How Doctor Who Rejected Chibnall (2021)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 31 ก.ค. 2024
- In this video, I look back at what 2020 was like for Doctor Who, and how for much of it, Chibnall wasn't really there.
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Don't you think he looks tired?
What a reference
👏👏👏😁
Bravo sir!!! 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
And here we are, Chibnall stepping down with RTD back in. This sentences has certainly once again delivered its magic.
Don't you remember when you were saying that about Moffat?
Releasing this on Chibnall’s birthday is COLD 🤣🤣🤣
but justified
It is VERY cold..... in Space....!
XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
HE GOT REKT
But well deserved
It's funny how Chibzy in his youth complained out how DOCTOR WHO was all silly monsters and running down corridors (which is the very thing we love about Dr Who) but when he inexplicably gets control of the show, he gives us a monster with human teeth stuck to his face and a frog behind a mirror. wow.
the only silly monster is Chibnall.
To be fair, that frog was not even his creation. The animated model was straight-up recycled from another show the BBC did.
@@JontyLevine True, but he is in charge and could have axed it and then put in Adric, Romana, Rose,The Doctor's Daughter or anything clever.
After his rubbish material that is the Timeless Child, every fan who slagged off the Looms and the Other backstory from the Wilderness Years need to contact Andrew Cartmel, Ben Aaronovitch, Lance Parkin, and Marc Platt to apologize
Well, that footage of young Chibnall criticising classic Who for silly monsters and corridor-running just goes to show that it's easy to be unimpressed with someone else's work and not so easy to offer up something better of your own. (And, yes, I'm fully aware of the irony of me criticising Chibnall in that way when I've never tried writing a Doctor Who script. Pretty damn sure I'd make a very different set of mistakes to Chibbers though!)
Using Tennant as a crutch for Whittaker is just pathetic.
yep totally desperate
There trying to connect them in the comics desperately thank god david tenant has not gone back to the show he seems to have to much respect for the character and the fans
It's like the BBC is desperately going: "We know you hate Chibs and his Doctor, but please don't abandon us (and please keep giving us money), look, remember the Tenth Doctor? Remember Rose? Remember Jack Harkness?"
@@stevenborg102 Its not her fault things are going bad. Its Chibnall. An actor can only do so much when constrained by something that guy is in charge of.
You have to feel.bad for Jodie. Cuz she has now superseded Colin Baker as the Worst Incarnation of the Doctor Ever largely thanks to the idiocy and incompetence of Chibnall. Whitaker needs Big Finish NOW!
Who started with Hartnell and finished with Capaldi, and until Chiball has gone it will continue as that.
And thanks to the inclusion of John Hurt, that's 13 incarnations. The Doctor's reached the end of his regeneration limit. Granted, the Time Lords gave him more regenerations but we could just say that Rassilon reversed that with his gauntlet - is that the Hand of Omega? - during their confrontation in Hell Bent as a final act of spite before the Doctor banished him from Gallifrey.
@@tomnorton4277 Bingo!.....Chibnall's Who is not only dead in the water viewers ratings wise but more importantly he has killed the shows merchandise arm, they can't give away Whittaker merch for the show, with the shows commercial arm noting a 87% drop in Who merch sales since Chibnal took over, so well done Chibnall. Lol
@Snake PliskenSo that following any saga does not enslave us to any unforseen rubbish that may get done to it in future. It follows: anyone can opt to self-canon, for any TV/film series, that for them it only applies up to point X.
@Snake Plisken `Some?`
Chibnall has lost over half his viewers since the start of his run. That's a lot more than some
@Snake Plisken the timeless turd WILL be ignored if the bbc want this show to be profitable
A big part was that there's no episodes in Chibnall Who that are above mediocre. They don't make anyone feel anything.
The Tesla episode was decent, and that's only because the supporting characters are good and compensate for a useless Doctor/companions
@@TheWolfXCIX . . . & not written by Chibnall.
They do make people feel something, rage. TTC proves this.
Yes I am trying to be fair and thinking about one I kind of actually like or even held my attention for the forty-five minutes. I honestly can't think of one. Possibly the haunted house ep with the lone cyberman? (I can't even remember the title to be honest). Yikes.
I thought "Fugitive of the Judoon" was the best setup... for the worst payoff. It's the _only_ one of Chibnall's run that I've rewatched.
"You might have thought the show ended in 2017." For many, it did.
It didn't, it continued on my TH-cam Channel with alternate incarnations of the Doctor played by Simon Farnaby, Martin Freeman, and Mike Wozniak
For me the doctor's fall is the perfect finale for Doctor who. It was like a circle finally closing.
I honestly find it hilarious that the current Doctor is David Tennant AGAIN.
What an absolute meme, but also a damning indictment on the TV series in it's current state.
Wait I haven’t been caught up, David Tennant is the doctor again meaning he is now not only the 10th but 14th?
@@ramonagomez3228 I mean in terms of Time Lord Victorious.
Retro And a whole bunch of comics and Big Finish audios.
When he said he could do so much more in The End of Time, was it the Doctor saying that or David Tennant?
@@ImitationJesus It was the audience at the time _The End of Time_ aired of course xD
Bruh, how did I not know about the Matt Smith and Billie Piper clip. That's GOLD!
@Snake Plisken I didn't particularly enjoy the Matt Smith era. Not because of him, but because of the writing.
That said, I'd take moffat over chinball any day of the week.
@Snake Plisken had he stayed Eccleston would have rivaled the first 4 in significance. Who knows what happened between him and Davies, but it was a great opportunity lost.
Because he’s a reason why people don’t like Doctor Who anymore he ruins the mystery of Doctor Who
No the reason why people don’t like Doctor Who is because of Moffat. Everyone I know who used to watch the show stopped watching during The Moffat Era about half way through Series 5
@@justsomerandomguyonline1144 found the chibnall apologist
True that Moffat destroyed it. But Chibnall pissed on its grave.
@@justsomerandomguyonline1144 A lot of people did like Moffat's though, and Moffat's is a holy relic against Chibbers's.
@@yussepig6629 Moffat didn't ruin it, he just ran out of idea and rushed it due to the lack of ideas
That's very sad, because I think that Whittaker would really be a great Doctor if she had good scenarios... A good showrunner in fact. Man ! Chibnall made me feel Jack Harkness boring ! THAT is some feat !
she's good as an ensemble member, not as the lead.
Jodie is good. Her scripts are trash.
And she's not THAT experienced that she can raise trash to decency, which is something Capaldi had to do on a weekly basis.
Yeah I feel bad for her as an actor. It also irritates me that the first female doctor had such utter shit writing and direction. She could have been great, or at least good.
@@kaned5543 With just Graham as a companion (he was the only one of the three with acting experience), a different showrunner, much better scripts, and avoidance of long speeches, it is possible that she could have been passable. Jodie was cast because she's his mate though, a competent actress could have made more of it.
I don’t feel she has any empathy for the part.
Let's be real. Chibnall took a show that was beloved by millions around the world... and destroyed it. His scripts insulted the actors, the audience, and the history of the show.
Jodie could have been wonderful. I liked her. I *loathe* Chibnall's writing; he's the one to blame.
He didn't destroy Doctor Who but he tried his damnedest to
@@CrystalWong He did, and now we have a lazy marketing scheme as the Fourteenth Doctor (I don't hate David Tennant, the Tenth Doctor is my favourite) but we are not fools!
@@mattthesilent777REDtbf the trailer is looking good
@@lonewolf9578 Just because it looks good doesn't mean it will be good
Chibnall was appalling but It's too convenient to put all the blame on him. I'm sorry, I don't think Whittaker would have been good in the role if written by Holmes, Dicks, Letts, Davies and Moffat all on top form. Many of her predecessors managed to shine up really poor material, partially because they really cared and would stand up to the writers. She didn't understand the role, didn't even bother to research it and treated it all as an easy laugh with her mates. In addition, many people have thought that the unnatural blocking and overuse of close ups and two shots was poor directing. I believe it was the directors bending over backwards to compensate for Whittaker's lack of screen presence. Again, many of her predecessors could be slumped in a chair at the edge of a crowd shot and you couldn't take your eyes off them. Stand her next to a tree and you suddenly become interested in botany... She's many things as an actress (yes -tress, there's nothing wrong with it) but she isn't larger than life and that's what a Doctor has to be.
I kind of feel like it says a lot about Chibnalls writing that I was able to understand and appreciate the character of Thirteen much better in an unplanned short story by Moffat (Terror of the Umptie-Ums) then I was in 22 episodes of the Chibnall Era.
Which is why I'd love to see 13 handled by competent writers that can actually write Sci-Fi. I feel a lot of the backlash against her is unfair, it's not Jodie's fault 13 isn't a great Doctor, its Chibnall's.
@@SeleneDethly Hi.
Know the video named:
'Chibs (A Doctor Who Parody)'
?
@@loturzelrestaurant nope
I’ve been watching since the Pertwee days and I was quite prepared to give Jodie a chance. After one season I had enough and may try again after Chibnall’s departure, but no guarantees.
Exactly like me but started at David and was the first tv show I remember watching the feeling of seeing the tardis and having my 7 year old brain explode it just makes me sad that bbc don’t give a crap
I remember Jon Pertwee as a background thing in my life, I was too young to pay attention.
For me? I got in to it from Tom Baker's first season around 1974, that was well scary to a six year old me.
@@simplegaming_official When I started watching it was the “Tardis is broken and won’t travel so now I’m stuck in England in the 1970’s and drive around in an old car” period. I think it was budget cut time at the BBC.
@@robertpearson8798 but still better than chibs
@@simplegaming_official Yup.
"But actually that brings me to another way Doctor Who rejected Chibnall: DAVID TENNANT."
After The Power of the Doctor, that aged like fine wine
I don't think Whittaker is a bad actress, its just the writing just isnt there for her, the 13th Doctor has no real character, she just spouts exposition. It makes it impossible to play the character.
No, she isn't a bad actress, but she is not great either. Furthermore, she is not right for the Doctor. (I will admit that I'm in the camp who believes the Doctor was conceived as a male character and should have remained male. But I'm setting that argument aside for the moment.) As an actress, Jodie doesn't have the on screen gravitas or charisma to be the Doctor. The character of the Doctor demands that he owns any scene that he is in since he is literally the center of the show. Jodie also does not have a broad acting range. When you compare her to a gifted actor like Peter Capaldi there is no comparison. Capaldi was the actor who received generally weak writing, yet he was such a great actor that he was able to give life to otherwise weak scripts. When you consider the number of far more gifted actresses currently in the industry, it is actually very puzzling why the BBC signed her on.
There is an interview with Whittaker and Chibnall during the NYC Comic Con. They are both asked the same question about the 13 Doctor's personality. Chibnall states he left that all up to Jodie. Whittaker answers the same question with I just read what is on the page.
I recently hear it asked does Chibnall have a crush on Whittaker.
When I studied singing with a fabulous Professor who specialised in working with rock singers, one of the things I had to do was read to him from a random page in an encyclopaedia. Similarly, a good actor can read from an old telephone book and make you cry.
Each actor to play the Doctor tried to embody what their new character would be, and how they would act. Jodie Whittaker never got a grip of this, and so just acted erratically without any continuity. It's not just about the words you say, but how you say them.
@@KerrieRedgate Your comment resonates with me.
I dabble in writing fiction, so I've tried to improve my acting skills for the purpose of doing voice over, and the phone book idea had randomly occurred to me as the ultimate voice over challenge.
So, I took your anecdote as a synchronicity and subscribed to your channel.
Peace out. ❤👍
I’m still pissed they replaced the iconic Christmas special with ‘the new year’s special’. Makes zero sense.
I’m not defending Chibnall but I was getting tired of how much the Doctors life revolves around Christmas
People have got to greedy with the whole Christmas special thing... It never was part of Doctor Who lore and is only a Nu Who thing. Also it's about time people accepted the pure fact the Who is still going....
BBC decision not to offend people that don't celebrate Chrismas, which is hilarious.
@@FroMarty Easy thing? Just don’t make the Christmas Special set during Christmas Time each year. Comics, books, audios? Sure. But every Christmas Day Special doesn’t necessarily have to be about Christmas, just the kind values of it.
I think it was just so they could have a year off and still claim that they had Doctor Who content at least once a year.
I remember a tweet from Russel saying that oh that doesn't matter now since there's a a quadrillion past doctors now huh" something on the lines like that.
Hi.
Know the video named:
'Chibs (A Doctor Who Parody)'?
"Let's say Jo Martin turns up once or twice in series 13 but then is never really seen again, and a few years down the line gets an audio drama..."
We're only 4 episode into RTD's second run so this could (unlikely) change, but so far that's literally what's happened. She turns up twice in series 13, appeared one more time in Jodie's final episode, and has since gotten an audio series.
Funniest part for me is that Moffat wrote arguably the best 13ths story in a short form than Chibs himself.
What story was that?
@@MichaelM28 Terror Of The Umpty Ums, its available on the BBC website, I believe
@@bohdan_lvov just from the name I can tell it'll be garbage
@@MichaelM28 nah, it's a classic silly and tongue in cheek Moffat.
Always him.
Am I the only one who feels as if the harder burn from Matt Smith was when he said that "the special is on new years but I'm going to tune in to some christmas Doctor Who"?
I still want a Romana spin-off -- Romana is one of Sci-Fi's best female characters and her tackling similar situations to The Doctor, but approaching it from a more pragmatic way, would be a great counter-balance for how insane Doctor Who gets.
Snake Plisken Yeah, it's a pretty big series. Also has Leela, K9, and a bunch of other long-running characters.
@Snake Plisken Louise actually does manage to sound like her younger self in the audios, same goes for most of the classic who companions (apart from some of 60’s and early 70’s ones but they’re still good performers so who even cares I guess).
Know the video named:
'Chibs (A Doctor Who Parody)'?
I've said this for a while what they should have done is cast jodie as rommana and have the first few episodes of the first run of the new doctor have segments at the end about her trying to find the doctor again like 5 minute segments at the end and after a while they finally meet and Reunite,
IM MAKING A ROMANAS ADVENTURES SERIES
Whittaker's Doctor under Chibnall will always be seen as a cringey, dull, underwhelming low for the show. Maybe even it's downfall.
The show already had it's downfall back when it was cancelled
@@iainkilcar7463 Old school Who fan enters the chat. ;)
@@blueplanet9917 more like new school fan who started with the 2005 series but learned the history
@@iainkilcar7463 Oh cool. :D
@@iainkilcar7463 I love the classic series even when it was cancelled it was still good can we say the same if it was cancelled now ?
Once Chibbers goes, I feel Who needs a breather and reassessment - at least a 3yr hiatus. It feels old, safe and tired, needs to push the envelope conceptually
I'd argue that what the show needs is a return to having a show-runner who ISN'T also the chief writer. One of the joys of classic Who was that each time the TARDIS arrived at a new location you were in the hands of a different writer to the previous adventure. There was a shift in tone, imagination, themes, etc. because the script came from a different brain. And that worked perfectly with the concept of a box that can take you anywhere in time and space because different worlds should feel, well, different :)
“ needs to push the envelope conceptually”
For that one would need to appoint writers for reasons _other than_ trite box-ticking.
Unfortunately such a rational policy is utterly antithetical to the identity-obsessed era we now live in...
The worst part about Chibnall is that when he realised that we had rejected him and didn’t like his writing, he went and penned a story that completely re-writes the show’s entire canon/history so that even when he’s gone, we have no choice but to work within the new canon he created
Also, I am no BBC supporter, but they didn’t need too make him look bad, because he did it all himself. He believed that being the head show writer gave him the right to do whatever he likes with the show with complete disregard for any established lore that came in the 57 years before he took over
I think the next show runner should have the Doctor wake up in a hospital bed. You could have it Jodi or a new doctor, but that way you could have his whole run as just a coma dream after she fell out the tardis!!
They wrote off an entire failed season of Dallas with that trick and it worked. Everyone groaned and laughed for a minute and then were happy to forget and have their show back.
The best thing about it is that the fans would be all for it XD
Id support that. Erase this mess entirely.
The problem people seem to be overlooking with this is, through forcing them to admit failure, we'd also be allowing them to continue doing the show with their style in mind. It won't be a case of ok we can fix this let's give fans what they want even tho were keeping jodie. It'll be a ok let's tweak what we did and try get people to understand why we did it.
Before you know it you end up with an entire season arc explaining why the previous season is trash and it continues to Futher push it as a production out of line. The more empathy shown the Futher the show will stray from its foundations
@@kavalogue Personally I think the real problem is you've substituted your own version of the suggestion with something entirely different that changes nothing and then say look nothing changed.
This video is even better a year later with Whittaker regenerating into Tennant.
If Lockdown Who had Chibnall's involvement:
"Genesis of the Daleks sucks, let's replace it with Rosa"
As far as I'm corncerned Dr Who did end in 2017
After Matt Smith bowed out in my opinion ~2013
As far as I'm concerned Doctor Who ended in 1966
@@koslaulskusthegreat9050 at least we can both agree that Jodie doesn’t count
Capaldi was spectacular what are you taking about???
@@afriendlyreminder6072 meh
Thank you! I had no idea that Doctor Who Victorius had even come out. I stopped paying attention to anything connected with Doctor Who because of Jody and Chibnall after watching the first two episodes of her run. So bad!
And as far as giving the black female doctor another opportunity to do something... Why? I'm sure she's a fine actress but from what I've heard that whole rewriting of Doctor Who history, her character was a major part of. All of that Chibnall stuff just needs to be either retconned or ignored.
"I'm sure she's a fine actress"
She's in Holby City
I had no desire to seek out all the different Time Lord Victorious stuff and cobble it into a coherent narrative. I felt like the fans had been so disrespected and the show so ruined, that why should I reward them for their failure?
They want my money because they slap Tennant on it? Nah.
The sales of all the external stuff are reliant on the show being good. It doesn't matter if you have 10 good audios and 20 good comics if the show is written poorly. Nobody will ever hear the audios.
The worst part is the damage Chibnall is done is irreversible. You could ignore inconsistences in the past, things like the Doctor being half human, the Other, Clara comforting a crying child Doctor or the Doctors Mum in the End of time because they never fully changed anything or revealed too much of the character's past.
But the Timeless Child? We now basically know what's so secretive about the Doctor, we now know they are some out of universe god of regeneration, we now know that the first Doctor was not the first Doctor. Chibnall has basically ripped the Who out of Doctor Who and it can't even be waved away in the future as the Master tricking the Doctor because it would mean this entire era of Who was a colossal waste of time.
I don't understand how people say it brings back the mystery of Doctor Who? What mystery? More Doctors we haven't nor we will ever see other than Ruth and the one off Morbius Doctors? Adding more questions is not more mystery.
Theres one way to save it.say that the master lied so he could see the doctor devastated by it
@@croverns164 but that would just be admiting that the entire 13th Doctor's era is pointless (I mean it is but the BBC won't do that)
@@rycloud_1 Make the Master the Timeless Child. Him finding out is the reason he went absolutely batshit crazy after the Missy incarnation. He destroyed Gallifrey because he was so angry. He was messing with the Doctor because he was in denial, and wanted her to feel his pain. There. Fixed.
@@doctor1267 No thats as bad. The whole Timeless Child concept makes the Timelords worthless and pointless.
The problem is that Jo Martin is a *past* Doctor; this means that the series would be going backwards, not forwards. That's the issue with screwing up the storyline with this whole 'Timeless Child' story - they've broken far more than they've built.
im genuinely livid that chibnall says that he planned the ruth doctor since the beginning but didnt just make her the 13th doctor
she fits all the diversity things the bbc wanted, she has brilliant acting chops and the confidence that should come with the doctor, and Jo Martin has been a fan of doctor who since childhood and Chibs was just like "nah i would prefer to cast a piece of wood" jesus
Just goes to show how racist the BBC and Chibnall actually are. Even people who hate Season 12 admit that Jo Martin was good in the brief screentime that she was given. If she had been 14 right from the start (remember, "all THIRTEEN" Doctors showed up to save Gallifrey in TDOTD) the show might have been salvageable. Colin Baker managed despite being given shitty writing before Trial of a Time Lord (which was actually pretty good) and having to deal with Michael Grade, who not only hated Doctor Who but was banging Baker's ex-wife.
@@tomnorton4277they just use people of color to appear progressive. Blaxploitation Broadcasting Co
To be honest, Chibnall doesn't need the BBC to look bad
Considering rassilon was kicked out of galifray, why don't they make him a reoccurring villain but actually make him a threat considering he's rassilon
Chinball would have to understand Dr Who to get that
He dies in the comics and since they're partly considered canon, we may not see rassilon ever again
@@samrayshpellakur731 The first time we saw Rassilon he was dead, so I highly doubt we've seen the last of him.
@@aloysiuswhiteboat2934 Nope, am 100% sure he's dead. He died pushing back a cyberman invasion on gallifrey . The doctor and him even had a heart to heart moment
The last thing the show needs is more time lord backstory.
I remember at the end of Steven Moffat's run people were complaining and looking forward to Chibnall. If only we knew...
I've thought the same thing. Steven Moffat gave us some weak and, at times, overly convoluted plot lines, but he never disrepected the history of the show. (Well, except for that horrible scene making fun of the first Doctor which was inexcusable.) By comparison, Chibnall feels like a hit man hired by the BBC to deliberately kill the franchise.
@@randyjones3050 Michael Grade's long lasting parting gift. For all I know at this point, Chibs was never a fan, just a actor who played a DWAS member during the Open Air appearance and got groommed Hydra style by Grade and Jonathan Powell into one day killing Who
I wasn't complaining about Steven Moffat's run or looking forward to Chibnall. I was expecting competent but dull, and after Season 12 I see my expectations were way too high.
@@SuperWolsey You're probably right. I mean, most members of the entertainment industry are brainwashed puppets of Intel agencies
Basically, Doctor Who is at war with itself
Isn't that the plot of Series 6? :P
Doctor in distress part 2?
@@Oodelally Doctor in a dress
I have been an Whovian from the start, I am now in my 70s, I looked forward to the Christmas specials, but sadly it all fell apart, I never would a thought that I ,after all these years look forward to a regeneration!
My local B&M Bargains has dozens of last years Friends of the 13th Doctor sets they can't shift. Even though they've been reduced to £8, they're just collecting dust on the shelves.
I feel sorry for the dust.
At that price I snapped up the Chase, Dalek's Master Plan and the friends of fourth Doctor variation I was missing without a second thought. Friends of 13 however they can keep. In fact 3 years in and I still haven't got a 13 figure on the shelve.
@@desperatemohammedantheworl5833
Know the video named:
'Chibs (A Doctor Who Parody)'?
Jo martin's Doctor came in, got stuff done and cared little for any toes she stepped on along the way. This is THE core to how the Doctor acts. The only thing up for interpretation is how he/she choses to get things done.
In how single episode, doctor jo convinced me she was the doctor, Jodie has never convinced me she is the doctor
I thought the JM doctor would be a different regenation of the war doctor. The attitudes and methods would fit.
Also: JM as a big finish doctor? She'd be great.
@@StefanTravis Would have been sick. As i recall, timelords were known to fight alongside alternate versions of their same numbered regeneration. Imagine having an alternate 10 or 11 running about.
I agree, she felt and looked like the Doctor. Jodie still doesn’t feel like the Doctor.
as opposed to, let me run and ask my mates about this, see if they want to join in. Then I'll come back, realize my sonic doesn't work against the monster, get kidnapped, and talk about how to get out with my crew who'll reassure me we'll find a way out, together. Eventually the monster will come back, but that's ok the Master will rescue us
Don’t forget three animated missing serials ran by BBC Enterprises which were awesome: The Power of the Daleks, The Faceless Ones and Fury from the Deep
For anyone interested in the BBC figurine magazine they reported that the “Web Of Fear Part 3”, “Evil of the Daleks” and the “Abominable Snowmen” are being animated this year :)
@@jamesattenbourgh Three classic iconic stories, you can't say that about Jodie's era.
@@Via_The_Void agreed 👍
That Billie and Matt clip broke my heart
Matt was truthful though.
@@JEEEVANJOHN Yeah, both Matt Smith and David Tennant have made some cutting comments about the current state of the show. Never outright criticisms, but saying things in certain ways that betray their feelings about it. I'm sure it is even more painful for Tennant since he has been a fan since he was a child.
@@randyjones3050 and also, I suspect this will result in them not being in the 60th. I may be wrong, but that’s what I think may happen.
@@JEEEVANJOHN Perhaps. But if Tennant and Smith are not in it, no one will watch it. The problem with David Tennant is that he is getting older and is not going to be believable as 10 for much longer. Smith is easier because they can just pull him out of his timeline on Trenzalore looking older.
Truth hurts.
Jodie Whittaker and David Tennat are friends in real life, so that's probably part of why they keep meeting.
Nah it’s because he’s popular and sells
My impression has always been that Chibnall is someone who doesn’t really understand Doctor Who. This was confirmed by The Timeless Children
It's the Dunning Krueger effect. Chibnall thinks he's a creative genius and has done so ever since that stupid interview he did as a kid where he bashed Colin Baker's era, and probably for a long time before that. Idiots are rarely self-aware enough to know that they're idiots.
What they should do is forget oh Jodi is a doctor and continue it from 12s regeneration in to another doctor
I'd like that, but they won't do it. The best we can hope for is that another showrunner finds a way to retcon the whole Timeless Children/Master arc. Maybe the whole thing was a prank by the Master, and Hartnell is still the first Doctor.
“Show don’t tell” - I lost it 🤣
Rewatching this on a day of very good news for Doctor Who!
Doctor Who used to be fun... now it's unbearable.
Series 12 was the best Series since 4
@@justsomerandomguyonline1144 said no one with a functioning brain ever
@@justsomerandomguyonline1144 If you were talking about Classic seasons, I'd agree with you.
But even garbage like series 6 is lightyears better than series 12.
@@MichaelM28 it is when you compare it to Series 5-10 those were absolutely awful. Series 11 was average at best but an improvement over the Moffat era but Series 12 was very good
I'm still upset about Jo Martin's Doctor, but not for the reason you might think. In the episodes and moments leading up to Martin's reveal, Chibnal unintentionally made Graham a red herring for the Doctor's pocket watch. I'd love to see Bradley Walsh play the Doctor and have it be cannon that Graham was another instance like John Smith.
Still pissed off at whittaker for her "male gaze" comment
Me too.
Me too. The moment you tell anyone that they immediately say we're sexist. Idiots
In less than one episode, the Fugitive Doctor felt more like the Doctor than Thirteen had in the previous two seasons. She NEEDS to come back, but not under Chibnall.
Know the video named:
'Chibs (A Doctor Who Parody)'?
I don't know why people like to blame Whitaker for what is clearly Chibnall's bad writing. Seriously, there is not a single character in his run who actually feels like a character and not a exposition machine. Yet most Chibnall reviews I see seem to imply that Whitaker herself is part of the problem. As if replacing her with a male Doctor would have somehow raised the quality of Chibnall's era?
My hope is that Russel T Davies convinces Whitaker to stay on for just one more season with him. I'd love to see any episode where she isn't forced to just constantly give exposition to the audience.
Doesnt make any sense to me either. IMO jodie is a fantastic dramatic actor (e.g Broadchurch, Doctors etc) but doesnt quite feel entirely convincing as the doctor, but the way chibnall wrote her made it 100x harder for her. Jodie's acting was barely a problem, the way she was wrote was. (Also there's one character in the era who isnt an exposition machine, Dan, and somehow he feels worse than most as he exists to push one joke, the 'oops i dont understand how awkward joke' and the same joke gets boring FAST). A series with RTD and Jodie would be amazing idea though, id love to see how everything would flow with characters that arent wallpaper
Honestly a huge insult to Whittaker's doctor that she needs Tennant to sell. It's funny how revolutionary Chinall's First Female Doctor was supposed to be but she now has to share the limelight with a man. Tokenism at its finest.
This was fantastic! You perfectly captured Chibnall's massively bloated ego. That has been his problem from the start. Imagine being so full of yourself you go so far as changing the roots of the show itself. Finally we can say: good riddance!
I know what you mean about Jo Martin. She's definitely closer to the traditional characterisation of the Doctor, but there's still something a little stilted about her performance.
Yeah, everyone seemed to like that scene where she introduced herself as the Doctor for the first time, but I just think she sounded... bored? And her fight choreography is not good either. You can see the way they disguise it with several quick camera cuts when she breaks off that Judoon's horn.
Jo Martin was fine but I don’t really get the point of her Doctor other then Chibnall can get PC brownie points for creating the first black Doctor witch is uninspired pandering with the War Doctor there was a clear goal and payoff for why he exists in the doctor’s continuity all we know with Martin’s Doctor is that she’s a fugitive for some reason and apparently not part of the doctors regeneration cycle
Put yourself in her shoes. You're told you're going to play THE Doctor!! What? That's incredible! Yes, but only for one episode, and you're going to share the screen with the current Doctor so you can't be too iconic and we'll probably never continue your story. Ha... How not to feel useless? She probably had no time to prepare. It cheapens the character of the Doctor so much to have this kind of cheap tricks!
"You might have thought the show ended in 2017" If only... if only
I love how they NEED the Tenth Doctor to sell or make Thirteenth appealing
So much for a woman Doctor, she needs to rely on her previous more popular male self to even sell stuff about her. Truly peak comedy.
@@SammEater The problem isn't that it's "a woman Doctor". it's how this woman doctor is _written_. And the stories have been pretty weak.
Actually all the increase in #10 in EVERYTHING is 100000% pandering on purpose. Tennant Stans are the only people left in the Who Fandom that buy things. They throw Davies era stuff in because the ride or die RTD stans never go away and always buy anything with David in it.
It's so sad, because there are legitimately nice Classic Who figures being released but I don't want to buy them because Chibnall decided to destroy the past as well as the future
What we got in 2020 included Sarah Jane's funeral, featuring everyone from Tegan to Captain Jack, Rory giving us a Zoom Call, The Tenth Doctor going to see Novice Hame again. It was all lovely.
Personally, I didn't like Time Lord Victorious. A bit TOO far in the Marvel direction, far more so than Series 4,but I appreciate what they're trying to do, and it's far far better than Chibnall's boring rambly predictable garbage.
I hope Jo Martin doesn't get a series. I just want all this to go away
Doctor Who can do whatever the hell it wants, honestly. Us as fans can dictate what is the cut off point and for me it's Twice Upon A Time.
Seriously? That dumpster fire ruined the First Doctor! The Doctor Falls is a much better and more respectable finale for the show.
@@MichaelM28 No it isn't. Twice Upon A Time is one of the best Doctor Who episodes out there. It was beautifully written
@@SuperHitman55 They ruined The First Doctor for a cheap shot.
@@anon5263 It portrayed him a bit wrong but the episode is fantastic. Peter Capaldi's performance was amazing
The golden age of Doctor Who were the 3rd and 4th Doctor's tenures. Maybe the BBC should remember what made 70's Doctor Who so great and consider that for future productions.
absolutely loved this video, and your chibs video - I actually remembered recently that it was Moffat who first called him chibs, in his doctor who magazine column (the last one while he was showrunner I think). also, love that you mentioned you're getting into the audios - I always feel so excited for people when they say they've discovered big finish
Moffat actually said that? Dang! I love that guy because he tells it how it is but always delivers it in a playful manner. He outright said that Chibnall would ruin the show in an interview but because he said it with a cheeky grin, everybody assumed he was joking.
Jodie isn't a bad actor its the script and the story that's bad. Jodie has done some really great work in other series like Broadchurch. I am sure if the story was better she would be given more chances to shine
Jodie is perfectly fine as a naturalistic dramatic actress. She's just not right for the Doctor.
It was woke and we had a female and a black doctor for the sake of it
No. She's a bad actor in this role, because she hasn't found "her" doctor's character and therefore doesn't know how to play the character (that suits her). As a result, Chibnall (who's a poor character writer at best) and the rest of the writers he chose have no idea how to write her character in the first place.
Jodie could’ve been so much better had Chibnall not written her.
I agree as Jodie tried to put here own spin on the character but chibs was like nah I want you to be like 10 and 11 combined but shit
I think Jodie would have been fine if it was any other show runner
It’s hard to say. She’s been good in other roles but she’s shocking in Who. Look at Bradley Walsh he’s playing from the same script and gives a solid charismatic performance. Look at Siobhan Finnernan and Alan Cummings in The Witchfinders both give great performances and Whitaker is just barely there as a presence let alone the titular role. I think the responsibility is partially hers to be honest.
@@CraigTulloch you do have a point there, I was sad seeing Bradley leave the show :/
@@dearls921 I haven’t watched since halfway through the Ranskor finale episode of her first season. I couldn’t bear it any longer. Chibnall is dreadful but I found Whitaker increasingly irritating to the point I had to stop watching. I’ve been watching the show since Pertwee’s debut and supported Whitaker being given the role. I was wrong. I’m glad she’s going and sincerely hope she takes Chibnall with her. I miss watching the show.
She has stated that she would never look at other Doctors’ portrayal of the character, she doesn’t care about it.
@@luke8801 I’ve seen an interview where she does say she won’t watch it, until she leaves the role that is. I’ve also seen several other articles where our amazing show runner told her to not watch any of the other doctors before auditioning.
The 4th Doctor was my first doctor, and I never cared for Whittaker. She. Doesn't. Shut. Up.
I love this community omg. Can someone find out how long his contract is?
his contract is a red herring. as long as the BBC continue with the woke agenda, it doesn't matter who comes and goes as show runner.
@@HOAfan11 oh no, not the culture war grift. I hope you UK folk can get yourself out of this mess, and stop letting upper class twats take advantage of your workers. Sending thoughts from Aus, team.
@@HOAfan11 uh oh... someone sounds mad.....
He said he has a 5 year plan so I am assuming they accepted that and give him 5 years
@@randygoodall6229 One more year, then right?
Can't help but notice the first black Doctor also happens to be dubbed "The Fugitive Doctor". Nice one, Chibbs.
It would honestly make *more* sense for it to come out that Chibnall hates the show, and is actively trying to destroy it, than this be his best effort.
The 13th Doctor is such a poor character that they *need* the 10th Doctor to even sell her stories...That's just hilarious. The show used to be my favourite thing. I used to love it. It was my childhood, and it shaped who I am today. But having seen it decline so far, past frustration, anger, and disappointment, all I can do now is laugh.
Subbed, brilliant video sir, I'm excited for the new doctor. 😃
One thing that has really bothered me about this new series is years ago while monitoring an IRC channel, got myself into a big discussion about Doctor who. Im talking around 2002, long before the show was rebooted. Several of the users talked about the Doctor actually having more than just 12 regenerations and that they were the only real time lord. That all the other time lords were half breeds stuck with 12 regenerations. I have backups of those chats as I was required to record all channels I monitored. Imagine my surprise remembering that conversation thinking who are these people, and actually seeing it play out on TV. The only difference on what those people said back then and it actually playing out was the fact back then no one considered the part ever being played by a woman. Most of the discussion was of what I said above plus how the movie was butchered and the shock of Sylvester Mcoy being killed off.
Honestly mate, i'm more impressed that you have comprehensive back-ups of 20 year old internet conversations. I bow down to your archiving skills.
That would be a fascinating read, friend.
Edit: I don't believe this anymore (It was kind of a toxic take from me). But it is pretty funny since RTD is coming back now, so I'll leave it up for hilarity's sake.
Reject chibnall, embrace RTD.
Umm...
@@sacrificiallamb4568 Damn, forgot this existed. Might need to edit it.
Ah, sorry for reminding you.@@havan1337
I loved your "Chibs" video, but this video (moreover on his birthday) is... fantastic
I feel like Jo Martin has a huge one up on Jodie, because her character, in those brief appearences, had a point. She's been introduced as misterious and slowly building to the revelation that she was the Doctor in a way no other incarnation has ever been, and there was no need for a follow up, because the whole point is that 13 doesn't know what's happening as well. Compare this to Jodie: no characterization done with stories, no real purpose, not even issues with the companions or stakes. Jodie can be a great actress, but she's just not doing it in DW
"Jodie can be a great actress"
No she can't
@@MichaelM28 No, I think Jodie can act, but she was terribly miscast as the Doctor. She commands no authority, and she doesn't have that 'twinkle' the Doctor needs. She's more of a supporting cast actor than a main role.
@@MichaelM28 TBH, I haven't watched Attack on the Block and Broadchurch was the dullest thing ever (aside from that episode with David Bradley), but she was great in Black Mirror. OC, that wasn't really a doctorish role... but you know what? As stupid as it sounds and actually is,, the best 13th doctor performance... was her tweet about not leaving home for the pandemic. Now, it wasn't good, but it was sincere and had character. I'm convinced the real problem begins with Chibnall
@@MichaelM28 she's fantastic in other stuff. But without a good script she can't keep the ball rolling like the previous Doctors could.
@@LiveHedgehog I've seen her in Broadchurch and Attack the Block and she's a very mediocre actress. Far from the "amazing actress" the mainstream media paint her as
Lockdown Who completely ignored Classic Who.
I think that has to do with the short attention span of the people in charge
@@anon5263 I've had a go at the main people who organised Lockdown Who, and the only thing they say back is "Do it yourself". Its pathetic. Other reasons given where, that there are fewer of those actors alive, or the writer isn't alive to write a script as an intro etc. I thought the point of the lockdown screenings was to write about the episodes, not marvel at the extras.
Chibnall thought casting a Woman Doctor was gonna cement his legacy before it even happened. You can’t just cast a first woman doctor and a first black Doctor and expect it to just go well for you. I really think that’s what he expected 😕.
He's trying to get the "I did that" trophy
It's true the BBC shot themselves in the foot with this. If most fans, like myself, are faced with the choice of exclusive new 10th Doctor material, new 9th Doctor material or new 13th material, I'm going to take both 9 AND 10, and leave Jodie's stuff languishing on the shelf. On the upside though, it did give me an excuse to reduce the amount of merchandise I buy, except the stuff I really like. DVDs/Blu-rays especially. Buying a boxset of S11 and 12 at £15-£20 each would normally be a reasonable bargain, but I just can't bring myself to buy anything with 13 on it, except DWM. I'm happy with just a digital, gone in the blink of an eye, copy instead. If it disappears one day. Oh well, I'll live.
I was genuinely on board for a female Doctor but the Chibnall era is just so lacking in spark and so bleak. Ideas like moving it to Sunday evening and then doing bleak, straight dramas about issues like racism...who is this aimed at? I've always enjoyed that DW had a moral compass and spoke out but this era is just so dry and bleak. It is foremost an adventure show and Chibnall doesn't know how to make that work. Bleak historicals, an obsession with death, plot twists that seem more about earning short term brownie points than continuing the canon...I genuinely feel with a better showrunner Jodie would stand out more. She's given so little to work with and it annoys me that people will use that to say a female Doctor can't work.
Yes. All of this.
Not just Jodie, but Bradley, Toisin and Mandip - there were occasional glimpses of potential for the three Companions, but it was never developed. Graham was the only one to have a story arc, Ryan's dyspraxia was completely forgotten about outside of the bicycle scenes, and other than a brief glance at her family during Demons and a throwaway comment about the number of "training courses" she attends, virtually nothing about Yaz. Then with The Doctor herself, there was that brilliant gadgeteer genius sequence in the first episode where she forged a Sonic for herself, but it didn't resurface in subsequent episodes.
I'm not sure what Chibnall thinks Who is about - especially with his first series, where he consciously decided to have no story arcs, no multi partners, and no existing monsters or aliens. He's pretty much the antithesis of RTD and Moffat - the latter in particular, who thoroughly fleshed out his characters, had clear story arcs, and had deliciously evil stories where a mundane object would be scary and Monster Of The Week. His main failing seemed to be that he often wrote an episode that would naturally last around an hour, so with the shorter timespan rushed the endings.
"I genuinely feel with a better showrunner Jodie would stand out more. She's given so little to work with and it annoys me that people will use that to say a female Doctor can't work."
Think on what you are saying. Did Bradley Walsh have any 'better' material than any of the other three main actors on the screen?
I ask the same question constantly, and the conclusion for me is that too many people don't understand what good acting actually is.
Bradley Walsh -known as a game show host not an actor, and yet in amidst the indifference that series 11 met with he himself met with universal praise for his role as Graham. Here is a man who has shown himself as a very capable character actor of the old-school, he takes the character he is handed and explores it, inhabits it. He is fully convincing as that character as he is completely committed and inhabits the role - he takes whatever he is given in terms of script and makes the very best of it. That's what good actors actually do.
Jodie Whittaker on the other hand (and the other two) is an example of a modern television trained actor. She hasn't been trained to create a character, to inhabit that character. She just takes the script and plays it. And that is what is showing on the screen, it is achingly clear the difference between her, the other two's, and Bradley Walsh's training and approach as *he* is the one who got the plaudits and he is the one who acted her clean off the screen when he played the scene where Graham confesses his fears over his illness returning. He was superb. Completely inhabiting the role and the scene, giving it its power, while Whittaker simple read the script and walked away for her sandwich and cup of tea.
She does not have the training of a trained character actor, she isn't like Bradley Walsh, or Matt Smith, Or Peter Capaldi, or David Tennant or....
She is completely out of her depth in n actual character role like Doctor Who. Because she can't _create_ a character. All she does is turn up and play the script, minimal effort or thought put into it.
THAT IS THE MOST PASSIVE AGGRESSIVE HAPPY BIRTHDAY IVE HEARD IN MY ENTIRE LIFE
Me: watches (critical) Doctor Who, Torchwood and related videos on youtube
TH-cam: So you want to see videos of people just shitting all over it?
Me:
Me: no and why do you keep thinking that youtube?
the fact that jo martin comes on screen and feels more like the doctor than jodie is a very big issue
Hope she's gone for good along with Doctor Karen.
@@fivish who??? karen gillian??? like amy???
@@fivish OH IM STUPID
You can't blame Moffat to introduce the War Doctor. That was only necessary due to Eccleston's refusal to reprise his role in the 50th anniversary special. Originally, the 9th Doctor was the War Doctor.
We can actually still blame him, because he already had a perfectly good replacement in the form of the 8th doctor. I mean he would’ve been perfect, and he would’ve helped make the special feel more like a celebration of the entire show rather than just new who.
But alas, Moffat at least gave McGann a satisfactory send off, but he still deserved more than just 6 minutes.
@@EditedAF987 McGann wasn't right for the Time War. Even in Night of the Doctor, he just doesn't have the demeanour for a warrior.
Chinballs is a tenth rate hack,he should be writing obituaries instead of butchering an iconic series.
too late he's pretty much killed the show.
He does, this one is just 16 hours long.
Meanwhile, COMEDY GOLD IN SPACE: 'Starship Goldfish' (on youtube).
Damn COVID, we could have had this crap era over and done with by now. Slowest car crash in history.
"Is this how time normally passes? Really slowly. In the right order."
just had a fanatsy moment watching Emma Peel, Imaging a timeline where Dame Diana Rigg was playing the Doctor written by R. t. Davies, basically, a well written story, acted by someone with an unique charism. In her hayday Dame Rigg playing the Doctor, would have been as capturevating as Tennet.
Know the video named:
'Chibs (A Doctor Who Parody)'?
Heck, even in her later years, Diana Rigg could have pulled off the Doctor. She hammed it up like there was no tomorrow in The Crimson Horror, which wasn't a good episode (a rocket in Victorian London and NOBODY questions it?) but had several saving graces and Diana was one of them. She even had a somewhat over-the-top introduction in Victoria which caused Queen Victoria to give her a "what the fuck are you doing?" look. She would have been quirky enough to portray the Doctor's eccentric side whilst also knowing when to calm down. Plus, Diana was a very experienced actress by the time of Doctor Who's revival which would be helpful for portraying centuries in a similar way that it was helpful for John Hurt.
Damn it, there were so many actresses who could have played the Doctor. Now everybody's going to see red flags if they ever announce another female incarnation. This is what happens when idiots keep preaching about sexism. They CREATE sexists where they never existed before because people have grown so fucking tired of this shit. Chinballs and Shittaker fucked up opportunities for future actresses to play the Doctor so if it ever happens again, she'll have to work 10 times as hard to win the fanbase over.
It's funny seeing this in retrospective. The last season was almost like ok do this and you're fired...
With what we got from the few infos we have, it's a grace that we didn't get the show cancelled again, because after jodie filmed they didn't knew if someone was going to take over.
SOMEBODY FINALLY COVERED THIS
Chibnal seems to treat social justice media milestones like trophy hunting.
I'd actually like them to cast Jo Martin as the doctor if only to correct the mess Chibs caused.
And also give her the story worthy of her talents which is better than any of Jodie's!
They shouldn’t cast her, she was a diversity hire. They need to go back to normal doctors
@@GA-wq8xq I think she'd be great as long as they reveal she's actually a regeneration of the Pete's World Doctor thus explaining why she was in hiding as the Master framed her for his crimes which leads to 13 being imprisoned after the Master tried to brainwash her with the Timeless Child rubbish!
@@GA-wq8xq She was a diversity hire, but that's not her fault and has no bearing on her performance or incarnation. What constitutes a "normal" Doctor that we should go back to?
@@aloysiuswhiteboat2934 a quirky white male. As it has been and should continue to be, just like James Bond too. Enough of this gender bending for the sake of it.
@@GA-wq8xq any type of actor could do the role, as long as they're the Doctor type of actor. That being said, teasing a black female doctor and then retracting it is pretty offensive
R.I.P Dr. Who. After 40 years of watching and love,.You will be missed.
If this is actually going to the norm, Doctor who without Chibnall, then I expect that by series 14 he'll be fired.
Go on, BBC. Don't be shy...
Edit: Well that sort of fucking happened lmao
I would love to see Jodie get a season under a competent show runner. Right now its hard to tell which is true: Is Jodie's a great actor, but Chibnall is horrible? Or, they're both awful? Since the only thign we can be sure of is Chibnall is a total failure, she deserves another chance.
@@etherraichu Yes! Everything you said there was what I was thinking!
future guy here, the king himself russel davies is back as showrunner for next series' :>
Unfortunately Rusty has to pick up Chibnall's pieces
HOLY SHIT I DID NOT MEAN TO PREDICT THE FUTURE CORRECTLY
I think the BBC need to just bring everyone together and have a wee chat to figure a new game plan out, with a bit of focus they can really do something in today's day and age of the shared universe!
Step 1. Get rid of the license fee
Step 2. Watch the BBC panic
I hope jo Martin never appears on Doctor Who again and I can’t wait till Jodi leaves
they were both terrible
I actually legit realy liked what we saw of Jo's doc, she had far more presence then 13 which is embarrassing, the sad thing is she's tied up with all the baggage of the timeless child, if she'd been some future doc with amnesia i'd be all for her.
@@triggerpigking3741 Well I didn't see that. She looked bored to me.
"The Timeless Children" felt like a fanfiction brought to life....
Funnily enough it was basically Chibs wrote it when he was 16
@@jakejennings6534 Indeed, so it is basically fan-fiction. If I'd written any fan-fiction when I was 16 I'm pretty sure I'd be trying to blank it from my memory.
This title is even more suitable now that RTD has returned
What this circus need is a regeneration but a complete one behind the scenes, remove everyone from Chibs team and start from 0.
Meanwhile, COMEDY GOLD IN SPACE: 'Starship Goldfish'
Chibnall, Whittaker And the BBC killed Doctor Who. May it rest in peace.
Oh another one of those Chibs-roasting vídeos - I love them, better grab some popcorn ✨👌🏻
Probably don’t remember me, but we use to chat years ago. Great to see you’re doing bits on here. You were always the most talented out of all of us haha
I really want to see Whittakers doctor under anyone that isn't chibnall. Who knows, maybe big finish will do her right like they did with Colin Baker
I hope so, I love 6's audio stories (well for the most part there are a few I don't like) and if they can do that for the most important Doctor in a while, being female and all, then that would be great
Briggs and Haigh-Ellery can't save her
@@SuperWolsey they're pretty good at that kind of thing, here's to hoping
@@SuperWolsey they managed to take the 5th doctor and make him more enjoyable, and I would argue that he was in a very similar situation to Jodie back in the 80’s (blonde hair, constantly out of breath, more passive than previous incarnations, unclear and messy characterisation, bland stories and an overcrowded TARDIS).
If they can let Davison shine then I’m sure they could perform similar wonders for Whittaker.