No, Classic Pokemon Games Are (Likely) NOT Coming to the Switch Online. Here's Why...
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 17 ธ.ค. 2023
- Back in February of this year, Nintendo launched the Game Boy and Game Boy Advance apps that is part of the Nintendo Switch Online service. This raised a lot of hopes that the Gens 1-3 of the mainline Pokemon entries would eventually make its way to the service, especially with Pokemon Stadium 1 and 2 being on the N64 service. But the reality isn't very likely, and that is explained in this video.
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If they released these games on the switch with nothing changed but allowing home support Id buy all of them
Also, I really want a modern, official way to connect the classic Pokemon games with the stadium games
It seems incredibly silly to me that they dont just release all titles for these old systems. What's the harm?
Big same
and stadium support
@@trollnerdIt's probably corporate BS that goes down behind the scene and the paper working needing to be done.
TPC have no say about games made before it's formation that were not handled by GF directly, that's why Stadium and some spin off got in very easily (basically made by Nintendo).
Putting them on the online wouldn't be ideal for all the parties involved, and they don't have support for "individual"/"offline" emulator like the 3DS VC (that basically were intended for the console since day one, the GBA VC was a feature built into every single console), which would come with its own issues and expenses anyway (they basically have bo reason to, and will be more at a loss otherwise).
Selling Gen 1-3 games with online battling and trading would make Pokemon A LOT of money. Honestly, it would sell so well that they should consider doing “collector edition” physical releases of Gen 1 and 2 that had online functionality. They would sell so many copies if they did that.
Issue with that is Nintendo is basically all in with NSO, they've made it clear that they see it as a core pillar of their current business so you bet they wont let Gamefreak release the classics separately (remakes nonwithstanding).
Remember everyone: It's always ethically correct to pirate and emulate Nintendo games
I mean even you you bought a legit copy of older games its probably third party anyway. Nintendo probably aint getting money from the copy of Black 2 you bought for $200
@@Set451why should we be worried about this when nintendo themself doesnt even care about making them playable or available? also we are obviously not gonna pay for a pirated copy
I paid $18 bucks for a counterfeit Heart Gold. Works great. I didn't mind paying it
Bro for real. Not only is it ethically correct to do so, it's probably morally wrong not to. Pretty sure if a God exists, it's on my side here.
@@Gnolls...never forget the Bible verse, John 3:16
“And god said, let there be free-to-download roms”
Yeah, I think they would have no choice but to release them as separate titles that aren't in the Switch Online services. They really want to make sure they abide by not letting people cheat their way with using multiple saves.
I get this, by why do they care if you cheat your way through an old pokemon game that much
@@Sirro712 To protect the tournament scene that they try to destroy as often as possible of course
A pokemon classic bundle would put nintendo on the map
Yes!! Just like how Capcom does with Megaman.
😂 You know damn well they’d sell them individually at atleast half full price (if not full price itself) For Maximum $$$.
Nintendo: Stop using ROMs!
Also Nintendo:
I wish they would put Pokémon Games on the Nintendo Switch Online. Because look at what they did last year.. they shut down the 3DS, now we can’t get those games anymore. Pokémon Red, Blue, Yellow, Gold, Silver, Crystal, Ruby, Sapphire, Emerald, FireRed, and LeafGreen games are the most wanted right now.
Looks like we have to hack our switches and add the games ourselves.
I hate that classic Pokemon games are being held back due to nonsense like not allowing people to cheat.
I play pokemon games single player and never trade with others, so its annoying not being able to play this games over something i never use.
Wish they would just release them as games you can buy separate from the online service and just disable any connectivity to trading. Treat them like single player games. I just want to replay Gold/Silver and Ruby/Sapphire for the nostalgia and story.
No. That's garbage. I play to complete pokedex. And I can't do that if I can't trade. That only helps you.
then you should be upset that Gamefreak is greedy and double dips with every game.
Instead of just allowing us to catch everything in single title. @@darthmewtwosmaster4064
@@EnigmaJenkins I wouldn't even care about the pokemon games coming to switch, if they weren't shutting down 3ds completely and bank.
Im all with you but do you really like the story section of these Gen 1&2 games?
@@HustlerHorstRuedigerdo you play for complete pokedex? Why?
The cool about those games is starting over and beating elite four and catch the legendaries. Then you make a new file and start over again lol
I'd buy them if they came to the eShop or in a collection. I think the eShop is the most likely since Nintendo would likely want to sell their games individually and not in a collection.
I dont think they would Ever release it
I'd buy them as a collection 100%, but there is no way in hell that I'm paying $60 or $70 USD each for separate re-releases. You just know that's exactly what would happen, too.
I wouldn't mind a separate app, but I'm still miffed that Pokemon Stadium's Transfer feature remains axed: I would HOPE they'd figure something out on that front...
There is no point in adding stadium if they can’t connect with the GB games
Nintendo is not a fan of their fans.
@@SS64DD I agree 100%. Absolute tease
It sad because I thought we could transfer gen 1-3 Pokémon with Pokemon bank like that
I don't care how they do it...they need to get it done asap...its ridiculous.
man, the switch is basically at the edge of retiring, its done. If they didnt want to do it with the most popular nintendo console of all time then I guess is just not planned at all
i fully understand that some Pokemon games are exclusively on Nindento DS and 3DS, and will not be able to run properly on Switch or future Switch 2 console. i still wish the much older Pokemon games will run on Switch.
I don’t get it… I want to give them money…. Instead they force me to pirate their stuff… I don’t get it!
I hope they do i would even pay cash for them again
They just need to sell a bundle of all the ports and make it compatible with home like just skip one year of new games for it please
This would be the perfect timing for it. They really missed an opportunity to announce something like that for Pokémon day. Now I’m convinced we aren’t getting the gameboy games and it makes me want to hack my switch and add them myself.
They are still missing Hey You Pikachu for the N64 Online, Pokemon Puzzle Challenge for the Game Boy Online, the gen 1, 2 and 3 main series Pokemon games and Super Smash Bros. 64 too. 0:09
Hey you Pikachu is reliant on very specific hardware to work, and it's genuinely a terrible game with 0 play value anyway unless you are an absolute fan of pokemon (and in that case, juste buy the physical copy. The shop will die and the games with it when the switch gets discontinued in 5 years or so).
But Nintendo did disable save states when they put the Gen 1 and 2 games on 3DS. So they could just do that again.
That had them bought seperately, not used in a specific app.
I wish they would release Ruby Sapphire Emerald Firered Leafgreen like they did with Gen 1 & 2 on 3DS
Didn’t they already add the Pokémon trading card game on the game boy option?
There’s still 6 more months for my hopes of Pokemon Gen 1, 2 and 3 making it on the switch becoming a reality
I’m still waiting
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I hope they add a collection for the gen 3 games to the eshop because they are the only mainline games I haven’t played in about 15 years.
Even if I could try finding my FireRed, I’d also need to get a GBA on eBay which probably ain’t cheap.
I think my emerald was somehow broken the last time I had it
I gave my switch to my brother because I wasn't really using it much anymore and there were some games he wanted to play, but IF nintendo put all of the classic pokemon games on the switch, I would DEFINIETELY buy a new switch for myself. I never got to play most of the games unless they were on emulators, which never really felt like the real experience. I would really love to be able to play all of the pokemon games in one place.
No problem, I already downloaded an emulator and all the ROMs, I spent 0€
I don't think the cloud saves thing alone COMPLETELY break the odds, just makes it harder. I'm sure they could come up with a workaround if they really wanted to get the games onto it.
They could let cloud saves stay on the Pokemon games, but not let the NSO Pokemon games interact with Pokemon Home (this would get backlash of course, but I'd rather have the games at all)
It’s work around that leas to pokebank situations me thinks
Nintendo won’t put the old Pokemon games on Nintendo Switch Online because they can make more money selling them individually like they did on the 3DS with RBY and SHC.
I would buy a switch the next day if they released the old GB/GBA pokemon games
Dang that sucks, well… anyways.. back to using an emulator
Yeah, im not paying that much yearly for games that are part of an service they r gonna shut down in an couple years anyways. What a waste of money
@@mystraunt2705 At least they have online multiplayer for me. On the 3DS they gutted multiplayer for the Pokemon TCG because they didn't feel like adding in proper multiplayer until the mainline Pokemon games.
i would buy them gladly pay for them in eshop at a decent price per individual or bundle
the classics do matter,it's where it all began.
which leads to the question "why should any1 get a switch in the 1st place?" excellent question.
Well, if you're NOT going to add the Pokemon games into the NSO Online service, why not add Pokemon Pinball, or other Pokemon spinoffs in the NSO App?
it took 10 min to give a 2 min answer....
the logic:''those games we made several years ago were so successful!'' 'put them on the new switch console?'' ''Nah,let's not do that.'' since when did this make sense?
So glad I have gen 3 on ROMs
Emulate them on your smartphone tablet or computer
Here's the thing, even if you don't allow cloud saves, Gens 1 and 2 have a lot of glitches that are getting well documented. I'm not gonna do a deep dive here, but you can basically get anything you want from those gens. Even a shiny Mew that passes a legitimacy checker. Cloud saves were never needed to do that. Technically you can still do this if you have a 3DS with the VC games, Bank and Home. The only way to stop cheating would be to either not allow Home support so it wouldn't matter (would disappoint a lot of people), or reopen some over 20 year old games to patch some bugs (costs money for little profit potential).
I wouldn't even mind paying extra just to buy these games individually.
I dont get them leaving money on the ground. Many fans would just buy straight up ports for full price.
Yeah, the fans would like it. But would 8 year old Timmy also like it or would he just think, that these look ugly af, and go back to play SV or Fortnite.
If little Timmy think sv looks good oh man
@@nikocory2746 a lot of young kids don't apreciate 2d pixelart anymore. So yeah, SV just get a boost for being 3d.
They can either sell them or make them available legally or ill play them illegally. It's on them.
I feel like i may be simpiler then some people think all they got to do is release gen 1-3 on nso and give all the pokemon games specific nso id #'s then just simply disable cloud saves for those titles only like they did with the 3ds restore points!
Yes. Put the Pokemon games on the Switch (or it's successor if that's close by) and disable cloud saves. This also gives those virtual console digital download codes another chance to be used since the eshop collapsed.
People will clone pokemon with hacked switches anyways they should not ruin the end uses experince by disabling those features.
isn't one of the bigger problems is the trade function?
Most people play the game without trading + they added online to the old Mario party games so it prolly wouldn't be that hard for them to code that in
Which part? The oracle games prove you can interact with different versions.
@@mrsuperheatran2794 Trading Pokemon (and therefore code) between games in real time isn't the same thing as inputting a code to unlock something in another game. There's presumably a finite number of codes the Oracle games can generate in order to unlock the linked version of the other game.
U didn't answer the question
I just bought a RG35XX so I ain’t gotta wait anymore
Definitely as a separate app, or two (maybe three?)... and tied to a Pokemon Home Subscription instead of a Nintendo Online Subscription.
Basically the same emulator apps just with suspend points and rewind turned off (with the possibility of a temp suspend point that is created when you close the app, and deleted once you resume or choose to ignore it)
Obviously a gb/gbc app, a gba app, and hopefully an N64 app that allows access to the gb/gbc save files. (in the event that had a temp suspend file it would get deleted once the n64 games accessed the save file)
Yeah, my guess is if they ever did release the mainline pokemon games to switch online, it would be via an exclusive home app or pokemon-only channel we'd likely have to pay for on top of NSO.
They could simply make it not compatible with the pokemon home (as the stadium is not even tho you get "prize pokemons"). There is no competitive scenario nor exporting pokemons, so there is not point in not releasing.
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One very simple way that they could do it is simply not allow the GB and GBA Pokémon games to have any Pokémon home support at all. That way even if you could somehow cheat in the game itself, there would be no way to get those Pokémon out of the game and in to the more modern ones. But it’s unlikely that they would do that either because i doubt they want to miss out on the opportunity to have enough more people subscribing to the Pokémon home service. And I don’t think that is what most people want when they say they want classic Pokémon on switch. I’m pretty sure most people want the classic games with full home support and if that isn’t possible then most people would probably not care about the old Pokémon games for their own isolated sake. But I guess having them be completely disconnected from modern Pokémon services like home is better than not having them at all.
Cloning Pokemon should be a non issue, just keep an ID on the save file that changes every time bank connects to your save and only allow that is to connect so non sync data will not be able to transfer. Since you can only connect one version of a game on the bank anyway.
Also irrelevant since you can clone Pokemon in game anyway, but that's besides the point. And force all trades to be online if they ever connected to the bank or have cloud saves, to prevent trading between consoles
you think gamefreak or nintendo is competent enough to do that
People used to transfer Pokémon’s through two different gbs back in the day what’s any different.
Having one app share the same esrb rating is false, Fortnite itself has in the same game a mode rated E and another T. So it's possible to have different ratings on one app
I think that they might allow them to be purchased individually and let there be no cheating. In which case some will find ways to do so anyway
I mean, just dont allow you to transfer pokemon in these games to pokemon home? wouldnt it be that easy? just make the games on the servce only able to interact with each other, or disable the ability at all. You don't need to be able to transfer pokemon to other games in order to enjoy the games, do you now?
Alot of us that play pokemon, is with the intention of collecting them all, we need the home connectivity. Just re release them
I'd buy red and blue, that was my fucking teenhood. ;_;
Mr. Krabs says: money..!
It would be mind boggling trivial to just disable snapshots/saves for specific titles in the Gameboy library. It's a lot more likely that it's a licensing/other rights issue. Or they're holding them back for some specific anniversary etc.
And how do they get around obtaining pokemon like Machamp, Gengar, Golem, and Alakazam
That's why piracy is morally ok regarding Nintendo
Nope, not ok.
Emulate them all. Their loss
Everyone knows we'll all buy them again, so do it! I would love a 3D All-Stars esque collection of Gens I and II
So my question then is, what has changed going from the NDS online store days with their nintendo stamped emulators running OG pokemon games to now? because I'm pretty sure the pokemon company's stance on cheating didn't change
The only way, is if there was "Pokemon Online", where it's seperate from nintendo online, snes online, etc!
I would buy every single one of the classic games in eshop. Gen 1 to Gen 3. Its been soooo lomg since I played them and my GameBoys do not work anymore so that would be my only chance.
Yeah but if they did it would be over priced unless they sell em for 5 bucks im not interested these are like 2 decade old 2d sprite based games not paying close to a new games price for them.
I think they’re waiting for the online store to close April 2024
How are cloned Pokémon considered cheating
I don’t want classic Pokémon on switch online I wanna buy pokemon 2d all stars for money
Just make a new game "retro pokemon red/blue/yellow/etc" and sell it as a game for $29... I'll buy a new chip
Id rather just have them to play on separately playing handhelds
You stated the possible ways to prevent cheating and yes, cloning your Pokemon IS an issue because fans (people) will do anything to have an advantage or horde Pokemon to trade for legendary Pokemon what so ever.
Pokemon should come. I don't care if people cheat. I just want to play Pokemon Blue again.
If this was any other company I'd call the idea of not releasing decades old single player games on a service where you can only play online with friends in fear of cheating to be hilariously farcical.
But this is Nintendo we're talking about so 🤷♀️
I hope they add them
the reason why. is because gamefreak is to greedy. they want us to buy there latest gen or remakes and make us pay full price for there game
Yeah yet they gave us Red and Blue on the virtual boy on the 3ds years back if they can do that they can give us the gba games
No, it’s because of cloud saves and cheating issues
Why would they care? Sou you could MAYBE start a pokemon blue play through with a mewtwo. Again, who cares if you do?
if it happens am geting a second switch
i anticipate that we get either or 3ds or wii and wii u games at some point this year.
It will never have a ds
They're gonna sell them individually, calling it now
Classic Pokemon games came to my phone regardless 😝💛
That's fine, I got a Leaf Green cart from China for a few bucks.
Not sure what the real Vince
Could they not just remake the games for the switch. Could keep it 2d just updated the colors maybe drop in a couple new pokemon that are switch exclusive. I might buy a switch and the game for that. But if not I'll just stick with my boy and playing emerald 😂
I absolutely hate the artstyle of the remake of Diamond, so I'd be livid if that's how the other old games came to the Switch.
I hate when gameing company do that, you must play this way or not play our game at all, and it is not even an online game and they still treated like an online game. This is not the only gameing company that does this problem, the company for animal crosssing also does that even if you play it offline. This is one of the reason I never bought animal crossing.
I never bought Animal Crossing for Switch because for a whole $60.00 most of the functions depended on being connected to internet
why can when you can download an emulator and get it for free?
Even a game as child-friendly as Kirby that have a big demonic white eye with wings that shoots blood.
When Pokemon Stadium 1 & 2 dropped on the N64 emu, I assumed gens 1 & 2 must be on the way. You couldn't have told me otherwise at the time. How could they not be? Surely, Nintendo wouldn't release a beloved classic title without proper functionality, right? The timing was so perfect, with gens 1 and 2 becoming harder than ever to obtain as the old Nintendo shop closed down early last year. As it turns out, I was (probably) wrong. I know they've done some greasy stuff in the past, but surely they wouldn't forsake the fans that made Pokemon the highest earning media franchise ever. Then again, I suppose they have many times. Maybe it will still happen, though every month my doubt grows. Hopefully, we get the full functionality of Pokemon Stadium 1 & 2 as well as gen 1 and 2 trading, but I am not holding my breath.
I swear, it really feels like Nintendo just doesn't like fun and money. Of course, that's not true. I'm not accusing them of being outright spiteful towards their base, although they don't help themselves in this regard. I wonder if they even have toes after shooting themselves in the foot so many times. Remember the weirdly restrictive new Smash tournament rules they put out last year? Look at what they've done with the Paper Mario franchise. How about the embarrassingly scarce roll-outs of the classic emus? We may get a game a month, which is awesome and appreciated, but when we do there is no way of knowing if the game will function properly (though, I do admit that this is a problem that only affect the Stadium games, as far as I am aware). Maybe, they're lazy. Maybe they just don't care to take on the project. Maybe they're just incompetent or out of touch. I would guess the latter. I don't know, but I find the emulators to be a disappointing purchase, since I bought NSO+ specifically for them. I'd really like to have my money back, Nintendo.
Oh well, guess I'll cry about it on youtube ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Dude who gives a fuck if i want to find and use an exploit in a sing player game that came out close to 30 years ago.
what a load of bull. The older Gen games allowed duping because the games never had to put patches or update on those Older gen games. Even if they did re release them those old gen duping would probably still be there.
Terrible.. I’ll just purchase knock off emulators too play what I want
So they dont want us to play our old games. As in they have an issue with us using emulators/roms but wont give us the ability to play them legally. Unless you own an older system/a modded ds/gameboy. Its kinda crummy, since they are the one who could fix their issues but go nahhh. I just wanna play emerald on the switch, and would pay for it on eshop. 😢
A copy of pokemon emerald is 200 dollars. Nintendo is insane if they expect the average person to spend 100 on an gba, and then 200 more dollars on the game rather than just use an emulator. If they hate emulators so much then offer an reasonable alternative.
Well, you can use an emulator app. That's what I do.
Yeh if we didn't rely on our own means, ie. Emulation, but they (Nintendo) looks down on it. Like, what do they expect us to do? Not play it anymore? You'd think they'd want to capitalize on their property.
@kykipz yeah agreed bro. It's so ridiculous since future generations aren't able to experience the games, and Nintendo isn't making as much money as they should. It just seems like a win-win situation if they actually listened.
I own all the games and systems. But I'd still like them to rerelease them all, like they did with gen 1 and 2 on 3ds
They’re just too lazy to make some way people can’t clone Pokémons but don’t worry I’m gonna help ‘em
A switch cartridge with pokemon yellow to crystal with the transfer pack implementation would be perfect for the pokemon stadiums 1 and 2. These games don't involve online battles so let it have shark codes as well for shinies and awesome gameplay.
That is actually a really good point that i didn't think about. The save states abuse would probably be a problem, but luckily they can just release the OG Pokemon games seperately or in a collection on the Eshop.
Because they want to sell you the same games remade over and over again to bank on your nostalgia.
You sound like spawnwave
But I want them.
You literally know nothing any random person doesn't know . When the 3ds was on its way out they put the first could pokemon games on there to download and I'm sure the switch will do the same
Everdrive exists its easy to use
This is why 3ds exist with gen 1-7 installed!
Solution: Sell them as digital downloads via the online store.
1. gens 1 and 2 have their own highly exploitable glitches with the PC storage system, and using cloud saves is entirely inefficient, not only would you need a second Switch, but the process would be much slower. The glitches not only save time, but you only need one system to run it.
2. People said the same thing about the 3DS vc collection because of how they ran, but they ran a version that disabled it. This whole reasoning seems like it's being recycled from those days.
3. Nintendo has created separate apps for certain games already. Japan has an 18+ N64 app just for two games since the rating system is more strict over there. If they absolutely had to create a separate app for Pokemon games specifically just to get around the cloud save function, it would have more relevance than that 18+ app.
Tad ; we need tho classic pokemons to be added to gba family nso it be cool pokemon home supported transfer to new pokemons games series tell nintendo american it need added tho!!!!!!!
I originally speculated that HOME would start offering a higher Subscription fee that included having the old games running through HOME with its on set of rules such as no Save snapshot.