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Jontron: "Wealthy blacks commit more crime than poor whites. Look it up." ... *Seconds later* ... Destiny: "Black people generally receive harsher prison sentences than whites" Jontron: "That's ridiculous"
black people generally receive harsher sentences because they are repeat offenders more on average + resist arrest and what not. do you think they get "good behavior" while inside? I think not. its a deceptive statistic, kinda like women being paid less.
As a gay man, I genuinely enjoy a good cheek clapping here and there, but jontron has shown me I have not been getting clapped up right. This is how you get bent over.
entirety of the alt right does exactly everything they hate. they're the most easy to trigger too, yet they throw that word around all the time as if they're the ones with iron skin.
It would take you 5 seconds to find out that Anti Irish Sentiment is a historical fact and persisted well into the 1950s and 60s. Jontron is killing my braincells here bro
@@ludvighauger5044 I think with a lot of expats living in Japan go away with this notion, they start really happy and enjoying it but after a bit the politeness seems fake and then you notice people staring at you and alot of the time people start to hate living there because they fell like an outcast. Your experience mat be completely different but if this is what you experienced then dont think its because the people didn't like you, it's part of the culture to be almost robotic while working and many of them are still surprised to see a foreigner but dont get the wrong impression.
@@kermitmurder5536 There's racism in Japan since they aren't used to seeing people who aren't Japanese. In the USA, it's due to explicit hatred of minority ethnic groups and the history of slavery and segregation. I can't think of any Japanese equivalents to the KKK or any racial supremacy recent riots in Japan similar to Charlottesville
@@gottablast918 i wasn't a full on nazi or anything, but I bought basically all of jons talking points, which I understand now the only thing underlying his talking points is a racist attitude towards brown people.
So let me get this straight, 5 years ago you weren't aware that you were racist? Racism has always had a pretty definitive definition: believing one race is superior to another. The basic rule of thumb is just treat everyone you meet as equal, you weren't doing that up until a few weeks ago?
@@Roflcrabs just treating people you meet as equals isn't the entirety of racism. The idea that immigrants are criminals is racist. I didn't think that Mexican people were worse than white Americans, and I'd probably treat a Mexican person or a white American the same if I met them. But the question is, where does the idea that Mexican immigrants are criminals come from? It certainly doesn't come from statistics. It's an idea that stems from racism.
This was a long time ago. Nothing he's said or done since has supported the argument that he currently believes any of the nonsense he spouted on this stream. Why does it still matter?
@@shaddaboop7998 He very explicity tweeted pro-trump sentiments and made an anti-vax video full of either out-dated or blatantly incorrect information. He also never apologized for these takes and said he disagrees with them based on how horrendeous they are. He should not still be allowed on youtube.
@@Illumirage Are you going to go with one of those literalist "the nazis were like 70 years ago bro" arguments, or are you just being pedantic? Fine, i'll be less literal. Johntron was called out for saying questionable shit, and it turns the questionable shit was way more extreme than I thought
@@carrier2823 I don't believe in either of those. Just don't like being told I'm about to disappear is all. Nobody would want that. Look at you attempting to ridicule me for an innate human instinct. I'm half expecting you to start attacking me for blinking next....
@@passionofthecrust9173 _"Are you going to go with one of those literalist the nazis were like 70 years ago bro arguments, or are you just being pedantic?"_ That's not where I was going but I don't necessarily disagree with that. Because my grandfather fought them, ACTUAL not sees, not these average everyday conservatives you consider to be them now. The amt. of real not sees in America couldn't even fill a middle school gymnasium. _"Fine, i'll be less literal. Johntron was called out for saying questionable shit, and it turns the questionable shit was way more extreme than I thought"_ I don't know that it really was. He wasn't eloquent, but a lot of this core concepts aren't really that off.... This just feels like typical liberal gaslighting, pretend everyone's on your side when most people aren't.
I’m Mexican, John saying “Mexicans are gonna rape and commit crimes” is just, wild. I immigrated here with my mom, I graduated Highschool, made it though collage, and currently looking for a job. I can’t name a single illegal thing I’ve done, my white friends are a whole different story
While I agree that America and Europe are completely different (Europe is not culturally homogeneous in the first place), you don't have to physically visit Europe to understand that. You just have to open the fucking history books :/ And read them. Probably not the ones made by the kind of people that think that the States are the center of the damn universe and that everyone else lives in 3rd country shitholes.
It still amazes me how everyone seems to forget the part where JonTron says, out loud, in the middle of the debate, “I believe race effects culture” - and then minutes later doesn’t wanna get into why black people in America commit a disproportionate amount of crime, getting uncomfortable and arguing Destiny is trying to “trap” him. Very, VERY telling.
@@penjamin1479 Racism in of itself isn't even a bad term, you could be racist by just acknowledging the fact that race exists and there are fundamental differences between a black/asian/white person.
How ironic that you could take the clip of him talking about race and edit in "I don't like where this is going..." And it would be completely on point and relatable.
@@burneraccount8416 i assure you, jontrons issues don't stem from his race and those like him existing is not overrunning the nation (regardless of what he says).
As a fan of jontron for years this was like listening to my fun uncle I’ve known my entire life talk about his batshit insane political views for the first time randomly over thanksgiving dinner
@@Illumirage that's odd, why would jontron be correct in stating those like him being born is replacing al white people? As you call it a genocide, what should be done about jontron?
@@loreaver3882 they are. Non ethnic Japanese are legally discriminated against there. Try telling an Okinawan that Japan isn't an ethnostate, I'm sure they'd love it
"You're calling me a racist?" 5 seconds earlier: "What's the bad thing about non-white people legally emigrating here?" "I mean, come on... it's obvious."
@@Illumirage that's strange, as you believe a minority of white people peacefully going to africa makes more white people, ie, replaces non whites, why is it a problem that non whites go to the USA? Isn't that why you believe JonTron is white?
@@regisglass5464 you'll get answers when you start answering questions regis. Not sure why I have to tell you this literally 150 times and you still haven't answered one question.
You took that out of context, jon did not say "no no no" to talking in specifics at all, if you listen to what he said it was "no no no that's not what I'm saying" so he was replying to something else destiny said.
@shankapuppet he doesn't have to.. Destiny explained multiple times that once you get dug into a certain level of conspiracy theory, it can get difficult to refute. He used the example that he probably wouldn't be able to debate the worlds best flat earther, but that it doesnt mean that you're then forced to take flat earth as a legitimate theory. The problem is that Ryan Faulks positions are so unfounded by modern consensus on iQ that it is almost parallel to the flat earth theory(it is). Besides, destiny did a pretty good job, so I don't know why you're gloating. I think it's pretty insane that people like you legitimately expect mainstream academia to look at these fake ass secluded websites(like the alt hype) and take it seriously. These websites are created to validate the world views of people like you. These ideas should've been extinct a long time ago.. evolve like the rest of us! I don't know why you race realist attack Destiny for debating "low hanging fruit" and claim that he should "talk to the experts," when arguably, you could say the exact same to Ryan Faulk and fucking Sean Last. You'll never see the day when Ryan Faulk, or any of those other little fuckers on that propagandist web page, reach out and debate turkhiemer or James Flynn. Why do you think that is though? It's because they'er pushing for an agenda and a fake image. You can contact Turkhiemer and James Flynn directly; trust that I've don't it before. You won't see nobody on the hereditarian side of the argument do this for a reason.
The fact that jon really used his feelings to deny the irish racism in early america is where everyone should see he is not someone who knows anything about history. He just knows a few talking points that is repeated by others like him. He doesn't understand anything he talks about on a deeper level.
@@RKFCGSBGK go read a history book isnt an argument, in order for any ethnic group of people to mass immigrate in the times before the hellen keller act, that ethnic group had to be recognized as white by state, people might not have liked them but that doesn't mean they couldnt see the obvious racial similarities
Every mass immigration group to America has faced this scrutiny and hostility. First it was the Irish and Eastern Europeans, then the Chinese, and now the Mexicans and Muslims. In most cases, they legally could not become citizens, as in it was quite impossible to. It’s the same story all over again.
DEBATE TIMESTAMPS 0:00 Introduction 3:20 Is America European? 5:09 Identity politics and historic oppression 8:14 People are shaped by their environments 11:31 Who’s responsible for fixing it? 12:53 Japan: a model society? 15:07 JonTron: “When you get condescending…” 17:06 Destiny: “I think it’s a beautiful thing.” 18:07 Are things falling apart? 19:52 Italians and the Irish 22:11 Trump’s racism 23:21 White displacement 31:14 White interests, red vs blue states 35:53 Crime and race 37:57 Does race matter? 38:45 JonTron: “Nobody wants to become a minority in their own country.” 41:14 JonTron: “Immigrants will turn the US into Mexico, live on welfare and commit crimes” 43:12 Immigration and the economy 48:14 More comparisons to Europe 56:30 Back to immigration and the economy 1:01:25 Assimilation and JonTron almost goes max cringe 1:05:06 Black Lives Matter 1:12:27 Back to Europe once again 1:14:24 JonTron: “We’ve gotten rid of discrimination in our western countries.” 1:15:52 Differences in the Middle East 1:17:50 Closing words from JonTron POST-DEBATE 1:18:25 Post-debate and talking to chat 1:20:26 “You should have established the definition of whiteness early on.” 1:22:25 “You should have pressed him on Africa.” 1:22:34 “Why is it bad to have white pride?” 1:23:16 “Do you think JonTron left questioning why he had no answers?” 1:23:43 “Why do black people commit more crime? Do black people not have control of their actions?” 1:25:58 Stefan Molyneux is a sophist. 1:27:34 “He was wrong about poor black people committing more crime.” 1:29:42 “Planned Parenthood conflicts with the South’s religious views.” 1:30:39 Destiny: “I’m not an SJW. Don’t witch-hunt.” 1:31:44 “Where do you stand on Native-American rights?” 1:32:59 “What about immigration from Muslim countries?” 1:33:26 “Would you debate Shoeonhead?” 1:33:58 Pewdiepie 1:34:26 Parroting talking points without being able to back it up, politics shaped by narrow paradigms 1:38:11 JonTron’s use of the terms “virtue signaling” and “identity politics” 1:42:10 Comparing petty crimes to more serious crimes 1:43:19 When JonTron brought up the gene pool LOL 1:43:38 1:45:26 Illegal immigrants paying taxes? 1:44:34 1:46:02 Why Destiny didn’t want go into Europe and Africa 1:49:00 1:56:08 Religious culture vs secularism 1:54:05 Contraception
@sgt. goy Fact... a thing that is known or proved to be true. Fact... something that has actual existence Fact... an actual occurrence Fact... a piece of information presented as having objective reality Fact... the quality of being actual Fact... in truth Fact... something known to exist or to have happened Fact... A fact is a thing that is known to be consistent with objective reality and can be proven to be true with evidence. You my friend are confusing the word fact, for data. When Nick Holland was saying "hears a factual statement", he was saying a statement which was proven to be true. You're stupid so you confused that with data. Data that could or could not be correct. Maybe you should fact check things before you say them. And yes I'm using the word fact in the correct manner. Now that's not to say "facts" can be wrong, that's where data can help us correct incorrect information. Just because there's a census, doesn't mean that something is true. But when Nick was using the word Factual, he was talking about information, backed up by data, and by logic, to come to a conclusion that is almost impossibly true.
@sgt. goy "Maybe learn what words mean" I provided the definition, rather the top few definitions I could find on all the websites, which almost always makes fact synonymous with true. I then provided a counterargument that fact doesnt always mean the same as true. I then added another point that in this case, yes it nick was using the word correctly. We can never be entirely sure of anything, so does that mean nothing is a fact? No, because that would be lame and a waste of a good word lol. Truth is, what we perceive as true changes with time, so so in turn fact also changes. So what is true now is that you're dumb. And hopefully in the future that changes
@sgt. goy I understand that fact and truth dont mean the same thing, and I said that myself, but I also think that based on evidence and logic, fact and truth can get pretty damn close. Such as the laws of physics, or that math is indeed related to science (that was a joke, EVERYONE knows math is not related to science).
@@georgenaron5603 Who cares honestly brass tax here an officer went out of line and wash;t immediately detained because the system works in his favor. Imagine if it didn't go viral. Oh wait we don't have to there are dozens more cases like that, which were only reopened when community leaders used the momentum of the protests to bring awareness. The "but he deserved it" rhetoric is terrible and unlawful. Rules are set in place and we expect those enforcing them to be an example and follow them.
Arin has a tendency to have pretty sketch friends but he definitely manages to dodge bullets well. Johntron regularly using the n-word and ending up a white-nationalist. RubberRoss getting fired for sexual harrassment. Dan being pretty sketchy in his sexual life mainly being redeemed by his regular endorcements of the importance of consent.
“It’s all right to tell a man to lift himself by his own bootstraps, but it is cruel jest to say to a bootless man that he ought to lift himself by his own bootstraps.” -Martin Luther King
it's a fucked up thing to say anyways considering that "pulling yourself up by your bootstraps" is physically impossible and was originally intended to describe something.... physically impossible.
Regis Glass thank you, tbh this video was very hard to follow because the topic kept being shifted. I wish Destiny would’ve wrangled him down, and stopped him from jumping from on thing to the next. I know he did sometimes, especially when he’d try to jump to a whole other country, but I wish he would’ve done it more so the video could be a bit easier to follow
Came here because I saw some people upset about a jontron collab with papa meat, and I knew nothing about him so wanted to go to the source. And holy shit it’s so much worse than I could’ve imagined.
I remember doing something similar back when this debate was new. It felt quite shocking hearing Jon say these things. You did great checking out the source, more people should do that. 😊
I couldn't make it past 50 minutes. Destiny has next level patience for putting up with Jon's constant evading and "I'm right, you're wrong this evidence I can't provide says so"
@@An_Obese_Beaver i liked that you used the phrase "pussy laugh" since it shows exactly what kind of person you are and how old. no wonder you believe in pseudoscience.
@@An_Obese_Beaver what the fuck are you talking about? i fully understand you as a person? you completely made that up. i said that your choice of words show what KIND of person you are. please learn to read properly and don't make up shit. since you said that jontron is "factually checking" somebody, it is safe to say that you believe in the same things that jontron said in this debate. he took numbers from fucking memes and other sketchy sources and pretended like they were the truth. when he was pressed on those numbers, he gave a pseudoscience reasoning for why he believe in them. and by proxy you to do, too. at least you are acknowledging that you have a puny one-sided mind which show that there is still hope for you.
@@Suinlu91 Jontron was literally citing fake facts some dipshit made up and posted on Reddit. I can't believe people still come to watch this video in support of Jontron. I'm here as a revisit of "what did US stupidity sound like 3 years ago?"
@Mac Loud the worst part is that he still watches crowders videos. Goes to show that they dont care about facts as they claim to be. They are based on irrational hatred and thats it
@@Illumirage why should the white population have the right to dictate who get's to come tk the country? Whites aren't the only ones living there. Plus this notion of "tribalism" is directly disproven by Jon himself. It doesn't make sense.
@@Illumirage A part of the population that happens to be the majority have the right to keep that majority with laws and regulations vs. people that immigrate and live here happen to not be white due to no laws or regulation. Nice.
Paraphrasing, but around 51 minutes: JT: “Europeans at the end of the day see themselves as Europeans and they get along”... weird, I feel like I remember like 2 world wars or something, where they didn’t feel that way for a bit...
@@butte5359 with how fast time moves in this day and age yes. Think about it, with the news cycle and how fast everything happens even the Covington kids debacle seems like a long time ago. What about the Penn state scandals? Seems likes ages ago. So yeah, I would posit that was a long, long time ago. No, I've been studying WW2 for quite a long, long time. I forgot how condescending you were..... jeez......
@@Illumirage There has been a ton of things happening the recent years that's for sure, but that does not change how short time ago the world wars were. There are even people alive who were alive during the second world war. I doubt a person who thinks the world wars were "ancient history" has studied them at all.
Butte great scene from The Sopranos: Tony and his gang are grumbling about protests on Columbus Day because of Columbus’ legacy, declaring it anti-Italian and anti-American. And then Furio, the hitman who is actually from Italy, spits at the very name. Because to him Columbus represents the disparity between the north and south of Italy and a reminder of how the south is treated. And Tony and the other monsters are left stunned to learn that Columbus is not a hero in Italy, and that there is enmity between Italians who don’t think of themselves as Italians.
Coming back to this, it seriously frustrates me how destiny elaborated multiple times about Irish/ Italian discrimination to prove a point only for Jontron to reply “well they were still white” like you’re missing the big picture :/
I don't see it, what was his point? The topic was about immigration, bringing up how 100 years ago Irish weren't considered white doesn't say or answer anything. He kept repeating "they were called white n***ers" like it was supposed to mean something. Sounds shocking but it had no relevance to the subject.
@@Roflcrabs because jon was claiming that theres some sort of unspoken racial alliance between all "white people" & also that americas inherent racial identity is "white" when that wasnt the case barely 100 years ago
a fun drinking game if you want to annhilate your body is to take a shot every time Jon awkwardly laughs for a few seconds because he has no idea how to respond, before saying an answer either unrelated or racist lmao
@@butte5359 its the implication however. Destinys stance essentially is that white people should all hate themselves and want every country they inhabit erased and replaced. You echo these sentiments being the racist that you are.
@@Illumirage Got a timestamp for when that was implied or said? If not, I'm going to assume you've simply not seen the video. You can call people racist all day long, but if you can't back your statement up it's simply empty.
@@butte5359 i believe we've already went over this and I have provided you timestamps. We already said that it's baked into the rhetoric, he seems absolutely astonished that a certain group of people would want to remain a majority. Implying he feels otherwise. It's also odd, a lot of the things you say are Hollow and yet you accuse me of that. It's almost as if you're projecting, again. And again if you don't agree, I don't care. Agree to disagree. You don't have to sign off on things for it to be real or not real. I know you Destiny personally feel as though you have to police the comment section, being Destiny and all. This isn't an antifa meeting okay, not everybody has to tow the leftist progressive line here buddy
Conservative Americans (and even some Conservative Canadians) also like to say Canada is a shithole that is being overrun by a terrorist while Canada ranks higher than the US in almost everything besides military power and GDP, but that's not even that big of a deal because the US isn't really competitive on quality of life so any country could beat them there
@anyways Yeah I don't like it when Canadians bash America all the time. Although they have a point I still think it's disrespectful because not all Americans support American policies. I think they should focus their criticism on the US government because they are the ones responsible for most of the shit that happens. I'm Canadian but I don't have a problem with Americans, I have a problem with the American government.
@@gamer_gawd5520 America has the #1 standard of living. Do not respond to this if you dont know what that is. Cant tell you how many people think it's based off how many poor people a country has.
I remember hearing about the whole “JonTron is racist” thing, but I didn’t care enough to look into it back then. But holy fuck, this is so much worse than I would have ever imagined. Dude’s just dropping the dogwhistles left and right, jesus christ.
5 year late Andy here. The most telling part was Jon pointing to Africa, when beeing asked where the problems of black Americans come from. Hard to explain how to come up with that analogy without racism.
@Chris Lando It's overly simplistic and it really makes no sense unless you only see things through the lens of race. Like, if I told you that people with blonde hair commit more crime, would you say it must be because they are blonde?
As a fan of JonTrons channel for years, I always thought the mumbles I'd hear about him being a white nationalist to be overblown, but holy shit. His views are irrefutably abhorrent. Glad I finally watched it for myself.
@Kuthond you too bud you a hypocrite just by responding with that arguments and your getting mad cause he's a nationalist kinda seems like you mad because you associate with him
@@vario6492 Yes it’s natural to want to pass down your genes, but it’s not natural to cherry-pick groups that you can pass down your genes based on race, that is manufactured by our society.
"Black people are disproportionately targeted, this is why BLM exists" "Boy, I sure wish I lived in your Utopia" 10 min later "If you don't think we've gotten rid of discrimination, you're living in a fantasy land" The mental gymnastics
You see this kind of behavior in people who clearly have no clue what the fuck they are saying and just go through their 4chan bullet points when one fails(which they are incapable of acknowledging as a failure)
@@Illumirage exactly, as you noted both JonTron and Obama are half white, and you state JonTron is white, doesn't that mean Obama is white too? Or is the literal fear you have about colors?
@@regisglass5464 no they both are mixes. But ppl tend to identify more with the side they look more like. We've been over this dozens of times. Are you American regis? Are you white?
I've heard about this debate for a while but never got around to watching it, and holy shit it's worse than I thought. He's genuinely clueless. It's insane to me that Destiny will say an actual fact backed by statistics and Jontron has a knee-jerk reaction to it and says "I don't buy into that." He's so delusional.
@@Argi1000 career demographers say otherwise there sport. But no ill take you who has zero background in that field over people whose career revolves around this....
love him bringing up Japan lol I love living here but u don't wanna know how many jobs and apartments I've been denied cause I'm a foreigner. model society, my ass
you have to remember Japan is a homogeneous society, even tho the last 15-20 years people in Tokyo are kinda used to tourists/foreigners, a lot still dont want to live/associate with foreigners.
@@wais_45 yeah I know that. Japan is not a good example for a good working homogeneous society. Birth rates are declining, society is getting too old, Japanese don't want to do blue collar jobs so they made a special Visa for foreigners to do unskilled work. Japan and it's supporters often praise how homogeneous the country is and how it should stay like this. But doesn't look like it would be working out without immigrants. Also, not being used to foreigners shouldn't make xenophobia ok. Sorry for the ranting. But actually I was looking for work in Tokyo and hat tons of companies not wanting to hire foreigners here too.
A.R.M.Yバネッサ no it’s fine I completely agree. Japan definitely isn’t a perfect example and on top of that they’re economy hasn’t really grown in the last 20 years. Immigration definitely helps any type of economy but not sure how countries like Japan would welcome that since they’re homogenous. All those factors you highlighted exist and I agree.
@Steven Farmer thanks for the reply! They dont show you apartments or have policies to not hire foreigners. Everyone knows. It's not a big taboo, just how things go. I got an awesome job btw no worries about me ;)
@@regisglass5464why would you feel flattered about a comment like that? Serious/ genuine question? Because it strikes me as arguing for the sake of attention/arguing to be flattered by a comment calling attention to how long you’ve been doing it 😂
I watched a video by xanderhal who explains how he went down the alt right rabbit hole which directed me to this video and now my whole world is upside down. I didn’t notice these things I deemed as meme or just a fact were so dangerous. I feel like I don’t even know how to proceed with life. Even then I don’t think I was ever as fucked as JonTron lmao. This was years ago so hopefully he’s changed
Considering Jon hasn’t said anything about the BLM protests except that he misses grilling. This would’ve been a perfect chance to show he changed but he hasn’t said anything.
@@lyricbarnik1557 I was always under the impression that Jon Tron was always attacked unreasonably, like PewDiePie being called a Nazi, but no JonTron is literally saying an enthostate is desirable yikes.
disliked. They both had the same amount of time to learn the damn mechanics, Jon just figured it out quicker. You see it all the time on Game Grumps, where Arin doesn't just try all of the fucking buttons and runs around like a dumbass. It's his damn fault he didn't figure it out.
Yeah, I was one of the people defending JonTron when this first happened because I just saw clips, but then years later I watched the entire thing and the extent of how bad it was shocked me.
this debate makes me wonder if jontron ever took a US history class in high school. literally everyone who had a high school education remembers that Irish and German immigrants were descriminated against in the early 1800's. like the propaganda signs are in all our textbooks saying things like "Irish need not apply." and even if he doesn't know that and couldn't pass a history class, it's so easy just to google it.
@@theberg2035 Communism IS an ecbomic system first and foremost. I think you're conflalating communism with Leninism, Stalinism and all their spin offs. I'm not saying that in practice communism hasn't been political but it's origins lie in economics.
@@butte5359 We've already discussed this on maybe 20 different threads Butte. I'm not sure why I give you an answer and you keep asking the same question. It's almost as if you belong in a straitjacket or something. Are you familiar with the definition of insanity? "trying the same thing over and over and expecting a different result". Why do you keep asking me the same question over and over for months on end?
@@commenting000 is africa europe? No. Africa is not our home and there, we are the invaders. Did you forget that colonislism only ended about 50 to 40 years ago?
+Aron Johansson Yeah; it's okay to take farms from white people and possibly start something like genocide on no base but the fact that their skin colour is different: That's not racist at all! Oh wait...
*Destiny:* "Ok - lets nail down on one problem specifically" *JonTron:* "Dude, stop jumping all over the place!" *JonTron:* "You hear about this other Country?" *FOR TWO HOURS.*
Yeah probably. I had exactly the same views as him before after just years and years of /pol/ brainwashing. I wanted to debunk Destiny, so I started watching him and started gathering data. Generally it seemed Destiny was right about most things he said it's just our world views were different. I had to question why I had so many views that were racially motivated, it did seem like I was a bit racist. I had to ignore a lot of data to data that I preferred to validate my world view. Thank Christ Destiny de-radicalized me before I went into the deep end into unironically believing the JQ shit instead of just meme-ing about it like I used to.
@@idontlikeyouyo 👏 im glad you got out. I almost got radicalised into full alt righter too, even though it clearly goes against my interest. Watching a lot of Lauren Southern and others like her, i started slowly radicalising to the point i didnt recognise myself anymore but i still believed it. It wasn't until my mom got sick and i went through a really traumatic event that i saw the realities i faced and then i started actually reading my assigned readings (before i used to read them just to dismiss them as liberal propaganda) and really finding out that my worldview wasn't substantiated by any real world pheneomena or data. I'm better for it though because i now know for sure why i believe what i believe and i can defend it.
@@nope4909 popular TH-camr jontron has a bunch of takes that are dismantled by Destiny. At the time, this was revolutionary and therefore it is a pivotal moment in history.
@@akumar9270 "Genetically caucasian" makes no sense. Do you mean "genetically white" or "genetically from the Caucuses". The second one isn't true, but the first one doesn't make sense because "whiteness" is just one tiny part of genetics and it's shared by a whole variety of people. Clarify what you're talking about, please. Also, Iranians are a mix of ethnicities with very diverse backgrounds. You've got Azerbaijanis, Persians, Kurds, Turks, etc. The one genetic ancestral group they all share is the same one all Europeans and Asians share, the Indo-Europeans. Horseback people who came out of the steppes thousands of years ago and spread across Eurasia. The original occupants of Asia are now only found on remote islands like North Sentinel island, where that Missionary was killed recently for trying to invade. Those people have defended that island against Indo-Europeans and their descendents for literally thousands of years and that's the only reason they're still here. All Europeans, Arabs, Asians, South-Asians, etc came from the same tribe only a few thousand years ago, our differences are really small and cosmetic; epicanthic eyes, higher cheekbones, slight variations in iris color, little stuff like that. Those differences evolved relatively recently, within the last few thousand years. "White people" are only "white" to gain as much vitamin D as possible from the limited amount of sunlight available at northern climates. It's not a trait that indicates much other than that, east Asians are also white, but with epicanthic folds (which European white people also get sometimes). Like I said, we're all part of the same tribe that took over Eurasia. That tribe is best known for killing and conquering and, what do you know, its ancestors are carrying on the family legacy. It's interesting to me that JonTron thinks it's black people who are genetically more aggressive. I don't remember Africans invading and slaughtering another continent for profit.
Passion of the Crust what facts? All I hear 13/50 with the only explanation being prehistoric African warrior genes not the multiple gang wars going on because people have no other way of making money but ok live in delusion if you want
I like coming back to this. I was practically a fascist 3 years ago. And this is probably the starting point of me turning into a more sane person lmao
@Mannech No I just think you're so intolerant that anyone to the right of Karl Marx himself = fascist. Leftists nowadays are some of the most intolerant people on the planet and the vast majority hold more in common with fascists than anyone on the right. Get a grip on reality.
@Mannech _"I think you're assuming a lot here. The left generally doesn't equate the all of what the right incapsulates towards fashism."_ That doesn't make sense, first of all. I think the modern left, not the old guard left, does in fact not only hate the right, but many straight want us dead and gone. They're beyond intolerant. It's gotten to outright gen0cidal talk. _"The thing that concerns leftists about right wing is that it often serves as a 'gateway ideology' towards fashism (the youtube right wing echo chamber is a particularly good example of this)."_ There is no less of a pathway to extremism on the left than there is the right. That's a two way street. Quit acting like that's singular to the right cuz it isn't. I would argue there is MORE of a path to extremism on the left, because the left doesn't get called out or banned by YT for their extremism, they're practically applauded. Have you heard some of the shit they're saying? Have you ever watched a Vaush video? The guy is batshit insane. Have you seen the videos of Olly from PhilosophyTube praising antifa, literal domestic terrorists? _"And I don't think the leftists are really more hostile than the right."_ Are you even vaguely familiar with antifa??????!?!?!?!?!?! Where have you been the last 4 years? In a coma? _"Both can be very hostile for sure tho."_ Are you familiar with Willem Van Spronsen? What about the Ohio antifa shooter? What about the guy that attempted to kill a conservative congressman on a NY baseball diamond? I have so many examples you'd probably faint after reading them. You have tunnel vision because the news doesn't report your mistakes, and you hear about the fewer by volume mistakes the people on the right make for months on end.... You have no argument here.
52:10 Somehow Jon forgets that Europeans colonized Mexico. The reason they speak Spanish might have something to do with that. Canada was colonized by Europeans. The USA was colonized by Europeans. Mexico was colonized by Europeans.
Me and My best friend Damian are Latino. We met when we didn't have many friends because we both liked Jon Tron and would watch his videos in school. It was such a happy time that now seeing who Jontron really is, it hurts.
'What do you think about Mexicans?' "Uhh, hehe I don't want to get into that" JT came into this thinking all white people think like him but are just in denial. Cause he seems to refuse to answer a lot of questions and laughs like D is being purposefully obtuse. It's like no dude, what do you mean? What do you actually want? Say it with your chest bro
As a German, calling yourself "European" is not unheard of, but it is never used to identify yourself culturally in a normal day context, it is almost always used to make a political statement.
Yeah us English never ever call ourselves European and I don’t think we ever will. We always refer to ourselves as English, British and such. When an English calls themselves a European it’s pretty much always an EU supporter who does it.
@@pestilenssi8979 youre not scandinavian, but European. Finnish people are part of the Nordics, but not Scandinavia as scandinavian denotes the scandinavian root of the danish, Norwegian and Swedish language , which Finland doesn't share :)
@@Illumirage There is no racism from Destiny smoothbrain, I'm black and have followed Destiny since the beginning before politics, you sound like a racist excuser that's using the classic yet pathetic "but he is doing it too!" excuse.
I really did not want to be disgusted by jontron. He made that nearly impossible with his blatant bigotry. How can anyone enjoy his content after he spews this racial supremacy? It feels like such a deception. He portrays himself as this cuddly goofball but he harbors such revolting views of people and the world.
Because he’s making objectively correct assertions. But he’s arguing against someone like destiny who is a grifter at best and an ideological optics juggler at worst.
I like how one of jons talking points is: "You're saying white americans discriminated against irish people, look how white they are." Do none of these people know basic middle school grade history?
Tbh they never taught that stuff in school. I didn’t learn about white immigrants being discriminated against in America until I was an adult. And I didn’t learn about the “white n****r” thing until…..today
Funny you bring up the mental illness part. This coming from a supposed left leaning person, you know, the ideology and party of tolerance and inclusion? But when you disagree with someone it's an insult. Nice. I think my comment count is more of an indictment of destiny's fanbase than me. They won't stop responding. They all think they're God's gift to debate, are petty and disingenuous like destiny is. I don't want to be here . But they keep responding anyway...
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This debate felt like choosing the wrong dialog option EVERY time
^ When you _think_ you're a better speed-runner than you actually are.
@@Ragitsu 🤣🤣
Life is just a telltale game and JonTron is the protagonist who's being controlled by an absolute jokster of a player.
@Maurits You forgot option
D. C'mon man
@@rudrank819 a dude on his 5th playthrough trying to get the bad ending ha
Jontron is what happens when someone forms political opinions solely from /pol/ and SJW OWNED compilations
Green you idiot
@@Soosss it's not dying even the left hates you guys
@@fightfannerd2078 You good bro?
+
Sjws are still cringe cucklords though, whether youre left or right.
Jontron: "Wealthy blacks commit more crime than poor whites. Look it up."
...
*Seconds later*
...
Destiny: "Black people generally receive harsher prison sentences than whites"
Jontron: "That's ridiculous"
both Jon's and Destiny's statements were true
@@gwen534 well tbh the BLM has been nothing but bad
@@k9guy not really. Only source I can find says black kids are more likely to go to jail.
black people generally receive harsher sentences because they are repeat offenders more on average + resist arrest and what not. do you think they get "good behavior" while inside? I think not. its a deceptive statistic, kinda like women being paid less.
@@k9guy Didn't the person who made the infographic that JonTron was referencing email Destiny and tell him he just made this up?
As a gay man, I genuinely enjoy a good cheek clapping here and there, but jontron has shown me I have not been getting clapped up right. This is how you get bent over.
Lmao
Hahahah good one lol
This is gross. I would not want you around me or my children. Or children period. Gross wierdo.
My favorite comment on this entire platform
Lol you libs have such a shitty sense of humor. Like who finds this comment funny
>Think's SJW's argue with feelings instead of facts.
>Answers Destiny using feelings and thoughts instead of facts.
entirety of the alt right does exactly everything they hate. they're the most easy to trigger too, yet they throw that word around all the time as if they're the ones with iron skin.
@@pride7416 they don't see it that way they see themselves as the good guys or something.
Destiny is not an SJW. An SJW is to liberalism what an extremist is to religion.
This such a good way of resuming it
This such a good way of resuming it
No fair Jontron has auto aim locked on his own foot
Passed this comment three times before I understood the joke
@@markrichardson2512 he shot himself in the foot.
@Mason Bee i don't even know about that though. i think he was just shooting himself in the foot over and over again until he bled out, almost.
Mason Bee what was he right about?
@@camerongoddard1638 yeah
>implying jontron was right
>jontron was right
>confusion.jpg
I’ve seen some interesting debate tactics, but laughing smugly every time you get cornered is a new one
He's laughing because those buzzwords and slurs aren't shaming him out of his position.
@@preussianblau5595 is this seriously a pro jontron comment? Are you serious?
JonTron doesn’t let silly little things like logically coherent arguments change his mind
@@preussianblau5595 the buzzwords he was throwing weren't shaming himself out of his position? What?
@@retrohanska4441 racist, sexist, bigot, homophobe, anti semite, Islamophobia and on and in and on.
It would take you 5 seconds to find out that Anti Irish Sentiment is a historical fact and persisted well into the 1950s and 60s. Jontron is killing my braincells here bro
@@kg356 I'm not sure what you're trying to defend.
Columbus Day first happened as a reaction to anti Italian lynchings in New Orleans too.
japan: *is racist*
jontron: model society
mila i as an expat in Japan, I can confirm it
Jon Tron was watching too much anime lol
@x Florio "so?"
@@ludvighauger5044 I think with a lot of expats living in Japan go away with this notion, they start really happy and enjoying it but after a bit the politeness seems fake and then you notice people staring at you and alot of the time people start to hate living there because they fell like an outcast. Your experience mat be completely different but if this is what you experienced then dont think its because the people didn't like you, it's part of the culture to be almost robotic while working and many of them are still surprised to see a foreigner but dont get the wrong impression.
@@kermitmurder5536 There's racism in Japan since they aren't used to seeing people who aren't Japanese. In the USA, it's due to explicit hatred of minority ethnic groups and the history of slavery and segregation. I can't think of any Japanese equivalents to the KKK or any racial supremacy recent riots in Japan similar to Charlottesville
Destiny: bro wtf is your argument?
Jontron: we live in a society
Lmaooo
"black people amirite"
You idiot, we live on a deserted island with a bunch of choir boys who are a little to quick to start murdering pigs with sticks.
duality of man
Where honor is a distant memory.
I basically agreed with jontron back when this happened. Coming back to listen to him... holy FUCK I was racist.
Or you just really liked Jontron and were really young. Might be the same thing idk.
@@gottablast918 i wasn't a full on nazi or anything, but I bought basically all of jons talking points, which I understand now the only thing underlying his talking points is a racist attitude towards brown people.
So let me get this straight, 5 years ago you weren't aware that you were racist? Racism has always had a pretty definitive definition: believing one race is superior to another. The basic rule of thumb is just treat everyone you meet as equal, you weren't doing that up until a few weeks ago?
@@Roflcrabs just treating people you meet as equals isn't the entirety of racism. The idea that immigrants are criminals is racist. I didn't think that Mexican people were worse than white Americans, and I'd probably treat a Mexican person or a white American the same if I met them.
But the question is, where does the idea that Mexican immigrants are criminals come from? It certainly doesn't come from statistics. It's an idea that stems from racism.
Eh...I don't think you were racist, you both were just ignorant and naive it seems.
Jesus, I thought JonTron “racism” was extremely over-exaggerated, but after watching this it’s hard to defend him.
Impossible*
@@haruhirogrimgar6047 Its actually easy to agree with him you just need to be a neo-nazi and/or white nationalist
Agreed. Lots of clipped compilations tried to cover for Jon but Having the unedited long version available settled it for me
This was a long time ago. Nothing he's said or done since has supported the argument that he currently believes any of the nonsense he spouted on this stream. Why does it still matter?
@@shaddaboop7998 He very explicity tweeted pro-trump sentiments and made an anti-vax video full of either out-dated or blatantly incorrect information. He also never apologized for these takes and said he disagrees with them based on how horrendeous they are.
He should not still be allowed on youtube.
I'd honestly thought that the whole "Johntron is a nazi" thing was just overblown drama. That opinion got destroyed about 2 minutes into the video.
i'm pretty sure you don't know what a nazi is
@@Illumirage Are you going to go with one of those literalist "the nazis were like 70 years ago bro" arguments, or are you just being pedantic?
Fine, i'll be less literal. Johntron was called out for saying questionable shit, and it turns the questionable shit was way more extreme than I thought
Damien INSANE-O “just because I believe in racial supremacy and want an ethnostate I am suddenly a nazi?”
@@carrier2823 I don't believe in either of those. Just don't like being told I'm about to disappear is all. Nobody would want that. Look at you attempting to ridicule me for an innate human instinct. I'm half expecting you to start attacking me for blinking next....
@@passionofthecrust9173 _"Are you going to go with one of those literalist the nazis were like 70 years ago bro arguments, or are you just being pedantic?"_
That's not where I was going but I don't necessarily disagree with that. Because my grandfather fought them, ACTUAL not sees, not these average everyday conservatives you consider to be them now. The amt. of real not sees in America couldn't even fill a middle school gymnasium.
_"Fine, i'll be less literal. Johntron was called out for saying questionable shit, and it turns the questionable shit was way more extreme than I thought"_
I don't know that it really was. He wasn't eloquent, but a lot of this core concepts aren't really that off....
This just feels like typical liberal gaslighting, pretend everyone's on your side when most people aren't.
Everytime Jon chuckles he loses an inch off of his health bar
i felt that lol
When in doubt smugly laugh to hide your pain
Haha
He learnt that shit for Sargon, it was so obvious lmao
Jon "RIP my career" Jafari
I’m Mexican, John saying “Mexicans are gonna rape and commit crimes” is just, wild. I immigrated here with my mom, I graduated Highschool, made it though collage, and currently looking for a job. I can’t name a single illegal thing I’ve done, my white friends are a whole different story
@Adam Apocalypse shut up n!66@
@Adam Apocalypse statistics in relation to action are a historical happenstance
I hope the job search is going/has gone well, buddy ♡♡♡
@@GrimlyYours shut up n!66@
Good for you? Nobody cares bro
John’s argument : Dude, come on.
dude come on, jon was right.
“America and Europe are the same”- someone who’s literally never been to europe
While I agree that America and Europe are completely different (Europe is not culturally homogeneous in the first place),
you don't have to physically visit Europe to understand that.
You just have to open the fucking history books :/
And read them.
Probably not the ones made by the kind of people that think that the States are the center of the damn universe and that everyone else lives in 3rd country shitholes.
SgabelloBello I mean chances are if you live in another country America has either whooped or saved your ass at least once.
@@coby4480 How is that in any way connected to what we were talking about?
SgabelloBello cuz you shat on america
Americans did not consider themselves European. They left for a reason.
“sAYS yOu”
powerful stuff, jontron.
@really dude elaborate on who and why
@really dude then he is a complete idiot
My god you all got something right up in there don't ya?
HE DIDN'T KNOW IRISH WERE CONSIDERED SCUM. wtaf. gtfojontron. read some goddam history before wading in.
@@robertsmith-williams5255 >read the propaganda
It still amazes me how everyone seems to forget the part where JonTron says, out loud, in the middle of the debate, “I believe race effects culture” - and then minutes later doesn’t wanna get into why black people in America commit a disproportionate amount of crime, getting uncomfortable and arguing Destiny is trying to “trap” him. Very, VERY telling.
Racism is inherently self-defeating in the long run.
affects* culture
"NOOOO DESTINY DONT MAKE ME SAY SOMETHING RACIST NOOOOOO AAAAH" - JonTron
@@penjamin1479 Racism in of itself isn't even a bad term, you could be racist by just acknowledging the fact that race exists and there are fundamental differences between a black/asian/white person.
@yes yes the definition of racism is "discrimination based on race" which is inherently immoral 100% of the time
I went back to this video just to realize how fucking stupid I was to think that Jontron did nothing wrong. Big yikes.
How ironic that you could take the clip of him talking about race and edit in "I don't like where this is going..." And it would be completely on point and relatable.
Watching this in 2020. Jesus, I can't believe it is still relevant.
I saw a video about escaping the alt-right pipeline, and wanted to check out what he was talking about
@@Cobalt985 haha bro we both watched the same video. Now were here
ShinTensei me too. Holy shit jon is really annoying here
Me Four. lol
Me five
Jontron: I don't even know what you're saying, I just disagree with you.
???????
*facepalm*
vinkwick he still a funny dude tho
Because people like Destiny are wrong, and they think they're right.
And according to Spider-Man, that makes him dangerous.
it’s extremely cool and not at all indicative of your manchild brain that you’re giving cultural critiques based on spiderman.
@@IdoruFalls I'm pretty sure it's just a joke.
"what's wrong with white people become I minority"
Destiny asks 14 times, JonTron never answered.
"What's wrong with the most accomplished race on Earth being overrun by the worst?" Gee I dunno
@@burneraccount8416 Consume feces.
@@burneraccount8416 i assure you, jontrons issues don't stem from his race and those like him existing is not overrunning the nation (regardless of what he says).
@@burneraccount8416 ah such a simplified view of history, what weak minds
@@laurensahanna5826 Didn't even attempt to counter his point at all. Just deflect and dismiss. You people can't argue at all.
As a fan of jontron for years this was like listening to my fun uncle I’ve known my entire life talk about his batshit insane political views for the first time randomly over thanksgiving dinner
So you're pro genocide then?
@@Illumirage that's odd, why would jontron be correct in stating those like him being born is replacing al white people? As you call it a genocide, what should be done about jontron?
lol same. You and me are both so late to the party with this video.
"you're living in a fantasy land" proceeds to say there isn't discrimination in America
There isn't
@@leaderofthebunch-deadbeat7716 hey bro, do me a favor. Watch. The fucking. Video.
Yeah it's called affirmative action.
@@recusantcatholicgroyper101 ...which benefits white people (the women specifically) the most. LUL
@@MUGENGaming Merely the opposite really
"Japan is homogenous"
"Yeah, but they are racist. I don't think that's a good model"
"I do think that"
"So ... you're racist?"
*laughs
Japan is not homogenous.
Glorious Untermensch It’s pretty damn close
Japan's pretty racist but they're not an ethno state
@@loreaver3882 they pretty much are.
@@loreaver3882 they are.
Non ethnic Japanese are legally discriminated against there.
Try telling an Okinawan that Japan isn't an ethnostate, I'm sure they'd love it
"You're calling me a racist?"
5 seconds earlier: "What's the bad thing about non-white people legally emigrating here?"
"I mean, come on... it's obvious."
Replacement wouldn't be ok in Africa, why is it here?
@@Illumirage "replacement"
@@SpeedSlowVideos problem?
@@Illumirage that's strange, as you believe a minority of white people peacefully going to africa makes more white people, ie, replaces non whites, why is it a problem that non whites go to the USA? Isn't that why you believe JonTron is white?
@@regisglass5464 you'll get answers when you start answering questions regis. Not sure why I have to tell you this literally 150 times and you still haven't answered one question.
I recently found JonTron through TH-cam suggestions and hearing this is just flipping my world. Never meet your heroes, kids.
i watched jontron when i was like 11-13 and just found this shit 😭
Still my hero
@@duxangus 🤨
Seriously. My family is from the middle east. Jon tron is half iranian. He wants to talk about not letting "incompatible cultures" into the US? Insane
I watched Jon Tron for a LOOOONG ass time and I've heard he said some weird shit but I never knew it was THIS bad
Jon: I understand we are talking in broad generalizations here.
Destiny: We can talk in specifics if you want.
Jon: No no no
You took that out of context, jon did not say "no no no" to talking in specifics at all, if you listen to what he said it was "no no no that's not what I'm saying" so he was replying to something else destiny said.
The fact that this gets so many likes is evidence of how dishonest liberal folks are.
@shankapuppet he doesn't have to.. Destiny explained multiple times that once you get dug into a certain level of conspiracy theory, it can get difficult to refute. He used the example that he probably wouldn't be able to debate the worlds best flat earther, but that it doesnt mean that you're then forced to take flat earth as a legitimate theory. The problem is that Ryan Faulks positions are so unfounded by modern consensus on iQ that it is almost parallel to the flat earth theory(it is). Besides, destiny did a pretty good job, so I don't know why you're gloating. I think it's pretty insane that people like you legitimately expect mainstream academia to look at these fake ass secluded websites(like the alt hype) and take it seriously. These websites are created to validate the world views of people like you. These ideas should've been extinct a long time ago.. evolve like the rest of us! I don't know why you race realist attack Destiny for debating "low hanging fruit" and claim that he should "talk to the experts," when arguably, you could say the exact same to Ryan Faulk and fucking Sean Last. You'll never see the day when Ryan Faulk, or any of those other little fuckers on that propagandist web page, reach out and debate turkhiemer or James Flynn. Why do you think that is though? It's because they'er pushing for an agenda and a fake image. You can contact Turkhiemer and James Flynn directly; trust that I've don't it before. You won't see nobody on the hereditarian side of the argument do this for a reason.
@shankapuppet oioioi the Jon Jafari TH-cam page Jontron is a high and well made form of entertainment.
@shankapuppet Didn't even know he had!
The fact that jon really used his feelings to deny the irish racism in early america is where everyone should see he is not someone who knows anything about history. He just knows a few talking points that is repeated by others like him. He doesn't understand anything he talks about on a deeper level.
youre telling me that people thought irish werent europeans.
marv34001
Yes that's exactly what I'm telling you. Go read a history book about the mass immigration going on during the industrial revolution.
@@RKFCGSBGK go read a history book isnt an argument, in order for any ethnic group of people to mass immigrate in the times before the hellen keller act, that ethnic group had to be recognized as white by state, people might not have liked them but that doesn't mean they couldnt see the obvious racial similarities
@@aaronwu1572 you think that was an actual criticism of their race, or is it a criticism of their behavior?
Every mass immigration group to America has faced this scrutiny and hostility. First it was the Irish and Eastern Europeans, then the Chinese, and now the Mexicans and Muslims. In most cases, they legally could not become citizens, as in it was quite impossible to. It’s the same story all over again.
DEBATE TIMESTAMPS
0:00 Introduction
3:20 Is America European?
5:09 Identity politics and historic oppression
8:14 People are shaped by their environments
11:31 Who’s responsible for fixing it?
12:53 Japan: a model society?
15:07 JonTron: “When you get condescending…”
17:06 Destiny: “I think it’s a beautiful thing.”
18:07 Are things falling apart?
19:52 Italians and the Irish
22:11 Trump’s racism
23:21 White displacement
31:14 White interests, red vs blue states
35:53 Crime and race
37:57 Does race matter?
38:45 JonTron: “Nobody wants to become a minority in their own country.”
41:14 JonTron: “Immigrants will turn the US into Mexico, live on welfare and commit crimes”
43:12 Immigration and the economy
48:14 More comparisons to Europe
56:30 Back to immigration and the economy
1:01:25 Assimilation and JonTron almost goes max cringe
1:05:06 Black Lives Matter
1:12:27 Back to Europe once again
1:14:24 JonTron: “We’ve gotten rid of discrimination in our western countries.”
1:15:52 Differences in the Middle East
1:17:50 Closing words from JonTron
POST-DEBATE
1:18:25 Post-debate and talking to chat
1:20:26 “You should have established the definition of whiteness early on.”
1:22:25 “You should have pressed him on Africa.”
1:22:34 “Why is it bad to have white pride?”
1:23:16 “Do you think JonTron left questioning why he had no answers?”
1:23:43 “Why do black people commit more crime? Do black people not have control of their actions?”
1:25:58 Stefan Molyneux is a sophist.
1:27:34 “He was wrong about poor black people committing more crime.”
1:29:42 “Planned Parenthood conflicts with the South’s religious views.”
1:30:39 Destiny: “I’m not an SJW. Don’t witch-hunt.”
1:31:44 “Where do you stand on Native-American rights?”
1:32:59 “What about immigration from Muslim countries?”
1:33:26 “Would you debate Shoeonhead?”
1:33:58 Pewdiepie
1:34:26 Parroting talking points without being able to back it up, politics shaped by narrow paradigms
1:38:11 JonTron’s use of the terms “virtue signaling” and “identity politics”
1:42:10 Comparing petty crimes to more serious crimes
1:43:19 When JonTron brought up the gene pool LOL
1:43:38 1:45:26 Illegal immigrants paying taxes?
1:44:34 1:46:02 Why Destiny didn’t want go into Europe and Africa
1:49:00 1:56:08 Religious culture vs secularism
1:54:05 Contraception
This man's is a god
Oh damn you're awesome
@@dandromeda1 Thank you! Hope it helps!
thank you esaint
Hell yeah
This video is like watching a train wreck in slow motion. The worst part will always be the smugness that Jon says these things with.
Jontron: *hears a factual statement that is entirely true*
Jontron: yeah I just don’t subscribe to that
@sgt. goy
Fact... a thing that is known or proved to be true.
Fact... something that has actual existence
Fact... an actual occurrence
Fact... a piece of information presented as having objective reality
Fact... the quality of being actual
Fact... in truth
Fact... something known to exist or to have happened
Fact... A fact is a thing that is known to be consistent with objective reality and can be proven to be true with evidence.
You my friend are confusing the word fact, for data. When Nick Holland was saying "hears a factual statement", he was saying a statement which was proven to be true. You're stupid so you confused that with data. Data that could or could not be correct. Maybe you should fact check things before you say them. And yes I'm using the word fact in the correct manner.
Now that's not to say "facts" can be wrong, that's where data can help us correct incorrect information. Just because there's a census, doesn't mean that something is true. But when Nick was using the word Factual, he was talking about information, backed up by data, and by logic, to come to a conclusion that is almost impossibly true.
@sgt. goy
"Maybe learn what words mean"
I provided the definition, rather the top few definitions I could find on all the websites, which almost always makes fact synonymous with true.
I then provided a counterargument that fact doesnt always mean the same as true. I then added another point that in this case, yes it nick was using the word correctly. We can never be entirely sure of anything, so does that mean nothing is a fact? No, because that would be lame and a waste of a good word lol. Truth is, what we perceive as true changes with time, so so in turn fact also changes. So what is true now is that you're dumb. And hopefully in the future that changes
If people used the word fact the way you say Nick should have used it, the word would never be used
@sgt. goy
I understand that fact and truth dont mean the same thing, and I said that myself, but I also think that based on evidence and logic, fact and truth can get pretty damn close. Such as the laws of physics, or that math is indeed related to science (that was a joke, EVERYONE knows math is not related to science).
@sgt. goy True,
in accordance with fact or reality
Truth,
that which is true or in accordance with fact or reality
"we have a police force to fight oppression" that aged well
yeah... that deserves a f in the chat.
I bet JonTron scrambled to find a way to call George Floyd a thug that deserved to be killed.
@@stpedro-ht9ng no one deserves to die but he was a life long thug no one would argue that he isnt
@@georgenaron5603 Anyone can have a terrible past. Its just really irrelevant and is only brought up to say the officers did nothing wrong.
@@georgenaron5603 Who cares honestly brass tax here an officer went out of line and wash;t immediately detained because the system works in his favor. Imagine if it didn't go viral. Oh wait we don't have to there are dozens more cases like that, which were only reopened when community leaders used the momentum of the protests to bring awareness. The "but he deserved it" rhetoric is terrible and unlawful. Rules are set in place and we expect those enforcing them to be an example and follow them.
The most insufferable part of this debate is Jon's obnoxious laughter after every stupid thing he says.
This is the thing that made me say "Y'know what? I think Game Grumps dodged a bullet."
Arin has a tendency to have pretty sketch friends but he definitely manages to dodge bullets well.
Johntron regularly using the n-word and ending up a white-nationalist.
RubberRoss getting fired for sexual harrassment.
Dan being pretty sketchy in his sexual life mainly being redeemed by his regular endorcements of the importance of consent.
JonTrons channel has more subscribers, people love his bullshit.
hasn't arin said the n-word a lot in the past too?
edit: at least he apologized I guess
@@haruhirogrimgar6047 Wait what happened with Ross?
@@soundslikeskrillex9799 From what I understand he got fired from Gamegrumps for sexual harrassment after multiple warnings.
“It’s all right to tell a man to lift himself by his own bootstraps, but it is cruel jest to say to a bootless man that he ought to lift himself by his own bootstraps.”
-Martin Luther King
Is that a real quote.
@@Spencerwalker21 Yup there's footage of the quote
@@Left4Red cool thanks 😁
damn MLK be spittin fax
it's a fucked up thing to say anyways considering that "pulling yourself up by your bootstraps" is physically impossible and was originally intended to describe something.... physically impossible.
So lemme get this straight. He wants a white ethnostate. And doesn’t even know what white is?
Apparently, he feels destiny was taking "the whiteness away from" him because he's middle eastern 17:08
Regis Glass thank you, tbh this video was very hard to follow because the topic kept being shifted. I wish Destiny would’ve wrangled him down, and stopped him from jumping from on thing to the next. I know he did sometimes, especially when he’d try to jump to a whole other country, but I wish he would’ve done it more so the video could be a bit easier to follow
Pazuzu right! I don’t know how he can say those arguments out loud and not realize how ridiculous they sound/are
He seems to think that the white supremacists then allow him to stay. They wouldnt.
To be fair, a lot of white supremacists care more about skin color than bloodline/ethnicity/nationality
Came here because I saw some people upset about a jontron collab with papa meat, and I knew nothing about him so wanted to go to the source. And holy shit it’s so much worse than I could’ve imagined.
Glad you went to the source
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Aaah yes, not wanting your country invaded. What a fool....
I remember doing something similar back when this debate was new. It felt quite shocking hearing Jon say these things.
You did great checking out the source, more people should do that. 😊
@@butte5359 dear God....
I couldn't make it past 50 minutes. Destiny has next level patience for putting up with Jon's constant evading and "I'm right, you're wrong this evidence I can't provide says so"
J: here’s something
S: here’s why that is factually incorrect
J: (anime villain laugh.)
@@An_Obese_Beaver i liked that you used the phrase "pussy laugh" since it shows exactly what kind of person you are and how old. no wonder you believe in pseudoscience.
@@An_Obese_Beaver what the fuck are you talking about? i fully understand you as a person? you completely made that up. i said that your choice of words show what KIND of person you are. please learn to read properly and don't make up shit.
since you said that jontron is "factually checking" somebody, it is safe to say that you believe in the same things that jontron said in this debate. he took numbers from fucking memes and other sketchy sources and pretended like they were the truth. when he was pressed on those numbers, he gave a pseudoscience reasoning for why he believe in them. and by proxy you to do, too. at least you are acknowledging that you have a puny one-sided mind which show that there is still hope for you.
@@Suinlu91 Jontron was literally citing fake facts some dipshit made up and posted on Reddit. I can't believe people still come to watch this video in support of Jontron. I'm here as a revisit of "what did US stupidity sound like 3 years ago?"
@@AchillesThePeacemaker yeah, it's insane.
@@AchillesThePeacemaker Cringing very hard at Jon's "displacement" theories, didnt age well after the Christchurch shooting...
Should have used some flex tape to fix the holes in his ideology
Luis Espinoza 😂
Destiny: "What does that mean"
JohnTron:
*T h a t s A L o t O f D a m a g e*
Omg im dying.
@Mac Loud he got blown the fuck out
@Mac Loud the worst part is that he still watches crowders videos. Goes to show that they dont care about facts as they claim to be. They are based on irrational hatred and thats it
finally watched this. HOLY SHIT. Jon got *obliterated* I laugh out loud when he said "YOU'RE THE ELITE! WHAT?? are you an working man now?"
"I'm not talking about me!?! I mean the other minorities" -JonTron
Agreed, jontron forgets that his fear of white people being replaced is based on those like him being born.
"I'm not saying that whites should be the majority of the country" THAT'S WHAT YOU'VE BEEN SAYING FOR THE PAST HALF HOUR
what's wrong with thinking that?
@@Illumirage why should the white population have the right to dictate who get's to come tk the country? Whites aren't the only ones living there. Plus this notion of "tribalism" is directly disproven by Jon himself. It doesn't make sense.
@@Illumirage A part of the population that happens to be the majority have the right to keep that majority with laws and regulations vs. people that immigrate and live here happen to not be white due to no laws or regulation. Nice.
Damien INSANE-O just mad about mayocide
@@frozenyogurth If majority white countries are such a problem, feel free to move to a country where whites are a minority.
Paraphrasing, but around 51 minutes: JT: “Europeans at the end of the day see themselves as Europeans and they get along”... weird, I feel like I remember like 2 world wars or something, where they didn’t feel that way for a bit...
ancient history, he's talking about today
@@Illumirage The world wars happend back in ancient history?
Seems like you need to look up when they happend, you might be supprised.
@@butte5359 with how fast time moves in this day and age yes.
Think about it, with the news cycle and how fast everything happens even the Covington kids debacle seems like a long time ago. What about the Penn state scandals? Seems likes ages ago. So yeah, I would posit that was a long, long time ago.
No, I've been studying WW2 for quite a long, long time.
I forgot how condescending you were..... jeez......
@@Illumirage There has been a ton of things happening the recent years that's for sure, but that does not change how short time ago the world wars were. There are even people alive who were alive during the second world war.
I doubt a person who thinks the world wars were "ancient history" has studied them at all.
Butte great scene from The Sopranos: Tony and his gang are grumbling about protests on Columbus Day because of Columbus’ legacy, declaring it anti-Italian and anti-American. And then Furio, the hitman who is actually from Italy, spits at the very name. Because to him Columbus represents the disparity between the north and south of Italy and a reminder of how the south is treated. And Tony and the other monsters are left stunned to learn that Columbus is not a hero in Italy, and that there is enmity between Italians who don’t think of themselves as Italians.
Coming back to this, it seriously frustrates me how destiny elaborated multiple times about Irish/ Italian discrimination to prove a point only for Jontron to reply “well they were still white” like you’re missing the big picture :/
I don't see it, what was his point? The topic was about immigration, bringing up how 100 years ago Irish weren't considered white doesn't say or answer anything. He kept repeating "they were called white n***ers" like it was supposed to mean something. Sounds shocking but it had no relevance to the subject.
@@Roflcrabs because jon was claiming that theres some sort of unspoken racial alliance between all "white people" & also that americas inherent racial identity is "white" when that wasnt the case barely 100 years ago
a fun drinking game if you want to annhilate your body is to take a shot every time Jon awkwardly laughs for a few seconds because he has no idea how to respond, before saying an answer either unrelated or racist lmao
I NEED a drink after watching this. Causes me physical pain every time jesus fucking christ
@@olive5261 💀💀💀 spare some for me. I was listening to this whilst at work and I wanted to throw hands w the air
@@AndrewTateOfficial I feel that LMAO
I mean, I don't like myself sometimes, but I'm not trying to die.
@AndrewTateOfficial I'm doing the same, quietly mumbling to myself "why are you laughing???" And "dude nu-uuuuh."
to keep it real, I just heard about this and came in with a johntron bias. you've changed a lot of how I think, thank you.
Yeah how dare he not hate himself and people like him!
@@Illumirage Nothing like that was said in the video, try watching it.
@@butte5359 its the implication however. Destinys stance essentially is that white people should all hate themselves and want every country they inhabit erased and replaced. You echo these sentiments being the racist that you are.
@@Illumirage Got a timestamp for when that was implied or said? If not, I'm going to assume you've simply not seen the video.
You can call people racist all day long, but if you can't back your statement up it's simply empty.
@@butte5359 i believe we've already went over this and I have provided you timestamps. We already said that it's baked into the rhetoric, he seems absolutely astonished that a certain group of people would want to remain a majority. Implying he feels otherwise. It's also odd, a lot of the things you say are Hollow and yet you accuse me of that. It's almost as if you're projecting, again. And again if you don't agree, I don't care. Agree to disagree. You don't have to sign off on things for it to be real or not real. I know you Destiny personally feel as though you have to police the comment section, being Destiny and all. This isn't an antifa meeting okay, not everybody has to tow the leftist progressive line here buddy
As a European who regularly travels in Europe I always find it funny when Americans talk about Europe being on fire or in some sort of death throws.
Conservative Americans (and even some Conservative Canadians) also like to say Canada is a shithole that is being overrun by a terrorist while Canada ranks higher than the US in almost everything besides military power and GDP, but that's not even that big of a deal because the US isn't really competitive on quality of life so any country could beat them there
@anyways Yeah I don't like it when Canadians bash America all the time. Although they have a point I still think it's disrespectful because not all Americans support American policies. I think they should focus their criticism on the US government because they are the ones responsible for most of the shit that happens. I'm Canadian but I don't have a problem with Americans, I have a problem with the American government.
anyways they don’t. Most of the rest of the world make fun of the obesity epidemic and school shootings
Funnily enough Europeans do the same thing to America tho? Lmao. Both are in hot political climate tho and that's undeniable.
@@gamer_gawd5520 America has the #1 standard of living. Do not respond to this if you dont know what that is. Cant tell you how many people think it's based off how many poor people a country has.
I remember hearing about the whole “JonTron is racist” thing, but I didn’t care enough to look into it back then.
But holy fuck, this is so much worse than I would have ever imagined. Dude’s just dropping the dogwhistles left and right, jesus christ.
bro i was down the rabbithole when this happened 💀💀
I remember listening to the metokur debate and going "wow destiny got destroyed!!"..... yeesh.......
So then it turned out...he wasn't racist...
@@somejabroni51 there was no victory here, only a clown fest
@@fupoflapo2386 if you want to be cringe and wrong on a 5 year old video go ahead just please don't involve me in your retardation
5 year late Andy here.
The most telling part was Jon pointing to Africa, when beeing asked where the problems of black Americans come from. Hard to explain how to come up with that analogy without racism.
@Chris Lando Yeah, you're racist.
@Chris Lando It's overly simplistic and it really makes no sense unless you only see things through the lens of race.
Like, if I told you that people with blonde hair commit more crime, would you say it must be because they are blonde?
@Chris Lando Ah so youre just racist, got it. Correlation=/Causation.
@Chris Lando bad take
@Chris Lando You literally agreed to being racist in your hypothetical instead of actually looking at the problems the group have.
As a fan of JonTrons channel for years, I always thought the mumbles I'd hear about him being a white nationalist to be overblown, but holy shit. His views are irrefutably abhorrent. Glad I finally watched it for myself.
@Kuthond 😘
Kuthond why are you so mad over a youtube comment? you’re the one with the problems here.
@Kuthond you too bud you a hypocrite just by responding with that arguments and your getting mad cause he's a nationalist kinda seems like you mad because you associate with him
@ Adam Apocolyspe ok kid
@Adam Apocalypse nice comment edgelord
"Huehuehue brown ppl bad"
JonTron: "whites will become the minority"
Destiny "why does that matter?"
JonTron "ITS TRUE LOOK IT UP!"
I mean, it's only natural to want to preserve your genes...
@@vario6492 Yes it’s natural to want to pass down your genes, but it’s not natural to cherry-pick groups that you can pass down your genes based on race, that is manufactured by our society.
@@vario6492 Fuck off back to 2017.
@Luck Genuine Lightning b-b-but they look different, it's scary and stuff!!1!
The only reason it matters is because whites don’t want to suffer the same fate as the minorities they have oppressed all this time
"Black people are disproportionately targeted, this is why BLM exists"
"Boy, I sure wish I lived in your Utopia"
10 min later
"If you don't think we've gotten rid of discrimination, you're living in a fantasy land"
The mental gymnastics
You see this kind of behavior in people who clearly have no clue what the fuck they are saying and just go through their 4chan bullet points when one fails(which they are incapable of acknowledging as a failure)
Jon makes stupid claim
Destiny refutes claims
Jon laughs, huffs copium
Jumps into next point
🔄 repeat
Jontron is trying to argue that the US should be a white majority country without saying anything racist. Watch him squirm
😂
@@bigrooster9794 Why? 😎
@@bigrooster9794 At least your proud to be racist buddy
Legitimately curious... you got a timestamp?
No he really wasn’t really at all leave jon alone you dick
@@theheadbanger6685 He chose to enter a debate, should we not criticize his points?
Kid is mixed race, argues against mixing races.
Race mixing is the worse thing you can do to a child
hes not mixed race you absolute troglodyte. iranians are white, the word aryan comes from iran. if you saw a picture of him youd 100% think hes white.
Kafferlord nah we hate assholes who judge people by their fucking skin color.
@@mihalygorog3398 one look at Iran's president; they're not all white my negus.
@@whendidyoutubeaddhandles he could easily pass off as an italian or a spaniard
God rewatching this its so obvious how insecure he is about his mixed race heritage
Ever since this debate I truly can’t appreciate JonTron’s videos anymore 😤😩
Oh well, he's still getting millions off views regardless. But overwriting the western world, not a flagrant foul in your book, got it....
@@IllumirageThat's odd. Why do you believe those like JonTron being born non white is overwriting the western world?
@@regisglass5464 Jon is white, yes. Much like everyone called Barack Obama black, even though he was half white.
@@Illumirage exactly, as you noted both JonTron and Obama are half white, and you state JonTron is white, doesn't that mean Obama is white too?
Or is the literal fear you have about colors?
@@regisglass5464 no they both are mixes. But ppl tend to identify more with the side they look more like. We've been over this dozens of times. Are you American regis? Are you white?
I've heard about this debate for a while but never got around to watching it, and holy shit it's worse than I thought. He's genuinely clueless. It's insane to me that Destiny will say an actual fact backed by statistics and Jontron has a knee-jerk reaction to it and says "I don't buy into that." He's so delusional.
Yagot I know, right? Destiny rips him a new bootiehole.
what's wrong with a person not wanting to people like him to disappear?
@@Illumirage because it's not a real issue
@@Argi1000 career demographers say otherwise there sport. But no ill take you who has zero background in that field over people whose career revolves around this....
@@Illumirage Yeah, cuz your "career demographers" are equally reliable.
love him bringing up Japan lol I love living here but u don't wanna know how many jobs and apartments I've been denied cause I'm a foreigner. model society, my ass
you have to remember Japan is a homogeneous society, even tho the last 15-20 years people in Tokyo are kinda used to tourists/foreigners, a lot still dont want to live/associate with foreigners.
@@wais_45 yeah I know that. Japan is not a good example for a good working homogeneous society. Birth rates are declining, society is getting too old, Japanese don't want to do blue collar jobs so they made a special Visa for foreigners to do unskilled work.
Japan and it's supporters often praise how homogeneous the country is and how it should stay like this. But doesn't look like it would be working out without immigrants.
Also, not being used to foreigners shouldn't make xenophobia ok.
Sorry for the ranting. But actually I was looking for work in Tokyo and hat tons of companies not wanting to hire foreigners here too.
@@wais_45 really sorry for the rant. I actually think we're agreeing lol
A.R.M.Yバネッサ no it’s fine I completely agree. Japan definitely isn’t a perfect example and on top of that they’re economy hasn’t really grown in the last 20 years. Immigration definitely helps any type of economy but not sure how countries like Japan would welcome that since they’re homogenous. All those factors you highlighted exist and I agree.
@Steven Farmer thanks for the reply! They dont show you apartments or have policies to not hire foreigners. Everyone knows. It's not a big taboo, just how things go.
I got an awesome job btw no worries about me ;)
“Race traitor,” what the hell
Regis Glas vs Illumirage the eternal battle goes on, an unstoppable force meeting an immovable object.
I feel oddly flattered
lol
@@regisglass5464why would you feel flattered about a comment like that? Serious/ genuine question?
Because it strikes me as arguing for the sake of attention/arguing to be flattered by a comment calling attention to how long you’ve been doing it 😂
@@CoercedJab that's not inaccurate
I watched a video by xanderhal who explains how he went down the alt right rabbit hole which directed me to this video and now my whole world is upside down. I didn’t notice these things I deemed as meme or just a fact were so dangerous. I feel like I don’t even know how to proceed with life. Even then I don’t think I was ever as fucked as JonTron lmao. This was years ago so hopefully he’s changed
Considering Jon hasn’t said anything about the BLM protests except that he misses grilling. This would’ve been a perfect chance to show he changed but he hasn’t said anything.
@@Prodigi50 but at least he's a little bit more centrist
I came from that same video
i came straight from there too!
@@lyricbarnik1557 I was always under the impression that Jon Tron was always attacked unreasonably, like PewDiePie being called a Nazi, but no JonTron is literally saying an enthostate is desirable yikes.
Since it's apparently debate-hour, I'm just gonna go ahead and make my case:
Jon really should have told Arin how to land on the platform.
Now that is a vintage meme.
This needs to be the #1 thumbs-up'd comment
Chains Magoo Its no use!!!
disliked. They both had the same amount of time to learn the damn mechanics, Jon just figured it out quicker. You see it all the time on Game Grumps, where Arin doesn't just try all of the fucking buttons and runs around like a dumbass. It's his damn fault he didn't figure it out.
I'm reading "Jnmaniaci" but all I see is "The Fun Police"
This was way, way worse than I remembered. Jesus christ dude
Yeah, I was one of the people defending JonTron when this first happened because I just saw clips, but then years later I watched the entire thing and the extent of how bad it was shocked me.
this debate makes me wonder if jontron ever took a US history class in high school. literally everyone who had a high school education remembers that Irish and German immigrants were descriminated against in the early 1800's. like the propaganda signs are in all our textbooks saying things like "Irish need not apply." and even if he doesn't know that and couldn't pass a history class, it's so easy just to google it.
I can tell you haven't read a single book because of the unnecessary word, "literally" is part of your terrible vernacularity.
I hate when JonTron nervously laughs and just says “cmon man...” it’s like he’s saying “cmon, just be racist like me”
That's the Sargon laugh. Fuck, Soygon has poisoned so many brains.
Does that nervous laugh and predictable line apply to Joe Biden as well?
@@willfarkas2445 Yes, it does. Biden is truly disgusting, but at least he's not mister quasi fascist.
@@DUWANGlai_kangyi cringe take smh
@@willfarkas2445 So do you prefer to have Trump as your president? How masochistic.
destiny: *states statistic*
jon tron: i don't subscribe to that.
rash s u say destiny states statistics yet he said communism was an "economic" movement?
The Berg what?
rash s yea destiny says that communism is an economic movement
No
@@theberg2035 Communism IS an ecbomic system first and foremost. I think you're conflalating communism with Leninism, Stalinism and all their spin offs. I'm not saying that in practice communism hasn't been political but it's origins lie in economics.
I fucking love that Jontron pulled out the 13/50 FBI statistics. He was itching to pull that out the whole debate.
Not wrong though
@@Illumirage He is wrong actually. Once you take poverty into consideration, there is no difference in crime rate.
@@laurentiuvladutmanea3622 I'm going strictly by statistics. Cope.
@@laurentiuvladutmanea3622 exactly! Skin color has nothing to do with a person commuting a crime. It has to do with class.
@@laurentiuvladutmanea3622hahahahaha. Go listen to a rap song
things to say when you have no arguments:
tribalism
but japan?
but europe?
they are calling me racist
we are living in a political paradigm
Jon, man, I can’t defend you. This came off as racist, incredibly so.
DabbingSquidward sure? Somebody is still allowed to leave a comment.
@@code8825 racist? How? White people wanting countries with other white people in them is racist?
Damien INSANE-O why does race matter?
@@notacop1067 why doesn't it matter?
Damien INSANE-O but why does it matter
Also, Mexico was settled and colonized by Spain, a European country.
Most Mexicans are part European.
AbyssalDrake yeah but it’s mostly made up of Aztec descendants surprisely
@@jasonhill2879 last comprehensive study said the avg Mexican is 35% European 65% Native American.
juan Jones yeah that’s what’s funny about it
@@jasonhill2879 it's a beautiful thing my brother. USA is on the same path.
The weirdest thing about all this is someone with a parent from Iran is talking about what it means to be a white american….
this was a weird episode of game grumps
Me before rewatching this: Yeah, Jon said some cringey stuff but it wasn't thaaat bad.
Me ten minutes into the video: 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
Cringy as fuck for destiny. He talks about genocide so flippantly.
@@Illumirage i am confused. Why is minorities having more coitus mean a genocide is occurring?
@KA Europeans, just wh!te people in general.
@@Illumirage Where and when did he do that?
I don't think you've actually seen the video because he obviously never said anything like that.
@@butte5359 We've already discussed this on maybe 20 different threads Butte. I'm not sure why I give you an answer and you keep asking the same question. It's almost as if you belong in a straitjacket or something. Are you familiar with the definition of insanity? "trying the same thing over and over and expecting a different result". Why do you keep asking me the same question over and over for months on end?
Destiny: "What's wrong with white people becoming a minority?"
JonTron: "LOL CMON MAN LOL YOU KNOW LOL"
Notorious1441 “HUEHEUE BRO”
Jontron is that u
@Spectator white people even get the nice version of "genocide" where nobody dies. Who said white privilege isn't a thing?
@@commenting000 is africa europe? No. Africa is not our home and there, we are the invaders. Did you forget that colonislism only ended about 50 to 40 years ago?
+Aron Johansson
Yeah; it's okay to take farms from white people and possibly start something like genocide on no base but the fact that their skin colour is different: That's not racist at all! Oh wait...
It still kills me his last name is "Jafari" and he thinks the way he does. 😑 Shit makes no sense. Please stay in obscurity.
JonTron was like this? I get it now, my god
*Destiny:* "Ok - lets nail down on one problem specifically"
*JonTron:* "Dude, stop jumping all over the place!"
*JonTron:* "You hear about this other Country?"
*FOR TWO HOURS.*
Kafferlord because it’s not the white peoples country it’s the Americans country
Jontron clearly didnt do his research. only believes memes on 4chan /pol/
Yes
Probably 8chan too.
Yeah probably. I had exactly the same views as him before after just years and years of /pol/ brainwashing. I wanted to debunk Destiny, so I started watching him and started gathering data. Generally it seemed Destiny was right about most things he said it's just our world views were different. I had to question why I had so many views that were racially motivated, it did seem like I was a bit racist. I had to ignore a lot of data to data that I preferred to validate my world view.
Thank Christ Destiny de-radicalized me before I went into the deep end into unironically believing the JQ shit instead of just meme-ing about it like I used to.
@@idontlikeyouyo 👏 im glad you got out. I almost got radicalised into full alt righter too, even though it clearly goes against my interest. Watching a lot of Lauren Southern and others like her, i started slowly radicalising to the point i didnt recognise myself anymore but i still believed it.
It wasn't until my mom got sick and i went through a really traumatic event that i saw the realities i faced and then i started actually reading my assigned readings (before i used to read them just to dismiss them as liberal propaganda) and really finding out that my worldview wasn't substantiated by any real world pheneomena or data. I'm better for it though because i now know for sure why i believe what i believe and i can defend it.
@@idontlikeyouyo sure you did.
“RIP my career” hits different 7 years after the fact
This debate is a pivotal moment in history low key
Why
@@nope4909 popular TH-camr jontron has a bunch of takes that are dismantled by Destiny. At the time, this was revolutionary and therefore it is a pivotal moment in history.
@@JoeBidenFanclub99 agreed
Half-Iranian white supremacists? We're truly living in a special time...
Saran Chan Lol Iran had a Nazi party actually
Word Aryan came from Iran....
Iranians are genetically Caucasian. They were the original Aryans hundreds of thousands years back
@@akumar9270 "Genetically caucasian" makes no sense. Do you mean "genetically white" or "genetically from the Caucuses". The second one isn't true, but the first one doesn't make sense because "whiteness" is just one tiny part of genetics and it's shared by a whole variety of people. Clarify what you're talking about, please. Also, Iranians are a mix of ethnicities with very diverse backgrounds. You've got Azerbaijanis, Persians, Kurds, Turks, etc. The one genetic ancestral group they all share is the same one all Europeans and Asians share, the Indo-Europeans. Horseback people who came out of the steppes thousands of years ago and spread across Eurasia. The original occupants of Asia are now only found on remote islands like North Sentinel island, where that Missionary was killed recently for trying to invade. Those people have defended that island against Indo-Europeans and their descendents for literally thousands of years and that's the only reason they're still here. All Europeans, Arabs, Asians, South-Asians, etc came from the same tribe only a few thousand years ago, our differences are really small and cosmetic; epicanthic eyes, higher cheekbones, slight variations in iris color, little stuff like that. Those differences evolved relatively recently, within the last few thousand years. "White people" are only "white" to gain as much vitamin D as possible from the limited amount of sunlight available at northern climates. It's not a trait that indicates much other than that, east Asians are also white, but with epicanthic folds (which European white people also get sometimes). Like I said, we're all part of the same tribe that took over Eurasia. That tribe is best known for killing and conquering and, what do you know, its ancestors are carrying on the family legacy. It's interesting to me that JonTron thinks it's black people who are genetically more aggressive. I don't remember Africans invading and slaughtering another continent for profit.
@@ashesmandalay1762 he meant Persians are white
I am amazed... this dude goes full on racist with that gene pool comment lmao.
Few racists think of themselves as such. They think they are just “telling it like it is.”
@@dkupke Whats wrong? Do YoU JUsT haTE FacTS?
Passion of the Crust what facts? All I hear 13/50 with the only explanation being prehistoric African warrior genes not the multiple gang wars going on because people have no other way of making money but ok live in delusion if you want
@@danielmoreno-gama5973 Obvious /s
I'm not a white nationalist, but Europe for whites. : 3
JonTron is a giant billboard advertisement for the Dunning-Kruger effect
Is this the JonTron from the YT channel ? Like the funny channel ? How the fuck am I so late to this. This is incredibly sad..
Bot
I like coming back to this. I was practically a fascist 3 years ago. And this is probably the starting point of me turning into a more sane person lmao
That’s awesome! Good for you!
"fascist" LOLOL
So now you're full on antifa anti-America hating commie. Well done!!!1!!!11!1
@alvaro.chileno total projection. You've lost touch with reality. And you're a racist.
@Mannech No I just think you're so intolerant that anyone to the right of Karl Marx himself = fascist. Leftists nowadays are some of the most intolerant people on the planet and the vast majority hold more in common with fascists than anyone on the right. Get a grip on reality.
@Mannech _"I think you're assuming a lot here. The left generally doesn't equate the all of what the right incapsulates towards fashism."_
That doesn't make sense, first of all.
I think the modern left, not the old guard left, does in fact not only hate the right, but many straight want us dead and gone. They're beyond intolerant. It's gotten to outright gen0cidal talk.
_"The thing that concerns leftists about right wing is that it often serves as a 'gateway ideology' towards fashism (the youtube right wing echo chamber is a particularly good example of this)."_
There is no less of a pathway to extremism on the left than there is the right. That's a two way street. Quit acting like that's singular to the right cuz it isn't. I would argue there is MORE of a path to extremism on the left, because the left doesn't get called out or banned by YT for their extremism, they're practically applauded. Have you heard some of the shit they're saying? Have you ever watched a Vaush video? The guy is batshit insane. Have you seen the videos of Olly from PhilosophyTube praising antifa, literal domestic terrorists?
_"And I don't think the leftists are really more hostile than the right."_
Are you even vaguely familiar with antifa??????!?!?!?!?!?!
Where have you been the last 4 years? In a coma?
_"Both can be very hostile for sure tho."_
Are you familiar with Willem Van Spronsen?
What about the Ohio antifa shooter?
What about the guy that attempted to kill a conservative congressman on a NY baseball diamond?
I have so many examples you'd probably faint after reading them.
You have tunnel vision because the news doesn't report your mistakes, and you hear about the fewer by volume mistakes the people on the right make for months on end....
You have no argument here.
52:10 Somehow Jon forgets that Europeans colonized Mexico. The reason they speak Spanish might have something to do with that. Canada was colonized by Europeans. The USA was colonized by Europeans. Mexico was colonized by Europeans.
yes but Mexico has a lot more browns and Jon's half-iranian white nationalist self doesn't like that
@@loannebhold brown man bad
His head would have probably exploded if someone told him Europeans also colonized Africa...
@@bflaves123 "I don't subscribe to that"
@@loannebhold iran's are kinda of white just cause there hairy does't mean they changed race
Me and My best friend Damian are Latino. We met when we didn't have many friends because we both liked Jon Tron and would watch his videos in school. It was such a happy time that now seeing who Jontron really is, it hurts.
Bot comment
'What do you think about Mexicans?'
"Uhh, hehe I don't want to get into that"
JT came into this thinking all white people think like him but are just in denial. Cause he seems to refuse to answer a lot of questions and laughs like D is being purposefully obtuse. It's like no dude, what do you mean? What do you actually want? Say it with your chest bro
As a German, calling yourself "European" is not unheard of, but it is never used to identify yourself culturally in a normal day context, it is almost always used to make a political statement.
I call myself Scandinavian or European depending on the context. Idk if I'm either since I'm Finnish
Yeah us English never ever call ourselves European and I don’t think we ever will. We always refer to ourselves as English, British and such. When an English calls themselves a European it’s pretty much always an EU supporter who does it.
yeah that's what I thought. Jon's ridiculously racist views backfired in his face.
jonny is a semite to boot, this is like the kramer incident but for gamers
@@pestilenssi8979 youre not scandinavian, but European. Finnish people are part of the Nordics, but not Scandinavia as scandinavian denotes the scandinavian root of the danish, Norwegian and Swedish language , which Finland doesn't share :)
Yeesh, if only Jon had flex tape to seal up the holes in his arguements.
People might still respect him
@@cynical8330 he's getting more views than ever. funny how you totally excuse destiny's racism though...
You’re the hundredth person to say that, you all are sheep.
@@Illumirage wait, Destiny's racism?
@@Illumirage There is no racism from Destiny smoothbrain, I'm black and have followed Destiny since the beginning before politics, you sound like a racist excuser that's using the classic yet pathetic "but he is doing it too!" excuse.
I really did not want to be disgusted by jontron. He made that nearly impossible with his blatant bigotry. How can anyone enjoy his content after he spews this racial supremacy? It feels like such a deception. He portrays himself as this cuddly goofball but he harbors such revolting views of people and the world.
racial supremacy = not wanting your home country flooded with foreigners? you've lost touch with reality
@@Illumirage i am puzzled by this. Why do you believe those like jontron being born is destroying the country?
@@regisglass5464 I didn't, bot
@@Illumirage then i thank you for agreeing jontron was mistaken that those like him being born harm the country.
@@regisglass5464 Jon is white
First time watching this, I've never had my admiration for someone drop faster than it has now. Jesus JonTron haha
JonTron’s research for this debate was an argument in the comment section of a Sargon video
Not a bad source, I used it in my masters thesis
@@keepwhiningtankies3594 POV: you failed your thesis
@@keepwhiningtankies3594
This has to be satire
@@Perseus115 lmao
Because he’s making objectively correct assertions. But he’s arguing against someone like destiny who is a grifter at best and an ideological optics juggler at worst.
I like how one of jons talking points is: "You're saying white americans discriminated against irish people, look how white they are." Do none of these people know basic middle school grade history?
Asking a racist about history is almost always good for a laugh.
nope. they sure don't! they also hate reading, absolutely hate it. if it's not on youtube or bitchute they don't have time, and who can blame them?
they don't understand that whiteness is a construct which has boundaries that shift over time
Tbh they never taught that stuff in school. I didn’t learn about white immigrants being discriminated against in America until I was an adult. And I didn’t learn about the “white n****r” thing until…..today
To be fair, Twitter and most people nowadays have a thing that's like "well they must be white because they aren't Latino, black, or Asian" lmao
Jontron clearly doesn't have any friends to warn him that doing something like this would be a HORRIBLE idea. Embarrassing.
Obviously, he lost his old friend Arin because of his chudacity. Not to be confused with Dinocity.
Illumirage made more than 1k comments here. That’s unironically mentally insane. I hope he gets the help he needs.
Not 1 ill word about regis though. Who has posted 7x as many. Telling...
@@Illumirage I mean it’s a problem, but at least he’s right about the things he says, unlike you lol
@@darkdragon5520 no. He isn't
@@Illumirage Of course you’d say that, you’ve been stuck commenting the same thing over and over and over for years without doubting yourself.
Funny you bring up the mental illness part. This coming from a supposed left leaning person, you know, the ideology and party of tolerance and inclusion? But when you disagree with someone it's an insult. Nice.
I think my comment count is more of an indictment of destiny's fanbase than me. They won't stop responding. They all think they're God's gift to debate, are petty and disingenuous like destiny is. I don't want to be here . But they keep responding anyway...