I sold my F900XR and finally moved to GX. Frankly, it's a totally different experience. I'm happy so far. S1000XR may be better but the price difference is huge. Thank you for the review.🍻🍻🍻
I like how you bring your human emotions and humor to your reviews. Very unique. Adventure style platforms are my favorite. I like to set up and see out a bit farther on that style platform.
I tried this bike at the dealership. Absolutely loved it. It was a hoot to drive and I would really like one. But I'm afraid my license would be revoked in a jiffy. Cuz it encourages hooligan riding and the regular speed limits feel like they should all be at least double of what they are. Need to move to Germany to have one. But I'm surprised not more people are talking about it and considering it when buying a new bike. So many go automatically towards BMW GS, but for many of those buyers, this would be a better bike for them.
I really appreciate all the additional info, that you supply with the subtitles, like: 04:30, 00:40 and others. They really help us understand better what's the point of the presenter. And it completely differentiate Your materials from the others. 👌
Exceptional editing, presentation of objective data and high quality opinions; transcript and access to “chapters” very useful. For me, the review makes a great case to buy something pre-owned that’s broken-in and fully farkled.
I bought a heavily discounted 23 Tiger 1200 GT Explorer back in March for just over 19k out the door & the list of standard features from Triumph is absolutely fantastic. I was eye’n these & the new Africa Twin adventure sports & it was just to hard to pass up the deal I got on my Tiger. First time owning a Triumph in 20+ yrs of riding & I must say it is a fantastic bike. With all that said…yes I agree with you that I’d wait on the price to drop some. No ctr stand & no heated grips as standard for a bike that’s 18+ is a miss I feel, as is the wind screen not being adjustable on the go
Great review Scott & excellent call! Suzuki should have added side cases, centre stand & heated grips for the same price as the Yammy T9GT+ to really make a statement. Well explained & presented! Cheers
It's the fit and finish. It's like people who buy luxury cars talk about "panel gaps" and how quiet it is when you close the doors. Personally, I love my kawasaki and don't care about a lacquered finish on the tops of the Allen key bolts or the flimsiness of the chain guard. I care about how it rides, not how it looks in an immaculate motor carriage parked next to a Bentley.
I worked at a Suzuki dealership about 15 years ago. New bikes would arrive with the mild steel downpipes and fasteners covered in corrosion. Engines and transmission were largely OK but bolted on bits had a habit of falling off and you could see corners cut everywhere. They were known for producing cheap, honest bikes. In fact that was our clientele - people who could not afford (or didn’t want to pay) the price for more “premium” brands. They’ve since upped their game (and their prices), mainly because there was no profit in heavily discounted (already) cheap bikes, but the stigma of being cheap bikes seems to follow them around. Like all manufacturers, they realised the gullible public will pay car money for “premium” features. At least the 800 series still represents good value for money AND good quality. This bike is a bit Frankenstein to me - either market the GT better or release a proper adv bike (IMHO the V Strom 1000 misses the mark by quite a margin).
That was because until relatively recently they were mechanically extremely simple. You’d be lucky to find ABS, let alone anything more fancy. And as I mentioned the engine and transmission were pretty bulletproof, as was the paint (oil based). Sadly the grade of metal and plastics, whilst not dangerous, was generally poorer than most other brands. I must have seen more than a thousand Suzukis in my time there and I saw some horror stories. Things got better with the revised V Strom 650 around 2012. That being said I always had a soft spot for them. My GSX1250 had monstrous torque and never had a false neutral. 3,700 mile service intervals and a no link chain (a new chain meant removing the swingarm) plus the slightly vague handling were not so good 😂
I'm not saying the price point is too high for a Suzuki objectively, but at that price point I am going for the S1000XR every time over the GSX-S1000GX. IMO, once you start peeling back the layers of the onion, the S1000XR is better from macro to micro. Great review, my guy!
Regarding pricing, in the Netherlands comparing base prices of the Suzuki to the BMW would see a massive 24,6% difference. And then the BMW has nothing on it, start adding the basics that the Suzuki has as stock and you would soon breach 30% difference in price. That's allot!
Dude, I ride Suzuki for many years but 2 months ago I bought myself an extra cfmoto 800mt explorer for touring. I’m sold.., it has just everything I need for standard. The CarPlay dash is amazing 😂
@@Thorsten_Kueppers indeed, I was just looking for a comfortable touring bike with some tech stuff on it and it does the job very well. Was not looking for a touring with a shitload off bhp’s. I also have a 22y old suzuki bandit 1200 for fun. On the other hand, if you revv the 800MT it wakes up around 4.5K and does the thing.
I purchased my bike in March, overall I am happy. I however had to upgrade the windscreen to the new Puig touring windscreen, it has made a world of difference! I also added a set of Michelin Road 6's (I don't think the tire change is mandatory in hindsight, unless your riding in all weather / touring allot)
Heard alot of vibration issues on the bike.. what puts me off from getting it is the infamous tensioner sound. Don't wanna be laughed at by my riding buddies when I turn the bike on 😢
@@danielblitz not sure which vibration issues you are referring to, the only vibration problem I have noticed would be that the mirrors at speed vibrate. Also no engine issues to report yet, but I have only ridden about 2500km's.
Cant understand the price difference in the different regions. The GX is available in the UK with panniers for £14500....even £13200 without luggage. It's brilliant, in particular the gearbox and quickshifter, but the lack of centre stand, heated grips and a screen that's the size of a postage stamp that is not adjustable on the move or without an appropriate allen key or similar is a little lacking for the price. If they include these things for the UK price then it's a good buy. I priced up a centre stand and it was £470. ( Crazy money).. Its a brilliant ride but the Tracer 9 Gt or GT+ is a much better proposition which includes all of these things and more for less money....😉👍
But doesn't have an IMU. So for that, I'd rather have it. Especially that it's pennies more than the GT on a pcp deal which most are bought on in the UK.
What is this madness? In Romania the GX is 15,500 euros while Tracer9 GT+ is 18,500 euros! I bought the GX and added heated grips, a medium size plastic top box and the original crash pads for an extra 1000 euros making a total of 16,500 euros spent on the GX ---> still 2000 euros cheaper then the Tracer9 GT+.
I have ridden both the Suzuki and Yamaha 9 GT+, and the Yamaha offers a superior package. It includes adaptive cruise control, brakes linked to the suspension in addition to being linked brakes, a third-generation quick shifter, and an engine with substantial mid-range torque. One downside of the Suzuki is its noticeable vibrations, wind noise, and the need for high revs to showcase its performance.
Personally the look of the Yamaha is so atrocious I could not hand over real money for it. Also since when did adaptive cruise control become a selling point on a sports touring bike? Maybe buy an armchair cruiser or a trike.
@@valebliz I tested the Suzuki after riding the Yamaha, and while I know the K5 has 15% more torque and 30 more HP, the Suzuki's additional 20 kg of weight was quite noticeable. By the way, I tested both bikes on roads at speeds up to 110 km/h, not on a track where the Suzuki would have excelled.
@@BernardVisagie Who needs cruise control when riding on winding roads 🙂. But once you use adaptive cruise control on a straight highway with heavy traffic, it becomes incredibly comfortable.
@@valebliz When I first tried the Tracer 9 GT, I experienced the same vague feeling from the front wheel. However, after riding 11,000 km on the OEM Battlax T32 tires, I've gotten used to them and no longer notice the issue. This weekend, I will switch to Road 6 tires and test them on very winding roads.
I have had the T32GT on the rear and T32 on the front of my R1250GS twice now. I absolutely love them. And I really push them on fast twisties etc etc. Killer grip.
17:17 - at $19k the XR doesn't have cruise. That requires a $2500 package. A touring bike without cruise as standard is weird. And really, it's essential, so base price of the XR is $23k.
Here it's just 360 to add making a total cost of 19,640. We can pick and choose what we want. You must be in the States, to have to get a package like that, I hated that when picking and choosing my Honda ST1100, Blackbird, VFR800 all had to have a "package" getting stuff I didn't want but if you want just one thing, you have to get all if it. Sucks. The vote for pres. is the same way but if I vote independent again then the libs will continue making a mess of things, so have to vote Rep...sigh.
Hi. I'm thinking of stepping up to GX from BMW F900XR. I know you have extensive knowledge of BMW F900XR and your opinion will be valuable. Note: I started to have neck and back pains and can't stand anymore with the riding dynamics of the F900 XR. It's too windy and the sitting position is no good anymore.
6:05 Wow, you used the original Latin plural of vortex (= vortices) instead of the more common vortexes. As a Latin teacher, I'm giving you two thumbs way way up for that (not to mention the bike review itself). 👍👍
The truth is that Suzuki is not less than Yamaha and Honda in anything. It is preferred in some countries like my country, and it is also the highest in reliability and endurance of other brands. It is similar to Toyota in Japan, where the equipment is lower, the price is lower, and the reliability is higher.
The bike is currently advertised on Suzuki's website at £15,899 on the road. That is the + model which has panniers. The Hayabusa is over £18000 I agree.
@@techguyMDI have 2022 Versys 1000 and would never trade it for this Suzuki. Too low gearing, worthless seat and design for 2-up riding, poorer wind protection, too sport oriented riding position, and less torque through lower portion of rev range. The Suzuki has better display, quick-shifter, more top end power, and more attractive design. If Kawasaki released new Versys 1000 with VVT to give best of both worlds I would upgrade tomorrow. Better yet also with self adjusting valves then they would steal huge market share from competitors.
@@valebliz Suzuki GX is more comparable to Ninja 1000SX. My brother has one and I have ridden it and would not trade for the Versys. He is slightly younger but I ride many more miles. To suggest this Suzuki GX has a pillion carrying capability is a gross exaggeration. Surely not for any distance more than 50 miles round trip. The irony is the individuals who have this kind of money to spend on a luxury good are not spring chickens. Why are manufacturers pandering to such a small sector of an aging out market? This is main reason adventure bikes capable of long distance touring with upright riding posture and wind protection are so popular. I prefer upright sport touring for long distance riding as opposed to adventure bike. Been there done that.
Great review as always. Love how the bike feels on the showroom floor - great ergos for me, great styling, great color - but I struggle with the value proposition as well. And why Suzuki doesn't bother even offering as optional a color matched top case blows my mind. In their reveal, they said the bke was only designed for soft luggage behind the passenger seat. So that likely means the sub-frame can't even handle an aftermarket solution. Do they even do customer research and actually talk to sport touring customers? For $18K and all the not-so-insignificant annoyances you mentioned this bike is and will not be in my consideration set.
Use yer blinker. What, exactly, devalues a bike that has the name "Suzuki" on it, parts and quality being the same? I'd like to see Suzuki make same gearing adjustments between the S1K variants and offer a custom version of Puig's multi-adjustavle deflector 2.0. But mostly I want to see a version of this in 749cc 4 or 776cc twin.
I had the GSXS1000F and loved it except for the absurd gearing. 1st gear was way too tall, and 6th was screaming at 5K at perfectly legal highway speeds.
@@rightwingsafetysquad9872 All the sportbikes have really tall first gearing, and it makes sense to if you're going to visit the racetrack once in a while. The first time I rode a sportbike on the track I found the gearing made sense...and did GP shifting when I was stuck in a left hand turn at redline (I had street shifting). I sold the GSXS1000 and soon afterwards bought a '22 XSR900. Cruise control, sensible gearing, smaller engine output, MUCH lighter, the XSR900 is a much better casual street bike and commuting bike.
@@anxiousappliance I've ridden 400cc inline fours with wider gearing than the GSXS1000. I think everyone ends up riding a GSXS1000 like a small bike...keep the revs up and use relatively large throttle openings...but I would like a bike that is more relaxed and street-oriented for the 90% of urban/commuting riding I actually do.
I am curious to know what your verdict is on the seat hight of the (stock) S1000GX compared to BMW's S1000XR. I have nearly the exact same body shape than your's and having tried a S1000XR the other week, I could not help but just tiptoeing around with it and no way I could pose both feet flat on the ground. I was shocked if I'm honest and I wonder who that bike is made for... 6"5 behemoth ? The dealer said that the Testbike had stock seat hight settings although I cannot really believe that....
Just get the low seat option on the 1000XR, then the seat height is 820mm off the ground. This, the GX is 845mm off the ground 😊👍 But yea, I can't really "flat-foot the normal XR either 😒
@@NothingToProve It depends on the width of the seat as well. In the end it's about how you wrap your legs around the bike, The smaller the seat the more seat height you can compensate. I felt that the seat of the XR is fairly broad which makes the 820mm quite awkward for me whereas on my 1250RS where seat height is the same 820mm I can flat-foot smoothly. I wonder what the Suzuki's like in comparison...
I have to agree with you about the price. I think the tracer has it all for under that price and that also includes a heated seat. Like you said maybe suzuki will reflect on the price and make some adjustments like throw in a center stand and the luggage at no extra charge.
Awesome video! Good points all, no doubt. Heated grips have to be the cheapest addition to a motorcycle . As well as windscreen. I don't see the logic in that. Great looking bike though. I did think the Suzuki brand comment was a little harsh. I do think it is priced too high based on competition. Best!
Looking at the table, Harley Low Rider ST getting 47 MPG is just incredible...(and it has 117 - which is about 1900cc V-Twin engine)... on average it runs 230~250 miles on its 5 gallon tank.
Would dropping down a tooth on the rear help? You mentioned it seems to like being in a taller gear and, it needs a 7th gear. Try dropping a tooth or two.
Yea, it would but that would mess up everything else, speedo, 6-axis IMU, all the electronics are set up for the diameter of the two sprockets, therefore changing the diameter of the sprocket changes the geometry of the suspension, further complicating things. Probably wouldn't notice it much at first but when pushed, then the problems would raise it's ugly head.
Great video!!!👍👍 I'd buy one and get a center-stand. No problem with the price when you love something. That Yamaha is a Triple. Horrible exhaust note! I'd NEVER buy a triple! Imo, the absolute worst exhaust note is BMW's 180° flat twin. 🤮 As one person commented decades ago regarding the boxer-twin... "sounds like exalted flatulence." It's a great motor for reliability, though. ✅️ Anyway, have a nice day!😃
I did in fact pause the chart and in doing so noticed that you've converted the BMW F900 XR's 4.20L/100km to 33.6mpg US. I'd have guessed that more like 56 mpg US or 67 miles per real gallon.
@@tonychettleburgh8953 Oh that. I didn't have that with mine (gsxs1000f) but I did look it up in the shop manual. The shop manual actually gives very specific instructions on how to fix cam chain rattle. Generally, a piece of debris gets stuck in the cam chain tensioner, so you have to remove it and pump the debris out. It's like a 5 minute job.
Excellent question. No. V-STROM has better rider triangle, wind protection, 19" front, crazy reliable engine, more off road capable than the GX. Just rode my 1050XT from NC to Alaska and back. 10K miles in 25 days. Not a single problem. Few bikes I would trust in the middle of the Yukon on a rough road 500 miles from a dealer. Certainly not a Ducati or KTM.
I tested this bike at the dealership and was very underwhelmed. I however loved the GSX 8 R, lovely torquey engine , great value middleweight. A week later I rode the BMW M1000xr and can honestly say it’s the most exciting bike I’ve ridden and in a totally different league to this bike …yes it’s pricey but really on a different planet. This Suzuki , in my view is a few years behind the curve.
Right price would be 18.5k FULLY equipped (hard cases, heated grips, comf. seat , centerstand and adequate whindshield. I tested the bike and i loved it, no weak points. But the market is full of good competitors, and the price is 1k to high, maybe 1.5k. That's the weak point, and it's a sensible one
The title of this video is applicable only for your country I guess. Suzuki GSX-s1000 GX is 15,500 euros while Yamaha Tracer9 GT+ is 18,500 euros in Romania :) Tracer is 3000 euros more here so the prices heavily differ from country to country. That's why I bought the GSX-s1000 GX in an instant.
I own a 2020 BMW R1250RT, I´m looking for a lighter Sport-Touring machine, as my routes are short and plenty of twisties. The RT handles really good there, but I like to change bikes from time to time. I´m considering the Tracer 9 GT+ and this Suzuki GSX S 1000 GX. I´ve tested a Tracer 9 GT+ a few days ago, and that machine runs really good.
This is very similar to the T9GT+, to me, the Tracer feels a slight bit smaller and lighter but this has more of a "presence". You have a hard decision to make but at least you have choice 😁
Screen needs tools to adjust it so there’s that, the foot pegs are a little high for long distance touring , the seat isn’t comfortable for me. I agree, for a Suzuki it’s encroaching on premium brand territory…….I do rate the TFT’s Suzuki is using these days - nice review two thumbs up 👍👍
I test rode this bike too and while riding it was a blast, i noticed the paint was so so easily scratchable and the plastic bits on it and the paint on them seemed a bit low quality for the price they ask of this bike, also it has no android auto?whats up with that?My GF did not enjoy the pillion ride as her head was getting ripped off by the wind, her words.
To my eyes Suzuki are at least 3 years behind the curve, a new KTM1290S (with adaptive Cruise) would be 17.5K- so why would I pay more for less features in a GX?
I dont like the dodgy stepper motor gear in plastic that are not robust enough on the ride by wire system on KTM. Too many expensive repairs on a premium priced bike that should be far better, Same with BMW. It puts me off them. You cant beat japanese build quality, reliability especially suzuki in line 4s. Theyre that good for big mileages.
Save your money and for $13k get the Ninja 1000 with the money you save you can afford the panniers too… the Ninja 1000 is my choice regardless the price savings is all the more reason.
And it's not even a new engine. It's still the same old K5 engine that is how old? 20 years... They are milking it really good. I'm not saying it's a bad thing, but the price is way too high for it. Advantage is, you will never run out of spare parts ever.
It has about 2/3 the horsepower and is a twin. Nothing wrong with the duc engine - I have a version of it, but very different than an I4 - I also have a version of the K5. I love them differently. LOL
Mit ein wenig Handlungsgeschick bekommt man die BMW s1000xr (incl. Dynamic- und Tourenpaket) fast für den gleichen Betrag! Nicht nur optisch wirkt die XR zudem filigraner und sportlicher! Da würde ich nicht lange überlegen und NEIN, ich meine NICHT das M- Modell! 😬
This Suzuki GSX-S1000GX is probably a "great" bike,....however with the BMW S1000XR (a great machine as well) being so closely priced, which comes with a 3-year factory warranty, great BMW finance options, and probably better resale value, it makes it an easy decision for "me" to say NO to this Suzuki, but a BIG YES to their Vstrom 800 SE/ DE model.
I ridden the vstrom 800D€ for a month and did not like it, then i got the Gsx-8s with the same engine and this is a superb bike...Verry strange that de gearbox on the 800DE was terrible,like a gearbox from a old harley davidson, but on the gsx-8s is is perfect..maybe they use another gearbox or it was a gearbox produced on a monday..
I had a testride on the GT and I agree with your review. The motor sounds promising but can't deliver in lower revs. The quickshifter is the only highlight which is really smooth. The price for a Suzuki is too close to a BMW S1000XR which is far more capable and keeps its value after years.
I we tried and i don t like it. It s sport s bike made sort of to drive long miles. I m more into enduro bikes to cruise around and when you need a power-just twist the throatle. Im 6”03-190cm and it s kind a crampt for me. It has a bar vibes around 3000rpm wicth can be solved with bar dumpers.Who is looking sports bike that is kinda relax position-perfect.
Tracer GT Plus is much better and you get everything and more for a less price, no brainer Yamaha for mem Scott when are you reviewing the Tracer 9 GT Plus
Apart from the loads of reports about high speed stability problems on the Tracer gt9 and rust in some bits after just a few months after buying... I wouldn't buy a bike with stability problems and that would start looking bad after just some time of ownership 🤷🏼
Dude, I know you've got nothing to prove, but you live near the damn autobahn and get to test drive all these cool bikes. If you don't start doing top speed runs with every bike I am going to unsubscribe. I swear.
This bike ist limited in speed. I would never consider such a thing, because for me that is a hint that it is poorly constructed, if the suspension cannot cope with the engine. It's not that I go 200 + constantly, but I do not want get limited by the bike!
Euro bikes have beaten the japanese bikes in all the comparisons for the past 16 years strait Euro bikes better in every aspect now . . 20k for an inferior suzuki ? not a chance
I sold my F900XR and finally moved to GX. Frankly, it's a totally different experience. I'm happy so far. S1000XR may be better but the price difference is huge. Thank you for the review.🍻🍻🍻
I sat on that bike last weekend and loved it! Excellent review.
I like how you bring your human emotions and humor to your reviews. Very unique. Adventure style platforms are my favorite. I like to set up and see out a bit farther on that style platform.
I tried this bike at the dealership. Absolutely loved it. It was a hoot to drive and I would really like one. But I'm afraid my license would be revoked in a jiffy. Cuz it encourages hooligan riding and the regular speed limits feel like they should all be at least double of what they are. Need to move to Germany to have one. But I'm surprised not more people are talking about it and considering it when buying a new bike. So many go automatically towards BMW GS, but for many of those buyers, this would be a better bike for them.
4 Days i drive with the GX at Dolomite this week and i have a good time with this bike, no problem.
Nice comments man. Why manufacturers can't figure out aerodynamics on these kinds of bikes at this point is beyond me.
Scott, I appreciate your honest opinion.
I don't even own a motorcycle but I love watching Scott's vids!
Time for you to take the MSF course and get your endorsement life is short you are missing out
I really appreciate all the additional info, that you supply with the subtitles, like: 04:30, 00:40 and others.
They really help us understand better what's the point of the presenter.
And it completely differentiate Your materials from the others.
👌
Exceptional editing, presentation of objective data and high quality opinions; transcript and access to “chapters” very useful. For me, the review makes a great case to buy something pre-owned that’s broken-in and fully farkled.
I bought a heavily discounted 23 Tiger 1200 GT Explorer back in March for just over 19k out the door & the list of standard features from Triumph is absolutely fantastic. I was eye’n these & the new Africa Twin adventure sports & it was just to hard to pass up the deal I got on my Tiger. First time owning a Triumph in 20+ yrs of riding & I must say it is a fantastic bike.
With all that said…yes I agree with you that I’d wait on the price to drop some. No ctr stand & no heated grips as standard for a bike that’s 18+ is a miss I feel, as is the wind screen not being adjustable on the go
Enjoyed the review, keep them coming
Great review Scott & excellent call! Suzuki should have added side cases, centre stand & heated grips for the same price as the Yammy T9GT+ to really make a statement.
Well explained & presented!
Cheers
Suzuki makes great bikes. I don't understand the "for a Suzuki" thing.
It's the fit and finish. It's like people who buy luxury cars talk about "panel gaps" and how quiet it is when you close the doors. Personally, I love my kawasaki and don't care about a lacquered finish on the tops of the Allen key bolts or the flimsiness of the chain guard. I care about how it rides, not how it looks in an immaculate motor carriage parked next to a Bentley.
Yah, that was dumb...
I worked at a Suzuki dealership about 15 years ago. New bikes would arrive with the mild steel downpipes and fasteners covered in corrosion. Engines and transmission were largely OK but bolted on bits had a habit of falling off and you could see corners cut everywhere. They were known for producing cheap, honest bikes. In fact that was our clientele - people who could not afford (or didn’t want to pay) the price for more “premium” brands. They’ve since upped their game (and their prices), mainly because there was no profit in heavily discounted (already) cheap bikes, but the stigma of being cheap bikes seems to follow them around. Like all manufacturers, they realised the gullible public will pay car money for “premium” features. At least the 800 series still represents good value for money AND good quality. This bike is a bit Frankenstein to me - either market the GT better or release a proper adv bike (IMHO the V Strom 1000 misses the mark by quite a margin).
@@MV-XD2 Had several bikes from different brands. The bikes with the less issues came from Suzuki. In fact, never had any problems with them.
That was because until relatively recently they were mechanically extremely simple. You’d be lucky to find ABS, let alone anything more fancy. And as I mentioned the engine and transmission were pretty bulletproof, as was the paint (oil based). Sadly the grade of metal and plastics, whilst not dangerous, was generally poorer than most other brands. I must have seen more than a thousand Suzukis in my time there and I saw some horror stories. Things got better with the revised V Strom 650 around 2012. That being said I always had a soft spot for them. My GSX1250 had monstrous torque and never had a false neutral. 3,700 mile service intervals and a no link chain (a new chain meant removing the swingarm) plus the slightly vague handling were not so good 😂
I'm not saying the price point is too high for a Suzuki objectively, but at that price point I am going for the S1000XR every time over the GSX-S1000GX. IMO, once you start peeling back the layers of the onion, the S1000XR is better from macro to micro. Great review, my guy!
XR reliability not that great. My friend’s XR got engine issues despite he bought it brand new.
Regarding pricing, in the Netherlands comparing base prices of the Suzuki to the BMW would see a massive 24,6% difference. And then the BMW has nothing on it, start adding the basics that the Suzuki has as stock and you would soon breach 30% difference in price. That's allot!
At least in Portugal an XR with the same level of equipment as the GX is more or less 4000€ more expensive...
If you don’t ride more than 1 hour BMW. If you do Suzuki !
not so much.
Dude, I ride Suzuki for many years but 2 months ago I bought myself an extra cfmoto 800mt explorer for touring. I’m sold.., it has just everything I need for standard. The CarPlay dash is amazing 😂
The 800MT is „all in“, very impressive offer if you’re ok with the 21“ front wheel and the kind of „sleepy“ engine mapping, compared to a KTM 790 Adv.
@@Thorsten_Kueppers indeed, I was just looking for a comfortable touring bike with some tech stuff on it and it does the job very well. Was not looking for a touring with a shitload off bhp’s.
I also have a 22y old suzuki bandit 1200 for fun.
On the other hand, if you revv the 800MT it wakes up around 4.5K and does the thing.
Really appreciate the effort and time that you put into your videos.. great content.. thanks for sharing
You are such a great guy! Love your work
great videos, love that you included the comparison specs table
Great review as usual Scott. You are fast becoming my favourite you tuber!
I purchased my bike in March, overall I am happy. I however had to upgrade the windscreen to the new Puig touring windscreen, it has made a world of difference! I also added a set of Michelin Road 6's (I don't think the tire change is mandatory in hindsight, unless your riding in all weather / touring allot)
Heard alot of vibration issues on the bike.. what puts me off from getting it is the infamous tensioner sound. Don't wanna be laughed at by my riding buddies when I turn the bike on 😢
@@danielblitz not sure which vibration issues you are referring to, the only vibration problem I have noticed would be that the mirrors at speed vibrate. Also no engine issues to report yet, but I have only ridden about 2500km's.
Cant understand the price difference in the different regions.
The GX is available in the UK with panniers for £14500....even £13200 without luggage.
It's brilliant, in particular the gearbox and quickshifter, but the lack of centre stand, heated grips and a screen that's the size of a postage stamp that is not adjustable on the move or without an appropriate allen key or similar is a little lacking for the price.
If they include these things for the UK price then it's a good buy.
I priced up a centre stand and it was £470. ( Crazy money)..
Its a brilliant ride but the Tracer 9 Gt or GT+ is a much better proposition which includes all of these things and more for less money....😉👍
But doesn't have an IMU. So for that, I'd rather have it. Especially that it's pennies more than the GT on a pcp deal which most are bought on in the UK.
What is this madness? In Romania the GX is 15,500 euros while Tracer9 GT+ is 18,500 euros!
I bought the GX and added heated grips, a medium size plastic top box and the original crash pads for an extra 1000 euros making a total of 16,500 euros spent on the GX ---> still 2000 euros cheaper then the Tracer9 GT+.
@@europexiii3915 Ex Demo GX's are 10.5k-11.5k with less than 500 miles... why I never buy a brand new bike, also wait a few months.
I have ridden both the Suzuki and Yamaha 9 GT+, and the Yamaha offers a superior package. It includes adaptive cruise control, brakes linked to the suspension in addition to being linked brakes, a third-generation quick shifter, and an engine with substantial mid-range torque. One downside of the Suzuki is its noticeable vibrations, wind noise, and the need for high revs to showcase its performance.
Personally the look of the Yamaha is so atrocious I could not hand over real money for it. Also since when did adaptive cruise control become a selling point on a sports touring bike? Maybe buy an armchair cruiser or a trike.
@@valebliz I tested the Suzuki after riding the Yamaha, and while I know the K5 has 15% more torque and 30 more HP, the Suzuki's additional 20 kg of weight was quite noticeable. By the way, I tested both bikes on roads at speeds up to 110 km/h, not on a track where the Suzuki would have excelled.
@@BernardVisagie Who needs cruise control when riding on winding roads 🙂. But once you use adaptive cruise control on a straight highway with heavy traffic, it becomes incredibly comfortable.
@@valebliz When I first tried the Tracer 9 GT, I experienced the same vague feeling from the front wheel. However, after riding 11,000 km on the OEM Battlax T32 tires, I've gotten used to them and no longer notice the issue. This weekend, I will switch to Road 6 tires and test them on very winding roads.
I have had the T32GT on the rear and T32 on the front of my R1250GS twice now. I absolutely love them. And I really push them on fast twisties etc etc. Killer grip.
Good review! :D any chance of a similar video/comparison with the GSXS 1000GT? i would really love that one :D
This bike's frame, swingarm and fairing looks like my 2017 tracer MT09...
Suzuki is in a different power league to the Yamaha and the Honda and a different reliability league to the BMW
What's wrong with the BMW? They also back their bikes with a 3 year 36k mile warranty.
@@willdebeljak7062 BMW BREAKS A LOT!
@@rainydays9091I'm on my 9th BMW and never had a breakdown. What are you talking about? 😂
@@rainydays9091 you cant affort one 😂😂😂
My XR has 90 000 troublefree kms in 4 years, warranty wad 3 years without limitation. Today, for a small extra, i ckuld get 5 years unlimited waranty
17:17 - at $19k the XR doesn't have cruise. That requires a $2500 package. A touring bike without cruise as standard is weird. And really, it's essential, so base price of the XR is $23k.
Here it's just 360 to add making a total cost of 19,640. We can pick and choose what we want. You must be in the States, to have to get a package like that, I hated that when picking and choosing my Honda ST1100, Blackbird, VFR800 all had to have a "package" getting stuff I didn't want but if you want just one thing, you have to get all if it. Sucks. The vote for pres. is the same way but if I vote independent again then the libs will continue making a mess of things, so have to vote Rep...sigh.
@@NothingToProve Yeah, in the US. Tried adding just cruise and got the pop-up to add some $3000 package. Unfortunate.
Hi. I'm thinking of stepping up to GX from BMW F900XR. I know you have extensive knowledge of BMW F900XR and your opinion will be valuable. Note: I started to have neck and back pains and can't stand anymore with the riding dynamics of the F900 XR. It's too windy and the sitting position is no good anymore.
6:05 Wow, you used the original Latin plural of vortex (= vortices) instead of the more common vortexes. As a Latin teacher, I'm giving you two thumbs way way up for that (not to mention the bike review itself). 👍👍
I saw the Ninja 1000sx on your list. Do you have a review for it? Couldn't find one when I searched.
The truth is that Suzuki is not less than Yamaha and Honda in anything. It is preferred in some countries like my country, and it is also the highest in reliability and endurance of other brands. It is similar to Toyota in Japan, where the equipment is lower, the price is lower, and the reliability is higher.
How about with Kawasaki Versys 1000?
The bike is currently advertised on Suzuki's website at £15,899 on the road. That is the + model which has panniers. The Hayabusa is over £18000 I agree.
Reminds me more of a Kawasaki Versys 1000.
Everytime I see one I think it's a BMW s1000xr
If you talk about the headlight design, yes, and I think, that's the 'what if' Kawasaki didn't ditched the vertical headlight design of their Versys.
@@alphajed7700 Yes.. especially from the front.. Put some odd shaped hard luggage on it and it resembles my 2019 Versys 1000 SE LT+ a lot more...
@@techguyMDI have 2022 Versys 1000 and would never trade it for this Suzuki. Too low gearing, worthless seat and design for 2-up riding, poorer wind protection, too sport oriented riding position, and less torque through lower portion of rev range. The Suzuki has better display, quick-shifter, more top end power, and more attractive design. If Kawasaki released new Versys 1000 with VVT to give best of both worlds I would upgrade tomorrow. Better yet also with self adjusting valves then they would steal huge market share from competitors.
@@valebliz Suzuki GX is more comparable to Ninja 1000SX. My brother has one and I have ridden it and would not trade for the Versys. He is slightly younger but I ride many more miles. To suggest this Suzuki GX has a pillion carrying capability is a gross exaggeration. Surely not for any distance more than 50 miles round trip.
The irony is the individuals who have this kind of money to spend on a luxury good are not spring chickens. Why are manufacturers pandering to such a small sector of an aging out market? This is main reason adventure bikes capable of long distance touring with upright riding posture and wind protection are so popular. I prefer upright sport touring for long distance riding as opposed to adventure bike. Been there done that.
XR for me, mine has 90 000 kms in 4 years now
The only fair thing to do is ride the Suzuki for 4 years and 90k and get back to us with the final verdict.
Thanks, once again, great explanation and opinion.👍👍👍
Would you rather have this bike or the Versys 1000 for sport touring?
this
Great review as always. Love how the bike feels on the showroom floor - great ergos for me, great styling, great color - but I struggle with the value proposition as well. And why Suzuki doesn't bother even offering as optional a color matched top case blows my mind. In their reveal, they said the bke was only designed for soft luggage behind the passenger seat. So that likely means the sub-frame can't even handle an aftermarket solution. Do they even do customer research and actually talk to sport touring customers? For $18K and all the not-so-insignificant annoyances you mentioned this bike is and will not be in my consideration set.
Use yer blinker.
What, exactly, devalues a bike that has the name "Suzuki" on it, parts and quality being the same?
I'd like to see Suzuki make same gearing adjustments between the S1K variants and offer a custom version of Puig's multi-adjustavle deflector 2.0.
But mostly I want to see a version of this in 749cc 4 or 776cc twin.
Honest question, what was the last bike you actually disliked?
2024 Kawasaki Z500
@@NothingToProvedarn what’s a good beginner bike then? Thanks
@@SWTVENOM 2024 Kawasaki Z500
I had the GSXS1000F and loved it except for the absurd gearing. 1st gear was way too tall, and 6th was screaming at 5K at perfectly legal highway speeds.
Unfortunately, almost all motorcycles from Japan and Europe have race track gearing.
@@rightwingsafetysquad9872 All the sportbikes have really tall first gearing, and it makes sense to if you're going to visit the racetrack once in a while. The first time I rode a sportbike on the track I found the gearing made sense...and did GP shifting when I was stuck in a left hand turn at redline (I had street shifting).
I sold the GSXS1000 and soon afterwards bought a '22 XSR900. Cruise control, sensible gearing, smaller engine output, MUCH lighter, the XSR900 is a much better casual street bike and commuting bike.
I have the gsx-s750 and it isn't screaming at highway speeds - is the gearing that much different?
@@anxiousappliance I've ridden 400cc inline fours with wider gearing than the GSXS1000. I think everyone ends up riding a GSXS1000 like a small bike...keep the revs up and use relatively large throttle openings...but I would like a bike that is more relaxed and street-oriented for the 90% of urban/commuting riding I actually do.
Awesome review, subbed!
I am curious to know what your verdict is on the seat hight of the (stock) S1000GX compared to BMW's S1000XR. I have nearly the exact same body shape than your's and having tried a S1000XR the other week, I could not help but just tiptoeing around with it and no way I could pose both feet flat on the ground. I was shocked if I'm honest and I wonder who that bike is made for... 6"5 behemoth ? The dealer said that the Testbike had stock seat hight settings although I cannot really believe that....
Just get the low seat option on the 1000XR, then the seat height is 820mm off the ground. This, the GX is 845mm off the ground 😊👍
But yea, I can't really "flat-foot the normal XR either 😒
@@NothingToProve It depends on the width of the seat as well. In the end it's about how you wrap your legs around the bike, The smaller the seat the more seat height you can compensate. I felt that the seat of the XR is fairly broad which makes the 820mm quite awkward for me whereas on my 1250RS where seat height is the same 820mm I can flat-foot smoothly. I wonder what the Suzuki's like in comparison...
I have to agree with you about the price. I think the tracer has it all for under that price and that also includes a heated seat. Like you said maybe suzuki will reflect on the price and make some adjustments like throw in a center stand and the luggage at no extra charge.
How are the vibrations compared to the XR?
about the same
Spec it up like my v2s travel and its only £1000 less and it doesn't say Ducati on the tank. But I've also got a gsx s1000.
Awesome video! Good points all, no doubt. Heated grips have to be the cheapest addition to a motorcycle . As well as windscreen. I don't see the logic in that. Great looking bike though. I did think the Suzuki brand comment was a little harsh. I do think it is priced too high based on competition. Best!
Looking at the table, Harley Low Rider ST getting 47 MPG is just incredible...(and it has 117 - which is about 1900cc V-Twin engine)... on average it runs 230~250 miles on its 5 gallon tank.
Would dropping down a tooth on the rear help? You mentioned it seems to like being in a taller gear and, it needs a 7th gear. Try dropping a tooth or two.
Yea, it would but that would mess up everything else, speedo, 6-axis IMU, all the electronics are set up for the diameter of the two sprockets, therefore changing the diameter of the sprocket changes the geometry of the suspension, further complicating things. Probably wouldn't notice it much at first but when pushed, then the problems would raise it's ugly head.
Great video!!!👍👍
I'd buy one and get a center-stand. No problem with the price when you love something.
That Yamaha is a Triple.
Horrible exhaust note!
I'd NEVER buy a triple!
Imo, the absolute worst exhaust note is BMW's 180° flat twin. 🤮
As one person commented decades ago regarding the boxer-twin... "sounds like exalted flatulence."
It's a great motor for reliability, though. ✅️
Anyway, have a nice day!😃
I did in fact pause the chart and in doing so noticed that you've converted the BMW F900 XR's 4.20L/100km to 33.6mpg US. I'd have guessed that more like 56 mpg US or 67 miles per real gallon.
Thank you! Fix it, yea it's 56mpg.
Hoping to see you ride the GT
Good job pointing out Suzuki's irrational value pricing strategy. Their marketing department is delusional.
Just curious does it have the same engine rattle as reported by the Gt owners online with the same engine ..
All GSXS1000 engines have that rattle; it's caused by a too tall 1st gear and you can't really slip the clutch well enough to avoid it.
@@langhamp8912 I think he means the cam chain rattle on start up.
@@tonychettleburgh8953 Oh that. I didn't have that with mine (gsxs1000f) but I did look it up in the shop manual. The shop manual actually gives very specific instructions on how to fix cam chain rattle. Generally, a piece of debris gets stuck in the cam chain tensioner, so you have to remove it and pump the debris out. It's like a 5 minute job.
serious question why would anyone buy this over a vstrom1050 road version?
Excellent question. No. V-STROM has better rider triangle, wind protection, 19" front, crazy reliable engine, more off road capable than the GX. Just rode my 1050XT from NC to Alaska and back. 10K miles in 25 days. Not a single problem. Few bikes I would trust in the middle of the Yukon on a rough road 500 miles from a dealer. Certainly not a Ducati or KTM.
"GT"? I thought that applied to the two stroke twins & triples of the 70's.
I tested this bike at the dealership and was very underwhelmed. I however loved the GSX 8 R, lovely torquey engine , great value middleweight. A week later I rode the BMW M1000xr and can honestly say it’s the most exciting bike I’ve ridden and in a totally different league to this bike …yes it’s pricey but really on a different planet. This Suzuki , in my view is a few years behind the curve.
It makes sense comparing this bike with the "normal" XR but not with the M...🤷🏼
Nice drone footage.
Right price would be 18.5k FULLY equipped (hard cases, heated grips, comf. seat , centerstand and adequate whindshield. I tested the bike and i loved it, no weak points. But the market is full of good competitors, and the price is 1k to high, maybe 1.5k. That's the weak point, and it's a sensible one
Now they should have the big boy engine as an option in it
Great Bike... I drive 6 Years ago a Suzi GSX 1250 FA.... And I want more Power....... This Bike have enough power.... Yeah...
This bike needs a Givi Airflow windscreen. I have one on my V-Strom 1000 and love it.
1:33 It would be totally awesome if you can share that spreadsheet
Great review. Too much cash for a Suzuki.
The title of this video is applicable only for your country I guess. Suzuki GSX-s1000 GX is 15,500 euros while Yamaha Tracer9 GT+ is 18,500 euros in Romania :)
Tracer is 3000 euros more here so the prices heavily differ from country to country. That's why I bought the GSX-s1000 GX in an instant.
Of course!
Yes, finally Scott. Been wanting to see you on this bike for sometime. Be safe my friend.
I own a 2020 BMW R1250RT, I´m looking for a lighter Sport-Touring machine, as my routes are short and plenty of twisties. The RT handles really good there, but I like to change bikes from time to time. I´m considering the Tracer 9 GT+ and this Suzuki GSX S 1000 GX. I´ve tested a Tracer 9 GT+ a few days ago, and that machine runs really good.
This is very similar to the T9GT+, to me, the Tracer feels a slight bit smaller and lighter but this has more of a "presence". You have a hard decision to make but at least you have choice 😁
Screen needs tools to adjust it so there’s that, the foot pegs are a little high for long distance touring , the seat isn’t comfortable for me. I agree, for a Suzuki it’s encroaching on premium brand territory…….I do rate the TFT’s Suzuki is using these days - nice review two thumbs up 👍👍
Nice 👍
Well in USA its cost 14k and Tracer 16 - 17k
No - the GT with bags is around $14 k, this bike-with bags - is $18 - 19 K
I test rode this bike too and while riding it was a blast, i noticed the paint was so so easily scratchable and the plastic bits on it and the paint on them seemed a bit low quality for the price they ask of this bike, also it has no android auto?whats up with that?My GF did not enjoy the pillion ride as her head was getting ripped off by the wind, her words.
To my eyes Suzuki are at least 3 years behind the curve, a new KTM1290S (with adaptive Cruise) would be 17.5K- so why would I pay more for less features in a GX?
Because GX will work, KTM well… occasionally, but, for sure you’ll have your adaptive cruise control at dash, not at road 🤣😂😄
I dont like the dodgy stepper motor gear in plastic that are not robust enough on the ride by wire system on KTM. Too many expensive repairs on a premium priced bike that should be far better, Same with BMW. It puts me off them. You cant beat japanese build quality, reliability especially suzuki in line 4s. Theyre that good for big mileages.
Suzuki 3 years behind KTM on reliability. Silly talk.
@@terrellgarren7125 Lol, had a guy that needed a camshaft replacement on his 5000 mile KTM 890, what reliability?
KTM is a few grand more expensive than the Suzuki.
Save your money and for $13k get the Ninja 1000 with the money you save you can afford the panniers too… the Ninja 1000 is my choice regardless the price savings is all the more reason.
Agree, and plenty of money left to get top spec suspension if is desired.
Ninja 1000 is great for anything but a motorway unfortunately.
Even though it's a bit down on power from the Suzuki I'd go with the Yamaha which has every option already on it for thousands less.
Feels about $5,000 too much?
And it's not even a new engine. It's still the same old K5 engine that is how old? 20 years... They are milking it really good. I'm not saying it's a bad thing, but the price is way too high for it. Advantage is, you will never run out of spare parts ever.
Thanks cobba
In my country, the new GX is 6k more than a new Suzi GT. No one really knows why this is..
It does have the electronic suspension and a 6 axis IMU. Still doesn't seem to add up to 6k though.
Ducati Multistrada V2S seems very comparable. I would have cross-shopped this last year if it had been available at the time. BUT… I love my MS!!
It has about 2/3 the horsepower and is a twin. Nothing wrong with the duc engine - I have a version of it, but very different than an I4 - I also have a version of the K5. I love them differently. LOL
I was really looking forward to this bike until I saw the MSRP. Uh, nope. I'd rather have a '15-18 gen Versys 1000 and save a bucket or two of money.
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Mit ein wenig Handlungsgeschick bekommt man die BMW s1000xr (incl. Dynamic- und Tourenpaket) fast für den gleichen Betrag! Nicht nur optisch wirkt die XR zudem filigraner und sportlicher! Da würde ich nicht lange überlegen und NEIN, ich meine NICHT das M- Modell! 😬
It's a down tuned K5 engine for fuel economy and reliability . But it's good enough for me.
Black out those horrible mismatched gold forks and you're in business with this bike. nice review.
yeah - this gold fork/shock thing has to end IMO. But some people love it.
Makes my fully specced BMW R1250RS seem like great value at £17.5K
and a lot better electronics and suspension and TFT and and and and...
1 bike gsx 1000s got multiplied into different gees
This Suzuki GSX-S1000GX is probably a "great" bike,....however with the BMW S1000XR (a great machine as well) being so closely priced, which comes with a 3-year factory warranty, great BMW finance options, and probably better resale value, it makes it an easy decision for "me" to say NO to this Suzuki, but a BIG YES to their Vstrom 800 SE/ DE model.
I ridden the vstrom 800D€ for a month and did not like it, then i got the Gsx-8s with the same engine and this is a superb bike...Verry strange that de gearbox on the 800DE was terrible,like a gearbox from a old harley davidson, but on the gsx-8s is is perfect..maybe they use another gearbox or it was a gearbox produced on a monday..
I had a testride on the GT and I agree with your review. The motor sounds promising but can't deliver in lower revs. The quickshifter is the only highlight which is really smooth. The price for a Suzuki is too close to a BMW S1000XR which is far more capable and keeps its value after years.
Classic Suzuki problem - 6th gear is too short. For God sake suzuki, this is not a super sport, give your touring/adventure bikes taller 6th gear!!!
I we tried and i don t like it. It s sport s bike made sort of to drive long miles. I m more into enduro bikes to cruise around and when you need a power-just twist the throatle. Im 6”03-190cm and it s kind a crampt for me. It has a bar vibes around 3000rpm wicth can be solved with bar dumpers.Who is looking sports bike that is kinda relax position-perfect.
Id take the gsx s1000gt
I would rather have a convensional suspension and a lower price.
That is brand snobbery at its finest.
No top case? That's a huge miss ... and a deal breaker. The bike is worthless as a tourer without a top box. My two cents.
There's aftermarket solutions already, but i agree: i would prefer oem.
I want 2 bikes for 20 thousand especially pounds or euros
Tracer GT Plus is much better and you get everything and more for a less price, no brainer Yamaha for mem Scott when are you reviewing the Tracer 9 GT Plus
Thank you! Been trying to get my hands on the GT+ since April...still trying...😒
Apart from the loads of reports about high speed stability problems on the Tracer gt9 and rust in some bits after just a few months after buying... I wouldn't buy a bike with stability problems and that would start looking bad after just some time of ownership 🤷🏼
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Dude, I know you've got nothing to prove, but you live near the damn autobahn and get to test drive all these cool bikes. If you don't start doing top speed runs with every bike I am going to unsubscribe. I swear.
He probably does and just doesn't post it.
@@SmittyAZ OMG please post it.
You should just unsubscribe. Also, there really is no reason to announce your exit, best just to go.
@@jeffcowell3935 Oh I'll be announcing it, just for you.
This bike ist limited in speed. I would never consider such a thing, because for me that is a hint that it is poorly constructed, if the suspension cannot cope with the engine.
It's not that I go 200 + constantly, but I do not want get limited by the bike!
Too expensive for this bike.
Euro bikes have beaten the japanese bikes in all the comparisons for the past 16 years strait Euro bikes better in every aspect now . . 20k for an inferior suzuki ? not a chance
This bike is very expensive for what it is, the twenty year old engine with no significant development and it's heavy.