This video is a collaboration between people all over the world, thank you to them for making this happen: www.pssound.co.uk/ www.bladeice.com/ audiostatus.lt/ hepaking.com
Crazy undertaking, and to think this is a small sample of all the different drivers available. I would take notes on your test setup, even a video for yourself, so maybe in the future you can do this test with another batch of drivers and have direct comparisons.
@RAW-CAt Possibly, but it would be a pretty small horn, and I'm guessing it would'nt have a great amount of influence. In any case, for an apples to apples comparison all the drivers will have the same bais, and you'll at least be eliminating a variable if you place the drivers on the front of the baffle. Also, with this method, you could probably group the speakers in two or three groups and most probably only have to make two or three baffles with different holes to suit the size of the cone
I had the dome mid 3.5 inch from Peerless. I was very pleased with them, quite cheap made and cheap to buy, but they do sound nice, measure pretty nice needing just a few bands of eq and the stage is very wide because of the dome design. Now i have the Utopia 3.5WM and i thought you have them in this test 😁. Anyway thanks for making this nice videos for us, i am quite excited for the Joying hu tests.
Peter at pssound installed the brax ml3 in my mk4 golf gti last November, upgraded to a 3way front from 2way. Really impressed with them ,sound really smooth. My system has come a long way since Peter rescued it after a appalling installation. He's just finished building some stunning midbass door enclosures for me , what a difference this has made to my system.
If you want to do them flush - how about you face mount them in the MDF, then get some polystyrene ceiling tiles and use a craft knife to cut out the driver shape and just use double sided tape to fix it to the MDF baffle.
Watching this while listening to my Fostex desktop speakers, excited to see what you think of those in comparison to everything else as I have another set I might be putting in my car.
With the odd shapes, you should make a baffle and mount the drivers in-set into the baffle and make a beauty ring to cover and seal. This is what they expect a manufacturer to do
Agreed, also I am curious to see on-axis response as well as off-axis response and hopefully he can maybe simulate off-axis reflecting off glass. Each of these drivers will behave differently in each of these configurations.
21:40 make a square/circle that is removable from the main baffle, then create multiples and flush mount the drivers to one each, or if some have identical flanges you can re-use a square/circle. Lots of work due to the number of drivers, but usually that's how people do it. Another option is to create a baffle faceplate to stick on so that you only have to cut out a shape instead of routing. But then you have much larger multiple pieces. Could make it out of foam core board and cut with knife after tracing driver outer edge.
Cool, perfect that you also do a break in!, please try the faitalpro 4", before and after, because I think that driberwill change about 20 to 30 Hz, before and after :-)
Wow, what a nice collection you have there ! :) But I am interested about some other models, from a few other brands too, like the Blam Live, Signature and Multix line, also Micro Precision 5, 7 and Z line, Helix i3 , i5 and i7 and maybe something from Morell and Accuton would be cool too :D
Make 2 most common outer diameter (1 large and 1 medium) + 3d print adapter rings. Drawing on cad will be faster than routing multiple holes. You can print with 20% infill. If you ever need to stuff rings or holes due to use of adapters, can use playdough or bluetac.
This is going to be a lot of work! It will certainly be interesting, and I appreciate you doing this. Where are you located? I have a feeling it's not in the US, if so, I could possibly make this a little easier for you. My approach would be one large baffle with an opening for a smaller insert, maybe a 6"x6" or 8"x8". The smaller inserts would be cut to mount the different drivers in. I'm thinking 1/2" MDF since it's just midrange drivers, should be adequate. I could cut the inserts for you on the CNC but if we live oceans apart, the shipping might get a little pricey. BTW, if I can help, I would be supplying one more driver for the testing, the SB Acoustics SB12MNRX2-25-04. It's close in size to the two larger ones you already have planned and based on specs, should fair pretty well in this shootout.
I'd like to see the Ground Zero GZTM 100NEO included, it's one of the shallowest midranges you can get and it's quite premium for the low price, phase plug and neodymium magnet and all.
If I knew you were doing this I would’ve sent you a pair of Audiofrog mids I have. I also have the Dayton Rs75 in my daily car. I’m really interested to see the results of that. Most everything else in the Dayton Reference series measures well, especially for the price point here in the states.
Please tell us the enclosure you have 'em in and what is the volume? On axis, I'm guessing, but what location? I'm asking because I have a pair that were in fiberglass pods on the dash where it meets A-pillar and I wasn't thrilled, so took 'em out.
@@csj9619 I have them in a 2016 VW Golf in small custom enclosures mounted on the dash. I'm currently running them crossed over from 400hz all the way up. I'm approximately 15 degrees off axis. I'm using them with a Dayton dsp and a Focal AP 4340. I also got them on sale for $20 each a few years ago. Perfect? Not by any means. They do way better than anything in that price range should. I always suggest making scrap enclosures and listening from different angles and locations. You may find a spot that serves them better.
can you do something similar with midbass drivers as well? I personally run Steg MSS6's, Micro Precision 5.8's, and Mundorf amtu80's for my front stage, but a close friends of mine, who isn't into SQ builds at all, would be okay with dropping *a little* on a nice sounding system after hearing mine. I have to go almost HYPER budget, as he needs a full system. So with the non-negotiable elements of a DSP and amps eating a lot of the budget right off the bat, I'm trying to find some awesome budget drivers. So far I think I'm locked in on the Faital Pro 4FE32/8's for mids, and SB Acoustics SB29's for tweets. For midbass I've found the Goldwood GW-6-PC-4's, which on paper look like pretty good IB drivers, but the $40 price scares me, and I'm really curious about distortion and real world response. Your effort is so much appreciated! A google doc with prices and your test results would be UNBELIEVEABLY helpful.
Will u test all of them in ib?(or big sealed) Yes i know that ib is the best for low distortion when designing a driver, but i believe that least 2-3 drivers from that table are designed for small sealed pods
I almost thought thoes Styrofoam boxes look like silver flutes? (Then i saw how small these drivers are) silver flutes are amazing for the price. a pair is around 50$ in the 5.25" 60$ for the 6.5".. wool fiber cones.
Price is a little higher these days but yea silverflutes are quite cheap and Do really well. They don't really like tonplay 2way but for a 3way setup they work well
A little surprised not seeing some Tang Band or Alpair drivers... they're usually very performing and not much expensive... most can be defined even "cheap" anyway Q/P is always rather high.
Three of the big hitters are missing from this group. Utopia 3.5wm, DynAudio E430 and believe it or not, the Xcelsus XXM325. I would also throw in the Audible Physics RG100 and Morel MM3 and even the MM2.
Well 95% of the use cases these midranges will be installed in open back A pillars or dash locations. Very rarely someone will use enclosures or pods for them. So I disagree with you.
@@RAW-CAt In car audio, midrange drivers are usually made for 2 things, small 0.3l pods or big sealed where the enclosure wont affect the driver suspension. dor or dash.
These smaller size midranges will be used in 3 way component sets and most would be in a small pod with a tweeter next to it. These should all be tested in a small cup pod. If you were doing 6.5" mids i agree they most likely will end up in doors so the ib setup would be best.
I make my own speakers(boombox) including the subwoofer driver. They sound better and louder than jbl Boombox. Most expensive subwoofer driver ive got is around 12$. I wish i had atleast one of yours. Just wondering how nice it will sound.
Domes still have their place, they are generally more forgiving to off-axis installations but you'll sacrifice lower freq response and/or overall output.
Probably you noticed that these drivers are not mine and are sent to me by other people. If you want something tested feel free to contact me and send it to me.
Your videos are great . This might help you . Hifi vector audio reviewed a DSP recently.DSP name “marts btx8” from Brazil company only $140 dollars . I hope this helps . Matt
I swear that Dayton Audio with the copper phase plug was a H.A.T. until you introduced it and noticed its origin of manufacture, what is the world (of car audio) coming to? don't tell me because the answer is "the end", I already know after seeing that, which I believed was over in 2002 at least in America with the big brands back then.
Apologies for that. Probably you have noticed that I have a very inexperienced production crew and my team is focusing on the content rather than visuals. In all seriousness, I shoot free hand with my phone, I can't allow myself to invest into video equipment. Maybe try just listening with no video?
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Please include dome drivers as well 🙏
Well I was about to type the same thing… glad I’m not the only one with this mindset
I agree, I'll pass on the cones, domes are better...
Very exciting! Thank you for all the hard work, this is a very daunting task.
Thank You Sir. Thats alot of Money and Time. I dont take THIS for GRANTED
This is awesome ive been waiting a long time to find someone who would test all the Aliexpress midrange speakers
This is something I've been waiting for for so long!!
I really love this channel. I'm learning so much from your videos! Thank you so much! Watching and loving al of your videos from Italy!
Dont leave out the domes man I like them quite a bit
Crazy undertaking, and to think this is a small sample of all the different drivers available.
I would take notes on your test setup, even a video for yourself, so maybe in the future you can do this test with another batch of drivers and have direct comparisons.
Yep, that is what I am palning to do👍
So cool! The video we've all been waiting for! Thanks to you and all those involved!
This is gonna be a great resource, thank you.
Wow this is amazing I can’t wait to see the results.
Looking forward to the results. I love this kind of stuff, thanks
The results are up, look a few videos in front👍
You are becoming one of my favorite informative car audio channels,can’t wait to see the full content
Amazing hard work. Thank you so much.
Make one baffle and cut the smallest hole first, measure the smaller drivers first and then make the hole bigger as you go up in size of the drivers.
Also, maybe mount them on the back of the baffle and chamfer the front of the hole with a large angle to reduce reflections
Yes, that is the most likely option I will go for. Problem is that it's difficult to enlarge a hole with a router..
Not sure about that. If using thicker baffle, the chamfer might act as a "horn"🤷 not sure. Needs testing.
@RAW-CAt Possibly, but it would be a pretty small horn, and I'm guessing it would'nt have a great amount of influence. In any case, for an apples to apples comparison all the drivers will have the same bais, and you'll at least be eliminating a variable if you place the drivers on the front of the baffle. Also, with this method, you could probably group the speakers in two or three groups and most probably only have to make two or three baffles with different holes to suit the size of the cone
Labas cia sitas super comparison🎉🤝🤝🤝 aciu uz laika 👊
crazy! thank you so much love your work!!
Thank you for doing this!! For science and entertainment!
This is an amazing effort
I had the dome mid 3.5 inch from Peerless. I was very pleased with them, quite cheap made and cheap to buy, but they do sound nice, measure pretty nice needing just a few bands of eq and the stage is very wide because of the dome design. Now i have the Utopia 3.5WM and i thought you have them in this test 😁. Anyway thanks for making this nice videos for us, i am quite excited for the Joying hu tests.
Wow, big job!!!
Hello from Germany! Can't wait to see the measurements.
What a great project!
Would love to see some focals but still awesome content man! Can't wait to see how this compares!
Peter at pssound installed the brax ml3 in my mk4 golf gti last November, upgraded to a 3way front from 2way. Really impressed with them ,sound really smooth. My system has come a long way since Peter rescued it after a appalling installation. He's just finished building some stunning midbass door enclosures for me , what a difference this has made to my system.
I have been following your build, very nice to see it being recovered.
Where can we see the build?
I wanted to build 6" in the kicks but there is a lot of wiring. Installing them in the door is a better option...
@@explorinlearnindoing5462 PSSound. Peter is working on this one.
@@RAW-CAt Okay nice
Great work!
Interesting testing man, congrats
this is going to be awesome.
Thanks for an amazing video
If you want to do them flush - how about you face mount them in the MDF, then get some polystyrene ceiling tiles and use a craft knife to cut out the driver shape and just use double sided tape to fix it to the MDF baffle.
That is a very good idea, thanks 👍
@AudioFlat
was thinking the same thing 👍
You are the man!!💥💪
Big like for the diversity of the speakers!
The Dayton neo woofer is low SPL.
Driving a 6" passive radiator , is the only use I have found for them. 😊
Watching this while listening to my Fostex desktop speakers, excited to see what you think of those in comparison to everything else as I have another set I might be putting in my car.
Was hoping to see utopia and thesis, maybe in another video.
Amazing job 👍🏼keep bringing more content like this
Interested in seeing how the One Audio performs, i've been looking at them as a replacement for my Faitals
The culture owes you so much ur a beast 💪💪💪
Adamım harikasın merakla bekliyorum videolarını. bravo
EPIC!
Looking forward to some results.....I was struggle to define my midrange these days. Will be perfect to me.
Be cool to see some CDT Audio drivers in there.
Lookin forward to the testing! Thank you!
Muy interesante , ya quiero ver los resultados 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
Awesome stuff, if you can get hold of any it would be interesting to see some MP 5 series and audible physics rg100s compared to these other drivers
Unfortunately no one has audible physics drivers 🤷 i had the MPs but had to send them back as they were needed for an install.
With the odd shapes, you should make a baffle and mount the drivers in-set into the baffle and make a beauty ring to cover and seal. This is what they expect a manufacturer to do
Agreed, also I am curious to see on-axis response as well as off-axis response and hopefully he can maybe simulate off-axis reflecting off glass. Each of these drivers will behave differently in each of these configurations.
Very nice first video, looking forward to the rest, I feel there is one important one missing. the Xcelsus XXM325 Spiderless
21:40 make a square/circle that is removable from the main baffle, then create multiples and flush mount the drivers to one each, or if some have identical flanges you can re-use a square/circle.
Lots of work due to the number of drivers, but usually that's how people do it.
Another option is to create a baffle faceplate to stick on so that you only have to cut out a shape instead of routing. But then you have much larger multiple pieces. Could make it out of foam core board and cut with knife after tracing driver outer edge.
Cool, perfect that you also do a break in!, please try the faitalpro 4", before and after, because I think that driberwill change about 20 to 30 Hz, before and after :-)
Let me grab my studio headphones!
Wow, what a nice collection you have there ! :) But I am interested about some other models, from a few other brands too, like the Blam Live, Signature and Multix line, also Micro Precision 5, 7 and Z line, Helix i3 , i5 and i7 and maybe something from Morell and Accuton would be cool too :D
Everything is comparable. You just end up picking the ones that suit your needs.
Please do the domes too. Because they fill the gap where you need a mid with limited backspace
Make 2 most common outer diameter (1 large and 1 medium) + 3d print adapter rings. Drawing on cad will be faster than routing multiple holes. You can print with 20% infill.
If you ever need to stuff rings or holes due to use of adapters, can use playdough or bluetac.
This is going to be a lot of work! It will certainly be interesting, and I appreciate you doing this. Where are you located? I have a feeling it's not in the US, if so, I could possibly make this a little easier for you. My approach would be one large baffle with an opening for a smaller insert, maybe a 6"x6" or 8"x8". The smaller inserts would be cut to mount the different drivers in. I'm thinking 1/2" MDF since it's just midrange drivers, should be adequate. I could cut the inserts for you on the CNC but if we live oceans apart, the shipping might get a little pricey. BTW, if I can help, I would be supplying one more driver for the testing, the SB Acoustics SB12MNRX2-25-04. It's close in size to the two larger ones you already have planned and based on specs, should fair pretty well in this shootout.
Thanks for the offer. I am located in the UK, so not close. I am planning to do something with removable inserts as you sugested👍
I'd like to see the Ground Zero GZTM 100NEO included, it's one of the shallowest midranges you can get and it's quite premium for the low price, phase plug and neodymium magnet and all.
If you have one to spare for a couple of weeks, I can include it into the test😉
If I knew you were doing this I would’ve sent you a pair of Audiofrog mids I have. I also have the Dayton Rs75 in my daily car. I’m really interested to see the results of that. Most everything else in the Dayton Reference series measures well, especially for the price point here in the states.
Please tell us the enclosure you have 'em in and what is the volume? On axis, I'm guessing, but what location? I'm asking because I have a pair that were in fiberglass pods on the dash where it meets A-pillar and I wasn't thrilled, so took 'em out.
@@csj9619 I have them in a 2016 VW Golf in small custom enclosures mounted on the dash. I'm currently running them crossed over from 400hz all the way up. I'm approximately 15 degrees off axis. I'm using them with a Dayton dsp and a Focal AP 4340. I also got them on sale for $20 each a few years ago. Perfect? Not by any means. They do way better than anything in that price range should. I always suggest making scrap enclosures and listening from different angles and locations. You may find a spot that serves them better.
i would say flush mount 1 driver to see what the difference is. is the difference worth testing.
Yeah, worth testing it out🤔
@@RAW-CAtif not flush mounted you should address the ripple of the baffle dimension for each driver so people know
This should be good 👍🏿
What was the big dome w/grille ? Was it a peerless driver as well ? I'd like to find a set.
That one is a no name chinese driver.
Highly interesting test. Can you please include sensitivity measurement also?
can you do something similar with midbass drivers as well? I personally run Steg MSS6's, Micro Precision 5.8's, and Mundorf amtu80's for my front stage, but a close friends of mine, who isn't into SQ builds at all, would be okay with dropping *a little* on a nice sounding system after hearing mine. I have to go almost HYPER budget, as he needs a full system. So with the non-negotiable elements of a DSP and amps eating a lot of the budget right off the bat, I'm trying to find some awesome budget drivers. So far I think I'm locked in on the Faital Pro 4FE32/8's for mids, and SB Acoustics SB29's for tweets. For midbass I've found the Goldwood GW-6-PC-4's, which on paper look like pretty good IB drivers, but the $40 price scares me, and I'm really curious about distortion and real world response. Your effort is so much appreciated! A google doc with prices and your test results would be UNBELIEVEABLY helpful.
I can do anything as long as I have drivers provided and enough time.
Will u test all of them in ib?(or big sealed) Yes i know that ib is the best for low distortion when designing a driver, but i believe that least 2-3 drivers from that table are designed for small sealed pods
I will test all of them under the same conditions. On a large open baffle.
we want the domes too
This video is going to inflate prices
Dome Drivers are Awesome with the woofers
I almost thought thoes Styrofoam boxes look like silver flutes? (Then i saw how small these drivers are) silver flutes are amazing for the price. a pair is around 50$ in the 5.25" 60$ for the 6.5".. wool fiber cones.
Price is a little higher these days but yea silverflutes are quite cheap and Do really well. They don't really like tonplay 2way but for a 3way setup they work well
A little surprised not seeing some Tang Band or Alpair drivers... they're usually very performing and not much expensive... most can be defined even "cheap" anyway Q/P is always rather high.
Three of the big hitters are missing from this group. Utopia 3.5wm, DynAudio E430 and believe it or not, the Xcelsus XXM325. I would also throw in the Audible Physics RG100 and Morel MM3 and even the MM2.
Yes, that is true! Unfortunately I have to work with what I have and with what was supplied to me. Beggars can't be choosers😂
I have a hybrid audio u1 tweeter I can post to you if you want it !
I damaged the other one removing it from last build 😂
A comparison as fair as possible needs to be made with a specific enclosure for each driver. As the parameters tells you! At least for the qtc
Well 95% of the use cases these midranges will be installed in open back A pillars or dash locations. Very rarely someone will use enclosures or pods for them. So I disagree with you.
@@RAW-CAtopen a pillar, that s weird
@@RAW-CAt In car audio, midrange drivers are usually made for 2 things, small 0.3l pods or big sealed where the enclosure wont affect the driver suspension. dor or dash.
@@RAW-CAtWhat s your opinion about qtc?
These smaller size midranges will be used in 3 way component sets and most would be in a small pod with a tweeter next to it. These should all be tested in a small cup pod. If you were doing 6.5" mids i agree they most likely will end up in doors so the ib setup would be best.
Build 2 closed boxes 10L and 1L, take measurements of each driver in "open baffle" and cup like condition.
Why? We know what is happening in a small pods with the drivers. It's a universal characteristic of a small pod.
Helix midrange speakers any good ?
I guess we will see 🙃
What’s the word on the xcelsus xxm325. People love them on the forums but I have yet to see test data.
Whats the biggest car audio mistake you've made? Mine was not vacuuming my box b4 installing sub and metal dust ruined my brand new bass
I was trying to adjust the gain on an amp that was installed upside down. So instead of going down, It went up burning my components in the process
Mostly all cones, a couple domes....you need to include a BMR to round things out. Just a suggestion.
Never seen anyone use a BMR in a car🤷
Rad. Do you like the Pioneer / carrozzeria prs? Ts z
wow, this video is better then sex.. can’t wait to see the series develop #SQlife
I want all😅
I make my own speakers(boombox) including the subwoofer driver. They sound better and louder than jbl Boombox. Most expensive subwoofer driver ive got is around 12$. I wish i had atleast one of yours. Just wondering how nice it will sound.
Hi do you do mobile tuning
Yes I do. Pop an email to rawcaraudiotuning@gmail.com
7:46 Peter from PS Sound?
Yes.
please do not discard domes.
i think we all understand they are different and it will be interesting to see how they measure.
Domes still have their place, they are generally more forgiving to off-axis installations but you'll sacrifice lower freq response and/or overall output.
I was like "Cool, I see a Fostex!".. then I see it say just 5 watts. Me... 😑
You don't really need more than that with that efficiency.
Missing ETON 😢
Not missing, just no one provided me with one🤷
Wish someone sent you some Xcelsus xxm325 mids.
Do da domes
no audiofrog??
No Stereo Integrity either. What he's got to go through is already insane !
As I mentioned on FB - there is always round 2🙃
Plz add morel MM3, JL c7 as well.
Probably you noticed that these drivers are not mine and are sent to me by other people. If you want something tested feel free to contact me and send it to me.
@@RAW-CAt would like to send both the drivers and some more for testing. Thanks
@@SachinGupta-mb3pz contact me rawcaraudiotuning@gmail.com
MOREL snubbed how unfortunate .....
sounds test please
Not gonna happen mate.
Pushing these expensive (or any) drivers with thumb can only d.umb mor-on.
Not sure what tyou mean by that🤔
Your videos are great . This might help you . Hifi vector audio reviewed a DSP recently.DSP name “marts btx8” from Brazil company only $140 dollars . I hope this helps . Matt
If you are going to compare 2.5" driver to a 4" driver, don't see the point of excluding the dome drivers also.
I swear that Dayton Audio with the copper phase plug was a H.A.T. until you introduced it and noticed its origin of manufacture, what is the world (of car audio) coming to? don't tell me because the answer is "the end", I already know after seeing that, which I believed was over in 2002 at least in America with the big brands back then.
faital is best for this price.
Ffs not another video i cant watch. Why do the chest cam that moves about continously. It triggers my vertigo.
Apologies for that. Probably you have noticed that I have a very inexperienced production crew and my team is focusing on the content rather than visuals. In all seriousness, I shoot free hand with my phone, I can't allow myself to invest into video equipment. Maybe try just listening with no video?