Will France send NATO troops to Ukraine?
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- French President Emmanual Macron made a statement yesterday suggesting the possibility of "deployment" of NATO forces in Ukraine. Could this mean war with Russia if French forces will be sent to Ukraine? Clarifying his earlier statements following quick rebuttals of any suggestions of direct intervention by the United States, United Kingdom, Germany, and Poland among others, Macron elucidated his meaning noting that "deployment" might involve de-mining personnel, cyber-security systems, and production of munitions and arms in country.
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Note: Andrzej Duda was the President of Poland, not Prime Minister of Poland as I erroneously said.
Tusk: 😠
You also said the war is now in its second year instead of third year.
How do you make your animations?
Despite that, your pronounciation was surprisingly good!
Please do one on the Slavicization of Eastern Europe!
Imagine NATO had a PMC like Wagner who they could deploy in Ukraine and say that they technically did not deploy NATO troops and that the company fighting in Ukraine is an indepented privately owned company who just happens to have enlisted soldiers from NATO countries and somehow borrowed their tanks and planes.
It’s called blackwater
Would be like Academi former Blackwater, something like that?
I think using mercenaries sets a dangerous precedent. Blackwater PMC was involved in numerous scandals in Iraq and recently several PMC groups in Yemen have been employed by Saudi Arabia to assasinate political rivals and human rights activists.
Ukraine gets French foreign legion and Russia has Wagner. Fair is fair.
@@cossackhistorian7425Which purely serves the US.
The problem with 'strategic ambiguity' is that you have to be ambiguous to everyone to be credible. Not only the side you want to intimidate - Russia in this case - but also to your own electorate. And with that idea being overwhelmingly unpopular across Western countries, its not that surprising that the loudest objections have come from those that are having important elections in the near future (US and Germany). And that makes Macron's strategic ambiguity basically useless and probably creates more problems than it solves.
Yes, because the average voter is a moron.
nah it will calm Putin. People around Putin will be more scared now. Their adventure can end very badly. And it's not a joke. War start stupidly and you do not know how to stop it. Putin is not the only one who can end that war. He thinks he is in control. He is not.
Holy schmeckles you're here too?
I think that one of the reason France want send troop is because they lost influence in Africa and Russia get influence there so France take that personally but peoples slowly get tire more and more about "Russia this Russia that" but peoples forget that France doing Neo colonialism too and blame Russia to want doing same... complexe stuff
@@redzeckez3346 i had a stroke reading that.
Andrzej Duda is the president, not prime minister
My bad - will rectify in a note. Thanks for the heads up.
@@historywithhilbert146he is not polish president, he’s just funny meme
He is still a Maggot
Duda - meaning "bagpipe" ( from German "Dudelsack") or "bad musician", the common Polish surname Duda is most likely an occupational name for someone who played the bagpipes or, possibly, someone who played them poorly. A dudy is a form of bagpipe with a single reed in the chanter, common in the southern and western areas of Bohemia in the Czech Republic, and in parts of Poland and Austria.
Another possible meaning, suggested by Polish name expert Prof. Kazimierz Rymut in his book "Nazwiska Polakow" (The Surnames of Poland), is "one who made a lot of unnecessary noise".
@@dittmannrudolfrohr2149- 🤓☝️
German Chancellor has just revealed there already are French and British troops in Ukraine helping with the cruise missiles
Welcome to the meat grinder
There have been soldier within Ukraine to help train Ukrainians. Ukrainians have also gone to other countries (like Spain) for training. Training for using equipment and military training. There have also been volunteers from numerous countries and some paid as well, which shouldn't be a problem since Russia has been doing that from the start. The difference is that no one is going into Russia Federation and NATO isn't there fighting. France hasn't been part of NATO sonce the 60's, so although France is a valuable ally, Macron doesn't have a say in what the alliance will or won't do. It's sort of like the Kremlin claiming to be blowing up Abrams tanks for two years when they only were recently aquired for use in Ukraine. There haven't been Nazi's, NATO, combat beetles, werewolves or any other strange and untrue things that Putin has claimed to be the reason for murdering Ukrainians. He wants the USSR back. Which most of us realized that, but the interesting history lesson to Tucker Carlson should have wok a least a few people up to what he really is up to. And he has zero intentions of confining it to Ukraine.
@@IcerinAlaska49" France hasn't been part of NATO sonce the 60's"
We left operational command, not NATO in the 60's, and we joined back in 2011.
Wow, this is such a secret. Literally all longrange weapons in Ukraine are controlled by military personnel of NATO countries - in particular Poland and France. For example, Hymers MLRS. Only an idiot would think that the Ukrainians themselves are doing this. It will be the same with f-16 etc. The only question is when Russia will run out of patience and the EU capital will be engulfed in atomic flames.
I don’t think that really was a secret anyway , Ukraine is using very expensive western systems, pretty sure the surveillance / intelligence/ targeting is all handled by western specialists, in order not to waste couple mil of usd per each launch.
Macron is pissed because they got a bye in West Africa. The Russians replaced them. Let them send their French soldiers. And for Ukraine, if you want to help, organize a voluntary fundraiser. Do not touch the money of all citizens of EU 🇨🇿
Russia only has a few stakes in 2-3 EAST African nations. France doesn’t give a damn about those ones.
By the way, as a Russian, I hope 🇨🇿, and 🇷🇺 could be a friends again one day. I know, our history is very complicated after communism, but we are all Slavic.
And the French replaced Russia in Armenia and got lucrative contracts in Turkmenistan and Kazakhstan, aka Russia's backyard, and that pisses Putin off
@@alexbayer2365Ukrainians are slavic too
@@MegaJellyNelly ofc. They are Slavic too.
If France send troops to Ukraine they are French troops, not NATO troops. Only if the members of NATO declare that a NATO member is attacked they might be called NATO troops.
There are no rules.
Invoking Article V requires a unanimous decision of all NATO Member States, so if one of them attacks another, it is pretty sure they will veto Article V.
But …
An unprovoked attack would be a violation of the UN Charter. Since the NATO Treaty specifically refers to the UN Charter, this would be ground to expel the aggressor from NATO after which Article could be invoked.
However …
The NATO Treaty states that an attack on one nation must be considered an attack on all of them, IT DOES NOT SPECIFY MILITARY ACTION.
So, in practice, most countries would file a diplomatic complaint and look the other way.
Turkey and Greece have had plenty of armed skirmishes and everyone looked the other way after filing a complaint.
What about Great Britain?
Suppose that France sent her troops to Ukraine (with no NATO involvement) and the situation escalated between Russia and France to the point that Russia hit Paris with a missile . Would this invoke NATO's Article 5 ?
@@teswsenbet1041 I don’t wish it’ll happen
@@christophermichaelclarence6003 I think it is Russia’s recent gains in the battle fields that triggered Macron’s new idea. I think Macron (and other western leaders) didn’t foresee this as one of the possibilities. The western leaders thought that they could defeat Russia without invoking a nuclear war. This is a dangerous game.
People keep misunderstanding what he said he never said “let’s put NATO troops in Ukraine“ he said that the idea of putting troops in Ukraine should not be ruled out.
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Yea easy to feed russian misinfo to people who don't really know how the international order works. IF every single NATO member country sans USA sends their OWN army into Ukraine to help out, even article 5 is void if their HOME country attacked in return.
Thus they are fully within their rights to use their OWN military in any ways they want, if it's not a NATO deployment. There is a very good reason Putin tries to maintain good relationship with Erdogan. He alone could likely stop his adventures in Ukraine if he was willing.
He said that this idea should not be ruled out right after saying that Russia must be defeated at all cost.
This means that yes, if Ukraine continues losing, French troops'll be sent to fight Russia.
And knowing Macron, it's really not a fantasy to think that he may provoke WW3.
@@kanadashyuugo873 if France sends its military into Ukraine, then Russia and France are at war. Russia and France will therefore be justified in striking eachother in their own nations. If Russia strikes France, as they would have the right to do as they would be at war, France would try to evoke article 5.
Let's not forget about Frances doctrine to strike with nuclear force first.....
Macron should volunteer himself as Bonaparte Napoleon.
Yes, like the other zionist warmongers like Victoria Nuland, Boris Johnson, Antony Blinken and Ron Klain
A.k.a Napoleon the 4th
Pyotr Bagration be like :- come close to me . i will kick your nuts.
Macron A.k.a biden version 2
Worked out well for Napoleon in Russia…
They will be French troops. There are no NATO troops. Being a member of an alliance does not make your troops theirs. France can do whatever it wants as long as it does not represent NATO while doing it. If Poland sends Polish troops to Ukraine it will be sending Polish troops under Polish command and not NATO troops under NATO command.
There are no rules.
Invoking Article V requires a unanimous decision of all NATO Member States, so if one of them attacks another, it is pretty sure they will veto Article V.
But …
An unprovoked attack would be a violation of the UN Charter. Since the NATO Treaty specifically refers to the UN Charter, this would be ground to expel the aggressor from NATO after which Article could be invoked.
However …
The NATO Treaty states that an attack on one nation must be considered an attack on all of them, IT DOES NOT SPECIFY MILITARY ACTION.
So, in practice, most countries would file a diplomatic complaint and look the other way.
Turkey and Greece have had plenty of armed skirmishes and everyone looked the other way after filing a complaint.
Если на Францию упадет ядерная бомба, то она упадет на Францию ,а не на НАТО )
Are you serious with this statement? If France sends troop to fight Russia, it will be an official war declaration and Russia has every right to strike Paris with long range missiles. If Paris is under attack directly, Will NAFO get involved because of article 5? OF COURSE, YES. As long as France is in NAFO, its troops is NAFO troops, PERIOD!
It still means that France enters directly in a war with Russia and Russia could strike France in retaliation.
I do not know if you have noticed, but France has nukes also, and not only does France have a first use policy, they have a warning shot policy. You actually think that if Russia uses nukes on France they will just sit there and take it? You do not think that France will retaliate against Moscow with a few nukes of their own. Not only this, but France is a member of NATO. A few NATO countries also have nukes also. They will be put in a position having to use those nukes. Do you really think that they will sit by and let Russia nuke another NATO country without retaliating. One country may, but there are still several NATO countries with nukes of their own all capable of nuking Russia. Every single one of them would just have to just stand by. In addition because Trump showed an unwillingness to come to the aid of allies there was probably an enormous amount of nuclear proliferation during his term. Probably a number of nations have nukes, but for political reasons are quiet about it. How does Russia know that Germany isn't one of them. They have the technology. They also already have a nuclear industry that is very capable of supplying the enriched uranium. Germany may not have nukes, but how does Russia know it doesn't? Do you believe that NATO countries will let Russia fire nukes and not respond. The Soviet Union merely put nukes in Cuba, they did not fire them. The United States was willing to go to nuclear war over those missiles. Are the guys that have to fire those nuclear missiles willing to have their families killed in a nuclear war over Ukraine? They are in bunkers 100 feet under ground but their families aren't. Are you willing to have your family killed over the invasion of another country? The leader of a country gives the orders to end humanity on this world, but somebody has to carry out those orders. If somebody nuked Moscow I would expect these guys to carry out the orders to launch, but would they over Ukraine? My personal view is that Russia either will or it won't. You can't live your life being afraid of dying. Threats are easy to make, but carrying them out is a little different. You have to be willing to pay the price to carry out those threats. Is Russia willing to pay the price for carrying out Putin's threats?@@_blank-_
Argentina here i come
Are you German?
The Milei s*hole?
@@user-yh1nm1vy3ino dutch, why can only Germans flee to Argentina?
@@xmaniac99 😏
@xmaniac99 argentina is dog from IMF now.
If NATO sends troops to Ukraine I am giving up on life, is that not a straight up declaration of war?
Coward
NATO already has soldiers in Ukraine, especially Poland. They just officially first leave their own army and go to Ukraine, but unofficially they are still connected with their army that supplies their units directly.
NATO does not supply these forces directly. NATO does not send these men over to fight. You’re just falling for the propaganda lmao
@@dankengine5304 Are there not soldiers in Ukraine from NATO countries, fighting with weapons supplied by NATO?
@@1nhof - That is absolutely not the same thing. They aren’t soldiers from NATO countries. They’re civilians from NATO countries. Civilians who chose to fight under the Ukrainian flag.
@@dankengine5304 I deliberately used the word "soldier".
@@1nhof - Then no. There are no soldiers from NATO countries in Ukraine.
NATO had already troops in Ukraine. They don’t want to admit their failure to Russia.
He was taking about individual countries sending troops not NATO troops.
Exactly, NATO is a mutual defence organisation, no one can order NATO troops to war, each country can do what they like with their own forces. The video title is nonsensical.
The problem: what happens is Russia strikes back at them? Does that trigger Art. 5? There are no provisions for when a NATO member attacks first. Even when a member is attacked without provocation the process is comolicated and slow.
Then if those troops get attacked they shouldn't have the right to invoke Article 5 or 4.
There are no rules.
Invoking Article V requires a unanimous decision of all NATO Member States, so if one of them attacks another, it is pretty sure they will veto Article V.
But …
An unprovoked attack would be a violation of the UN Charter. Since the NATO Treaty specifically refers to the UN Charter, this would be ground to expel the aggressor from NATO after which Article could be invoked.
However …
The NATO Treaty states that an attack on one nation must be considered an attack on all of them, IT DOES NOT SPECIFY MILITARY ACTION.
So, in practice, most countries would file a diplomatic complaint and look the other way.
Turkey and Greece have had plenty of armed skirmishes and everyone looked the other way after filing a complaint.
@@jaypolas4136 how bout if russia strikes inside france? does france or any nato country risk that kind of escalation?
Thank you for explaining
Talking about sending troops to Ukraine when the equipament sent to Ukraine is minimal is stupid. Ukraine lacks everything from tanks to mortar shells.
it is naive to think we don't have at the very least Military Advisors already there and/or SF units such as Green Berets. Green Berets do exactly that roll and are meant for that roll "Forward deployed military advisor, trainer and specialist. I wouldn't be surprised if we had Green Berets imbedded with at the very least SF Ukrainian units already training, fighting and advisings.
I mean, there's already mercs there (something something hotel full of french Mercs bombed some months ago) so most definitely there will be some actual SF units.
Then there's also those theories of NATO advisors in azovstal, french troops manning the AA battery that shot down the plane with PoWs and so on.
There have been western Military Advisors in Ukraine since 2016. They are Canadian. PM Justin Trudeau sent them just after being elected as PM. There is a large Ukrainian ex-pat community in Canada, reducing the language barrier that would plague other nations.
@@user-rs5ui5lg5i I think we really need a good source for your claims
@@user-rs5ui5lg5i you realize that you are spewing nonsense? if they were "mercenaries" there, Russians would have put them front and center in their propaganda programs, with pictures and videos in which they "admit" that they are "bad boys" but the reality is that they only found only Ukrainians, advisors are definitely there, they are there to ensure that economic and military support is not "stolen" by corrupt russian supporters/oligarchs.
@@allanlankGreen Berets have similar thing. We have our GB learn foreign languages for the locations they are sent to. We did it in Afghanistan before the full force went in (Look up Sheriff of Baghdad he was GB in Afghanistan before Iraq). I wouldn't be surprised if we had Canadian and US Ukrainian language speakers fully imbedded. Especially the Canadians because like you stated a large number of ex-pats live there.
I know it isn't feasible but *if* NATO/EU troops were to enter the Ukraine to guard the border with supposedly neutral Belarus and Transnistria, then that would free up several Ukrainian Brigades, thousands of troops. If Moldova and Romania were to clear out Transnistria then added bonus.
Как вы надоели вечно сующие свой нос западные..... 🤦♂️
@@RussianUkraine24It should and will happen. It's inevitable, you know it, I know it.
@@blaaaaaaaaahifywhat happened?
I for one blame America. Specifically the 4 yearly flip flopping between total interventionism and isolationism. Ukraine is either the fight for the free world or just an internal USSR issue. Pick a lane.
You can blame the US all you want, ultimately this is a European issue, and we’ve already provided 70% of aid thus far, pull your own weight and stfu.
Don't blame America. Blame Biden and the Democrat party. He is not a legitimately elected leader.
It's the difference between today's Democrats and the Trumplicans.
Biden's Democrats love NATO and feel it's the best alliance ever.
Trumplicans and Donald Trump despise NATO a ton and want the US out of NATO.
You can't really, and especially with hot button issues during an election year. Biden is facing dismal poll numbers and his support for Ukraine is seen as a foreign, European issue that he's been sinking money into. Strategic ambiguity not only works on your opponents, but on your people too, and right now, the American public is pretty set on "Why die for Donbas?"
russia is not ussr anymore. wake up
they will fight with the Russian army, which has war experience, and the Russian government and society will undergo greater mobilization. And the result will be such that the troops of European countries will be able to hold Western Ukraine, but in essence there will still be no Ukraine itself..
Imagine if he said "France does not exclude using it's nuclear weapons"
That is totally reasonnable and people would still panic.
It's not reasonable AT ALL to normalize the idea that nuclear weapons could be used. Like WTF is going on?
@@_blank-_ It is totally reasonable because the whole point of strategic nuclear weapons is to deter people from messing with you. What kind of detterence would it be you openly claimed that under no circumstances would a nuclear bomb be used ?
It is totally reasonnable to not exclude the use of a nuclear bomb.
This does not mean that we would want to use them of course, or that it is reasonnable to use a nuclear bomb.
France wants to set the record straight and show they've got ballz
I think the French dying from radiation sickness will not agree with you.
Balls would have been to tell Zelensky to fk off after he refused to implement Minsk 2, instead of bailing him out. Fk the war machine.
@@Pork__Lover well i can said the same about russian.
France wants to prove to the world that they’re not cowards in war
Duda - meaning "bagpipe" ( from German "Dudelsack") or "bad musician", the common Polish surname Duda is most likely an occupational name for someone who played the bagpipes or, possibly, someone who played them poorly. A dudy is a form of bagpipe with a single reed in the chanter, common in the southern and western areas of Bohemia in the Czech Republic, and in parts of Poland and Austria.
Another possible meaning, suggested by Polish name expert Prof. Kazimierz Rymut in his book "Nazwiska Polakow" (The Surnames of Poland), is "one who made a lot of unnecessary noise".
In my language it means tits
Ярсом по Эйфелевой башне легушатники захотели
да никого они вводить не будут, обосрётся вся их гламурная армия.
napoleon in heaven begging macron not to do it:
I don’t think he’s in heaven 😂
Limbo baby
Which Napoleon? The one who lost against Russia, or the one who won? 1812 or 1856?
Really liking this transition into Politics with Hilbert
As he clearly has delusions of being the New Napoleon, he certainly will.
I think one "advantage" France has here over other western countries is the French Foreign Legion.
All though they are "French" soldiers, they arent French. Historically they have always been the ones to go when you dont want to lose French lives.
Just to specify, there are 10% of French in the French Foreign Legion and it has always been this way. Moreover this legion is not used as mercenaries to "not lose French lives" but as an highly skilled special force that is completely included in the French army.
@@davidgarcia5593 Stop spreading bs dude and start studying instead.
Ik it’s internet and everybody feel free to write every dumb ideas and clichés on their minds but damn you look like one of a kind.
@@davidgarcia5593 10.3% is not half but ok
Seriously people, the FFL is all fine and dandy, but please stop seeing as some sort of trump card or ace...
No, it's officially a branch of the French army.
Hello Hilbert. You covered this from all angles, so instead I wondered if you saw the rumours of more Russian troops going to Moldova / Transnistria.
How exactly? Teleport? Transnistria is landlocked and none of the countries around are exactly friendly with russia. Also Ukraine promised the moldovans they'll murder the hell out of the flimsy 1500 troops the Russians have there as peacekeepers IF the moldovans want them to, OR if they try ANY shenanigans other than sitting on their arses and being VERY HAPPY they didn't have to die in Bakhmut.
Putin says "bring it on and dont forget those body bags as well"
yes his troops will need them
@@DavidNavaldreams idiots
We know special forces are operating there from multiple nations, so it's already been done. As to what role who knows, but I doubt it's to attend the crops.
It's to protect the embassies. There's only a handful of them. When Lord Miles was stuck in Afghanistan he met a SAS team that was sent to extract British nationals. So yeah, they're attending the lawn in front of the embassy.
So you know the US has Marines deployed in Moscow? They're the embassy security.
source?
Search "Up to 50 UK special forces present in Ukraine" and choose whatever western source you want. @@arneh.180
Domestically Micron is suffering and I believe this is a case of “ Look over there, not over here”.
Is Micron an intentional nickname his critics call him or was it just an incredible typo?
If Macron isn't careful, there may be nobody left alive in France to vote for or against him - and there may not be much life at all left in Europe.
Perhaps Macron has top secret intelligence information suggesting Russia isn't nearly as strong with the nukes as many think.
If he has such info and goes on the offensive against Russia in Ukraine, his intelligence info better be right.
Intentional nickname @@royxeph_arcanex
He could care less. He can’t be reelected.
Beauf.
Not a chance. The French people would give Macron the full Marie Antoinette treatment.
True. It's dangerous to annoy French people. They have sort of tradition how to deal with bloody tyrants.
Don’t speak for us.
Si, il peut car il a raison
@@pomperidus merde de poulet
@pomperidus I'd say he's speaking quite well for you. The alternative would be a cucked population, willing to die for literally nothing.
Guys, if in your country 80% of the population speaks Russian, 50% are ethnically Russian and have family ties in Russia, as was the case in Ukraine before the conflict, then tell me - why was it necessary to make “Anti-Russia” out of this country ?)
This is actually a civil war, when the father is for one side, and the son for the other, when the wife supports one side, and her husband supports the opposite side... Do you naively think that all Ukrainians need Western “values and freedom” ?) but it doesn’t occur to you, that other people have their own values, and they don’t need someone else’s ??) This war began when people from the Western part of Ukraine began to aggressively impose their language and culture on people in the East of Ukraine, the same citizens of this country. And today it has already reached the point where they come to church, beat the priest, drive out the believers, and either burn the building or take it away... and how do you like this kind of “democracy” in Ukraine ?))) Why do you consider Ukraine yours? half of Ukraine, if not more, are the former lands of the Russian Empire, where Russians have always lived. They know this in both Russia and Ukraine, and only you in the West do not understand this simple thing - Putin will not allow you to take Ukraine, because it is NOT YOURS!
OFCOURSE All countries should follow...Serious.
I think we should send unmarked soldiers into ukraine and then tell Russia that we had nothing to do with it. Worked for them in crimea.
But isn't Ukraine winning .....they only have 30k casualties..... suddenly there's a need to send nato troops.
🤣🤣🤣
He'll do nothing.
Because the last time France went to war against Russia turned out great...
Well Moscow have burnt, russian army get defeated but winter saved them and russia have lot of Land 🤣
@@florex5480 copium.
@@florex5480 Source: trust me bro
Ukraine is losing, no amount of cope will change that. You might as well get a new map of Ukraine, this one is severely outdated.
I dont think it would be really beneficial to have NATO nation troops in Ukraine. the French recently did have Mercenary forces in Ukraine and the Russians still bombed them. so having an expeditionary force inside Ukraine that is attached would that still trigger article 5? would France really want to engage Russia that far away without US Support? can it afford to lose French troops and not react? it doesnt seem like any real good options for France. the only country that really could make that work is the US and they have no Interest in doing that.
I think this is more of the French president trying to distract from some internal political issues more than it has to do with Ukraine
I’m French and I can tell you France will no send troops in Ukraine without UE acceptance. Macron is just a bad communicator who is very angry about us (French people) because he was humiliated at the farmers salon last week.
Пусть Франция идет воевать. Мы напомним им позор при Дьенбьенфу и многократно его приумножим.
What about ukranian foreign legion getting a budget buff to attract more legionairs
"Just the tip"
Macro was right. This is a way to finish this war very quickly, otherwise continu to take the war more millions and life's
Ukraine is winning, why they're talking about send extra troops there.
Dear God, stop the madness!
Just remember Napoleon
Little Napoleon want to try marching into Moscow
History has been against foreign countries invading Russia.
Couple hundreds french soldiers killed in ucraine in last 2 months
Sit down France
Всё это конечно отговорки, просто отправить некого у НАТО в армии одни геи, а ещё причина, что все они сыкливые и не готовы нести потери за Украину.
No.
Don’t worry Vlad, we’re not planning anything, we promise 😉
Plan whatever you want. The more involved you get, the faster you bankrupt yourself. Lol
The West had its time, and now it's over. The other 90% of humanity are ready for a change in management.
This isn't up to France, or Britain, or America. The rest of the world is heavier than NATO. Much heavier.
There are no rules.
Invoking Article V requires a unanimous decision of all NATO Member States, so if one of them attacks another, it is pretty sure they will veto Article V.
But …
An unprovoked attack would be a violation of the UN Charter. Since the NATO Treaty specifically refers to the UN Charter, this would be ground to expel the aggressor from NATO after which Article could be invoked.
However …
The NATO Treaty states that an attack on one nation must be considered an attack on all of them, IT DOES NOT SPECIFY MILITARY ACTION.
So, in practice, most countries would file a diplomatic complaint and look the other way.
Turkey and Greece have had plenty of armed skirmishes and everyone looked the other way after filing a complaint.
Guess who's gonna be in Paris if France attacks Russia
its all cutesy fun until you see war in first person. Stop being a fuскing mоrоn
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That’s a pretty long winded way to say “Fuck around and find out”. Once the nukes start flying I don’t think NATO countries are just going to sit back and take it up the ass. @@jaypolas4136
Mmm Macron can say what he want but eventually you need more than 1 people to decide to send nato troops to Ukraine.
Hello Hilbert. Transnistria just declared, again, it needs... Russian support. If something happens to Moldova... What do you think about Romania's possible future reaction?
Good, Transnistria then declared he wants the UFA to finally end their "occupation". They were warned, guess they don't understand ukrainian any more.
Man this war is so unnecessary
Agreed as a French American living in American poverty.
Tell Russia to pull out then
@gq8fo Russia is not going to abandon the Russia majority areas of modern Ukraine like Crimea.
@@Jason-gq8foIf you want to pursue maximalist position, be ready to fight to the maximum
@@thegael1996I heard Russia is going to invade Alaska because some Russian granny tripped over a rock
How about we stop worrying about what Russia - who at the moment has the sole power to escalate the conflict and uses it at their whim - considers to be escalation by Nato?
Что запад забыл на Украине? 😏 Живите там дальше в своём гейском болоте, и надо сувать нос в дела других государств😉
Call me old fashioned but,we should have never done away with national service!,,the kids(the vast majority) are all growing up and wanting the freedom to,be what they want,but never want to consider the bigger picture of reality that gave them that freedom in the first place,and have no respect for those that have and had something to do with that bigger picture,they are more concerned about people addressing them with the right pronouns,and all the other(useless in these circumstances) stuff that they use there freedom for!,,,,in other words,we're screwed!✌🇬🇧
I'm curious. What do you exactly mean by "National Service"? Do you mean like conscription/mandatory service?
I’m sure France wouldn’t want to start a MAD situation.
I'm sure Russia wouldn't want to start a MAD situation.
I interpreted it as that he meant AFTER THE WAR. Did I understand it wrong?
It sucks because the Germans would have lost quickly in ww2 IF we had all done our part and send troops from the beginning and not waiting around til it became our problem
I hope they send the Hilberts first
Answer is no they won’t. They wouldn’t dare unless the US empire okays it and other nato nations join in
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@@willsander6178 nope. Just facts. I’m sorry you don’t like it but the facts are facts
@@MR_Nosy_Otter1Facts? You're rambling about the "US empire" like a despotic simp. Facts and dictators do not go together, and neither do their delusional supporters.
@@ShadowPhoenixMaximus OMG! SO SILLY! SUCH A SILLY BILLY!
@@ShadowPhoenixMaximus do you actually doubt that we’re not an empire my guy?? I mean unless you’re that uneducated this was a pretty good troll response. As I said the facts are facts if you read and do the research and probably helps if you lay off the Fox News and CNN. Unless you can prove differently to both points
This does not seem like a good idea. Really playing a dangerous game with Article 5.
What about the use of " Technical assets " ¿
From the United States?
It is incredible unlikely unfortunately if Russia didn't have nuclear weapons I could see NATO helping Ukraine militarily but since Russia has nuclear weapons and considering the destroying and world ending nuclear weapons it's a bad idea
I don’t think Russia would commit suicide thats what nukes are but what will be will be human beings are a blight earth would thrive without us
But did they asked peoples' opinion? No, just like a "true western democracy"... ;)
Yeah it really sucks to be French guys, trust me. Macron is just a little clown trying to impress the world, but everytime he speaks, the world laughes or make him shut his mouth. France lost the diplomatic monopoly and credibility.
French troops aren't NATO troops. If France wants to go on an expedition like any other world power does than it's not necessarily NATO activity. It's French. The operations against the Houthi attacks in the Red Sea are also NOT NATO - they are a coalition of countries that happen to be in NATO. Just because a NATO member does something it does not construe NATO activity. If FRANCE wants to assist Ukraine that's up to them. It does not invoke Article 5 for the rest of the countries to join in.
France is in NATO... stop your propanda 😂
5:58 what US camo is that?
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They already are.
Nato should send troops with no insignia like Putler did in crimea
Why announce and lose the element of surprise
People don't realize how close we are to a global financial collapse.
They have been there from the beginning,it’s only since Ukraine started losing that they are afraid that they will get captured
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No, they won't. They can't if they wanted to.
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Ukrainian black soils have been sold to french business? Otherwise what France has to do in ukraine?
Could Nato troops enter Ukraine to station the Belarusian border under the pretext that it is ensuring Russia doesn’t attack Ukraine through a non combatant country in this case Belarus like they did at the start of the war. This would create a situation where Ukrainian troops on the Belarusian border can leave to bolster the eastern front and nato troops wouldn’t be in direct conflict with Russia unless Russia was to attack them through Belarus
But they sorta entered Ukraine when they’re on the border between Ukraine and Belarus. So that’s a no
Why cant they do that wih the approval of Ukraine? If Russia attacks them Russia is in effect escalating things not Nato@@Vsevolod2002
@@edthebumblingfool Because that escalates the situation, no matter who you think is wrong. Would you rather see thousands of lives gets evaporated by a nuclear disaster with human civilization gone from the world, or one you may not like, but humanity lives? Which one is more important? Humanity or some politician’s ego?
Also one thing: If you stand in front of a moving car to block the traffic like a climate activist, aren’t you asking to get hit? It’s a road and car drives on there, if you smash yourself into a car that’s driving 60mph at you, then all you asked for is a 90% mortality rate. Russia appears to be that car heading to deliver his package to the destination, and NATO now is that climate activist, she can either stay outta the way, or chooses to get rammed
@@Vsevolod2002 Because Russia clearly demonstrated he'll stop with the nuclear threats now that he sees how SCARED the west can be. How easy it is to get concessions that one would NEVER give to a country so weak and on the brink as Russia is now. And his threats are more than likely EMPTY. Russia is not the soviet union.
We can choose to face down Russia NOW and end the threat for good, or give them a chance to actually try and STRENGTHEN themselves, armed with the lessons learned in Ukraine, give them a chance to WIN.
Now for your example: Ukraine didn't dodge. And they "stopped the car". From hitting US. They will be completely justified to start murdering us if we abandon them to the russians in the end.
@@Vsevolod2002I agreed with you until that absolutely awful analogy. When will people understand that COUNTRIES are not PEOPLE and these harebrained analogies are meaningless
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France will never go alone. What Macron said is that if Ukraine is in great danger to lose to Russia, NATO sending troops could become an option.
That option of yours leads to WWIII. And NATO will be seen as aggressor.
Marcon is a showboating clown. France itself would not fight for Ukraine much less Italy, Spain or the UK.
They are already there
Poland: "Back off Mac, he's mine"
The situation is lost. Move on.
“Mahkwonnn”
I hope not because that would trigger the third world war
I wonder what country a soldier from will crap at the sight of a detachment of attack aircraft from the Wagner PMC? 😂😂 And which of them will survive the flight? 😂😂
One aspect that should not be overlooked is that Macron never really meant it (maybe). In France we've seen him operate for 7 years now, and the guy is quite good at political communication. In my opinion he knew exactly that to sent troops to Ukraine is a big no-no. The point is that he his highly contested at home (and the farmers are just the last of a long list), and that this declaration might just have been for internal use : a scarecrow, a bone for people and the media to chew on. And trust me it works: people took it very seriously (nobody wants to go there), and the media are only talking about that.
Yep yep that's way more plausible
A scarecrow that imperils broader western & global security. Classic French / all romance lang speakers tbh, fucking over society bc ur a drama queen
Macron can't get the King Louis treatment soon enough.
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Plutôt un non sujet. Il a lancé ça, histoire de tester un peu tout le monde et, comme cela, il peut s'en laver les mains si cela ne fonctionne pas. Si cela marche, banco. Mais cela reste un non-sujet...Genre cela a fait moins d'une minute de discussion à part avec les mecs qui, de toute façon, sont totalement contre tout et surtout Macron. (généralement des complotistes et des pro-russes, catégories qui vont de paire...Sans troller, en plus.)
Quant aux agriculteurs, c'est un sujet totalement hypocrite et surtout très complexe contrairement à ce que l'on nous fait croire (il y a des agriculteurs très riches, des riches, des normaux et des pauvres mais on nous a presque vendu la chose comme quoi ils étaient tous pauvres...et surtout les solutions proposées par les agriculteurs eux-même tueraient réellement les agriculteurs pour la simple raison qu'ils oublient que le gros profit du système qu'ils contestent)
@@CoolDay-kd6bgon est a 3 milliards 2 en 2023 et la chiffre est en hausse pour 2024. Sans compter les équipements (canons, casques, gilets, obus, etc..).
Tu as un problème de chiffre
It's just mine clearing with high ordinance, the fact some Vatniks were there is a coincidence
Vatnik your mum
The Foreign Legion maybe???
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Macron was something like " I'm just saying..."
"What if NATO sent ground troops to Ukraine... I'm just joking guys! Sort of." -president Macaroni
@@fartsfartington9019 lol, I like your name!
My ex-girlfriend is from Fartington. I broke up with her after she farted în the bed and it smelled horror
@@dastanjan320 My condolences.
@@dastanjan320 I'm truly sorry for your loss.
Lmao go make em f around and find out guys!! I would but I’m too busy working a dead end job and buying fast food.
I guess now that they're not bogged down in west africa it would be more logistically feasible, but I think it's a very unlikely prospect
Ofcourse no . That would be a stupid idea
What is the point of that unrealistic outdated map of Ukraine with Crimea? Ukraine and Russia had great relations until Victoria Nuland showed up at the anti-government protests (just like how Russian and Chinese officials do at antigovernment protests in Canada and Mexico...oh yeah, they don't), back at that time Crimea was a Russian majority autonomous republic with Russian military stationed there and everyone was fine with that, but since the west didn't like that, that outdated map can now only be a pipe dream.
People wish to maintain the illusion of what they wish was happening rather than accept the reality of how things actually stand. Hence why they call it "Russian occupied Crimea" despite it being a historical part of Russia and under complete control and governance if it.
We don't call Gibraltar "British occupied Gibraltar" lol
No, we didn’t have great relationships with russkies.
Not true. Ukraine had already protested against Russian puppets before, and the origin of the conflict was that Yanukovych was trying to join the EU but Putin placed sanctions on Ukraine to pressure him. There was no problem with Crimea until Putin decided to take it. He created the problem because he went too hard and threatened Ukraine's entire economy to yank his leash on Yanukovych.