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Clutch Dog Shifter System Overview & How to fix motor jumping out of gear.
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Justin Wilson would be proud of you! As kid on my 1963 Evinrude 10 hp the forward gear and the clutch dog were rounded over. I milled them using a Bridge Port mill back into the original shape and it worked. I was too cheap to spend money on an outboard motor when my priority was on leaning to fly airplanes. 😁🛫 what a great series of videos! Outstanding!
Thanks Mike I love how you show all steps of what to do Chris from OHIO
T Mike. Thank for your teaching. I total honestly I've never worked on an outboard motor. But after watching your and others videos I fell i could do ok. Thanks to you I've got an appreciation for the vintage outboards Chris from OHIO
Love your videos man do I wish you did larger HP vintage motors 😉 I learn so much from this channel! Thx again for taking your time T-Mike!!
Thank you, did my shifter today, and now it runs again without "jumping" 👍👏
Loved your video ! Would like to more from you as I learn how to work on these outboards. Thank you.
Great video step by step, I might try this on my motor now that I know the steps
Hi Mike, Another good video on the clutch dogs.
Great video Mike
At 4:50 you mention that the clutch dog slides into the gear and then spins the gear. I always thought that both forward and reverse gears are always spinning. Depending on which way the clutch dog is positioned determines which way the shaft will spin. The gear spins the clutch dog which spins the shaft. a very thorough video
You are correct.
I recently started watching your videos your a great teacher keep it up I noticed that since you didn't have the correct gear you only changed the shift dog my question is couldn't you put the reverse gear and put the forward gear in it's place since it's not used as much ?
Yes. You are correct
Great video - - showing the worn part and what to look for during its inspection was key. You made the reassembly of the lower unit into the power head look way too easy. 😀
In your opinion what caused the clutch dog to wear. Was it excess end play of the prop shaft in the lower unit or possibly the operator sliding into forward gear too slowly.
Thank you.
I believe putting it in gear with too much rpm - not at full idle …
i'm wondering, do you really need to remove the whole lower unit to access the clutch dog? in theory... could you not just remove that bottom portion with the lower unit on the motor, just with the whole motor flipped upside down? the only thing being the shift rod having to be moved out of the way enough... which that i don't know if it'd be possible
To disconnect the shift linkage on a 25 hp Johnson do you just have to loosen both of the bolts? Need your expertise please.
old Johnson motor owner
Those older lower units are so much easier to work on! Why did they change???
very informative T MIke, thanks so much your videos are very clear. I have a new to me 1957 Johnson 18HP and ran it all summer last year without issue until the end of the season, where I noticed that getting the shifter into forward gear was difficult. Am I correct in thinking that too is a clutch dog issue or would gears be involved. I also had noticed some gear oil near the top of the motor and though that was strange. We are about to get into the boating season and would like an idea on what you may think the problem is. thank you for your time
Sounds like a clutch dog issue. Oil could be a leaky seal.
@@michaeljsimon thank you TMike, I am hunting down the seals now. Would you happen to have any on your eBay shop? I have the original catalog and searched for them on your site but nothing popped up. Thanks agaon
@@davidfuechsel4914 not selling seals yet - I do offer a mail in repair service.
@@davidfuechsel4914 th-cam.com/video/gEOISADZEhs/w-d-xo.html
Great instructions T-Mike. Is this the same system for a '68 Evinrude 18hp Fastwin? And do you carry clutch and forward gear for same motor?
Yes
Is that a Lauson I see in your outside area?
Sure looks easy when you know what your doing.
Thanks for your videos! I'm working on a 15hp johnson (1976). Should there be any resistance in lower unit when in gear? With the lower off the motor I can feel every gear tooth engaging as I spin the prop and it feels tight. I've replaced prop shaft bearings and all gears (used gears but appear in great shape). It feels to me like maybe the pinion gear is "too" engaged with the forward and revese gears. I don't have anything to compare to so I don't know if this is normal. I'm messing with the lower because I couldn't get above 4500 rpm with it attached to the upper and got 6500 rpm with it off.
Don’t really understand your question ? Are you saying you’ve lost speed ?
Hello , I was wondering if this is the same procedure for a Johnson sea horse 40hp ? Thank you
Yea
I was wondering if you could turn the clutch dog around and would that work if one's bad put the war outside on the reverse and the good side back on forward?
Most times that works.
Wish they made them reversible.. don't need as much load on reverse.. My 1978 35HP forward is slipping due to a worn dog and gear
Does lower unit have to be removed to replace gears
Yes. I do
Can I flip the clutch dog so the wore side is to the reverse?
Yes
could u just flip the clutch dog around so the worn part is facing reverse gear and use it like that for a while?
Yes
if your clutch dog is worn out but the gear is alright, could you not just flip(rotate it 180 degrees) the clutch dog and then reinstall it ? when you flip it, your using the clutch dog teeth gears that have never been engaged before.
Yes on some motors.
I have a 61 johnson 18 horse, it seems to be the opposite for me. When I am driving slow it jumos out of gear, but when fast its fine. Any ideas?
Try adjusting the shifter lever.
@@michaeljsimon ok, will do. it is connected with shift and steering cables, do you think the cables could be worn? thanks for the replies, love the videos, you remind me of my grandpa, lol!
Question if you didn't have extra dog clutch could you reverse it because it only kicked out at high rpms
You are correct. Did not put that in my video for reasons of quality of my work but you sure can. Good thinking.
@@michaeljsimon was thinking if in a pinch plus im sure the damaged side would eventually damage reverse gear
I did that on my Johnson 25hp just like new Thanks to TMike for the videofixing that old motor was easy seeing his video.Now I'm going fishing every weekend!!!!!!!!?
@@chriseisele9969 I. Don't think it would damage it because you don't use reverse that often or at high speed so you should be good I turned mine around and it works great.
Can you order new clutch cradle and gear.
Sure
Will flipping the shift dog work for a while longer ?
Yes
I flipped it, lets see how much longer it lasts. Btw is the shift linkage supposed to be straight? The linkage in my outboard has a bent. Im thinking it contributed to the gear not fully engaging. Also looking at the adjustment on top area.
@@am932 it’s bent.
I can’t get your eBay store I put in T Mikes vintage Outbord motor parts I get mr T tee shirts everything but your store
Here is a link to his eBay store:
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The 10hp and the 7.5hp are different lower units in most years Up to 1957 the 10hp and 18hp LU's were 5 bolt (like the red one you showed) and from 1958 on the 7.5 and 10 were 4 bolt.
Have you ever repaired it by grinding? Those gears are hard to find.
I have not.
They're not hard to find, just painfully expensive. I've acquired running motors for a fraction of the cost of some new gearcase components.
@@cgodfrey19 yes I know 300 and up a gear, the clutch dog is still available and not very expensive.
What does something like this cost to have done thanks?
$200
Thanks I just ordered a clutch dog from you on eBay, I may call a few local shops but I’ll probably do it myself if I can find the time! Wish me luck!
@@Dustiehippo good luck
Thanks just received the dog clutch from you looks like it’s in good shape! Do you know if I can change the dog and forward gear with the motor upside down without removing the lower unit? Thanks