn't defeat multiple titans, a single one like Sargeras would have been no problem to them. As such the sundering, while probably still damaging their seals, was not what they wanted.
Very interesting theory! :D I like it.
@@Jediwarlock Not really a theory, it's said in the "war of the ancients" books that they corrupted Neltharion, which lead to the creation of the "Dragon/Demon Soul" and planned to hijack the Sargeras arrival to free themself.
Though I'm not sure how much that still fits the current canon, since I'm not too familiar with any retcons they did in all the expansions.
a really cool video man i always enjoy when you realease a new vid
Thank you! :)
Something weird I just thought of is that each Old God seemingly connects to the 4 elements in a way, N'Zoth for water, Y'shaarj for fire(because he caused the great cataclysm technically), C'thun for earth(since he's in a earthy prison), and Yogg-Saron for wind(because of northrend's cold winds). I could be wrong with the last three and got them a bit mismatched, but at least N'zoth would connect with the water since he's trapped in the ocean technically.
I like that idea! I would even say that perhaps Y'shaarj's "fire" aspect was incorporated by N'Zoth when he corrupted Deathwing, therefore making him the embodiment of fire even after Y'shaarj was defeated :)
If I remember correctly in the lovecraftian universe Chtullu was assigned to water, so to imprison him one would use the earth element. This does not have to be the way it is adapted in wow - just two cents I found along the road 😄
Ayyy! Gonna grab some snack for this one. Also the video being 16:20 long, iykyk
Nice XD
4/20 💨
hi mr warlock you should look into the warrior duel quest npc in SOD since in the last duel you do with him he turns into an anubis like being and uses moon spells so he might be a being of elune's power or perhaps a rogue titan keeper or something like that
isn't he a reference to Khonshu and Moon Knight from marvel (possibly also real life Egyptian mythology)
@@Alechs777 oh i dont know about that my first tgouht was oh an anubisath using moon like attacks and summoning moon beings must be an elune type enemy (i didnt really know about the khonshu stuff thanks alot man)
@@lasicakdandous2377 sure thing, no problems :D also Moon Knight is a pretty fire character imo so definitely his comics are worth checking out!
@@Alechs777 i've know about moon knight for a while but i didnt know much about him
Ooh interesting! I need to dive into the new SoD lore... not a lot of resources on that yet! :o
Ysharaaj wasn't the god of fear...he was the god of emotions
Oh good point! I wrote it down as God of Fear but I realize the game never explicitly gives him that title.
Hi Jedi!
Do we have much information on how old the universe is? Did Azeroth form billions of years in the past, just like Earth? If so, how long has its world soul been slumbering, and how long did the elementals wage war against each other?
It's interesting to imagine folks like Ragnaros existing for _billions_ of years, making all the events of the Titans and the First Ones look like an eyeblink's eyeblink. But maybe all that is much more recent. Maybe the planet itself is much more recent too.
World soul? First ones? What kind of fanfiction you've been reading?
@@Pihtorich Blizzard decides what is and isn't canon, not you or me.
Great question! The only clue we have is that the Black Empire existed at least 100,000 years ago, but we don't know where planets came from or when they were formed :o
@@General12th I disagree. Canon is always backed up by perceived legitimacy among its fanbase. For example, when current owners of LotR make changes or additions to it, nobody takes them seriously, because Tolkien himself didn't write it, and we have a feeling he wouldn't ever write anything like it, and even if he did, it would've been discarded anyway because he must be out of his mind to write something so antithetical to the original spirit of his creation. Even though I suppose it's technically canon, nobody cares, it's illegitimate.
Same with any IP. In a way, we all are owners of Warcraft and I refuse to acknowledge anything that was "revealed" after Wrath.
@@PihtorichThe same as StarWars basically.
5:22 I think it's probably a given if you look at the overall map that this NPC was dropping breadcrumbs to Zoram'gar Strand and Blackfathom Depths. Once again, the poor story-telling in dungeons problem did not allow for them to fully explain this, but it feels common sensical that this NPC is dropping lore meant to be pieced together with and to lead into BFD (which, iirc, was one of the first dungeons finished and one the OG devs had much bigger plans for originally).
Ah, that's a good point! :)
N'zoth has been alluded to for years. It's Y'shaarj who came out of literally nowhere as well as most of the other "lore" of Pandaria.
That's a good point! Pandaria's whole arc was kind of an isolated chunk of lore that just got dropped all at once.
C'llab is worth a like.
Thank you XD
It may be a measure of my low IQ and duckling effect that I keep on returning to WarCraft lore^^ Turtle WoW and such WC3 maps as Kalimdor or Lordaeron: The Aftermath and WarCraft Legacies do the Naga justice by presenting them as a multiplayer faction on the Azeroth map.
- Adûnâi
That's really cool! And haha, that's okay, it's a world we never truly leave behind :)
Amazing content
I'm glad you're enjoying it! :)
Thank you.
You're welcome! :)
Very nice video!
Thank you! :)
Nice length of the video ;).
Thanks lol
There is now confirmed to be 5 Old Gods.
Yeah! I believe in retail, G'huun the aberration is classified as the 5th? Or are they saying Xal'Atath is the final one?
@@Jediwarlock I think its Xal but its not confirmed yet.
@@JediwarlockG’Huun is stated not to be a fifth Old God.
Great video :)
Thanks! :D
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possibly also why they tried to reclaim the tidestone in STV - not sure why else they're in those ruins (i didnt do that quest) and speaking of, there is another area in arathi highlands where the naga use the tidestone to sink the blackwater raiders
Ooh, very interesting! :D
did you get a better mic?
Nah, my mic is just kinda inconsistent so some weeks are better than others lol... I have been editing the audio slightly different in Audacity which makes a small difference tho :)
You make the best fucking videos mate
Thanks so much! :D
Very good and underrated stuff! Cheers!
Thank you! :)
3:18 which zone is this? don't recognise it.
Silithus
Northern Silithus in the Crystal Vale... quite a unique area! :D
Ah mystery, such a foreign concept în today,s wow.
Right??
Yeah, you should play warcraft 3
I have! :) Great game
"N'zoth" and "C'thun" are both only one syllable even if that's really hard to pronounce.
Forget about those two, I still don't get why people pronounce y'shaarj as "yasharaj" and yogg'saron as "yoggsa'ron" for some reason. Is that how they inflict madness on us in real life? Neither make even a bit of phonetic sense but they somehow became the community-accepted pronunciations while I wasn't looking and it sure tests *my* sanity every time I hear it.
How does that even work lol T_T
talking about good titans and bad oldgods..... are you sure thats right considering that titans imprison people for power gains and "order/dominate" creatures to their will (dragons)
Good point! In recent expansions the Titans definitely seem to be portrayed less as an absolute good which is interesting :o
@@Jediwarlock thanks for all your replies
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Thanks! :)
So I personally think classic era (pre mop) was a snore fest. But fuck did they do my boy N'Zoth dirty in BFA :(
That's fair! Everyone has their preferences :)
thats 100% typical of wow players. they see 1 thing and stick to it so hard that they forget all of the rest.
and your example proofs that so well.
gamers: omg alagon wants to kill the the whole planet in WOTLK. Also gamers: why are the titans bad? RETCON
lol
they ruined the old gods lore, revealing every detail about a mysterious thing kills a mysterious thing cause its no longer mysterious
That's a good point!
As anticlimactic as N'zoth's defeat was, I am pretty sure that is the whole point, his defeat was meant to be questioned, compared to all the other times we defeated an Old God, this was different and for good reason. Blame potentially bad writing all you like, but the signs have always been there if you know where to look. Don't believe me, then what pray tell how little an impact it is for a champion of Azeroth, one who at one point received N'Zoth's gift, to be sent back to the time of the Black Empire to rescue Chromie. What do you think would happen if an Old God who sees all outcomes now knows exactly how time is going to unfold? Just how deep does N'Zoth's machinations truly go?
That's a very good point! :D
They fumbled the lore so much after WOTLK frl.
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Early gang wya?
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Bro thought
First! :)
Nice! :D
Classic this, classic that.
It's not classic.
It's vanilla wow.
'classic' is the recent re release of old expansions.
If u wanna talk about the original wow of 2004, use 'vanilla wow'
That's fair, I usually stick to calling it Classic because the lore/quests are the same even if the community and times have changed.
When WoW lore was good.
You know it!
Hey Jedi,
Love your videos, and love your perspective. I wanted to just add a few points. Before BFA and the N’zoth fight, we had clues in Legion. In the Emerald Nightmare raid we fought Ilganoth, who spoke in cryptic riddles about N’zoth. At the end of the raid, after defeating the final boss, your raid team is brought to a tranquil glade. If you walk across the water in the glade, you can follow an apparition into the base of a large tree/cave. Inside there’s a single flower bloom that you can’t interact with, but it has flavor text hinting at nightmare/void presence.
The only other part I wanted to ask was if you would make a follow up about Teldrissil and Staghelm’s involvement with the corruption. Most of the lore in this is better fleshed out in the Stormrage novel, so it’s not something I expect you to cover. Just wanted to nod to it as it does give further lore insights to why Teldrissil was “doomed”.
Thank you again for your content. Go with the force.
I've always been confused by the way the community has interpreted the end of the Emerald Nightmare raid. The Rift of Aln was pretty clearly a preexisting physical place in the Emerald Dream, seemingly in or near its version of Moonglade, or rather below it, that was expanded and reshaped by the nightmare. Killing Xavius restores it to its original appearance, but leaves a tiny remnant of the void energy that had created the nightmare, in the form of that flower. But somehow people interpreted it as being the adventurers who brought that void energy into the dream. The wording is pretty clear imo, a remnant is something left behind, very different to a seed that has been introduced.
@@killerbee.13That’s interesting as I’ve never heard or came to that conclusion. I always thought it was a foreshadowing that N’zoth’s/the voids influence has been forever intertwined with the dream. It’s no longer the pure blueprint of Azeroth the titans intended for it to be, outside forces have left their mark and it can never be made clean again.
Great points! Thank you for sharing. My video "The Mystery of Morrowgrain" is probably the closest I've come to mentioning that storyline and it talks about Staghelm quite a bit :) I think the point of Staghelm knowingly being the one to poison Teldrassil is more of a recent addition (with him working with Xavius and the Nightmare directly as opposed to Old God corruption underground)... but there's a lot of nuance to it so both could be true at the same time.
Amazing content
Thanks so much! :D