The Incredible Evolution of F1 Tyres
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 29 ก.ย. 2024
- So Formula 1 tyres have changed a lot, from skinny radials on the first Grand Prix cars, to slicks, then grooved, then back to slicks again. The performance improvement has been enormous, where today - the tyres continually (well kinda) support the car at speed of 200 miles per hour and pull up to 6G on the brakes.
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So for this episode of Track Evolution, I’m going to take you from the 50s to today and z
explain what’s changed and why the tyres have continually caused arguments.
Right, so in the 50s they did tyres the old-school way. Skinny, treaded tyres with a relatively simple construction. And really, they weren’t much different from the tyres you would see on a modern mountain bike.
They were supplied by a whole bunch of manufacturers, people like Pirelli, Firestone, Dunlop and Englebert. But if you take a look at the stats, Pirelli were a class above the rest - taking way more wins and podiums.
This was apparently due to them being both faster AND lasting longer - that seems strange to hear as a current F1 fan - but we’ll get to that.
The fronts and the rears were the same size, in both diameter and width - so the cars really didn’t have a whole lot of grip.
Taking a corner was kind of the case of cranking on a whole lot of steering lock, then just waiting for the understeer to end. Typically they would then get on the power and turn the understeer into oversteer - honestly, they were drifting for a lot of the lap.
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you can tell me what you want, but those early 2000s f1 cars with the grooved tires, smaller and narrower body and screaming v10... they are the embodiment and peak of f1 and its looks
Totally agree
I would say the 1990 cars like ferrari and McLaren were like the ideal look of f1.
The cars from 1998 - 2008 were beautiful.
Agreed! That was the era I definitely enjoyed the most 😎👌🏾
Those cars are the embodiment of what f1 should be again. Move the electric crap over to Fe and shrink them again.
I'm super ready for 2022 season
Don't like the new guy, he said rubbish about modern mtb tires..
I think it's worth noting that the transition from threaded tires to slicks in the early 70s wasn't so smooth, in fact back then in the very early days of slicks, drivers often complained how 'snappy' and 'peaky' the tires were as the drivers were used to long lazy slides of older threaded tires.
Merry christmas 2021 donat prodan.
Nice to see Scott's son having a go at hosting, what a nice Christmas present from his dad. Didn't he do well too!
Really?
Scott doesn't look old enough for a son this age.
Damn!! Good on you man!!!
Hahahaha no I'm not Scott's son!
That’s his son!?
He's not Scott's son lol, Scott just getting married,he still a fresh husband:v And he's does not have Mansell name in his name:v
Bruh fake news
Corrections Pirelli did not remove the grooved tyres when they re-entered F1 in 2011 it was Bridgestone who removed the grooves on the tyres in 2009. Also the 2022 cars will have 18 inch diameter wheels not tyres, the tyres will be more like 22 inches in diameter.
They even showed a 2009 Brawn on slick Bridgestones...
Tyres like wheels are measured across the wheel diameter, thus it is correct to say that in 2022 F1 tyres will indeed be of 18 inch diameter. Andy is referring to another measurement which is the tyres overall diameter.
I have a BURNING question:
Classic, vintage, and historic race cars that wear slicks or those old squiggly treaded tires and are used for historic races... are the tires on those cars of a superior compound and capability than their original time period counterparts, thereby making the car much faster, or are the tires engineered to behave like tire technology of the era of the car?
Take what I'm saying with a grain of salt but I think I remember of at least one tyre company (I think continental) that produces tyres identical to the historical spec
From this video (@1m50) th-cam.com/video/mXgWWNJVdYA/w-d-xo.html it appears that Pirelli has updated the compounds and construction of their "classic rally" tyres at least
It would depend on the rules of the historic series you enter. You can buy both exact ply/compound/tread replicas, completely modern ply/compound/tread tyres just with vintage looking logos on the sidewall, and everything between.
@@Jonathan_Doe_ So this means at least one tire manufacture makes tires that fit historic race car wheels and have nowhere near the modern day performance of today's tires, yes? Meaning, they basically deliberately "hold back."
@@gregorymarsh9504 Basically yes. But it’s probably safer on really old cars. Their wheel bearings/suspension parts/chassis probably couldn’t handle the extra loads of actually gripping instead of just sliding. Also the centre high of gravity of the older F1 cars would make it especially dangerous if they didn’t slide slightly through corners.
I prefer the cars with the front wings between the tyres not so wide that they cover the tyres - I think the smaller wing encouraged people to poke the car's nose into gaps more as there was less risk of aero damage
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@@mikeymasi no i think he shaved
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Let the teams choose the 3 compunds they want to use for each race. It would add an interesting strategy aspect. Imagine RB going for C1, C2 and C5 an Merc opting for C2, C3 and C4. Or some other crazy
thatsssss mah friend a great crazy idea
@MAAHAQQ strategy is strategy
Frankly that would make F1 a lot harder to follow bcz everytime someone is battling someone you gotta look for their tyre type.
@MAAHAQQ Except that maybe Pirelli bring all 5 dry tyres to the race weekend and rename them back to Ultras, Hypers instead of C1 C2 etc. and let the teams have the freedom to choose what tyres they want. There is no limitation on you have to start the race on that Q2 tyre, none of that. All teams can choose whatever tyres they want to quali and start the race with.
@MAAHAQQ Well if unused save them for the next race then. In an entire season all 5 types of tyres will definitely be used Its not like the unused tyres have very little lifespan. And what is your problem with Pirelli?
One of the best series' on TH-cam. Excited to watch!
@Leyu Vanim bruh wtf no
Probably a unpopular opinion but the 2013 Tyre model was brilliant obviously the puncture was annoying but having 3 stops was a much better then 1 stop Tyre strategies that we have a lot of times now and since refueling isn't allowed in f1 Tyres that last very short make the races entertaining
If you think pit stops make racing exciting I really don't know what to say. For ne it's cars battling on tge rdack not gaving to worry about ture ware alliwingvtgem to give it their all.for me the best tires were the grooved. They alliwed the drivers to shiw what they had. Tge tires of today gave turned F1 into a tire endurance series.
I think 2 stops AAND you can only use soft tyres that would be interesting because you can go all out but yet still have to get to the Pitstone window so all out racing but still have to be a bit carefull
@@thearsenalmisfit2414 You good?
6:17
"I was racing in ex F1 cars in Boss GP"
Reminds me of a certain F2 driver.
😏 its lord mahaveer
Cant make a f1 video about tyres without mentioning US 2005 😂😂😂
Bono: Where are your tyres?
Lewis: Gone. Reduced to atoms.
I used the tyres to destroy the tyres
@a b *pssstt* They're not trash talking Lewis, it's just a joke and a great one at that if you understand the two references he's making
@a b It’s just a reference to Lewis’s classic “Bono, my tires are gone” with a brilliant tie-in to Avengers Endgame but okay, keep going on thinking it’s disrespectful to him because you can’t take a joke
@ab HOW DOES IT FEEL LIKE BEING A FAILURE
WELL NOT YOU BUT LEWIS
F1: Pirelli please make shit tyres that degrade really fast.
Pirelli: We are the experts.
Pirelli tires are like bubble gum
"In [F1] your tires were twice as big and your car weighed half as much, now your car weighs twice as much and tires are half as wide" Days of thunder
Question what year did the 1 set of tires rule for the whole race start and end?
The last time was 2005 only
F1 needs to stop regulating so strictly. The whole idea of the sport is that it is the pinnacle of engineering, but the teams are so limited. The teams should be able to use a variety of engines, more varied aero packages, etc
That might price teams to where there are not enough cars on the field. And theres the speed/danger factor. But yea, the regs require 'MIT' engineers just to 'go'..
first safety reason second efficiency reason t
Its a 'formula' its always been controlled. the more money that came in the more control was needed. There would be no F1 without limitations. Thats not even 'pinnacle' - real engineering genius is when funds are limited aswell as the rules
The problem partly is parity in racing to make it entertaining, and second they can engineer cars and tires that are beyond the limits of drivers G-Force limitations.
*CONTACT PATCH AREA* does not directly affect grip on most tires. Coefficient of friction does NOT have "area" in the equation [μ = F/N, where F is the frictional force and N is the normal force]
The smaller the contact patch the higher the contact pressure exerted by N so it cancels out. A larger contact path makes the tire LAST LONGER as it spreads the wear over a larger area. Also on super sticky compounds that are actually adhering to the road surface contact path does increase grip.
"Reduced the weight by 5kg per tyre" that's bonkers!!!
What
Per corner?
You mean tire?
@@ydewit5597 you mean tyre
@@ydewit5597 tyre
noun
a rubber covering, typically inflated or surrounding an inflated inner tube, placed round a wheel to form a soft contact with the road
This guy’s really lovely and interesting but a driver 61 video without Scott is like an F1 race without Kimi
This is his son (I read in another comment)
@@agrapanambunan5288 it isn't lmfao 😂
@@agrapanambunan5288 bruh you've been played
Id love to see the evolution of f1 seating positions. Im planning on replicating the 70’s through 80’s seating positions once i get a sim rig however everywhere i look its either a GT, upright position or knees eye level f1 position and never the in between.
0:04 when the world's fastest cars rocked positive camber...
glad to live in the most current time available
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"Hamilton's tyre left the chat" 🤣
Love the new presenter 👍
Oooo, is someone on their honeymoon? Haha Congrats again to Driver61. New fella ain't so bad either.
Edit: Nvm, there is Scotties face =]
Modern grooved tyres were not really an "evolution", but an attempt to level the field because M. Schumacher was running away with the deal. Grooved tyres were ultimately a retrogress.
Bro, at first I’m like what happened to you! 😂
I’m super excited about the banning of tire blankets. It is a transfer of responsibility from pit crew to driver and I always like to see things go that direction.
The 2010 race in Motreal was one of the worst things that has happened to F1 as far as development is concerned. In a 1 off race that was not the norm there whole series was transformed from the peak of car and engine development into a Tire endurance series where the dars actually cannot complete a race as quickly as they did in 2004. The Imola race winnier in 2004 completed the race quicker dispite the fact he had to negotiate an extra chicane every lap costing him a second a lap. He was able to go flat out yhe whole race where as today it's all about looking after the tires.
We have not see a truly epic drive since Schumacher's France 2004 win and never will until SRS us gone and the tires can be pushed to the limit for more than 3 laps in a row and god help you if your trying to follow someone to make a pass as this increases the wear rate. That makes racing real exciting as the following car has to give up as he has no grip left.
That last sentence, sarcasm? If not, where's the excitement if the pursuing car has to give up due to tear wear when it gets close?
An NFT disguised as "shares of a piece of art" wild
damn he changed
Please include KPH in the video, it is really frustrating for us the rest of the world to stop your video to google how fast is 160MPH to KPH :(
The old car looks like a go kart compared to modern ones
The Tyre width of the 2021 F1 car is like 1/2 the length of the entire 1949 F1 car .
Only watch this channel very occasionally. When Scott said his second name, I had to Google, just to check… no.
What time is it?
If he was related, you mean?
@@extragoogleaccount6061 no when did the first presenter not sure what his name is say his second name in the video
Rears were sometimes, though not always, wider in the 1950s IIRC.
I keep hearing things like: greater contact patch = more grip
But there is no "area" in this equations.
Friction equals force times coefficient (material related, not contact area).
It's very misleading to simplify it this way.
Big tires are all about heat, not friction.
The brainchild behind the grooved tyres must had too much to drink to come up with such a crap idea. There are many things to decrease cornering speed then to have grooves. If not for the publicity and media coverage, other motorsports like drag racing, rallycross and Pike's peak will have more followers of the same interest. F1 is drifting away from racing to entertainment.
Many people mods their car heavily, making it undriveable on the road with stiff suspension, noisy exhaust, agressive engine maps... but they go to the track with road tyres. Best way to improve track time, without butchering a perfectly fine car, is to change the tyres.
If there's one thing I've noticed from watching people talk about sports, it's that the corporate overlords who run everything are some of the most out of touch, callous, and universally hated people on earth.
Pleaseeeeee do a video of how good max and Lewis are and why they are always ahead of the field by 20 secs each race 🙏🙏🙏🙏
So basically like in rally when it started it was all about the passion of racing as fast as possible no matter what,it was all about breaking the limits and setting new standards,then higherups with huge influence and money decide when and what happens and how long the damn tires can last XD,its sickening honestly,i know some regulations are there for safety yes but still some are there just to create "a more exciting show" like when Pirelli was forced ot make tires that last less in order for the drivers to make more pit stops and the predictible outcome of a race to be more random -_-
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@@ieatchickens I know but this isn’t the usual guy.. hence why I said driver 16
@@VivatChristusRex99 oh sorry
Pirelli didn't remove the grooves in 2011 when they got the contract. Bridgestone a were running slicks in 2010. Idk about seasons before then, but pirelli didn't not bring or reintroduce slicks to F1 in 2011
Exactly. He even said it, but then changed it a few seconds later 🤦🏻♂️. Slick tires were reintroduced in 2009, the year Bridgestone said they were stepping out, but they stayed on that year, so F1 had Bridgestone slick tires on that year
Metric system, please! Love you guys
Go outside and look at the rims and tires on your vehicle. Metric rims and tires (diameter) failed in Europe back in the 80's.
Section width (mm)/sidewall ratio(%)-rim diameter (in) is standard passenger car tire sizing
I'm all for the wheel covers. But also can we not? Coz those wheels look sick on that alpine
excuse me, am i the only one who doesn't know this new guy? don't get me wrong. no issue. i'm just confused 😕
The tyre blanket really was a great breakthrough.
@MAAHAQQ a necessary one
I don’t really understand why the tyres aren’t built with the tread getting progressively harder (and thus less grippy) the further worn they are => less chance of them giving up, because they wear more slowly in the end, but a more dramatic falloff in performance which will force your hand in regards to strategy if you want to keep up.
Is there more of that Coulthard interview? Podcast somewhere or something?
I'll save you 13 minutes, M O N E Y.
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No comments made in this vid concerning the introduction of the radial tyre to F1 in 1977 and then with Ferrari adopting this technology in 1978. The radial was so successful that Jody Scheckter and Gilles Villeneuve went on to come 1st and 2nd in the 1979 Drivers Championship for Ferrari thus ending Goodyear's dominance.
Is that Monaco at 4:04? Man we were insane back then
Yup it is
I never really looked into the science of the move to grooves. I gotta do that some time.
@MAAHAQQ if u dont mind me asking, why did they want less grip for cornering? For better racing?
The 2005 GP remains an utter disgrace and the most embarrassing display in F1.
The 2020s tyres had much worse tyre life than 1990s.
Interesting video, but there are few physics errors. I will mention one, to avoid nit-picking:
Tyre speed versus airflow. The tyre describes a cycloid in relation to the ground, unless there is pure wheelspin. That means the top of the tyre is doing 200mph, when the car is travelling at 100mph.
The bottom of the tyre, directly below the axle, is doing ZERO mph.
That's part of what makes life so hard for tyres, they accelerate and decelerate on every rotation.
Can you elaborate on how relation of airspeed on different sections of a tyre degrades it? My common sense tells me that that effect is but a small fraction of the wear that a firm contact with the ground creates.
Do you have a source to back up your claim about changing airspeed affecting tyre lifetime?
@@Kolja1987 what? I didn't make any claim.
Your last paragraph seems to imply that the airflow would somehow impact the tyre life. If so, I'm looking to learn more, it's an interesting topic.
Or did I misunderstand?
@@Kolja1987 No, look up "cycloid". The stress on the tyre is structural, the acceleration experienced by the tyre is ongoing.
Consider also that only the very middle of the contact patch is stationary. Just ahead and just behind, where there is still contact with the road, the tyre is being dragged.
That wears the tread.
The repeated acceleration leads to fatigue failure in the tyre carcass.
@@Setright Year late to the party but...
If we were to fix a single point to a tyre and map it's travel, it would prescribe a kind of 'W' shape? My initial thought was of the number of G's that point would be doing but you said it also decelerates as well, correct?
So it's proabably not as high as my inner child wants it to be.
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It wasn’t Pirelli that removed the grooves from the tyres… it was still Bridgestone that did that and it was because the FIA changed the rules to get rid of the grooves
In '61 the drivers were fat and the tires were skinny; now the drivers are skinny and the tires are fat. It all works out in the end.
lmao what an NFT shill
Luddite
FYI increasing the size of the tyre doesn't automatically increase the contact patch. In fact for the same weight of car, if everything else remains constant, then increasing tyre width only changes the SHAPE, and not the SIZE of the contact patch. The contact patch is determined by the tyres pressure. As all the weight is resting on the tyres, you can calculate the contact patch by the weight of the car divided by the pressure of the tyre (this gives you the total of all 4), or the axle weight divided by the pressure divided by two will give you the contact patch for each tyre per axle.
i.e. current F1 cars are about 908kg with full fuel load and driver. The tyres run an average of 22.5psi or 155.1kPa, giving you about 573cm^2 (88.8 sqin) of contact patch total or 143cm^2 (22.2 sqin) per tyre (avg) With a rear tyre width of 40.5cm, that means the contact patch is approx the width of the tyre, with a length of 3.5cm (1-3/8").
What increasing the width of the tyre means is you can run lower pressures, and thus have a higher contact area with the same deformation of the side wall, that on a thinner tyre would result in too much sidewall deformation under the weight of the car
Nelson Piquet came up with the idea of warming up the tyres while racing F3, especially in cold climates. Except back then, in 1976 and 77 he hadn't considered electric blankets yet, so the solution was to place the entire car inside a metal container, and heat the container with a large industrial propane heater, so at the starting line, the whole car would be boiling hot!
The 2 or 3 stop races were awesome to be honest, it's a shame the tyres were being destroyed. However I wish F1 let all 5 compounds be used in a race, would be interesting in terms of strategy
Hey man, i really like your videos, but there is guy on a russian segment of youtube who just steal video sequence and translate your speech with 100% accuracy and he doesn’t give a credit for any authors
He confident that its his work and he steal videos from other top english youtubers
His name is Клоун из Феррари (Clown from ferrari)
I am all for innovative ideas in F1, but... in this day and age of environmental awareness, and people like Hamilton and Vettel vouching for a "greener F1", perhaps this is time to create a new rule where warming up tyres is no longer allowed, and all tyres would have to be at "room temperature", so drivers had to manage the cold tyres, and warm them up on the track. Imagine of every time a car pitted, and left with cold tyres? Game changer,and excitement guaranteed! I believe we would all be shocked to learn the footprint and electrical bill of the yearly usage of all tyre blankets for the 10 teams.
If this video was produced in 2020, I would agree, the 2005 USGP was the world's most boring race. I'm looking at you 2021 Belgian GP!
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Pirelli weren't responsible for removing the grooves - Bridgestone, in their final 2 years in 2009-10, ran slicks as well. It was the years of the most boring strategies in history, pitting from options within 5 laps and doing the rest of the race on primes.
MTB tires are not radials and have tread patterns for loose ground, so the comparison at the beginning of the video is nonsense.
Unfortunately, bicycle tire manufacturers as yet are still too lazy to finally explore the advantages of radial tires.
Where is driver61
Scott returns at 5:44 if anyone else is wondering
10:03 please stop with this trend of ultra fast disappearing phrases. One both has to look at the screen to be aware of them since they're not accompanied by any kind of sound, and they disappear too quickly and it's a pain to rewind in particular if one's watching by casting videos on the tv.
Medium tires are boring! Int, C1, C2, C5, for every race, lets mix up those strategies! ;)
Have there been rain/wet tyres before slicks?
Wait, who is this guy. I haven't watched the channel for a while but I missed something.
ahh Scott v2 ! what a legend !
F1 Tire advancements have undoubtedly had more of an affect on faster lap times, than other other car technical improvement. Even with all the current HATE about the current Pirelli F1 tires.
The very latest F1 tire advancements, very much seems to advantaged 1 driver on the grid unfairly. Max Verstappens Aggressive driving style, has suited the latest tires. Lewis Hamilton and moreso Sebastian Vettel, their styles have not suited the latest compounds. Even Fernando Alonso's recent F1 return, he has struggled with these new tires, with his particular driving style.
My 2 cents.
You have seen Lewis in the last years, haven´t you. He is really able to treat his tyers well and I say that ass an Verstappen Fan. Or look at Seb in Baku this year he would have been in the top six not two because he was so great with his tyers then.
@@marcschulte2510 Yes I have no argument with that. That Lewis is able to conserve his tires, make them last longer, than any other driver on the grid. But whenever he has to "lean" on them during a race (not qualy) he always loses out to Max.
wondering for Automation, did the 50s cars use radials or cross ply?
Thanks for sharing such an informative and entertaining piece!
0:07 "or almost continually" had me spitting my coffee out.
Unfortunately most of your information regarding 1950’s tyres is wrong!
Context context context... smh... take us to the period rather than pointing at history from afar
92 is the last season with fat rear tyres until 2017
The video sponsor is awful but whatever pays the bills I guess.
So with cold tyres they drive it like a normal car because of grip
3:12 Englebert sign. They did actually exist. Lol
when did you race, you couldn't of been very popular
The Grooved Tires was one of F1’s Stupidest ideas ever
Too much advertising to sit through!@#!@@###
Damn dude... looking a few years younger LOL
Cringe nft sponsor
bro has a thumbnail like that and speaks about the tyres
What happened to the regular guy? I like him better
Lost all credibility with opening sentence I quote "skinny radials on first Grand Prix cars". Radial tyre construction was not used in Grand Prix racing until quite recently.
Skinny radials? Nuh-uh... those were diagonal tyres! It wasn't untill 1977 when Michelin introduced the first Radial tyres.
Personally I think the worst thing Pirelli ever did for it's business was become the only tire manufacturer for F1 when the tires were designed to go off after a set period of time.
I was born in 1996, the first F1 race I ever saw start to finish was the 2007 Chinese GP. When I got my first real car in 2018, a 2018 BMW 428i xDrive I negotiated into the deal a new set of tires because it was on Pirelli's.
I had Continental DSW's for the life of that car. I wasn't able to negotiate the same on my latest car, a 2018 Audi A5, and the first thing I want to do this spring, before even getting a paint correction and ceramic coat, is getting it off of the Pirelli's it's got on now, and they were brand new when I bought this car at the start of October.
I tried to not let the bad taste Pirelli left in my mouth as an F1 fan, but in the warmer months at the end of summer they're adequate at best, but once it drops below 55 or 60 degrees (f) they're soooo hard and take awhile to return to normal I really hate the way they feel
Too bad the sups do not simplify these things keeping accidents, win loss-induced failures, by mandating tires that will last longer, and perform well enough. Hard tires. I mean, the cars would still be fast, cornering might be more predictable over all. But as is, they 'thought themselves' into a constant disaster of variables, which equals hight cost, and unpredictability (failures). I understand what Sena meant, when he said he missed cart racing. That Formula one had become a money game (interpetation). I can imagine simpler cars, simpler tires, meant to last longer, but with the safety of modern materials and design.
Boring ? Cheaper ? All I know is every sport becomes rediculous when money equals winning..And winning is enourmous money.