I am always impressed by the "strategy" of ADV vids, the interweaving of the two video and audio sources, and how effectively they're edited together. Really well done, Winston!
I heard them mention milk dogs before but I had no idea THAT's what it meant. I was more than a little surprised, I've seen that done with goats in Cuba in pictures but man I was not expecting that.
West takes in socialism becomes welfare nations, China takes in capitalism becomes market economy country, but China is still a state-capitalism country.
Money is not important at all in the US, 25% of your income goes to the government, you can live on land for 100 years and you still have to pay to be able to live on it, everything is taxed, but sure no need for money, haha
Their market has go even more capitalism then anywhere in the world lol. Except they still kept their communism ideology which one day, the problem will surely strike in the future. The youngster will finally start to protest
Wow you guys, thanks so much for this video. I've said in other comments on other videos, I spent one year in China and I have a pretty sour attitude towards China. But after watching your videos and watching how you really have come to accept China and everything in it (which is something I could never think of doing), I want to go again to give it another chance. I learned a lot of the language the first year, and met and talked pretty often with a Canadian who had been there for twenty years, and he gave us a lot of insight into how China really is, just like you guys. So I've heard a lot about this, but your guys' attitude living in China encourages me, and these steps help me realize it really is me that needs to start adjusting so I can start accepting. That's so great. So I really appreciate the videos and commentary, and I really really love your drone shots and driving around. That's really how you get to see China, and there's always something different and weird and new happening every day you go out. Something weird, questionable, shocking, but part of the culture. Thanks.
Cool blog, like your videos a lot. it's been already 2 years for me in China, 2 years of studying, teaching and police accidents, didn't get time for rose-tinted glasses, but I would say it's a good place and it definitely has a lot of opportunities. ps Your drone footage is always awesome 👍
Lived in Korea for three years and contemplating whether to continue there. Your videos have been very helpful. I know you guys probably are criticized for being critical but I really appreciate your raw opinions. I think in Korea it is kind of hard to talk honestly about life as a foreigner since it can personally offend the people in your lives and talking about struggles is seen as weak. So once again, thank you for sharing your views.
I'm not so sure about the hospitality comment around 11:00. I recently just came home (November 4th) from China after 3 years living and teaching at a university. Two weeks before I came back, I lost my passport while taking a train from Nanjing (where I was teaching) to Shanghai (where I was flying home from). Basically I had only enough money to pay for my new passport and visa since I had sent all money to my Canadian bank account in which my card had expired over a year ago and couldn't use. I was only able to afford a hostel for 6 days out of the 14 I was there with the extra cash I had. After 6 days I 400rmb left to last me for the next 8 days before I could claim my new passport. I told the hostel manager I could only afford a few more nights and he straight up said "Don't worry about the money for the rent." He had seen me stressed over the situation for the last 6 days and told me he and his wife had no issues letting me stay for free to help ease my stress. I also hadn't eaten in 2 days and he came by the hostel room I was in with two bags of groceries (fruit, vegetables, bread and western snacks which I thought was adorable). His wife even took me to Suzhou for an overnight trip to help me take my mind off of things. They went above amd beyond to make me feel as warm and welcome as possible. They were strangers to me and I to them but they helped me and I can honestly say, I felt more at home with them than I ever did in Nanjing over the last 3 years. I will never forget them. I had no money but I felt I was treated better than those who knew I had money. I am home now and thinking of what kind of gifts I can send them for the amazing hospitality they had showed me. I'm not saying every Chinese person is like this. But please don't say every Chinese person will treat you differently if you have no money because clearly that is a very thoughtless comment.
Everyone has different experience wherever they travel or live. I'm happy he shared his comment and I don't think he meant to generalize. I think that's just the way westerners speak sometimes. It's not right by any means, but it's something to take into consideration. I don't know you but I'm really glad you're safe and were taken care of! Your situation could have turned really bad and very quickly. I also find that males and females have different experiences. It's much harder for the elderly to see a young woman suffering than a male (I am a female and I know this by experience). Personality also plays a big role. Both these males have big characters that might make them seem a lot hardier (motorcyclists, outgoing, male). If they didn't have money people might react differently, thinking he can take care of himself. On the other hand, a stressed, sweet and and kind female will be harder to turn away out of fear that she might get hurt (I don't mean to be sexist, but it's quite easy for women to be taken advantage of or hurt by others based on physical size. It's harder for us to fight off). I'm not saying I'm correct, I know that there are probably many chinese people who are willing to help stressed males as well. I'm just sharing what I've noticed based on my personal experiences.
First comment?! I really enjoyed this episode C-Milk talking about how you need to change yourself rather than the environment around you kinda struck a chord with me in a certain way within my own life right now. Really beautiful scenery very lush greens.
Leavea Aline -- That's exactly what they say in this video. Newcomers are in the "Honey Moon" stage. You didn't even understand what they spoke, did you? Go take some english classes before commenting cr@p here.
Perhaps a video discussing various similar oddities that we foreigners to china might find as bizarre as this? I know you've mentioned several things like the public spitting, children urinating in the street, and milk dogs of course, but maybe a small refresher for us, not going into the gory details but perhaps more the socio-politcal side of it? Is this acceptable? In certain rural areas? Overall? That sort of thing. Stuff we as outsiders might find disturbing if we didn't know about it, but could learn more about China and Chinese culture from the video? I know I've become a LOT less judgmental and more accepting of Chinese tourists now that I understand a lot more (thanks to your channel) about WHY they do certain things they do. At restaurants, theme parks, etc. I've learned to be a lot more patient and not judge them for what I see as rude when to them it's a perfectly normal, NOT intentionally disrespectful way to act. We have heard you mention milk dogs a few times and now we have SEEN what they are, but what's behind it? How did it start? Is it common? If so, why? And are there any stigmas attached to it in China like we can see there are in other countries from these comments?
This made me think. How does dog milk actually taste? WHAT IF it's actually better than cow milk? Come to think of it, it's kinda weird that we're drinking animal milk to begin with.
Great video! An accurate description of what life has to offer you in China, both good and bad, and to some extent in other countries as well. It's been a pleasure accompanying you guys through your four stages and a real relief to be not the only one struggeling to get "used" to all the crazy and different here. In the end it is as you said, you will not be able to change people arround you, but you can definitely spot positive changes in behaviour here and there. Loved the drone shots and scenery! Keep the awesome work up!
Awesome, i see how your opinion have changed throughout the years as well as your maturity. No place is a Dreamland, period. Anyway i think you are the only reliable China-related youtubers out there... I gotta say watching your videos is the reason i'll move to China and i got to thank you again 'cause i wouldn't be prepared if i didnt watch your videos b4. Seriously never stop making these videos ;)
Love your channels! Retired to Nanning, Guangxi , married for 14 years, playing with my granddaughter while enjoying life. Great video and your spot on! Amazing the lessons you both teach us that can be applied to ALL facet of our lives!
I think I'm lucky, from the sense that I don't think I have ever really fallen out of the honeymoon into the frustrated part, but into the acknowledgement and acceptance. And I think this is because my level of Chinese was higher than the other foreigners around me, and I saw them going through this frustrated part and and knowing I didn't want to feel/act like they did, because they were being beyond ridiculous most of the time. I've definitely had a China day though, but those are far apart, thankfully.
This series is in my top three favorite TH-cam contents ever. I mean that generally between this channel and both of your individual ones, because you guys are the whole package. Philosophy, family, food, political culture, socioeconomics, adventure, and BADASS bikes! Thank you for giving all of us other laowai a chance to see the other side of the world. Stay Awesome!
Keep those anecdotes com'n, guys. What I love about ADVChina most are the narratives you guys have to share from your own lived & observed experiences. It's hard to find that kind of insight from other channels out of China.
Very nice video guys! I like how you describe your TH-cam experience. I've been youtubing from China for almost 4 years and the thing you do mainly focus on during your stay is major differences. As you said in the beginning everything is just amazing after a while you get used to stuff and start seeing the negative aspects. After you've seen that you realise that no country is perfect and maybe offer more communication between your own country and China.
I trust these two gentlemen's point of view about China. Firstly, they have been in China long enough to judge this country. Secondly, I was Chinese, I knew what they said, and their experience shared on You Tube, are absolutely true. No matter you like to hear /watch from this channel or you hate it, that is real China.
I have returned to America for I don't know how long, after four years, off and on, in China. America is not as great as I had remembered. And in America, I don't have such strong negative feelings about China as I had when living there. Perspective, I guess. I have been having an ongoing debate with my cousin who lives in Spain about being content in your surroundings, wherever you may be. A good way to be, if you can manage it. Some of us are perpetual malcontents. I never had a real honeymoon experience with China, nor did I experience such deep frustrations either. I have largely lived in a bubble created by my wife. I have had my complaints for sure...but usually I was more apt to laugh at the things I found strange or even disagreeable in China. China is a big country, and I am sure it has many places of great scenic beauty...but what I have seen can't compare with North America. And I must be the only person in the world who doesn't find Chinese food "delicious". But even an old man can appreciate the many beautiful women one sees in China. The big cities are amazing. I love the high speed trains. The best thing about China is the people. They have been almost without exception welcoming and friendly. I regret I didn't make more of my opportunities while living in China. I would recommend to anyone coming to China to learn the language and to dive in wholeheartedly. I wonder what the future holds for foreigners in China? I wonder what my future in China, however long or short it may be, holds for me? Good video, guys. Keep it up! Stay Awesome!
Nice read I usually read negative things about China. I'm kinda binge watching vlogs about the place because I'm moving there next month to teach English. The animal cruelty bothers me a lot and pollution levels but I what can I do I signed a contract already. With that said I may think it's an amazing place a few months from now. I will be training in Beijing but can still choose what city I'd like. I'm thinking chongquing. Cheap and pollution isn't bad there. I am in my early 20s and am going on my own not knowing much about the place.
Waingro808 Chinese people treat their food as the second most important thing in daily life. So the first consideration about food is safety, rather than delicious. Chinese food is not a single style that one person could make a conclusion. It is originated from 1.4 billion Chinese people and 56 nations. No one could say I don't like Chinese food cause there are so many kind of food in china that you even don't know. Don't make a comment to show your ignorance!
I love the mature outtake these 15-20 minute conversations have. I'm often just popping in to watch these videos you guys make, because there is much to take from it all. It's clear you're both hardened and experienced, and you're sharing it in such a fun yet very educational way. Cheers!
There is sort of a progression of being a expat, kinda like the stages of grief. This is one of the stages. But after awhile, it's the same as home. You still have to wake up, put your pants on one leg at a time and go to work. Now, 4 countries later, I pretty much just wish for AI robots because people everywhere suck and no escape from stupidity. First time I return to the US after several years abroad, I hated it. I kept thinking, where the hell did all these foreigners come from? Why are people more slovenly dressed than 4 years ago? Why do I feel like a criminal, always looking over my shoulder for some cop to bust me for whatever minor violation.
You begrudge foreigners being in your country all the while you're touring a bunch of other people's countries? Doesn't that strike you as a bit hypocritical?
This specific and (enough) moving episode decided me to follow your channel ! Thank you a lot for all what you do in helping others, and me the first, to get a bit of understanding about this incredible and so different country and civilization.
Yo Mama I actually misspelled the title of the song, which I will now edit. It’s actually “I Remember U”, not produced by Winston or C-Milk. They just chose to use it as their theme song, and it’s a pretty good choice imo
I learned about that song through ADVChina. I play it on my daily playlist. When I first subbed & heard the song, it just hooked me right away. Check out the music video here on TH-cam, it's pretty weirdly funny.
Those stages apply to frequent travellers to China also. I definitely romanticised it on the first couple trips, and thus also blindly defended the negatives that many people judged China by. However after a few more trips and a decade later the honeymoon is long gone and I'm at the acceptance/reality part (still with some frustration in the mix too though). Even though I'm no longer amazed by everything I see and the country feels very "familiar" now, China is varied and big enough to keep me coming back for more. Oh and we don't all just go on tours to Shanghai and Beijing, give us some credit for being adventurous also ;-)
@Serpentza: I think it's because you, and Laowhy' have a love of both nature, and riding bikes. I think that's what saved it for you, otherwise when the Honey-crash came, you'd be in a state of Permanently-Pissed-Off! I'm glad though. Your vids' teach us more of what we'd needed to know travelling there, and not knowing what questions to ask, or what to bring, or do. *_And what to avoid!!!_*
I think it has to do a bit more with their mentality, there is this feeling, when you go on a bike tour and stuck in the mud try for an hour to get through it, maybe take a bath in it, it is just fun after all, other people would just bitch about situations like this but for them (and for me) if shit happens, it is an adventure.
Dreaddead88: If you want to move to any different culture you need to find peace for yourself during times spent in privacy and leisure by: learning the language and keeping a healthy body and mind, if you can not do that, you will squeeze yourself out. Taking a break into anther country definitely refreshes your opinion on yourself and the world.
It's the same everywhere way too many people think all their problems are going to go away if they change location. Some stuff might get better other stuff might get worse.
Bear Arms no my point is thinking your whole life is going to be magically better just by changing location is foolish. The world is an amazing place but it’s also what you make of it, no matter where you are.
Dr Aaron 301 Absolutely NOOO... for me. It is a racism, violent and has so many things seem out of controls in this society. It is a big "mess" compared to China where society is so very peaceful, safe, even "gentle" in general (despite some minor temporary shortcomings need to be improved), because most of the Chinese people tend to be humble, appreciated and content with what they have and keep things for themselves tendency. Certainly, these are the many reasons why these two white guys despite so love even rudely(for a Chinese's eyes) complaining and so unhappy and "shit this and shit that" about China all the times but still don't want to go back to their own countries such as South Africa. If it was for me, for sure I would go home for good to avoid all these "miserable " places at once, but the fact is, China does not OWE them anything?! Just wonder why?! So, the Chinese government is right; it does make sense and may be why it is so difficult for an ordinary person to become a Chinese /Chinese Citizen.
The Gentleman Racer, but there are tonnes of examples when life does become magically better. Being gay in Saudi Arabia is vastly worse than being gay in Sweden. Being sub-middle class in America is vastly worse than in Canada or Norway, etc. I think you're talking about situation when life is great as it is, but even then it's a gross generalization to say that everywhere is the same, each country has it's own mindset, and it might suit you better that the one in your native country. It'll be more accurate to say that you have to try to look at other countries objectively
You guys really nailed the 4 stages. I never lived in China but have spent 10 years traveling from the far north to the south of it for business. All my trips take me through the 'real China' as you put it. The frustration still gets to me when something so simple can't get done but in the last couple of years I've learned to accept I can't change it. I love your videos and show them to anyone who asks me about China is like. Keep up the great work.
Hey guys, I'm not into China, and I can't remember how I actually fell over your channel, but this video hit home in some distorted way. I've also moved from my home country and I know exactly what you mean about starting to understand and realizing that they are not debating philosophy. I've been married, had a child and now divorced which ties me to this country, but your discussions really give a new and fresh perspective to moto vlogging. It's not about the bikes, nor the destination....it's the journey. It's your surroundings. Yet again I find myself reflecting after one of your vids. This one more than usual. Thank you.
Love this video! Everything you said about the 4 stages is true for foreigners coming to Japan as well. Of course, the things that are good and bad are different compared to Japan, but you go through those phases here as well. Nicely done and said!
well, when I travel to the world, I see much more stress on Japanese face that I never see in other countries, is living in Japan a too much stressful to West expats?
A really great video. This is why i am subscribed to both of your channels. You guys dont make China look like heaven like some do, or hell like some do. The content is pretty much down to earth, just the way i like it. It feels very....real. Anyways, cheers.
One on hand, you have first tier cities that can rival Tokyo and NY; on the other hand you have third world villages that seem to be stuck in the 50's. That's what makes China unique.
Good video, great scenes and conversation as well. I like how you guys pretty much stay focused on your topic. I had one friend who use to ride all over Long Island, NY with me. We set a travel itinerary to have at least a coffee in each town and talk about the history of that place or area. This was before small portable video camera systems and voice coms were definitely for the wealthy and weren’t that clear or reliable. I thought about a PBS TV show but .... well. The persons least to support you and your ideas; are the one’s closest. I almost forgot; stay awesome guys.
That is enough +Dr Aaron 301, why you have to put the endless mainlanders/Chinese and Taiwanese quarrels here, they don't even know anything about it. And what is good for you when you say they are Chinese and good at doing all bad things?
Ya know what's funny , 95% of Upstate, western and the Southern Tier of New York looks exactly what you guys are biking thru, but the millions of people who live in NYC, and the other downstate counties would never consider that area the "Real New York"
@@devonrusinek5807 he's talking absolute rubbish. Those roads are definitely third world roads. Roads you'll find all over Latin America, not upstate NY.
As to cultural shock...in fact, when I moved from to Connecticut from another state, I experienced a cultural shock. As I have mentioned previously that when I re-visited San Francisco after several years, that too, was a bit of cultural shock from the East Coast, especial from the New England mentality...life is a forever learning experience. Certain places seem to be so much at home where others are not. I felt very much at home when I visited France, even though I am not French descendent nor I speak fluent French, but I felt at home; so I felt at home when I was in London and Tokyo, Japan...however, I felt totally intimidated when I was in Germany, and in most of the cities in CANADA?!?! Go figure...By the way, when I visited Tibet some years ago via Nepal then coming back via Sichuan, because of the difficult conditions that I had to endure I had no time to even think about cultural shock...at that time, I just wanted to be able to come home alive due to some food poisoning and high altitude!!! Thinking back....those were the most beautiful memories of life.
kwnyupstate -- Fckk off, dude. Milk dogs is part of their culture, you should respect that. Not like it, but at least respect it. Me too, I don't agree, but its their chinese culture, they are free to do whatever they want.
So does that mean you feel that mothers who breast feed their children are pedophiles too? That if they dare take a picture of it (NO "private" bits showing at all) you'd consider that child pornography? Come on... In Vietnam they breed specific dogs to EAT, so this really isn't that far off. I'm more curious how common it is and whether it's generally considered socially acceptable anywhere BUT way out in the boon docks. Sure we may find it disturbing, but what about people who eat snakes? I know in some parts of the world that's considered madness, but I enjoy a nice rattlesnake filet grilled up cajun style. (Or maybe you also find THAT as disgusting as this? Sorry, just really trying to understand...)
What about the deep denial ignore it and it goes away phase? I'm always amazed by how many people in Shenzhen live a lifestyle 100% like they are still in America. Learn no English, Hang out with foreigners, only eat at foreign owned restaurants. Here in Guangzhou we don't have such a large foreigner community so a lot of those things don't exist really.
"Learn no English"? Why would somebody come to China to learn English? I think you meant learn no Chinese. While you're at it, have you ever visited Seattle or San Francisco? There's a ton of Chinese people thinking they's living in Little China, and they can't speak English, nor do they want to learn.
Some people just want to live for location, but not culture. You get foreigners that come to the US, UK, Europe etc and stay in their own bubbles and communities too. Some foreigners go abroad and do the same thing. There's also plenty from both sides that assimilate. They'll always be both groups.
you beginnin to irritate me Yes, I meant Chinese. Good! You can read context ! Amazing. Yes been to both. Owned property in one ! Two wrongs don't make a right. Didn't your parents ever teach you this ?
Figureight Not many people move to China for location. The location doesn't offer much to foreigners. It wouldn't be like moving to a place where there are beautiful beaches and amazing tax breaks.
I wouldn't say that. I like Suzhou enough to make me consider living there. Not everywhere has to be paradise for it to feel like a nice place to live.
Japan is more civilized, yes, but it doesn't mean the people there are any more open-minded and their lifestyle any less f... up. Why is their lifestyle messed up? Because in their eyes it's perfectly normal to spend 14hours a day at work, live with mommy and daddy through their mid 30s, tolerate child porn, think they did nothing wrong in China, Korea and the Philippines during the first half of the 20th century, obey any kind of authority instead of using their own judgment, believe that foreigners are morally and racially inferior. And the list goes on.
Expats usually go through the exact same 4 stages in Japan (or anywhere really). You have those that adjust like Gimmeaflake, or those that don't .. like RyanBoundless.
Ma/ Prz/ Japan problems are nothing compared to china, china is a jungle, no laws and no freedom, no sens of being civilized, no manners, nothing organized, no security, health or social security, i can't live in a doubt all my life, these guys are between two swords, authority from a side and a divorce by the other.
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Guess I dont fit the mold. I have been in china now for 10 years. I lived in Shenzhen, Chongqing, and now in Suzhou. I can say I am as happy today as I was when I first arrived. I do have taken one year to study the language in South West University in Chongqing, and being able to have basic conversations helps allot. But yes, China, and Asia in general is not for everybody.
Andreas Hauschild you are right . I don’t think Chinese culture respect this two guys just make videos talk about china as their Job . They looks objective but actually misleading more .
Loved the drone shot at the end! Just got back to Kunming from a a Five day journey round Jinghong, Yuanjing areas so in process got a fair bit of mountain driving in, great opportunity to see some beautiful scenery.
They have labor camps where the inmates make Christmas decorations. The people in there do not count towards official prison statistics because most of them haven't been charged with crimes.
I watched a show about jails in china, and they have a pretty tough system. they have the prisoners sing, and if thy don't sing they belly club them until they do. Then they take them out to mow the lawn, by hand, one blade at a time. you do that in the states and 2.5 million liberals would be crying for 8.5 million years. I would like to see our laws toughen up maybe not as much as china, but liberal here whip criminals with a hot hershey bar. I just meant instead of china having prisoners mow grass the china way, have them grab a hefty grab bag and pick up trash. That's all. It's constructive criticism.
redwine65, this has nothing to do with inventing ridiculous laws and "jailing" people specifically to get free slave labor and fill private prisons for profit, like in US. Incarceration rate in US - 693 per 100,000, incarceration rate in China - 118 (official) 160 (unofficial, inculding labor camps ruanpingshan was talking about). That's almost 600 PERCENT more literally non-free citizens in US compared to China, there's simply no contest.
you don't have violent criminals pick up trash, you have your kids who made a mistake do it...then they learn from it, but are not a big threat to the community either. It works well in the US. and I think if the US jails were as harsh as china, you wouldn't have a lot of criminals looking for three hots and a cot, on the tax payers dime.
redwine65, what the hell are you talking about? It's not about "harshness of jails", it's about prisons being specifically used as slave camps predominantly for black people in US. In ALL other countries, including China, there are NOT ENOUGH PEOPLE IN PRISONS to use them as a significant part of work force. I'm not sure if I can answer your question about why prisoners don't pick up all that trash in China any clearer.
As with most places, it'll be better when the older generation kicks the bucket lol. The country looks amazing though and it's definitely still got a lot of unique stuff that places like America are way behind on. That forest you drove through looks amazing
Just hope that the new generation isn't made of wretched egalitarians like in the U.S.; a massive portion of elected officials introduce unquestionably *EVIL* laws JUST so they can pander to the undeserved female vote. China seems well insulated enough and has felt the effects of communism so maybe they'll avoid it (?)
Brilliant video guys, this is so good, chatter and exploring. C milk got bang on the money when he said that you both are dipping your toes in the water. No one else has had the foresight, imagination or bravery to do this. One of the most unexplored countries but also the most mysterious country and culture in the world . This is by far the best way to explore this wonderful land . If I had a hat I would tip it to you both . Awesome 😎😎
But why are Mainland chinese so rude and uncivlised? Poorer countries don't act as badly as mainland chinese, what's the deal with that? i thought they were meant to have 5000 years of culture and history, it sure doesn't seem like it
poorer countries are much worse but you don't realize it since you are less likely to go there and their citizens also have no money to travel abroad and risk demonstrating their poor behaviors.
One of the best videos you guys have produced. I have watched many times and it seems like a farewell to China whether you knew it at the time or not. The video is somewhat of an analogy to your China experience. I love when Winston says lets go this way because it is more "pikey". Always up for exploring or finding out more. Or when C-Milk notices the beautiful bamboo forest littered with trash. Amazed at the beauty but understanding the reality. My absolute favorite part is the ending with Winston holding the single flower in his hand in the middle of nowhere and summing up his feelings about his experience in China. That single flower in Winston's hand, at that moment, represented your appreciation for the beauty and experience that China has brought both of you. So simple..and very powerful. You conquered all of China.
I am glad you guys did a video such as this. During my time travel for State, I was able to see the true nature of countries and I was always surprised and pleased at what I encountered away from the developed "Western" cities. The true nature of a country's people comes from the heart of the land which is where you will find people such as that. If I return to a country that I once visited, I do my level best to return to the area outside of the city. Kudos and cheers to you both.
I admire these guys! So adventurous, so adaptable - serpentZA was penniless and homeless for a while, but made his way back and got married to a lovely lady - such resilience! Very cool videos, keep them coming - just slow down the head/helmet-cam movements - keep your eyes straight ahead and turn your head/helmet slowly side-to-side please.
I am always impressed by the "strategy" of ADV vids, the interweaving of the two video and audio sources, and how effectively they're edited together. Really well done, Winston!
Thanks mate!
ADVChina If you could make more 4K videos, that would be greatly appreciated. 😊
Yeah, it's a great format. I'm a motorcyclists/traveler myself so it's perfect background for their conversations.
I didn't get what was going on at first but yeah it's very neat
THAT'S why you call them "milk dogs"!?!?!? How has this not been an episode yet!?!?!?!?
Antaine Ó hÓgáin I was wondering what they meant on another video by 'milk dog'. I'm even more curious now.
I heard them mention milk dogs before but I had no idea THAT's what it meant. I was more than a little surprised, I've seen that done with goats in Cuba in pictures but man I was not expecting that.
Right they really need to do a video about this
It's the first time I realized what they were talking about. I was pretty shocked tbh
Milk dog shock.... uhhhhhh....uhhh.... milk ..dogggg... nnnnnooooo! (you can't unsee it).
"Money is the most important thing in Chinese culture" such communism, very socialist, Marx would be proud.
West takes in socialism becomes welfare nations, China takes in capitalism becomes market economy country, but China is still a state-capitalism country.
Lenin would revive
Money is not important at all in the US, 25% of your income goes to the government, you can live on land for 100 years and you still have to pay to be able to live on it, everything is taxed, but sure no need for money, haha
Communism is dead to 90% of the population. Money is their MAO now.
Their market has go even more capitalism then anywhere in the world lol. Except they still kept their communism ideology which one day, the problem will surely strike in the future. The youngster will finally start to protest
Wow you guys, thanks so much for this video. I've said in other comments on other videos, I spent one year in China and I have a pretty sour attitude towards China. But after watching your videos and watching how you really have come to accept China and everything in it (which is something I could never think of doing), I want to go again to give it another chance. I learned a lot of the language the first year, and met and talked pretty often with a Canadian who had been there for twenty years, and he gave us a lot of insight into how China really is, just like you guys. So I've heard a lot about this, but your guys' attitude living in China encourages me, and these steps help me realize it really is me that needs to start adjusting so I can start accepting. That's so great. So I really appreciate the videos and commentary, and I really really love your drone shots and driving around. That's really how you get to see China, and there's always something different and weird and new happening every day you go out. Something weird, questionable, shocking, but part of the culture. Thanks.
Superb video C-Milk and Serpentza 👍☺️
Thanks for keeping your thoughts opinions real and honest ... Stay Awesome 😉👍
Cool blog, like your videos a lot.
it's been already 2 years for me in China, 2 years of studying, teaching and police accidents, didn't get time for rose-tinted glasses, but I would say it's a good place and it definitely has a lot of opportunities.
ps Your drone footage is always awesome 👍
HOLY SHIT, You guys have to make an episode that focuses solely on those milkdogs!! WTF.
no they don't...
im curious enough about it
I'm chinese, first time in my 32 years life to know this milkdog's very existence
Lived in Korea for three years and contemplating whether to continue there. Your videos have been very helpful. I know you guys probably are criticized for being critical but I really appreciate your raw opinions. I think in Korea it is kind of hard to talk honestly about life as a foreigner since it can personally offend the people in your lives and talking about struggles is seen as weak. So once again, thank you for sharing your views.
13:10 “what’s a milk do-“
“Oh...alright then”
Update: I added milk dog to urban dictionary
That very UD article is one of the first things to appear when someone googles "china milk dog". It's how I got to this video.
I'm not so sure about the hospitality comment around 11:00. I recently just came home (November 4th) from China after 3 years living and teaching at a university. Two weeks before I came back, I lost my passport while taking a train from Nanjing (where I was teaching) to Shanghai (where I was flying home from). Basically I had only enough money to pay for my new passport and visa since I had sent all money to my Canadian bank account in which my card had expired over a year ago and couldn't use. I was only able to afford a hostel for 6 days out of the 14 I was there with the extra cash I had. After 6 days I 400rmb left to last me for the next 8 days before I could claim my new passport. I told the hostel manager I could only afford a few more nights and he straight up said "Don't worry about the money for the rent." He had seen me stressed over the situation for the last 6 days and told me he and his wife had no issues letting me stay for free to help ease my stress. I also hadn't eaten in 2 days and he came by the hostel room I was in with two bags of groceries (fruit, vegetables, bread and western snacks which I thought was adorable). His wife even took me to Suzhou for an overnight trip to help me take my mind off of things. They went above amd beyond to make me feel as warm and welcome as possible. They were strangers to me and I to them but they helped me and I can honestly say, I felt more at home with them than I ever did in Nanjing over the last 3 years. I will never forget them. I had no money but I felt I was treated better than those who knew I had money. I am home now and thinking of what kind of gifts I can send them for the amazing hospitality they had showed me.
I'm not saying every Chinese person is like this. But please don't say every Chinese person will treat you differently if you have no money because clearly that is a very thoughtless comment.
Nah, I'm glad he shared his experience. His experience is different from yours.
What do you teach?
Everyone has different experience wherever they travel or live. I'm happy he shared his comment and I don't think he meant to generalize. I think that's just the way westerners speak sometimes. It's not right by any means, but it's something to take into consideration. I don't know you but I'm really glad you're safe and were taken care of! Your situation could have turned really bad and very quickly.
I also find that males and females have different experiences. It's much harder for the elderly to see a young woman suffering than a male (I am a female and I know this by experience). Personality also plays a big role. Both these males have big characters that might make them seem a lot hardier (motorcyclists, outgoing, male). If they didn't have money people might react differently, thinking he can take care of himself. On the other hand, a stressed, sweet and and kind female will be harder to turn away out of fear that she might get hurt (I don't mean to be sexist, but it's quite easy for women to be taken advantage of or hurt by others based on physical size. It's harder for us to fight off).
I'm not saying I'm correct, I know that there are probably many chinese people who are willing to help stressed males as well. I'm just sharing what I've noticed based on my personal experiences.
Are you a woman?
Men dont get half the sympathy women do though. If anything they are the primary target for cruelty.
"Milk Dog"? WTF?
IKR EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEW
I know right
i have to say i am shocked even . never seen that in my 28-years life lol
First comment?! I really enjoyed this episode C-Milk talking about how you need to change yourself rather than the environment around you kinda struck a chord with me in a certain way within my own life right now. Really beautiful scenery very lush greens.
Tyler Yoder Exactly! C-Milk's comment is right on target!
YES NEW WESTERN TH-camRS SHOW TRUE GLORY OF GLORIOUS CHINA. GREAT POINT COMRADE
LET US COUNTER WESTERN LIES USING TRUTH BOMBS WITH CHINESE CHARACTERISTICS
@Leavea Aline......Get a grip. You are so out of touch it's not even funny...and you call them losers??? look in the mirror
Leavea Aline -- That's exactly what they say in this video. Newcomers are in the "Honey Moon" stage. You didn't even understand what they spoke, did you? Go take some english classes before commenting cr@p here.
Hey Winston, please do a video on “Milk Dog” never heard of it. Thanks!
+Vincent Chang no need, it’s self explanatory
Perhaps a video discussing various similar oddities that we foreigners to china might find as bizarre as this? I know you've mentioned several things like the public spitting, children urinating in the street, and milk dogs of course, but maybe a small refresher for us, not going into the gory details but perhaps more the socio-politcal side of it? Is this acceptable? In certain rural areas? Overall? That sort of thing. Stuff we as outsiders might find disturbing if we didn't know about it, but could learn more about China and Chinese culture from the video? I know I've become a LOT less judgmental and more accepting of Chinese tourists now that I understand a lot more (thanks to your channel) about WHY they do certain things they do. At restaurants, theme parks, etc. I've learned to be a lot more patient and not judge them for what I see as rude when to them it's a perfectly normal, NOT intentionally disrespectful way to act. We have heard you mention milk dogs a few times and now we have SEEN what they are, but what's behind it? How did it start? Is it common? If so, why? And are there any stigmas attached to it in China like we can see there are in other countries from these comments?
That short clip was nauseating enough. Now that I know the phenomenon exists I'd rather forget it.
I have already seen too much.
Dude I wanna know what a milk dog is forreal
"And you're hit with a-"
"Branch..."
J. B. Bost am glad i’m not the only one who noticed lolol
One of your best videos to date---self-aware, thoughtful, humble.
13:14 What the actual fuck?
he is just hungry for milk
Made in China do me a favor and remove your VPN lol.
中国制造 Made in China
What kind of magazines are you reading? :)
This made me think. How does dog milk actually taste? WHAT IF it's actually better than cow milk? Come to think of it, it's kinda weird that we're drinking animal milk to begin with.
Mowgli
Great video! An accurate description of what life has to offer you in China, both good and bad, and to some extent in other countries as well. It's been a pleasure accompanying you guys through your four stages and a real relief to be not the only one struggeling to get "used" to all the crazy and different here. In the end it is as you said, you will not be able to change people arround you, but you can definitely spot positive changes in behaviour here and there. Loved the drone shots and scenery! Keep the awesome work up!
Awesome, i see how your opinion have changed throughout the years as well as your maturity. No place is a Dreamland, period. Anyway i think you are the only reliable China-related youtubers out there... I gotta say watching your videos is the reason i'll move to China and i got to thank you again 'cause i wouldn't be prepared if i didnt watch your videos b4. Seriously never stop making these videos ;)
Love your channels! Retired to Nanning, Guangxi , married for 14 years, playing with my granddaughter while enjoying life. Great video and your spot on! Amazing the lessons you both teach us that can be applied to ALL facet of our lives!
I think I'm lucky, from the sense that I don't think I have ever really fallen out of the honeymoon into the frustrated part, but into the acknowledgement and acceptance. And I think this is because my level of Chinese was higher than the other foreigners around me, and I saw them going through this frustrated part and and knowing I didn't want to feel/act like they did, because they were being beyond ridiculous most of the time. I've definitely had a China day though, but those are far apart, thankfully.
+Blair that makes sense, knowing the language helps you understand the culture a lot
And your a white female so you probably get more perks then the average foreigner?
This series is in my top three favorite TH-cam contents ever. I mean that generally between this channel and both of your individual ones, because you guys are the whole package. Philosophy, family, food, political culture, socioeconomics, adventure, and BADASS bikes! Thank you for giving all of us other laowai a chance to see the other side of the world. Stay Awesome!
ANOTHER ADVChina video, hell yeah boys, keep them coming! Greetings from the Midwest, USA
Max Werner
The MIDWEST!
Greetings from China town. Heh
Hello from Iowa!
Hello guys thanks from Iowa
Dr Aaron, where I live, it is a very nice community. There's no poverty and little crime. Look up "Whitefish Bay, Wisconsin"
Keep those anecdotes com'n, guys. What I love about ADVChina most are the narratives you guys have to share from your own lived & observed experiences. It's hard to find that kind of insight from other channels out of China.
Very nice video guys! I like how you describe your TH-cam experience. I've been youtubing from China for almost 4 years and the thing you do mainly focus on during your stay is major differences. As you said in the beginning everything is just amazing after a while you get used to stuff and start seeing the negative aspects. After you've seen that you realise that no country is perfect and maybe offer more communication between your own country and China.
I trust these two gentlemen's point of view about China. Firstly, they have been in China long enough to judge this country. Secondly, I was Chinese, I knew what they said, and their experience shared on You Tube, are absolutely true. No matter you like to hear /watch from this channel or you hate it, that is real China.
I have returned to America for I don't know how long, after four years, off and on, in China. America is not as great as I had remembered. And in America, I don't have such strong negative feelings about China as I had when living there. Perspective, I guess. I have been having an ongoing debate with my cousin who lives in Spain about being content in your surroundings, wherever you may be. A good way to be, if you can manage it. Some of us are perpetual malcontents. I never had a real honeymoon experience with China, nor did I experience such deep frustrations either. I have largely lived in a bubble created by my wife. I have had my complaints for sure...but usually I was more apt to laugh at the things I found strange or even disagreeable in China. China is a big country, and I am sure it has many places of great scenic beauty...but what I have seen can't compare with North America. And I must be the only person in the world who doesn't find Chinese food "delicious". But even an old man can appreciate the many beautiful women one sees in China. The big cities are amazing. I love the high speed trains. The best thing about China is the people. They have been almost without exception welcoming and friendly. I regret I didn't make more of my opportunities while living in China. I would recommend to anyone coming to China to learn the language and to dive in wholeheartedly. I wonder what the future holds for foreigners in China? I wonder what my future in China, however long or short it may be, holds for me? Good video, guys. Keep it up! Stay Awesome!
Southern China food is better XP
Nice read I usually read negative things about China. I'm kinda binge watching vlogs about the place because I'm moving there next month to teach English. The animal cruelty bothers me a lot and pollution levels but I what can I do I signed a contract already. With that said I may think it's an amazing place a few months from now. I will be training in Beijing but can still choose what city I'd like. I'm thinking chongquing. Cheap and pollution isn't bad there. I am in my early 20s and am going on my own not knowing much about the place.
That sounds like some racist bullshit dude
I agree. Nobody truly likes the local food in mainland China.
Waingro808 Chinese people treat their food as the second most important thing in daily life. So the first consideration about food is safety, rather than delicious. Chinese food is not a single style that one person could make a conclusion. It is originated from 1.4 billion Chinese people and 56 nations. No one could say I don't like Chinese food cause there are so many kind of food in china that you even don't know. Don't make a comment to show your ignorance!
Excellent video! Such production quality and reflection. And of course beautiful drone shots at 19:10.
that milkdog what the fuuck
The Fuzz how do you thing he got his nickname?
Oh man, i wish i can unsee things!
cbin chen WTF, that is messed up
Mandrake high No, I never heard about it neither.
good job mate, you really worked hard to find those videos. Write a thesis, they might award you a PhD.
I love the mature outtake these 15-20 minute conversations have. I'm often just popping in to watch these videos you guys make, because there is much to take from it all. It's clear you're both hardened and experienced, and you're sharing it in such a fun yet very educational way.
Cheers!
There is sort of a progression of being a expat, kinda like the stages of grief. This is one of the stages. But after awhile, it's the same as home. You still have to wake up, put your pants on one leg at a time and go to work.
Now, 4 countries later, I pretty much just wish for AI robots because people everywhere suck and no escape from stupidity.
First time I return to the US after several years abroad, I hated it. I kept thinking, where the hell did all these foreigners come from? Why are people more slovenly dressed than 4 years ago? Why do I feel like a criminal, always looking over my shoulder for some cop to bust me for whatever minor violation.
You begrudge foreigners being in your country all the while you're touring a bunch of other people's countries? Doesn't that strike you as a bit hypocritical?
This specific and (enough) moving episode decided me to follow your channel !
Thank you a lot for all what you do in helping others, and me the first, to get a bit of understanding about this incredible and so different country and civilization.
“I Remember U” is such a good theme song, never gets old
A bit gay if you ask me. Probably C-Milk picked it. 😁
Thomas T is it their theme song or a famous song ? Excuse my lack of knowledge in that kind of music cause I like rap, but I like the song
Yo Mama I actually misspelled the title of the song, which I will now edit. It’s actually “I Remember U”, not produced by Winston or C-Milk. They just chose to use it as their theme song, and it’s a pretty good choice imo
I learned about that song through ADVChina. I play it on my daily playlist. When I first subbed & heard the song, it just hooked me right away. Check out the music video here on TH-cam, it's pretty weirdly funny.
I'm not a fan of the remix
Ive been abroad here in Asia for 4 years. This is so true and honestly so encouraging. I really appreciate your guys' vids. So authentic.
Serpentza I'd love to know more about how you pulled yourself out of being homeless and starving.
I'd second that. I'd like to hear more details on what homelessness is like in China, for both the Chinese and foreigners living in the country
I'd also like to hear more about that
right...? 2 days ?....can we know more about that...slept where..? how broke ? ate what ? then what happen ? sudden rebound ?
There is a pimp involved , If I recall.
Just wanted to say I love the videos! I look forward to them every day, and can't wait to see what you guys do next. Stay Awesome!
Those stages apply to frequent travellers to China also. I definitely romanticised it on the first couple trips, and thus also blindly defended the negatives that many people judged China by. However after a few more trips and a decade later the honeymoon is long gone and I'm at the acceptance/reality part (still with some frustration in the mix too though). Even though I'm no longer amazed by everything I see and the country feels very "familiar" now, China is varied and big enough to keep me coming back for more. Oh and we don't all just go on tours to Shanghai and Beijing, give us some credit for being adventurous also ;-)
What a great episode you guys! One of the best so far. Thumbs up ..and stay awesome!
@Serpentza:
I think it's because you, and Laowhy' have a love of both nature, and riding bikes.
I think that's what saved it for you, otherwise when the Honey-crash came, you'd be in a state of Permanently-Pissed-Off! I'm glad though. Your vids' teach us more of what we'd needed to know travelling there, and not knowing what questions to ask, or what to bring, or do. *_And what to avoid!!!_*
Come on, if what they love is only riding. They can literally ride anywhere else in the world! Don't be so gullible.
@Chris Song:
I said nature *_ANNND_* riding bikes!
Is this your first time writing in english!?!
I think it has to do a bit more with their mentality, there is this feeling, when you go on a bike tour and stuck in the mud try for an hour to get through it, maybe take a bath in it, it is just fun after all, other people would just bitch about situations like this but for them (and for me) if shit happens, it is an adventure.
Hi great job. You guys are cool. Such a delightful conversation.🙂
Dreaddead88: If you want to move to any different culture you need to find peace for yourself during times spent in privacy and leisure by: learning the language and keeping a healthy body and mind, if you can not do that, you will squeeze yourself out. Taking a break into anther country definitely refreshes your opinion on yourself and the world.
Thanks guys. Such an awesome true to the heart vlog. Greatly appreciated.
It's the same everywhere way too many people think all their problems are going to go away if they change location. Some stuff might get better other stuff might get worse.
The Gentleman Racer, your solution? Stay in one place, do nothing?
Bear Arms no my point is thinking your whole life is going to be magically better just by changing location is foolish. The world is an amazing place but it’s also what you make of it, no matter where you are.
South Africa is on my list to visit, but not live. I wouldn't want to live in China though I enjoy my visits.
Dr Aaron 301 Absolutely NOOO... for me. It is a racism, violent and has so many things seem out of controls in this society. It is a big "mess" compared to China where society is so very peaceful, safe, even "gentle" in general (despite some minor temporary shortcomings need to be improved), because most of the Chinese people tend to be humble, appreciated and content with what they have and keep things for themselves tendency. Certainly, these are the many reasons why these two white guys despite so love even rudely(for a Chinese's eyes) complaining and so unhappy and "shit this and shit that" about China all the times but still don't want to go back to their own countries such as South Africa. If it was for me, for sure I would go home for good to avoid all these "miserable " places at once, but the fact is, China does not OWE them anything?! Just wonder why?! So, the Chinese government is right; it does make sense and may be why it is so difficult for an ordinary person to become a Chinese /Chinese Citizen.
The Gentleman Racer, but there are tonnes of examples when life does become magically better. Being gay in Saudi Arabia is vastly worse than being gay in Sweden. Being sub-middle class in America is vastly worse than in Canada or Norway, etc.
I think you're talking about situation when life is great as it is, but even then it's a gross generalization to say that everywhere is the same, each country has it's own mindset, and it might suit you better that the one in your native country.
It'll be more accurate to say that you have to try to look at other countries objectively
You guys really nailed the 4 stages. I never lived in China but have spent 10 years traveling from the far north to the south of it for business. All my trips take me through the 'real China' as you put it. The frustration still gets to me when something so simple can't get done but in the last couple of years I've learned to accept I can't change it. I love your videos and show them to anyone who asks me about China is like. Keep up the great work.
Appalachia is China landscape without all the garbage, pollution, and bullshit.
One of the best aspects of these videos is that not only do you get perspective on China, you gain perspective on where you live as well.
the go west moment was so cheesy and funny lol :D
Hey guys, I'm not into China, and I can't remember how I actually fell over your channel, but this video hit home in some distorted way. I've also moved from my home country and I know exactly what you mean about starting to understand and realizing that they are not debating philosophy. I've been married, had a child and now divorced which ties me to this country, but your discussions really give a new and fresh perspective to moto vlogging. It's not about the bikes, nor the destination....it's the journey. It's your surroundings. Yet again I find myself reflecting after one of your vids. This one more than usual. Thank you.
Love this video! Everything you said about the 4 stages is true for foreigners coming to Japan as well. Of course, the things that are good and bad are different compared to Japan, but you go through those phases here as well. Nicely done and said!
Japan is a developed country, Japanese are even more disciplined than Europeans, so what's the bad to Westerners??
well, when I travel to the world, I see much more stress on Japanese face that I never see in other countries, is living in Japan a too much stressful to West expats?
for locals, it's extremely stressful. for expats, not so much.
Pure awesomeness! Great topic, great scenery, great riding the bikes and talking!
Wow this video got some deep stuffs in it
Been following you guys for a few months now. I must say I really enjoyed this one.
ah ha! c-milk means canine milk! He loves that dog milk!
Awesome video guys,the drone shots are well cool,its nice to see different vlogs areas on these.
A really great video. This is why i am subscribed to both of your channels. You guys dont make China look like heaven like some do, or hell like some do. The content is pretty much down to earth, just the way i like it. It feels very....real.
Anyways, cheers.
they do make china like hell.....my daily life is 1000 times better than he talks in his stupid videos. And he does discriminate a lot on chinese
Is that so? Do explain if you can, because just by looking at the background, China looks beautiful, but far from a paradise (no such thing FYI).
Nodosa 这不是屁话吗？哪个国家都是这种情况，无论是美国还是非洲，都有好的和坏的方面。他们只是说了一堆废话，但是如果中国不好，早就离开了。他们只是想靠谈论中国赚钱而已
Your video format is just awesome. Lot's of interesting and beautiful things to look at, while listening to a nice interesting conversation. :)
Classic ADV on the bikes: thumbs up. But for the love of all that is good Winston, fix your tach!
Haha yeah that keeps bothering me too every time I see it...
Really enjoyed this one, nice perspective on living in ANY new country..Thanks guys!
Really interesting video.
I hope my honeymoon period lasts forever ;)
It won't, that's the point of the video lol.
Why go to China? America has everything China has except falling down buildings and milk dogs. Including Chinese people.
I love these motorbike Q&A videos, keep em comin' Thanks dude.
One on hand, you have first tier cities that can rival Tokyo and NY; on the other hand you have third world villages that seem to be stuck in the 50's. That's what makes China unique.
Good video, great scenes and conversation as well. I like how you guys pretty much stay focused on your topic.
I had one friend who use to ride all over Long Island, NY with me. We set a travel itinerary to have at least a coffee in each town and talk about the history of that place or area.
This was before small portable video camera systems and voice coms were definitely for the wealthy and weren’t that clear or reliable.
I thought about a PBS TV show but .... well. The persons least to support you and your ideas; are the one’s closest.
I almost forgot; stay awesome guys.
3:20 - THE MILK DOG ! WTF! Hahaha!
Thanks, a good insight on what some of us can expect in the future and how to deal with it!
Tell us your Taiwan story, C-Milk! (I say this as someone who lives in Taiwan!)
if he did that he will piss off chinese, and taiwanese! so i don't see him telling that story.
That is enough +Dr Aaron 301, why you have to put the endless mainlanders/Chinese and Taiwanese quarrels here, they don't even know anything about it. And what is good for you when you say they are Chinese and good at doing all bad things?
Mengchu Hu they are bad Chinese, not the good one as our mainlanders.
Taiwanese may be huaren, but they're not zhongguoren.
see what i mean? merely a mention of the word taiwan and butthurt for days..
Sounds like some great lessons for any world traveler! Can't wait to see Conquering Northern China!
Ya know what's funny , 95% of Upstate, western and the Southern Tier of New York looks exactly what you guys are biking thru, but the millions of people who live in NYC, and the other downstate counties would never consider that area the "Real New York"
Chen Chang nah, as someone who lives in upstate NY, it's shit and not real New York. It looks nothing like this though
@@devonrusinek5807 he's talking absolute rubbish. Those roads are definitely third world roads. Roads you'll find all over Latin America, not upstate NY.
Thank you so much for publishing this amazing ride!
As to cultural shock...in fact, when I moved from to Connecticut from another state, I experienced a cultural shock. As I have mentioned previously that when I re-visited San Francisco after several years, that too, was a bit of cultural shock from the East Coast, especial from the New England mentality...life is a forever learning experience. Certain places seem to be so much at home where others are not. I felt very much at home when I visited France, even though I am not French descendent nor I speak fluent French, but I felt at home; so I felt at home when I was in London and Tokyo, Japan...however, I felt totally intimidated when I was in Germany, and in most of the cities in CANADA?!?! Go figure...By the way, when I visited Tibet some years ago via Nepal then coming back via Sichuan, because of the difficult conditions that I had to endure I had no time to even think about cultural shock...at that time, I just wanted to be able to come home alive due to some food poisoning and high altitude!!! Thinking back....those were the most beautiful memories of life.
re: "milk dogs".... is that kid doing what i think he's doing? @ 13:15
kwnyupstate -- Fckk off, dude. Milk dogs is part of their culture, you should respect that. Not like it, but at least respect it. Me too, I don't agree, but its their chinese culture, they are free to do whatever they want.
--because we don't have a choice in how they live their lives and it's not hurting anyone. Knock it off.
So does that mean you feel that mothers who breast feed their children are pedophiles too? That if they dare take a picture of it (NO "private" bits showing at all) you'd consider that child pornography? Come on... In Vietnam they breed specific dogs to EAT, so this really isn't that far off. I'm more curious how common it is and whether it's generally considered socially acceptable anywhere BUT way out in the boon docks. Sure we may find it disturbing, but what about people who eat snakes? I know in some parts of the world that's considered madness, but I enjoy a nice rattlesnake filet grilled up cajun style. (Or maybe you also find THAT as disgusting as this? Sorry, just really trying to understand...)
kwnyupstate -- Man, fffk the fkk off, you're too stupid.
stop culturally appropriating chinas milk dog culture!!!
have been watching for years just found out, that the intro song is from a real artist and not just you guys. keep up the great work.
What about the deep denial ignore it and it goes away phase? I'm always amazed by how many people in Shenzhen live a lifestyle 100% like they are still in America. Learn no English, Hang out with foreigners, only eat at foreign owned restaurants. Here in Guangzhou we don't have such a large foreigner community so a lot of those things don't exist really.
"Learn no English"? Why would somebody come to China to learn English? I think you meant learn no Chinese. While you're at it, have you ever visited Seattle or San Francisco? There's a ton of Chinese people thinking they's living in Little China, and they can't speak English, nor do they want to learn.
Some people just want to live for location, but not culture. You get foreigners that come to the US, UK, Europe etc and stay in their own bubbles and communities too. Some foreigners go abroad and do the same thing. There's also plenty from both sides that assimilate. They'll always be both groups.
you beginnin to irritate me Yes, I meant Chinese. Good! You can read context ! Amazing. Yes been to both. Owned property in one ! Two wrongs don't make a right. Didn't your parents ever teach you this ?
Figureight Not many people move to China for location. The location doesn't offer much to foreigners. It wouldn't be like moving to a place where there are beautiful beaches and amazing tax breaks.
I wouldn't say that. I like Suzhou enough to make me consider living there. Not everywhere has to be paradise for it to feel like a nice place to live.
Beautiful footage at the end! Thanks for making these videos, they're always super interesting
5th stage - Japan
Japan is more civilized, yes, but it doesn't mean the people there are any more open-minded and their lifestyle any less f... up. Why is their lifestyle messed up? Because in their eyes it's perfectly normal to spend 14hours a day at work, live with mommy and daddy through their mid 30s, tolerate child porn, think they did nothing wrong in China, Korea and the Philippines during the first half of the 20th century, obey any kind of authority instead of using their own judgment, believe that foreigners are morally and racially inferior. And the list goes on.
"The Prozzie Stage"
Expats usually go through the exact same 4 stages in Japan (or anywhere really). You have those that adjust like Gimmeaflake, or those that don't .. like RyanBoundless.
Ma/ Prz/ Japan problems are nothing compared to china, china is a jungle, no laws and no freedom, no sens of being civilized, no manners, nothing organized, no security, health or social security, i can't live in a doubt all my life, these guys are between two swords, authority from a side and a divorce by the other.
Not really. You go through all the phases here in Japan too. Just the things that start pissing you off are different.
KEEP making them like this!!! excellent work!!!
You can’t show a video of a little kid drinking a dog’s milk without explaining wtf that was.
+Androgynous Penguin it was a milk dog
ADVChina Why is it so difficult to find documentation of this practice?
Pica may be a sign of immune-mediated hemolytic anemia, especially when it involves eating substance such as tile grout, concrete dust, and sand. Kerry Trebilcock, 21, suffers from a condition called pica, The Sun reported.
alfyakuza www.google.com/amp/s/amp.reddit.com/r/vegan/comments/44fs82/dog_milk/
Ms. Nohotyoga I guess you didn't read the thread before posting the link.
I love your chemistry dudes, you build on each other's comments
Guess I dont fit the mold. I have been in china now for 10 years. I lived in Shenzhen, Chongqing, and now in Suzhou. I can say I am as happy today as I was when I first arrived. I do have taken one year to study the language in South West University in Chongqing, and being able to have basic conversations helps allot. But yes, China, and Asia in general is not for everybody.
Andreas Hauschild you are right . I don’t think Chinese culture respect this two guys just make videos talk about china as their Job .
They looks objective but actually misleading more .
What type of work do you do? Teaching English as well?
Such a great video! I enjoyed every second of it.
Your feelings are exactly the same with what I experienced in US.. Probably it's because there is a thing called culture shock.
I just wanted to say I loved your Northern China documentary. Great job guys.
I found the milk dog!
NO,Are you kidding me？ as a chinese.I don't know what's the milk dog
Loved the drone shot at the end! Just got back to Kunming from a a Five day journey round Jinghong, Yuanjing areas so in process got a fair bit of mountain driving in, great opportunity to see some beautiful scenery.
Im surprised china doesn't have nonviolent prisoners pick up the trash, like in the US
They have labor camps where the inmates make Christmas decorations. The people in there do not count towards official prison statistics because most of them haven't been charged with crimes.
I watched a show about jails in china, and they have a pretty tough system. they have the prisoners sing, and if thy don't sing they belly club them until they do. Then they take them out to mow the lawn, by hand, one blade at a time. you do that in the states and 2.5 million liberals would be crying for 8.5 million years. I would like to see our laws toughen up maybe not as much as china, but liberal here whip criminals with a hot hershey bar. I just meant instead of china having prisoners mow grass the china way, have them grab a hefty grab bag and pick up trash. That's all. It's constructive criticism.
redwine65, this has nothing to do with inventing ridiculous laws and "jailing" people specifically to get free slave labor and fill private prisons for profit, like in US.
Incarceration rate in US - 693 per 100,000, incarceration rate in China - 118 (official) 160 (unofficial, inculding labor camps ruanpingshan was talking about). That's almost 600 PERCENT more literally non-free citizens in US compared to China, there's simply no contest.
you don't have violent criminals pick up trash, you have your kids who made a mistake do it...then they learn from it, but are not a big threat to the community either. It works well in the US. and I think if the US jails were as harsh as china, you wouldn't have a lot of criminals looking for three hots and a cot, on the tax payers dime.
redwine65, what the hell are you talking about? It's not about "harshness of jails", it's about prisons being specifically used as slave camps predominantly for black people in US.
In ALL other countries, including China, there are NOT ENOUGH PEOPLE IN PRISONS to use them as a significant part of work force. I'm not sure if I can answer your question about why prisoners don't pick up all that trash in China any clearer.
Appreciate the depth of this episode. :) Thank you!
Loving something is accepting the flaws and enjoying the good parts.
Happy to see you on the bikes again
As with most places, it'll be better when the older generation kicks the bucket lol. The country looks amazing though and it's definitely still got a lot of unique stuff that places like America are way behind on. That forest you drove through looks amazing
haha. you funny. your turn will be sooner than you think....
Just hope that the new generation isn't made of wretched egalitarians like in the U.S.; a massive portion of elected officials introduce unquestionably *EVIL* laws JUST so they can pander to the undeserved female vote.
China seems well insulated enough and has felt the effects of communism so maybe they'll avoid it (?)
Thanks for another great episode, guise!
Wow less than 10 views! Love to join the
Brilliant video guys, this is so good, chatter and exploring. C milk got bang on the money when he said that you both are dipping your toes in the water. No one else has had the foresight, imagination or bravery to do this. One of the most unexplored countries but also the most mysterious country and culture in the world . This is by far the best way to explore this wonderful land . If I had a hat I would tip it to you both . Awesome 😎😎
But why are Mainland chinese so rude and uncivlised? Poorer countries don't act as badly as mainland chinese, what's the deal with that? i thought they were meant to have 5000 years of culture and history, it sure doesn't seem like it
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poorer countries are much worse but you don't realize it since you are less likely to go there and their citizens also have no money to travel abroad and risk demonstrating their poor behaviors.
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Taiwanese should go to Paris India Africa, then compare with China, you will see difference..
Jinbin Lv have been to all those countries - Mainland chinese are the worst by far
Another awesome video,keep up the hard work.
就喜欢看你们俩的视频
xian yu 250
确实是个250
xian yu 你一定不是中国人吧！
听不懂他们说什么把，你个傻吊
别那么心理狭隘，好么？
Great videos guys. Keep up the good work
Cmilk & SerpentZA = Inspirational -in the best of ways
You guys have an amazing and far underrated Chanel
great video guys, you guys are getting better and better
One of the best videos you guys have produced. I have watched many times and it seems like a farewell to China whether you knew it at the time or not. The video is somewhat of an analogy to your China experience. I love when Winston says lets go this way because it is more "pikey". Always up for exploring or finding out more. Or when C-Milk notices the beautiful bamboo forest littered with trash. Amazed at the beauty but understanding the reality. My absolute favorite part is the ending with Winston holding the single flower in his hand in the middle of nowhere and summing up his feelings about his experience in China. That single flower in Winston's hand, at that moment, represented your appreciation for the beauty and experience that China has brought both of you. So simple..and very powerful. You conquered all of China.
It is an amazing episode! Guess the negatives started to outweigh the positives soon after..
Thank you for sharing, Gentlemen. That was a beautiful story.
I am glad you guys did a video such as this. During my time travel for State, I was able to see the true nature of countries and I was always surprised and pleased at what I encountered away from the developed "Western" cities. The true nature of a country's people comes from the heart of the land which is where you will find people such as that. If I return to a country that I once visited, I do my level best to return to the area outside of the city. Kudos and cheers to you both.
Great discussion in this video! I can totally understand how you guys feel!
Great video guys,stay awesome,from Australia!
I admire these guys! So adventurous, so adaptable - serpentZA was penniless and homeless for a while, but made his way back and got married to a lovely lady - such resilience! Very cool videos, keep them coming - just slow down the head/helmet-cam movements - keep your eyes straight ahead and turn your head/helmet slowly side-to-side please.
My friend and I have been here for a year now and we're definitely in stage 2 right now! So much frustration! This video is super relatable.