Zendikar Rising Commander Decks: Playtest and Review!
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If these are truly a replacement for planeswalker decks, this product is soooo much better, and I liked the pw decks.
I was definitely already interested in the Anowon deck but this helps cement it even more. That said, since Anowon is more aggro, it makes sense that he'd win in a 1v1 whereas in a game with 4 players, the Landfall deck likely wouldn't be a big threat early game and therefore wouldn't draw too much attention to itself.
When I looked at the deck list, I looked at Anowon as a mill strategy and dismissed it not thinking about the shenanigans that you can do with rogues. Plus there is card draw too which is nice. I have to agree tho that Anowon is favored in 1v1 but would have less bite in a 4 way game.
The resurrection cards are Anowaon's late game strategy.
Dude I had so much winning with the deck. I added this card called Mneomnic Betrayal and it help me win the game because I milled everyones best removal like paths and I used them to clear the way for me to attack and mill more. Then I finished the game off with Consuming aberration and rogues passage.
@@madscientist2621 No way, now there is a cards that say Each player or Each opponent mills. Anowon is so good in a 4 player game.
That is so very true, I picked up the Land's Wrath deck as my first commander deck and used it in my first ever paper magic game and out of the 3 games we played with 6 people I won one of them, the deck really snuck up on everyone and I was able to get her done
Wow that first game was impressive for the rogues deck.
First game I played with that deck I quickly became archenemy, although one guy was only mad because I kept milling him away from his black mana sources.
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Also, these seem like great value for the price. Hope they keep this up, they seem awesome for new and enfranchised players alike.
Obuun really needs a Terra Eternal, then you he can go nuts, without fear of losing so many resources to spot removal.
Another thing to keep in mind, is that Anowon encourages you to swing at more than one player, to mill more creatures and draw more cards! ... Unless I read the card wrong, meaning Anowon encourages you spread your damage instead of focusing on a single player, to restock your hand in case of Board Wipes.
Terra Eternal would have been incredible!
@Djmove
You draw 3 if all 3 opponents milled a creature. The draw is conditional on them milling a creature. Still a potential to draw 3.
There were tons of these at Target tonight for $20 each. If anyones looking. I grabbed a rogue one.
My Sneak Attack arrived last night and I got right to building Anowon. I'm super stoked for rogues, especially since we'll probably be seeing more in coming sets, especially in the D&D crossover set.
I tried unsuccessfully to make UG Sygg work for a long time. I don't think rogues are going to be T1 any time soon, but I love that they have such a . . .rogue strategy.
About Cloak and Dagger: this is a great example of a card that you run to stay on-theme, even if it isn't "optimal." Are Greaves/Boots just better than this most of the time? Yeah, probably, but being able to shroud up Anowon isn't the worst thing.
These were fun and informative, Muddstah. Thanks!
Definitely highlights why 1v1 is just a different game. I’m still looking for a unique angle on Obuun.
I feel like obuun would be much more dangerous as a fully built deck than as out of the box cause obuun is cheap and with zendikar and other sets you can prob do much more
Also just saying I decided to use Certain hydras and cards that allow me to change their +1 counters after they die and move them to obuni and using tokens as a way to pressure, I think he can be a very aggressive deck
@@zarock61 I agree I think there is more potential with obuun but you definitely will have to upgrade the deck
@@bigchungus4623 def you will, I just dont know how to structure it tbh there are a few things you can do but many of the ideas I have can just not workout well
@@zarock61 it might be a good idea to make his deck around tokens
So far no one else has uploaded anygameplay with these decks. Thanks
This was really cool! It was great having you and Adam bouncing off each other but also still adding good points. I hope we can see more of this!
the video of gameplays, details suggestion and description are top tier stuffs. As a new MTG player I learned a lot! Big Thank You
I totally trounced my friend in 2 games with the lands deck when we played. Stack counters on Obuun and animate a huge land with trample is the way to go. Not sure why they didn’t use that play pattern.
I liked Obuun more with anthems rather than landfall, static buff effects have double value with him: he grows than make an bigger trample elemental that also is buffed by the anthem.
Love these decks and am very pleased with WOTC decks for edh! I'm definitely building Obuun but it seems everyone only sees lands matter for the theme. I'm going to go with a counters theme as getting counters for nearly free has more potential than just landfall, and using obuuns combat ability i think battlelands subtheme would be really fun if its not the main focus of the deck
I'm building him with a land animation theme and a counters sub theme.
@@Danielalocasia definitely include darksteel citadel and cascading cataracts for unkillable lands. And inkmoth nexus and blinkmoth nexus for flying lands/infect!
That new man land from zendikar puts counters on itself and felidar retreat puts counters on all your creatures. One of the reasons why I am not as stoked about the landfall deck is that there are a ton of new landfall cards from zendikar that are not included in this precon that seem like auto includes. For the rogue deck I already had a lot of the older rogues and there are only a couple of new ones that make the cut.
Budget Extra Turns
Karn's Temporal Sundering: .80-1.50
Beacon of Tomorrows: 2-3
Part the Waterviel: 1-2
Liked this content quite a bit. Last night got my Anowon deck (even happier now, after watching this vid), and look forward to playing and tweaking it.
Glad you enjoyed!
I was looking for a vid of these pitched against each other, got them on order at the moment so nice to see how they play rather than just browse the decklist. Thanks for the playtest and review!
Looks like sneak attack is pretty solid! The other one I really like too, just needs a better manabase to keep the momentum then it should flow a lot better
This is a refreshing and amazing new format content.
2:52 can we appreciate the art on spinal embrace
Love your videos Muddstah, appreciate you testing these out. They convinced me to pick them both up.
I’m so hyped for these decks to get here, I predordered them😆😆😆
Nice!
I did 4-1 with Lands Wrath playing Sneak Attack this week. Its a bit slow, but just a bit, some very high value two drops and land was never a problem even if I lost them to combat. they're both really fun to play for the price. loving the year of commander so far.
I AM surprised to see you today!
Bought both decks and tested em 1v1 out of the box. The obuun shines, when you play it as early as possible and put every single landfall +1/+1 counter you can get right onto obuun. The ramp stuff helps much as well to get it huge quick. You can win against the sneak attack rogues with the big trample lands indeed 😉
Anyway, both decks are fun to play out of the box and for the low price I can recommend them for having some fun.
Well, the rogue deck is really good for a precon and seems to be the stronger one imo
I really love the idea of using the precons in a video, of course I want it back when they release 4 at the same time again
14:40 Love how you failed to clear the audio attempts. For a while I thought youtube was fucked up, but it's just you retrying your phases until they sound good xD (this has been hapening a lot recently!)
Muddstah! MUDDSTAH MUDDSTAH!
The fact that obuun doesnt untap the land he animates means, if you want to attack with it, youre constantly down a land each turn. Its pretty much a dead ability, meaning this commander reads: landfall, put a +1/+1 counter on target creature, and as far as +1/+1 counter decks go, this one falls way short.
im probably going to get both of these decks but now im way more into the rogues deck than the landfall deck
So glad that to hear your opinions on the deck !!!! Sneak attack looks awesome 👌 thank you for wearing 😷!!!!!
Hey there sorry! Still quite confused about how to resolve "identity stolen" so you play it, you can create a copy and cipher, but for next turn... Does the card stay cipher or can you start the process again with another card? Thank you!
Wizards! More of this! Thanks Muddstah!
Land's Wrath is a good base for an Omnath Locus of Creation deck
With the notion thief, shouldn’t keeper of fables only have triggered once, since it says “one or more non-human creatures,” so should’ve only drawn one card?
I like the new Myriad Landscape Art. Very cool looking. needs; , , , and a . needs; Fetchlands, Ramunup Excavator, Embodiment of Fury and cards that make land creatures
Great games I’m going to buy the sneak attack deck. Really enjoyable thank you
My brother and I bought one of these each, had great fun with them so far. In my opinion the dimir one seems stronger
they both look like interesting and enjoyable decks personally... loving both!!!
At first I didn't see a point in the anowon decks since the mechanic seemed contradictory but after seeing it in action, it makes more sense. It definitely can decimate life gain decks cause yea they get the life back from the damage, they're still milling. I may just get that anowon deck for a 2nd mill deck xD
I think Obuun isn’t necessary a land fall deck. Yea it looks that way but you could just go conventional voltron and have a mirror beater.
That rogue deck seems pretty good!
Its really good for 1v1 but for a 4 player I dont think its as gud
Holly cow, other video in a week.
Videos with the newest decks!! It’s been so long dude.
Thanks, great video! Love to see something a little different
Great game and always love your videos Muddstah! Quick (noob) question - are starting life totals for 1v1 normally 30 or 40? Or was this just a house rule that you guys did? Thanks!!
Normal edh (1v1 or 3+ players) is always 40, but dual commander (originaly the 1v1 mtgo/modo commander format) starts at 30 (that format has a different banlist too)
Simple way of remembering is that 1v1 french bans sol rings. So if you have a sol ring in your deck, you are more likely playing the 40 life variant
Heads up sneak attack is easily best. Would like to see them in a 4 player.
Just purchased the Land's Wrath deck!
Didn't he play Bonehoard wrong @ 12:33 ? Doesn't "living weapon" trigger when it come into play? He would have to create a germ token, then pay the equip cost to move it to another creature.
Anowon looks like a ton of fun to play. Great casual commander. I wish his ability read “when you mill a nonland card” instead so he can still profit from hitting those pesky spellslinger decks. Also, I don’t see how anowon can scale up well in a multiplayer setting 😢
That Obuun deck really strikes me as being better in multiplayer than 1v1
Get decks, both look really fun to play. Was wondering if that playmat with the ice monster that Adam had. Which one is it? I would love to get myself one.
It was The Spike Feeder limited edition one. The art was done by Victor Adame Minguez!
I've been looking and looking but can someone please explain to me what happens around 2:37. I looked at the rules and forums and I still don't understand how Stolen Identity is allowed to stay on the field and re-cast to create more copy tokens.
Can anyone explain how it was possible to play the Stolen Identity card again to create a copy of Omnath? I thought that the cypher triggers only once. Sorry if it was explained in the video. In that case I must've missed it
I can't wait to crush my wife and then play the decks with her!
Lol in that order :p best of luck!
I have the sneak attack deck and I really like it is a very fun deck my brother and I got the same deck and did a mirror match let's put it this way that match lasted 6 and 1/2 hours
Anowon has never whiffed on the trigger to draw
I think the 2 commanders are actually pretty fair when it comes to 1v1. I'm sure they took 1v1 gameplay into account between the two decks. Unfortunately, they're unwilling to make a good 3 color manabase besides a 1-2 sultai decks. It'll probably drain too much of the total price value allocated. The 3 color deck would probably be better than the dimir one if both were brought to a 1v1 casual competitive level (no thassa oracle).
ty 4 your vids
4:50, why didn't you cast anowon, I'm so confused
@3:15 how is there still an Omnath on the battlefield if he sacrificed the original and the token copy created be Stolen Identity? By my counts they were only 2
I don’t get that either. But more importantly, how can he sacrifice the Omnath token?
The sacrifice effect is from “spinal embrace”, which I thought only apply to the original Omnath?
Wouldn't the mill triggers be different for each rogue? 3 rogues hit with power 2, so three triggers to mill 2, so a chance to draw for each instance of the trigger?
No, it’s worded that it only occurs once per player, no matter how many creatures hit them “when one or more rogues... to a player”
We never saw how well Anowon would weather a board-wipe. That's a biggy in multiplayer. Also, the 'go wide' aggro strategy in multiplayer is difficult since it falsely makes you look like the 'threat' early on. IMO, the best hing about Anowon in the draw; but one wipe and it's a different story, I could really see it running out of steam; I hope it has Negate...the landfall deck suffered severely from lack of interaction, period.
Anowon is INSANE!
Cool review !
I thought 1v1’s were 30 life?
That's duel commander which, while it is 30 life, it has a completely different ban list.
In the second game. You already had a solring at the start, why wasnt it played?
Just a question, because i bought the precon and maybe my group is getting rules wrong....
3:05 Stolen Identity can copy other cards besides the encoded creature?
( the cipher card is not the creature, is the Stolen identity? ~~ memories of the games that i would won passing thought my mind )
@Djmove Holy molly thx
The lack of classical music makes it seem so much more depressing...
12:32 where's the germ token lol
HAHA... when my son and I played these I stole his Omnath too... but with that 7 mana board wipe.
Rogues went 3-0 for our 1v1 game too.
Oh cool, Adam's South African
Lol, "Anowin."
OBUUN is a good commander, in this gameplay there is no potential because the one who plays with anowon always plays with the commander while the one who plays with obuun never plays it and when in play he sets the counters to others and does not attack with lands, that deck is focused on growing the obuun and attacking with lands and spends the entire ramp only to put lands and not to take advantage of landfall
Obuun isn't good because he uses landfall, he's good because he can turn lands into 20/20 creatures with haste and Trample. The deck is set up all wrong.
Never played commander was considering picking up a deck
For the price that these are at, you have nothing to lose. Pull the trigger and just do it! You get a few staples that are nice to have as well when just starting out that will save you some money.
@@tendererlemon293 yea the biggest reason I've never played is it can get expensive I'll buy it why not
I’m just picking up the land’s wrath precon for Omnath Locus of Creation and not really using the commander at the moment .
I think this precon comes with the Rage Omnath
Adrian Melo It does and I might use it with the new legend border with this printing of the card. Some of the other stuff is keeping me from buying the secret lair today .
Obuun played this weird and honestly not as well as my friend who had this deck. He actually refused to crack myriad oandscape until he had his commander and then he would also not play the sacrifice lands until he had his commander so that he got most counters possible on obuun. Not to mention the rougue deck had allot of lucky draws that I normally don't get as I'm usually dead before I can get to that much Mana because he's hitting me for twenty plus by like turn 6
Part of the reason i love commander though tbh. You can play about 5 games, and never end up with the same cards from any of the previous games.
It would be nice if Wizard's was more realistic about the effects of removal on +1/+1 strategies. Consider falkenrath marauders two +1/+1 and it's not even in most Markov builds. Centaur battlemaster also isn't in any decks (including the new fight deck that targets creatures naturally. Only one evolve creature gets any play, the simic card draw one. Fathom Mage. +1/+1 needs help. It's strong in limited but it's so weak in Commander.
FriendlyNewt atraxa is a thing.
Anowon 1v1 is BRUTAL
He's like yuriko but a lot worse.
What I don't like about the Anowon deck is that it seems to have a severe weakness to board wipes... the fact that you played it 1v1 may have made it look more powerful than it actually was: in a four-player table, even though you may draw up to three cards from Anowon's trigger every turn, you're also dealing with three 40 life totals instead of one... those rogues are not big enough when you spread them around all three opponents.
There's also the risk of accidentally helping the opponent with the mill.
Yeah I mean don't get me wrong, I definitely want to give Anowon a go, but I think that whenever you put both of these decks into a 4-player table, their impressiveness will flip - I think Obuun will do well in 4 player simply by virtue of not being targeted the whole game, whereas Anowon might struggle some. Anowon is essentially dimir aggro, which is fun and all, but aggro tends to suffer the more opponents you have. Obviously you can play into the mill theme and play some nice reanimator effects, but those are inconsistent since they'll depend on what your opponent is playing.
Easy solution to the Obuun deck: replace it with the new Omnath. :D
Is that Good Adam or Evil Adam?
Just like you have "Andrew (Me)", you could do "Adam (Good)"
Eva
Is your friend from South Africa?
He is, yes!
@@MTGMuddstah as a South African, this makes me happy 😄
i only win with lands warth
Are these pre-cons?
Jovaney Toledo yes
Yep!
9:31 he didn't take 1
Anowon is far stronger...
Is your friend South African?
Adam is indeed!
@@MTGMuddstah ahh I'm from South Africa 🇿🇦 recognized my homie haha
#goblinpride
Reviews?!!!!
Since I did this to BrainPulp (or was it Magic Arcanum? I don't remember), I may as well to you too. "Blackguard" is usually pronounced "bla-gerd". It's an old, classist insult, referring to a kitchen servant, who by virtue of being low on the totem pole is assumed to also be unscrupulous.
Actually, to be fair in my critique, let me check the dictionary for common pronunciations (I'm a descriptivist, Jim, not a prescriptivist) . . .
And it turns out, while not the terribly common, "blak-gard" is a common enough pronunciation to be generally recognized. I stand corrected. Proceed with whichever you prefer.
I'll try and swap back and forth next time, haha!
Anawon is way too busted for no reason, f that deck and it’s stupid fairy card that gives him an extra turn
Lol at wearing a mask in your own garage.
Wearing masks at your own place. Wow lol bro that’s too much.
amodking I mean, it’s my house so I can do whatever I want?
@@MTGMuddstah That's fair just hilarious to me XD
Yuck* god forbid they include easily accessible reprints to the talismans and signets in these when they can instead throw in the garbage lockets and keyrunes nobody wants. And of course more unwanted gate reprints that they could have easily replaced with temples at this point which still aren’t the best, but a good deal better than the gates which are the bottom of the barrel.
pntbller14 honestly it’s hard to complain when they are half the price of the usual precons and have about the same value of cards overall. I agree though. It doesn’t hurt them any to put better land in the deck than guild gates. Especially disappointed in the lands in the 3 color lands matter deck.
Like Jake mentioned , I'd normally be more critical of the reprints as well, but for about half the price and technically the same value of reprints (about 90$) as the other precons that where 40$ out of the box, I couldn't really complain what i got.
@@tendererlemon293 well I’m not saying stuff like mana crypt and grim monolith. For the most part the signets and talismans are fairly inexpensive (save a few color combos which are ridiculously overpriced) the temples are all DIRT cheap and could easily have gone in place of the gates. It’s all just simple tweaks that don’t really drive up the overall value by a ton but would do a LOT to help the consistency and playability of these decks out of the box, and I feel like that should be a priority when creating these things. It’s frustrating to see gates in place of temples and keyrunes and cluestones in place of talismans and signets when there isn’t a massive price gap between them