How SMART is Nana? -- Smash Wiki Trivia
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In this episode of our new and glorious Smash Wiki Trivia series, we're covering characters on the roster starting from Peach, and ending with Zelda! There's a lotta interesting stuff here, so I hope y'all enjoy!
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I always keep the same stance on Sheik's gender, which is what I feel Nintendo was originally going for, which is that Sheik is still a girl because she's Zelda, but posing as a man so people unaware of it think of Sheik as male. It's literally a Mulan situation with a bit of magic on the disguise. Not that hard, yet the argument has gone on for decades smh
Ik why do people think shes male?
Exactly
One could also say they purposefully misgender Sheik as to not spoil the twist.
...Though I'm not sure how many people that would save the twist from anymore.
Sheik in Smash could just be a Guy because it wouldn't be Zelda as Sheik anymore since ever since Smash 4 they don't switch like Pyra/Mythra.
@@zelz3011 except they explicitly say it's Zelda.
To explain the dresses: in games most of the time models are rendered with blackface culling, meaning you can only see faces from one side. That way stuff on the other side of the model that you can't see isn't being rendered. For the dress, the main part is modeled on the inside so you can see it, but the trim only faces outward. That's why it seems to disappear.
While "blackface culling" is probably a good idea, the term is "back-face culling" :)
@@arabidllama probably autocorrect but either way LOL
HE RENDERD HIS WHAT?
please don't call the term that.
@@polocatfan Then what do we call it..
"Cull the back of the face"?
Sheik is also included in Isabelle’s classic mode route which featured all of the non-DLC female fighters.
it's pretty established that sheik is just a girl disguised as a boy. it's a mulan kind of situation which i guess is why they sometimes use male pronouns
Awwh Daisy loves Peach so much that just having her loaded makes Daisy spawn otherwise unused hearts. Adorable.
That's true friendship right there!
Or maybe more? It IS pride month after all.
@@rhyth_twisted 😳 royalty always tend to go for other royalty members afterwards
I totally did not view it as romantic rivalry at all as a result of Daisy attacking Mario with hearts 😅
I’m wondering if this actually intentional in the sense of since daisy and peach are echo fighters and they share similar color alts it’s a way to tell who’s who even if it’s ultimately not that difficult to differentiate
Homosexuality
10:20 The immediate smash-cut away from Steve getting hit by a Home-Run Bat made me laugh _way_ harder than it should have. 🤣
It's so perfectly cut 😆 🤣 😆
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I'm pretty sure the peach dress effect is on purpose, I wouldn't consider it an "inconsistency"
from what I can see, it was done to exaggerate the angle at which the model is viewed. That one of the parts of the dress is much higher creates a slightly more dynamic effect. maybe to accentuate her heels.
Let's consider that unlike other smash games, (can't remember if this happened in smash 4) the models now gently look towards the viewer. We no longer see them completely in profile, so i think this was a conscious decision from the developers.
many times in art it is prioritized that something looks good more than correct, many times the correct thing does not look as correct as we imagine it.
No, it's just a simple render culling to optimize performance. ^^;
@@KainYusanagi it's not culling, it's a one sided texture. Whether it's for optimization... probably not. There's much more complicated character models than peach.
Not every character turns towards the screen, though the practice did begin in Smash 4 with some of the newer characters, like Pac-Man and Mega Man
@@somethingfunny9488 Creating a "one-sided texture" is backface culling.
@@mann-nova9392 It was done with the characters whose games featured them in a specific orientation, IIRC.
Maybe Nana's real AI level was the friends we made along the way.
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AKA everyone Hollywood movie
That feels thematically fitting.
@Sirbacobits Did it hurt?
Hello, fellow Plussies.
For the Daisy hearts thing, there was a similar phenomenon with Wolf and Fox's lasers in a pjiggles video a while ago. My theory is that because these characters were likely copied from other characters at some point in the series, some of their assets still point to locations in their source character's files. Because of this, these assets are only present when the source characters are loaded. Daisy's heart particles are already present in Peach's other moves like uptilt even back in Smash4, though back throw it self did not use them. This means they either made Daisy's back throw with Peach's particles as placeholder and forgot to change it while also not updating Peach, or Peach's throw was updated with particles and disabled some time after Daisy was made.
Edit: I just remembered Daisy's turnips used to have Peach's smash 4 properties. This means Daisy was likely copied while Ultimate Peach was being worked on.
“We can prove it’s Nana whose voice clip is out of place if we just Yoshi her and try again.”
I’m dying and so are Nana and Yoshi
and popo
I was looking in the daisy hearts, and it seems the original code creates an effect called 'peach_smash_heart' on back throw, though the effects for a character are usually called after the character's name, for example she has an effect called 'daisy_smash_skillet', so it should say 'daisy_smash_heart' instead, it looks like a leftover, funnily enough the effect 'peach_smash_heart' isn't found anywhere on peach's code for back throw
So what it looks like it is happening here is that daisy is borrowing an effect from peach, therefore peach must be loaded in the battle, though I thought that wasn't possible
I have a possible reason for why the sound files might be saved separately this game. As someone who does audio stuff (particularly music), when you do mixing, it can be useful to have multiple files instead of one so that you can adjust the volume and balance with the backing track. Given that the backing track has swells and dips, I would assume that they wanted to be able to have the entire quote be audible through whatever changes in audio during the victory theme, same with if a move has special effects sound effects along with voice lines (increasing the audio on the voice lines that might be covered by sound effects to make them more audible, decreasing the volume on voice lines in isolation, etc).
The move names for some of the DLC characters come from the Mr. Sakurai Presents videos, where he names every move
Except for hero's names, they come from the dragonquest wiki , which has quite a few mistakes
My mom walked in during the beginning section of the video with peach, and let me just say, I had to do a lot of explaining
lol
Just play the video then
I actually found out about that some days ago regarding classic animations. It happens to some characters after a wall jump. And amusingly Dark Samus reverts to normal Samus falling animation after a wall jump.
Holy crap! It's Captain Falcon! Say something funny! 😆
@@TotPocket Yes
@@Randallroks Now THAT was funny !
@@Randallroks *laugh track*
About the Peach and Daisy dresses looking shorter/longer/disappearing depending on the side, that's just backface culling
It's a pretty common 3d modeling trick to make planes one-sided and/or to save on processing time and stuff
My best guess, as a game developer, is that peach's and daisy's dress frills are rendered as "Planes".
These are infinitely thin, flat surfaces where only one side is rendered and textured. If you want to know more look up, "planar mapping" or just "planes."
The likely answer for both Peach's victory line being split, along with Nana's bat chargeup voice, is that the voice lines are probably tied to animation frames. So, it's natural that Nana would keep her bat VO timing no matter which position she's in, and the "aww" "did I win" were likely split to allow precise timing of each half during the very quick victory animation
6:15 Is it a useless fact that will never be that useful or a genuinely useful little quirk that can give you an edge playing bowser? Personally, I would vote for the ladder.
I guess this proves that Daisy is dumping Luigi for Peach xD
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@@arcticdino1650 they aren’t related
@@HabitualThinker They probably are. Some guides for some of the Mario kart games state that they are cousins. While the guides could be wrong, it has never been said otherwise
@@arcticdino1650 Given that they each rule a separate kingdom, I honestly doubt it. but then again both are called kingdoms while very clearly being principalities so who knows
Since we are talking about characters with an item as apart of their base moveset; 1 fun fact about all of them is they all actually have 2 weapons assigned to their hands and the game just makes 1 of them invisible when it's not needed so technically, all sword characters have 2 swords while Nana and Popo both have 2 hammers each.
And when are those "needed"?
Or are you just talking about sth like a less detailed version?
Edit: I just got to that part of the video, you meant the mirroring stuff lol
Still, some characters like Link don't change the weapon as PK said, so it's not all of them
@@ARandomMinecraftVillager Yeah, it was that part.
No, Nana and Popo have 1 hammer each, that's why they switch hands
@@lilycreeper5246 you clearly didn’t get the point
The reason some parts of the model disappear on one side is because of a thing called "model culling," where the vertices don't render on one side of the model. Some parts of the models have inner-culling, meaning the inside is transparent, while others have outside-culling, meaning the outside is transparent (for example, like Rosalina's dress which has a galaxy pattern on the inside but not on the outside). The reason for this is so that its easier for the game to render instead of rendering every side of each object at once. Often times though, many of the model objects have no culling, making them visible on both sides.
4:56 That was me lol. I had no idea Luigi's miscolored L was a thing.
I like the mistiming sound on Nana’s home run bat - with both of them it sounds like a “Heave-“ “Ho!”
It feels intentional in the way you described. Really puts the team aspect together like they're trying to time attacks with each other. Especially with the way Popo's voice clip is a lot more of a yell than Nana's
Steve: Hello young lady!
Nana: 10:20
6:07 I think it's because shells move up a lot when bouncing back and forth in Mario maker and stuff.
My theory on the ice climbers being affected by stance mirroring despite having a weapon at all times is because the original ice climbers game had sprites which would be flipped, and this is just a subtle nod to that, since Nintendo likes to do that.
10:19 that cut two frames after the hit is so hilarious! I love it
Yes! Another PKBeats! Glad I can watch it while sitting by myself at a pseudo party
Regarding the move names that are in the moveset tables, there's a couple things about that. First is that the wiki's stance on move names is that they must be official, either mentioned in the game, an instruction book, official strategy guides (Prima doesn't count because it is consistently poor quality), etc. Second is that if there is no official English name, an official Japanese name is used that would be translated. Finally, there is a Japanese wiki that lists the names that are currently on the wiki. They got their names from a Japanese strategy guide that says it is official and was tweeted out by the Official Smash JP twitter account, so the wiki deemed it an official strategy guide and thus used it for names. A couple editors who know Japanese or know someone who does took up the task of adding the move names. It took a bit but the project is complete. Note that the strategy guide was released before Joker was added in the game and so it doesn't have any info on the DLC characters.
The page where u can view the moves, For Neutral B it mentions "Toad" for Peach and "a Toad" for Daisy.
Also the transition for Pyra from idle to walking is normal but for Mythra the transition is weird.
The first song instantly brought me back to my childhood where i played spririt tracks as my first zelda
Awesome review! Thanks for sharing! Have a wonderful week my friend
For Sheik's gender, the way I see it:
If I'm an actress for a play, and play a male character, despite me being an actress, the character itself is still a man. The reverse is also true, if I'm a male actor, and play a woman, that character is still a woman regardless of my gender.
Sheik is a character played by Zelda to remain undetected while the world is in Ganondorf's power. Sheik is a man, because that's part of the role Zelda is playing as him!
Well Nintendo basically confirmed that Sheiks a female lmao.
By the way... In Peach's idle animation she's not actually checking her nails (she's wearing gloves), she's actually looking at her ring. Most people don't notice it (or if they do they don't think much of it) but in Smash and only in Smash, Peach has a square-shaped gem ring on her middle finger (not her ring finger... because that would imply she's married, which she's not).
1:45 U forgot that Bayo shares that fact with Byleth and Jiggs. She only has 1 idle animation too.
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If the hearts were only present when Daisy throws Peach specifically, I'd think they were coming from Peach because... well, look at those poses.
All these little factoids are all new to me I’ve been binging this series loving the content
I'm pretty sure bowser can manually cancel momentum on his Dair with the tanooki tail equipped but I think most characters have to hit someone to be able to float
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Seems like calling Shiek "he" could be a bit of a nod to people who know Shiek is actually the feminine Zelda, like they're playing along with the idea that not everyone knows that they're the same person.
Basically a Metroid situation, as in the original Metroid games pamphlet guide they exclusively use He and him to hide the fact that Samus, a name thats pretty ambiguous gender-wise, is actually a girl.
Of course samus is so well know at this point even having a separate character for her Zero suit in smash that they don't really hide she's a girl amymore.
Shiek is a slightly different case as the whole purpose of her existence is too throw people off and hide as opposed to Samus who just... Doesn't bother hiding anything and it's just common for her to be armored all the time.
The ice climbers having their hammers swap between their hands is probably a reference to their game where they just flipped the sprite when they turn around. Same with other characters like ryu and mario. Also kazuya doesnt do this because his games were always 3D.
7:27 So Nana's AI is literally just a meme to the developers.
8:21 Oh, that's a thing now? I haven't played Smash since 3DS.
10:15 Potential mindgames?
11:47 Woah, they guarantee those KOs?!
12:12 Hunh.
Anyway, neat analysis video! Thanks for uploading!
The hammer shuffle is something that most modern traditional fighting games need to learn how to do. I am looking at your injustice two hail boy.
Great video pkbeats
The dress thing is a one sided texture. You can see it from one side, but to save data, you cannot see it from the other side. Makes sense considering you don't see it normally in battles and you only see it if you are looking for it.
10:19
Steve: Hello, young lady!
Nana: *bonk*
Steve: OOOOOOOOOOHHHHH--
Love this series! Keep reading, pk, keep reading
I think the heart effect was originally intended for peach's back throw but was removed last minute from peach. But they forgor to remove the particle effect from daisy under certain circumstances
9:27 "If we Yoshi her" 😢 don't bring back bad memories of Mario playthrough
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I’m a modeler and the back of those parts of the dress for both peach and Daisy not showing is known as what’s called backface culling. This is so the game doesn’t have to render parts of the model that won’t be seen. For the case on the bottom of the dress it’s such a small detail that the devs thought it wasn’t necessary to render. For the neck area it’s the same thing, no reason to render the inside of their shirt.
Got to the ice climber part and it’s the same thing. The bottom part of the of their coats might be a bit different but it’s probably the same thing.
Goddamit, i was getting ready to skip the ad.. But started crying over treasure town
Segue PK was right, I did just learn about Random Dice for the first time in this video.
Legends has it that Steve and Zombie still stand there to this day
i think the reason for the voice line inconsistency is just that this is something done often when designing a game; certain sounds are spliced for multiple reason; ease of movement, if you only need a certain part of a voice line (eg. to make changes), then you may well just want to cut it in half and take the part you need. there are multiple other reasons that this is done (i dont know them, i dont know this from experience i've just heard it from my friend), but ease is a big factor, especially considering that the sound has 2 distinct parts
great video
To explain the heart thing: Daisy was made using Peach as a base. When coding her, they replaced hearts with flowers, and must've done something wrong with the indexing i.e not properly telling the game "yo, this belongs to Daisy specifically". So the game thinks that that's just how Peach's hearts look like. When the real Peach's in the math, however, there's conflicting data for how the hearts are supposed to look like in the 'backlog' of effects, so the game just picks one of them. Peach's.
The explanation might not be 100% accurate since I've never actually messed with Ultimate, but I've encountered this same exact issue in another game whose files I regularly look at and modify; it makes sense that it'd work the same way with Ult.
Peach is such a menace that she says aww separately to saying that she won
(2:12) Worst part is how badly split it is. You can hear the start of the D right before it cuts off.
Bayonetta is usually the one doing the ladder lol
Really nice video
also, i have discovered the condour glitch as well with ice climbers... i usually play donkey kong against ice climbers on a custom stage called "doofinshmirts inc." or something like that, and it gives me a good look at the condour before it dissapears... pretty weird and interesting though...
You had two opportunities to spell condor right, and you failed both times.
@@Xaero13 i have monkey brain and i wasn't sure how to spell it since it was a character name... sorry ;-;
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1:22 hehe... checking her nails... with gloves on...
The effect where parts of the model just disappears is something called "back-face culling". It's where if polygons are facing away from the camera, it doesn't get rendered. This saves processing power because typically these aren't supposed to be seen from the wrong side. You can see this effect in many games. Have you ever played a game where if the camera goes inside the model, the model seemingly goes invisible? Same effect. This is easily fixable just by adding a few more polygons on the opposite side, so the modelers either didn't account for this to occur, or just didn't care as it is barely noticeable and doesn't impact gameplay or graphical fidelity any bit.
I didn't know about the Luigi L colour thing. Neat
10:19 _"Hello, young lad-"_
I've played random dice a while back, got it back like 2 or so months ago and ever since I got it back I have been pelted with ads about it and it's more recent game. Man I cannot escape it, I'm losing my mind here.
I think the main reason why shiks gender changes is depending on the context like for that brawl trophy it was saying that it was Zelda in disguise so it was her and then for tips for the character they refer to the character as her likely because nobody pays attention to that but then putting actual like things that someone would pay attention to like the character description it would be better to put it as he to not spoil the legend of Zelda ocarina of Time I don't know you are probably likely correct that it's just magic or whatever intern is writing it
The peach dress thing is just backface culling, a trick 3d developers use to make 2d planes not render on one side of the mesh to save on resources, however they forgot to model a secondary model for the other side, or perhaps it was intentional because you won't be able to see it too easily, the entire dress on the side is actually backfaces on the inside as well so the entire dress mesh is actually modeled twice, something important like that deserves it but that one strip of lace on peach and daisy wasn't on their priority list. It appears on other characters in different places just not so easy to see spots.
Steve has an idle animation
it’s just blinking his eyes at a certain timing
I remember I was gonna mention this, but didn't. But that's separated from the whole "idle animation" thing, since he blinks even while doing other actions (crouching, taunting, etc)
1:06 GOD PEACH IS SO ADORABLE AAAAAAAAA
I actually mainly play on custom stages when I play smash ultimate and a good number of times the condor has been stick in the air until "Go!" without any ice climber even present. It's weird but I don't have any proof
The Bowser glitch may be some leftover spaghetti code from how Bowser's down air used to work if used out of hitstun. It would function as normal but it wouldn't plummet. Bowser would just use down air at his normal falling air speed. This was present in Smash 4 and early SSBU, but was patched out.
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10:20 lol, perfect cut😂
Cut right before Steve screamed xD
Did Peach's back throw have hearts in Smash 4? I remember Daisy's turnips having the same properties as Peach's from Smash 4 before that got patched (because why make Daisy more than just more Peach costumes), so maybe it's some leftover code or something from Smash 4?
The “major spoilers for legend of Zelda ocarina of time” got me
I always enjoy when ppl say warning there’s spoilers right before discussing something that’s widely known by pretty much anybody to the point it’s your fault for not knowing it
I forgot people come out of the womb having played/watched all popular media in existence.
@@npc_blob1609 I basically did. I knew ocarina of time at 5 years old
I'd like to get your attention to Bayonetta's final smash. I main her and I play with final smashes on for the most time and I have never been able to understand how having multiple characters in the Gomorrah part works. I used to think it'd have to do with how much damage was dealed, but it seems inconsistent..
Cool series do more
Yes, make this a new series
4:20 holy crap pkbeats is a master alchemist??
7:32 Parter Ice Climber
15:58 Player 2 3rd wheeling lol
The Bowser thing with the ladders also works with a Tanooki leaf
I think what's happening with Daisy and Peach's dresses are called back-face culling
Luigi refers to his Smash 4 idle when he grabs an item as well!
what's annoying is trying to launch the sandbag in the home run contest but Nana keeps smacking it with the f-ing hammer
Random smash fact: if greninja does a down smash with any battering item (and some other items) ,it will do a weird flip or turn (depending on the item) before returning to its original place
I’m a rock doctor and he’s right gold is in fact not silver a true genius
I think Meele also had winds in cloth and hair using link bombs in the ground will make other links hats reacts
ok, i posted this on the last video but i wanted to repost in hopes that pk notices.
On the topic of incorrect jumping with spirits: this happens when a move affects your movement, like the two you used, and donkey Kong's cargo throw. for some reason the moves movent change overrides the spirits movement change after a small window.
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demigod279 · 6h ago
i have a dk spirit team that uses 4 lightweight spirits, and you jump int the blast zone. however, when you grab and carry your opponent, you jump a normal height. this can be surpassed by buffering a jump during the grab animation.