I remember that Mimir was very concerned about Atreus turning evil and didn’t dismiss it as merely a child being a brat. So maybe he knows something about an evil version of Loki.
My theory is that in the first timeline Kratos died instead of Faye. Prophecy didn’t count on him because we wasn’t there in the first timeline. But Faye and Atreus were. That’s also how Faye was able to lay out the path of the first game. She had already walked it with Atreus to spread Kratos ashes.
Okay brother, this is pretty good, but basically you are saying God of War 2018 with Faye as the protagonist. For this to be true, spreading ashes should have no meaning, like it was just a goal for the journey and only the journey was important to start the events of Ragnarok. But Faye was a giant, and I believe Jotunheim should be easily accessible for her. As we know, she was an important figure for giants; she had knowledge of their secrets and strategies, but in this case, Kratos didn't even know Faye was a giant, so finding all the secrets during this big journey made sense and there should be a world serpent in that universe too right? I like your theory though; it makes sense.
I have another evidence. In the first timeline, Ragnarök happend. For that, there had to be Loki, who killed Baldur. No Loki=no dead Baldur=no Ragnarök= no Thor vs Jörmungard
Idk you guys forget only jormungandr in Norse ever travelled through time as it took cracking Yggdrasil for that to happen so how did Faye travel back in time she’d be the only living being that ever time travelled without cracking the world tree it’s just impossible this is a cool theory but for a loki to be born he has to be half god and it can’t be aesir or he wouldn’t have use of the vanir magic the real Loki can use sooo in real ragnarok myth even though Loki killed him baldur still survives ragnarok with his nephews modi and magni so evil Loki can’t exist for baldur to stay dead as part of baldurs resurrection was due to Loki plus fenrir never came back with Faye it would be impossible to hide a wolf that never stops growing and is almost as big as half of jormungandr so and to add another Loki would cost more money than Santa Monica would possibly want to spend adding 10 more hours of gameplay to make another Loki fit in with lord and history and background I just logically this theory makes no sense as how can Faye travel through time when in Norse myth time travel was only capable by shaking the world tree hard enough to crack it creating a hole in time itself so cool theory but it’s not very sound logically and based off events that have already taken place plus there was 0 hint in gow 2018 that anyone other than jormungandr ever has or ever could travel through time
@@LS-wy4bk fenrir isn’t in gow 2018 at all and yes we do know it was just the serpent many characters mention only a serpent showing up 1 day not a giant wolf plus by timeline kratos was in Norway when the serpent appeared we know that through gameplay complete 100% of the game before you argue points that aren’t valid
Maybe Tir took Kratos place on the first timeline and that’s where the evil Loki came from. As a way of fighting against Odin but Odin found out, locked Tir up and raised Loki on that timeline.
This is an unlikely theory but I think Angrboda might die because when Atreus tells the serpent that his mother passed the serpent says he knows his pain, just a thought 🤷♂️
This is the best theory I've ever seen kap Keep going bro you doing something Different and we're enjoying it I can't wait for another theory you made it
It’s possible that Kratos still made it to Scandinavia in the first timeline as well. He just might’ve arrived at a much later time. Faye traveling back in time to ensure he gets there when she needs him would be more likely
Maybe Kratos and his own time jumping escapades in the previous game (when he killed the fates) made him 'unstuck' in time so to speak, so he was easier to drag through time again.
Hey Kuba! I was replaying the Greek saga this last week, and realized something I think will end up being rather important. We know the Blade of Olympus can essentially absorb power from beings, shown in the beginning of God of War 2. At the end of GoW3, we use the blade to drain Gaia’s energy, killing her. If we are to take the mythology literally, Gaia was who created the islands and oceans. What if Tyr melted the blade down and reforged it into something the people of Greece could use to rebuild? Something with enough power to both harness the Hope that Kratos left behind, and clear the land of the evils that remained? I think this could be a good explanation for the “gift” that we see Tyr giving in the mural.
@@fernosbonos5394 Everything we know about Tyr so far is that he’s an incredibly intelligent and skilled craftsman. He also had a relationship with Brok and Sindri, who could have aided. He collects knowledge, relics, and artifacts from other cultures, and clearly knows of the existence of other pantheons. He is also a god of war, meaning he probably has a competent understanding of magic. Not only that, he also literally designed an entire temple capable of *harnessing the power of the Bifrost,* allowing for the ease of travel between different realms. Everything we know about Tyr sets him up to have levels of intellect paralleling even Odin. What makes you think he couldn’t repurpose the Blade of Olympus?
@@AfromanRants you do know we have yet to see tyrfing the norse version of muramasa and yamato (from devilmaycry) it's ether him or the dwarves that made it named durin and dvalin.
@@AfromanRants tyrfing, the sword that can cut stones and metals like butter and is the most dangerous sword in norse myth that kills the user when drawn it randomly kills the user. Tyr is fine using his sword but the humans did all them died.
Apart from the fact that there are 2 timelines and that Faye would travel back to the past, I think the story becomes less confusing with less time travel although with not too much it could still be a good storyline and make sense.
Ayo. I jus enjoyed the video. And nah bro I didn't click out because its a sick video. Yea the theory is very different and can get u alot of arguments. But it's sick. U put some good hard work into this and ay i love the theory. The part when in 13:02 to 13:15. Fk. i was like "bruh 2 loki can actually be possible".. Good work. I genuinely enjoyed ur theory.
From my understanding, when Atreus was about to die the world was doing crazy, signifying the need of a Loki to be in the world for is to function properly. So it would make sense that regardless of who the father may be a Loki would be born to the world. The only important factor being that the father's nature is the one that determines Loki's path. I mean Atreus was predetermined to be called Loki before Kratos decided to name him "Atreus", after his dead friend. This would piggyback off of your theory that Faye birthed a new generation of giants. That way the previous timeline Loki could be part Asear from the time of peace. and Kratos changing something is changing current Loki's affiliation and teachings. IDK its a hard sell but its very interesting
At this point Kap is gonna figure out the alternate endings that could've happened. Guarantee the GOW Team does something special for you for how close you are to their story
Hello Kaptain Kuba There is something in the GOW 2018 game no one is talking about Kratos blames mimir for not telling them that baldur is the son of freya. But at the beginning of the game on one sections of the boat Atreus identifies baldur and says that he is the son of freya and odin. The theore here is that after freya revived atreus of his sickness she might have erased some of his knowlage about her son or maybe more. I think that this is the only explanation to this plot.
You’ve done it again Kuba! You have blown my mind once again. The evidence is there. Of course, the directors have their vision, and even if this doesn’t turn out COMPLETELY right, I definitely think there is merit to this theory!
@@KaptainKuba for sure. Something else I thought of was that when Atreus saw himself killing Modi in Helheim, he said that that was not him. It’s almost as if he didn’t remember those memories entirely. Of course, this could just be his incredible disbelief for his actions, a hint that Atreus has “two sides” within himself, or a hint (like you explained) from Santa Monica that another Atreus exists. This may just be some random thought, but I think you’re definitely on to something! Great video.
Or Atreus just seems familiar to Jörmungandr because Atreus is way older when he knows him in the future. It's a cool theory. Perhaps some of it could be true. Like Evil loki from the future but it IS Atreus. Perhaps Kratos from the OG timeline does in fact make it to the Norse world but later. So Faye goes back in time to take Kratos earlier than he should to get an advantage for Ragnarok.
Kratos also did a fair amount of time traveling himself in the previous games. The fates dragged him through time and then he killed them and took their power, and moved all of the Titans forward. The Norse fates, the Norns, perhaps had similar abilities and noticed the time line shift somehow.
Just started gow 3. Forgot how good it was..love your channel man. I think you should do a video like one you did in last year in which the audience give theories and questions in a community post. Loved the last one can't Wait for part 2 of that video.
I loved this theory especially the part where Atreus will see the evil version of himself and try to steer away from it, not wanting to be like him(the evil self). It draws a lot of similarity with Kang and young Nathaniel Richards where the younger version sees all the horrors he will bring so he tries to avoid his destiny and ends up becoming Iron Lad.
I have to disagree the world serpent is seeing his father but as a kid so it’s clear he would say he looks familiar and not identical as for the bird I’m 90 percent sure it’s the eagle from hel
My theory is that the timelines are not linier but run congruent and fluent with each other. Like in the previous God of Wars, Kratos can interact with the past and future. Creating so called new branches of the world tree. Even a timeliness where calliope is alive still exist. Stretching I know but definitely possible. By destroying the world tree and and the inhabitants of it a primordial restart takes affect. Whilst also simultaneously continuing the previous and current line of events do to the presents of the individuals whom brought about the destruction. No matter the place Loki will unlock key events to bring forth destruction, and also harmony all together. It can literally go on forever. We are freedom personified!
I think the reason why Mimir says "Prophecy doesn't count on you" {Kratos} is because he didn't know about the mural inside the Temple of the Giants in Jotunheim. I think this could be because the mural was hidden behind some form of magic which could only be revealed by either Kratos or Atreus touching it. Similar to the mural in Tyr's Temple which had elements to it which could only be seen with those special eyes Mimir has. Hence why he says that.
Loved the video man, also please upload more I recently got into gow series and can't wait for ragnarok. In the meantime I keep watching your videos, so please upload more. Ty
YES! If you go back in your previous recent videos and other TH-camrs that make god of war videos .. i have said that Odin is the father of Loki on another time line.. I’m glad there’s finally a video
I have a crazy theory. What if, this is the 3rd timeline 😲. In the 1st, everything happend the same way as the mythology says, without Kratos. Than, Faye traveled back, creating the 2nd timeline, bring Kratos here and told the 2nd timeline Faye to find him, and have Loki with him. 2nd timeline Faye died, but the other Faye saw everything that happend to Kratos and Atreus. Atreus's sons and 1st timeline Faye traveled again, and here we are, at the 3rd timeline. That expalins, why Atreus looked familiar to Jörmungard, and 1st timeline Faye created the drawings on the walls, becouse she allready saw everything
Honestly I could care less if there were two Loki’s, I just want to see Atreus grow up into adulthood with his dad & see what type of journeys awaits them. This video was cool by the way.
I think when Mimir say prophecy didn't count on you, I think he means that he didn't expect this Kratos (A changed Kratos). But at the same time, I think it could be true that Kratos didn't exist back in the first one.
It's also possible that Kratos was not a present father in the first timeline where Loki would follow Odin as a Male role model. The game does have a lot on emphasis on Kratos and Loki bonding and learning from each other
Yeah, it could be that Faye realised she had to die so that Kratos would be forced to spend more time with Atreus so that he would end up on a better path. And without Kratos present or having a deeper connection to Atreus by the time of Ragnarok, Atreus would be swayed by Odin.
You should do a indepth recap of the GOW4 story and all the important lore before ragnarok comes out. It would be a good brainrefresher for all these millions of people who have played the game 4 years ago and dont remember all of Mimir's stories :)
If u like this video, then You should check out the youtuber: *Cooking with kratos* He tells odins whole entire plan and it was right before our very eyes.
Faye's people (the giants) called him Loki. That doesn't surely mean that he is THE Loki from the Norse mythology. People often name their kids after someone or someplace they have a connection with, are inspired from etc., just like Kratos named Atreus after the Spartan warrior. So maybe Faye named him Loki after the actual Loki. Great video Kap, never thought about there being 2 Loki(s). Your videos are really good for brainstorming about the next game. Great theories, the game's story has a lot to live upto now.😊
The problem with that is that the actual Loki who appears in the myths, the one you claim Atreus may have been named after, doesn't exist in the God of War universe. The creation of Mjolnir, the killing of Baldur, the flyting of Loki, the imprisonment and eventual escape of Loki that begins Ragnarok... none of that has happened. Loki has purposefully been written out of the mythology because he wasn't born yet. Atreus was the one who caused Baldur's death using the mistletoe arrow - Loki's greatest sin in the original myths - so why would they give it to a some kid who was named Loki that isn't the actual Loki? Why have Jormungandr recognise Atreus if he isn't his father? Why have Atreus' mother be called Laufaye and his father be nicknamed Fárbauti under the depictions of Kratos on the murals? Atreus IS the Loki.
This changes the game alot as ur theory is solid and kinda off but still. Because i don't know anyone who has made a two loki in god of war theory. Man i don't understand how you get these details so nicely and join em beautifully. Sheesh bro.
I think this theory is really intriguing. I don't think it's as much about the two Loki's, but more about how a different perspective on a vague, yet important line can help shape the timeline in a different view. To continue, I'm sure there are a dozen more lines such as the prophecy one that can be made into different swaying points through different thoughts. Now it's just about finding the right combination of which situations and views make the most sense in progression of what we already were given. As our base for knowledge was definitely extremely large in the first game. The two Loki's theory is just the first step in uncovering even more exciting potential for Ragnarok!
I agree with you.. and also i notice something on atreus when he killed Modi. He literally change his mood that time.. and when they were on hellhiem kratos ask him "what happend to you there, you lost controll boy" then atreus said:" I dont know that wasn't me". There is something about him.
You could be right. Santa Monica studios could switch the roles of both Lokis so that Atreus could be the father of Fenrir, world serpent, and Hel and the Loki of Asgard just tricks Thor into drinking the ocean and all that
I hope when the game comes out you film yourself playing for the first time, even if you don't want to do a proper play through and talk to the audience I would love to see your reactions to all the big revelations that we are sure to see in the game
Before Ragnarök I thought it was possible that there was a future Loki. Since Skol and Hati are Fenrir’s kin and Jormungandr already existed. But in GoW Ragnarök it was explained that Garm and Fenrir are the same like Freya and Frigg are. Which concludes the hole in the plot. Jormungandr is a giant that Thor killed or tried to kill. Bergelmir has a shrine in Tyr’s statues room where you flip the temple in GOW 2018. It is mentioned that Bergelmir “disappeared” without dying (he placed his soul in an object or somebody else did it for him). I think Faye placed Bergelmir’s soul somewhere for Atreus to find in the future. “Until gods grow good” is also a phrase from Tyr’s temple during the “breaking the chains” part. A second Loki could be possible because Odin is depicted riding Sleipnir (which is a plot hole since Sleipnir doesn’t appear in the Norse games). I think Asgard Loki is dead and he probably used an alias. Asgard Loki is Garm’s father and Sleipnir’s mother (like the myth 😂). Since Santa Monica combined figures into supposed ones, then splitting Loki in two could be an interesting twist. We might get a game about Asgard Loki without knowing it is not Atreus. The reveal could happen at the end. This could give the writers room to create a character background that is similar, but has differences to the Loki we know. Hints could be dropped everywhere, but only be apparent if you replay the game (just like Tyr being Odin in disguise in Ragnarök). That way we can get Sunny as Atreus and a new actor as Asgard Loki. Two new protagonists for a spin off prequel/sequel. Or it could have been Atreus from a different timeline all along.
I have a theory where Atreus and Angrboda travel to the first timeline, before Ymir's death. This would explain Sleipnir, Jormungandr, Fenrir and the artbook cover (supposedly they arriving at an empty Jotunheim). I have no clue why they would travel back in time, maybe it's an accident when Kratos fights Thor and Yggdrasil splinters or something.
Last time Kratos traveled through time, it was when he was fighting the Greek Fates. Maybe they'll battle the Norse Fates, the Norns at the base of Yggdrasil, and get time travel kicked off that way. Their names are Past, Present and Future.
I'm suuuuuper late, but apparently in actual Norse myth there are two Lokis. The trickster that everyone is familiar with and there's another one who resides in some sort of Castle but not a lot is known or said about that one so this Theory could work
Interesting theory. The fact that the serpent sort of recognized Atreus but not Kratos is clear evidence that Kratos wasn't involved in the first timeline. I believe that Odin (as you said before) recollected to much info on the prophecy that allowed him to alter the outcome of Ragnarok, so Faye opted to include Kratos on this one. Haha I can only imagine the face of Odin searching for Kratos and finding none in all the info he has gathered.
I had a thought. What if Kratos never loved Faye and she used magic on him similar to what Freya did with Mimir to make him forget Baldur’s weakness. Kratos may have just been a means to an end.
I was just thinking about that too, it seems like kratos is being used once again, however the purpose is probably as a catalyst for revenge against the gods.
I think its also possible that Kratos wasn't a present father in the original timeline, and thus the trip to the mountains was a way to have Kratos anchor Loki to the giants where as in the original time being left alone Artreus joined the Norse gods
interesting theory, Kuba, since there are 2 characters named Loki in norse myth they might adapt both into GOW perhaps they will do something like Laufey had the first Loki in a prior relationship & told her son of his destiny, but he could not handle the pressure or responsibility of knowing his fate, so he fled in the guise of a bird, or something like that idk
The theory is good but according to norse mythology, Faye(Laufey) and Farabauti are the parents of Asgard Loki not of the Utgard Loki. And from the final Jotunheim Mural we know that Kratos is Farbauti. So Atreus is the son of Faye and Farbauti (Kratos), which means he has to be the Asgard Loki. Hope this makes sense.
make a theory about Kratos from God of War 2 when he was back in time to stop Zeus from killing him and his old self is alive and also love your,i have been watching them since the start of the channel
Never clicking out from your vids This theory might mean that La Faye's role in the Norse series is similar to Kratos' role in God of War 2, they both travel back in time to change their fate, and since there is the mention of Norniers / Fates in the Norse series, it makes sense that Faye had a means to travel back in time
idk if its already been talked about but i think about it a lot, theres a scene where modi says to atreus "your gonna be my new brother" which if true, would make atreus a son of odin. like loki is in mythology
I really hope this game is good which im sure it will be. But if it bombs imma step up and let Kaptain Kuba develope a GOW game on all his theories! Nice vid.
Maybe in the orginal timeline kratos does die Before naming Atreus and Faye names him Loki and then that Atreus become just like mythological counter part and the giants lose the war during the original Ragnarok But probably when Faye, the serpent , and the wolves travel thru time that allowed things to change and keep Kratos alive in the current timeline That’s why “ prophecy didn’t count on him” when he killed Baldur. And how Atreus look familiar to the serpent
Also quick think when we first meet the serpent he tell kratos “i know you” you might think someone told him about kratos but remember mimir said he was the only one who could speak that old tongue meaning he know who kratos is from the future?
Love your content as always Kuba! Honestly I don't buy all the time travelling stuff with Faye though. I just don't see it happening. If anything Angrboda will tell us how she's kept baby giants which will turn out to be Fenrir etc. I believe more in the time distortion between realms affecting things than actual time travel regularly occurring.
i will use your space to tell something that is itching me about gow, i'm replaying the game again and i found some cool things that i never saw someone talking about, the first one is about faye's markings, we know that yellow is the color that represents faye, and everywhere in the world that is maked in yellow it was her that made it, but some places are marked in other colours, I saw three times already, the first time i saw, it was in alfheim, a white paint, close to the light, right in front of the edge that you use to go down, between the piles of dead elvs, the other mark i saw is in the mountain, right after you take mimir's head and is climbing down, on the wall, are some markings, that have no color, and behind one of the towers, close to a rift that spits two very high level wulvers, a little white thing on the ground, which looks like faye's signs, but in white... i don't know who made these, but in the gow ragnarok trailer, you can see the markings in places are now white... what that does mean??? second thing is, when you enter fafnir's storeroom, you have to fight in 4 different rooms to find the keys to enter the main room, there you will find the father who was stabbed in the back by his son, ok... what i find funny is, in every one of rooms you find a statue of an animal, one there's a falcon, in the other there's a wolf, then a bear, then a stag... cool we know now that these animals represent some people, the falcon represents faye, the wolf represents atreus, and the bear is kratos, but who is the stag?(for some reason i thought týr), and the coolest shit is, in the main room, the room where the father got betrayed, there are some goats statues outside (mimir?), i might be reaching too far, BUT, this can be a hint that mimir will betray us in ragnarok? i personaly don't think so, but i will leave that information there for yall to think about.
I'm pretty sure the serpent said he looked familiar because he is Loki but much younger so he doesn't look exactly the same as the timeliness where the serpent came from because that one was 100 years older
I remember that Mimir was very concerned about Atreus turning evil and didn’t dismiss it as merely a child being a brat. So maybe he knows something about an evil version of Loki.
Lol. U guys just don't know. U should all check out the youtuber
*Cooking with kratos*
He proves Odin's entire plan.
My theory is that in the first timeline Kratos died instead of Faye. Prophecy didn’t count on him because we wasn’t there in the first timeline. But Faye and Atreus were. That’s also how Faye was able to lay out the path of the first game. She had already walked it with Atreus to spread Kratos ashes.
Okay brother, this is pretty good, but basically you are saying God of War 2018 with Faye as the protagonist. For this to be true, spreading ashes should have no meaning, like it was just a goal for the journey and only the journey was important to start the events of Ragnarok. But Faye was a giant, and I believe Jotunheim should be easily accessible for her. As we know, she was an important figure for giants; she had knowledge of their secrets and strategies, but in this case, Kratos didn't even know Faye was a giant, so finding all the secrets during this big journey made sense and there should be a world serpent in that universe too right? I like your theory though; it makes sense.
Kratos is Immortal.
Kratos can't die
@@quintonmiller8266 Got a point there lol. Well humor me and say he “was sent to Hel” or something.
@@literallynerd2326 this makes sense. I’ve also been reminded that Kratos is immortal sooo….whoops. So much for my theory lol
I have another evidence. In the first timeline, Ragnarök happend. For that, there had to be Loki, who killed Baldur. No Loki=no dead Baldur=no Ragnarök= no Thor vs Jörmungard
Idk you guys forget only jormungandr in Norse ever travelled through time as it took cracking Yggdrasil for that to happen so how did Faye travel back in time she’d be the only living being that ever time travelled without cracking the world tree it’s just impossible this is a cool theory but for a loki to be born he has to be half god and it can’t be aesir or he wouldn’t have use of the vanir magic the real Loki can use sooo in real ragnarok myth even though Loki killed him baldur still survives ragnarok with his nephews modi and magni so evil Loki can’t exist for baldur to stay dead as part of baldurs resurrection was due to Loki plus fenrir never came back with Faye it would be impossible to hide a wolf that never stops growing and is almost as big as half of jormungandr so and to add another Loki would cost more money than Santa Monica would possibly want to spend adding 10 more hours of gameplay to make another Loki fit in with lord and history and background I just logically this theory makes no sense as how can Faye travel through time when in Norse myth time travel was only capable by shaking the world tree hard enough to crack it creating a hole in time itself so cool theory but it’s not very sound logically and based off events that have already taken place plus there was 0 hint in gow 2018 that anyone other than jormungandr ever has or ever could travel through time
Good point
My brain hurts
@@Fasteddycustoms you dont know if its just the serpent. Even Fenrir is present so theres more behind it...
@@LS-wy4bk fenrir isn’t in gow 2018 at all and yes we do know it was just the serpent many characters mention only a serpent showing up 1 day not a giant wolf plus by timeline kratos was in Norway when the serpent appeared we know that through gameplay complete 100% of the game before you argue points that aren’t valid
Kap I can safely say that this is the best theory you've ever done, this could easily be the next game plot twist
Thanks man, I appreciate it. I don't know if it will be exactly like this but there's definitely something here
This theory is horrible
Bro this theory is so cool
This is a reach, I like it, but this comment annoyed me .
This theory is so controversial 😂
Bro cuba, from the bottom of my heart, thanks for making amazing content.
This was so good! love me some good theories, Kaptain!
get well soon bro
Maybe Tir took Kratos place on the first timeline and that’s where the evil Loki came from. As a way of fighting against Odin but Odin found out, locked Tir up and raised Loki on that timeline.
I swear you're eventually going to convince me that Freya is actually atreus's mother
Next theory 😂
Lmaoooooo
This is an unlikely theory but I think Angrboda might die because when Atreus tells the serpent that his mother passed the serpent says he knows his pain, just a thought 🤷♂️
good idea
Interesting
Or Atreus might die
I’m pretty sure he already went over this
oooohh
This is the best theory I've ever seen kap Keep going bro you doing something Different and we're enjoying it I can't wait for another theory you made it
Hands down the best GOW youtube channel and commentary. Thanks so much for all you do!
It’s possible that Kratos still made it to Scandinavia in the first timeline as well. He just might’ve arrived at a much later time. Faye traveling back in time to ensure he gets there when she needs him would be more likely
Maybe Kratos and his own time jumping escapades in the previous game (when he killed the fates) made him 'unstuck' in time so to speak, so he was easier to drag through time again.
Hey Kuba! I was replaying the Greek saga this last week, and realized something I think will end up being rather important. We know the Blade of Olympus can essentially absorb power from beings, shown in the beginning of God of War 2. At the end of GoW3, we use the blade to drain Gaia’s energy, killing her. If we are to take the mythology literally, Gaia was who created the islands and oceans. What if Tyr melted the blade down and reforged it into something the people of Greece could use to rebuild? Something with enough power to both harness the Hope that Kratos left behind, and clear the land of the evils that remained? I think this could be a good explanation for the “gift” that we see Tyr giving in the mural.
I'm not sure if tyr can make something like that
@@fernosbonos5394 Everything we know about Tyr so far is that he’s an incredibly intelligent and skilled craftsman. He also had a relationship with Brok and Sindri, who could have aided. He collects knowledge, relics, and artifacts from other cultures, and clearly knows of the existence of other pantheons. He is also a god of war, meaning he probably has a competent understanding of magic. Not only that, he also literally designed an entire temple capable of *harnessing the power of the Bifrost,* allowing for the ease of travel between different realms. Everything we know about Tyr sets him up to have levels of intellect paralleling even Odin. What makes you think he couldn’t repurpose the Blade of Olympus?
@@AfromanRants you do know we have yet to see tyrfing the norse version of muramasa and yamato (from devilmaycry) it's ether him or the dwarves that made it named durin and dvalin.
@@fernosbonos5394 None of those words you just said made any semblance of sense
@@AfromanRants tyrfing, the sword that can cut stones and metals like butter and is the most dangerous sword in norse myth that kills the user when drawn it randomly kills the user. Tyr is fine using his sword but the humans did all them died.
Your extremely good at making theories make sense
hahahah I convinced you didnt it?
Apart from the fact that there are 2 timelines and that Faye would travel back to the past, I think the story becomes less confusing with less time travel although with not too much it could still be a good storyline and make sense.
Ayo. I jus enjoyed the video. And nah bro I didn't click out because its a sick video. Yea the theory is very different and can get u alot of arguments. But it's sick. U put some good hard work into this and ay i love the theory. The part when in 13:02 to 13:15. Fk. i was like "bruh 2 loki can actually be possible".. Good work. I genuinely enjoyed ur theory.
From my understanding, when Atreus was about to die the world was doing crazy, signifying the need of a Loki to be in the world for is to function properly. So it would make sense that regardless of who the father may be a Loki would be born to the world. The only important factor being that the father's nature is the one that determines Loki's path. I mean Atreus was predetermined to be called Loki before Kratos decided to name him "Atreus", after his dead friend. This would piggyback off of your theory that Faye birthed a new generation of giants. That way the previous timeline Loki could be part Asear from the time of peace. and Kratos changing something is changing current Loki's affiliation and teachings. IDK its a hard sell but its very interesting
At this point Kap is gonna figure out the alternate endings that could've happened. Guarantee the GOW Team does something special for you for how close you are to their story
Hello Kaptain Kuba
There is something in the GOW 2018 game no one is talking about
Kratos blames mimir for not telling them that baldur is the son of freya. But at the beginning of the game on one sections of the boat Atreus identifies baldur and says that he is the son of freya and odin. The theore here is that after freya revived atreus of his sickness she might have erased some of his knowlage about her son or maybe more. I think that this is the only explanation to this plot.
U got a good voice. Its calming. So i enjoy watching and hearing ur theories bruh .
You’ve done it again Kuba! You have blown my mind once again. The evidence is there. Of course, the directors have their vision, and even if this doesn’t turn out COMPLETELY right, I definitely think there is merit to this theory!
Yeah I don't know if 100% right, but there's something there
@@KaptainKuba for sure. Something else I thought of was that when Atreus saw himself killing Modi in Helheim, he said that that was not him. It’s almost as if he didn’t remember those memories entirely. Of course, this could just be his incredible disbelief for his actions, a hint that Atreus has “two sides” within himself, or a hint (like you explained) from Santa Monica that another Atreus exists. This may just be some random thought, but I think you’re definitely on to something! Great video.
Or Atreus just seems familiar to Jörmungandr because Atreus is way older when he knows him in the future. It's a cool theory. Perhaps some of it could be true. Like Evil loki from the future but it IS Atreus. Perhaps Kratos from the OG timeline does in fact make it to the Norse world but later. So Faye goes back in time to take Kratos earlier than he should to get an advantage for Ragnarok.
Kratos also did a fair amount of time traveling himself in the previous games. The fates dragged him through time and then he killed them and took their power, and moved all of the Titans forward. The Norse fates, the Norns, perhaps had similar abilities and noticed the time line shift somehow.
This theory or idea was back of head every time I think about how Loki kids exists. So thanks 😊 👍🏼
Just started gow 3. Forgot how good it was..love your channel man.
I think you should do a video like one you did in last year in which the audience give theories and questions in a community post.
Loved the last one can't Wait for part 2 of that video.
I was actaully thinking of doing that, especially for these two videos lol
I loved this theory especially the part where Atreus will see the evil version of himself and try to steer away from it, not wanting to be like him(the evil self). It draws a lot of similarity with Kang and young Nathaniel Richards where the younger version sees all the horrors he will bring so he tries to avoid his destiny and ends up becoming Iron Lad.
Not sure if I agree with you completely, but man I love such theories and the way you think !
Great work Cap’n
Great video. I appreciate all the effort and thought you put into this!
Take care, everyone!
Get well soon man, I hope you make a full recovery
I have to disagree the world serpent is seeing his father but as a kid so it’s clear he would say he looks familiar and not identical as for the bird I’m 90 percent sure it’s the eagle from hel
My theory is that the timelines are not linier but run congruent and fluent with each other. Like in the previous God of Wars, Kratos can interact with the past and future. Creating so called new branches of the world tree. Even a timeliness where calliope is alive still exist. Stretching I know but definitely possible. By destroying the world tree and and the inhabitants of it a primordial restart takes affect. Whilst also simultaneously continuing the previous and current line of events do to the presents of the individuals whom brought about the destruction. No matter the place Loki will unlock key events to bring forth destruction, and also harmony all together. It can literally go on forever.
We are freedom personified!
Can't wait Kuba, you have some of the best quality videos
I’m just glad you have more content
Bro you explained it so well. Great video and great theory!
I think the reason why Mimir says "Prophecy doesn't count on you" {Kratos} is because he didn't know about the mural inside the Temple of the Giants in Jotunheim. I think this could be because the mural was hidden behind some form of magic which could only be revealed by either Kratos or Atreus touching it. Similar to the mural in Tyr's Temple which had elements to it which could only be seen with those special eyes Mimir has. Hence why he says that.
I was thinking that too, that maybe mimir doesn't know the whole prophecy and this just made me sure of it.
Loved the video man, also please upload more I recently got into gow series and can't wait for ragnarok. In the meantime I keep watching your videos, so please upload more. Ty
Welcome to the channel man!
@@KaptainKuba Replied so fast, damn.
Your videos aren’t even that long lol. I appreciate the length and details
I think Atreus has multiple personalities, he said “that wasn’t me” when he saw the Helhiem vision of himself stabbing Modi.
Also this could explain why he hears voices
I have no words wow never thought about it! Once again outstanding kaptain kuba 👏
YES! If you go back in your previous recent videos and other TH-camrs that make god of war videos .. i have said that Odin is the father of Loki on another time line.. I’m glad there’s finally a video
I have a crazy theory. What if, this is the 3rd timeline 😲. In the 1st, everything happend the same way as the mythology says, without Kratos. Than, Faye traveled back, creating the 2nd timeline, bring Kratos here and told the 2nd timeline Faye to find him, and have Loki with him. 2nd timeline Faye died, but the other Faye saw everything that happend to Kratos and Atreus. Atreus's sons and 1st timeline Faye traveled again, and here we are, at the 3rd timeline. That expalins, why Atreus looked familiar to Jörmungard, and 1st timeline Faye created the drawings on the walls, becouse she allready saw everything
Well that's far too ambitious of u
Why would faye travel back if Ragnarok successfully happened?
@@AbhijeetChouhanXD becouse the giants lost in Ragnarök
Honestly I could care less if there were two Loki’s, I just want to see Atreus grow up into adulthood with his dad & see what type of journeys awaits them. This video was cool by the way.
I can safely say that Kuba never disappoints when he drops a video
I'm glad you still enjoy them ❤️
Kap this theory is one of the best theory's you have done Nice work
I'm glad you enjoyed it ❤️
Quality theory, once again from the one and only, i say this a lot but KEEP IT UP MAN YOU'RE DOING GREAT WOOO
Thanks man, you're too kind ❤️
@@KaptainKuba fastest reply in the west
I think when Mimir say prophecy didn't count on you, I think he means that he didn't expect this Kratos (A changed Kratos). But at the same time, I think it could be true that Kratos didn't exist back in the first one.
Man Cuba u a legend Man U keep me entertained with the god of war content when nobody does u a real one ❤
I'm glad man ❤️
Kratos : First need to find all the children owned by Faye .
It's also possible that Kratos was not a present father in the first timeline where Loki would follow Odin as a Male role model. The game does have a lot on emphasis on Kratos and Loki bonding and learning from each other
Yeah, it could be that Faye realised she had to die so that Kratos would be forced to spend more time with Atreus so that he would end up on a better path. And without Kratos present or having a deeper connection to Atreus by the time of Ragnarok, Atreus would be swayed by Odin.
These videos are all thats keeping me alive until ragnarok
The eye patch on the kratos figure in the start menu of the game makes so much sense
What eye patch? Lol
@@KaptainKuba start the game up look at the kratos figure right eye
@@godofwarlorefather3749 there is no eye patch in any start menu of any gow games, what are you talking about
@@devrizalalderon3174 go look 2018….
@@devrizalalderon3174 in the title screen of gow 2018 there are two toys of arteus and kratos and kratos has a eye patch i think
Oh and the content is amazing man keep it up
Thanks man and no, Kratos doesn't have his wings not the old weapons
I enjoy your amazing voice its too calming for me
Great theory as always man!
keep it up Kuba. I love your videos, you have a good idea on the game
Big fan love theses games been playing since it came out I love the vids keep up the good work
You should do a indepth recap of the GOW4 story and all the important lore before ragnarok comes out. It would be a good brainrefresher for all these millions of people who have played the game 4 years ago and dont remember all of Mimir's stories :)
This was a great video
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*Cooking with kratos* He tells odins whole entire plan and it was right before our very eyes.
Faye's people (the giants) called him Loki. That doesn't surely mean that he is THE Loki from the Norse mythology. People often name their kids after someone or someplace they have a connection with, are inspired from etc., just like Kratos named Atreus after the Spartan warrior. So maybe Faye named him Loki after the actual Loki.
Great video Kap, never thought about there being 2 Loki(s). Your videos are really good for brainstorming about the next game. Great theories, the game's story has a lot to live upto now.😊
The problem with that is that the actual Loki who appears in the myths, the one you claim Atreus may have been named after, doesn't exist in the God of War universe. The creation of Mjolnir, the killing of Baldur, the flyting of Loki, the imprisonment and eventual escape of Loki that begins Ragnarok... none of that has happened. Loki has purposefully been written out of the mythology because he wasn't born yet. Atreus was the one who caused Baldur's death using the mistletoe arrow - Loki's greatest sin in the original myths - so why would they give it to a some kid who was named Loki that isn't the actual Loki? Why have Jormungandr recognise Atreus if he isn't his father? Why have Atreus' mother be called Laufaye and his father be nicknamed Fárbauti under the depictions of Kratos on the murals? Atreus IS the Loki.
This changes the game alot as ur theory is solid and kinda off but still. Because i don't know anyone who has made a two loki in god of war theory. Man i don't understand how you get these details so nicely and join em beautifully. Sheesh bro.
I think this theory is really intriguing. I don't think it's as much about the two Loki's, but more about how a different perspective on a vague, yet important line can help shape the timeline in a different view. To continue, I'm sure there are a dozen more lines such as the prophecy one that can be made into different swaying points through different thoughts. Now it's just about finding the right combination of which situations and views make the most sense in progression of what we already were given. As our base for knowledge was definitely extremely large in the first game. The two Loki's theory is just the first step in uncovering even more exciting potential for Ragnarok!
Wow! This makes complete sense Kaptain. I don’t know but it sure makes complete sense
I agree with you.. and also i notice something on atreus when he killed Modi. He literally change his mood that time.. and when they were on hellhiem kratos ask him "what happend to you there, you lost controll boy" then atreus said:" I dont know that wasn't me". There is something about him.
Man I have so many ideas. And so many questions. I cannot wait to see what unfolds.
Evil what now? I'm hooked
Yeah it's wild
You could be right. Santa Monica studios could switch the roles of both Lokis so that Atreus could be the father of Fenrir, world serpent, and Hel and the Loki of Asgard just tricks Thor into drinking the ocean and all that
I hope when the game comes out you film yourself playing for the first time, even if you don't want to do a proper play through and talk to the audience I would love to see your reactions to all the big revelations that we are sure to see in the game
I will, too many have asked me lol
@@KaptainKuba I will definitely be watching that after my own playthrough 🤣💯
@@KaptainKuba all these theories are making me so impatient, I need this game
Before Ragnarök I thought it was possible that there was a future Loki. Since Skol and Hati are Fenrir’s kin and Jormungandr already existed. But in GoW Ragnarök it was explained that Garm and Fenrir are the same like Freya and Frigg are. Which concludes the hole in the plot. Jormungandr is a giant that Thor killed or tried to kill.
Bergelmir has a shrine in Tyr’s statues room where you flip the temple in GOW 2018. It is mentioned that Bergelmir “disappeared” without dying (he placed his soul in an object or somebody else did it for him).
I think Faye placed Bergelmir’s soul somewhere for Atreus to find in the future. “Until gods grow good” is also a phrase from Tyr’s temple during the “breaking the chains” part.
A second Loki could be possible because Odin is depicted riding Sleipnir (which is a plot hole since Sleipnir doesn’t appear in the Norse games). I think Asgard Loki is dead and he probably used an alias. Asgard Loki is Garm’s father and Sleipnir’s mother (like the myth 😂). Since Santa Monica combined figures into supposed ones, then splitting Loki in two could be an interesting twist. We might get a game about Asgard Loki without knowing it is not Atreus. The reveal could happen at the end. This could give the writers room to create a character background that is similar, but has differences to the Loki we know. Hints could be dropped everywhere, but only be apparent if you replay the game (just like Tyr being Odin in disguise in Ragnarök). That way we can get Sunny as Atreus and a new actor as Asgard Loki. Two new protagonists for a spin off prequel/sequel.
Or it could have been Atreus from a different timeline all along.
i love these long videosss
I have a theory where Atreus and Angrboda travel to the first timeline, before Ymir's death. This would explain Sleipnir, Jormungandr, Fenrir and the artbook cover (supposedly they arriving at an empty Jotunheim). I have no clue why they would travel back in time, maybe it's an accident when Kratos fights Thor and Yggdrasil splinters or something.
Last time Kratos traveled through time, it was when he was fighting the Greek Fates. Maybe they'll battle the Norse Fates, the Norns at the base of Yggdrasil, and get time travel kicked off that way.
Their names are Past, Present and Future.
I'm suuuuuper late, but apparently in actual Norse myth there are two Lokis. The trickster that everyone is familiar with and there's another one who resides in some sort of Castle but not a lot is known or said about that one so this Theory could work
Interesting theory. The fact that the serpent sort of recognized Atreus but not Kratos is clear evidence that Kratos wasn't involved in the first timeline. I believe that Odin (as you said before) recollected to much info on the prophecy that allowed him to alter the outcome of Ragnarok, so Faye opted to include Kratos on this one. Haha I can only imagine the face of Odin searching for Kratos and finding none in all the info he has gathered.
I had a thought. What if Kratos never loved Faye and she used magic on him similar to what Freya did with Mimir to make him forget Baldur’s weakness. Kratos may have just been a means to an end.
I was just thinking about that too, it seems like kratos is being used once again, however the purpose is probably as a catalyst for revenge against the gods.
That'd be fucked up. Like Atreus being born after rape or being born unwanted.
@@ВладиславБулаев-л3э I mean Kratos obviously loves him, and maybe the magic is still active
Such a horrific take 🙄 Literally diminishes everything profound in the previous game. Absolutely idiotic ideas coming from you 😂
It would be fitting ateaous already knowing and acting like he doesn't know because well he's the God of mischief and trickery
What If kratos just died in first timeline,I mean kratos was killed by the atreus
Like we saw before releasing Faye's ashes
I think its also possible that Kratos wasn't a present father in the original timeline, and thus the trip to the mountains was a way to have Kratos anchor Loki to the giants where as in the original time being left alone Artreus joined the Norse gods
In the immortal words of Jedi Master Yoda:
"There is another"
interesting theory, Kuba,
since there are 2 characters named Loki in norse myth they might adapt both into GOW
perhaps they will do something like Laufey had the first Loki in a prior relationship & told her son of his destiny, but he could not handle the pressure or responsibility of knowing his fate, so he fled in the guise of a bird, or something like that idk
The theory is good but according to norse mythology, Faye(Laufey) and Farabauti are the parents of Asgard Loki not of the Utgard Loki. And from the final Jotunheim Mural we know that Kratos is Farbauti. So Atreus is the son of Faye and Farbauti (Kratos), which means he has to be the Asgard Loki.
Hope this makes sense.
Another awesome video ⚡️🔥
This is gonna be a great video!
I love longer videos 15/20 min is perfect
You just nail the animations of images!
Kratos probably has another kid in Greece, being raised by Aphrodite.
Love the intro
Mimir mentioned “the son of laufey “ talking about atreus in game
make a theory about Kratos from God of War 2 when he was back in time to stop Zeus from killing him and his old self is alive
and also love your,i have been watching them since the start of the channel
When Kratos saw the drawing on the wall, Atreus holding someone in his lap ,maybe this is The Other Loki?
Never clicking out from your vids
This theory might mean that La Faye's role in the Norse series is similar to Kratos' role in God of War 2, they both travel back in time to change their fate, and since there is the mention of Norniers / Fates in the Norse series, it makes sense that Faye had a means to travel back in time
Cuba thank you from the bottom of my heart keep up the good work
idk if its already been talked about but i think about it a lot, theres a scene where modi says to atreus "your gonna be my new brother" which if true, would make atreus a son of odin. like loki is in mythology
This is the greatest theory I have ever heard.
I'm glad you liked it ❤️
Maybe when he says “prophecy doesn’t apply to you” I think he means two thing 1 he isn’t from Norse so 2. he is the key to changing everything
I really hope this game is good which im sure it will be. But if it bombs imma step up and let Kaptain Kuba develope a GOW game on all his theories! Nice vid.
Maybe in the orginal timeline kratos does die
Before naming Atreus and Faye names him Loki and then that Atreus become just like mythological counter part and the giants lose the war during the original Ragnarok
But probably when Faye, the serpent , and the wolves travel thru time that allowed things to change and keep Kratos alive in the current timeline
That’s why “ prophecy didn’t count on him” when he killed Baldur.
And how Atreus look familiar to the serpent
Also quick think when we first meet the serpent he tell kratos “i know you” you might think someone told him about kratos but remember mimir said he was the only one who could speak that old tongue meaning he know who kratos is from the future?
Dramatic sound effect, keep using them please
Love your content as always Kuba! Honestly I don't buy all the time travelling stuff with Faye though. I just don't see it happening. If anything Angrboda will tell us how she's kept baby giants which will turn out to be Fenrir etc. I believe more in the time distortion between realms affecting things than actual time travel regularly occurring.
i will use your space to tell something that is itching me about gow, i'm replaying the game again and i found some cool things that i never saw someone talking about, the first one is about faye's markings, we know that yellow is the color that represents faye, and everywhere in the world that is maked in yellow it was her that made it, but some places are marked in other colours, I saw three times already, the first time i saw, it was in alfheim, a white paint, close to the light, right in front of the edge that you use to go down, between the piles of dead elvs, the other mark i saw is in the mountain, right after you take mimir's head and is climbing down, on the wall, are some markings, that have no color, and behind one of the towers, close to a rift that spits two very high level wulvers, a little white thing on the ground, which looks like faye's signs, but in white... i don't know who made these, but in the gow ragnarok trailer, you can see the markings in places are now white... what that does mean??? second thing is, when you enter fafnir's storeroom, you have to fight in 4 different rooms to find the keys to enter the main room, there you will find the father who was stabbed in the back by his son, ok... what i find funny is, in every one of rooms you find a statue of an animal, one there's a falcon, in the other there's a wolf, then a bear, then a stag... cool
we know now that these animals represent some people, the falcon represents faye, the wolf represents atreus, and the bear is kratos, but who is the stag?(for some reason i thought týr), and the coolest shit is, in the main room, the room where the father got betrayed, there are some goats statues outside (mimir?), i might be reaching too far, BUT, this can be a hint that mimir will betray us in ragnarok? i personaly don't think so, but i will leave that information there for yall to think about.
I'm pretty sure the serpent said he looked familiar because he is Loki but much younger so he doesn't look exactly the same as the timeliness where the serpent came from because that one was 100 years older
I liked the video but i liked the intro even better
I love your videos Kaptain kuba keep up the good work