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@tbo666 That sound lit. I mean, Right, let them develop a taste for crazy stories yknow? They won’t appreciate a lot of detail when their little brains can’t comprehend too much. 😂
You and me both,amigo,but,the criminal mind is-CRAZY-the thought process. The smart ones who've been to prison chose to walk the straight and narrow ( thus staying outta jail )
I despise modern slang and brain rot phrases, but I shamelessly admit that I say "...but I guess I'm just built different" constantly for things that it can't possibly apply to. "Yeah, can I get ten dollars on pump 3 and a Red Bull? I guess I'm just built different." It's become an addiction of watching peoples' faces when they try to comprehend what I said. You have to try it. It's one of the funniest things I've ever seen.
These old school police stories are my favorite because they highlight points in counter crime evolution. During this time you have police officers from WW2, Korea, and Vietnam using their experience. They may not have had the armament of today's force but, were far from pushovers.
Also interesting that it’s not only the police but the criminals often have military experience from these wars like in Britain in the years after ww2 there was a huge surge in armed robbery because of soldiers who served in the war not being able to get work and putting the skills they learnt to use
@@mrpink9434 This is true. There was a relatively famous shootout I saw covered on TV years back involving a gang member that joined the Marines and served his 4 years before returning to the streets with improved tactics.
@@mrpink9434100% and the Phoenix Program in the Vietnam war was responsible for a lot of the violent crimes in the united states spanning over the 1970s/80s
When I was in the academy for a SoCal agency 14 years ago, we went over this shooting and the training failures. Pretty much every cop in SoCal knows about this case. Very sad.
At first I thought this was going to include a slightly distant relative of mine. Then I remembered he was a Sheriff's deputy and was solo. Similar circumstances and the same era and state though. Crazy. I've met the old men in my family who were combat veterans, other older slightly distant realitives and yet a man who would be probably in his seventies and never served in the military is the one who left behind a grieving widow. I feel for the families of these fallen lawmen.
This is the only channel I have notifications activated and ive been here since the beginning. Make no mistake this man is the GOAT of video sountracks. And im not even gonna start on the quality of the videos and content. Hats off my man. You will be bigger than you ever dreamed of.
I've been taught about this shooting at a defensive firearms class. The most chilling party for me was finding the recovered brass in their pockets and that they still had live rounds available.
That's a myth, there were no spent casings in their pocket. It was repeated over and over again to sell police forces on the idea of SWAT Teams, and that's why everyone thinks it happened.
In the 70s and 80s, before debit cards, you'd get a bigger haul from a major grocery store on a Sunday night than you would from a bank on a random weekday.
@scootysweets debit cards were almost exclusively used for ATM transactions in their early days. Up until the mid to late 80s most people still paid for groceries with cash or a check.
I worked at a bagger at Dominicks Grocery store in the 70's. Lot's of people paid cash. We got held up one night. I was sweeping the floor & I walked 2 feet from the guy. Had a gun on the woman at the courtesy booth $$. I was a kid and never knew it. LOL.
My wife used to work for a bank. People would be very surprised at how little cash they have on hand at any given time. The tellers keep as little as possible in their drawer. She was the vault teller at one branch she worked at. I was in the USCG at that time. We had more cash in our safe on the ship I was on than she had in her vault. Holding up a bank is pretty much a waste of time. But then, your average crook doesn't use logic and reason.
I grew up in Santa Clarita where the newhall incident took place and actually met Gary Kness when he made an appearance for a ceremony commemorating the 39th Anniversary of the Newhall Incident in 2009
There is a rumor that the rangemaster insisted that brass must be picked up between firing sequences. One will revert to how one trains under stress... Its still a rumor that spent brass was found in the officers pockets. Tragic.
Than you for making this video, I've been hoping that you would for some time now. My grandfather was Richard Robinson, one of the CHP in the third squad that had arrived.
@@ThePursuitofHappiness1988 "Newhall". A documentary produced by the CHP and the CA DoJ. You can find it on the "Behind the Badge" channel. The car was purchased under an assumed name at Car Town USA, which was an LA car dealership. Although not mentioned you can read Catalina on the deck lid.
Your timing is impeccable. I just watched Paul Harrel's video on statistics and he cited the The Newhall Shooting as one of the most important events to be aware of alongside Miami Dade.
DUDE!!!!! thank you soooooo much for this video! I attended a Massad Ayoob course last summer and he talked about this event and some of the lessons learned and changes it brought about it training and tactics. This video was a perfect complement to the topics we discussed.
@@jimsworthow531 I don’t see what you mean about hiring standards. I don’t think hiring standards is a lesson paid for in blood or cash. Just shows that police departments are getting more desperate for bodies because being a cop is currently not a glamorous job in our society. Nothing you can change about it. Just gotta coach our children to respect police and to hold them accountable for their actions and to a higher standard because it’s a difficult job.
Thanks for reviewing this incident, many younger folks have never heard of it and don’t understand how the Newhall incident, like the 1986 FBI Miami incident, were critical in evolving tactics. RIP to the officers lost that day.
A Polara Pursuit was clocked at 150 MPH at the Chrysler test tract. A and B body Chryslers were arguably the best police cars ever made. At the time they offered the best balance of cost, performance, and reliability.
AMC made some Javelin's for highway pursuit that went 160- 165 MPH. They were not quick to accelerate at lower speeds which is why so few were used, but they're legendary in Alabama.
@@P_RO_ They were all limited to 15 minutes at full throttle. Anyone who rebuilds a 401 for their Javelin Classic car does the oil drain back mods that solve the problem.
Bro I was just watching some old Paul Harrel videos, may he rest in peace, but he was talking about this incident and I was looking for your run down, and here it freaking is. 10/10 as always bro. Stay safe out there g.
When I was a cadet at the CHP academy, it was a special class you attended and watched video and they showed images of the officers bodies. No mention of brass in pockets, this was the reason they standardized weapons as well, they were all using different sidearms and they were not trained for each type.
That's dumb. They were using all DA/SA revolvers, it's not hard to operate revolvers regardless of manufacture. Same with pump shotguns. It's not like they had wildly different or exotic guns
@@jordanhicks5131 You can't reload your your .38 with your buddy's .357 ammo. A Smith and Wesson cylinder release works the opposite of a Colt cylinder release. Colt and S&W speed loaders are not cross-compatible. If you're used to a Mossberg tang safety you might have trouble working a High Standard cross-bolt safety; if you're used to a High Standard cross-bolt safety you might have trouble working a Smith and Wesson cross-bolt safety because they're mounted in different places. You might have even more fun figuring out these subtle differences after watching a buddy or two get gunned down while also getting shot at yourself. The operations are similar, but "similar" is not "same."
@thadrobinson8343 I get what you are saying but I have all the brands you are talking about and it doesn't take much to figure them out. The one point you have is 357 into a 38 but from what I have learned from officers and paperwork is that they didn't issue magnum ammo. So an officer might have 6 rounds of magnum ammo loaded but his dump pouch would be 38's
They were pretty much the police standard everywhere back then. Great stopping power up close, but only hits count and that's what mainly went wrong here and in Miami too.
@@yououitme3690Well, automatic weapons historically has been used to describe both fully automatic and semi automatic. While our modern ears hear automatic, we assume “fully” back in the 70s and 80s it was common for people to refer to 1911s as automatic pistols. As revolvers were still the common carry pistols. So the “Fudds” will tend to call the semi automatic weapons automatic, and the fully automatic weapons as machine guns. God I feel old now.
@@yououitme3690 you must not have listened to the narration where it specifically states that CHP was fielding shotguns to deal with the threat of automatic weapons.
This was also one of the reasons the CHP began using speedloaders for their revolvers. At the time of the shooting the officers had to reload their weapons one round at a time.
@AlbandAquino Well, then you’re listening to propaganda. California is a master at that, given it runs Hollywood. The Night City zone of California is dangerous as hell. It’s literally the armpit of America. And those who live in rural California are dehydrating. The policies of that state are terrible. I’m actually surprised you haven’t heard of the hell that California is. It literally has some of the worst reputations in America.
@AlbandAquino TH-cam, being a California based company, just deleted my reply to you being specific about California’s woes. That should be enough of an explanation to you.
I live right down the road from where this happened. My family has lived in the area since the 1930's when Mainstreet Newhall was the only place that looked like civilization. My dad was in high school when this happened at Hart high. I remember he would tell me about this every now and again when we drove by the sight. Coincidently my grandmother would go on to remarry and it would be the Chief of LAPD at this time Chief Ed Davis. My grandmother was called Bobbie, so she became Bobbie Davis.
I’m a Vegas native but somehow I’ve known about this since the early 80’s. We used to subscribe to the CHP magazine so I think that’s how. I know it happened at what became Magic Mountain Pkwy, as the area grew so did the freeway interchange with MM Pkwy. In May of 2023 we took our two teenage girls to Magic Mountain for the long weekend and we stayed at the Best Western, which is on the same property as the Denny’s, which would be a couple hundred feet ahead of where the Newhall Incident occurred. Let me tell you, our hotel room was haunted as F. We could feel and see something sitting on our beds. My wife and I were hit and poked while laying down. Items would slide off the table or fly across the room, creaking footsteps across the floor. My kiddos were freaked out. I don’t know if it has any relevance to the shootout but it is extremely coincidental to say the least.
I know now you’re from California since you called interstate 5 “The 5 freeway” I was born there so my whole family does the same thing lol. Huge fan of the channel man always gets me so hyped the music and production is professional. Keep up the good work!
Dude, you knocked another one out of the park. Good work man. You should think about covering either the Lunsford or Coates murder. They were some of the first ones caught on video that we used for training.
I conducted a great amount of research and studies (especially on CA since I grew up here) while working on my criminal justice degree. I would say much of the issues we’re seeing today in the SF Bay Area are indirectly caused by the discriminatory mortgage lending practice known as redlining from the 1930s. It was targeted towards minorities and people of lower socioeconomic status. Basically lenders would draw red lines on a map to indicate which areas they would not allow those groups of people to get approved for home loans whether they could afford it not. It was mainly the low income areas that were within those loans. The idea was that allowing minorities and less affluent people to get approved for loans in “nicer” areas would cause property values to decline. I could go on and on but long story short, redlining is one of the primary reasons.
Like a former SASR operator told me when I went into a uniform job, cover and concealment gets you only time to grab initiative. Their motto "Who Dares Wins" carries weight.
I went the police academy in 2005. This incident is still being taught. Also, read the book “The Newhall Incident” by retired Deputy Chief CHP, and former Sheriff of Madera County,John Anderson. Explains so much more. Sheriff Anderson told me he waited until the officer’s children were adults, before publishing the book.
Another banger video man, been watching you since the RK video. Also love the use of Whitebat in this video, compliments it extremely well. Keep up the good work!
I drove by a Marine today in my new car. They had a service plate. I saluted them as I drove by - because even as a civilian I have no choice but to say ' Semper Fi ' . Much respect for Ness and all Marines out there.
Excellent video. I learned things about this incident that other Newhall Incident videos didn’t mention. Like all the previous 211s and crimes these two killers committed. The recorded phone call with Twinning was chilling. He was talking about doing himself and the negotiator he was talking to said, there hasn’t been any executions in a long time. Then Twinning said, nobody’s killed 4 Highway Patrolmen in a long time either! Wow, that was intense! One thing though, the car was a Grand Prix not a GTO
There is a more dramatic training film of this incident. I think it was made in the late 70's. One of the bad guys was played by Van Williams who played the Green Hornet in the 60's. He became a L. A. county Reserved deputy.
Just something to add, in police academy our range master told us that some of the officers had spent cases in their pockets, and it’s believed that it’s because of a habit from training where they would unload the empties from their revolvers into their hand and put them in their pocket as to not have to pick them up at the end. Because of this we always had to let our magazines drop to the ground when empty was his point.
I never knew that that's the reason they drop empty mags, but it makes perfect sense. It's not as if you're going to stop and feed new rounds into it, so it serves no further purpose in the fight.
The "brass in pockets" myth just won't die. Read the Police One article on this topic. No report from the time mentioned anything about brass being found in the pockets of the officers.
Telling the tacticool community to stop believing in myths and look at facts is almost as hard as convincing political idealogues, so dont worry about it.
This somewhat flawed on several points, the CHP video is like 40 minutes and the official case study for them. It is dated as it was made in 70s but it is on TH-cam.
I left this suggestion in a community post you made a few years ago but with Christmas coming up I just want to suggest it again. A dramatized version of Jim Carrey’s How The Grinch Stole Christmas. Instead of the heartfelt story where he feels bad and gives the presents back, theres a massive shootout where they have to storm the mountain and get the presents back with force.
I’ve never stolen a vehicle and don’t plan to, but if I did I’d probably be careful not to pull illegal maneuvers in it or brandish a firearm. That’s just me, though 🤷♂️
In the academy, I was taught about the brass in pocket detail as if it were fact. I later learned it was a myth but as a defensive firearms instructor, I repeat the myth to my students because true or not, it serves as a vivid example of the importance of instilling proper muscle memory.
Almost correct, Pence and Alleyn were enroute not staging nearby, Frago and Gore didn't wait on the assisting units. A third unit 78-16R with officers Holmes and Robinson came flying into the parking lot as the suspects were entering their car. Robinson got one round off out the window of the moving patrol car from his revolver while still seated in the passenger seat. LASD deputies didn't arrive on scene for approximately 10 more minutes. Had Frago and Gore waited they would have had a 6 on 2 situation, but this wasn't training at the time. There was no air support available that night, Davis was found at an LASD roadblock as the sun was coming up with his kidnap victim in the camper he carjacked after finding the victim camping in the area. Twinning initially home invaded a family but either lost his attention and they fled or he let them go determined to make a last stand. Only killed himself when LASD SEB (SWAT) fired gas into the house. Perhaps the biggest error here not mentioned was the culture of CHP at the time. It was state policy there were paper seals on the chambers of their issued. 12 gauge shotguns and refusal to equip officerswith speedy loaders, as they wre deemed "too aggressive looking " on troopers belts. Instead, officers had to rely on decades old technology of dump pouches, which probably cost Pence his life as he had just finished putting the last live round into his revolver while suffering from multiple hits, he just closed the cylinder ready to continue the fight when he was murdered. If the seal was broken on the shotgun, the officer had to write a memo as to why he chambered a round. This led to a culture of disdain for the shotgun and officers becoming unfamiliar with them. This is why in the heat of battle, Alleyn ejected a live round that may have made the difference that night. The paper seals were discarded after this and speedy loaders were finally issued. Unfortunately, history is about to repeat itself in Kommifornia. With Newscum signing SB 2, it is now MANDATORY every officer in any agency, document and report each time they point their firearm at a person - PFP : POINTING FIREARM at PERSON. This is done so the "activists" will have data based solely on race and for use in future lawsuits. The practical effect will be officers hesitating to draw regardless of the threats and indicators, resulting in another Newhall. It is coming.
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"Honey, can you read the kids a story and put them to bed?
"Sure, dear"
*Monday, April 6th. 1970...*
Anyone who’d tell these stories to kids would be like the coolest dad (or mom even, assuming she has a sense of fun) to exist- maybe ever.
😂😂
@@ContentEnjoyer-gm3kymy son is only 2 I'mma wait two or three years
@tbo666 That sound lit. I mean, Right, let them develop a taste for crazy stories yknow? They won’t appreciate a lot of detail when their little brains can’t comprehend too much. 😂
@@ContentEnjoyer-gm3ky exactly my friend. I want him to like history so the best ways is to tell badass stories about badass people
If I didn't want to ever get caught by the police again, I would simply not go on a crime spree... but I guess I'm just built different.
nah I think you’re part of the majority of the population
You and me both,amigo,but,the criminal mind is-CRAZY-the thought process. The smart ones who've been to prison chose to walk the straight and narrow ( thus staying outta jail )
There are definitely some criminal rationales that are completely counterintuitive to the average person.
@@poindextertunesthats the joke lol
I despise modern slang and brain rot phrases, but I shamelessly admit that I say "...but I guess I'm just built different" constantly for things that it can't possibly apply to.
"Yeah, can I get ten dollars on pump 3 and a Red Bull? I guess I'm just built different." It's become an addiction of watching peoples' faces when they try to comprehend what I said. You have to try it. It's one of the funniest things I've ever seen.
These old school police stories are my favorite because they highlight points in counter crime evolution. During this time you have police officers from WW2, Korea, and Vietnam using their experience. They may not have had the armament of today's force but, were far from pushovers.
Also interesting that it’s not only the police but the criminals often have military experience from these wars like in Britain in the years after ww2 there was a huge surge in armed robbery because of soldiers who served in the war not being able to get work and putting the skills they learnt to use
@@mrpink9434 This is true. There was a relatively famous shootout I saw covered on TV years back involving a gang member that joined the Marines and served his 4 years before returning to the streets with improved tactics.
Cops and criminals are worse now.
And sometimes they were up against veterans turned criminals that fought right along side of them in the war
@@mrpink9434100% and the Phoenix Program in the Vietnam war was responsible for a lot of the violent crimes in the united states spanning over the 1970s/80s
When I was in the academy for a SoCal agency 14 years ago, we went over this shooting and the training failures. Pretty much every cop in SoCal knows about this case. Very sad.
At first I thought this was going to include a slightly distant relative of mine. Then I remembered he was a Sheriff's deputy and was solo. Similar circumstances and the same era and state though. Crazy. I've met the old men in my family who were combat veterans, other older slightly distant realitives and yet a man who would be probably in his seventies and never served in the military is the one who left behind a grieving widow.
I feel for the families of these fallen lawmen.
phucc da po lice
Do You know about the Norco Shootout ??? it will blow Your mind
Same here. I was in the academy around the same time as well.
@notlisted-cl5ls Until they arrest some schizophrenic dude try a clap you.
This is the only channel I have notifications activated and ive been here since the beginning. Make no mistake this man is the GOAT of video sountracks. And im not even gonna start on the quality of the videos and content. Hats off my man. You will be bigger than you ever dreamed of.
The music comes from White Bat Audio. They're a royalty-free music channel here on YT.
I was going to say he uses royalty free music 😂
It's good though
His videos are over-rated. Literally just over-dramatized crap you'd find on History Channel.
@@samholdsworth420 could care less if its a trained chimpanzee down in his basement making the music, its about his choice and taste in music
Me too
I've been taught about this shooting at a defensive firearms class. The most chilling party for me was finding the recovered brass in their pockets and that they still had live rounds available.
That's a myth, there were no spent casings in their pocket. It was repeated over and over again to sell police forces on the idea of SWAT Teams, and that's why everyone thinks it happened.
This is a myth that everyone repeats because they heard it at the academy
I've heard conflicting reports about whether or not the brass in the pocket is a myth.
My instructor raised his voice at me because he thought I was going to do that.
Their brass was dropped to the ground, not deposited into their pockets.
In the 70s and 80s, before debit cards, you'd get a bigger haul from a major grocery store on a Sunday night than you would from a bank on a random weekday.
Who told you cards didnt exist in the 80's? Werent roldex still common place?
It says debit cards were created 1966 but it says they were first introduced 1982… in so confused.
@scootysweets debit cards were almost exclusively used for ATM transactions in their early days. Up until the mid to late 80s most people still paid for groceries with cash or a check.
I worked at a bagger at Dominicks Grocery store in the 70's. Lot's of people paid cash. We got held up one night. I was sweeping the floor & I walked 2 feet from the guy. Had a gun on the woman at the courtesy booth $$. I was a kid and never knew it. LOL.
My wife used to work for a bank. People would be very surprised at how little cash they have on hand at any given time. The tellers keep as little as possible in their drawer. She was the vault teller at one branch she worked at. I was in the USCG at that time. We had more cash in our safe on the ship I was on than she had in her vault. Holding up a bank is pretty much a waste of time. But then, your average crook doesn't use logic and reason.
That Ness guy is a badass.
I grew up in Santa Clarita where the newhall incident took place and actually met Gary Kness when he made an appearance for a ceremony commemorating the 39th Anniversary of the Newhall Incident in 2009
Of course he was. The man was a Marine.
Of course he was.He was a US Marine.
Damn, I just rewatched Harrell's Miami Dade video where he mentioned this shooting. Was wondering how it went down. Sweet
RIP
I think he also has a video on the Newhall shooting too.
The CHP made a movie about this incident. Lookup "Newhall 1970".
Lookup the Norco Shootout !
@@moreparrotsmoredereks2275 I don't remember seeing one...
Paul Harrell covered the Newhall Incident. An excellent, in depth, breakdown. “Don’t spend time picking up your spent revolver brass.”
There is a rumor that the rangemaster insisted that brass must be picked up between firing sequences. One will revert to how one trains under stress... Its still a rumor that spent brass was found in the officers pockets. Tragic.
They didn’t pick them up off the ground. The casings were dumped into their hands and deposited into their pockets.
Like Reid Henrichs says “The lessons we learn today are written on the tombstones of others”
Absolutely
Than you for making this video, I've been hoping that you would for some time now. My grandfather was Richard Robinson, one of the CHP in the third squad that had arrived.
Love you popomedic makes me so happy to see your channel growing
Ily
The car was neither stolen nor a GTO. According to the CHP, it was a Pontiac Catalina legally purchased at an LA car lot.
Where’d you read that?
Correct
@@ThePursuitofHappiness1988 "Newhall". A documentary produced by the CHP and the CA DoJ. You can find it on the "Behind the Badge" channel. The car was purchased under an assumed name at Car Town USA, which was an LA car dealership. Although not mentioned you can read Catalina on the deck lid.
Most likely purchased by stolen money.
Your timing is impeccable. I just watched Paul Harrel's video on statistics and he cited the The Newhall Shooting as one of the most important events to be aware of alongside Miami Dade.
Love your storytelling on these heavy cases.
"TH-cam has been a little Moody lately". My friend your comment is absolutely accurate!!
Lately?
YT run by Globalist shills
I’m here after Paul Harrell’s reading recommendations. Well crafted video as always
Babe wake up, Popo medic dropped another banger!
DUDE!!!!! thank you soooooo much for this video! I attended a Massad Ayoob course last summer and he talked about this event and some of the lessons learned and changes it brought about it training and tactics. This video was a perfect complement to the topics we discussed.
All lessons in law enforcement are either paid for in cash or blood.
including hiring standards?
@@jimsworthow531 I don’t see what you mean about hiring standards. I don’t think hiring standards is a lesson paid for in blood or cash. Just shows that police departments are getting more desperate for bodies because being a cop is currently not a glamorous job in our society. Nothing you can change about it. Just gotta coach our children to respect police and to hold them accountable for their actions and to a higher standard because it’s a difficult job.
@@samthebeefor ya know privatize it.
@gamingforever9121 lmao if a company tries to arrest me theyll be burying their employees 😂
@@ST4X-0N-ST4X as opposed to what the state? You honestly think they’re any better?
Do the Lakewood Police Dept. next. 4 officers killed in ambush in 2009.
Yes, I agree!
concur, although it may be deemed not cool enough or there may not be enough on the webs to work with..
Thanks for reviewing this incident, many younger folks have never heard of it and don’t understand how the Newhall incident, like the 1986 FBI Miami incident, were critical in evolving tactics. RIP to the officers lost that day.
A Polara Pursuit was clocked at 150 MPH at the Chrysler test tract. A and B body Chryslers were arguably the best police cars ever made. At the time they offered the best balance of cost, performance, and reliability.
AMC made some Javelin's for highway pursuit that went 160- 165 MPH. They were not quick to accelerate at lower speeds which is why so few were used, but they're legendary in Alabama.
@P_RO_ I believe that Arkansas used them as well. Those really weren't police cars though. They were what would be known as "Traffic Interceptor".
@@P_RO_ They were all limited to 15 minutes at full throttle. Anyone who rebuilds a 401 for their Javelin Classic car does the oil drain back mods that solve the problem.
The soundtracks you use for your videos make it feel like I'm watching an action movie. Excellent video
Bro I was just watching some old Paul Harrel videos, may he rest in peace, but he was talking about this incident and I was looking for your run down, and here it freaking is. 10/10 as always bro. Stay safe out there g.
Lunch break at work and there's a BRAND NEW Popo Medic video? It's a good day! Thank you for the content; I truly love your storytelling.
I suggested this one a long time ago glad you finally covered it
When I was a cadet at the CHP academy, it was a special class you attended and watched video and they showed images of the officers bodies. No mention of brass in pockets, this was the reason they standardized weapons as well, they were all using different sidearms and they were not trained for each type.
That's dumb. They were using all DA/SA revolvers, it's not hard to operate revolvers regardless of manufacture. Same with pump shotguns. It's not like they had wildly different or exotic guns
@@jordanhicks5131 You can't reload your your .38 with your buddy's .357 ammo. A Smith and Wesson cylinder release works the opposite of a Colt cylinder release. Colt and S&W speed loaders are not cross-compatible. If you're used to a Mossberg tang safety you might have trouble working a High Standard cross-bolt safety; if you're used to a High Standard cross-bolt safety you might have trouble working a Smith and Wesson cross-bolt safety because they're mounted in different places. You might have even more fun figuring out these subtle differences after watching a buddy or two get gunned down while also getting shot at yourself. The operations are similar, but "similar" is not "same."
@thadrobinson8343 I get what you are saying but I have all the brands you are talking about and it doesn't take much to figure them out.
The one point you have is 357 into a 38 but from what I have learned from officers and paperwork is that they didn't issue magnum ammo. So an officer might have 6 rounds of magnum ammo loaded but his dump pouch would be 38's
@@jordanhicks5131Yes it wouldn’t take long. However, “not long” is too long in a gunfight, where milliseconds-not seconds-matter.
@@jordanhicks5131 Just stop. Your ignorance hurts me thru the web.
It's crazy to me that CHP's response to automatic weapons was shotguns. 2:05 to 2:20 for anyone who didn't hear the narration the first time.
They were pretty much the police standard everywhere back then. Great stopping power up close, but only hits count and that's what mainly went wrong here and in Miami too.
its crazy to me you don't know the difference between automatic and semi automatic but here you are commenting this instead of educating yourself.
@@yououitme3690Well, automatic weapons historically has been used to describe both fully automatic and semi automatic.
While our modern ears hear automatic, we assume “fully” back in the 70s and 80s it was common for people to refer to 1911s as automatic pistols. As revolvers were still the common carry pistols.
So the “Fudds” will tend to call the semi automatic weapons automatic, and the fully automatic weapons as machine guns.
God I feel old now.
It wasn't until the North Hollywood Shootout in '97 that it became the new standard for patrol officers to carry more than a side arm and shotgun.
@@yououitme3690 you must not have listened to the narration where it specifically states that CHP was fielding shotguns to deal with the threat of automatic weapons.
This was also one of the reasons the CHP began using speedloaders for their revolvers. At the time of the shooting the officers had to reload their weapons one round at a time.
That’s incredible. I still see security guards in South America using this method.
speedstrips in a dump pouch
only getting life in prison for 4 murders is crazy
California 😂
Man those Poleras are so iconic
“But he retrieved another 1911” how many do you have on you at once bruh lmfao
And to think, California somehow only got worse.
@AlbandAquino Well, then you’re listening to propaganda. California is a master at that, given it runs Hollywood. The Night City zone of California is dangerous as hell. It’s literally the armpit of America. And those who live in rural California are dehydrating. The policies of that state are terrible. I’m actually surprised you haven’t heard of the hell that California is. It literally has some of the worst reputations in America.
@@AlbandAquinonah he’s right California DID only get worse.
@AlbandAquino TH-cam, being a California based company, just deleted my reply to you being specific about California’s woes. That should be enough of an explanation to you.
@@AlbandAquinoThanks for making CA worse.
@@AlbandAquinowith that mental pfp ofc ur brain cannot comprehend how bad Cali got
I live right down the road from where this happened. My family has lived in the area since the 1930's when Mainstreet Newhall was the only place that looked like civilization. My dad was in high school when this happened at Hart high. I remember he would tell me about this every now and again when we drove by the sight. Coincidently my grandmother would go on to remarry and it would be the Chief of LAPD at this time Chief Ed Davis. My grandmother was called Bobbie, so she became Bobbie Davis.
I’m a Vegas native but somehow I’ve known about this since the early 80’s. We used to subscribe to the CHP magazine so I think that’s how. I know it happened at what became Magic Mountain Pkwy, as the area grew so did the freeway interchange with MM Pkwy. In May of 2023 we took our two teenage girls to Magic Mountain for the long weekend and we stayed at the Best Western, which is on the same property as the Denny’s, which would be a couple hundred feet ahead of where the Newhall Incident occurred. Let me tell you, our hotel room was haunted as F. We could feel and see something sitting on our beds. My wife and I were hit and poked while laying down. Items would slide off the table or fly across the room, creaking footsteps across the floor. My kiddos were freaked out. I don’t know if it has any relevance to the shootout but it is extremely coincidental to say the least.
I see Chief Davis recognized at the closing credits on Adam 12.
I know now you’re from California since you called interstate 5 “The 5 freeway” I was born there so my whole family does the same thing lol. Huge fan of the channel man always gets me so hyped the music and production is professional. Keep up the good work!
Dude, you knocked another one out of the park. Good work man. You should think about covering either the Lunsford or Coates murder. They were some of the first ones caught on video that we used for training.
Your production quality has skyrocketed over the last year or so! Keep up the great work 👍
Why does it seem like Oakland has been crime-ridden since the very beginning of its start as a city?
Well it’s never been a crime-free place.
I conducted a great amount of research and studies (especially on CA since I grew up here) while working on my criminal justice degree. I would say much of the issues we’re seeing today in the SF Bay Area are indirectly caused by the discriminatory mortgage lending practice known as redlining from the 1930s. It was targeted towards minorities and people of lower socioeconomic status. Basically lenders would draw red lines on a map to indicate which areas they would not allow those groups of people to get approved for home loans whether they could afford it not. It was mainly the low income areas that were within those loans. The idea was that allowing minorities and less affluent people to get approved for loans in “nicer” areas would cause property values to decline.
I could go on and on but long story short, redlining is one of the primary reasons.
Because it has
Oakland has been a crime ridden city since the 80s at least
Like a former SASR operator told me when I went into a uniform job, cover and concealment gets you only time to grab initiative. Their motto "Who Dares Wins" carries weight.
Your story telling is next level love these mini documentaries
We studied this in-depth in my Sheriff's Academy back in the '80's
Wild, I was just looking into this case 2 days ago. Confirmed Popo Medic lives in my brain.
Hahaha same I grew up in Newhall
Hivemind 🐝
one correction to the video...there are no "former" Marines...
Dude your editing skills are some of the best on TH-cam! Keep this up!!!
I went the police academy in 2005. This incident is still being taught.
Also, read the book “The Newhall Incident” by retired Deputy Chief CHP, and former Sheriff of Madera County,John Anderson. Explains so much more. Sheriff Anderson told me he waited until the officer’s children were adults, before publishing the book.
They clearly called lester
Another banger, keep em coming!
Your research, editing, and delivery are excellent
Popo i love this channel man . These mini docs are masterpieces!
I was just randomly catching up on your last 10 videos and suddenly there’s a new one! Love the work the production is incredible
great story telling, editing and music. another banger!
You should do one on the 2014 Sacramento Mass Shooting - 2 LEO dead, multiple civilians wounded, and more
Thanks to you I have been an encyclopedia for tragedies
Another banger video man, been watching you since the RK video.
Also love the use of Whitebat in this video, compliments it extremely well. Keep up the good work!
Love your mini-docs so much man! Keep em coming!
I drove by a Marine today in my new car. They had a service plate. I saluted them as I drove by - because even as a civilian I have no choice but to say ' Semper Fi ' . Much respect for Ness and all Marines out there.
cringe
Lee Harvey Oswald was a Marine.
@@ColtTheWolf That's really cringeworthy indeed.
Excellent video. I learned things about this incident that other Newhall Incident videos didn’t mention. Like all the previous 211s and crimes these two killers committed. The recorded phone call with Twinning was chilling. He was talking about doing himself and the negotiator he was talking to said, there hasn’t been any executions in a long time. Then Twinning said, nobody’s killed 4 Highway Patrolmen in a long time either! Wow, that was intense! One thing though, the car was a Grand Prix not a GTO
Popomedic, are u a chef? Because this is Michelin level chefs kiss bro
Haha I actually do a lot of cooking irl 😂 post it on my IG every Sunday
Love these amazing documentaries. Keep it up!!
another banger. appreciate you big dawg
Another banger of a video 🙌
Bro Popo Medic is LIT today.
There is a more dramatic training film of this incident. I think it was made in the late 70's. One of the bad guys was played by Van Williams who played the Green Hornet in the 60's. He became a L. A. county Reserved deputy.
You're editing and narration is really good
"It was an Oakland SafeWay . . ."
Made me spit out my sketti 🤣🤣🤣🤣amazing video Popo!!!
Just something to add, in police academy our range master told us that some of the officers had spent cases in their pockets, and it’s believed that it’s because of a habit from training where they would unload the empties from their revolvers into their hand and put them in their pocket as to not have to pick them up at the end. Because of this we always had to let our magazines drop to the ground when empty was his point.
I never knew that that's the reason they drop empty mags, but it makes perfect sense. It's not as if you're going to stop and feed new rounds into it, so it serves no further purpose in the fight.
@@Dwigt_Rortugal Yeah last thing you want is to accidentally load a mag you already emptied
Except the whole shells I'm the pockets thing was a myth and didn't happen.
Excellent video as always! I’ve been wanting this video to drop for a while. It was worth the wait and it did not disappoint!!!
How is this channel not over a million subs yet?!?
1911 jamming!?! That never happens . . . Lol
Love your production finesse Popo you are at the top of your game sir .
Dude plz make content more often. You have a winning model. I wanna be able to see a video of yours a week and see your channel blow up to millions.
Love these short docs that you do! Keep it up!!
This incident also brought forward the need for speed loaders
Frago getting assist points while making his way to Heaven must've been so confusing for him
The "brass in pockets" myth just won't die. Read the Police One article on this topic. No report from the time mentioned anything about brass being found in the pockets of the officers.
Telling the tacticool community to stop believing in myths and look at facts is almost as hard as convincing political idealogues, so dont worry about it.
Hands down one of the best channels here. Anyone else like the videos before you are even 10 seconds in
“Professional bank robbers” I wasn’t aware that is an occupation 😂
These stories never disappoint! Definitely looking forward to more content Popo Medic!!🔥🔥
Im from SCV (Where this happened) and never knew about any of this. This is wild.
Popo uploads a video: my day just got so much better
SOMEONE FINALLY MAKES A VIDEO ABOUT THIS
This somewhat flawed on several points, the CHP video is like 40 minutes and the official case study for them. It is dated as it was made in 70s but it is on TH-cam.
search for the Norco Shootout
Paul harrell. Rip to one of the greatest ever, touches upon this in his video about the miami dade shootout. Def worth a watch. Rip paul.
Hope u can find a better mood popo
You know it's going to be a good day when Popo medic upload
I left this suggestion in a community post you made a few years ago but with Christmas coming up I just want to suggest it again. A dramatized version of Jim Carrey’s How The Grinch Stole Christmas. Instead of the heartfelt story where he feels bad and gives the presents back, theres a massive shootout where they have to storm the mountain and get the presents back with force.
Popo medic you know how to pick a good background music and make great content love your content
Thank you for remembering these four officers and their sacrifices.🙏
That intro music was banging 😮
"but.. it was an oakland safeway " 😂😂😂 fr tho
I’ve never stolen a vehicle and don’t plan to, but if I did I’d probably be careful not to pull illegal maneuvers in it or brandish a firearm. That’s just me, though 🤷♂️
This is a case of how some policies are written by blood
The *_GOAT_* of crime documentaries is bacc!
wow I grew up in Sylmar and never hear of that story what a wild story thank you for sharing brother
In the academy, I was taught about the brass in pocket detail as if it were fact. I later learned it was a myth but as a defensive firearms instructor, I repeat the myth to my students because true or not, it serves as a vivid example of the importance of instilling proper muscle memory.
Amazing video!
"New safety measures" meanwhile our cops are still patrolling without a partner lol
When a new Popo Medic video hits, I immediately stop what im doing and watch it. 😂
Almost correct, Pence and Alleyn were enroute not staging nearby, Frago and Gore didn't wait on the assisting units. A third unit 78-16R with officers Holmes and Robinson came flying into the parking lot as the suspects were entering their car. Robinson got one round off out the window of the moving patrol car from his revolver while still seated in the passenger seat. LASD deputies didn't arrive on scene for approximately 10 more minutes. Had Frago and Gore waited they would have had a 6 on 2 situation, but this wasn't training at the time.
There was no air support available that night, Davis was found at an LASD roadblock as the sun was coming up with his kidnap victim in the camper he carjacked after finding the victim camping in the area. Twinning initially home invaded a family but either lost his attention and they fled or he let them go determined to make a last stand. Only killed himself when LASD SEB (SWAT) fired gas into the house.
Perhaps the biggest error here not mentioned was the culture of CHP at the time. It was state policy there were paper seals on the chambers of their issued. 12 gauge shotguns and refusal to equip officerswith speedy loaders, as they wre deemed "too aggressive looking " on troopers belts. Instead, officers had to rely on decades old technology of dump pouches, which probably cost Pence his life as he had just finished putting the last live round into his revolver while suffering from multiple hits, he just closed the cylinder ready to continue the fight when he was murdered.
If the seal was broken on the shotgun, the officer had to write a memo as to why he chambered a round. This led to a culture of disdain for the shotgun and officers becoming unfamiliar with them. This is why in the heat of battle, Alleyn ejected a live round that may have made the difference that night. The paper seals were discarded after this and speedy loaders were finally issued.
Unfortunately, history is about to repeat itself in Kommifornia.
With Newscum signing SB 2, it is now MANDATORY every officer in any agency, document and report each time they point their firearm at a person - PFP : POINTING FIREARM at PERSON. This is done so the "activists" will have data based solely on race and for use in future lawsuits. The practical effect will be officers hesitating to draw regardless of the threats and indicators, resulting in another Newhall. It is coming.