Loving these videos, though I prefer knowing the beers as you're tasting them. For me, it allows me to relate the different descriptors and tasting notes to the beers I've had, versus the focus being on the descriptors and tasting notes themselves, and then needing to rewind to figure out which was about which beer. OR it would be cool to do an "optional" reveal at the beginning and allow viewers to skip if they want to keep the surprise. Just a couple of thoughts!
Something about seeing a hazy beer in a glass makes me happy. Even if the beer sucks I'll still be happy, unless it really, really sucks. I love HLT and usually have some in my fridge.
With the Fall season coming, I recommend doing a taste test video on the best supermarket Oktoberfest (Marzen) beer. Definitely curious to see your take on it. Love the videos. Keep them coming.
Drinking an Other Half hazy as we speak! OH and SingleCut are some of my favorites in the northeast. I love the shootouts between more accessible beers, but I think some time spent highlighting what makes smaller/more specialized breweries so special would provide a great frame of reference for this series.
No doubt he's had brews from these breweries, and would probably enjoy them. They're all at the very high-end and artisanal side of craft beer along with Tree House.
When drinking IPAs (especially hazy), perhaps the most important factor I've noticed is how long the beer has been in the can. I will no longer buy a beer without the date on the can as once it gets more than say 8 weeks old, the flavour profile changes so much as to leave the beer unrecognizable. A thought for future video comparisons: comment on the dates on the can - are they all fresh? Supermarket beers can really suffer from this. Also a video idea: Take any good IPA - maybe a Treehouse! - and taste it fresh, after 4 weeks, after 8, after 12, after a year , etc. Or have you already done this?
I think this is what Nate was touching on at the end. The expectation is that you should be able to grab a sixer/case off the shelf and it drinks as expected. I'm not going through cans or boxes to check dates when I'm buying beer and I (and you) shouldn't have to. But there is 100% a taste difference. We've all had cans we forgot about that got pushed back in the fridge for a few weeks...or months. They're wildly different in many cases from the fresh experience. And that's the same whether it's supermarket or brewery release cans.
Spot on, and I experience this twofold when I brew my own hazys. Hazys have a very tight window too even sitting in the keg purged of oxygen. For me, they peak at about 2 weeks in the keg and then start to diminish. They are very delicate. I've experienced the same beer sometimes AMAZING and other times sometimes underwhelming and very different..so I'm not surprised to experience a lot of quality control issues, especially for craft and small breweries.
It's funny because even though you addressed all of the troll's "concerns" at the beginning, it will do nothing to dissuade the trolls, because having you respond to them was always their goal. And now having gotten the reward they want, they will only continue to troll to get further validation. The most important rule of the internet is "do not feed the trolls". I really appreciate your word on how your daily interaction with fresh beer influences your tasting. Most of us may not even notice the oxidation. My wife and I both drink IPAs, she likes the hazy style, but I am all in on west coast IPAs.
Was a pretty funny, yet great response to them. It’s that kind of response or just turning the comments off entirely, but it certainly does always entertain me how absolutely obtuse so many supposed hardcore craft beer drinkers can be.
Man, y'all are doing amazing! I wish I could do an IPA without instantly getting a headache. Just a suggestion - down here in AZ we hve some incredible beers; maybe an AZ beer test? Or Imperial Stouts for upcoming Fall? (Dragons Milk...mmm...)
Hazy is my favorite style. I think yall do great work and I think this video is representative of over the counter hazy ipa's. I don't think the shade should be thrown your way, but it's America and you'll have that. P.S. I'm bummed I can't get Treehouse in Tennessee. Thanks!
Fiddlehead is a really solid NEIPA w a decent price point. It always has a nice aroma and piney/resinous hop character. I'm guessing maybe some Chinook/Simcoe/Columbus? Some of the oxidation and other issue you describe here are also likely related to packaging. These beers don't stay cold and probably don't have a great shelf life.
Love how Nate talked about Sample C having a strong “backbone”. The most overused and useless beer descriptor is “malt backbone”, so I loved seeing that word used and have it be completely unrelated to malt.
Recommendation: have a fellow afficionado pre-screen the samples to make sure they're each in decent shape, not oxidized, too old, etc. Would be good to always have apples-to-apples comparisons reflecting the "best" version of each sample. I think most watching this channel are always trying to avoid anything but the freshest, cleanest examples of whatever we're drinking--and, like Nate, if we unfortunately stumble upon something oxidized or otherwise past the best of its life we know it right away and it's basically a failed experiment. The best head-to-heads I've done personally have always been comparing across good, clean versions of each beer--that way judgments are made on the merits of the brewer rather than the demerits of the shippers & handlers. Anyway, my 2 cents. Love what you guys are doing both here and, especially, at the brewery!!
Cool video. I actually guessed each one by your comments. I think if you would’ve had the Voodoo Ranger in the orange can you would’ve picked that phone number one. That’s my favorite anyway, with Sierra Nevada my second favorite.
To pile on from a comment in a previous test, it would be great to see the tie-in to Tree House every time. What elements of the beers you like are evidenced in which Tree House beers? What does Tree House do to prevent the things you don't like about a particular beer? If we as consumers really like "Sample B" which Tree House beer might be want to look for?
Good, Fun video ! Like your IPA review, I like that most/all these beers would be a good choice to just buy a 6 pack and enjoy ! It just comes down to taste and appeal. I still like that I can find some of my favorite beers in a can or a bottle ! I may go to a brewery for something unique or a "one-off". It's great to have choice and great beer at the brewpub or at home. Cans are also great for hiking, especially if close to a stream for cooling the beer ! Drink it, crush it and carry it out. On a hike it's good just to have a beer, not too keen on micro analizing a beer on a hike.
In the upcoming “can vs glass” video, I’d love to hear your take on those viral videos of the dudes dunking paper towels into a glass of beer to show what happens in your stomach based on how you poured it. Was always curious what effect happens when drinking out of a can instead of a glass after it’s poured.
You absolutely have to check date codes in a supermarket. Grocery stores are not overly concerned about turning inventory in beer aisles. They will keep something on the shelf until it sells, with no real concern of how long. And in deference to Nate, you really should check the dates on your yogurt as well
@@finspin4984this. Supermarkets don’t manage beer inventory. They approve sku’s to the shelf but the brewery/distributor is responsible for the QC on the brand.
I check date codes no matter where I am buying it from, unless it is directly at the brewery. Figure I don't need to there. Prices being asked for beer these days (I am in Canada), if an IPA is 60+days old, I just won't buy it. Prefer within 30days, but that usually doesn't happen unless it is a brewery within the province.
@@viper29ca good rule of thumb is 90 days. Depending on the style, lagers and stouts age extremely well. Heat for beer is much worse than time, if it’s stored cold (always) it’s likely going to taste exactly how the brewery packaged it.
@@MrClownWorld Yeah, that is just my rule for IPA, Pale Ale, anything hoppy. Prices up here are running $5 and up for a 500ml can of IPA. If I am paying that much, it had better be relativity fresh. Lager, Pils less so, stouts I generally don't check, unless they have like an inch of dust on them.
For the can/glass - I tend to at-least take one sip from the can for the extra carbonated flavor variation, the pour. I'd argue the glass for sure for a smoother experience. Pour moderately aggressive too, the head needs to release to allow the true flavor profile to shine. For either an IPA or Hazy IPA, pouring with a head that takes up 1/3 of the glass is about right. It should be very puffy marshmellowy on the top sticking out above the rim as you pour the remainder of the can, then it settles down in a few seconds.
I notice that some IPAs taste way harsher after warming up than others. Might be fair to start everything very cold and let them warm a bit. These videos are great though! I dig how it feels like you’re figuring it out as you go
Another great video Nate! Thank you. On the first run through I did notice that you smelled and sipped sample A out of the can and glass but did not do the same with the other three. It might have been good to do both can and glass on all? And the DATE thing, you're right, all the beer in the supermarket case should be good but even a date is no guarantee, older date stored well could be better than younger date left out in the sun for a week, we are at the mercy of supply chain laziness! Keep it up. See you in September. Update on Saratoga?
All beer hitting sunlight is rough unless you love that classic Coronoa/Heineken skunk. Just had a Weihenstephaner Hefeweissbier with it, no good. Gueuze and mix ferm beer on the other hand is lovely with it.
I'd love to see a tasting where you have 4 similar beers in the can like this video and the same beers poured in a glass. But you don't know which glass belongs to which can and you have to try to match them up. I don't know if I'm explaining the concept very well, but it would really highlight how different a beer can present from the can and after being poured. You could put a mark on the bottom of each can and glass to keep track of which is which.
Surely Nate is having some very interesting thoughts re process while going through these. It would be cool to hear him talk a little bit about how he imagines these beers were made. Guess it would be easy to give away "secrets" talking in this manner It seems simple enough to film with good lighting but out of direct sunlight...... Also, dunno why it's so hard to get the audio mix right - music is too hot (and hokey (kind of a motif of the channel)) pretty much throughout. I dug the blind video format
Hazy Little Thing is pretty good. It must be hard after drinking World Class NE IPAs to slum it in tastings the mass market beers😂 I enjoy these videos to see what Nate thinks about craft beers that I might have to drink when my options might be limited🍻I ordered the hat from the store today🔥It’s ok if a couple of cans of KJ get thrown into my order if you like😂😂😂Awesome video🍻
I think they've found their business model and it works well for them. People line up at each brewery location to buy all the beer they can produce. They don't distribute to stores because they don't need to. I live one state away and I have to drive there to get it, so I can't see it ever being available in CA. Maybe find a beer buddy in MA and you can ship him something interesting that's local to you in return for him shipping you some TH.
@@61hink people don’t need to lineup like they did pre-COVID. They now produce enough that you can get in and out without an issue for the most part. I think the bigger issue is they do everything to ensure their beer is the freshest and best it can be. It never gets warm or is exposed to poor handling. They don’t want some dope to place their beer on a shelf unrefrigerated. I see good hoppy beers sitting on a shelf in the stores now and I cringe and I refuse to buy it. If you watch their early brewery tour videos they go over all the painstaking love, care, detail that goes into their beer and they don’t want someone ruining their hard work.
Pretty sure he did one video about it. My guess is that the average person would taste it after 15 minutes or so in strong sunlight, and someone with a super sensitive pallet after probably 5 minutes. It's amazing that any company still sells beer in a clear bottle. I'm talking to you Colt 45 Malt Liquor!
I wish I had your optimism on how beer is treated by retailers... I just bought a "cheap" 4 pack of German Festbier from a big liquor store chain.. I though I got a deal, but it was beer that was brewed for Oktoberfest last year. It tasted like overly sweet cardboard. I drank a half of a can and dumped the rest. Similarly, I had an undrinkable 22oz pour of Hazy Little Thing at a Dave and Busters. Its rough out there.
The problem with mass market hazys is the logistics in keeping the beer cold throughout the transportation. When in the can and is not kept cold some of the ingredients that make a hazy taste so good begin to break down.
I checked my personal beer notes and I have had three out of the four beers featured. I rated the Oskar Hazy a 7.5/10 and the Voodoo Ranger and Hazy little thing a 6.5/10.
Generally curious about how much date code “freshness” falls upon the breweries or distributors responsibility? Supermarkets in the southern Ohio area tend to be extremely hit or miss on beer date code “freshness”.
Video idea: I don't know what you have on hand but it would be super interesting to see you do a blind tasting of, say, Julius that's fresh vs one month old vs two months old vs six months old vs 1 yr old. It would help to give us all some perspective on how quickly beer deteriorates, and by how much
Julius fresh vs. a month it will get a bit softer. 1-2 months often indistinguishable. Degradation from there linear u til sox months where it becomes something we don’t want to drink. Refrigeration 100% of the time is essential. The idea that our style of beer has an aggressive drop off after a certain length of time is not our experience at all and most folks here blindly prefer it blindly between 4-12 weeks
I would love to see a Bock review. Lonestar owns the rights to national beer of Texas but Shiner Bock is as Texas as beer can get. I would love to see it compared to others in the style!
Do a comparison/ranking of the top beers of Central Mass breweries! Tree House - Julius, Wormtown - Be hoppy, Greater Good - Pulp Daddy, Redemption Rock - War Castle, etc...
Don't you serve your hazys in clear glass pint glasses at your spots? I hear you on the uv exposure, but how you square that? Real question, should you serve your IPAs on draft at all? Can't wait for that vid you teased at the end.
RE: Sun Struck - how long does it take. I've heard opinions that it won't affect a beer in the time it takes to drink it. Maybe an idea for a video - blind tasting with a couple beers with ( 10 - 15 min) sun exposure/without? You'd have to keep them at the same temperature.
There’s a commercial approach. How about a non commercially available IPA. Root + branch, other half, monkish, troon, foam, oakflower, mortalis. This would be great!
Do you differentiate between a NEIPA and a Hazy IPA? In my opinion, a NEIPA brings the creamy mouthfeel (fluffiness) as you called it. Whereas a Hazy IPA is just a ‘hazy’ IPA with maybe some tropical fruit notes.
I think they get forgotten because they've been around so long. I know when I was doing brewing competitions 12-15 years ago, SN's pale was the "control" sample for that style. Any time I grab it I'm also impressed again, and wonder why it's so long between buying a case. Just so many beers to try and it's easy to forget the old standby, even if it's the exact definition of the style.
i think people are complaining just to have something to complain about now😂 ive newly come over to the ipa world (i try not to discriminate) and so far hazy ipa is my favorite style. im not a big fan at all of west coast ipas. i tried the deschutes from last video and it was ok. i liked the flavors but the bitterness was a killer for me. ill keep and eye out for the sierra nevada brew, i like other styles from them so theyre probably a nice pick
I live in Ontario, Canada - some great local beers up here (including a plethora of of Hazy IPA's). If I make a drive down to Tree House, what beers should I bring along for you to taste?
Date code can also be frustrating as a consumer in that you often see no date, “best by” date (by whose standard?) or a packaged on date. I feel packaged on date should be universal. I’ve often seen hazy IPAs with best by dates 6 months out.
I appreciate your insights on supermarket hazy IPAs and the glass vs. can debate. Two comments: 1. You mentioned that pouring beer in a glass can cause light strike, affecting the flavor. While it's true that light can impact beer quality, it's interesting to note that most beer has been poured into glasses for the last hundred years. If glass is such a detriment, why does Treehouse sell glasses? It seems like there's a balance to be struck between tradition and innovation. 2. I respect your stance on not favoring any brewery and being objective in your reviews. It's clear you have a refined palate and are sensitive to oxidation, which is crucial for enjoying fresh beer. However, for those of us who don't live near one of the five Treehouse locations and can't frequently visit, not to mention can’t purchase your beers…how should we navigate our beer choices? Any tips for enjoying supermarket IPAs or other accessible options would be greatly appreciated. Thanks for the honest review and for sharing your passion for great beer!
As a consumer you should **absolutely** check date codes. But as an objective observer judging what is put out into the world we are pulling what we can get
For an unsolicited reply on #2, as a craft beer fan, just visit your local brewery. These days you can barely throw a rock and not hit two. Although very few reach the level of Tree House there are plenty of good local breweries out there to purchase fresh beer. They could also use the support like a lot of small local businesses out there.
I don’t particularly like “session IPAs” since all examples I’ve tried just seem watered down, but I’d still love to see beers like Founders All Day IPA featured in a future comparison video! Feel free to give us home brewers pointers on how you’d construct a session IPA that doesn’t have a thin body or muted flavor profile 😎
[All of this was written before watching reveal, just off of which were shown initially] Sierra Nevada hazy is a really good beer for mass market. Voodoo ranger decent, just sometimes a little cloying and muted. Next for me would be oskar blues, it's fine but it wouldn't be my first choice. And early on I used to like sixpoint but meh, really really not a fan anymore.
to be honest, it wasnt as interesting for me as a viewer not know what beer you were trying as you tried them. However I did like you doing the blind taste first then pouring it in the glass, that was neat.
I just watched the previous video and was about to make the "sample A, sample B, sample C..." suggestion! Thanks other random guy in comments for making it!
I've both critiqued and complimented videos from this channel a lot over the last year. This one falls into a similar bracket as other critiques I've had, especially the German Lager one. If you read the comments, it's pretty clear most people don't know what you mean by "cardboard" and "oxidative." And/or they don't understand the impact of freshness on a beer. The rant at the end is fine, defensible, but it is essentially acknowledging the issue. Depending on where you are, what store you go to, and how popular the beer you're buying is, it will dramatically change the outcome of a taste test like this. Or put another way, you're really only rating your lottery pick of how fresh the beer you bought that particular day and from that particular store was. It's close to pointless. I've seen your beer sitting on the shelves of small beer store near Atlanta at room temp, well over 6 months old. Would it be fair for me to get on TH-cam and "rate" it. I just don't think so. I've had Treehouse beer fresh, it is absolutely phenomenal. World class beer. I've had those German lagers fresh from the brewery as well. World class lager.
Dude... your drink from a can, when you have a teku glass... in your hand! You are also in the shade! No sunlight will effect your beer, in the time you pour it and taste it... also drinking from a can means you are getting the wrost experience as far as volatile aromas Sincerely - a Concerned Certified Cicerone
That was fun! I liked the revel at the end where we all found out at the same time. As far as the date codes go I’d say it’s more like grabbing the freshest gallon of milk… you’re not going to drive all around town to find the “freshest” but I will grab the one that has the best date. And I’d imagine any craft beer drinker might be doing the same thing Just a thought….
I get what you are saying in regards to like when you buy like yogurt at the supermarket, but say a company like Hood, isnt going to go around to every supermarket to make sure everything on the shelf is properly dated, thats on the store to pull product when its out dated and also to be ordering based upon how quickly the turnover rate is for the yogurt, as to always maintain the freshest quality possible. So how can you blame a brewery for a supermarkets lack of ability make sure the beer section is properly dated as well the lack of caring because in theory beer never really "goes bad" like you could get seriously ill from it. Might taste bad, but thats about as far as it gets. I guess they could hold the supermarkets to a higher standard to their product, but im not sure how feasible that actually is.
Loving these videos, though I prefer knowing the beers as you're tasting them. For me, it allows me to relate the different descriptors and tasting notes to the beers I've had, versus the focus being on the descriptors and tasting notes themselves, and then needing to rewind to figure out which was about which beer. OR it would be cool to do an "optional" reveal at the beginning and allow viewers to skip if they want to keep the surprise. Just a couple of thoughts!
i second what your thoughts are... i think they did it this way to quiet the people complaining about biases
Something about seeing a hazy beer in a glass makes me happy. Even if the beer sucks I'll still be happy, unless it really, really sucks. I love HLT and usually have some in my fridge.
These are my favorite TH-cam videos to watch. Thank you and please keep making these. Guys are building a great brand
My favorite of these is the Hazy Little Thing.
Hazy little thing was my go-to this summer. Love it.
With the Fall season coming, I recommend doing a taste test video on the best supermarket Oktoberfest (Marzen) beer. Definitely curious to see your take on it. Love the videos. Keep them coming.
Hazy Little Thing is always a solid mass market craft beer. Very consistent whether I buy it in the PNW or anywhere else.
Yeah, easy go-to in my book. Very well balanced.
I would love to hear your thoughts on beers from monkish, root + branch, other-half, Trillium. Or the like.
love the root+branch shoutout. that's my local place!
Drinking an Other Half hazy as we speak! OH and SingleCut are some of my favorites in the northeast. I love the shootouts between more accessible beers, but I think some time spent highlighting what makes smaller/more specialized breweries so special would provide a great frame of reference for this series.
No doubt he's had brews from these breweries, and would probably enjoy them. They're all at the very high-end and artisanal side of craft beer along with Tree House.
This.
I agree let’s get this tasting going, should be awesome! And I think sneak a middle of the road tree house beer in with the sampling.
I would love to see you try ciders at some point! I quite enjoy Bold Rock and would love to hear your thoughts on that.
These are great. Can’t believe people thought you were biased
When drinking IPAs (especially hazy), perhaps the most important factor I've noticed is how long the beer has been in the can. I will no longer buy a beer without the date on the can as once it gets more than say 8 weeks old, the flavour profile changes so much as to leave the beer unrecognizable. A thought for future video comparisons: comment on the dates on the can - are they all fresh? Supermarket beers can really suffer from this. Also a video idea: Take any good IPA - maybe a Treehouse! - and taste it fresh, after 4 weeks, after 8, after 12, after a year , etc. Or have you already done this?
I second that motion. Let's see how freshness from a can really affects taste. Excellent idea.
I think this is what Nate was touching on at the end. The expectation is that you should be able to grab a sixer/case off the shelf and it drinks as expected. I'm not going through cans or boxes to check dates when I'm buying beer and I (and you) shouldn't have to. But there is 100% a taste difference. We've all had cans we forgot about that got pushed back in the fridge for a few weeks...or months. They're wildly different in many cases from the fresh experience. And that's the same whether it's supermarket or brewery release cans.
Spot on, and I experience this twofold when I brew my own hazys. Hazys have a very tight window too even sitting in the keg purged of oxygen. For me, they peak at about 2 weeks in the keg and then start to diminish. They are very delicate. I've experienced the same beer sometimes AMAZING and other times sometimes underwhelming and very different..so I'm not surprised to experience a lot of quality control issues, especially for craft and small breweries.
"i just don't care" lol. we all felt that. this one is a bit unhinged. love it.
It's funny because even though you addressed all of the troll's "concerns" at the beginning, it will do nothing to dissuade the trolls, because having you respond to them was always their goal. And now having gotten the reward they want, they will only continue to troll to get further validation. The most important rule of the internet is "do not feed the trolls".
I really appreciate your word on how your daily interaction with fresh beer influences your tasting. Most of us may not even notice the oxidation.
My wife and I both drink IPAs, she likes the hazy style, but I am all in on west coast IPAs.
Was a pretty funny, yet great response to them. It’s that kind of response or just turning the comments off entirely, but it certainly does always entertain me how absolutely obtuse so many supposed hardcore craft beer drinkers can be.
not to mention he says he doesn't have a vested interest in treehouse.... eh??///
@@Family-of-fun I believe he said he had/has no vested interest in the breweries that he's sampling. Which obviously doesn't include Tree House lol
Cheers Nate, great work!🍻
The comments - Nate is a genius!!
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I'm a Hazy Head. I've had 3 of the 4 four and Sierra Nevada is kind of a go to for the supermarket selection for me.
Man, y'all are doing amazing! I wish I could do an IPA without instantly getting a headache.
Just a suggestion - down here in AZ we hve some incredible beers; maybe an AZ beer test? Or Imperial Stouts for upcoming Fall? (Dragons Milk...mmm...)
Beard is getting gnarly.. haha good video
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Nate that TH embossed Oxford shirt is fire
I’ve been on a NE IPA kick lately so this is perfect timing !
Are there any palate cleansers being used between samples?
Hazy is my favorite style. I think yall do great work and I think this video is representative of over the counter hazy ipa's. I don't think the shade should be thrown your way, but it's America and you'll have that. P.S. I'm bummed I can't get Treehouse in Tennessee. Thanks!
Fiddlehead is a really solid NEIPA w a decent price point. It always has a nice aroma and piney/resinous hop character. I'm guessing maybe some Chinook/Simcoe/Columbus?
Some of the oxidation and other issue you describe here are also likely related to packaging. These beers don't stay cold and probably don't have a great shelf life.
Still regional I believe - but Fiddle has SUCH a consistent product
@@carbies2 Good point. You are right, only available in the Northeast I think. It's available in PA grocery stores anyway !
Yeah Fiddlehead is my favorite that’s available almost everywhere but also spoiled living in NH where you can find great local stuff in most stores.
Love how Nate talked about Sample C having a strong “backbone”. The most overused and useless beer descriptor is “malt backbone”, so I loved seeing that word used and have it be completely unrelated to malt.
Recommendation: have a fellow afficionado pre-screen the samples to make sure they're each in decent shape, not oxidized, too old, etc. Would be good to always have apples-to-apples comparisons reflecting the "best" version of each sample. I think most watching this channel are always trying to avoid anything but the freshest, cleanest examples of whatever we're drinking--and, like Nate, if we unfortunately stumble upon something oxidized or otherwise past the best of its life we know it right away and it's basically a failed experiment. The best head-to-heads I've done personally have always been comparing across good, clean versions of each beer--that way judgments are made on the merits of the brewer rather than the demerits of the shippers & handlers. Anyway, my 2 cents. Love what you guys are doing both here and, especially, at the brewery!!
Cool video. I actually guessed each one by your comments. I think if you would’ve had the Voodoo Ranger in the orange can you would’ve picked that phone number one. That’s my favorite anyway, with Sierra Nevada my second favorite.
To pile on from a comment in a previous test, it would be great to see the tie-in to Tree House every time. What elements of the beers you like are evidenced in which Tree House beers? What does Tree House do to prevent the things you don't like about a particular beer? If we as consumers really like "Sample B" which Tree House beer might be want to look for?
I would love to be able to try a treehouse beer.
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Good, Fun video ! Like your IPA review, I like that most/all these beers would be a good choice to just buy a 6 pack and enjoy ! It just comes down to taste and appeal. I still like that I can find some of my favorite beers in a can or a bottle ! I may go to a brewery for something unique or a "one-off". It's great to have choice and great beer at the brewpub or at home. Cans are also great for hiking, especially if close to a stream for cooling the beer ! Drink it, crush it and carry it out. On a hike it's good just to have a beer, not too keen on micro analizing a beer on a hike.
In the upcoming “can vs glass” video, I’d love to hear your take on those viral videos of the dudes dunking paper towels into a glass of beer to show what happens in your stomach based on how you poured it. Was always curious what effect happens when drinking out of a can instead of a glass after it’s poured.
You absolutely have to check date codes in a supermarket. Grocery stores are not overly concerned about turning inventory in beer aisles. They will keep something on the shelf until it sells, with no real concern of how long. And in deference to Nate, you really should check the dates on your yogurt as well
But beer companies can manage their own inventory if they care
@@finspin4984this. Supermarkets don’t manage beer inventory. They approve sku’s to the shelf but the brewery/distributor is responsible for the QC on the brand.
I check date codes no matter where I am buying it from, unless it is directly at the brewery. Figure I don't need to there. Prices being asked for beer these days (I am in Canada), if an IPA is 60+days old, I just won't buy it. Prefer within 30days, but that usually doesn't happen unless it is a brewery within the province.
@@viper29ca good rule of thumb is 90 days. Depending on the style, lagers and stouts age extremely well. Heat for beer is much worse than time, if it’s stored cold (always) it’s likely going to taste exactly how the brewery packaged it.
@@MrClownWorld Yeah, that is just my rule for IPA, Pale Ale, anything hoppy. Prices up here are running $5 and up for a 500ml can of IPA. If I am paying that much, it had better be relativity fresh.
Lager, Pils less so, stouts I generally don't check, unless they have like an inch of dust on them.
Creature Comfort's Bigger Dreams is personally the best I've found. Really relaxed and balanced and flavorful
I think Technically Art from CC is another lovely Hazy IPA
Creature Comforts is the best! Tropicalia all day
Creature comforts is banging where available. Another great Georgia beer is Scofflaw POG; try it if you can find it
I used to live in GA but now in PA. New Trail and Dancing Gnome are the best hazy brews around here
I still need to get my hands on some CC beer.
Im so happy that you made this video!
I like hazy little thing, nice sipper when I don't want to put effort into finding something I like.
Hazy Little Thing is always solid - never ever disappointed. Sierra Nevada, in general.
Can never go wrong with anything from Sierra Nevada for something quick and cheap, i usually get Torpedo 🍻
Sierra is the go to. So tasty. Especially the orange can ones,
I love treehouse
For the can/glass - I tend to at-least take one sip from the can for the extra carbonated flavor variation, the pour. I'd argue the glass for sure for a smoother experience. Pour moderately aggressive too, the head needs to release to allow the true flavor profile to shine. For either an IPA or Hazy IPA, pouring with a head that takes up 1/3 of the glass is about right. It should be very puffy marshmellowy on the top sticking out above the rim as you pour the remainder of the can, then it settles down in a few seconds.
Any chance you could show the dates (if the cans are labeled) after you rate them?
I notice that some IPAs taste way harsher after warming up than others. Might be fair to start everything very cold and let them warm a bit. These videos are great though! I dig how it feels like you’re figuring it out as you go
Nice review, mouth feel in a Hazy is so important..my first batch of new england hazy homebrew, is good, but is lacking more fluffiness
Another great video Nate! Thank you. On the first run through I did notice that you smelled and sipped sample A out of the can and glass but did not do the same with the other three. It might have been good to do both can and glass on all? And the DATE thing, you're right, all the beer in the supermarket case should be good but even a date is no guarantee, older date stored well could be better than younger date left out in the sun for a week, we are at the mercy of supply chain laziness! Keep it up. See you in September. Update on Saratoga?
All beer hitting sunlight is rough unless you love that classic Coronoa/Heineken skunk. Just had a Weihenstephaner Hefeweissbier with it, no good.
Gueuze and mix ferm beer on the other hand is lovely with it.
I'd love to see a tasting where you have 4 similar beers in the can like this video and the same beers poured in a glass. But you don't know which glass belongs to which can and you have to try to match them up. I don't know if I'm explaining the concept very well, but it would really highlight how different a beer can present from the can and after being poured. You could put a mark on the bottom of each can and glass to keep track of which is which.
This format made things 2x more complicated 😂
Surely Nate is having some very interesting thoughts re process while going through these. It would be cool to hear him talk a little bit about how he imagines these beers were made. Guess it would be easy to give away "secrets" talking in this manner
It seems simple enough to film with good lighting but out of direct sunlight...... Also, dunno why it's so hard to get the audio mix right - music is too hot (and hokey (kind of a motif of the channel)) pretty much throughout. I dug the blind video format
Good stuff! But I’m a hazy ipa guy and have never been crazy about Sierra Nevada
Great video. Do you have any distribution in NYC? Would love to try your beer
Hazy Little Thing is pretty good. It must be hard after drinking World Class NE IPAs to slum it in tastings the mass market beers😂 I enjoy these videos to see what Nate thinks about craft beers that I might have to drink when my options might be limited🍻I ordered the hat from the store today🔥It’s ok if a couple of cans of KJ get thrown into my order if you like😂😂😂Awesome video🍻
Great episode guys! What a way to start my Friday morning of day drinking. Cheers! 🍻
Will I ever be able to order Treehouse in California? I have had 4-5 Treehouse beers and really liked each one. I wish I could easily purchase more.
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Not likely. The only way I see it is if they find a way to guarantee that it can stay cold shipping out there and it doesn't cost a fortune.
I can send you any Treehouse you like! Shipping would just be 1 BTC
I think they've found their business model and it works well for them. People line up at each brewery location to buy all the beer they can produce. They don't distribute to stores because they don't need to. I live one state away and I have to drive there to get it, so I can't see it ever being available in CA. Maybe find a beer buddy in MA and you can ship him something interesting that's local to you in return for him shipping you some TH.
@@61hink people don’t need to lineup like they did pre-COVID. They now produce enough that you can get in and out without an issue for the most part. I think the bigger issue is they do everything to ensure their beer is the freshest and best it can be. It never gets warm or is exposed to poor handling. They don’t want some dope to place their beer on a shelf unrefrigerated. I see good hoppy beers sitting on a shelf in the stores now and I cringe and I refuse to buy it. If you watch their early brewery tour videos they go over all the painstaking love, care, detail that goes into their beer and they don’t want someone ruining their hard work.
How long does it typically take for a beer to become light struck?
Pretty sure he did one video about it. My guess is that the average person would taste it after 15 minutes or so in strong sunlight, and someone with a super sensitive pallet after probably 5 minutes. It's amazing that any company still sells beer in a clear bottle. I'm talking to you Colt 45 Malt Liquor!
NFG!!! LETS GOOO!
Nate, your thoughts on some of Trillium's offerings would be must see TV. Vicinity, Metal, Congress....
Treehouse x Trillium collab would be 🔥
What's the optimum time from brew to drink for a hazy?
It depends on a million factors but for us when cold between 3-12 weeks
I wish I had your optimism on how beer is treated by retailers... I just bought a "cheap" 4 pack of German Festbier from a big liquor store chain.. I though I got a deal, but it was beer that was brewed for Oktoberfest last year. It tasted like overly sweet cardboard. I drank a half of a can and dumped the rest. Similarly, I had an undrinkable 22oz pour of Hazy Little Thing at a Dave and Busters. Its rough out there.
The problem with mass market hazys is the logistics in keeping the beer cold throughout the transportation. When in the can and is not kept cold some of the ingredients that make a hazy taste so good begin to break down.
*SPOILER* I am rarely disappointed when picking up anything from Sierra Nevada. Not surprised it was your #1
One of the few solid IPA's I can regularly find here in Germany 👍
I concur I saw Sierra and was not surprised it was ranked high.
He wouldn’t be around if it weren’t for Sierra Nevada
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@@iHEARTlebanonTN my bad. I edited my post. I didn’t think anything of it because I usually wait til the end to look at comments
I checked my personal beer notes and I have had three out of the four beers featured. I rated the Oskar Hazy a 7.5/10 and the Voodoo Ranger and Hazy little thing a 6.5/10.
Generally curious about how much date code “freshness” falls upon the breweries or distributors responsibility? Supermarkets in the southern Ohio area tend to be extremely hit or miss on beer date code “freshness”.
Video idea: I don't know what you have on hand but it would be super interesting to see you do a blind tasting of, say, Julius that's fresh vs one month old vs two months old vs six months old vs 1 yr old. It would help to give us all some perspective on how quickly beer deteriorates, and by how much
Julius fresh vs. a month it will get a bit softer. 1-2 months often indistinguishable. Degradation from there linear u til sox months where it becomes something we don’t want to drink. Refrigeration 100% of the time is essential. The idea that our style of beer has an aggressive drop off after a certain length of time is not our experience at all and most folks here blindly prefer it blindly between 4-12 weeks
I would love to see a Bock review. Lonestar owns the rights to national beer of Texas but Shiner Bock is as Texas as beer can get. I would love to see it compared to others in the style!
Do a comparison/ranking of the top beers of Central Mass breweries!
Tree House - Julius, Wormtown - Be hoppy, Greater Good - Pulp Daddy, Redemption Rock - War Castle, etc...
Great content
Why no treehouse in western Canada? Let me help facilitate it and get it on our shelves.
New Belgium makes a hazy called voodoo ranger juice force and that is the one you want if you want a full flavored hazy from New Belgium
Good stuff!
Don't you serve your hazys in clear glass pint glasses at your spots? I hear you on the uv exposure, but how you square that? Real question, should you serve your IPAs on draft at all? Can't wait for that vid you teased at the end.
Afternoon Nate!
RE: Sun Struck - how long does it take. I've heard opinions that it won't affect a beer in the time it takes to drink it. Maybe an idea for a video - blind tasting with a couple beers with ( 10 - 15 min) sun exposure/without? You'd have to keep them at the same temperature.
direct sunlight within seconds, indirect you’re fine for a few
There’s a commercial approach. How about a non commercially available IPA. Root + branch, other half, monkish, troon, foam, oakflower, mortalis. This would be great!
Do you differentiate between a NEIPA and a Hazy IPA? In my opinion, a NEIPA brings the creamy mouthfeel (fluffiness) as you called it. Whereas a Hazy IPA is just a ‘hazy’ IPA with maybe some tropical fruit notes.
One day people will realize exactly how great Sierra Nevada is.
I think they get forgotten because they've been around so long. I know when I was doing brewing competitions 12-15 years ago, SN's pale was the "control" sample for that style. Any time I grab it I'm also impressed again, and wonder why it's so long between buying a case. Just so many beers to try and it's easy to forget the old standby, even if it's the exact definition of the style.
i think people are complaining just to have something to complain about now😂
ive newly come over to the ipa world (i try not to discriminate) and so far hazy ipa is my favorite style. im not a big fan at all of west coast ipas.
i tried the deschutes from last video and it was ok. i liked the flavors but the bitterness was a killer for me.
ill keep and eye out for the sierra nevada brew, i like other styles from them so theyre probably a nice pick
I live in Ontario, Canada - some great local beers up here (including a plethora of of Hazy IPA's). If I make a drive down to Tree House, what beers should I bring along for you to taste?
where is your shirt from?
turtleson, we have them here with the tree house brand at the merch shop
WOW the pre-poured sample B got SUPER oxidized, look at that color
Date code can also be frustrating as a consumer in that you often see no date, “best by” date (by whose standard?) or a packaged on date. I feel packaged on date should be universal. I’ve often seen hazy IPAs with best by dates 6 months out.
I appreciate your insights on supermarket hazy IPAs and the glass vs. can debate. Two comments:
1. You mentioned that pouring beer in a glass can cause light strike, affecting the flavor. While it's true that light can impact beer quality, it's interesting to note that most beer has been poured into glasses for the last hundred years. If glass is such a detriment, why does Treehouse sell glasses? It seems like there's a balance to be struck between tradition and innovation.
2. I respect your stance on not favoring any brewery and being objective in your reviews. It's clear you have a refined palate and are sensitive to oxidation, which is crucial for enjoying fresh beer. However, for those of us who don't live near one of the five Treehouse locations and can't frequently visit, not to mention can’t purchase your beers…how should we navigate our beer choices? Any tips for enjoying supermarket IPAs or other accessible options would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks for the honest review and for sharing your passion for great beer!
As a consumer you should **absolutely** check date codes. But as an objective observer judging what is put out into the world we are pulling what we can get
glasses are best used indoors! when outside indirect light is an order of magnitude better
For an unsolicited reply on #2, as a craft beer fan, just visit your local brewery. These days you can barely throw a rock and not hit two. Although very few reach the level of Tree House there are plenty of good local breweries out there to purchase fresh beer. They could also use the support like a lot of small local businesses out there.
Living the life. 👍
I don’t particularly like “session IPAs” since all examples I’ve tried just seem watered down, but I’d still love to see beers like Founders All Day IPA featured in a future comparison video! Feel free to give us home brewers pointers on how you’d construct a session IPA that doesn’t have a thin body or muted flavor profile 😎
Honestly have never found a mass market hazy that I've really liked. Drink local!
[All of this was written before watching reveal, just off of which were shown initially] Sierra Nevada hazy is a really good beer for mass market. Voodoo ranger decent, just sometimes a little cloying and muted. Next for me would be oskar blues, it's fine but it wouldn't be my first choice. And early on I used to like sixpoint but meh, really really not a fan anymore.
TH-cam channel idea: can Nate become a master cicerone. I feel like if anyone had a shot it’s him.
to be honest, it wasnt as interesting for me as a viewer not know what beer you were trying as you tried them. However I did like you doing the blind taste first then pouring it in the glass, that was neat.
that daytona tho...
I just watched the previous video and was about to make the "sample A, sample B, sample C..." suggestion! Thanks other random guy in comments for making it!
Hazy Little Thing is okay, but not the biggest fan of the choice of yeast used.
I guessed right !!!!
I’ve tried all but one , and I was on point .
I've both critiqued and complimented videos from this channel a lot over the last year. This one falls into a similar bracket as other critiques I've had, especially the German Lager one. If you read the comments, it's pretty clear most people don't know what you mean by "cardboard" and "oxidative." And/or they don't understand the impact of freshness on a beer. The rant at the end is fine, defensible, but it is essentially acknowledging the issue. Depending on where you are, what store you go to, and how popular the beer you're buying is, it will dramatically change the outcome of a taste test like this. Or put another way, you're really only rating your lottery pick of how fresh the beer you bought that particular day and from that particular store was. It's close to pointless. I've seen your beer sitting on the shelves of small beer store near Atlanta at room temp, well over 6 months old. Would it be fair for me to get on TH-cam and "rate" it. I just don't think so. I've had Treehouse beer fresh, it is absolutely phenomenal. World class beer. I've had those German lagers fresh from the brewery as well. World class lager.
Dude... your drink from a can, when you have a teku glass... in your hand! You are also in the shade! No sunlight will effect your beer, in the time you pour it and taste it... also drinking from a can means you are getting the wrost experience as far as volatile aromas
Sincerely - a Concerned Certified Cicerone
Sixpoint resin ,,, a lot like heady if you ask me
These videos are better when we know what the beers are while you’re tasting.
thanks for the feedback!
@@treehousebrewcothanks for the killer videos
This is my favorite version of the taste test. Well done...and always UP THE CHELSEA!
That was fun! I liked the revel at the end where we all found out at the same time. As far as the date codes go I’d say it’s more like grabbing the freshest gallon of milk… you’re not going to drive all around town to find the “freshest” but I will grab the one that has the best date. And I’d imagine any craft beer drinker might be doing the same thing Just a thought….
I love sierra nevada hazy beers. But I don't think any of them are truly hazy in their presentation. More like hybrids.
My biggest problem is freshness from the supermarket.
I get what you are saying in regards to like when you buy like yogurt at the supermarket, but say a company like Hood, isnt going to go around to every supermarket to make sure everything on the shelf is properly dated, thats on the store to pull product when its out dated and also to be ordering based upon how quickly the turnover rate is for the yogurt, as to always maintain the freshest quality possible. So how can you blame a brewery for a supermarkets lack of ability make sure the beer section is properly dated as well the lack of caring because in theory beer never really "goes bad" like you could get seriously ill from it. Might taste bad, but thats about as far as it gets. I guess they could hold the supermarkets to a higher standard to their product, but im not sure how feasible that actually is.
"I smell and drink fresh beer all day every day."