Also, missing gears when downshifting is terrifying, whether it's a false neutral or simply going one down too many, especially when you got no slipper clutch...
I learned this after I broke my rear brake pedal. And could not use it I learned to use engine braking. Engine braking is much better then using the rear brake it gives you extra time. However there is a time when it’s needed. The rear brake is needed when you absolutely can’t possibly beat the person in front of you and they set pole position. Once you know the bike in front of you is faster you will need to brake later and faster and the rear brake will allow you to quickly take a better approach.
I just started watching these videos and they have been very helpful. first I have a geared sv1000. I did my first track day this summer and it was a blast but there was one corner I repeatedly had trouble with. it was a short strait into a sharp curve into a long straight. if i stayed in third I could make it around the corner good but id hit max rpm about a second or two before it was time to get on the brakes so id have to ease off witch just didn't feel right, if I went from third to fourth and back to third it would lock the back tire up and id slide through the turn no matter how slow id let the clutch out. if I went around the corner in 4th my engine would chug trying to come out of the turn. the only thing that I think of doing was too give it gas brake and let go of the clutch all at the same time like a heel/toe kind of thing but giving it gas with just my thumb and braking at the same time is really awkward for me.
@@keremoner3420 idk if that would make a difference, just learned to back it in supermoto style during those situations. I'm not a racer I just do it for fun so I guess it doesn't matter that much.
@@keremoner3420 I agree its always good to continue learning but at the same time I'm not super competitive I just like ripping it up and going fast. Even if it's a little slower than other people,
I am glad you said you don't use rear brake. I have had a 2004 zx10r for the track only and if i lost the rear brake lever i would not even notice. Is it just me or there is no real benefit in using the rear brake in "normal" riding?
rear brake is used for added braking when coming to a sudden stop on the street, by not using your rear youre choosing not to use 30% of your brakes. the rear brake also helps with slow speed maneuvring/stability
Rear brake is VERY useful for normal street riding. I use it just as much as the front brake. Check out high level Moto Gymkhana riders from Japan. They use lots of rear brake. Also, Police Motorcycle officers like Quinn Redeker use lots of rear brake. On a track at higher speeds is where many find the rear brake to be optional.
I’m pretty good at blipping the throttle when going down the gears, but cannot get the knack of doing this on the brakes, I have to do each task separately. I tried practicing on an empty road once, downshifted as I tried to blip the throttle I put more pressure on the brake and thought I was going over the bars 😂 Amazingly I stayed on, felt like a right twat.
Don't worry it's not unusual to struggle to get this perfected, Simon says he has clients that are fast but this is the one thing that it still a bit of a challenge. Keep persevering, you'll get there :-)
Tris Desnos .....i do it releasing the brake only the time it takes to gas the throttle to match rpm and back to closed throttle. Middle finger on brake, so if i downdhift 3 gears consecutively i will have done a natural ABS 😇, and matched the gear to do the corner. Anyways, i understand in the video that you do break vey hard aproaching the corner and release the breaks carry on breaking with the engine at the same time you chose the right gear to do the cornering. Anyone to discuss this with me please?
@@motovudu I hear about pre-loading shift lever while downshifting and upshifting too. I hear also opinion that this can damage gearbox. Do you use this method or not?
It’s because it’s not possible to threshold brake and autoblip at the same time. So, in order to get the most out of braking, you use the slipper method, if you don’t have a quickshifter.
Hello again. I cant stop listening this short videos again and again and again and again. Can anybody tell me what RPM would be the ideal for each gear as for engine breaking? And how much would be too much, or too little? I presume it should be at the begining of the high rpm? For example in my gsxr k6, 600cc 11000rpm would be the sweet spot. In theory. Havent tried yet
As I mentioned on another answer.. The faster you ride the more response you need on acceleration and deceleration. Either way smooth riding is important. Basically, as you increase your speed you will need to increase the rpm you use to get more assistance from acceleration and deceleration. There is no point screaming your bike in low gears while riding slowly, the bike will be jerky and to responsive, but as you increase your speed (entry and exit) you will need the help from the engine / a higher rpm. For example, I'll ride the slow corners in 2nd when I'm with a slower client, and the slow corners in 1st with the fast client.
When you're braking down a straight are you using the front brakes then blipping the throttle? if so this is difficult as you have to keep the brake constant whilst you blip the throttle to rev match which I dont even know if its possible (with a ride by cable throttle) (the much easier course of action would be to brake with your rear brake, downshift, rev match with right hand, then rinse and repeat).
The faster you ride the more response you need on acceleration and deceleration. Either way smooth riding is important. Normally the rear will only lock with maximum engine braking if you are braking very hard, or you are leaning over and are going down the gearbox roughly (especially if your bike is an earlier model that does not have a slipper clutch).
What's better blipping the thottle to down shift or slipping the clutch(with a slipper clutch) ? I been slipping it lately and found I can approached the corner with more speed because my finger has been already on the brake versus trying to blip the throttle
The ultimate is to do both. Blipping the throttle is important to match the RPM, but when braking at an angle smoothly releasing the clutch immediately after is the icing on the cake. It enables you to achieves the perfect down change without losing any rear grip. Actually, this is the difference between production and MotoGP Blipper's. Production bike Blipper's just blip the throttle, MotoGP systems use the clutch in combination with.
I personally have 3 fingers on front brake and the other halve of my palm keeping engine RPM up so I don't lock the rear I don't know anyone else who does it this way though . anyone else out there ?
I like how you note how many gears you go down rather than necessarily noting which gear you’re in👌 Great vids...
Also, missing gears when downshifting is terrifying, whether it's a false neutral or simply going one down too many, especially when you got no slipper clutch...
Brilliant button brake, good to hear about the option.
Thanks Simon, you're the best
I learned this after I broke my rear brake pedal. And could not use it I learned to use engine braking. Engine braking is much better then using the rear brake it gives you extra time. However there is a time when it’s needed. The rear brake is needed when you absolutely can’t possibly beat the person in front of you and they set pole position. Once you know the bike in front of you is faster you will need to brake later and faster and the rear brake will allow you to quickly take a better approach.
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Different motorcycles have diff engine brake effects for four strokes? Just curious coz they have different flywheels and crankshafts amd stuff
I just started watching these videos and they have been very helpful. first I have a geared sv1000. I did my first track day this summer and it was a blast but there was one corner I repeatedly had trouble with. it was a short strait into a sharp curve into a long straight. if i stayed in third I could make it around the corner good but id hit max rpm about a second or two before it was time to get on the brakes so id have to ease off witch just didn't feel right, if I went from third to fourth and back to third it would lock the back tire up and id slide through the turn no matter how slow id let the clutch out. if I went around the corner in 4th my engine would chug trying to come out of the turn. the only thing that I think of doing was too give it gas brake and let go of the clutch all at the same time like a heel/toe kind of thing but giving it gas with just my thumb and braking at the same time is really awkward for me.
Follow a different line maybe
@@keremoner3420 idk if that would make a difference, just learned to back it in supermoto style during those situations. I'm not a racer I just do it for fun so I guess it doesn't matter that much.
@@atomiclizzard288 working for the best lap time should always be fun I think
@@keremoner3420 I agree its always good to continue learning but at the same time I'm not super competitive I just like ripping it up and going fast. Even if it's a little slower than other people,
How make rev matching? First clutch and throttle and next foot move?
My heart stopped at 0:58 and I held my manhood cheap by 1:01
We should use pre-loading on shift lever before change gears or not? What is your opinion?
On a v2 like a ducati 1098 where the engine brake is massive at all rpm doesn’t the rear wanna slide from underneath you?
It’s a simple concept but the timing of it is the hard part I would imagine.
I am glad you said you don't use rear brake. I have had a 2004 zx10r for the track only and if i lost the rear brake lever i would not even notice. Is it just me or there is no real benefit in using the rear brake in "normal" riding?
rear brake is used for added braking when coming to a sudden stop on the street, by not using your rear youre choosing not to use 30% of your brakes. the rear brake also helps with slow speed maneuvring/stability
30%? Lol, think that you can lift the rear up under braking then tell me if you think 30% is not an overestimation.
Rear brake is VERY useful for normal street riding. I use it just as much as the front brake. Check out high level Moto Gymkhana riders from Japan. They use lots of rear brake. Also, Police Motorcycle officers like Quinn Redeker use lots of rear brake. On a track at higher speeds is where many find the rear brake to be optional.
Man, you're not alone) rear brake is useless stuff on short-base moto. in any case,in city too. it just steals your attention.
I’m pretty good at blipping the throttle when going down the gears, but cannot get the knack of doing this on the brakes, I have to do each task separately. I tried practicing on an empty road once, downshifted as I tried to blip the throttle I put more pressure on the brake and thought I was going over the bars 😂 Amazingly I stayed on, felt like a right twat.
Don't worry it's not unusual to struggle to get this perfected, Simon says he has clients that are fast but this is the one thing that it still a bit of a challenge. Keep persevering, you'll get there :-)
Motovudu Dankeschon! 😊
Tris Desnos .....i do it releasing the brake only the time it takes to gas the throttle to match rpm and back to closed throttle. Middle finger on brake, so if i downdhift 3 gears consecutively i will have done a natural ABS 😇, and matched the gear to do the corner.
Anyways, i understand in the video that you do break vey hard aproaching the corner and release the breaks carry on breaking with the engine at the same time you chose the right gear to do the cornering.
Anyone to discuss this with me please?
@@motovudu I hear about pre-loading shift lever while downshifting and upshifting too. I hear also opinion that this can damage gearbox. Do you use this method or not?
It’s because it’s not possible to threshold brake and autoblip at the same time. So, in order to get the most out of braking, you use the slipper method, if you don’t have a quickshifter.
Choose the corect gear.....practice rev matching tight?
Hello again. I cant stop listening this short videos again and again and again and again.
Can anybody tell me what RPM would be the ideal for each gear as for engine breaking?
And how much would be too much, or too little?
I presume it should be at the begining of the high rpm?
For example in my gsxr k6, 600cc 11000rpm would be the sweet spot. In theory. Havent tried yet
As I mentioned on another answer..
The faster you ride the more response you need on acceleration and deceleration. Either way smooth riding is important.
Basically, as you increase your speed you will need to increase the rpm you use to get more assistance from acceleration and deceleration. There is no point screaming your bike in low gears while riding slowly, the bike will be jerky and to responsive, but as you increase your speed (entry and exit) you will need the help from the engine / a higher rpm. For example, I'll ride the slow corners in 2nd when I'm with a slower client, and the slow corners in 1st with the fast client.
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When you're braking down a straight are you using the front brakes then blipping the throttle? if so this is difficult as you have to keep the brake constant whilst you blip the throttle to rev match which I dont even know if its possible (with a ride by cable throttle) (the much easier course of action would be to brake with your rear brake, downshift, rev match with right hand, then rinse and repeat).
Most decent sportsbikes have a slipperclutch now. No need to rev match. Dump the gears with no care.
Hello there. Can the wheels get blocked if the rpm are too high? Or are the wheels blocked only by extremely hard breaking?
Thank you
The faster you ride the more response you need on acceleration and deceleration. Either way smooth riding is important. Normally the rear will only lock with maximum engine braking if you are braking very hard, or you are leaning over and are going down the gearbox roughly (especially if your bike is an earlier model that does not have a slipper clutch).
Motovudu ...Thank you Simon!
Ok now make more sense I drive semi Dow shifting is hard to learn u have to listen to the motor to know when to downshift.
Rev ing it's bollocks off 🤣 yep guilty thanks Simon 🫶🏍️
What's better blipping the thottle to down shift or slipping the clutch(with a slipper clutch) ? I been slipping it lately and found I can approached the corner with more speed because my finger has been already on the brake versus trying to blip the throttle
The ultimate is to do both. Blipping the throttle is important to match the RPM, but when braking at an angle smoothly releasing the clutch immediately after is the icing on the cake. It enables you to achieves the perfect down change without losing any rear grip. Actually, this is the difference between production and MotoGP Blipper's. Production bike Blipper's just blip the throttle, MotoGP systems use the clutch in combination with.
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is that an 06 gsxr1000?
Its a 2011 GSX-R1000
how this video has only 500 likes?
glad you like it :-)
I personally have 3 fingers on front brake and the other halve of my palm keeping engine RPM up so I don't lock the rear I don't know anyone else who does it this way though . anyone else out there ?
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