@Arctypeteryx Selihaverem Whataboutism is a classic Soviet era diversion technique. It's a powerful manipulation tool but it's never really an excuse for doing something badly to say that other people do it worse.
When I was in university, a famous Chinese dissident was speaking at forum. There was a translator there, but whenever a non Asian English speaker asked questions, u got sense that the speaker didn't respect or value that question. When my white professor rose to ask, and spoke in perfect intellectual Chinese, the surprise was palpable. The Chinese' ethnocentric culture is embarrassing.
Probably frustrated with how difficult it is to learn their own native language, so they seek to put others down to make themselves feel better about their toil. This can happen with all kinds of things, like jobs and such. It boils down to jealousy. At the root it's just those boring standard moral weaknesses. I guess this can only (or best?) be defeated with love, but with a population size like in China that can surely become an overwhelming and draining endeavor.
i've seen mandarin speaking people making fun of non-mandarin speaking people's accents and they are all chinese, i think it's just the way humans are.
@@momoko7859 You are right unfortunately. We are guilty of it here in the United States. For instance, if you're from the southern states such as Tennessee or Kentucky or Alabama, there is a southern twang. Arkansas and deep Missouri in the Ozarks there is a very distinct, for lack of a better word, hillbilly sort of accent that gets made fun of. Then you have Boston and New Jersey which both have a distinct difference from each other and different from the mid-west or even Hollywood which more similar to one another. The american television stations and movies all have what I guess would be considered as a "normal" accent here. We shouldn't make fun of anyone, but as you stated, it seems to be the way humans are. I failed to mention how we tend to make fun of the accent we get when we order Chinese food at a take out restaurant. We should rise above it.
That article made me laugh , she describes you as bitter , when it is blatantly obvious she is the bitter one. Someone who composes a fairly long article being completely one sided and bringing their emotional attachments into it , vs , someone drinking a beer and casually talking into a camera. it's pretty obvious who is the bitter one , i cannot believe people would be swayed by such nonsense.
They lack any form of media studies in their education system. All press that comes from China - whether an opinion piece or well researched scholarly article - is treated with equal weight when published by the govt. Texts are memorized, not analysed.
I'm Chinese and living in Canada, love ur videos! I grew up in china as a kid and spend alot of my teen and young adult life here so I understand both cultures. I'm very interested on how Westerners think about china. great video as always :D
Unfortunately many westerners think all the Chinese people are slaving away in factory's getting paid something like 10 cent's a day and living with bare minimums in every part of life and absolutely zero privacy, even when using the bathroom. I never see that going on in the video's by serperntza or talked about. If it is going on it must be hidden. Or in other part's of China- not exposed. That is tho what many westerners think.
I personally other than Government related, I think China look's like a awesome place. Cool culture, cool people, nice stuff. So people awesome, culture awesome, life awesome, I just do not like the Chinese Government.
Right now with all that's going on I'm kind of pissed off at China. I was going to travel to China at one point, not now. I had a Chinese friend I was going to visit from Dalian.
Got to say I have a lot of respect for the both of you making these videos. The fact that you are willing to speak your mind and put them out there for all to see is amazing. There is real danger for you to do these videos. Yet you are still willing to put yourself out there for people around the world to see is admirable. Looking forward to another of your videos! Cheers!
I absolutely love how honest you both are when doing your videos. You just tell it how it is. Keep on having fun in China and doing what you love doing.
I find your comments very interesting, but there are times that I will turn off the sound and just watch the video of the country side. The number and type of abandoned buildings you drive past, the quality of the roads, the type of vehicles you encounter, the roadways in the cities and the rural roads. You do a great job of showing what China looks like.
Great video, guys! I have to hand it to you, this is one of the best ideas ever on TH-cam! I have been watching ADVChina for about 3 weeks now, and I don't think a day has gone by that I haven't watched at least one video of yours. And I don't care what anybody says, you guys always put together terrific videos! You are the "Pros from Dover" (that's a MASH TV show humor reference, for us guys who grew up a few years before you did).
There's a common thread, and it's all about POTENTIAL threat to State control. Too famous, or more correctly too, influential. A lot of Countries with say totalitarian regimes for example (and I'm not talking about China), make the classic mistake of pouncing on each and every adverse action or comment. All that happens is they have to devote more and more resources to this policing and the general population just gets pissed off with the regime. Usually resulting in a popular uprising at some point. I think the Chinese authorities are a lot more sophisticated than that, so a certain amount of slack is built into the system. I'ts risk/threat management, not absolute control of everything all the time mentality.
I asked my wife about that being made fun of thing. She said here in the US it happens all the time. Constantly. Her accent, food she eats, eating dog, and all the stupid stereotypes that have been around forever. So I guess some people are assholes no matter what country they come from. It's generally the uneducated, lower class people who have never been out of their own little town or state or village. Haters gon hate!
yea it makes me sick when i hear that racist crap. some of my friends do it back home and i will put them in their place. i think its a bit different in china, imo not as bad. basically they have stereotypes(foreigners are clowns, they can't speak chinese , they can't eat stinky tofu.) and they expect foreigners to live up to them.
Oh she does, usually. She says she smiles and says to her self in Chinese "oh that's what an bastard looks like" LOL.. These insults have nothing to do with you and everything to do with the person saying them.
I agree about haters exist everywhere! :( I am a Chinese Canadian and I grew up in Canada hearing dumb things about the food, driving, etc. I am fortunate to speak English fluently but people always are very shocked that I could even after I tell them I grew up in Canada. Even my ex joked about eating dog - until I joked that yes, I do and I will eat his someday too. ;D
+AchillesSoul Type in "Yellow face movies" in TH-cam and tell me you don't see Western Media making fun of Chinese people. Watch Rush Hour and cringe as Chris Tucker talk slowly. Heck, watch the OSCARS 2016 and see Chris Rock and Sasha Baron Cohen make fun of Asians/Chinese people at a show where they are trying to be racially sensitive towards African-Americans. Ask any Chinese person if they ever feel stereotyped in Western media - it will blow your mind. You only see what you want to see.
Your videos I've watched thus far have convinced me I would never want to live in China, and in every video you have to apologize for complaining. You need to make a video explaining what you DO like about China. All of it, in one video.
Note to anyone who hasn't watched any/many videos: The above comment by Shawn Elliott is not true. Many videos are extremely positive about aspects of Chinese culture, and many are balanced, portraying good vs bad. (WHO KNOWS? Maybe Shawn Elliott is a moron who clicks on only the video titles that sound negative, because he is some kind of drama queen craving negativity... not sure why else he would... BUT ALSO is so dumb he doesn't realize he is doing this, and then portrays his obviously biased and incorrect opinion as fact, and even goes so far as to demand a change... even though more positive videos would seem a contradictory thing for him to request, since it wouldn't help feed his apparent raging anti-china fetish...)
I only regret that Shawn Elliott probably has such a poor mental capacity that he probably won't remember his own words, and thus my response won't be able to help him. At least I can hopefully tell people the truth about the videos, and that they are not only negative and complaining.
I always like before the video begins because if they do the unusual and disappoint or annoy me I can always take it away. Great vids guys. Keep it up! #Fandom.
+Churchill Customs I have been watching both of your channels for some while now, some of the best quality videos I have seen on TH-cam. You guys are great and as is said..."Stay Awesome!"
I'm Chinese-American, thanks so much guys for touring my ancestral home town, rural Guangdong ,big vast open areas green paddy farms w/ the banana leaves tree, endless clear blue skies ontop, the vibe is so laid back and carefree out there, and the smell of gasoline from the bikes. lolThere's some really nice authentic local rural cantonese food there as well (find hard enuff in the smaller restaurants) eg soup noodles. You guys might wanna visit the fishing village areas too (nan ao? Or nan tou? or near Yan tian), since its southern china , the fresh catch seafood there are *AMAZING*. could do an episode on that too!!
the drones made the video really awesome. I married to a china wife. Want to understand more about china and more about her culture. ( trust me, we don't get nice and positive impression about china people here) And i stumble upon your channel (SerpentZA). Your channel view about china is very objective and not biased at all, it carry a positive vibe about china. Your channel re-ignited my passion for motorbike again. looking forward to more of your videos. Your subscriber from Singapore.
Thanks for great videos. I used to live in Korea for a few years and considering going to China. Its interesting seeing how a lot of the cultural behaviours and other little things are quite similar. Keep on going strong!
Guss it's the same all over the world, as a Chinese living in Australia, I got constantly mocked at my accent. I am not bad at English in any standard, or carrying heavy "asian" accent if you will. But people just focus on the tiny little mistake you made in conversation. But in general , agree with your opinion on how the government trying to limit the potential influence thing.
15.31 still never ceases to amaze me someone can have a child and not give a shit about them enough to put a helmet on them when handing off the back of a moped in the middle of a freeway
+Emerald City Sole ""15.31 still never ceases to amaze me someone can have a child and not give a shit about them enough to put a helmet on them when handing off the back of a moped in the middle of a freeway"" its a girl....if it would be a boy it would be wearing a helmet and padded clothing!, cause he will work hard earn money, and marry well carrying on the family name!, the girl on the other hand just costs money, will work less hard, will marry but u have to pay for it, and she wont carry on your family name!. i still believe they have to 1 child policy, so he (the driver) might be praying the girl hits the concrete, so he can make a other child hopefully a boy!.
thanks for shedding light on the truth of current chinese culture. i've already known that chinese culture is much more backward and limited than western culture, but, for years i've been building towards eventually moving to china and living and working there full time. but it's important to be realistic and this video really helped.
Who is the Chinese writer? I need to do a little research. It is actually a regular occurrence for Chinese students to not study hard in English universities.
serpentza she probably had a english first name while here at univeristy. Why on earth do they do that? Like i lived with chinese masters students in my first year of uni and one of the guy said his name was Erick Yang but his ID card said Yun Shi WANG! And same goes for others too! Bet she had a name like that that's why I cant find here on google.
The thing is though, white foreigners are superior in China as many Chinese women (and some men) treat them like God. If you watch other videos about white foreigners in China talking to local Chinese people, they are treated differently (mainly positive). For example, Trevor James (I think i got his name right), a Canadian food vlogger, always gets good impressions from the local Chinese. If he were Chinese, I doubt he would get good recognition. Now as for Asians living in America, we are inferiors. To be honest, we are only recognized as "Smart" minorities. But to get on TV, or to be an actor, it is very difficult. To be fair, Asian women are more privileged, as all men of all races love them; but as for Asian men, we're ranked last because we're least desirable. In addition, being famous in America isn't so great either. Once you get famous for about 2 years, then for instance you go downhill because your new movies aren't so good, you'll get videos talking about how/why you fail.
Considering America is a multi-racial country, there is no doubt there will be Asian-Americans in the cabinet and heads of ministries. Asians have been in American for more than a century, of course you will see Asians in these fields. But they are not recognized enough, that's my point. I doubt there will be an Asian-American as a US president for the next 100 years. The Asian people you mentioned are at the amount of less than 100 people in a country of 350 million citizens. Remember, China has been opened to the West for no more than 40 years. How do you expect white foreigners to be cabinet ministers, anchors of major television news channels? Not to mention China's immigration policy is hugely different than America. Nowadays, Western investments are allowed in China to make money (Disneyland, Apple, and other companies) Most modern designs of sky scrapers are designed by westerners.
***** Can't compared the 2 countries since China is too populated and has been through major recoveries 40 years ago. Hence they need to civilize/modernize the rest of the country. The USA on the other hand, has been developed for more than decades if not a century. They only have 350 million people to feed, as opposed to China's 1.4 billion people. China is still a 2nd world country, why would she welcome migrants since she still have to feed so many people?
US is an immigrant country. China is not. Just like Japan. It never really wants to import migrant workers even though its population is shrinking. It will ask them to leave after a few years work. In China, tens of millions of babies are born every year. There is no need to import more workers.
***** You are really splitting hair. Everyone knows the difference. 13% of US population is born overseas in 2013. Guess what the figure is in China? I would say that's less than 0.1%. But of course I guess you can say 99% white is white color and 1% white is also white color.
woa where do you guys find the time to do these quality edits and always have good discussion subjects while staying classy?? are days 40 hours long in china? hehehe awesome job guys
I don't think the make-people-look-ridiculous-on-TV thing is the norm in China. Only the comedy oriented type of shows do that, and they do that to everybody, including some of the most famous Chinese singers and actors, not just foreigners. They probably learned it from Japanese TV shows. In the example you gave in your video they aren't even trying to make them look bad, it's lighthearted and cute. Maybe it's cultural.
4:26 They were trying to make those foreigners on tv look bad and dumb. Not everyone wants to be humiliated. But then if you do the same to a Chinese or criticize them they might flip out or you get in trouble.
Fly'ed Lice! I forgot that! [Cracks open the old book: *Truly Tasteless Jokes* , to help find all the wonderfully demeaning things to counter-insult the Red-Chinese with!]
I think people who have been encouraging you guys to put up these videos on youku or somewhere else where it is more accessable by the chinese population are just saying "hey i really like you guys, I wish you can profit on what you are doing now". But on the other hand, you people probably understand more that you are doing and will decide what is the best for you and C milk too. We trust you on that. And we will always support you on that. And btw, any form of speech freedom appropriate or inapproapriate would involve both love and hatred. But ultimately it is only important if someone's speech is the truth or not. And that's why I like you guys. At least what you speak out is the the truth at your best knowledge. Big support and wish you a comfortable life in China.
Can't really agree with the first two points. A bit of an over-reaction on how foreigners are made to look stupid on TV. It could be a difference in the sense of humour of the audience, being made hilarious may not necessarily be in a negative way. And if state TV is agreeing to feature you, I'm inclined to think that the long term monetary benefit from the exposure you'll gain is more than the fees they can offer you. But that said, your point about the mob mentality is spot on. Education (or the lack of) is a main reason behind it. Chinese kids are brought up in a system that trains them to follow collectively, and not to question. Many netizens are finding it easier to be on the majority side, to follow the crowd and criticize, rather than offering an unique opinion. Couple that with the nationalism waves, and being famous can indeed be dangerous, especially if you're honest about the short-comings that you've observed in the country. I also feel that a huge proportion of Chinese netizens are from under-privileged backgrounds (lower social standings, lower education etc). Basically they need to be in that virtual online space, be on the majority side and criticizing, be feeling like they are making a difference, be taken notice. A bit sad, really.
I agree with you. I've been interviewed several times on local and national television here. Though I'm fluent in Mandarin Chinese, I do have an accent but I've never been ridiculed or made fun of in any way. I love this country and being able to live and work here is a privilege I respect.
Great aerial shots - it adds another dimension to these already great videos! The only thing that irritated me abit were the moving black bars ... i'd say just stick with them for the whole video. The moving black thing takes the focos away from the video and content itself. Keep on what you are doing & greetings from germany!
If you are invited to a entertainment TV show of a local channel, which is the most possible kind of show that will invite foreigners, of course they will make fun of foreigners because they simply make fun of everybody. And I don't think CCTV4 tried to make Austin look ridiculous in that show despite some jokes.
I think the cause of the hate against famous people is partly because of some chinese people's low self esteem. And also because the chinese party is an oppressive power, they always have to channel anger towards outside. Which is a very sad thing because it builds up tension which eventually cause war.
hung giang Let's see something happened like more like 10-15 years ago, I remember it happened, this thing could be older then you, kid, when british and the USA was trying to frame Sadam for owning WMD, a scientist was bullied and killed for speaking of the truth: www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/jul/16/david-kelly-death-10-years-on all government are the same, no matter what our approaches are, freedom of speech or don't have freedom of speech for our society, eventually they all end up the same: People will find ways to say what they have to say. BUT the government would pound your ass if you say something they really don't like.
Great video. I will stay discreet and low profile guys. That was great intro. Love the drone shots. Maybe you need to shoot a lot of footage and save some great stuff to add after you give it back. So Winston what would you do if u get a renewed working visa?
Happy Ghast of you dont understand that you dont understand the hatred of all things nazi. China is one of the few Countries not effected badly by the Nazis. Almost every Country was adversly effected as well as entire populations nearly completely wiped out. The Naxis were the reason the entire world was at war and millions of people were killed WORLDWIDE, so yeah the Nazis are definitely a very sore spot, if a Naxi group wants to hold a rally our bill of rights will allow them to and give them police protection but a private company like Facebook or the like, they dont have to give them any press if they dont want to. Try another one America hater...
Majestic Flying Brick Twitter is a private social network. You can wave the nazi flag all you want and you won't get arrested in the US. What happens if you wave the Tibetan flag or Taiwanese flag in China?
substitute nazi with Japanese and they understand the hatred exactly. In fact it's worse, because we blame the nazis which is a relic of the past, not the germans. They blame the Japanese past and present. Also, if you don't understand that in a free country, a private company can censor as much as they please, I don't know what to tell you.
Clearly you have no clue what free speech is. Twitter is not a government institution. It is a private company. Being a private company they are under absolutely no obligation to give anyone a platform which goes contrary to what they believe. It is only the government who cannot infringe on your free speech, meaning Tila Tequila cannot be arrested for giving the nazi salute. Stop being so ignorant and you won't be as angry over stupid things and understand why people get in trouble from other people for being a douche.
@StrangeViolette , that should be the case, but here in the United States of Exceptions, the government can and does make exceptions to constitutional rights as they deem fit. The only thing required for the US government to determine that social media are public platforms is to simply call them that, and it becomes immediately enforceable. Then comes the lawsuit arguing against this practice, and quite often, the ignorant judges and juries will rule in favor of police enforcement which reinforces these often corrupt practices. This is EXACTLY what happened with sites like Megaupload, and it IS happening to social media now. The difference is the government isn't going to shut down social media, but they are sticking their hands in a place it legally has no business in. It is true that the US government is becoming more "handsy" with social media platforms, and there will likely be some legislation passed in the next year or two regarding speech on these platforms. Hell, it could wind up being that the social media platforms could press charges on people who post content they don't agree with to their platforms. Idk how this is going to pan out, but the rhetoric that all of congress is using against facebook right now, I wouldn't be surprised if something real and enforceable comes soon. All in the name to combat foreign interference of our elections.
I don't know about SerpentZA, but what on Earth could've possibly motivated Laowhy86 to leave a place like the US to come and put down shop in CHINA of all places??!!
I imagine most expats in China will have at some point seen one of their videos. There really aren't that many western Vbloggers in China. Too be honest though fame is a loose term these days. They would probably be classed as celebrities in a western country but a low alphabet version of one.
+Radioactive FistFoot but not at streets in China. Maybe in China just being a foreigner people will look at you at streets but it doesnt mean that they are famous at all. They are more famous on youtube for westerns than in China. I wonder if really many people recognize them at streets in China?
I've seen that pipsqueak talking trash under other videos. He's either a masochist or a secret fan who wants daddy's attention. Either way, he's a idiot.
Same in Australia and Europe. Tell opinion publicly against current "political correctness" and you will loose job, end in prison easily and then they deport you if you are a double citizen.
@Serpentza @ChurchillCustoms - why write up subtitles? if there English ones your after, youtube will generate them automatically, Select the Spanner cog (lower left) > Subtitles/CC and then select English auto generated.
What are the things they keep riding by that look like nail houses but have walls? Do nail houses have walls? Every building looks like its half finished but 10 years old. They can't ALL be nail houses?
Two questions Winston: Is there an accessible version of the interview with your and the blond interviewer? Question 2: What Chinese program do the excerpts with the foreigners speaking "crappy" Chinese come from?
9:40-13:16 The empty threats you describe people doling out to you (outside of tangible threats of deportation/imprisonment) don't sound that much different from the TH-cam comments section.
So ADVChina. I've had a few dicussions with some Chinese, and they are indeed very proud, almost arrogant. As I see it, they have little to be proud of, since they only got rich because they provide cheap labour, and no unions, and are easily corrupted and payd-off. If the west or first world counties decide to pull EVERYTHING out(R&D, investments, manpower, knowhow etc..) of China and start elsewhere, where do you think that would leave China? Have they come far enought to survive and prosper on their own, or are they still depending too much on western innovation and ideas? I know in China it's customary to honor old people, and do what they say but that does leave a lot of room for improvements, or new ideas. What's your take on it?
As an American who has had 2 Chinese girlfriends and been to China 9 times is 2 1/2 years I really enjoy watching your videos with both of your Chinese wives. I learn more and more from every video you make
"MY COUNTRY IS NOT OPPRESSIVE" said the Chinese bloke on his VPN
Or better yet: "Look at country x, city x state x" it's just as bad OR WORSE
#whataboutism
@Arctypeteryx Selihaverem
Whataboutism is a classic Soviet era diversion technique. It's a powerful manipulation tool but it's never really an excuse for doing something badly to say that other people do it worse.
MilesBellas lol
Arctypeteryx Selihaverem being dismissive 😩👌
Dosh lol...helmuts
“May you gain the attention of powerful people.” - ancient Chinese curse
When I was in university, a famous Chinese dissident was speaking at forum. There was a translator there, but whenever a non Asian English speaker asked questions, u got sense that the speaker didn't respect or value that question. When my white professor rose to ask, and spoke in perfect intellectual Chinese, the surprise was palpable. The Chinese' ethnocentric culture is embarrassing.
Watching these videos makes me feel like I'm there, they're so raw. I've been binge watching since finding this channel 2 days ago.
Same here...really revealing vlogs
Chinese people making fun of foreigners who can't speak the language...
I can't decide if that's ironic, hypocritical or both.
Probably frustrated with how difficult it is to learn their own native language, so they seek to put others down to make themselves feel better about their toil. This can happen with all kinds of things, like jobs and such. It boils down to jealousy. At the root it's just those boring standard moral weaknesses. I guess this can only (or best?) be defeated with love, but with a population size like in China that can surely become an overwhelming and draining endeavor.
i've seen mandarin speaking people making fun of non-mandarin speaking people's accents and they are all chinese, i think it's just the way humans are.
@@momoko7859 You are right unfortunately. We are guilty of it here in the United States. For instance, if you're from the southern states such as Tennessee or Kentucky or Alabama, there is a southern twang. Arkansas and deep Missouri in the Ozarks there is a very distinct, for lack of a better word, hillbilly sort of accent that gets made fun of. Then you have Boston and New Jersey which both have a distinct difference from each other and different from the mid-west or even Hollywood which more similar to one another. The american television stations and movies all have what I guess would be considered as a "normal" accent here. We shouldn't make fun of anyone, but as you stated, it seems to be the way humans are. I failed to mention how we tend to make fun of the accent we get when we order Chinese food at a take out restaurant. We should rise above it.
@Achaemenes of Persia you mean signs in Chinglish! :)
voltaire damn kid you got the whole squad laughing
That article made me laugh , she describes you as bitter , when it is blatantly obvious she is the bitter one. Someone who composes a fairly long article being completely one sided and bringing their emotional attachments into it , vs , someone drinking a beer and casually talking into a camera. it's pretty obvious who is the bitter one , i cannot believe people would be swayed by such nonsense.
Thanks mate, glad you could see it for what it is
You can't understand why people would be swayed by such nonsense, that's because you think too logically. :P
A country in spiritual crisis, leading to projection and such. I know a couple other ones like that.
They lack any form of media studies in their education system. All press that comes from China - whether an opinion piece or well researched scholarly article - is treated with equal weight when published by the govt. Texts are memorized, not analysed.
Do you have a link to the article?
I'm Chinese and living in Canada, love ur videos! I grew up in china as a kid and spend alot of my teen and young adult life here so I understand both cultures. I'm very interested on how Westerners think about china. great video as always :D
Unfortunately many westerners think all the Chinese people are slaving away in factory's getting paid something like 10 cent's a day and living with bare minimums in every part of life and absolutely zero privacy, even when using the bathroom. I never see that going on in the video's by serperntza or talked about. If it is going on it must be hidden. Or in other part's of China- not exposed. That is tho what many westerners think.
I personally other than Government related, I think China look's like a awesome place. Cool culture, cool people, nice stuff. So people awesome, culture awesome, life awesome, I just do not like the Chinese Government.
@@EdwardBerryy "slaving away" is a subjective term. Perhaps watch more documentaries on Chinese work, young people, love, etc.
Nasty c-nets are equivalent to ultra-nationalist American militants
Right now with all that's going on I'm kind of pissed off at China. I was going to travel to China at one point, not now. I had a Chinese friend I was going to visit from Dalian.
Got to say I have a lot of respect for the both of you making these videos. The fact that you are willing to speak your mind and put them out there for all to see is amazing. There is real danger for you to do these videos. Yet you are still willing to put yourself out there for people around the world to see is admirable. Looking forward to another of your videos! Cheers!
I absolutely love how honest you both are when doing your videos. You just tell it how it is. Keep on having fun in China and doing what you love doing.
I find your comments very interesting, but there are times that I will turn off the sound and just watch the video of the country side. The number and type of abandoned buildings you drive past, the quality of the roads, the type of vehicles you encounter, the roadways in the cities and the rural roads. You do a great job of showing what China looks like.
Omg yes! Y'all did a video on fame in China! I doubt it had anything to do with it but I recommended this topic a few weeks ago. Love the channel!
Great video, guys! I have to hand it to you, this is one of the best ideas ever on TH-cam! I have been watching ADVChina for about 3 weeks now, and I don't think a day has gone by that I haven't watched at least one video of yours. And I don't care what anybody says, you guys always put together terrific videos! You are the "Pros from Dover" (that's a MASH TV show humor reference, for us guys who grew up a few years before you did).
There's a common thread, and it's all about POTENTIAL threat to State control. Too famous, or more correctly too, influential. A lot of Countries with say totalitarian regimes for example (and I'm not talking about China), make the classic mistake of pouncing on each and every adverse action or comment. All that happens is they have to devote more and more resources to this policing and the general population just gets pissed off with the regime. Usually resulting in a popular uprising at some point. I think the Chinese authorities are a lot more sophisticated than that, so a certain amount of slack is built into the system. I'ts risk/threat management, not absolute control of everything all the time mentality.
Great video, guys! I am glad you make these videos with your honest opinions. That is so hard to find these days.
Greetings from USA!
amazing intro shot! stunning
thanks!
Thank Casey Neistat
I've been bingewatching your videos so hard I actually recognised the intersection you arrived at at the end.
I asked my wife about that being made fun of thing. She said here in the US it happens all the time. Constantly. Her accent, food she eats, eating dog, and all the stupid stereotypes that have been around forever. So I guess some people are assholes no matter what country they come from. It's generally the uneducated, lower class people who have never been out of their own little town or state or village. Haters gon hate!
yea it makes me sick when i hear that racist crap. some of my friends do it back home and i will put them in their place.
i think its a bit different in china, imo not as bad. basically they have stereotypes(foreigners are clowns, they can't speak chinese , they can't eat stinky tofu.) and they expect foreigners to live up to them.
Oh she does, usually. She says she smiles and says to her self in Chinese "oh that's what an bastard looks like" LOL.. These insults have nothing to do with you and everything to do with the person saying them.
jeff61177 same situation happened to me in UK.
I agree about haters exist everywhere! :( I am a Chinese Canadian and I grew up in Canada hearing dumb things about the food, driving, etc. I am fortunate to speak English fluently but people always are very shocked that I could even after I tell them I grew up in Canada. Even my ex joked about eating dog - until I joked that yes, I do and I will eat his someday too. ;D
+AchillesSoul
Type in "Yellow face movies" in TH-cam and tell me you don't see Western Media making fun of Chinese people. Watch Rush Hour and cringe as Chris Tucker talk slowly. Heck, watch the OSCARS 2016 and see Chris Rock and Sasha Baron Cohen make fun of Asians/Chinese people at a show where they are trying to be racially sensitive towards African-Americans. Ask any Chinese person if they ever feel stereotyped in Western media - it will blow your mind. You only see what you want to see.
Who is flying your drone in clips where both of you are riding?
Your videos I've watched thus far have convinced me I would never want to live in China, and in every video you have to apologize for complaining. You need to make a video explaining what you DO like about China. All of it, in one video.
Yellow fever keeps them there.
***** Huh? Isn't yellow fever curable now?
Shawn Elliott Not curable. Only treatable.
Note to anyone who hasn't watched any/many videos: The above comment by Shawn Elliott is not true. Many videos are extremely positive about aspects of Chinese culture, and many are balanced, portraying good vs bad. (WHO KNOWS? Maybe Shawn Elliott is a moron who clicks on only the video titles that sound negative, because he is some kind of drama queen craving negativity... not sure why else he would... BUT ALSO is so dumb he doesn't realize he is doing this, and then portrays his obviously biased and incorrect opinion as fact, and even goes so far as to demand a change... even though more positive videos would seem a contradictory thing for him to request, since it wouldn't help feed his apparent raging anti-china fetish...)
I only regret that Shawn Elliott probably has such a poor mental capacity that he probably won't remember his own words, and thus my response won't be able to help him. At least I can hopefully tell people the truth about the videos, and that they are not only negative and complaining.
Some really amazing aerial shots there, awesome guys!
中国不是不能接受批评，有时候对于别人的缺点我们心里明白却不说出口，是因为礼貌与宽容。共产党清楚得很自己有什么问题，中国人自己知道自己有什么问题，不喜欢老外数落我们的原因就是不喜欢“富人家孩子喜爱穷人家孩子穷”一样的道理，落后是暂时的，我们会奋起直追成为受人尊重的民族。
富人家孩子嘲笑穷人孩子穷
被人可怜和可怜别人国人的心态终会转变我辈共勉！
有啥不让别人说自己的问题呢？只要是公正不偏激，没有必要那么紧张。要是米国人都那么紧张，全世界都要震好几次了
Great videos Fellas!Very informative & enjoyable.Please,keep up the good work!!
I always like before the video begins because if they do the unusual and disappoint or annoy me I can always take it away. Great vids guys. Keep it up! #Fandom.
The drone makes your videos exciting! It is excellent! Buy one after the month is up or i will buy one for you!
Yay!
+Churchill Customs I have been watching both of your channels for some while now, some of the best quality videos I have seen on TH-cam. You guys are great and as is said..."Stay Awesome!"
Agreed, over the last few months both you and C-Milk's production quality has improved dramatically.
Intro is godly...damn dude...gj!
I'm Chinese-American, thanks so much guys for touring my ancestral home town, rural Guangdong ,big vast open areas green paddy farms w/ the banana leaves tree, endless clear blue skies ontop, the vibe is so laid back and carefree out there, and the smell of gasoline from the bikes. lolThere's some really nice authentic local rural cantonese food there as well (find hard enuff in the smaller restaurants) eg soup noodles. You guys might wanna visit the fishing village areas too (nan ao? Or nan tou? or near Yan tian), since its southern china , the fresh catch seafood there are *AMAZING*. could do an episode on that too!!
the drones made the video really awesome. I married to a china wife. Want to understand more about china and more about her culture. ( trust me, we don't get nice and positive impression about china people here) And i stumble upon your channel (SerpentZA). Your channel view about china is very objective and not biased at all, it carry a positive vibe about china. Your channel re-ignited my passion for motorbike again. looking forward to more of your videos.
Your subscriber from Singapore.
I love the production value on the first 40 seconds.
thank you!
I love the production value of the first 950 seconds
Thanks for great videos. I used to live in Korea for a few years and considering going to China. Its interesting seeing how a lot of the cultural behaviours and other little things are quite similar. Keep on going strong!
Great video and excellent awareness of the current Chinese media and society!
Guss it's the same all over the world, as a Chinese living in Australia, I got constantly mocked at my accent. I am not bad at English in any standard, or carrying heavy "asian" accent if you will. But people just focus on the tiny little mistake you made in conversation. But in general , agree with your opinion on how the government trying to limit the potential influence thing.
15.31 still never ceases to amaze me someone can have a child and not give a shit about them enough to put a helmet on them when handing off the back of a moped in the middle of a freeway
Emerald City Sole or whole family on a 75CC motorbike and no one has helmets on
easy:
- traffic is less congested
- dont take your right of the way for granted
- minimize time main roads and stay in streets
Only boys matter
+Emerald City Sole
""15.31 still never ceases to amaze me someone can have a child and not give a shit about them enough to put a helmet on them when handing off the back of a moped in the middle of a freeway""
its a girl....if it would be a boy it would be wearing a helmet and padded clothing!, cause he will work hard earn money, and marry well carrying on the family name!, the girl on the other hand just costs money, will work less hard, will marry but u have to pay for it, and she wont carry on your family name!.
i still believe they have to 1 child policy, so he (the driver) might be praying the girl hits the concrete, so he can make a other child hopefully a boy!.
It's simple ignorance mixed with stupidity...
Love your commentary in while going off the beaten track. Staying awesome!
That opening is COOOOOL!
thank you!
Those shots from high up in the air are amazing!!! So gorgeous! Thankyou!!!
Why are so many houses empty and abandoned?
Don't be frustrated with those people, a lot of Chinese people like your videos. You guys stay awesome!
thanks for shedding light on the truth of current chinese culture. i've already known that chinese culture is much more backward and limited than western culture, but, for years i've been building towards eventually moving to china and living and working there full time. but it's important to be realistic and this video really helped.
11:45 I am amazed to see black plastic being used in rural gardens in China. I suppose that they also must use drip irrigation?
Correct me if i'm wrong.
In Chinese traditional thinking, entertainers are not respected as a real job and normally frowned upon
You are correct. But in today's society entertainers make much more money than most people, and money talks.
and yet most people in china will have more knowledge with celebrity scandal, dating, news rather than knowing what their government up to
You're wrong. Anyone that excels in their field here and does so with a modest ego is actually revered.
From 2016, but still another great show. Keep it up guys.
Who is the Chinese writer? I need to do a little research. It is actually a regular occurrence for Chinese students to not study hard in English universities.
Wang Han who works for the global times
serpentza she probably had a english first name while here at univeristy. Why on earth do they do that? Like i lived with chinese masters students in my first year of uni and one of the guy said his name was Erick Yang but his ID card said Yun Shi WANG! And same goes for others too! Bet she had a name like that that's why I cant find here on google.
your vids are good to listen to while working
The thing is though, white foreigners are superior in China as many Chinese women (and some men) treat them like God. If you watch other videos about white foreigners in China talking to local Chinese people, they are treated differently (mainly positive). For example, Trevor James (I think i got his name right), a Canadian food vlogger, always gets good impressions from the local Chinese. If he were Chinese, I doubt he would get good recognition.
Now as for Asians living in America, we are inferiors. To be honest, we are only recognized as "Smart" minorities. But to get on TV, or to be an actor, it is very difficult. To be fair, Asian women are more privileged, as all men of all races love them; but as for Asian men, we're ranked last because we're least desirable.
In addition, being famous in America isn't so great either. Once you get famous for about 2 years, then for instance you go downhill because your new movies aren't so good, you'll get videos talking about how/why you fail.
Considering America is a multi-racial country, there is no doubt there will be Asian-Americans in the cabinet and heads of ministries. Asians have been in American for more than a century, of course you will see Asians in these fields. But they are not recognized enough, that's my point. I doubt there will be an Asian-American as a US president for the next 100 years.
The Asian people you mentioned are at the amount of less than 100 people in a country of 350 million citizens. Remember, China has been opened to the West for no more than 40 years. How do you expect white foreigners to be cabinet ministers, anchors of major television news channels? Not to mention China's immigration policy is hugely different than America.
Nowadays, Western investments are allowed in China to make money (Disneyland, Apple, and other companies) Most modern designs of sky scrapers are designed by westerners.
***** Can't compared the 2 countries since China is too populated and has been through major recoveries 40 years ago. Hence they need to civilize/modernize the rest of the country. The USA on the other hand, has been developed for more than decades if not a century. They only have 350 million people to feed, as opposed to China's 1.4 billion people. China is still a 2nd world country, why would she welcome migrants since she still have to feed so many people?
US is an immigrant country. China is not. Just like Japan. It never really wants to import migrant workers even though its population is shrinking. It will ask them to leave after a few years work. In China, tens of millions of babies are born every year. There is no need to import more workers.
***** You are really splitting hair. Everyone knows the difference. 13% of US population is born overseas in 2013. Guess what the figure is in China? I would say that's less than 0.1%. But of course I guess you can say 99% white is white color and 1% white is also white color.
Asians make a lot of money in America
How do you take those Aerial shots of two bikes like you did while going under the railway bridge?
2:33 I'm really glad Winston for once admits that politics / policy plays a role in a person's everyday life. ;)
An informative topic. Awesome ride and scenery:) Thank you guys.
woa where do you guys find the time to do these quality edits and always have good discussion subjects while staying classy?? are days 40 hours long in china? hehehe awesome job guys
Very nice work with the new drone!
What's the intro song?
Hal0405 Cartoon - I remember u
Great new opening for the video
This is Why I Glad that I Live in New York City!
ADVChina I love to see the single-track trails.good job
I don't think the make-people-look-ridiculous-on-TV thing is the norm in China. Only the comedy oriented type of shows do that, and they do that to everybody, including some of the most famous Chinese singers and actors, not just foreigners. They probably learned it from Japanese TV shows. In the example you gave in your video they aren't even trying to make them look bad, it's lighthearted and cute. Maybe it's cultural.
4:26 They were trying to make those foreigners on tv look bad and dumb. Not everyone wants to be humiliated. But then if you do the same to a Chinese or criticize them they might flip out or you get in trouble.
Great channel, can't stop watching your videos for a couple of days now 😜
Fly'ed Lice! I forgot that! [Cracks open the old book: *Truly Tasteless Jokes* , to help find all the wonderfully demeaning things to counter-insult the Red-Chinese with!]
great scenery, nice clear sky...great vlog...
When is Winston going to start riding his bike instead of his wife's bike?
I'm confused by the purple tank as well... but it's up to him.
I built the bike for my wife, but I end up riding it more... SerpentZA
I was sure there was a sex joke in there somwhere...
I think he is riding his waifu if you know what I mean
+Robert Williams 我居然秒懂了！
I think people who have been encouraging you guys to put up these videos on youku or somewhere else where it is more accessable by the chinese population are just saying "hey i really like you guys, I wish you can profit on what you are doing now". But on the other hand, you people probably understand more that you are doing and will decide what is the best for you and C milk too. We trust you on that. And we will always support you on that. And btw, any form of speech freedom appropriate or inapproapriate would involve both love and hatred. But ultimately it is only important if someone's speech is the truth or not. And that's why I like you guys. At least what you speak out is the the truth at your best knowledge. Big support and wish you a comfortable life in China.
Probably more like: "hey, I really like you guys, I wish I could profit on what you are doing now." Now THAT's China.
I am chinese, everything u guys said in this video is true!
Good video, I certainly wont forget this one.
sexy ass intro keep it up
will do!
You're welsh.
Very true. I traveled there 20 years ago and understood this to be the case then. Great work and very informative.. Keep it up!.
are you guys saying that some chinese citizens loves too look down on foreigners to make themselves feel superior and better also?!
Change the word "china" with "other countries",It also makes sense.
I have a question for you two, how do you find petrol station in rural china?
Can't really agree with the first two points. A bit of an over-reaction on how foreigners are made to look stupid on TV. It could be a difference in the sense of humour of the audience, being made hilarious may not necessarily be in a negative way. And if state TV is agreeing to feature you, I'm inclined to think that the long term monetary benefit from the exposure you'll gain is more than the fees they can offer you.
But that said, your point about the mob mentality is spot on. Education (or the lack of) is a main reason behind it. Chinese kids are brought up in a system that trains them to follow collectively, and not to question. Many netizens are finding it easier to be on the majority side, to follow the crowd and criticize, rather than offering an unique opinion. Couple that with the nationalism waves, and being famous can indeed be dangerous, especially if you're honest about the short-comings that you've observed in the country. I also feel that a huge proportion of Chinese netizens are from under-privileged backgrounds (lower social standings, lower education etc). Basically they need to be in that virtual online space, be on the majority side and criticizing, be feeling like they are making a difference, be taken notice. A bit sad, really.
I agree with you. I've been interviewed several times on local and national television here. Though I'm fluent in Mandarin Chinese, I do have an accent but I've never been ridiculed or made fun of in any way. I love this country and being able to live and work here is a privilege I respect.
Great aerial shots - it adds another dimension to these already great videos! The only thing that irritated me abit were the moving black bars ... i'd say just stick with them for the whole video. The moving black thing takes the focos away from the video and content itself.
Keep on what you are doing & greetings from germany!
Why the hell do you live in this hell-hole?
Because China is great.
Got a better alternative?
interdimensional demons
Winston is from South Africa which is 10x the hell- hole
@@Dowlphin literally any 1st world country where citizens have rights
Incredible intro shots! Looks like that drone is getting some really good use :)
I can hear the incoming butt hurt parade in the comment section soon
Awesome content - really appreciate your insights! Keep it up!
C-milk is famous to me! :P
gorgeous scenery! man I would love to ride my mountain bike through that
If you are invited to a entertainment TV show of a local channel, which is the most possible kind of show that will invite foreigners, of course they will make fun of foreigners because they simply make fun of everybody. And I don't think CCTV4 tried to make Austin look ridiculous in that show despite some jokes.
Ficus Virens Chinese will be Chinese
I think the cause of the hate against famous people is partly because of some chinese people's low self esteem. And also because the chinese party is an oppressive power, they always have to channel anger towards outside. Which is a very sad thing because it builds up tension which eventually cause war.
The USA media also make fun of Chinese too, it is like a stupid universal culture thingy.
It not government sponsor media
+Di Dxpeo people in the USA have the freedom to say anything, they're not paid to do so by government.
hung giang Let's see something happened like more like 10-15 years ago, I remember it happened, this thing could be older then you, kid, when british and the USA was trying to frame Sadam for owning WMD, a scientist was bullied and killed for speaking of the truth:
www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/jul/16/david-kelly-death-10-years-on
all government are the same, no matter what our approaches are, freedom of speech or don't have freedom of speech for our society, eventually they all end up the same:
People will find ways to say what they have to say.
BUT the government would pound your ass if you say something they really don't like.
Di Dxpeo the people's mindset do differ in certain areas though...no matter for the good or for the worse(China and the USA for example).
Imagon Nasah no kidding....
Great video. I will stay discreet and low profile guys. That was great intro. Love the drone shots. Maybe you need to shoot a lot of footage and save some great stuff to add after you give it back. So Winston what would you do if u get a renewed working visa?
Meanwhile in the United States of Free Speech:
"Tila Tequila suspended from Twitter after shocking Nazi salute photo"
Happy Ghast of you dont understand that you dont understand the hatred of all things nazi. China is one of the few Countries not effected badly by the Nazis. Almost every Country was adversly effected as well as entire populations nearly completely wiped out.
The Naxis were the reason the entire world was at war and millions of people were killed WORLDWIDE, so yeah the Nazis are definitely a very sore spot, if a Naxi group wants to hold a rally our bill of rights will allow them to and give them police protection but a private company like Facebook or the like, they dont have to give them any press if they dont want to. Try another one America hater...
Majestic Flying Brick Twitter is a private social network. You can wave the nazi flag all you want and you won't get arrested in the US. What happens if you wave the Tibetan flag or Taiwanese flag in China?
substitute nazi with Japanese and they understand the hatred exactly. In fact it's worse, because we blame the nazis which is a relic of the past, not the germans. They blame the Japanese past and present.
Also, if you don't understand that in a free country, a private company can censor as much as they please, I don't know what to tell you.
Clearly you have no clue what free speech is. Twitter is not a government institution. It is a private company. Being a private company they are under absolutely no obligation to give anyone a platform which goes contrary to what they believe. It is only the government who cannot infringe on your free speech, meaning Tila Tequila cannot be arrested for giving the nazi salute. Stop being so ignorant and you won't be as angry over stupid things and understand why people get in trouble from other people for being a douche.
@StrangeViolette , that should be the case, but here in the United States of Exceptions, the government can and does make exceptions to constitutional rights as they deem fit. The only thing required for the US government to determine that social media are public platforms is to simply call them that, and it becomes immediately enforceable. Then comes the lawsuit arguing against this practice, and quite often, the ignorant judges and juries will rule in favor of police enforcement which reinforces these often corrupt practices. This is EXACTLY what happened with sites like Megaupload, and it IS happening to social media now. The difference is the government isn't going to shut down social media, but they are sticking their hands in a place it legally has no business in. It is true that the US government is becoming more "handsy" with social media platforms, and there will likely be some legislation passed in the next year or two regarding speech on these platforms. Hell, it could wind up being that the social media platforms could press charges on people who post content they don't agree with to their platforms. Idk how this is going to pan out, but the rhetoric that all of congress is using against facebook right now, I wouldn't be surprised if something real and enforceable comes soon. All in the name to combat foreign interference of our elections.
I don't know about SerpentZA, but what on Earth could've possibly motivated Laowhy86 to leave a place like the US to come and put down shop in CHINA of all places??!!
I'M FAMOUS!!! (in china)
those aerial shots are done with the drone? if so how do you get the drone in the right place and then recover it afterwards?
You guys aren't all that famous. Good job stroking your egos though!
In China mate
also not that famous in China
I imagine most expats in China will have at some point seen one of their videos. There really aren't that many western Vbloggers in China. Too be honest though fame is a loose term these days. They would probably be classed as celebrities in a western country but a low alphabet version of one.
+Radioactive FistFoot but not at streets in China. Maybe in China just being a foreigner people will look at you at streets but it doesnt mean that they are famous at all. They are more famous on youtube for westerns than in China. I wonder if really many people recognize them at streets in China?
I've seen that pipsqueak talking trash under other videos. He's either a masochist or a secret fan who wants daddy's attention. Either way, he's a idiot.
Same in Australia and Europe. Tell opinion publicly against current "political correctness" and you will loose job, end in prison easily and then they deport you if you are a double citizen.
so are people like zhang yixing, fan bingbing, jackson wang, cai xukun or groups ex. TFBOYS in danger?
how's the situation for them?
@Serpentza @ChurchillCustoms - why write up subtitles? if there English ones your after, youtube will generate them automatically, Select the Spanner cog (lower left) > Subtitles/CC and then select English auto generated.
What are the things they keep riding by that look like nail houses but have walls? Do nail houses have walls? Every building looks like its half finished but 10 years old. They can't ALL be nail houses?
Two questions Winston: Is there an accessible version of the interview with your and the blond interviewer? Question 2: What Chinese program do the excerpts with the foreigners speaking "crappy" Chinese come from?
The drone shot at the start looks beautiful. (y)
so there is no adds revenue on chinese youtube alike sites? the goverment just takes that all or how does that work ?
9:40-13:16 The empty threats you describe people doling out to you (outside of tangible threats of deportation/imprisonment) don't sound that much different from the TH-cam comments section.
I do like your vidoes on the cycles and exploring the countryside/cities !
Are those mango trees growing beside the roads?
So ADVChina. I've had a few dicussions with some Chinese, and they are indeed very proud, almost arrogant. As I see it, they have little to be proud of, since they only got rich because they provide cheap labour, and no unions, and are easily corrupted and payd-off.
If the west or first world counties decide to pull EVERYTHING out(R&D, investments, manpower, knowhow etc..) of China and start elsewhere, where do you think that would leave China?
Have they come far enought to survive and prosper on their own, or are they still depending too much on western innovation and ideas? I know in China it's customary to honor old people, and do what they say but that does leave a lot of room for improvements, or new ideas. What's your take on it?
Hey can you get the camera to look above the the front forks !
I've been binge-watching your, biking videos, but you boys need to be careful. best of luck.
I'm really loving the new camera angles! Keep up the great work!
As an American who has had 2 Chinese girlfriends and been to China 9 times is 2 1/2 years I really enjoy watching your videos with both of your Chinese wives. I learn more and more from every video you make
This is a talk show with a scenic view from a motorcycle, But; It's good! "Vary educational"
How has this channel only got 10,000 subs?? It's criminal. Spread the word guys!
i'm impressed with this channel, Serpentza and laowhy86 quality stuff nuff said