Cizeta Moroder V16T: Resurrecting the Wolf Documentary
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- Restoration and first road test in over 30 years of legendary Cizeta Moroder V16T, the only badged Cizeta Moroder, and 1 of only 10 cars ever built.
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Claudio Zampolli passed away July 5, 2021.
no way!
may he rest in peace
Rest In Peace.
RIP o7
Yes, and the family has a huge workshop full of Cizeta parts, engines and part built cars ready for someone to make an offer!
I started at Canepa around the same time as Chris, but in the parts department. This was the first car they had me work on, what a project! Glad to be a part of its history, and thanks for making the video.
very cool glad you were a part of it
See this guy... The guy explaining about how he used a soldiering gun to trigger the magnetic pick up and ECU? THIS is what a TRUE mechanic looks and thinks like. He uses methods that only SOME mechanics know. Methods that he learned from being around a shop. There are SO many tips and tricks you could only learn from being around cars and garages for YEARS, before the internet came around. Excellent video!
Someone who can appreciate a mechanic that knows his shit. 👏👍 I was also impressed.
The reason the V16T looks so much like a slightly different Diablo is because it was actually Gandini's original intent for how the Diablo should look. When Chrysler bought Lamborghini, design was one of the departments that was affected, which lead to a dissatisfied Gandini going rogue and working on this project to see his design through.
I love both, but I think the Cizetta is slightly better looking. I do like the door cut lines on the Diablo more, but the V16T looks better otherwise imo.
The Diablo looks better, sleeker, prettier.
@@TheLuminousOne Just imagine the beauty that the world could have gotten if the Mopar boys could have reworked the Miura & Countach before release. (and that is is Internet sarcasm...clearly labeled)
I sat in this car at the geneva show 89, picture's still at my parent's house!
You are one lucky son of a gun
It snowed in Florida, USA. that Christmas snow 1989
lucky!!
Thanks for this video! It gives me a nice memory! At that time I was working at the Bugatti EB110 project, in Modena. And in Modena these cars were built. And we were looking at the Cizeta Moroder as a potential competitor. I remember mr.Claudio Zampolli the day he came at the Bugatti Company driving a red V16T to meet mr.Romano Artioli: great!
I think Stallone was interested in Investing at one stage of the game.
mamma che pezzi di storia!!
Comments:
At first, it was not my intention to make any comment on Canepa Cizeta video, but then my instinct push me to clarify some of what was being said in the relation to the “Cizeta prototype. As “the Cizeta reborn” and “ Re-engineered.”
The Cizeta never “kick the bucket” and I don’t believe that prototype was or needed to be re-engineered! I assume, the work that has been done it should be label as “COSMETICALLY REVIVED.” Considering, that after 30+ years seating in a storage facility is nothing unusual to have some paint and “COSMETIC” deteriorations. Also, don’t forget that I Drove-Tested for about 58,000 miles, and besides driving, the many, many hours on the Dynamiter as well…not Cruising, but instead harsh driving. This was for the purpose to test if the 16-cylinder block and gearing, among other devices with most positive results!
The 16 cylinder engine, Transaxle, Suspensions, Brakes, Exhaust system, Body style Gas tanks, Fuel pumps, wheel & tires, Interior & dashboard, and so on, all it seems to me that has not been RE-ENGINEERED!
The technician Chris, explanation on what he did to make the engine running on all 16 cylinders is a little bit dubious for a professional like him and here is why!
Cleaning the injector replacing all filters and spark plugs, oil service and general check it will be a regular maintains, but he also pointed out that he rebuild the distributors. That engine is equipped with electronic ECU and the distributor as nothing in there but a rotor and not moving parts!
The gas-tank insulation blanket is also part of being deteriorated after 30+ years, and severe test -driving. The water pump leakage was because of many years of not running, and they claim that it took two months to find the seal when I do have plenty in stock? Instead, they should have followed my advice…I still being “THE FATHER” after all! Of this piece of art!!!
Now, some illumination on our communications with Chris or Casper calls.
The first call they inform me that they have a problem matching the “pearl color” to paint the rear bumper and other touch-ups. So I replay that I would send them the formula, which I did without hesitations, and apparently, the painter did a great job, very well done! Then, in sequence, ask for the instrument gauges, and then the water seal, which I do have in stock, but I told them to put me in touch with Giorgio Moroder, which they never did. I was willing to help them with technical and parts assistance since this prototype is my first love! Joys and plenty of satisfaction…
Chris, also call attention to the engine backfire, but this again is caused by the length of time that the car is been sitting, and here is why. The BOSCH injection system needs to be pressurized in order to compose all cylinder firing, and in this case, the fuel loses pressure. To pressurize the system by doing a simple operation…turn the ignition key on & of for a few times until the pressure is build up. In addition to the backfire is that also the ignition spark system it calls “ lose-spark double system ” which indicates that in the same time generate twice the spark to feed two cylinders, but one of them is in a phase of an exhaust. So we call “ lost-spark “ and if some gasoline from the previous cylinder phase did not burn out completely may cause a premature fire in the exhaust.
I do contest the Ferrari instruments. What happens to the originals? If there were some malfunctions I do have parts for it or a complete unit for the prototype. The rear bonnet scripts are been done so cheap by a laser cutting on ¼” of aluminum and attached with double tape. They had a good opportunity to do it professionally fashion by making in black letters in plastic foil or similar compound, and spray clear on top of it.
The wheel caps are done without knowing the fact that these caps also have the functions to hold the wheel nut in case it comes loose. Also, it doesn’t match up to the great Cizeta styling.
Thanks to Bruce Meyer, to put me, along with the Italian Group VIA Modena luxury motoring events. to see the prototype that sits in Rodeo Drive storage right below his car collection. Bearing in mind that for 30 + years I never had the opportunity to see my first love, and it was an emotional encounter that thrilled me very much!
Casper emphasize that they spend 1000 hrs (one thousand) to do the “ COSMETIC IMPROVEMENTS “ this is the equal times that it take me to build two Cizeta cars from zero!
But I do very much appreciate that Bruce Canepa recognized the quality of the workmanship and weigh against the Diablo! Grazie Signor Canepa!
I love you I read it twice
The distributors may use electronic advance, but the base timing must still be set, and one can botch that up. Chris was explaining that he struggled the most with the ignition system more than likely because he did not have base numbers to work with, and the distributor on one bank had crossed wires, and was timed incorrectly.
He mentioned not having spark at two cylinders and he chased the pick-up coil. Not sure if he misspoke, or if it was lost in translation during editing. Not having spark on some cylinders is a fault on the secondary side of the system. I.E. spark plugs, wires, or the distributor cap itself. That was the only erroneous part of his diagnosis. Outside of that, appears they did a fine job.
Right on Claudio! This entire time I’m thinking “and why haven’t they just called Claudio?” Damn politics! But it was VERY nice to see the car showcased and documented. I think despite not mentioning you enough it was a complimentary documentary to the car and it’s quality engineering, build and drivability! Cheers to that, and cheers to you my good man! Hope your well my friend.
what an amazing reply, hopefully they contact you
My question is, why did you hold the parts hostage when they called you? If you loved the car so much and knew they were doing a restoration then why did you try to force their hand and make them get in touch with Giorio in order for them to get the parts? Even if it wasn't Giorgio needing the restoration its not right to withhold parts from someone trying to resurrect a legendary machine.
I love how they have a 959 nonchalantly in the background just chillin.
Canepa actually MODS 959's
I remember when I was a kid and this car was featured in Road & Track magazine! Thanks for the memories!
I bought that magazine because of the Cizeta!
So right! I remember reading about this car.
I think I have that magazine stashed away in my room. Haven't looked at it since around the time I bought it.
Ditto! I had it hanging on my wall in some random calendar that also contained a Vector W8 along with some other odd exotics... Also had Samantha Fox hanging next to it 🤤
Pop up headlights are the single most iconic innovation ever conceived.
Such a shame that they have been out-lawed.
I remember seeing one of these in a car book when I was in fourth grade. That was in 1989/1990. Most of the cars in the book were concepts that never saw the light of day. It's cool to see one of these running.
The Cizeta V16T is a real underrated gem; a diamond in the rough.
Also DeLorean..
Could have been here today along with Koeningsegg, Pagani, and McLaren..
That's life.
Some things start moving, some just don't wanna..
Saw this car in a magazine when I was 10 (30+ years ago) and went bonkers telling everyone about it, but no one knew WTF I was talking about. Nice to see it again.
I always loved this car but was never able to find any good videos about it. This is like a dream come true for me. Thank you!
i have italian magazines with this very car on the cover from when i was a kid. Separately I've been a Giorgio Moroder music fan for years. I went to see this car at Canepa when it still had the prototype dash, and had to sit down after seeing this car in the flesh after 30 years.. one of the moments you can't forget as a gearhead. i came back to Canepa a few times to check on the progress, and caught a Giorgio Moroder concert in San Francisco recently.. it all came full circle.
My favorite book as a kid was called something like Future Classics. I'll never forget it. It was probably published in something like 1995. This and the Porsche 959 stood out to me more than any other in the book. I've always wanted to see one run and drive. This is probably as close as I'll ever get. Thank you for the video. It's great to see the old 16 cylinder that I had so lusted after actually moving.
Wow, I never expected to see such an in-depth account of looking after this incredibly exotic car! Great to know it's been in such good hands.
That mechanic who's been there for a year only is a genuine car wizard... Really impressive.
Pretty sure he had tons of experience else before even being qualified to step into that place. Still....props to him.
Without a "go to" guy like him....the project likely would have never succeeded.
Thanks for sharing! The ultimate in Italian flare. I've owned a Fiat Dino and special memories like the smell of the Italian leather, the off-set pedals to the driving position and definitely not forgetting the suction of those Weber carbs at 9200 rpm.
The knowledge these guys have of cars is astounding.
the crooked passenger mirror was driving me bananas, that being said the car has it's own peculiar exhaust note , very awesome
The replacement mirror hadn't arrived before this was filmed
5:11 seeing the cizeta v16t in a cvs parking lot would make my head explode lmao
If only Doug Demuro could review this.
There's Jay Leno so it's pretty much the same thing😂
He'll just make fun of the horn.
@@Stormsearcher75 yea... he always does
@Thomas Truther Daaaaaaamn!🤔
just say quirky 100 times and that should cover it
Crazy sounding car and What an epic car . It’s a shame it didn’t get more mass produced. The story of the creator is pretty awesome.
A massive thank for uploading this most
interesting footage !
Love the storage system used at the shop. Looks like a Hotwheels car case upsized for adults.
Very nice encompasssing documentary. This is a very nice cinsight intothe car and how it was built.
what a beauty, brings back so many memories. Great job guys.
Thanks for reviving this Classic It certainly needed the expertise of your workshop to make it back to fully operational being prototype 1 you sure needed to sort out a few thing not quite finished .
Thank you so much for making and posting this!
Thank you so much for the movie about this great car, please upload more about Cizeta if possible.
Thank you. There may be another in the future. Stay tuned there is a VR360 video about this car too. Check VR Supercar on Facebook
rare beast, thanks for your efforts to ensure it will see another day, I do remember all the hype from my childhood on this car!
Respect for the people (not because rich or poor) But the love on revive a legendary cars !!!!
I mean its a countach with more cocaine.
its actually a diablo
@@trievoluzione8868 which is a countach that was re-skinned in and of itself
@@-CLASSIFIED- what? the diablo had almost everything different from the countach !
@@trievoluzione8868 No, the diablo was literally a countach with a different body style slapped on it.
scythelord And other guys who are claiming that Diablo was made out of Countach. Can you please provide us the evidence. I checked it out and there is no info regarding that. The only thing that may be close to what you are saying is that before Diablo came out there was a Lamborghini P132 prototype that looked a bit like Countach, but was later made into the Cizeta Moroder V16T.
That Porsche @17:08 saw the V16 and backed the hell off lol
@tim ovel Lol, quite the opposite. The Porsche didn't feel worthy of being photographed with a car worth many times what it is.
@tim ovel The Cizeta's price tag is not only about rarity. None of the mechanics mentioned sub par quality as far as the Cizeta is concerned. Please tell me how you arrive at the erroneous conclusion that Cizeta's are neither quality nor value. They are both. Porsche's are good quality - I've owned two high end models, so I'm very aware of that, yet the Cizeta's quality is good too. The only confusion is by yourself.
the speed of retreat makes the lulz
Back in 1983 to 1990 these Great Designs were off the Chart Exotic and complicated. Bruce was excellent in Porsche Racing as I recall. Whale Tail 935 Slantnose Henry Heywood and ALL that amazing history. Highly Intelligent people are always with Bruce.
A Big Success!
I got very excited seeing this car in car magazines when it was new. The Cizeta is what the Diablo should have looked like before Chrysler redesigned the car rounding the lines of the Diablo. I read in a magazine that the V16 engine is two Lamborghini Urraco engines mated together. This came out around the same time the MCA Centenaire came out. Thanks.
Loved this and made even better by a comment from Claudio Zampolli himself. I was always fascinated by these machines when I was young.
the craziest car ever built....
I simply love this car.....Claudio Zampolli and his team made a masterpiece...so proud to be Italian 🇮🇹
That's some great craftsmanship you put into that car. It came out incredible congratulations. I believe you accomplish what you are trying to do.
Thank you so much! It's one of my favorite cars ever! I love the Lamborghini Diablo but I adore the Cizeta since it got more edges and an untamed look!
You know it's a fancy garage for fancy cars when mechanics have clean hands and suits
Now this was a SUPER CAR back on it’s time, great find by the way. 👍
Genius level working on this, well done boys!
with 12 gallons of fuel in a v16 supercar... its not what state your going to, but what county.
Captain Coffee Cake I don’t think they make gallons in Italy
Shoorit they do in America ... where this mechanic kept saying “full tank of gas what state should we go to ?” .... ;-)
@@Shoorit no you can buy them by it by the potato sack full or by the laddle .
It's only a 6L engine, basically two 3L lambo V8's mated.
@@captaincoffeecake3595 There are 106 miles to Chicago, we have a full tank of gas, half a pack of cigarettes, it's dark and we're wearing sunglasses.
Very well made documentary with a nice retro feel to it.
'My name is Giovanni Giorgio, but everybody calls me Giorgio.
Once you free your mind about a concept of harmony and of music being correct, you can do whatever you want. So, nobody told me what to do and there was no preconception of what to do."
Holy shit, this was a very well put together film!
I definitely buzzed this car at least twice on Mt Hermon road after I got my Ducati, and chased it once on 17 between Pasatiempo and Granite Creek... it sounded amazing.
Looks like the best parts of the testarossa with the face of a lambo, love it
Aah, wonderful. That zoom-out shot on 9:30 is so funny and typical for the car:
Guy 1: okay, I'm standing here, talking to you.
Guy 2: oh hey, I'M STANDING ALL THE WAY OVER HERE AT THE OTHER END OF THE ENGINE BLOCK!
I remember having seen this car at the 1989 Geneva Motor Show; I was so impressed by the double Ferrari V8 motor. Seemed so crazy for me that I put my finger in the exhaust pipes to make sure that the beast could be alive ! My dirty finger made me serene and proud of such an engineering.
It is essentially 2 Lamborghini Urraco units. Not Ferrari.
Credit to those dedicated techs and mechanics who had to re-engineer this car to bring it back to life. Amazing job.
I was a big fan of this car when it was first announced back in the late 80s. I'm so glad they got it sorted out and back on the road.
Christofer Caram is a truly OldScool ENGINEER, a talented and humble gentleman
Wasn't sure what to think before finding out more about its development history. I prefer this Cizeta over the 'Diablo now; appearing slightly less rounded & with the doubled headlights- certain details in the design seem to suggest a special creation with possibly more than the expected 12 cylinders. Especially love the mechanic's description of its refined driving dynamics compared to similar supercars. It's a Sid Mead concept painting brought to life!
Ultra-rare cars forces mechanics to backtrack and engineer to solve problems...no Chilton's guide on this one.
Nice piece of history. Great video
Tsk, anyone who has played "Super Cars" by Magnetic Fields on the amiga knows that is a Retron Parsec Turbo.
Ha ha too true
Soooo many hours behind the wheel... eh joystick... in this car! (or rather, above this car :) )
Cizeta Moroder V16T is probably the most beautiful car design by Gandini. It looks much better than the Diablo. Lamborghini should have adopted Gandini's original design. It was way head of its time. We see some design cue appears on the new Aventador. The V16T is my all time favorite.
This it what I call specialists! Greetings from Zuffenhausen. :)
I’ve met Chris before, he bought a car from me. Real cool guy 😎 knows his shit !!! 🔥🔥🔥
The amount of talent that team has is unparalleled.
A one off v16 supercar with no common parts. I’d have more of a chance curing cancer than making that car run properly.
My best friend who is an absolute car nut had a poster of the Cizeta on his wall, just seeing the thumbnail of this video brought back memories, was interesting to learn what had happened with this super interesting car.
That sounds like an absolute monster!
I've heard one fired up at the Art Center Car Classic a few years ago. Sound is so detailed and complex.
Dear lord, the exhaust note is insane.
its interesting to see how they diagnosed and engineered solutions to the problems the car had :)
Great video thanks man!
"this is the last Cizeta Moroder V16T and today i'm gone review it"
I saw this car at the LA auto show, to see it in person it’s just fabulous.
The Zampoli family now has a huge workshop full of Cizeta parts, engines and part built cars ready for someone to make an offer!
Thanks for the great video subscribed
Idle sounds like a locomotive, wow!
I remember walking by that company. Few years ago I ran around in the woods working at 1400 multi right up the road. I came back 3,000 miles away. But I remember that company had a very very great reputation as to working on cars and show room. Never tried to go in. But I remember it.
The Diablo looks much better, the engine was still an experiment obviously. But I do love the initiative, Giorgio always took on superinteresting things.
Gandini designed the Countach, the Diablo and the Cizeta Moroder...
@blackrose917 I have a very old magazine I bought when I was on holiday in Spain as a child. It featured on the front "the new Lamborghini Diablo". It was all in Spanish but it was this original design that Gandini created (and very similar to the Cizeta). The car was being tested at NARDO and covered in black tape to hide the shape. Then if I remember the Chrysler buyout happened and the design was changed to be more conventional. If you can call it that! The original design was more extreme and actually in my view probably too much at the time. It originally had huge circular intakes at the rear, which of course were dropped to be more square and then Chrysler "smoothed" the overall design out. I think the final car looked better than the prototype. If you Google Diablo P132 Prototype you'll see it and the resemblance to the Cizeta is obvious.
Gandini designed the miura as well
I remember seeing it at the LA Automobile Show in the early 90s. It was an impressive car. The motor was absurdly long and it was mounted transversely, making for a really w i d e car. My initial impression was "why?" I was but a young lad at the time but I remember thinking "this will never see production. It is the answer to a question that no one has asked." I guess I was wrong; I think they made 16. But again, "WHY?"
Incredibly gorgeous!
I sort of remember this Lambo-looking car when I was studying in UK. It was definitely on a few car magazines. (Those were my 'textbooks'.)
Nicely Done Video!
Get the other non-roadworthy cars over to Canepa and let's get them all working again! Such an amazing machine to look at
it's not a coincidence, ''it was developed by a group of ex-Lamborghini employees and initially introduced in 1988.''
Saw this car at the Sunset GT in Hollywood back in November. Pretty insane to see it in person.
The man responsible for the design of this V16 engine was the famous ex-Lamborghini designer Oliviero Pedrazzi who also designed the amazing quad turbo V12 engine of the Bugatti EB110 with it's integrated gearbox /4WD system/limited slip center diff. That engine is redlined at 9700 RPM. At Lamborghini he designed the amazing conversion of the traditional front engine-rear drive V12 to the Miura transverse engine with integrated gearbox and differential in same engine block. They got the idea from the British Mini. You can see some of the the similarities of the Miura integrated powerplant in the EB110 engine package. Pedrazzi also designed the V8 for the Lamborghini Uracco. The V16 he designed for the Cizeta uses basically 2 Uracco V8 engines in one new block. The engine block has 2 modified Uracco crankshafts in tandem driving the output shaft in the center between them. This is the unique 'T' configuration and is referred to in the car badge ' V16T'. The engine used 4 modified Uracco V8 heads and therefore has 8 camshafts and 64 valves.
Also uses identical piston/conrod from the Uracco V8.
what a beauty and a beast of a car!
Love the cold start
After sorting it and making it run, this car deserves a bare shell, bare engine block rebuild/restoration.
It’s amazing what can be achieved, when you have the money to pay a bunch of people to do it for you.
I remember seeing by photos of this beast in the UK in auto car and motor. It was at a time when I was waiting for the replacement for the Lamborghini Countach. Not sure where it went in the end but the front end of it definitely influenced the shape of the diabolo when it arrived.
Gandini's 80's designs all look alike. His squared off rear wheel arches were de rigueur and look as incongruous now as they did then.
In 1988 the Lotus Esprit Turbo was Anniversary Edition. I owned one of 88 built.
IT was Pearl White and I always felt that it could compete with he the Cizeta. Both cars were Top Of The Automotive Industry Technogy. At that time.
Yeah, and was faster than any car you probably have ever owned. When I sold it, I got $70K and a 1974 V12 Jaguar E Roadster in Trade. I also own the 1979 Lotus Esprit JPS Edition that the Factory gave to Mario Andretti. It too had the pitiful standard transmission you mentioned. So disappointing, eh?
They make it seem so tough to fix, but there are 18 year old youtubers that are fixing everything under the sun in a few days to a week.
When this was filmed, the founder/engineer was still alive and well, still building them in Southern California. All they needed to was contact Claudio for help.
Giorgio did not want Claudio involved. and there hasnt been a new Cizeta built in 20 years
amazingly original
Great engine sound!
This is what the Devel 16 *WISHED IT WAS!!* 🤣 What a beauty! Form and function, and good catch by the master mechanics on that ignition trigger issue.😉 It would be interesting to see this with twin turbos, updated ignition and EFI. It would probably break the 1K horsepower barrier easily!😁👍
That hp number would very easily be obtained even with smaller, faster spooling sized turbos. I have a friend in Toronto with an Infiniti G35 (TH-cam = Nitish) that is making 1000hp on a built Nissan/Infiniti 3.5L v6.
I recommend calling Doug DeMuro and have him do a full review of the quirks and features of the vehicle, so more people will know and appreciate the vehicle. I love watching documentaries like this, giving new life to vehicles that were never given a fair chance. As a enthusiast I have heard of this car but never really seen one in this kind of light. Awesome documentary.
Doug DeMuro knows nothing but to state the price, make infantile remarks and spew out his own nonsense.
Wow. Some design choices that really weren't realistic being made to work through sheer graft. Impressive work.
Great exhaust tone
What a gorgeous Supercar 😍😍😍😍