Curly was oblivious to Jimmy the same way Hank took it so long to discover Walter is Heisenberg. The clues were always there, he just chose to fool himself.
@@nont18411or maybe it’s because unlike Hank. Curly was depressed and manipulated by a shit influence. Why do ppl ignore this about the hard tee just to demonise him more.
@@justjoshua5759I never see people bring up that curly might be depressed. That was my first impression of him when we were playing as him. He always seemed out of it and never seemed actually happy.
@@Kristina_K444 before sudden wave of hate quite many people saw it as well. Even more, some speculated (and I kinda see it too), that Curly was thinking about offing himself. But now almost nobody cares, they just hate him. It hurts...
god, the dead pixel always gets me. the way curly dismisses it so quickly and says that he usually looks at the bigger picture is so incredibly tragic. jimmy was the dead pixel, and curly was blind to it until it was too late. all of these characters are so tragic in different ways, and that’s what makes this game so damn good. great work on this!
The moral of this story is that some people don’t deserve a second chance. It’s not your responsibility to “fix” this person if said person takes no effort in fixing himself.
True... still based on the working conditions they are in, the consequences when the company knows will be catastrophic even anya would force to consider. In short, everyone is in a way a victim to the company's negligence.
He only found out about Jimmy SAing Anya AFTER that scene. He is clueless because, like the player at that moment, he doesn't know enough about what's actually going on to make any assumptions.
Not clueless but an enabler Anya's SA was the dead pixel but he likes to look at the bigger picture which is making sure the trip goes smoothly so as not to get fired Overlooking a crewmate heavily violated for the sake of his "friend" jimmy and overall peace. He is not the good person people paint him out to be
@@ristier31The game is about the whole culture of sexual abuse and how society ends up enabling many abusers, and Curly is in his role an enabler of said abuse. He may not be the worse person ever but people who keep saying “Oh he didn’t know so he’s innocent” are fundamentally misunderstanding his literary role.
0:27 i love the detail here that she starts to frown and sound upset- a complete 180° from her calm demeanour before- as if she isn't just talking about a dead pixel (the dead pixel is representative of Ji*my). Just goes to show how it'll always be in the back of her mind And Curly doesn't notice it.
Curly tried so hard to be a good captain by letting Jimmy slide to prevent conflict but by not doing anything, he let a monster run rampant within the ship and Curly himself ended up as a bad captain.
@@cserialenI mean I get that but covering up jimmys name and what he did kind of defeats the point in highlighting how horrifying his actions were to anya. Like isn’t the point that this shouldn’t have been hidden so I wonder why the fan base sometimes does this past the bit of Jimmy being too deplorable.
@@nont18411yep. He was likely clinically depressed aswell which made him numb to a lot of shit. Having a toxic manipulative excuse of a shitstain of humanity known as Jimmy drag that connection to life down probably made him more numb If you remember he briefly considers jimmys plan of ending it since he didn’t really see a point himself. But ultimately his inaction caused the hell after and ended up like you said causing his goals of being a good captain befall to a bad captain that unintentionally created this banality of evil
@@cserialenHIS name is just an insult for mouthwashing community at this point, like if you have an argument with a die hard mouthwashing fans, just insulting and comparing them to HIS name, you would instantly win an argument against them lmao
My heart… this scene just sucks the life out of me every time. It says so much with so little. I’m a survivor of SA. I’m not shy about it. Anya’s story hit me very hard, as you can imagine. Quills does an amazing job bringing this scene to life. Thank you.
As someone who was nearly SAed, I really relate to Anya’s story as well. The feeling of being taken advantage of by someone you trusted is just the worst feeling imaginable. So, stay strong. I hope you live a long and happy life.
@@mo0nflowersart Well, I hope that you can overcome any obstacle that comes your way. Remember that you’re loved and I hope you will have a wonderful life. 🫶
The "safety" bit always gets me. It shows just how flawed and even naive Curly's outlook on how people could possibly be. He doesn't just fail to see the evil that Jimmy is, he fails to see how humanity at all could be evil. We all know why Anya asks about the locks on the sleeping quarters. Curly looks at the question from an angle of general belief in human goodness. There's a lock on the medical room to keep people out from the medications - people can be tempted to imbibe in pain-killers or whatever else for reasons that aren't evil. There's a lock on the cockpit because, well - the same reason why there's a gun for the captain. If the greater collective decided that they weren't happy with the captain, it's imperative that there be a lock on the cockpit so the captain can - at worst - ensure they get to their destination. This could either be from a place of (unknowing) selfishness, he's concerned with his own safety or sees why there could be a reason to worry about it, or just knowing of past experiences where such a thing has happened. None of us need to question why the cockpit on planes lock, after all. But why no lock on the bedrooms? Well, what if someone locked themselves in their room and hurt themselves? What if someone went to bed, locked their door, and passed in their sleep? Or worse, needed help after an accident and couldn't get it because they locked the door? There's so many reasons why you might need to get into a locked persons bedroom. Curly doesn't think about the many reasons why someone might *want* to get into a locked persons bedroom with bad or evil intentions - because he doesn't believe it to be possible, in his mind. He is too naive for the good of his crew - to the chagrin of Anya.
@ASHU-Asher I agree that he’s no child, and he has to “TAKE RESPONSIBILITY” - but in no way are the events of the story Curly’s fault. I dislike the narrative that Curly is just as responsible as Jimmy because of his reaction to Anya’s confession of what happened. That’s not to say what he did was good or even fine, it was - as we can tell because of the events of the game - the wrong way to handle the situation… But he could not have known the effects of it.
@theunderboss2088 yeah it's Jimbozo who did the most but it's just that curly was so naive. I'm not hating on curly or anything just trying to decipher what actually happened :]
I feel bad for them both. Anya for obvious reasons, but Curly because the guy was genuinely well-meaning, just clueless as all Hell. He wanted to believe the best in people, but realized all too late that “the dead pixel trashed the entire screen.”
If we're going by the screen metaphor, I think swansea trashing the entire screen says something. By then, he knew of Anya and Jimmy. Swansea basically saw this "dead pixel" of a rapist and crashed the entire screen in response. Makes sense considering once Daisuke and Anya die he immediately goes after Jimmy out of rage.
Agreed. The worst part is that it's technically not Curly's fault. It's not his fault he can't sense emotions that are being deliberately concealed from him. It's not his fault he can't read between the lines and isn't as emotionally intelligent as other people. He couldn't help not being more observant, those flaws are human and some people just have them, wether they like it or not. But he was the captain. He was their friend, and it was his responsibility to notice that something was going on. And he was held accountable for not seeing it, by the story, by the characters and by himself. It was all his fault, but paradoxically he genuinely couldn't have prevented it with how everything has played out. A little scary how responsibility works.
@@faina_yevheniia It is a standard General American accent. There is probably a slight regional US influence but I can't hear anything specific. Maybe vaguely Northeastern US, but still overwhelmingly General/Standard.
THIS IS EXACTLY HOW I IMAGINED THIS SCENE !! you are carrying this fandom man, we love you , THANK YOU!! i love the small details in the expressions and movements, such as anya trying to hide her worry or sadness with a forced smile, and her holding her stomach. damn JUSTICE FOR ANYA.
Curly makes me so sad because he takes responsibility in the end in the most cosmic and uncontrollable way. He can't save anyone, and he can't do anything to help them. He just has to watch and know, which is what caused this to happen.
Great writing there's a black pixel, a fault, Curly cant see it and Anya cant unsee it. I wonder if the black pixel represents an ongoing issue on the ship
I love Curly. That poor, abused man. Too lost in the shit Jimmy gave him, yet still determined too see the best in everyone. Many people wish to place so much blame on Curly, but he is a victim of Jimmy like Anya. Oh captain, my captain... Everyone deserved so much more.
He was a good man who didnt realize you need to establish boundaries, that without them you can be terribly unkind to everyone else and himself by being kind to the sort of person who doesnt deserve it, who would manipulate and use that kindness against them. Especially when said person crosses a line.
@@DeathnoteBBWell i'm sorry to say, bro, none of that takes away from the fact Curly was manipulated and abused by Jimmy, both pre and post-crash. He recommended Jimmy the job because, as the commenter above you noted, is a kind man. Who gives kindness even to those who don't deserve it. He genuinely believed Jimmy just needed a lil help to get back on his feet and get better. And as for him ignoring the signs, well I personally think its fair and realistic to not automatically assume the worst about someone you've been friends with for a long time and thought you could trust. He fucked up, that's undeniable. But I stand by that he, like the rest of the crew, is also a victim of Jimmy.
Safety for their supplies and equipment, but not their crew members. Pony express can be considered the 2nd antagonist of this game with the sheer lack of concern they have for their employees
The way she cuts Curly off: “8 months”. She’s a nurse, she’s smart, she did the math, and the numbers crushed her soul. The voice acting is incredible.
There's such a genuine warmth when Anya says, "in the back of my mind, it's always there", and I just hngh- Like she really genuinely was only thinking of the dead pixel at that moment, and she's here with her friend Curly, talking about something inconsequential....until her tone changes, and she isn't.
The true impact of this scene did not hit me until much later in the game and replaying it made everything about 100000% more intense. This game was phenomenal
When she asked about the pixel Curly looks for a FEW SECONDS and finds no effort whatsoever to find it. This is an example of how he sees Jizzzapointment. “Maybe I’m just used to looking at the bigger picture” Curly's body was also an example on how Jimmy saw her and treated her mentally.
I know people sometimes point to this scene and say that Curly blew Anya off on purpose and pretended he noticed nothing. But I actually really like the delivery here. He's just genuinely being an oblivious dumbass, only for the reality to hit him later on after the worst has already happened. Also huge props to the VAs, they did a great job on this scene.
"the bigger picture" -just how he prioritezed the completion of the misson/survival of the crew over the dead pixel (the assault). COOKING with that line
I am going to throw my thoughts on Curly into the void since I see the debate over his ethics and actions in the game. Is he a bad person with the appearence of good, or a good person who did wrong when it mattered? Having just finished man I wrote too much on this, but I find this games moral questions absolutely fascinating. Personally, my feeling is that Curly is a good man, however he was emotionally compromised both professionally and personally, to such terrible consequence. As Captain, it is his duty to the crew as a body, not just the individuals within it, meaning that he essentially has to spin many plates at the same time with the knowledge that if even one falls it could cause a chain reaction amongst the others. This is the professional duty of a Captain - the welfare of the Crew. However, this role was compromised by the time of the game's events. The Company has a variety of cost-saving measures that actively inhibit the ability to do their jobs and are detrimental to the wellbeing of the crew. To use one of the most egrigious examples, the permitted sleep time that is so short it would likley actively harm the Crew's mental health. Failure to comply with such dangerous rules, despite the human cost, is met with harsh penalty. So, Curly already has to balance spinning the plates while company regulations actively harm his team and he has to comply with them. Further, with the notification that they have been fired, he has to take some measure of responsibility for their immediate future too - upon landing they will recieve their last guranteed paycheck for the forseeable future and any penalties the crew will endure could have terrible effects on them if they are unable to find a new job quickly. As Captain therefore, and one that cares for his team, that final check's contents is his responsibility. This is just a brief overview of his professional position, but I think it illustrates the difficult professional position that Curly was in. Now, what about the personal? Here Curly was compromised in the ways that, while not entirely to blame for the crash, did allow escalation. Firstly his relationship to Jimmy completely compromises his position as Captain because the line between friend and subordinante was blurred. Curly demonstrates he wants to be a good Captain, even a guide, for Jimmy but their history shapes the context of how he sees Jimmy. He sees Jimmy as good, if frustrated, because their long-term association outside a professional enviroment has created it. This would be bad for a ship's Captain even when times are good. Now, when this person to whom Curly has a friendly relationship with demonstrates red flags, what will he do? Nothing. Because he can't see them. That isn't evil on Curly's part, after all we get the sense Jimmy has always been brattish but we dont see any evidence that he's taken things this far before joining Curly's team. What to us are red flags in hindsight to Curly may have just been Jimmy acting out again. So, when Jimmy's worst actions occurred Curly was unable to see the hints or professionally detatch himself to see what was happening. Further, his care for the crew became a personal problem upon news of their firing. Yes, as Captain he has a responsibility to them for their final paycheck but its seems to me he hyperfixates on it. They have to reach port with as few issues as possible lest some of them risk destitution. He's thinking of the big picture - meaning he begins to miss the dead pixel. So, now to touch on the flashpoint itself; Jimmy's SA on Anya and his degrading mentality in light of his coming redundancy/likely prosecution. Lets review Curly's options in light of the mindset I've overviewed above. In the small team, his co-pilot has committed a crime upon another crew member. Both are not replacable. There is no detention facilities, the only possible one being one that runs serious risk of huge financial penalty for the Crew - the cryo-pods. Further, if Jimmy is placed into one there is noone to fulfil his role which will compromise Curly's position as Captain since he cannot possibly fly the ship and deal with all relevant crew matters 24/7. However what Jimmy has done is a crime of such detestability that the mental impact upon its victim cannot be understated - not to mention the physical effect of pregnancy - so Curly cannot ignore it. Should he give a gun to a woman who has just been attacked? What if she takes revenge and kills Jimmy, which may put the Crew at risk as well as doom her to murder charges. This would be a fair concern in this situation. Should he lock Jimmy in a pod? As said, thats a huge safety and financial risk. I can see Curly's logic. He is trying to keep the plates of his team spinning, he is trying to take responsibility for all of their wellbeings. I earnestly do believe he is a good man. However, the impossible situation they were put in by the company as well as his relationship with Jimmy prevented any objective judgements from forming. Instead of choosing a course, he tried to keep everyones plates spinning in the mindset that they were all positive people at their cores. He failed to recognise, to further the metaphor, that Jimmy had begun to spin the other way. The psych evaluations were useless and performed inadequatly meaning there was no hope of a last minute revelation, but how could they ever have been performed properly? Jimmy had attacked the only person with any kind of ability to actually perform them. Curly was trapped by his situation and his history. He couldnt see the signs, every strong action carried huge risks for his team so he tried to keep everyone happy. The path of least resistence to lead them, at least, to a place these issues could be dealt with; port. Instead, it lead them to their doom. Curly, by my reckoning, is a good man. Im not sure its fair to call him an enabler in the strictest sense because I think that does not account fully for the situation he is in. I dont think that Curly was seeking to hide Jimmy's actions so much as try to maintain a necessary status-quo despite the ethical wrongness of it. If we change the factors, would Curly have done differently? If it hadnt been Jimmy but anyone else on that ship would Curly have acted differently? If so, what COULD he realisticly do? Curly's failure, the one that cost him everything perhaps, was that he failed to recognise that in trying to care for everyone, you care for noone. He is the opposite of Jimmy. Jimmy was a man who could not take responsibility - Curly is a man who took too much. He failed and lost sight of what he cared about in that big picture of responsibilities when it mattered most.
It's amazing how people reduce Curly as "100% innocent" or "100% evil" when the truth is that the character is simply realistic and well written. His main problem is how his empathy is directed towards all the characters including his friend, Jimmy. He was the captain, he wanted everyone to be in a good mood and satisfy both parties, and in his mind the best way to do that was to ignore the bad and avoid confrontation at all costs. Yes, he was a bad captain for trying to give Jimmy a second chance (we all want to believe that horrible people, and especially those close to us, can change) and for not properly handling the Anya situation. But does that make him a bad person? Honestly, in my opinion, no. He's not good and he's not bad, but that doesn't mean he's responsible for Jimmy's actions, every decision he made was with a positive intention, and that's what led to his downfall.
he was so good he ended up being bad. so obsessively trying to keep everything together he was actively ignoring the problem, knowing that adressing it would cause further distress, especially with his friend Jimmy, who I think he was partially in denial about what he did.
He’s kind but he’s kind to a fault. An incredibly dangerous fault in the end. He’s that one teacher who won’t step in and do something about the kid who’s bullying another student, because he’s aware the bully had had it hard too. So he feels bad stepping in and having them removed from the classroom or having some sort of action in place because he doesn’t want everyone to be hurt. Does that make him cruel or make him deserve to have anything bad happen to them? Of course not. Deep down you might even like that teacher because they’ve always just been really nice to you. But as nice as they are, god damn are they so useless in situations like this. That’s the kind of person Curly is
@@BlueSpams In my country there are two sayings, "Sinning out of innocence" and "Hell is paved with good intentions", The first means committing a moral infraction, despite being an innocent person, while the second means that good intentions are useless if they are not accompanied by actions, When I hear these two sayings, Curly immediately comes to mind and how he sin being innocent without knowing that hell was paved with good intentions. That's why he's not bad, but he's not good either.
@KeyboardTarantula Who wouldn't be? Let's put aside Jimmy's actions and think about Curly's place, how would you react to knowing that your friend, whom you have known for a long time, is accused of such actions? Honestly, I would act like Curly, I would find it hard to believe that my best friend was capable of doing such a thing, and I would try to get an explanation from him, This is where Jimmy took advantage, since knowing that Jimmy is very noble, he played the victim with him and asked him to take his side, making Curly think about that, Although I think that after he saw that Jimmy was willing to kill everyone to avoid taking the consequences of his actions, he would completely regret what he did, unfortunately, it was very late
Curley doesn't deserve being called clueless, its tragic in hindsight but if you take the events as they are in order it doesn't seem like a huge indicator of anything. Well written tragedy though.
Oh my god, I was having literal goosebumps seeing this scene fully animated and voiced. Their movements, facial expressions, voices, all these little details really complete their personalities, almost as if I was watching not a game-inspired video, but an actual movie/tv show scene. This channel does the W on anything Mouthwashing, regardless if it's a meme or a canon-faithful content. ❤️
God, your animation is so good, and both Quills and Gianni fit the characters so well. This scene hurts to watch after understanding the subtext, but I really think you guys did it justice.
Amazing job realising this scene. You did such a great job capturing this tender moment, this glimpse into a tiny shred of normalcy and humanity the crew might have had, that’s over all too soon. The dialogue in-game isn’t voiced. It’s up to the player to imagine how those lines are delivered; and I really love your interpretation.
Curly is such a complex character, i want to blame him for not taking any action and be clueless but the way he ended up in the end makes me feel bad for him
Do you know who should play this game the most? The Batman. Considering how many times he let the Joker get away with his crimes because “boohoo killing is bad” and “everybody deserves a second chance” and the Joker ends up betraying him, then proceeds to kill more people EVERY SINGLE TIME. He is more mad at people who wanna hold Joker accountable (like Superman and Red Hood) than the Joker himself. He somehow unable to learn that some people are irredeemable. Nobody can redeem Jimmy. Nobody can redeem the Joker and Nobody can redeem Hitler.
@@faina_yevheniia I don’t know either. Maybe because Jimmy feels more personal and Anya is everyone’s favorite girl. And maybe people think that Joker didn’t rape people, unlike Jimmy, which isn’t true, by the way. Because he literally - Tortured and killed Jason Todd - Crippled and raped Barbara Gordon while showing the footage of the assault to her father - Abused Harley Quinn - Drugged Superman, causing Superman to accidentally killed Lois and their unborn child which end up nuking the whole Metropolis, killing millions of people And Batman somehow got mad at Jason for seeking his revenge and Superman for killing the Joker.
This comparison simply doesn't work. Curly was the ship captain, so all the responsibility was his by oath to take care of the crew and put a stop to these vile acts. He is the law aboard the ship, but he didn't take his job seriously and everyone paid the price. Batman, on the other hand, swore he wouldn't take anyone's lives, so he upholds that oath. You have no right to expect him to break that oath. Why is it Batman's responsibility to kill the Joker? What a ridiculous sentiment. That's like demanding a doctor to execute someone. Batman doesn't want to be that kind of person. And it's not his job to do these things, anyways. There's an entire justice system that exists to dole out punishments like this. Or any police officer could just shoot Joker while he's committing violent crimes. Or a victim could do it in self-defense! Really, you could not have picked a more inappropriate comparison if you tried. At this point all of Gotham has failed to deal with the Joker. Batman is the only one who manages to stop him, and everyone else fumbles the ball afterwards.
@@gobolgar But whenever someone tries to kill the Joker, Batman just can’t let it slide and always go against that person instead. He fought Jason Todd to prevent him from killing the Joker. He fought Superman for killing the Joker, despite Superman was justified as a grieving father and husband.
@@nont18411 Batman stops them because they would be committing murder, which obviously he doesn't like. Note the key differences here: Red Hood was going to execute Joker, not stop him in justifiable self-defense or protecting others. Injustice Superman executed Joker out of personal vengeance and hatred, not because he had to for the greater good. That is not justified, especially not by Superman's own moral code. This is what leads Superman to becoming a cruel dictator in that timeline.
HELLO AAH?? THIS IS EXACTLY HOW I IMAGINED THIS SCENE!! ALSO GIANNI JUMPSCARE THEY GOT SEBASTIAN SOLACE IN MOUTHWASHING (2 most massive hyperfixations rn omf)
0:10 my face is a magnet and his armpit is metal
why
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this comment is tooooooo real 🙁😔
LMAO
Same
I believe that when Curly laughed hysterically when Jimmy took the gun, he might be thinking about this scene a lot.
yep... I'm tearing up now
@@fabikachu4836 Anya: “They called me a mad woman, and what I predicted came to pass.”
He was probably thinking of when anya hid the gun. She was right the whole time, and hes kicking himself (pun not intended) for not seeing it sooner
It could be that, but I think it might be the irony of Anya hiding the gun specifically so Jimmy wouldn't get it.
@@TeethSkylarkI assumed it was because the gun was literally right under him the whole time
Heart-wrenching to see how Curly says "don't see it" so cheerfully. Man chuckled at his own doom and didn't even know it
Curly was oblivious to Jimmy the same way Hank took it so long to discover Walter is Heisenberg. The clues were always there, he just chose to fool himself.
@@nont18411or maybe it’s because unlike Hank. Curly was depressed and manipulated by a shit influence. Why do ppl ignore this about the hard tee just to demonise him more.
@@justjoshua5759I never see people bring up that curly might be depressed. That was my first impression of him when we were playing as him. He always seemed out of it and never seemed actually happy.
Yeah he laughed at red flags a lot. When Anya did his eval and was discussing Jimmy’s, Curly goes “Hah!”
@@Kristina_K444 before sudden wave of hate quite many people saw it as well. Even more, some speculated (and I kinda see it too), that Curly was thinking about offing himself. But now almost nobody cares, they just hate him. It hurts...
god, the dead pixel always gets me. the way curly dismisses it so quickly and says that he usually looks at the bigger picture is so incredibly tragic. jimmy was the dead pixel, and curly was blind to it until it was too late. all of these characters are so tragic in different ways, and that’s what makes this game so damn good. great work on this!
Curly is like a Matador bull. He always run towards the red flag.
Yeah. Until bigger picture got massive crack by the axe thrown in it.
@@nont18411 nah more like he was blinded. He was in denial yes but everything sinked in after his accident
I think it was right after this scene that Curly was told everything.
Just like the old saying: The Devil is in the details.
I'm actually gonna cry this is exactly how I imagined that scene
ANYA HELD HER STOMACH WHILE ASKONG ABOUT THE TIME LEFT IM DEFINITELY FOING TO CRY
QHERE
@@The_ONLY_Kiyukoat 0:56!
NOOOO
I NOTICED IT TOO AAAAAAAAAA I AM NOT OKAY
I NOTICED THAT TOO AAGHHHHHHHH
Curly is so clueless it can feel frustrating. It makes you feel even worse when he doesn't get the message Anya was hinting at.
The moral of this story is that some people don’t deserve a second chance. It’s not your responsibility to “fix” this person if said person takes no effort in fixing himself.
True... still based on the working conditions they are in, the consequences when the company knows will be catastrophic even anya would force to consider. In short, everyone is in a way a victim to the company's negligence.
What was she hinting at? I genuinely don't understand
@@kebab_boi7720play the game and you’ll figure it out
@@kebab_boi7720 she was pregnant, babies typically are ready to come out in 9 months
IS THAT GIANNI?! Honestly fits curly alot
Wait a minute... DEAR GOD YOUR RIGHT IT IS GIANNI!
GIANNI MENTION HOKY SHART WUJAWJAQ
"Jimmy come into our ship-"
Wait, wrong game.
Holy shit SEBASTIAN VOICES CURLY
I love my mans but he sounds like TF2 engineer here lmao
This scene literally changed the entire way I saw Curly like oh my god. This man is CLUELESS.
What did you think before? Genuinely, I am clueless as well
He only found out about Jimmy SAing Anya AFTER that scene. He is clueless because, like the player at that moment, he doesn't know enough about what's actually going on to make any assumptions.
Not clueless but an enabler
Anya's SA was the dead pixel but he likes to look at the bigger picture which is making sure the trip goes smoothly so as not to get fired
Overlooking a crewmate heavily violated for the sake of his "friend" jimmy and overall peace.
He is not the good person people paint him out to be
@@sleepynoodles6425 Here we go again, lets throw out all context and nuance and jump into the, one mistake = the worst person ever.
@@ristier31The game is about the whole culture of sexual abuse and how society ends up enabling many abusers, and Curly is in his role an enabler of said abuse. He may not be the worse person ever but people who keep saying “Oh he didn’t know so he’s innocent” are fundamentally misunderstanding his literary role.
0:27 i love the detail here that she starts to frown and sound upset- a complete 180° from her calm demeanour before- as if she isn't just talking about a dead pixel (the dead pixel is representative of Ji*my). Just goes to show how it'll always be in the back of her mind
And Curly doesn't notice it.
I love how people treat HIS name as a derogatory word that cannot be typed normally
Curly tried so hard to be a good captain by letting Jimmy slide to prevent conflict but by not doing anything, he let a monster run rampant within the ship and Curly himself ended up as a bad captain.
@@cserialenI mean I get that but covering up jimmys name and what he did kind of defeats the point in highlighting how horrifying his actions were to anya. Like isn’t the point that this shouldn’t have been hidden so I wonder why the fan base sometimes does this past the bit of Jimmy being too deplorable.
@@nont18411yep. He was likely clinically depressed aswell which made him numb to a lot of shit. Having a toxic manipulative excuse of a shitstain of humanity known as Jimmy drag that connection to life down probably made him more numb
If you remember he briefly considers jimmys plan of ending it since he didn’t really see a point himself.
But ultimately his inaction caused the hell after and ended up like you said causing his goals of being a good captain befall to a bad captain that unintentionally created this banality of evil
@@cserialenHIS name is just an insult for mouthwashing community at this point, like if you have an argument with a die hard mouthwashing fans, just insulting and comparing them to HIS name, you would instantly win an argument against them lmao
May I say I love how Gianni delivers the line "Safety"
Just meant to be calm, reassuring, etc. But missing the trees for the forest.
My heart… this scene just sucks the life out of me every time. It says so much with so little.
I’m a survivor of SA. I’m not shy about it. Anya’s story hit me very hard, as you can imagine.
Quills does an amazing job bringing this scene to life. Thank you.
You are very strong. I'm very happy for you :)
As someone who was nearly SAed, I really relate to Anya’s story as well. The feeling of being taken advantage of by someone you trusted is just the worst feeling imaginable. So, stay strong. I hope you live a long and happy life.
@@skiiesstarrii To you, too. You’re stronger than you know. You are loved.
Me too!!! I have PTSD from the matter and well this game, my girlfriend, fma, and undertale are all helping me through it.
@@mo0nflowersart Well, I hope that you can overcome any obstacle that comes your way. Remember that you’re loved and I hope you will have a wonderful life. 🫶
The "safety" bit always gets me. It shows just how flawed and even naive Curly's outlook on how people could possibly be. He doesn't just fail to see the evil that Jimmy is, he fails to see how humanity at all could be evil.
We all know why Anya asks about the locks on the sleeping quarters. Curly looks at the question from an angle of general belief in human goodness. There's a lock on the medical room to keep people out from the medications - people can be tempted to imbibe in pain-killers or whatever else for reasons that aren't evil. There's a lock on the cockpit because, well - the same reason why there's a gun for the captain. If the greater collective decided that they weren't happy with the captain, it's imperative that there be a lock on the cockpit so the captain can - at worst - ensure they get to their destination. This could either be from a place of (unknowing) selfishness, he's concerned with his own safety or sees why there could be a reason to worry about it, or just knowing of past experiences where such a thing has happened. None of us need to question why the cockpit on planes lock, after all.
But why no lock on the bedrooms? Well, what if someone locked themselves in their room and hurt themselves? What if someone went to bed, locked their door, and passed in their sleep? Or worse, needed help after an accident and couldn't get it because they locked the door? There's so many reasons why you might need to get into a locked persons bedroom.
Curly doesn't think about the many reasons why someone might *want* to get into a locked persons bedroom with bad or evil intentions - because he doesn't believe it to be possible, in his mind. He is too naive for the good of his crew - to the chagrin of Anya.
That's depressing
People should stop calling curly entirely innocent little child. He is a grown man with responsibilities
@ASHU-Asher I agree that he’s no child, and he has to “TAKE RESPONSIBILITY” - but in no way are the events of the story Curly’s fault. I dislike the narrative that Curly is just as responsible as Jimmy because of his reaction to Anya’s confession of what happened.
That’s not to say what he did was good or even fine, it was - as we can tell because of the events of the game - the wrong way to handle the situation… But he could not have known the effects of it.
@theunderboss2088 yeah it's Jimbozo who did the most but it's just that curly was so naive. I'm not hating on curly or anything just trying to decipher what actually happened :]
she was holding her stomach.. 0:55
no way really?
No shit
so like, is this a reminder she got r worded?
@@jawnsonbmostly that she is pregnant… meaning that at one point she would have gave birth in the Pony express..
@jawnsonb maybe
The zoom in on Anya hugging her belly as she asked how many days of transport they had left was FOUL
how dare TH-cam hide this from me for 1 second
I can't believe I had to refresh my homepage for this to be recommended.
I feel bad for them both. Anya for obvious reasons, but Curly because the guy was genuinely well-meaning, just clueless as all Hell. He wanted to believe the best in people, but realized all too late that “the dead pixel trashed the entire screen.”
If we're going by the screen metaphor, I think swansea trashing the entire screen says something. By then, he knew of Anya and Jimmy. Swansea basically saw this "dead pixel" of a rapist and crashed the entire screen in response. Makes sense considering once Daisuke and Anya die he immediately goes after Jimmy out of rage.
@@heyfella5217He ruined the illusion and now the entire screen is dead pixels. The "true" screen. The "real" Jimmy.
Agreed. The worst part is that it's technically not Curly's fault. It's not his fault he can't sense emotions that are being deliberately concealed from him. It's not his fault he can't read between the lines and isn't as emotionally intelligent as other people. He couldn't help not being more observant, those flaws are human and some people just have them, wether they like it or not. But he was the captain. He was their friend, and it was his responsibility to notice that something was going on. And he was held accountable for not seeing it, by the story, by the characters and by himself. It was all his fault, but paradoxically he genuinely couldn't have prevented it with how everything has played out. A little scary how responsibility works.
always pictured curly as british but gianni's voice fits him better than anything i had in mind tbh
I am not good knowing accents... Please, tell me, which one Gianni has?
@@faina_yevheniia It is a standard General American accent. There is probably a slight regional US influence but I can't hear anything specific. Maybe vaguely Northeastern US, but still overwhelmingly General/Standard.
@@vampyra1453 thanks!
aleks le also fits curly really well
THIS IS EXACTLY HOW I IMAGINED THIS SCENE !! you are carrying this fandom man, we love you , THANK YOU!! i love the small details in the expressions and movements, such as anya trying to hide her worry or sadness with a forced smile, and her holding her stomach. damn
JUSTICE FOR ANYA.
GIANNI AS CURLY?! 0_0 love it already lol
I would seriously love a "remaster" of this game with the cutscenes done like this. They're so good. I love to see it.
He ignored the dead pixel, until it covered the whole screen.
Curly makes me so sad because he takes responsibility in the end in the most cosmic and uncontrollable way. He can't save anyone, and he can't do anything to help them. He just has to watch and know, which is what caused this to happen.
Great writing there's a black pixel, a fault, Curly cant see it and Anya cant unsee it. I wonder if the black pixel represents an ongoing issue on the ship
A certain Scheiße...
The dead pixel is meant to represent Jingleballs and the danger he poses
I love Curly. That poor, abused man. Too lost in the shit Jimmy gave him, yet still determined too see the best in everyone. Many people wish to place so much blame on Curly, but he is a victim of Jimmy like Anya. Oh captain, my captain... Everyone deserved so much more.
He was a good man who didnt realize you need to establish boundaries, that without them you can be terribly unkind to everyone else and himself by being kind to the sort of person who doesnt deserve it, who would manipulate and use that kindness against them. Especially when said person crosses a line.
“Poor, abuser man”? Bro he chose to bring Jimmy on the ship and chose to ignore every red flag
@@DeathnoteBBWell i'm sorry to say, bro, none of that takes away from the fact Curly was manipulated and abused by Jimmy, both pre and post-crash. He recommended Jimmy the job because, as the commenter above you noted, is a kind man. Who gives kindness even to those who don't deserve it. He genuinely believed Jimmy just needed a lil help to get back on his feet and get better. And as for him ignoring the signs, well I personally think its fair and realistic to not automatically assume the worst about someone you've been friends with for a long time and thought you could trust.
He fucked up, that's undeniable. But I stand by that he, like the rest of the crew, is also a victim of Jimmy.
Safety for their supplies and equipment, but not their crew members. Pony express can be considered the 2nd antagonist of this game with the sheer lack of concern they have for their employees
I hope these voice actors performance becomes part of a DLC/Voice patch in the near future!
The body language is so good here. The way Anya catches her stomach and how Curly just stretch his hair. This is so good oh my goosh
Nice to see you here
HOLY SHIT GIANNI?? His voice suits Curly perfectly.
Thank you for feeding the Mouthwashing fandom with these fantastic animations, Joe.
I recognized Gianni immediately
Can I just say Anyas voice is so fitting and perfect
The way she cuts Curly off: “8 months”. She’s a nurse, she’s smart, she did the math, and the numbers crushed her soul. The voice acting is incredible.
The voice actors are fantastic as always. So is the animation! Looks a lot like how I imagine this scene in my mind
Anya's voice is so pretty im sobbing
There's such a genuine warmth when Anya says, "in the back of my mind, it's always there", and I just hngh-
Like she really genuinely was only thinking of the dead pixel at that moment, and she's here with her friend Curly, talking about something inconsequential....until her tone changes, and she isn't.
When Curly said about cockpit and safety - the first scene of the game comes back to mind, and it hits REALLY hard
can’t even imagine all the thoughts he was having while helplessly watching Anya taking the pills and Jimmy taking the gun right in front of him.
This is my fav voice for anya. The actress gives her so much personality
RARE WHOLESOME CURLY FRY ANIMATION😦
"wholesome"
@@Wounded_Asclepiusit’s as wholesome as this game can get, I escaped to the fandom because the game was too dark😔
Well it's not really wholesome... Unless you're looking at the bigger picture lol
yeah it's wholesome... but there's a dead pixel in the corner.
@@teri97997 _ahhh,_ i don't see it
THE VOICE ACTORS BEING VOICEQUILLS AND GIANNI?? HELL YEAH
The true impact of this scene did not hit me until much later in the game and replaying it made everything about 100000% more intense. This game was phenomenal
How can Gianni have such a distinct voice but also be this versatile of a voice actor?
No matter which fandom I migrate to... Gianni is always voicing someone there...
GOD THIS IS MY FAVORITE SCENE IN THE ENTIRE GAME THIS IS BEAUTIFULLY ANIMATED AND VOICED AAAA GOD THE FACT SHE HOLDS HER STOMACH IS KILLING ME
they would've been really good friends if curly could be RESPONSIBLE ABOUT JEEZNUTS
NEVER HEARD THAT ONE BEFORE
@raccoons_and_chaos I made it up myself recently [proud] and your user is so real
Fr, he chose a wrong friend.
JEEZNUTS 😭
@raccoons_and_chaos came up w it myself recently heh, ladies ladies one at a time!
When she asked about the pixel Curly looks for a FEW SECONDS and finds no effort whatsoever to find it. This is an example of how he sees Jizzzapointment. “Maybe I’m just used to looking at the bigger picture” Curly's body was also an example on how Jimmy saw her and treated her mentally.
"Why don't they put a lock on the sleeping quarters?"
"What a weird, random...wait. Wait wait wait. SWANSEA GET THE AXE."
I know people sometimes point to this scene and say that Curly blew Anya off on purpose and pretended he noticed nothing. But I actually really like the delivery here. He's just genuinely being an oblivious dumbass, only for the reality to hit him later on after the worst has already happened.
Also huge props to the VAs, they did a great job on this scene.
youre killing me bro this is heartbreaking
Doubled over crying screaming sobbing 💛 thanks for making this
This just shows how realistic the dialogue is in this game it's so good
The instant note of “8 months.” after she held her stomach.😕
GIANNI MAKES SUCH A GOOD VOICE FOR CURLY AUGHHTG
VOICEQUILLS AND GIANNI!!!!!!!!!! THIS IS SO GOOD JOETASTIC!!!!!!!
Thank you, Gianni. Now i'm simping for Curly.
"the bigger picture" -just how he prioritezed the completion of the misson/survival of the crew over the dead pixel (the assault). COOKING with that line
THE WAY I STARTED TWEAKING WHEN I REALISED IT WAS GIANNI DHSJDHQJSDJSSJ
I love how Joetastic is carrying the fandom🙏
I ABSOLUTELY LOVE THIS SCENE SM
this voice acting and animation is soooo good!!!
I am going to throw my thoughts on Curly into the void since I see the debate over his ethics and actions in the game. Is he a bad person with the appearence of good, or a good person who did wrong when it mattered? Having just finished man I wrote too much on this, but I find this games moral questions absolutely fascinating.
Personally, my feeling is that Curly is a good man, however he was emotionally compromised both professionally and personally, to such terrible consequence. As Captain, it is his duty to the crew as a body, not just the individuals within it, meaning that he essentially has to spin many plates at the same time with the knowledge that if even one falls it could cause a chain reaction amongst the others. This is the professional duty of a Captain - the welfare of the Crew. However, this role was compromised by the time of the game's events. The Company has a variety of cost-saving measures that actively inhibit the ability to do their jobs and are detrimental to the wellbeing of the crew. To use one of the most egrigious examples, the permitted sleep time that is so short it would likley actively harm the Crew's mental health. Failure to comply with such dangerous rules, despite the human cost, is met with harsh penalty. So, Curly already has to balance spinning the plates while company regulations actively harm his team and he has to comply with them. Further, with the notification that they have been fired, he has to take some measure of responsibility for their immediate future too - upon landing they will recieve their last guranteed paycheck for the forseeable future and any penalties the crew will endure could have terrible effects on them if they are unable to find a new job quickly. As Captain therefore, and one that cares for his team, that final check's contents is his responsibility. This is just a brief overview of his professional position, but I think it illustrates the difficult professional position that Curly was in.
Now, what about the personal? Here Curly was compromised in the ways that, while not entirely to blame for the crash, did allow escalation. Firstly his relationship to Jimmy completely compromises his position as Captain because the line between friend and subordinante was blurred. Curly demonstrates he wants to be a good Captain, even a guide, for Jimmy but their history shapes the context of how he sees Jimmy. He sees Jimmy as good, if frustrated, because their long-term association outside a professional enviroment has created it. This would be bad for a ship's Captain even when times are good. Now, when this person to whom Curly has a friendly relationship with demonstrates red flags, what will he do? Nothing. Because he can't see them. That isn't evil on Curly's part, after all we get the sense Jimmy has always been brattish but we dont see any evidence that he's taken things this far before joining Curly's team. What to us are red flags in hindsight to Curly may have just been Jimmy acting out again. So, when Jimmy's worst actions occurred Curly was unable to see the hints or professionally detatch himself to see what was happening. Further, his care for the crew became a personal problem upon news of their firing. Yes, as Captain he has a responsibility to them for their final paycheck but its seems to me he hyperfixates on it. They have to reach port with as few issues as possible lest some of them risk destitution. He's thinking of the big picture - meaning he begins to miss the dead pixel.
So, now to touch on the flashpoint itself; Jimmy's SA on Anya and his degrading mentality in light of his coming redundancy/likely prosecution. Lets review Curly's options in light of the mindset I've overviewed above. In the small team, his co-pilot has committed a crime upon another crew member. Both are not replacable. There is no detention facilities, the only possible one being one that runs serious risk of huge financial penalty for the Crew - the cryo-pods. Further, if Jimmy is placed into one there is noone to fulfil his role which will compromise Curly's position as Captain since he cannot possibly fly the ship and deal with all relevant crew matters 24/7. However what Jimmy has done is a crime of such detestability that the mental impact upon its victim cannot be understated - not to mention the physical effect of pregnancy - so Curly cannot ignore it. Should he give a gun to a woman who has just been attacked? What if she takes revenge and kills Jimmy, which may put the Crew at risk as well as doom her to murder charges. This would be a fair concern in this situation. Should he lock Jimmy in a pod? As said, thats a huge safety and financial risk.
I can see Curly's logic. He is trying to keep the plates of his team spinning, he is trying to take responsibility for all of their wellbeings. I earnestly do believe he is a good man. However, the impossible situation they were put in by the company as well as his relationship with Jimmy prevented any objective judgements from forming. Instead of choosing a course, he tried to keep everyones plates spinning in the mindset that they were all positive people at their cores. He failed to recognise, to further the metaphor, that Jimmy had begun to spin the other way. The psych evaluations were useless and performed inadequatly meaning there was no hope of a last minute revelation, but how could they ever have been performed properly? Jimmy had attacked the only person with any kind of ability to actually perform them. Curly was trapped by his situation and his history. He couldnt see the signs, every strong action carried huge risks for his team so he tried to keep everyone happy. The path of least resistence to lead them, at least, to a place these issues could be dealt with; port.
Instead, it lead them to their doom.
Curly, by my reckoning, is a good man. Im not sure its fair to call him an enabler in the strictest sense because I think that does not account fully for the situation he is in. I dont think that Curly was seeking to hide Jimmy's actions so much as try to maintain a necessary status-quo despite the ethical wrongness of it. If we change the factors, would Curly have done differently? If it hadnt been Jimmy but anyone else on that ship would Curly have acted differently? If so, what COULD he realisticly do? Curly's failure, the one that cost him everything perhaps, was that he failed to recognise that in trying to care for everyone, you care for noone. He is the opposite of Jimmy. Jimmy was a man who could not take responsibility - Curly is a man who took too much. He failed and lost sight of what he cared about in that big picture of responsibilities when it mattered most.
Curly is Gabriel Ultrakill canon
THIS IS SO SAD NOOO, MY POOR BABY 💔💔💔💔
Gianni proceeds to voice another sexy man: (It's his daily routine)
NOBODY PANIC WE GOT GIANNI CURLY LET’S GOOOOOOOOOO
The body language is everything, another amazing animation! Cheers to the voice actors! Ｏ(≧▽≦)Ｏ
It's amazing how people reduce Curly as "100% innocent" or "100% evil" when the truth is that the character is simply realistic and well written. His main problem is how his empathy is directed towards all the characters including his friend, Jimmy. He was the captain, he wanted everyone to be in a good mood and satisfy both parties, and in his mind the best way to do that was to ignore the bad and avoid confrontation at all costs.
Yes, he was a bad captain for trying to give Jimmy a second chance (we all want to believe that horrible people, and especially those close to us, can change) and for not properly handling the Anya situation.
But does that make him a bad person?
Honestly, in my opinion, no. He's not good and he's not bad, but that doesn't mean he's responsible for Jimmy's actions, every decision he made was with a positive intention, and that's what led to his downfall.
he was so good he ended up being bad. so obsessively trying to keep everything together he was actively ignoring the problem, knowing that adressing it would cause further distress, especially with his friend Jimmy, who I think he was partially in denial about what he did.
He’s kind but he’s kind to a fault. An incredibly dangerous fault in the end.
He’s that one teacher who won’t step in and do something about the kid who’s bullying another student, because he’s aware the bully had had it hard too. So he feels bad stepping in and having them removed from the classroom or having some sort of action in place because he doesn’t want everyone to be hurt. Does that make him cruel or make him deserve to have anything bad happen to them? Of course not. Deep down you might even like that teacher because they’ve always just been really nice to you. But as nice as they are, god damn are they so useless in situations like this.
That’s the kind of person Curly is
@@BlueSpams In my country there are two sayings, "Sinning out of innocence" and "Hell is paved with good intentions", The first means committing a moral infraction, despite being an innocent person, while the second means that good intentions are useless if they are not accompanied by actions, When I hear these two sayings, Curly immediately comes to mind and how he sin being innocent without knowing that hell was paved with good intentions. That's why he's not bad, but he's not good either.
@KeyboardTarantula Who wouldn't be? Let's put aside Jimmy's actions and think about Curly's place, how would you react to knowing that your friend, whom you have known for a long time, is accused of such actions? Honestly, I would act like Curly, I would find it hard to believe that my best friend was capable of doing such a thing, and I would try to get an explanation from him, This is where Jimmy took advantage, since knowing that Jimmy is very noble, he played the victim with him and asked him to take his side, making Curly think about that, Although I think that after he saw that Jimmy was willing to kill everyone to avoid taking the consequences of his actions, he would completely regret what he did, unfortunately, it was very late
Curley doesn't deserve being called clueless, its tragic in hindsight but if you take the events as they are in order it doesn't seem like a huge indicator of anything. Well written tragedy though.
I LOVE CURLYS DAISUKES AND ANGAS VOICES LOLL
Sorry for the misspell btw
Oh my god, I was having literal goosebumps seeing this scene fully animated and voiced. Their movements, facial expressions, voices, all these little details really complete their personalities, almost as if I was watching not a game-inspired video, but an actual movie/tv show scene. This channel does the W on anything Mouthwashing, regardless if it's a meme or a canon-faithful content. ❤️
God, your animation is so good, and both Quills and Gianni fit the characters so well. This scene hurts to watch after understanding the subtext, but I really think you guys did it justice.
This is incredible, good god
The way she cuts him off with "eight months", Jesus
I didn’t even recognize that Gianni was Curly, holy hell props to both voice actors, this is amazing
@VoiceQuills BACK AT IT AGAIN WITH MORE ANYA WOOOOOOOO
I LOVE THESE VOICE ACTORSSS I WATCH THEIR CHANNELS TOO. LOVE QUILLS ESP!!
no but gianni voicing curly is so perfect
This surely wont foreshadow a horrible event
Curly sounds a little like Optimus Prime lol
But man, I can't even look at Anya without feeling bad, she don't deserve this shii 😭😭😭
If this keeps going, we'll have the whole game voice acted and animated beautifully like this!
I just wanna say i love your animations so much, and love how expressive you made the characters as well ❤️
My man Curly sounds amazing
Gianni has become the Majima of indie games. He's everywhere I look and I cant escape lol.
Yeah I could hear Voice Quills right away. Very distinct voice
I LOVE HOW U ANIMATE MOUTHWASHING CHARACTERS, PLS DONT DIE JOETASTIC
Gianni and Quills fit these 2 kinda well ngl
Amazing job realising this scene. You did such a great job capturing this tender moment, this glimpse into a tiny shred of normalcy and humanity the crew might have had, that’s over all too soon. The dialogue in-game isn’t voiced. It’s up to the player to imagine how those lines are delivered; and I really love your interpretation.
They are so beautiful🥹 All of them. Jambalaya, you should have never been born
The fact that Gianni fit Curly so much makes you realize how well he is as a voice actor
When she held her stomach OH MY GOD. Im gonna actually bteak down sobbing. Jotastic, why would you do ts to me.
Oh god.. Anya hugging her stomach when she asked that... Oh god....
Curly didn't see the dead pixel. Anya saw it. Jimmy is the dead pixel.
This scene in the game shattered my heart into a million fucking pieces. God, Anya deserved so much better.
Curly is such a complex character, i want to blame him for not taking any action and be clueless but the way he ended up in the end makes me feel bad for him
WHO'S UP WASHING THEIR MOUTH ❓❓❓‼️‼️‼️
Oh Gosh, Curly has been always so clueless the whole time, and it only hurts even more when you take the hints at a second watch.
OH MY GOD ITS GIANNI AGAIN!? HES BACK!!! YIPPEE!!!!
HIS VOICE IS SOOO FINE
Please turn Mouthwashing into a full-fledged animated film I'm BEGGING YOU.
I would sob frfr
Gianni SOMEHOW fits Curly’s voice, that’s amazing
god,,,,the voices are so perfect, and the acting and the animation put together exactly what the convo was trying to portray
Do you know who should play this game the most? The Batman.
Considering how many times he let the Joker get away with his crimes because “boohoo killing is bad” and “everybody deserves a second chance” and the Joker ends up betraying him, then proceeds to kill more people EVERY SINGLE TIME.
He is more mad at people who wanna hold Joker accountable (like Superman and Red Hood) than the Joker himself. He somehow unable to learn that some people are irredeemable. Nobody can redeem Jimmy. Nobody can redeem the Joker and Nobody can redeem Hitler.
Now I wonder why people don't hate Batman the way the fandom suddenly started to hate Curly
@@faina_yevheniia I don’t know either. Maybe because Jimmy feels more personal and Anya is everyone’s favorite girl. And maybe people think that Joker didn’t rape people, unlike Jimmy, which isn’t true, by the way.
Because he literally
- Tortured and killed Jason Todd
- Crippled and raped Barbara Gordon while showing the footage of the assault to her father
- Abused Harley Quinn
- Drugged Superman, causing Superman to accidentally killed Lois and their unborn child which end up nuking the whole Metropolis, killing millions of people
And Batman somehow got mad at Jason for seeking his revenge and Superman for killing the Joker.
This comparison simply doesn't work. Curly was the ship captain, so all the responsibility was his by oath to take care of the crew and put a stop to these vile acts. He is the law aboard the ship, but he didn't take his job seriously and everyone paid the price.
Batman, on the other hand, swore he wouldn't take anyone's lives, so he upholds that oath. You have no right to expect him to break that oath. Why is it Batman's responsibility to kill the Joker? What a ridiculous sentiment. That's like demanding a doctor to execute someone. Batman doesn't want to be that kind of person. And it's not his job to do these things, anyways. There's an entire justice system that exists to dole out punishments like this. Or any police officer could just shoot Joker while he's committing violent crimes. Or a victim could do it in self-defense! Really, you could not have picked a more inappropriate comparison if you tried. At this point all of Gotham has failed to deal with the Joker. Batman is the only one who manages to stop him, and everyone else fumbles the ball afterwards.
@@gobolgar But whenever someone tries to kill the Joker, Batman just can’t let it slide and always go against that person instead.
He fought Jason Todd to prevent him from killing the Joker.
He fought Superman for killing the Joker, despite Superman was justified as a grieving father and husband.
@@nont18411 Batman stops them because they would be committing murder, which obviously he doesn't like. Note the key differences here: Red Hood was going to execute Joker, not stop him in justifiable self-defense or protecting others. Injustice Superman executed Joker out of personal vengeance and hatred, not because he had to for the greater good. That is not justified, especially not by Superman's own moral code. This is what leads Superman to becoming a cruel dictator in that timeline.
Gianni???? As THE Curly???? Yes please!
HELLO AAH?? THIS IS EXACTLY HOW I IMAGINED THIS SCENE!! ALSO GIANNI JUMPSCARE THEY GOT SEBASTIAN SOLACE IN MOUTHWASHING (2 most massive hyperfixations rn omf)