@@BeresunablleAh yes, the best reason to deny humans the right to be biological animals who inevitably get sick and cannot work: some people are *gasp* not actually sick when they say they are
@@MuchToDoAboutNowt lol what? Did you even understand what i said? Some people are using there sick leave because thier days they that felt just lazy. So when there really sick and need the sick leave there nothing left. To you understand now
I feel you. I've never had a sick day in...like 5 -6 years. I actually worked all through covid while every employee decided to go home and collect CERB. I never got covid...still havent. No one i know had covid in a serious way. Thankfully I don't live in a highly populated city.
God...why do we Americans take this kind of BS??? We're treated like dog poo by employers and expected to be appreciative of these minor graces they give us.
because the thing the US lack is something many Americans laugh about, its socialism and communism which brought France workers laws, its liberalism which is doing its best to get rid of them and prevent the people from rising up against their benefits ^^ Mind you im neither socialist or the more extreme alternative, but the red scare during the cold war pretty much destroyed all of your hopes at proper Worker's protection laws and since protesting for them got you punished your culture adapted to one that shuts up more often than not when it comes to such issue
What do you expect of the people who were literally building this country on slave labor. It takes alot to shift them from ‘I deserve to use you as I wish!’ To ‘my employees are independent people with families and not a extension of myself or my business’
@@kattharsismicI worked in health care with seniors, was never offered any sick days and in 5 years working part time, just 5hr/wk under the full time cutoff, I accrued 6 vacation hours total.
I've never been offered sick days. It's always been a "guess you're using your pto today. Better hope you're better by tomorrow bc you can only have 1 'emergency' pro day"
I had bronchitis, my boss still made me come in, came in looking like shit, and got through 6 clients till my boss finally told me, "I guess you can go home." Btw if you see someone working while sick, tell their managers to let them go home. That's the only reason I was allowed to go home.
No for real! I’ve had problems with my teeth forever and one day I woke up with the entire side of my face bruised and swollen; it looked like someone had landed a haymaker on the left side of my face. I called and told them what was happening but they said to come in anyway since I didn’t have the sick time. I went in and the managers seemed fine with it. It was excruciatingly painful AND my speech was slurred. Finally, after about two and a half hours my manager told me that the customers were complaining and that I had to leave, and the managers were PISSED about it.
I did this 2 months ago. I was remotely 1on1 training an agent, and she kept going on mute for a noticeable amount of time and would take a while to answer my questions, but wouldn't tell me why. So I decided to build rapport by not talking about work and making jokes, etc. After she laughed a really bad coughing fit came through and she started to sob while coughing, and frantically explaining herself as if I caught her. That's when she told me she was recently diagnosed with Covid and more by her doctor, but was too scared to take time off in fear of getting fired because she hasn't accumulated sick time yet. I immediately contacted upper-management, and made sure she had the time she needs to get better. After two months, I saw her back at work. We're both female and live in the US by the way.
I'm also British and was thinking it sounds like a hassle to get one every single time you've got a bad cold or a sick bug. No point clogging up the GP with people who just need to stay home for a day or two.
Most of the time if something drastic hasn't happened the NHS will only consider taking your symptoms seriously if you've had them for 2-3 weeks! A doctors note from 1 day of feeling ill would be impossible to get!
Ikr. It really is laughable how some Americans feel blessed working in America and criticizing labor in asian countries while American labor laws and rules are really just as bad. Especially for pregnant women and new mothers.
We have it the other way round: the employee is protected. If I'm sick, it's the doctor's decision, not my employer's, so if I go on paid sick leave, the employer has to take note of it and can't fire me in the meantime! And they can't fire me for being sick. And the medical check-up is free, but you don't even have to go in, just an email saying you've got a cold. They don't think I'm lying, they don't treat me like a child.
Yeah but if you have the flu or a cold your doctor isn't gonna give you paid sick leave for that. Plus at most places you have to be with a company for a minimum of a year or two for them to even allow you to take leave
@@brittanyrearick414Stop making up crap. First off, doctors will give you a note for everything, including mental distress and sickness you can't "prove" like headache. Second off, there is no "unpaid sick leave". If you stay away for 3 days or longer without prove that you are sick, you will eventually get fired, but you will absolutely be paid until then. Why are you spreading lies, ate you so embarrassed of the States? Yeah I would be, too. Sucks to be you. Now do something against it.
How shocking is it that it requires luck and understanding to be able to take care of ourselves (and protect others from our germs, if we're contagious)...and that we have to be grateful for the privilege? Also shocking: that generation after generation, we not only accept this, but resist any effort to change the laws so as to afford us the protection taken for granted in so many other countries?
@Alice-xy3fi So long as politicians who are barely a few steps away from death or who are deep inside corporate pockets are still in office, then nothing's going to change
well, yes, we are not accustomed to it so it messes us up. Traveling around I always get sick from AC within the first week, after that I canlive in AC world until I go back home for more than 3 months 😂 then I lose my hard won immunity
Even legally it's not outlawed. It's only restricted. The 13th amendment still clearly admits it's perfectly legal as long as it's punishment for those convicted of a crime.
The doctors note thing is always weird for a cold or flu. Like… if you don’t have a car and you’re sick and you need 3 days advance to get a Medicaid cab why would you go to the doctor to get a note to prove you have a cold like they can’t cure you?
In the Netherlands doctors are not even allowed to give out that information. For certain visa's you need doctors approval for traveling and it can be a nightmare to get them to sign the form. We have very strict privacy laws regarding patiences
Agreed. Even if you do have a car you might not be able to safely drive if you're sick. It's a waste of a doctor's time, and just spreads the illness further. Also you should be home recovering, extending yourself unnecessarily can just make you sick longer.
A flu is a serious illness, that can take up to two weeks. I’m in Germany and here your doctor comes to visit you when are not able to visit them (all at no cost at point of service). But here the concept of „sick days“ is also incomprehensible, when you are ill, you are ill. Your boss can ask for a doctors note after 0 days or a couple of days as proof that you are unable to work (and up to six weeks or so - with one diagnosis - it’s all fully paid, later it’s less, but still paid)
Not to spread infection, I guess... 🤔 If the boss or HR sees you working sick, he/she makes you go to the doctor. Not to suffer there, like there's no tomorrow if you're absent!
In Australia: Doctors note can be obtained from a local pharmacy/ chemist. Costs AUD$10 sometimes. Very helpful for University or work but lol yeah we don’t tend to punish people for not spreading their germs. Did we not learn anything from COVID?
Yeah, people don’t believe covid was actually bad. They can’t comprehend we lost a large chunk of the population, and they don’t believe we needed to be as careful as we were. America, home of the 50% graduation rates
@@sherlogic1256I think the WHO recorded worldwide about 6Million deaths to Covid. Thats less than 1/10 of the world population. So, its not as bad what we had in the 20th century. Buts its still disgusting when people spread their germs.
Many managers and corporations in the US learned nothing from COVID, and probably learned they can further abuse employees by making them work from home when they should rest.
@@rawxaneAustralia has Telehealth as well which can provide electronic copies of medical certificates. These online consultations aren’t strictly doctors either. They can be pharmacists and chemists as well. Additionally, if you have to undergo treatment at a certain facility, the receptionists can provide a certificate of attendance which is also accepted by employers as proof of
I have lived in three countries with national health care that is not tied to one's employment: Japan, France, and Colombia. These conversations are realistic. Think of it, Colombia, South America is ranked better than the United States for the distribution of health care.
I was literally in a car accident two weeks ago and I had my mom call my boss since I was still with the doctors and my boss was mad. “Honey I don’t have coverage for you”. My mom said “ not her problem my child is literally in a hospital bed after being in an accident. Isn’t it your job as the boss to find coverage?” She called me later that evening to apologize. It’s all good I’m relocating and I have a much better job. Can’t believe this is the American work force.
I’ve never understood the limit on “sick days” it’s not like germs are gonna say “oh she doesn’t have anymore sick days left… looks like I can’t go to her” like I’m still gonna get sick and I should be able to stay home if my immune system is down
The idea is like, most people aren't gonna be sick every single day of the year, or even a majority of the year, so if you take more sickdays than allotted you're "lying to get out of work" rather than actually sick.
If you're the one paying for your health insurance, and not on a plan offered through your workplace, then I can def understand telling them to get over it if you're out for a day (or even two). In my work/union manual, the policy is that you are requested to have a doctor's note if you're out for more than three consecutive days at a time. However, I have had a job ask me to bring in a note when I was out for one day. I've 'forgotten' before, but my answer has also been to reiterate the above - that unless they're going to pay for that doctors visit instead of letting me stay home and rest, to keep it off the table.
I have gone to work sick multiple times because i simply could not afford a doctor or to lose a day of work. It is not safe for anyone. My old job i was at my station and my throat closed. I started bleeding from my nose and my face turned purple. I passed out and woke up with water splashed on my face. I drank hot water and my boss sent me home. I tried coming back to work the next day but was stopped at the door and told i needed a doctor's note for the previous day or i wasnt allowed back in the building. I doctor's note for me being sent home from a huge episode my boss saw with their own eyes. I told him it would be easier and more affordable for me to find a new job than it would be for me to go to the doctor. He said he still needed a doctor's note. I had 2 days off to recover and started my new job immediately. I still dont know if i was fired or if i quit.
@Lomhow oh I have a few previous employers that have broken many laws. I could sue a bunch of them. The only issue is that after I sue, I know I more than likely not get another job for a while. If I sue, I need to know I will make enough money to support me and my family for a long time before I can get a job in a new field. New employers don't like to hire whistle blowers. And the employer mentioned above wasn't even the worst one!
@@chb5628dude thank you for mentioning this, there are so many circumstances that warrant legal intervention but would be a financial detriment to the victim. like ofc i should sue...but i cant afford to😫
My French MIL was diagnosed with breast cancer. Whenever she had to go to her appointments my FIL was given time off to accompany her at her appointments. He was also given an additional 3 days paid time off to take care of her after chemo appointments.
I worked in healthcare with seniors for 5 years, and in that I worked 25 hours a week, just under the 30 hr full time cutoff. I was offered no sick days, and in the whole five years I accrued 6 paid vacation HOURS total.
Also in America, you break your arm, get a full cast and everything, then you ask the doctor for a doctors note because you work a manual labor job, and the doc say "well you still have one good are, so you'll be fine. No note for you."
As a teacher, I used all my sick days, because of different situations I've had this year. I knew I had some dental problems, also, and was waiting to get them taken care of during summer. Well, one of my teeth decided to kill me now. I had to take one day off without pay, so far. I'm having an extraction on Monday. I hope I can go to work on Tuesday.
Not getting the proper amount of time needed to heal might have serious consequences for your health. I'm so sorry you have to go through that kind of abuse. I hope you can vote for someone this year who will finally change those things
I have an autoimmune disorder (im protected by the ADA bc im immuno-compromised bc of it) so im sick often. I tell any job i apply to any and all warnings that could apply due to my disabilities, and they always say "oh it's no problem, i appreciate your work ethic and your honesty" then after i use my sick days and need more, they built me into quitting except my last job that outright fired me. Their reason: i called out sick too much. I called out twice and brought a doctor's note along with any notes the doctor took, the receipt, the tests done, and prescriptions. It was the best I've done health wise in a really long time, i was only there 90 days for my "trial period" but man. I told them they're admitting to firing me for my disabilities (they listed a couple other things that i told them were possible due to my disabilities) and they said FMLA doesn't count since i hadn't been there long enough but the ADA is different and applies all the time. They kept rolling their eyes and wouldn't show me documentation they said they had. I loved that job, but if there were budget cuts they needed to make, just say that, bc i struggled with guilt and shame for my disabilities and pushed myself too the point i would injure myself, i would come into work sick and wear a mask, i couldn't risk losing another job bc im disabled. It really messed me up but i didn't have evidence to sue. I wanted to so bad. The American system as a whole is screwed
Talk to a lawyer about what proof you need. Your body with its disability is all the proof you need of the possibility of being issues, and they can’t tell the court they forgot why they fired you.
There’s a long way ahead for companies, governments to provide ppl with disabilities (I’m myself one) with the same rights and opportunities than everyone else. I live in Europe and the country that I live in proud themselves to be all about equality but it seems that only applies to sex gender equality. Companies here when they know about my disability, whether they don’t call me back or wants to pay me way less than I made before I became disable. So it’s not only in America but most of the world, need to work on equality for disable and choric conditions people.
this mentality trickles down to peoples kids too. can’t tell you how many times my mother has screamed at me for getting sick & having to miss school. It’s not fun being sick all night/early morning while also dealing with the anxiety of your mother’s reaction & feeling like you’ve done something wrong that deserves punishment.
Probably nothing will change, because politicians told them that they live in the best country in the world. The land of the free! Their children act like german children in the 1940s every morning in front of the flag in class.
Having to provide a doctors note is insane for a one day absence. I live in a major city and many times the doctor cant see you if you don't actually have an appointment.
The doctor has to check you if you went there. What you said is inhumane. In Serbia, if you get there without an appointment, you'll be in the doctor's office after 3 patients with appointments. If your doctor can't check you, some of the other doctors have to take you between their patients. It's a law. Nobody can just send you home sick like you're healthy if you didn't guess that you'll be sick on that day!🤷
@@jecapeca Doctors in the US have private practices, they can refuse service to whoever for any reason. Not having an appointment is a valid reason for a GP to say "nope". However, clinics and emergency rooms have to see you. They are very expensive though. I called out of work with flu like symptoms a few months ago, they told me to get a covid test done by a doctor. Went to a clinic and they wanted $200 for the test alone. Not even including the actual fees ☠️ I refused lmao.
Well, in France, we have the same problem: in some areas, you have to wait THREE WEEKS to get an appointment, so people go to work sick. And since the French can be the worst assholes in the world, of course they go to work without any mask on, not washing their hands, so they can spread their germs everywhere. It's worst in schools, parents send their sick children but then complain when the teacher is absent because he caught their own child's illness! During COVID, it was a nightmare, some teachers got it multiple times and nothing was done to force the parents to be responsible. For the government, the important thing was getting the parents to work. Putting teachers' health at risk was a detail.
I've been sick the last few days. I slept 20 hours a day. I couldn't help thinking of all the times i went to work anyway mostly because if i didn't my coworkers would have been screwed because everywhere I've worked was always understaffed. Nevermind that i probably got them sick. That wasn't a thing most employers considered years ago. I don't have a job like that anymore but i still feel guilty and like i was just being lazy. Despite my fever body aches and fatigue. It's just so hammered in to us you have to work or you better be actually dying, especially gen x and boomers. 😭
I got fired for being pregnant and the government couldn't do anything because the job claimed that after you use all your sick days you are self terminating so it was listed as me quitting. Rejected for unemployment. the US sucks.
Wow, in France pregnancy is protected. It's illegal to fire a pregnant women unless she purposely tried to hurt the company (intent has to be proven). The protection starts 15 days before she informs the company of her pregnancy. And during her maternity leave (starting 10 weeks before due date and ending 6 weeks after giving birth) it's totally illegal to fire her for any reason. It will have to wait until she comes back to work, and of course, having had a pregnancy is not a legal reason to fire and would lead to some serious financial compensation.
Having to go out to get a DR note is the opposite of getting rest. When I’m sick I want to be in bed, not spending hours driving to, in the waiting room of, and seeing the DR.
Legit, this is true: the minute you call a boss to say you're WAY too sick you can hear them getting cool, guilting you into coming in, telling you to come in "later" when you feel better, or saying shit like "ok, I *guess* if that's what you *really* feel like you NEED to do..." (meaning they're going to be pissy later & don't believe you)
This is soo true! 😢 At my job, the vacation days and sick days are combined into my paid time off. If I use up my PTO, there is no vacation time to use. And, just like your American "boss", my boss is so rude when I call in.
Few actually say that. The ones that do either drew the long straw and have it good, are delusional - I don’t use this word lightly - or are straight up lying.
And after 6 weeks of sickness maximum you'll have to meet with a health and safety officer to determine or rule out if it's longterm sickness. In both cases you get paid during abscence.
My job doesn't even have sick days, we have PTO to cover sick, vacation, and personal days. They don't accept doctor's notes, either, and you can only have a certain number of unscheduled absences per rolling 12 months or else you get written up and then fired.
Kinda similar to the UK, if your attendance continues to fall below a certain percentage (determined by the company) over a 12 month period, you are escalated up the warning system, the end of which is being fired. Holidays are generous though, and mandatory.
@@Politely_Indifferent holidays are mandatory? Someone doesn’t have to work during to Holidays? There’s no drawing straws to see who has to work during Christmas and stuff?
@@MitsumiUSBMouse No, as in Paid Time-Off is mandatory. Everyone, regardless of where they work, is given a minimum number of paid vacation weeks each year by law. You have to be given them and have to be paid. Companies can choose when you have them though. As in National Holidays it depends on your employer. If you work on a National Holiday you will usually be given an extra days paid vacation.
UK here! Only need sick note if off for more than 4 days. Unpaid the first 4, but from the 5th day "Statutory Sick Pay" kicks in. Though more and more companies are choosing to pay sick leave from day 1.
@@Lomhow I had a pneumothorax a month ago and I got intervened after waiting 5-10 minutes. Then I had 40 days work leave and got paid 75% of my normal wage for those days. I use a regional "branch" of Spanish NHS and if I tell them that I really need to see the doctor (I tend to get nose infections so I use to need antibiotics) they normally give me the appointment that same day or the day after. PS: Total bill 0€, antibiotics and antiinflamatory with copay, never above 10€
@@Lomhow People (Americans) always criticize countries with any form of universal healthcare by saying things like "tHe WaItTiMeS tHoUgH". This dude got in the day of or the day after. Meanwhile, my pure American blooded cousin found a lump on her breast, made an appointment with her GP as soon as he could see her (more than a week after), then he sent her to a specialist (which took a MONTH to see) who ordered xrays and scans (another several weeks of waiting for those appointments) then it took weeks for the specialist to relay the results to her GP. Afterwards, she was sent for a biopsy (shockingly only took a few days) and she got the results a week after that (benign fatty lump). Months of stress and several thousand dollars down the drain.
Sick days.... omg I thought it was no sick days in 4 years. But ive actually had no sick days or vacation in 6 years. I also work 6 days a week. 6 hour days are my "days off" Lol
You’ll be called a commie or a socialist for saying people shouldn’t die nowadays. Idk when people became so heartless, but I guess having one makes you a communist now.
To them, the concept of “Pursuit of Happiness” really means «The Pursuit of our Happiness and Poor People, Women, And Other Disenfranchised Peoples’s Absolute F*cking Misery».
I had someone say that if you work 8 hours you should be paid for 7 and your lunch break shouldn't count because "why would they pay you for not working" Americans are never escaping the shackles.
@wasabilover1293 hm lunch breaks are usually not paid here in Belgium. But 30 mins lunch break is mandatory so with 8 hours a day you have to work 9 til 5.30 to get paid 8 hours. We usually have a 38 hour week or when 40 hours you get one vacation day per month extra
I stumbled into my (low pay) cashier job sick as a dog for 3 days in a row because of you call out you get a point and 5 points and you’re fired. I was so sick I could barely stand and they didn’t care
You need a doctors note to call in sick in France? That's wild. Here in The Netherlands we just call in that we're sick and that's that. Your work might call you the next day to ask how you're doing and when you're projected to be better. If you're sick for an extended period of time, they will request you see a company doctor, which is free. Also, your salary will be paid in full for the duration of your illness.
I am so grateful to be born in France 🥰🥰🥰 a friend of mine had severe depression and was on sick days for two years. She feels better now. She actually found out her job was making it worse. She quitted right after she got better.
6 days in the company where I work in Serbia. It was unlimited until some jerks decided to play smart and prolong weekends. They're fired because they're obviously lazy and idiots. The CEO and CTO sent us an email with a notice about only 6 sick days per year. Sick days are not sick leave. They exist in case of having a headache, soreness, a little bit higher temperature or anything else that can last for a day. For sick leave, you need to go to the doctors for a note in three days. If you get sick during weekends,or on Friday after work, you take a note from Monday. There's no need to call it on days you're off anyway.
Reminds me of having to call in sick and being thankful my voice sounded just as sick as my system was. Not all US workplaces are like this, thankfully. But this issue is very real, and often is found in places where the minimal staff are over worked. Makes for bad morale for the whole team, and causes tension because of exhaustion.
It was raised to 26.5€ (as a base rate. Doctors make their own rates but the base rate considered by the Assurance Maladie (social security) is followed by most generalists), but in essence, yes. You pay 26.5, get 17.55 back (it can take a while for efficiency purposes. They avoid making 5/10 small payments and will let it build up before sending everything at once nowadays, but no later than 2 or three months after). The remaining 8.95 are usually paid back around the beginning of the next month by your mutuelle (private insurance complement).
@@ThePixel1983 They have a higher rate but still pay part of it themselves (they get 22.5 back, instead of 17.55) in Alsace-Moselle. I just gave the general framework you can expect, but a sizable part of doctors can use a tool called "tiers-payant", which means you don't pay, they are paid directly by the sécurité sociale and mutuelle. But they don't have to unless in very specific conditions (like if people fall under the CMU category, which is a special status for people of very small means where the sécurité sociale takes everything at 100%, no mutuelle involved, or people on ALD like myself (long-term affectation, things like chrnic cripplings diseases, cancer etc, with very expensive medications. And it's illegal to refuse tiers-payant to CMU or ALD people). Doctors tend to avoid it because it creates a colossal amount of paperwork which means in turn either going to bed at 3 am or paying someone to do it. At the end of the day it's still affordable (if you can't afford it you most likely fall under CMU conditions anyway). Edit: keep in mind this is for generalists and basic specialists like dentists or ophthalmologists. Other specialists tend to use Tiers-payant as a rule, they have the staff required since they tend to work in hospital settings. And even dentists have their work-arounds to help people, like asking for a cheque they don't cash until you get the money from securité sociale and mutuelle.
it depends if they use the the Secu card, it goes right in the system and you're payed back in less than one week. I never had to wai more than 2 weeks since 2022.
Hilariously enough, my grandma tried to take a personal day (the point is it's not a SICK day, it's a day for yourself) and when she told the truth about the reason her boss denied it and said she wouldn't get paid for it anyways. Skip a week later and she accidentally admitted to a coworker that she was sick but didn't want to actually say so because she didn't want to get denied again (for an ACTUAL SICK DAY, THIS TIME). In my experience as well, even working in FOOD SERVICE (arguably the second most important place to take sick days, first being medical work) your superiors will always be unwilling to let you take the sick day unless you literally cannot physically function. And you have to get proof of it, as well.
Jesus... Food service!!! In here, if your employer makes you work sick, that's already a law violation, but in food service they could very well close the next day! It's a major food safety violation, even your stomach hurting could be a sign of something that could spread to food.
Phbt haha. I've worked in food service before and been told to work while actively nauseous with a fever. That's why I rarely ever eat fast food or at restaurants. I know those employees are forced to work even if they're sick as a dog.
@@ghostkid252 had straight up diarrhea and vomiting one day. No matter how much you wash your hands and sanitize your work space, it’s not safe. But I didn’t have any sick days so.
I'm American, I feel very fortunate that after more than 20 years at my job I have more than 6 months of sick time banked. I rarely take more than 1 or 2 sick days a year. It's good to know I'll have that time when I take off 3 months for knee replacement surgery
I have about 3 hours of sick time left and I'm actually sick right now thing is I've always got sick easily so I kinda just have to deal with it unless it's to the point I can't even stand sometimes
American boss sounds exactly like the one who fired me. She just straight up made me work a whole shift just to tell me that I'm being fired for "not being able to keep up when we are busy" except there were like five customers the whole time!
How does it work for people with chronic illnesses? For example - I have migraines and endometriosis; migraines can come out of nowhere, and my endometriosis flares up during my period. Would a doctors note still be needed by French employers to prove I'm not feeling well? How does that work?
I don't know in France but in Belgium where we have pretty similar rules you can be sick for one day without doctors note. And 1-7 days sick is still 100% paid, 8-30 days sick you still receive 85,88% of your salary. After that you receive "ziekteuitkering" which is some sort of unemployment for sick people. That is about 65% of your salary for as long as you ar sick, even years. Also, companies are not allowed to fire someone because of sickness.
In France there are special rules for long terme afflictions. The main one being that all medical bills are 100% covered by sécurité sociale. You still need a doctor's note though. The way it works is that when you are too sick to work you go see a doctor (or get a home visit) who will prescribe a work leave lasting until an expected recovery date. If at that date you are still too sick to work, you have to see a doctor again to get a new leave. The reason for the mandatory doctors notes is that you get paid by social security and the employer. Usually places that don't require a doctor's note also don't pay you for your sick time or have a planned limited amount of payable days like in the US.
@@tanja3693 there are rules about it. Protections in place. But if you don’t have the time or money to pay for a lawsuit, then good luck. Bosses here don’t have to give a reason for firing - they can fire you any time and you can quit any time, so I guess that’s the price to pay. It’s hard to prove they’re actually firing you for a disability.
@@MitsumiUSBMouse I'm so sorry to hear that. I really hope the people in your country fighting for better worker laws and circumstances will win that battle sooner than later
@@tanja3693 there are things people can do at least! Ways to fight back if you can’t spare time or money. If you are aware of how things work, if you know to ask your boss why they’re firing you, keep emails, stuff like that, it can help. It can provide proof that they’re going against the protections for disabled people. You aren’t in the US, but for other disabled people who work in the US, keep notes. Anything and everything. Text messages, emails, doctor’s notes, receipts for medications, recordings of calls. Everything. Keep spares of everything handy on a flash drive just in case something happens to your computer. If it doesn’t seem important, keep it anyway. If you have clear proof, lots of documentation, then lawyers will eat that shit up. It means a big payday. You’ll be more likely to find someone who will help. Maybe this advice will help someone. Maybe not. It’s here if anyone needs it.
Not all u.s employers are like this though. We’ve had someone call out 10 minutes before shift because her butt hurt, never got written up or even talked to about it.
Honestly I don't believe you, and based on your username you really sound like a karen who would lie about some shit like that just so you could bitch online 😂
I’m so scared for when I enter the work force because I have both a chronic illness that keeps me from even getting out of bed some days, and a weakened immune system so I get sick very easily :/
I've been in the US work force for 36 years and never once acquired or been asked for a doctor's note. Never even heard of such a thing. Oh and if they are upset you're out sick, they're not going to fire you because they need you - it's when they _don't care_ whether you come in or not that you're on the ropes.
Thing is you went into the work force when it wasn’t as common it is becoming way more common now a days and specific companies have different requirements and even different states have different opinions. For example California versus Texas have 2 very different ways of viewing sick employees
Yeah that's nice. You started 36 years ago. Back when they still handed out rejection letters. They don't even do that anymore. Times have changed. It's been a quarter of a century.
@@twbillionare9568 _"For example California versus Texas have 2 very different ways of viewing sick employees"_ Yeah so do France and Slovakia. What's your point? The USA is not one country - it is 50 states.
I remember years ago I was in the hospital with a high fever, nausea, vomiting and it was pneumonia, and HR and my boss called several times to ask questions . I hit the ceiling although I was sick as dog. I quit that job. I know how America is with all of this. It's horrible. I've lived in several countries in Europe, European companies want you to stay home and get well. They don't want you to come to work and spread your germs. And yes, these are realistic conversations. You get sick in many European countries, you have affordable options. But Healthcare in the US is the worst. Sick or well, American companies want you in that office no matter what. It's the American way.
I was so lucky to once had the sweetest manager that would even call & tell me I didn't have to come in because the weather was bad & she knew I had to take the bus across the city. Probably never have another one like her again. (I actually still shop there & got her chocolate for mother's day 😊)
In the netherlands if you say you are sick companies are required to take your word for it, the only thing bosses can do is send a so called company doctor to you if you are sick for like 1-2 whole weeks or if you call in sick very often
My sick days and vacation days are the same thing at my work. Missing days even when they are in the window of my sick or vacation days can result in termination.
In France, if you get sick before the start of your scheduled vacation into your vacation, you get your vacation days back and will be able to reschedule them ^^
@@Ekitchi0 I miss days all the time and still get paid. I also miss days when my kids are sick and still get paid. No doctors note for either. American work is not so bad, just find a good company
I'm in the US and since Covid happened no one at my workplace gives us any crap about taking sick time when we're sick. Now the rule is to stay home if you're sick because the rest of us don't want to catch it.
I'm in Canada and the company I worked for last year only gives 3 paid sick days. Needed more than 2 sick days over the year and had to dip into my vacation days. Only ended up getting 4 days of vacation days at the end of the year. Didn't need a doctor's note though.
American here....Im in my first job were they actually encourage you to stay home or take half days if your not feeling well. I nearly cried bc in my 10yrs of work experience, Ive never felt so care for. It actually made me want to work harder. I took one day off my first retail job bc I had a swim meet in high school and was only part time. They wrote me up and made me clean dog piss off the aisle floors with nothing but a spray bottle and a roll of paper towels. Deadass Meanwhile, in my current job, I got sick and went into work and my manager said "oh poor honey, let me know if you need to go home. Only if you want" I stayed a few hours and went home, no fuss.
They also expect you to give them at least 2 weeks of notice before taking a day off, because you can actually just set a timer on your immune system so you dont get sick before then
In the state I live in in the US, last month, we had a man that worked in custodial services at a local elementary school. He asked for time off because he was struggling with his mental health. After the time alloted, he said he wasn't ready to come back and needed just a little more time. Please note that he had been treated at a psychiatric hospital and they were starting new medications for him and everything during all of this. The school system told him that he would either have to come back to work or lose his job. He came back to work, and went to his vehicle in the elementary school parking lot during his lunch, and shot himself. While school was in session. How heartbreaking and awful!!! I think the way things like this are handled in the US, is so broken. It's sick that this man felt pushed to do this. He was very clearly asking for help, giving them the proof they asked for, and they still pushed back. It's disgraceful!!! I could go on forever with stories comparable, and that wouldn't even begin to touch the way women who have given birth and their families are treated here in the work system.
For most New Zealand workplaces, a doctor's note is only required if you're sick for more than two consecutive days. Sick leave is limited, but we did have a special separate leave for those who contracted Covid.
I work in the NHS in England and we have limited sick leaves depending on the length of your service, the minimum is 1 month of full payment + 1 month of half payment.
Minnesota recently passed a law requiring 1.3 hours of PTO per 40 hours worked. Also passed is 12 weeks paid maternity and/or severe illness, up to a cumulative 20 weeks per year.
Once I called work to tell them. I couldn't come in and that I was following the ambulance that had my daughter in it. The manager grabbed the phone and started yelling at me that 2 other people called out and I had to come in or I was fired. I was so angry I started screaming at her that my 1 and a half year old was just blue in her car seat and stopped BREATHING!!!! She had an asthma attack that was triggered by a bad chest cold. 2 days later, the same manager wanted me to leave the hospital to come to work!! (She was in the hospital for 5 days!!) Needless to say she got fired
The only place I know of that beats the US is Korea on sick days. Depending on your job, they want 24 hours notice so they can hire a temp worker. They will take the temp's pay out of your pay (usually the temp makes less but they take the entire day's pay) BUT in my experience, they just make my manager or co-worker cover for me. But they don't make any extra and I still lose money. Pre-covid, I'd just show up to work sick AF and wear a mask and basically desk warm the entire day. I've been remote and freelancing the past few years so less of an issue. At least if I need to go to the Dr, it is less than $5 (not reimbursed)
Substitute teacher. Used 2 sickdays (not consecutive). Had HR asking me what was wrong and refused to pay me the third. I sent a photo of my foot swollen with cellulitis, I couldn't not walk even to the restroom for 3 days. I nearly dragged myself. Told them I went to the urgent care and the ER. .
I used to live in Switzerland for a while and up to 3 days you didn't have to bring a note from a doctor. if you were sick for longer, than you have to go check with doctor and bring a note. how smart it is. in most cases, with good rest, 3 days can be enough to feel better.
Don’t need a doctor’s note anywhere in NL. Doctors will refuse to give them as they don’t give medical updates about you to anyone else. You just call in and tell your boss you’re ill and when you hope to be back.
In France, the doctor's note is actually an official form on which the only information provided to the employer are the work leave dates. No medical info.
Omg as a person who has asthma and allergies I only had 10 vacation & 5 sick days in Corporate America. I went to work with bronchitis and pneumonia so many times. It was a blessing when my boss told me to go home because my coworkers were complaining about my cough. Thank God. How ridiculous.
american rules piss me tf off "Your out of sickdays" YOU WANT ME TO FUCKING CHOOSE WHEN IM SICK?
No. They just stop paying you if you're sick too often.
@cisium1184 Usually, for minimum wage or "unskilled labor" job, the sick days are always unpaid. Idk where y'all are at to get paid sick days.
Well because theres some people use there sick day even thou there not sick
@@BeresunablleAh yes, the best reason to deny humans the right to be biological animals who inevitably get sick and cannot work: some people are *gasp* not actually sick when they say they are
@@MuchToDoAboutNowt lol what? Did you even understand what i said? Some people are using there sick leave because thier days they that felt just lazy. So when there really sick and need the sick leave there nothing left. To you understand now
I'm on my last sick day in the US. Wish me luck tomorrow for when Ihave to work
See if you qualify for FMLA
Wow that's so real
Consider moving to Europe
I feel you. I've never had a sick day in...like 5 -6 years.
I actually worked all through covid while every employee decided to go home and collect CERB.
I never got covid...still havent. No one i know had covid in a serious way.
Thankfully I don't live in a highly populated city.
This is really insane! I really hope you feel better soon!
God...why do we Americans take this kind of BS??? We're treated like dog poo by employers and expected to be appreciative of these minor graces they give us.
Land of the free
because the thing the US lack is something many Americans laugh about, its socialism and communism which brought France workers laws, its liberalism which is doing its best to get rid of them and prevent the people from rising up against their benefits ^^
Mind you im neither socialist or the more extreme alternative, but the red scare during the cold war pretty much destroyed all of your hopes at proper Worker's protection laws and since protesting for them got you punished your culture adapted to one that shuts up more often than not when it comes to such issue
Freeeeedom! Just not yours.
What do you expect of the people who were literally building this country on slave labor. It takes alot to shift them from ‘I deserve to use you as I wish!’ To ‘my employees are independent people with families and not a extension of myself or my business’
because american’s minds are poisoned against unions and having a generally better life
The Doctor's Note requirements vary *widely* by employers.
Granted, so do whether or not they even offer sick days.
"Offer sick days" sounds like a line from a dystopian novel
@@kattharsismicI worked in health care with seniors, was never offered any sick days and in 5 years working part time, just 5hr/wk under the full time cutoff, I accrued 6 vacation hours total.
@@Eatemup421 definitely dystopian. I'm sorry you have to put up with that.
Most places require a note if you miss two or more consecutive days of work
I've never been offered sick days. It's always been a "guess you're using your pto today. Better hope you're better by tomorrow bc you can only have 1 'emergency' pro day"
I had bronchitis, my boss still made me come in, came in looking like shit, and got through 6 clients till my boss finally told me, "I guess you can go home." Btw if you see someone working while sick, tell their managers to let them go home. That's the only reason I was allowed to go home.
I had food poisoning and still had to come in to work. I was so cold and wearing a coat in the summer. It was absolutely horrible.
Sounds like a slavelife.....
@@spiderlady7256employees wish they could enslave you
No for real! I’ve had problems with my teeth forever and one day I woke up with the entire side of my face bruised and swollen; it looked like someone had landed a haymaker on the left side of my face. I called and told them what was happening but they said to come in anyway since I didn’t have the sick time. I went in and the managers seemed fine with it. It was excruciatingly painful AND my speech was slurred. Finally, after about two and a half hours my manager told me that the customers were complaining and that I had to leave, and the managers were PISSED about it.
I did this 2 months ago. I was remotely 1on1 training an agent, and she kept going on mute for a noticeable amount of time and would take a while to answer my questions, but wouldn't tell me why. So I decided to build rapport by not talking about work and making jokes, etc. After she laughed a really bad coughing fit came through and she started to sob while coughing, and frantically explaining herself as if I caught her. That's when she told me she was recently diagnosed with Covid and more by her doctor, but was too scared to take time off in fear of getting fired because she hasn't accumulated sick time yet.
I immediately contacted upper-management, and made sure she had the time she needs to get better. After two months, I saw her back at work. We're both female and live in the US by the way.
Don't even need a doctor's note in my company in the UK
I'm also British and was thinking it sounds like a hassle to get one every single time you've got a bad cold or a sick bug. No point clogging up the GP with people who just need to stay home for a day or two.
Yeah. Only for sickness that’s more than 7 days 😅
Most of the time if something drastic hasn't happened the NHS will only consider taking your symptoms seriously if you've had them for 2-3 weeks! A doctors note from 1 day of feeling ill would be impossible to get!
My thoughts exactly! But at least it'd just be a waste of time not of money
Yeah that’s cuz we’re the best lol
Work culture in the US should be considered inhumane at this point but here we are
Agreed 😢 we all deserve better. There are many good American people!!
You must have a terrible job.
Learn some useful skills to get a better job.
Ikr. It really is laughable how some Americans feel blessed working in America and criticizing labor in asian countries while American labor laws and rules are really just as bad. Especially for pregnant women and new mothers.
In Sweden you don't need a note even for the first 5 days. The most common sicknesses like a cold, the doctor don't want you come in either.
5 days? Man I'm jealous, it's just 2 days in Germany.
@@87axalin Serbia 3 days until you need the doctor's approval.
2 in Norway as well
In Costa Rica is 3 days
It's after 7 days. 😊
We have it the other way round: the employee is protected. If I'm sick, it's the doctor's decision, not my employer's, so if I go on paid sick leave, the employer has to take note of it and can't fire me in the meantime! And they can't fire me for being sick. And the medical check-up is free, but you don't even have to go in, just an email saying you've got a cold. They don't think I'm lying, they don't treat me like a child.
Damn. I'm jealous.
What's your job? Asking for a friend (it's me, I'm the friend)
Yeah but if you have the flu or a cold your doctor isn't gonna give you paid sick leave for that. Plus at most places you have to be with a company for a minimum of a year or two for them to even allow you to take leave
@@brittanyrearick414Stop making up crap.
First off, doctors will give you a note for everything, including mental distress and sickness you can't "prove" like headache.
Second off, there is no "unpaid sick leave". If you stay away for 3 days or longer without prove that you are sick, you will eventually get fired, but you will absolutely be paid until then.
Why are you spreading lies, ate you so embarrassed of the States? Yeah I would be, too. Sucks to be you. Now do something against it.
Why do you think just because you’re sick you don’t have to come into work and you still get paid?
I’m in the US, and I feel so lucky that I have such an understanding boss. I’ve had to miss 6 weeks of work over the past 2 months due to being sick.
How shocking is it that it requires luck and understanding to be able to take care of ourselves (and protect others from our germs, if we're contagious)...and that we have to be grateful for the privilege?
Also shocking: that generation after generation, we not only accept this, but resist any effort to change the laws so as to afford us the protection taken for granted in so many other countries?
@@Alice-xy3fi oh no we're fighting. It's just being overshadowed by meaningless shit
@Alice-xy3fi So long as politicians who are barely a few steps away from death or who are deep inside corporate pockets are still in office, then nothing's going to change
that is really lucky. i have chronic illness and have never been able to keep a job bc of it
Is it a small business? I doubt it’s corporate cuz no ma’am you better show up after your wake 😂
When you're European, its always the AC that gets you sick. 😂😂
well, yes, we are not accustomed to it so it messes us up. Traveling around I always get sick from AC within the first week, after that I canlive in AC world until I go back home for more than 3 months 😂 then I lose my hard won immunity
@@ringsaphire 😂😂
No but seriously, some bacterias develop in the AC if not properly cleaned, it's not the change of temperature
@@nanalamystique yes, scientifically speaking but mom-lore says that if you go out with your hair wet you will catch your death 😂
Last time i was near AC for 2 minutes .... lost my voice for 3 months :|
Welcome to the United States of America, where slavery is outlawed, wink, wink.
Even legally it's not outlawed. It's only restricted. The 13th amendment still clearly admits it's perfectly legal as long as it's punishment for those convicted of a crime.
Just misusing people and never ever investing in them.
@@viktoriavandermeulen5509 This is true, unfortunately.
*cough* * cough* prison labor! *cough*
Slaves don't get paid or get paid very little. Be proud to live in such a advanced country where freedom is a right, not a privilege.
The doctors note thing is always weird for a cold or flu. Like… if you don’t have a car and you’re sick and you need 3 days advance to get a Medicaid cab why would you go to the doctor to get a note to prove you have a cold like they can’t cure you?
In the Netherlands doctors are not even allowed to give out that information. For certain visa's you need doctors approval for traveling and it can be a nightmare to get them to sign the form. We have very strict privacy laws regarding patiences
Agreed. Even if you do have a car you might not be able to safely drive if you're sick. It's a waste of a doctor's time, and just spreads the illness further. Also you should be home recovering, extending yourself unnecessarily can just make you sick longer.
You'd be told "if its just a cold, take some Tylenol and get your butt in to work."
A flu is a serious illness, that can take up to two weeks.
I’m in Germany and here your doctor comes to visit you when are not able to visit them (all at no cost at point of service). But here the concept of „sick days“ is also incomprehensible, when you are ill, you are ill. Your boss can ask for a doctors note after 0 days or a couple of days as proof that you are unable to work (and up to six weeks or so - with one diagnosis - it’s all fully paid, later it’s less, but still paid)
Not to spread infection, I guess... 🤔
If the boss or HR sees you working sick, he/she makes you go to the doctor. Not to suffer there, like there's no tomorrow if you're absent!
In Australia:
Doctors note can be obtained from a local pharmacy/ chemist. Costs AUD$10 sometimes. Very helpful for University or work but lol yeah we don’t tend to punish people for not spreading their germs.
Did we not learn anything from COVID?
Yeah, people don’t believe covid was actually bad. They can’t comprehend we lost a large chunk of the population, and they don’t believe we needed to be as careful as we were. America, home of the 50% graduation rates
@@sherlogic1256I think the WHO recorded worldwide about 6Million deaths to Covid.
Thats less than 1/10 of the world population. So, its not as bad what we had in the 20th century.
Buts its still disgusting when people spread their germs.
We ask our doctors for a note by video we don't need to go there or to go to a pharmacy while being sick
Many managers and corporations in the US learned nothing from COVID, and probably learned they can further abuse employees by making them work from home when they should rest.
@@rawxaneAustralia has Telehealth as well which can provide electronic copies of medical certificates. These online consultations aren’t strictly doctors either. They can be pharmacists and chemists as well.
Additionally, if you have to undergo treatment at a certain facility, the receptionists can provide a certificate of attendance which is also accepted by employers as proof of
I have lived in three countries with national health care that is not tied to one's employment: Japan, France, and Colombia. These conversations are realistic. Think of it, Colombia, South America is ranked better than the United States for the distribution of health care.
Apparently, the USA sucks really bad. Why are millions of illegal immigrants invading a country that sucks so bad?
yeah in brazil the majority of it is absolutely free
it isnt the best, but hey, atleast you dont have to pay to recover from a broken arm
I was literally in a car accident two weeks ago and I had my mom call my boss since I was still with the doctors and my boss was mad. “Honey I don’t have coverage for you”. My mom said “ not her problem my child is literally in a hospital bed after being in an accident. Isn’t it your job as the boss to find coverage?” She called me later that evening to apologize. It’s all good I’m relocating and I have a much better job.
Can’t believe this is the American work force.
I’ve never understood the limit on “sick days” it’s not like germs are gonna say “oh she doesn’t have anymore sick days left… looks like I can’t go to her” like I’m still gonna get sick and I should be able to stay home if my immune system is down
The idea is like, most people aren't gonna be sick every single day of the year, or even a majority of the year, so if you take more sickdays than allotted you're "lying to get out of work" rather than actually sick.
@@Sheridan2LT I get that…I think there should be a limit on unexcused sick days, so after a certain amount of sick days you need a doctor’s note
@@PREPPY_GOOFBALLI believe some countries do that
@@hana_anah9036 it would work… if doctors weren’t so expensive here. I’d go off, but I’m sure you’ve heard this before.
Legally if your work asks for a sick note THEY have to pay for it
Is that in America? Because I’m using that if it is
Yes please elaborate!!:)
If you're the one paying for your health insurance, and not on a plan offered through your workplace, then I can def understand telling them to get over it if you're out for a day (or even two).
In my work/union manual, the policy is that you are requested to have a doctor's note if you're out for more than three consecutive days at a time. However, I have had a job ask me to bring in a note when I was out for one day.
I've 'forgotten' before, but my answer has also been to reiterate the above - that unless they're going to pay for that doctors visit instead of letting me stay home and rest, to keep it off the table.
I have gone to work sick multiple times because i simply could not afford a doctor or to lose a day of work. It is not safe for anyone. My old job i was at my station and my throat closed. I started bleeding from my nose and my face turned purple. I passed out and woke up with water splashed on my face. I drank hot water and my boss sent me home. I tried coming back to work the next day but was stopped at the door and told i needed a doctor's note for the previous day or i wasnt allowed back in the building. I doctor's note for me being sent home from a huge episode my boss saw with their own eyes. I told him it would be easier and more affordable for me to find a new job than it would be for me to go to the doctor. He said he still needed a doctor's note. I had 2 days off to recover and started my new job immediately. I still dont know if i was fired or if i quit.
You should speak to a labor lawyer bro that's probably illegal
@Lomhow oh I have a few previous employers that have broken many laws. I could sue a bunch of them. The only issue is that after I sue, I know I more than likely not get another job for a while. If I sue, I need to know I will make enough money to support me and my family for a long time before I can get a job in a new field. New employers don't like to hire whistle blowers. And the employer mentioned above wasn't even the worst one!
@@chb5628dude thank you for mentioning this, there are so many circumstances that warrant legal intervention but would be a financial detriment to the victim. like ofc i should sue...but i cant afford to😫
My French MIL was diagnosed with breast cancer. Whenever she had to go to her appointments my FIL was given time off to accompany her at her appointments. He was also given an additional 3 days paid time off to take care of her after chemo appointments.
I worked in healthcare with seniors for 5 years, and in that I worked 25 hours a week, just under the 30 hr full time cutoff. I was offered no sick days, and in the whole five years I accrued 6 paid vacation HOURS total.
I hear you!!
😢
That sounds like slavery without extra steps. Just like regular slavery.
Hours? Like - 6h? 🤔 Why you schooled yourself for years?
27 days paid vaccation in Germany and it is the law
Also in America, you break your arm, get a full cast and everything, then you ask the doctor for a doctors note because you work a manual labor job, and the doc say "well you still have one good are, so you'll be fine. No note for you."
I’d have a hard time not asking that doctor to tie one hand behind his back and do his work for the rest of the day.
As a teacher, I used all my sick days, because of different situations I've had this year. I knew I had some dental problems, also, and was waiting to get them taken care of during summer. Well, one of my teeth decided to kill me now. I had to take one day off without pay, so far. I'm having an extraction on Monday. I hope I can go to work on Tuesday.
Pamper yourself after the extraction so you will recover quickly & be able to go to work on Tuesday.
Not getting the proper amount of time needed to heal might have serious consequences for your health. I'm so sorry you have to go through that kind of abuse. I hope you can vote for someone this year who will finally change those things
I have an autoimmune disorder (im protected by the ADA bc im immuno-compromised bc of it) so im sick often. I tell any job i apply to any and all warnings that could apply due to my disabilities, and they always say "oh it's no problem, i appreciate your work ethic and your honesty" then after i use my sick days and need more, they built me into quitting except my last job that outright fired me. Their reason: i called out sick too much. I called out twice and brought a doctor's note along with any notes the doctor took, the receipt, the tests done, and prescriptions. It was the best I've done health wise in a really long time, i was only there 90 days for my "trial period" but man. I told them they're admitting to firing me for my disabilities (they listed a couple other things that i told them were possible due to my disabilities) and they said FMLA doesn't count since i hadn't been there long enough but the ADA is different and applies all the time. They kept rolling their eyes and wouldn't show me documentation they said they had. I loved that job, but if there were budget cuts they needed to make, just say that, bc i struggled with guilt and shame for my disabilities and pushed myself too the point i would injure myself, i would come into work sick and wear a mask, i couldn't risk losing another job bc im disabled. It really messed me up but i didn't have evidence to sue. I wanted to so bad. The American system as a whole is screwed
Talk to a lawyer about what proof you need. Your body with its disability is all the proof you need of the possibility of being issues, and they can’t tell the court they forgot why they fired you.
That's so awful, I have a disability myself so I know what those fears are like.
There’s a long way ahead for companies, governments to provide ppl with disabilities (I’m myself one) with the same rights and opportunities than everyone else.
I live in Europe and the country that I live in proud themselves to be all about equality but it seems that only applies to sex gender equality.
Companies here when they know about my disability, whether they don’t call me back or wants to pay me way less than I made before I became disable.
So it’s not only in America but most of the world, need to work on equality for disable and choric conditions people.
this mentality trickles down to peoples kids too. can’t tell you how many times my mother has screamed at me for getting sick & having to miss school. It’s not fun being sick all night/early morning while also dealing with the anxiety of your mother’s reaction & feeling like you’ve done something wrong that deserves punishment.
Sending love to all the sick americans out there. Hopefully your policies will change in a foreseeable future. ❤💪🇸🇪
Probably nothing will change, because politicians told them that they live in the best country in the world. The land of the free! Their children act like german children in the 1940s every morning in front of the flag in class.
Apparently, the USA sucks really bad. Why are millions of illegal immigrants invading a country that sucks so bad?
We appreciate your love and well wishes. I hope things change here too. Though, I suspect that it will be a while.
They won't change because Americans have to be the ones to change them but they're too complacent.
@@Mili-bedili Americans are too busy calling other Americans lazy for wanting more than 5 days off per year and 40 hour or less workweeks.
Having to provide a doctors note is insane for a one day absence. I live in a major city and many times the doctor cant see you if you don't actually have an appointment.
The doctor has to check you if you went there. What you said is inhumane. In Serbia, if you get there without an appointment, you'll be in the doctor's office after 3 patients with appointments. If your doctor can't check you, some of the other doctors have to take you between their patients. It's a law. Nobody can just send you home sick like you're healthy if you didn't guess that you'll be sick on that day!🤷
@@jecapeca Doctors in the US have private practices, they can refuse service to whoever for any reason. Not having an appointment is a valid reason for a GP to say "nope".
However, clinics and emergency rooms have to see you. They are very expensive though.
I called out of work with flu like symptoms a few months ago, they told me to get a covid test done by a doctor. Went to a clinic and they wanted $200 for the test alone. Not even including the actual fees ☠️ I refused lmao.
Well, in France, we have the same problem: in some areas, you have to wait THREE WEEKS to get an appointment, so people go to work sick. And since the French can be the worst assholes in the world, of course they go to work without any mask on, not washing their hands, so they can spread their germs everywhere. It's worst in schools, parents send their sick children but then complain when the teacher is absent because he caught their own child's illness! During COVID, it was a nightmare, some teachers got it multiple times and nothing was done to force the parents to be responsible. For the government, the important thing was getting the parents to work. Putting teachers' health at risk was a detail.
I've been sick the last few days. I slept 20 hours a day. I couldn't help thinking of all the times i went to work anyway mostly because if i didn't my coworkers would have been screwed because everywhere I've worked was always understaffed. Nevermind that i probably got them sick. That wasn't a thing most employers considered years ago. I don't have a job like that anymore but i still feel guilty and like i was just being lazy. Despite my fever body aches and fatigue. It's just so hammered in to us you have to work or you better be actually dying, especially gen x and boomers. 😭
I got fired for being pregnant and the government couldn't do anything because the job claimed that after you use all your sick days you are self terminating so it was listed as me quitting. Rejected for unemployment. the US sucks.
Apparently, the USA sucks really bad. Why are millions of illegal immigrants invading a country that sucks so bad?
I can feel you. The system sucks. I hope you will get a better job
Wow, in France pregnancy is protected. It's illegal to fire a pregnant women unless she purposely tried to hurt the company (intent has to be proven). The protection starts 15 days before she informs the company of her pregnancy.
And during her maternity leave (starting 10 weeks before due date and ending 6 weeks after giving birth) it's totally illegal to fire her for any reason. It will have to wait until she comes back to work, and of course, having had a pregnancy is not a legal reason to fire and would lead to some serious financial compensation.
wtf??? that is so evil that you would have to use sick days to deal with pregnancy? that is so backwards and stupid
My sister sued and won bc of this, could you try to sue? It’s not legal
Having to go out to get a DR note is the opposite of getting rest. When I’m sick I want to be in bed, not spending hours driving to, in the waiting room of, and seeing the DR.
Legit, this is true: the minute you call a boss to say you're WAY too sick you can hear them getting cool, guilting you into coming in, telling you to come in "later" when you feel better, or saying shit like "ok, I *guess* if that's what you *really* feel like you NEED to do..." (meaning they're going to be pissy later & don't believe you)
This is soo true! 😢 At my job, the vacation days and sick days are combined into my paid time off.
If I use up my PTO, there is no vacation time to use. And, just like your American "boss", my boss is so rude when I call in.
“The greatest country on earth” they say
Few actually say that. The ones that do either drew the long straw and have it good, are delusional - I don’t use this word lightly - or are straight up lying.
That's an actual nightmare 😱
‘Was it the air conditioning’ 💀💀💀
In the Netherlands you don't even need to bring a doctor's note, and your employer can't ask what kind of sickness you have
And after 6 weeks of sickness maximum you'll have to meet with a health and safety officer to determine or rule out if it's longterm sickness. In both cases you get paid during abscence.
My job doesn't even have sick days, we have PTO to cover sick, vacation, and personal days. They don't accept doctor's notes, either, and you can only have a certain number of unscheduled absences per rolling 12 months or else you get written up and then fired.
Lovely! 🫤
Kinda similar to the UK, if your attendance continues to fall below a certain percentage (determined by the company) over a 12 month period, you are escalated up the warning system, the end of which is being fired. Holidays are generous though, and mandatory.
@@Politely_Indifferent holidays are mandatory? Someone doesn’t have to work during to Holidays? There’s no drawing straws to see who has to work during Christmas and stuff?
@@MitsumiUSBMouse No, as in Paid Time-Off is mandatory. Everyone, regardless of where they work, is given a minimum number of paid vacation weeks each year by law. You have to be given them and have to be paid. Companies can choose when you have them though.
As in National Holidays it depends on your employer. If you work on a National Holiday you will usually be given an extra days paid vacation.
@@Politely_Indifferent wow. Mandatory paid time off. I wish I had the money to move somewhere better.
UK here! Only need sick note if off for more than 4 days. Unpaid the first 4, but from the 5th day "Statutory Sick Pay" kicks in. Though more and more companies are choosing to pay sick leave from day 1.
But how long does it take to get into a doctor with the NHS?
@@Lomhow I had a pneumothorax a month ago and I got intervened after waiting 5-10 minutes. Then I had 40 days work leave and got paid 75% of my normal wage for those days. I use a regional "branch" of Spanish NHS and if I tell them that I really need to see the doctor (I tend to get nose infections so I use to need antibiotics) they normally give me the appointment that same day or the day after.
PS: Total bill 0€, antibiotics and antiinflamatory with copay, never above 10€
@@Lomhow People (Americans) always criticize countries with any form of universal healthcare by saying things like "tHe WaItTiMeS tHoUgH".
This dude got in the day of or the day after. Meanwhile, my pure American blooded cousin found a lump on her breast, made an appointment with her GP as soon as he could see her (more than a week after), then he sent her to a specialist (which took a MONTH to see) who ordered xrays and scans (another several weeks of waiting for those appointments) then it took weeks for the specialist to relay the results to her GP. Afterwards, she was sent for a biopsy (shockingly only took a few days) and she got the results a week after that (benign fatty lump).
Months of stress and several thousand dollars down the drain.
Sick days.... omg
I thought it was no sick days in 4 years. But ive actually had no sick days or vacation in 6 years.
I also work 6 days a week.
6 hour days are my "days off"
Lol
Your life sounds like hell
Unbelievable. That's no life. I feel sorry for you.
I hope you’re enjoying whatever that’s paying for.
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whats even funnier is if you point this out to a conservative American, theyll call u a commie lmao
You’ll be called a commie or a socialist for saying people shouldn’t die nowadays. Idk when people became so heartless, but I guess having one makes you a communist now.
To them, the concept of “Pursuit of Happiness” really means «The Pursuit of our Happiness and Poor People, Women, And Other Disenfranchised Peoples’s Absolute F*cking Misery».
I had someone say that if you work 8 hours you should be paid for 7 and your lunch break shouldn't count because "why would they pay you for not working" Americans are never escaping the shackles.
@wasabilover1293 hm lunch breaks are usually not paid here in Belgium. But 30 mins lunch break is mandatory so with 8 hours a day you have to work 9 til 5.30 to get paid 8 hours. We usually have a 38 hour week or when 40 hours you get one vacation day per month extra
@@lizzypetite we get paid 8 hours like normal even tho we have two breaks one 30 one 20 minutes
“Do you think it was too much air conditioning?” She sounded like a French! 😂😂
I stumbled into my (low pay) cashier job sick as a dog for 3 days in a row because of you call out you get a point and 5 points and you’re fired. I was so sick I could barely stand and they didn’t care
Just go to work and be so sick that the customers threaten to leave or even sue unless you get sent home, and if you're fired you then have witnesses.
That country's social safety net is like a compassionate word and warm hug from your life-wise aunt or uncle, 😅
You need a doctors note to call in sick in France? That's wild. Here in The Netherlands we just call in that we're sick and that's that. Your work might call you the next day to ask how you're doing and when you're projected to be better. If you're sick for an extended period of time, they will request you see a company doctor, which is free. Also, your salary will be paid in full for the duration of your illness.
Can you be paid in full even without seeing a doctor? That seems ripe for abuse.
A lot of the time, if I’m healthy enough to go to a drs office I am healthy enough to go to work.
I am so grateful to be born in France 🥰🥰🥰 a friend of mine had severe depression and was on sick days for two years. She feels better now. She actually found out her job was making it worse. She quitted right after she got better.
the company i work for allows 3 sick days in the span of 1 YEAR. how tf do they get away with this🙄 (im in the US obviously)
6 days in the company where I work in Serbia. It was unlimited until some jerks decided to play smart and prolong weekends. They're fired because they're obviously lazy and idiots. The CEO and CTO sent us an email with a notice about only 6 sick days per year.
Sick days are not sick leave. They exist in case of having a headache, soreness, a little bit higher temperature or anything else that can last for a day. For sick leave, you need to go to the doctors for a note in three days. If you get sick during weekends,or on Friday after work, you take a note from Monday. There's no need to call it on days you're off anyway.
Its the same for school in America
Reminds me of having to call in sick and being thankful my voice sounded just as sick as my system was. Not all US workplaces are like this, thankfully. But this issue is very real, and often is found in places where the minimal staff are over worked. Makes for bad morale for the whole team, and causes tension because of exhaustion.
It was raised to 26.5€ (as a base rate. Doctors make their own rates but the base rate considered by the Assurance Maladie (social security) is followed by most generalists), but in essence, yes. You pay 26.5, get 17.55 back (it can take a while for efficiency purposes. They avoid making 5/10 small payments and will let it build up before sending everything at once nowadays, but no later than 2 or three months after). The remaining 8.95 are usually paid back around the beginning of the next month by your mutuelle (private insurance complement).
Meanwhile in Germany, you just show your health insurance card and that's it. I heard it's similar in Alsace?
@@ThePixel1983 They have a higher rate but still pay part of it themselves (they get 22.5 back, instead of 17.55) in Alsace-Moselle.
I just gave the general framework you can expect, but a sizable part of doctors can use a tool called "tiers-payant", which means you don't pay, they are paid directly by the sécurité sociale and mutuelle. But they don't have to unless in very specific conditions (like if people fall under the CMU category, which is a special status for people of very small means where the sécurité sociale takes everything at 100%, no mutuelle involved, or people on ALD like myself (long-term affectation, things like chrnic cripplings diseases, cancer etc, with very expensive medications. And it's illegal to refuse tiers-payant to CMU or ALD people).
Doctors tend to avoid it because it creates a colossal amount of paperwork which means in turn either going to bed at 3 am or paying someone to do it. At the end of the day it's still affordable (if you can't afford it you most likely fall under CMU conditions anyway).
Edit: keep in mind this is for generalists and basic specialists like dentists or ophthalmologists. Other specialists tend to use Tiers-payant as a rule, they have the staff required since they tend to work in hospital settings. And even dentists have their work-arounds to help people, like asking for a cheque they don't cash until you get the money from securité sociale and mutuelle.
it depends if they use the the Secu card, it goes right in the system and you're payed back in less than one week. I never had to wai more than 2 weeks since 2022.
Hilariously enough, my grandma tried to take a personal day (the point is it's not a SICK day, it's a day for yourself) and when she told the truth about the reason her boss denied it and said she wouldn't get paid for it anyways. Skip a week later and she accidentally admitted to a coworker that she was sick but didn't want to actually say so because she didn't want to get denied again (for an ACTUAL SICK DAY, THIS TIME). In my experience as well, even working in FOOD SERVICE (arguably the second most important place to take sick days, first being medical work) your superiors will always be unwilling to let you take the sick day unless you literally cannot physically function. And you have to get proof of it, as well.
Jesus... Food service!!! In here, if your employer makes you work sick, that's already a law violation, but in food service they could very well close the next day! It's a major food safety violation, even your stomach hurting could be a sign of something that could spread to food.
Phbt haha. I've worked in food service before and been told to work while actively nauseous with a fever. That's why I rarely ever eat fast food or at restaurants. I know those employees are forced to work even if they're sick as a dog.
@@ghostkid252 had straight up diarrhea and vomiting one day. No matter how much you wash your hands and sanitize your work space, it’s not safe. But I didn’t have any sick days so.
Companies covering doctor's notes is really nice since they are the ones demanding it. I hope to have that kind of practice in more places.
I'm American, I feel very fortunate that after more than 20 years at my job I have more than 6 months of sick time banked. I rarely take more than 1 or 2 sick days a year. It's good to know I'll have that time when I take off 3 months for knee replacement surgery
Good luck keeping that 6 months. Honestly, I hope you do. Never had knee surgery, but any surgery takes time to recover from.
I've never had to bring a doctor's note to work. Odd.
She does a really good job at pointing out how horrible the American work environment is
Apparently, the USA sucks really bad. Why are millions of illegal immigrants invading a country that sucks so bad? She should them to come to France.
I have about 3 hours of sick time left and I'm actually sick right now thing is I've always got sick easily so I kinda just have to deal with it unless it's to the point I can't even stand sometimes
Lol the air conditioning is our first suspect 😅
American boss sounds exactly like the one who fired me. She just straight up made me work a whole shift just to tell me that I'm being fired for "not being able to keep up when we are busy" except there were like five customers the whole time!
How does it work for people with chronic illnesses? For example - I have migraines and endometriosis; migraines can come out of nowhere, and my endometriosis flares up during my period. Would a doctors note still be needed by French employers to prove I'm not feeling well? How does that work?
I don't know in France but in Belgium where we have pretty similar rules you can be sick for one day without doctors note. And 1-7 days sick is still 100% paid, 8-30 days sick you still receive 85,88% of your salary. After that you receive "ziekteuitkering" which is some sort of unemployment for sick people. That is about 65% of your salary for as long as you ar sick, even years. Also, companies are not allowed to fire someone because of sickness.
In France there are special rules for long terme afflictions. The main one being that all medical bills are 100% covered by sécurité sociale.
You still need a doctor's note though. The way it works is that when you are too sick to work you go see a doctor (or get a home visit) who will prescribe a work leave lasting until an expected recovery date. If at that date you are still too sick to work, you have to see a doctor again to get a new leave.
The reason for the mandatory doctors notes is that you get paid by social security and the employer.
Usually places that don't require a doctor's note also don't pay you for your sick time or have a planned limited amount of payable days like in the US.
@@tanja3693 there are rules about it. Protections in place. But if you don’t have the time or money to pay for a lawsuit, then good luck. Bosses here don’t have to give a reason for firing - they can fire you any time and you can quit any time, so I guess that’s the price to pay. It’s hard to prove they’re actually firing you for a disability.
@@MitsumiUSBMouse I'm so sorry to hear that. I really hope the people in your country fighting for better worker laws and circumstances will win that battle sooner than later
@@tanja3693 there are things people can do at least! Ways to fight back if you can’t spare time or money. If you are aware of how things work, if you know to ask your boss why they’re firing you, keep emails, stuff like that, it can help. It can provide proof that they’re going against the protections for disabled people.
You aren’t in the US, but for other disabled people who work in the US, keep notes. Anything and everything. Text messages, emails, doctor’s notes, receipts for medications, recordings of calls. Everything. Keep spares of everything handy on a flash drive just in case something happens to your computer. If it doesn’t seem important, keep it anyway.
If you have clear proof, lots of documentation, then lawyers will eat that shit up. It means a big payday. You’ll be more likely to find someone who will help.
Maybe this advice will help someone. Maybe not. It’s here if anyone needs it.
Not all u.s employers are like this though. We’ve had someone call out 10 minutes before shift because her butt hurt, never got written up or even talked to about it.
Honestly I don't believe you, and based on your username you really sound like a karen who would lie about some shit like that just so you could bitch online 😂
Amazing videos! 👏🏼🙌🏼 can you make one about childcare?
I’ll add it to my list!
I’m so scared for when I enter the work force because I have both a chronic illness that keeps me from even getting out of bed some days, and a weakened immune system so I get sick very easily :/
I've been in the US work force for 36 years and never once acquired or been asked for a doctor's note. Never even heard of such a thing. Oh and if they are upset you're out sick, they're not going to fire you because they need you - it's when they _don't care_ whether you come in or not that you're on the ropes.
Still a f ed up system you have.
Thing is you went into the work force when it wasn’t as common it is becoming way more common now a days and specific companies have different requirements and even different states have different opinions. For example California versus Texas have 2 very different ways of viewing sick employees
Yeah that's nice. You started 36 years ago. Back when they still handed out rejection letters. They don't even do that anymore. Times have changed. It's been a quarter of a century.
@@twbillionare9568 _"For example California versus Texas have 2 very different ways of viewing sick employees"_
Yeah so do France and Slovakia. What's your point? The USA is not one country - it is 50 states.
Yeah, you don't need a note because they don't pay you the missed days ;)
Emergency room is free, just dont pay the bill when it comes 😅
That doesn't work. A friend was purchasing a new home. Need I say more? They ran her credit.
I work in healthcare and the facility I work for only allows us 3 sick days a year.
I remember years ago I was in the hospital with a high fever, nausea, vomiting and it was pneumonia, and HR and my boss called several times to ask questions . I hit the ceiling although I was sick as dog. I quit that job. I know how America is with all of this. It's horrible. I've lived in several countries in Europe, European companies want you to stay home and get well. They don't want you to come to work and spread your germs. And yes, these are realistic conversations. You get sick in many European countries, you have affordable options. But Healthcare in the US is the worst. Sick or well, American companies want you in that office no matter what. It's the American way.
I love watching these cause it reminds me that I have a good job and a good manager.
In Germany, you don't even need a doctor's note for up to three days of illness.
I was so lucky to once had the sweetest manager that would even call & tell me I didn't have to come in because the weather was bad & she knew I had to take the bus across the city. Probably never have another one like her again.
(I actually still shop there & got her chocolate for mother's day 😊)
You make France sound sooo amazing!
In the netherlands if you say you are sick companies are required to take your word for it, the only thing bosses can do is send a so called company doctor to you if you are sick for like 1-2 whole weeks or if you call in sick very often
My sick days and vacation days are the same thing at my work. Missing days even when they are in the window of my sick or vacation days can result in termination.
In France, if you get sick before the start of your scheduled vacation into your vacation, you get your vacation days back and will be able to reschedule them ^^
@@Ekitchi0 Yeah, France is really progressive when it comes to workers.
I can't even move and having to get a note for school was the worst.
I used up all my sick days getting around being denied days off for my birthday and other special events.
Ive never worked for a company that needed a doctors note, nor do I know anyone that needed one
I bet none of those companies paid you for the missed days though.
The need for the note usually comes when the missed days are still paid.
@@Ekitchi0 I miss days all the time and still get paid. I also miss days when my kids are sick and still get paid. No doctors note for either. American work is not so bad, just find a good company
I'm in the US and since Covid happened no one at my workplace gives us any crap about taking sick time when we're sick. Now the rule is to stay home if you're sick because the rest of us don't want to catch it.
I'm in Canada and the company I worked for last year only gives 3 paid sick days. Needed more than 2 sick days over the year and had to dip into my vacation days. Only ended up getting 4 days of vacation days at the end of the year. Didn't need a doctor's note though.
American here....Im in my first job were they actually encourage you to stay home or take half days if your not feeling well.
I nearly cried bc in my 10yrs of work experience, Ive never felt so care for. It actually made me want to work harder.
I took one day off my first retail job bc I had a swim meet in high school and was only part time.
They wrote me up and made me clean dog piss off the aisle floors with nothing but a spray bottle and a roll of paper towels. Deadass
Meanwhile, in my current job, I got sick and went into work and my manager said "oh poor honey, let me know if you need to go home. Only if you want"
I stayed a few hours and went home, no fuss.
They also expect you to give them at least 2 weeks of notice before taking a day off, because you can actually just set a timer on your immune system so you dont get sick before then
In the state I live in in the US, last month, we had a man that worked in custodial services at a local elementary school. He asked for time off because he was struggling with his mental health. After the time alloted, he said he wasn't ready to come back and needed just a little more time. Please note that he had been treated at a psychiatric hospital and they were starting new medications for him and everything during all of this. The school system told him that he would either have to come back to work or lose his job. He came back to work, and went to his vehicle in the elementary school parking lot during his lunch, and shot himself. While school was in session. How heartbreaking and awful!!! I think the way things like this are handled in the US, is so broken. It's sick that this man felt pushed to do this. He was very clearly asking for help, giving them the proof they asked for, and they still pushed back. It's disgraceful!!! I could go on forever with stories comparable, and that wouldn't even begin to touch the way women who have given birth and their families are treated here in the work system.
In Sweden, you can be sick without a doctor's note. You only need to provide one if you've been sick for 7 or more days.
Do you get paid for those missed days though?
It would be surprising that you would get paid and not need proof at the same time.
For most New Zealand workplaces, a doctor's note is only required if you're sick for more than two consecutive days. Sick leave is limited, but we did have a special separate leave for those who contracted Covid.
I work in the NHS in England and we have limited sick leaves depending on the length of your service, the minimum is 1 month of full payment + 1 month of half payment.
in germany most companies allow to be sick without a doctors note for up to 3 days, but getting a doctors note is completely free
Minnesota recently passed a law requiring 1.3 hours of PTO per 40 hours worked. Also passed is 12 weeks paid maternity and/or severe illness, up to a cumulative 20 weeks per year.
You totally nailed that skit .
That’s when you download one of the internet and forge your own
Forgery-Fraud!
i work for an american company in the UK, no such thing as sick days. if you're sick, you're sick. no hassle in getting some time off
Yeah, it’s been hard telling people that if our companies can survive in Europe then they’re full of shit here.
Once I called work to tell them. I couldn't come in and that I was following the ambulance that had my daughter in it. The manager grabbed the phone and started yelling at me that 2 other people called out and I had to come in or I was fired. I was so angry I started screaming at her that my 1 and a half year old was just blue in her car seat and stopped BREATHING!!!! She had an asthma attack that was triggered by a bad chest cold.
2 days later, the same manager wanted me to leave the hospital to come to work!! (She was in the hospital for 5 days!!) Needless to say she got fired
Fortunate to have a really good boss. She never questions when we’re sick.
The only place I know of that beats the US is Korea on sick days. Depending on your job, they want 24 hours notice so they can hire a temp worker. They will take the temp's pay out of your pay (usually the temp makes less but they take the entire day's pay) BUT in my experience, they just make my manager or co-worker cover for me. But they don't make any extra and I still lose money.
Pre-covid, I'd just show up to work sick AF and wear a mask and basically desk warm the entire day. I've been remote and freelancing the past few years so less of an issue. At least if I need to go to the Dr, it is less than $5 (not reimbursed)
In Germany the doctors note is free 🥰 and a lot of companies have a 3-day policy in which you can stay home and getting better without a doctor note.
"Make sure you wear your scarf" 😂
my favorite was when i worked with food and my manager still made me come in or be fired.
Substitute teacher. Used 2 sickdays (not consecutive). Had HR asking me what was wrong and refused to pay me the third. I sent a photo of my foot swollen with cellulitis, I couldn't not walk even to the restroom for 3 days. I nearly dragged myself. Told them I went to the urgent care and the ER.
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I used to live in Switzerland for a while and up to 3 days you didn't have to bring a note from a doctor. if you were sick for longer, than you have to go check with doctor and bring a note.
how smart it is. in most cases, with good rest, 3 days can be enough to feel better.
Don’t need a doctor’s note anywhere in NL. Doctors will refuse to give them as they don’t give medical updates about you to anyone else. You just call in and tell your boss you’re ill and when you hope to be back.
In France, the doctor's note is actually an official form on which the only information provided to the employer are the work leave dates. No medical info.
@@Ekitchi0 😅 in the Netherlands, a doctor’s note confirming you are ill is considered medical information. Big discussion.
Was sick last week . Called my boss . He said . Ok see you when you get well 😂
Omg as a person who has asthma and allergies I only had 10 vacation & 5 sick days in Corporate America. I went to work with bronchitis and pneumonia so many times. It was a blessing when my boss told me to go home because my coworkers were complaining about my cough. Thank God. How ridiculous.