My thoughts are with you today and as long as your efforts continue peacefully your courage will be rewarded. We are with you and all of your countrymen. I hope this content inspires change and solidarity in North Americans.
VICE News traveled to Hong Kong and embedded with the students leading the pro-democracy movement. "The Sunflower Revolt: Protests in Taiwan" - bit.ly/1uhSoF0 "China Strikes Back: Talking Heads" - bit.ly/1wb8QKJ
When the country is invaded, these will be the people that will stay and fight for the country but not the leaders who will be the first to flee to another country with their money.
But HK is NOT a country! And it has already been part of China before it was leased to The British. Unfortunately through the course of history, The Communists took over China!
I am moved by this. I am ashamed of my fellow Americans for they are weak willed and are too arrogant to see the corruption. I wish these Hong Kongers success with every ounce of my being. Good luck to all of you and keep fighting.
I wouldn't say Americans are arrogant. I would just say the propaganda machine in America is much stronger than it is in Hong Kong. Which is true. Americans are mostly brainwashed. When we had our chance to speak up the propaganda machine berated #OWS again and again. People bought into it. Saying "they do not have a clear message" when they had a very clear message, it just takes more than 30 seconds to explain, and o baby boomers (old people) weren't having it. they made it look like a circus and so nothing got done from the protests alone. I am glad the occupy movement started to do actual things on the ground now,but that doesn't get media attention.
lordblazer That is because the government doesn't want to spread it. They want to keep it quiet so no one will join the fight against the capitalist pigs.
I don't care about the government or anything right now, say what you will but living in America is great.the fact that you typed this on a computer shows how much we have.
I think that most people in America just aren't aware of the issue. I have supported this issue for some time know and I only know about it from the internet. the media only reports on the story's they think will get them the most viewership and even then they don't stay on it to long. I myself have done as much as I can to spread the word of this were I live and I have found people who were unaware of this but took great interest. if more people were made aware of this and someone organized people to show support in some way then I think America and other country's could show the people of Hong Kong that they have supporters across the world.
I don't understand why the British Gouverment is not acting to that after all they promissed to help and hold on to the intrests of Hongkong even after they gave up the colony. What china is doing is a shame and it is dissapointing to see that there is no official support from europe
Well obviously then you did not understand the main principle of diplomacty, both china and Great Britain have agreed to stay true to the interests of Hong Kong, now China has unfortunatly acted against what you would call a free election and a free mind of speach for the people of hong kong. They now need to sit together to find a solution no one is asking to start a bloody war because of this.
I can't understand all of the negative comments towards the protesters. Hong Kong people deserve the right to be able to choose their own leader and direction. Democracy will work well in Hong Kong because the people are generally well educated. By any measurement you will be better off living in the United States than in China. I have been to China and Hong Kong. You can't even bring a newspaper from Hong Kong to China the government control is that great. Stay strong Hong Kong!
Really great docu, once of VICE's best. I haven't seen this host before but she very intelligently went about showing real opinions and cleverly exposed the mainland's counterprotest for what it is.
truly heartbreaking. seeing the sadness and defeat in so many of the hong kongers young eyes makes me sad. if you live in hong kong, and reading this, my heart goes out to you and do not lose hope. stay strong.
The counter protesters were all speaking mandarin chinese lol.... clearly they were shipped in from the main land. You would think the they would at least ship in people from Guangzhou to pass off as legit hong kongers. In fact, protesters have been attacked by giant groups of middle aged men... men speaking putonghua. In a city full of people speaking Cantonese, where do you think busloads of middle aged putonghua speaking men come from?
nubemuffin I pretty much know how politics is in this city that others don't know.The locals born hong konger pro china party forms the majority of district and legislative councils.Before british give back hong kong to china,there were already local born hong kongers making ties with the central government so again it's hong konger screwing hong- konger.
Obama was only in power a short time, and will be gone soon. Tzar putin has been dictator of russia for a generation, and will stay in power for the foreseeable future....
Hong Kong was better off as a British overseas territory. Extensions on the lease of the territory from the mainland had been negotiated in the past and it should have been done again. To hand it over to the hands of Chinese Communist Party was a crime, any semblance of a free society will inevitably be crushed.
You're factually wrong. Hong Kong has doubled its GDP per capita (PPP) since 1997. It has experienced the fastest economic growth in its history during the Chinese rule.
Hong Kong is a banking and investment center and the primary one for mainland China. As mainland China's industrialization and development really only started to pick up in the previous few decades (90's) the growth in Hong Kong reflects the growth and increased investment in mainland China, not the change in governance of the city. Hong Kong itself (and Taiwan) already had their industrialization way back in the 1970's which the mainland itself would have experienced if it were not for their Communist economic policies setting them back decades. Furthermore, GDP alone is not what makes a place worth living in, the rights of the people of Hong Kong were far more assured under the protection of the U.K.
I am born and raised in hong kong China 🇨🇳 🇨🇳. Born post hand over in the early 1980s. It's sad that this young generation of Hong Kongers don't see and have no pride in their own culture and the growth and openning up of China. Too White washed with western ideology and forgot how Hong Kong came to be the Pearl of Asia. Its From the hard working, determined and never giving up generation of the 50s to 70s who made Hong Kong world renowned. Its separation from politics that gave Hong Kong its golden times back in the day. But now Hong Kong has falling into the dirtiness of politics and these Hong Kong teens used as a political tool from the west without even knowing it.
Oh I adore them. From their firm grip of English to their social maturity to their civility to how their peaceful protest was done perfectly right. Hong Kong, all oppression aside, seems like an intellectual' s paradise. I want to listen to everything they say.
As an American born Chinese person, I support the Hong Kong activists and their movement to bring full democracy to Hong Kong. I fear that China is slowly turning Hong Kong into just another satellite Communist Chinese city. I hope the Hong Kong people continue to find the courage and strength to protest and stand up to the Chinese government. This may be their last chance.
Come to the U.S. we have democracy you just have to pay $40,000 a year tuition, and if you get a job, good luck paying that off for the rest of you life. Democracy is eventually going to fail at some point in the future.
The only wrong thing I see Beijing is doing wrong to Hongkong is the one country two systems and the problem is not on "one country" but on "two systems".
15:21 was kinda funny when she asked the police guy. She was like, "are you listening to him?" and the cop was like "no". made me laugh a little. I feel bad for both sides.
Great report Isobel Yeung. Credit to you for sticking it out for so many hours. Keep it up, and i look forward to your future reports. Gained one Sub from me.
Thank you for sharing. I have so much respect for these students. They are incredibly strong and I respect their cause so much. I will definitely learn more.
This program and the host do a good job of conveying a street level perspective of the Occupy movement, but the picture is incomplete and lacking historical context (which I suppose is a shortcoming of the Vice formula where reporters breeze in and out of a place for a segment). I live in Hong Kong and am in favour of democracy, however the decision behind the election framework was made in Beijing, so the protestors need to be realistic about what can be achieved from this standoff with the local government (which deserves some criticism, but is 2000km from the actual seat of power). One couldn't help but feel inspired by the massive and peaceful turnout in the first few days of the movement. But this program doesn't show how the crowds dwindled in many parts of the city in the following days & weeks, and yet the protest leaders refused to remove barricades that disrupted key transport arteries in the cramped territory, along with the livelihoods of working class people such as taxi drivers, delivery people and small shop owners. It has gone on for nearly 3 weeks. You can label a movement as being peaceful, but when it starts to threaten the livelihoods of people who live pay check to pay check, it is practically a form of violence. Even veteran pro-democracy politicians and former Tiananmen leaders have now appealed to the students to rethink their tactics. The root of local discontent is the high cost of living, extreme property prices and increasing competition from Mainland China, as well as a lack of a cultural integration. I'm pissed off about some of these things too. Let's take a deep breath and consider that many people in the world face much worse oppression and that police forces in advanced democracies have done a lot worse to protesters than the HK police. To be fair, HK has also benefitted tremendously from a number of Chinese economic policies. Yes, let's appeal for a more reasonable form of democracy, protest if you feel the need to, but an extended occupation of the streets is counter-productive and does no one any good.
I still don't get why not just arrest those who occupy the street and I'm not sure would any countries would allow protester occupying the street for weeks after weeks.
One news that recently got my attention is that the spokesman of HK protest just resigned because of the pressure of her family. She is a 17 year old high school girl. What do you expect from those teenagers going through puberty.
Not being racist or anything, it is a genetic trait passed down due to the structure of their eyes. The lids sit heavier on the eyeball, literally warping the eye and causing many issues with vision. The same is true for some families in Europe.
Lieutenant Fred It's usually a genetic problem, but not in this case. It's because they're inside studying so much and don't get enough time outside, so their eyes don't develop right. healthland.time.com/2012/05/07/why-up-to-90-of-asian-schoolchildren-are-nearsighted/
Democracy only works if the people are educated on the responsibility of what being democratic really means. A wise man once said: "With great power comes great responsibility." This applies especially to democracy. To put irresponsible people in power is a miscarriage of the democratic process. You are not supposed to put the village idiot in charge just because you can. This isn't high school, this is real life. The people in power in China are all extremely educated and intelligent people who did something with their lives. Many are engineers, physicists, rocket scientists, people who really accomplished something in their lives and pushed their minds their entire lives. Before they were leaders they built bridges, roads, dams, power plants. Some even built entire cities where slums of mud brick once stood. China at its' core is really a meritocracy. Only people of great merit are allowed to rule. That is all China is really asking of Hong Kong. They are not allowed to elect a moron. America honestly needs something like this. The last time America had a real man of merit as President was JFK. What did he do? He was a real life war hero. PT 109 they made a movie about it. He saved a dozen people's lives in an act of genuine valor. He understood war. He understood what asking a man to die was all about. This is why he kept us out of Vietnam when he was alive. He also had the far vision to put a man on the moon which was the last great accomplishment this country has ever made. The last ten elections in America have been a choice between a douche and turd sandwich. China can see this a plain as day. They don't want Hong Kong electing an "Obama." Here we have a man who has not one accomplishment to his name before being president. They don't want a "George W Bush" type fool in there either. Bush was a man cheated out of the draft and then sent a million men to war. What a complete phoney and horrid leader he was. The Chinese are not blind to this. As I said the Chinese leadership are very smart and understand there are bigger things at stake here. China is a 5000 year old civilization and they are not going to let it be ruined by some fly night student protest. China has created a brilliant compromise for Hong Kong. They can have their universal suffrage. They have their democracy and elections. But China will also insist that they take "responsibility" for their democracy. No democracy without Responsibility. 没有责任就没有民主
DemurerDread628 Your statement is typical of the small mindedness that is all to common in this country. Few can even conceive that there are people like me who would be moved to do something good without being paid for it. I am an intellectual and altruist. I write this for benefit of all good people who have the eyes to see and the ears to hear and want to live in a better world than the one that is currently presented to us. America is at best a mediocrity ruled by an inept and corrupt group of oligarchs who are the least capable, the least deserving, and the least effective rulers on the planet. I coin the term ineptocracy for what passes for government in this country. The protesters should really be here in America, in New York and in Washington DC. We really only have ourselves to blame for reelecting a congress with 11% approval rating. You call that a democracy. It is Idiocracy. China does not want this for their people and neither should America. We demand better.
This upload is full of Chinese propaganda conducted by terrified slaves of the establishment. The narrative of this particular comment is entirely irrational. Who defines "educated"? You? Or the Chinese government? Not to mention that all crimes against humanity in modern times have been lead by educated individuals...leader need ETHICS more than education...education is more important for those that follow the leaders and make their goals come true...
There should be an alliance in which people stand together to fight for democracy, human rights, and fight against dictatorship and totalitarianism. People cannot fight a powerful regime by themselves, but they can if they unite together and share the same ideas and wishes! Hong Kong activists should unite with activists from Taiwan, Mainland China, Thailand, Singapore, Ukraine, Russia, Venezuela and many more! We should dream bigger! Let the voices for democracy and humanity grow bigger and spread all over the world!
Can't believe that the Hong Kong Police Force in modern times are the Chief Executive's knights in shining armor not a typical police department that'll protect its citizens.
In a corrupted democracy, your votes are often bought, at a price. You at that moment, is a boss, to be begged for votes. You get stuffs from voting, which is almost the definition of the economy of democratic politics, although in a more shady and illegal way. In a "clean" autocracy (which never happened, the monopoly of power itself is the utmost corruption), the tyrant never need to give you any goodies for political legitimacy. All he needs is to give you a phone call, make you disappear, or jail you, or torture your lawyer and your family (happened on a daily basis in Mainland China), and you will subdue, and few if any one will ever know that you suffered because of information blockage. So, do you want a corrupted democracy, or a "clean" autocracy? Any one with common sense will choose the only correct choice. And I mean anyone, because even the tyrant himself are his friends are not safe, once they loose their power, or get old; because without the rule of law governed by the principles of human rights underpinned by democracy, no one is fundamentally safe. Look at what happened in Chinese political struggles currently. The old and retired members of even the central politburo were persecuted through pre-trial court trials by the dictator of the day Xi Jinping. And guess what would happen to Xi once he retire. I am a Mainland Chinese studying in HK, and I have the utmost respect and gratitude for the Hongkongese who took to the street in this movement, defending the freedom shared by me (and at this point, I can do nothing in return, but hide, against my conscience). I wish I could openly support you in any form, but too I am afraid, of the dictatorial regime that have the might to secretly persecute me, torture me, jail me and do the same to my family. Some supporters in Mainland China who supported Occupy Central openly were jailed, just because they took photos on their slogans and distributed on the internet, watched by the spies of the Chinese Communist Party. If HK is not free, then China is not free. What you are doing, young Hongkongese, is defending the last bit of freedom that China has. Keep on. You have friends in Mainland, in silence, with indignation and tears.
+Chen Alex thanks Alex you're one of very few Chinese that doesn't get all worked up whenever people criticise China. You love your country but it doesn't mean you have to love the government! Lots of Chinese these days can't tell difference between the two. Anyhow I wish you all the very best. Take good care of yourself.
I don't see why these people would have a legitimate issue (it's obviously Western backed movement). - In the past 10 years, 500,000,000 people (the equivalent population of the entire EU) has been raised into the Middle Class. - 7-10% GDP growth per year - China is no longer a country that under the control of outside powers. - Gradually increasing amount of rights to the Chinese people. - 4.1% Unemployment - Average Tuition rate of about $1,300 a year. I wish we had effective leadership like that in the US.
What you fail to realize is that Hong Kong is a Cantonese City and China is run by the Mandarin Chinese, it would be like Communist Russia taking possession of NYC.. Hong Kong already had one of the least corrupt most efficient governments in the world, China wants to move in and completely replace it with their authoritarian regime.
Are you serious? If China would get economic sanctions it's people would starve, so how is China no longer under control of outside powers. If China gets in U.S. way all U.S. need to do is stop importing Chinese goods and China can say farewell to it's economy. China is literally living thanks to U.S. And you obviously know nothing about political situation in China. China is artificially created mammoth which is kept together only through totalitarian means, if you would remove totalitarian rule from China it would collapse into dozens of small countries. Big China is great tool for the west, it provides cheap labour to western economy, it serves as good boogeyman on international stage (Chinese economy started it's rapid growth at the same time Soviet union collapsed), and it makes it much easier for U.S. to deal with pacific countries when those countries have huge Chinese army at their doorstep. I wouldn't say that leadership of puppet state is very effective.
Julius Johnson No one have any need to sanction China right now, west and China have very beneficial relations. But if China would start to get out of control economical loss would be far more desirable than political loss to west, because the greatest export that brings the most money to U.S. is political supremacy.
Nemanja Dragic China funds the US debt, if the Us sanctions China, they'll drop the dollar as the world reserve currency and force the US to make drastic budgest cuts
For 150 years, Hong Kong never demanded or protested once for democracy under British rule - Great Britain simply assigned governors to Hong Kong. So as much as I support the protesters' right to protest, it is incredibly hypocritical for the west to support democracy in Hong Kong (when they have not done so during those 150 years) and it is extremely naive of the students to think that somehow universal suffrage is a right because HK is so progressive. China, not unlike countries in the middle east, is not built for democracy, and the existing CCP will not be forced into any drastic changes. Additionally, under the Basic Law, it clearly states: "The Chief Executive of the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region shall be selected by election or through consultations held locally and be appointed by the Central People's Government. The method for selecting the Chief Executive shall be specified in the light of the actual situation in the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region and in accordance with the principle of gradual and orderly progress. The ultimate aim is the selection of the Chief Executive by universal suffrage upon nomination by a broadly representative nominating committee in accordance with democratic procedures." According to this, Beijing really hasn't done anything wrong when they said they will vet the candidates. Except the current chief exec fully supports Beijing, and not HK. What HK needs is a leader who is Hong Kongese - but he can't be fully supportive of HK without giving concession to what Beijing wants. So in that sense, the students have made their point but now it's time to have a realistic endgame.
But china have promised hong kong to eventually have universal suffrage which UK didn't promised it in the first place. UK also wanted hong kong to become a democracy before the hand over, but china was constantly putting pressure on them to not do that.
People of Hong Kong defend your freedom defend your home defend the things you love god bless you to those who are protesting for the withdrawl of the extradition bill know that you are doing the right thing by preserving democracy and freedom dont let anyone take that from you
These peoples passion! Its beautiful. And they arent just fighting for their freedom. They are fighting for all of us! They may not realize this, but their actions could mean that the world will be safer and more just place for innocent people across the world.
there are NO freedom but they could have freedom to mock the govt publicly without being arrested, jailed , beaten by police. they could occupy the street and used the HK law as shield to defend their right. they could give interview to foreign journalist without any harassment this is NOT freedom in HK? do they think that they had right to do such thing if govt say that it had cross the red line? they brag about " their bravery" - being outspoken, vocal against govt - they are hiding behind he HK law. do they had courage to do such thing if there are no law to protect their right.
I totaly support the pro democracy protests but please don't think that the police in the US or Europe would react in a different way. If you protests peacefully with umbrellas and masks in germany you will definitely get arrested and/or beat up. And in a lot of european countries the police is way more aggressive with the tear gas and battons than in Hong Kong. Not that i want to justify it but it's not only a chinese thing even though a lot of western media act as if they've never seen something like this. Normaly they just call it 'police has to defend city against rioters'.
topic aside, Hong Kong looks like a really nice city and surprisingly well developed, beautiful skyline, and I say this as somebody from England, it would be good to see this land one day, If only things were not as expensive to travel, I would go.
the whole HK Riots is childish and meaningless, CPC will not be affected in any way. The only reason of the students in HK were able to make such a noise is that CPC doesn't give a sh*t about the protesters. This video does have presented the voice from one side-- the easily incited, naive students. What about the common HK residents and biz people who wants to be simple and safe? What about the mainstream voices of the mainland China? The whole thing hurts only HK people, nothing else.
Xin Liu The people who want safe and prosperity are people who were brain washed by CPC,the people who want war, protest are the people who want democracy.That is what they want tell to Hongkonger.....
Foreign powers need to do something about this. The US says we support democracy around the world, but take no action to support it. We need to have talks with the Chinese and Honk-Kong governments. Taiwan should also support the protesting HKers and the UN needs to send observers to monitor the Chinese police actions against the protesters.
tsar s The US supports democracy, around the world, but doesn't do action about it. The problem with your rational is that you think everyone knows about democracy. In Saudi-Arabia, their current regime is probably more successful than a democracy in Saudi-Arabia would be. The Saudis have never experienced democracy and Capitalism, therefore, if they went from a totalitarian kingdom to a democracy, it would be chaos. Its just like what happened in Iraq and Afghanistan. The Afghans and Iraqis have never had a democracy, they don't understand it, and they aren't educated enough to vote for the right person. In a country like Saudi-Arabia, the winner of an election would be the one with the most propaganda. That's how Mao Zedong in China got all the uneducated peasants to join him. They were uneducated, and when Mao promised them land, they all followed him. It would be the same scenario in Mainland China as well. The HKers are educated and had been under a democratic and Capitalist rule for decades under the British. Mainland China on the other hand, is filled with many uneducated farmers, who, if given the right to vote, would most likely chose the wrong leader, because of the sickening Chinese propaganda the CCP use. The current regime in China works, and eventually, democracy will take over in China, when the population gets more educated, when there is more population in cities than rural farm land. We do what the people want, sometimes you have to accept the government of another country, and realize that you aren't going to accomplish anything by boycotting and refusing diplomatic and economic ties with a country just because they aren't the same form of government you have
DUDESRIOUSLYMAN First of all the US the really give a shit about other countries not having democracy and last when HK was under british rule it is capitalist city but there no vote.
tsar s The US supports any pro-democratic political parties or organizations world-wide. The US govt openly stated its support for the HK protesters and the British PM have already begun talks with Beijing. The US does give a shit about democracy in other countries. That's why we support the current Ukrainian government, as it is pro-west and was voted in democratically, contrary to the dictatorship Yanokovych created. Look at the Cold War. We fought/supported 4 wars trying protecting democracy and freedom in other countries during the Cold War. HK, under British rule, was Capitalist, and was allowed to vote for district leaders and governor of HK. It couldn't vote for federal leadership, but it could vote for provincial/territorial leadership.
Looking back now 5 years on. Many of these Hong Kongers who took part in the movement found themselves to be naive and stupid and regret what they have done.
Hands off mainland China! If you had any sense, allow your people to realise their full potential and create the same success of Hong Kong on the mainland. Leave Hong Kong alone, and learn from this wonderful Island instead of trying to take it back under your full control and ruin it. You have my full support Hong Kong!
Is the girl at 19:00 also a journalist or atleast a student journalist? She is seen throughout the video with Vice's Reporter and she does seem to also have camera equipment on her. Would love to see what she reported if she is.
Take notes Ladies and Gentleman. The British are teaching a master class in Geopolitics. Like they didnt know this would have to happen eventually when they returned the territory to China. Regardless of your ideological leanings we must recognize the brilliance Britain's modern day Trojan Horse. Bravo!
"How come you are coming back?"
"Why not? This is our home."
My thoughts are with you today and as long as your efforts continue peacefully your courage will be rewarded. We are with you and all of your countrymen. I hope this content inspires change and solidarity in North Americans.
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18:45, just for easier future reference
I was actually driven to tears at the dedication of these young students.
Truly inspiring and moving, thank you so much for covering this.
And now they are back again.
They stupid.
VICE News traveled to Hong Kong and embedded with the students leading the pro-democracy movement.
"The Sunflower Revolt: Protests in Taiwan" - bit.ly/1uhSoF0
"China Strikes Back: Talking Heads" - bit.ly/1wb8QKJ
Brilliant Reporting. Neutral how reporting should be
Unity Calling lol nice joke
So why did my beloved Britain give this citystate to china?
Big Brother Oh this is way more entertaining than the russians! These guys even type in broken English! XD
***** LOL THAT WAS SUCH A FUNNY THING TO SAY ROFLMAO
SO EDGY
MUCH BALLS
SUCH WOW
the bit that was the best was at around 18:50 when he said 'this is our home' this emulates the whole protest for me
When the country is invaded, these will be the people that will stay and fight for the country but not the leaders who will be the first to flee to another country with their money.
@SirVixIsVexed they need 2nd Amendment.
Hong Kong sure looks fun, rioting and throwing petrol bombs sounds cool.
But HK is NOT a country! And it has already been part of China before it was leased to The British.
Unfortunately through the course of history, The Communists took over China!
18:48 THIS IS OUR HOME
I am moved by this. I am ashamed of my fellow Americans for they are weak willed and are too arrogant to see the corruption. I wish these Hong Kongers success with every ounce of my being. Good luck to all of you and keep fighting.
I wouldn't say Americans are arrogant. I would just say the propaganda machine in America is much stronger than it is in Hong Kong. Which is true. Americans are mostly brainwashed. When we had our chance to speak up the propaganda machine berated #OWS again and again. People bought into it. Saying "they do not have a clear message" when they had a very clear message, it just takes more than 30 seconds to explain, and o baby boomers (old people) weren't having it. they made it look like a circus and so nothing got done from the protests alone. I am glad the occupy movement started to do actual things on the ground now,but that doesn't get media attention.
lordblazer That is because the government doesn't want to spread it. They want to keep it quiet so no one will join the fight against the capitalist pigs.
I don't care about the government or anything right now, say what you will but living in America is great.the fact that you typed this on a computer shows how much we have.
im a hong konger and thank you for the support!
I think that most people in America just aren't aware of the issue. I have supported this issue for some time know and I only know about it from the internet. the media only reports on the story's they think will get them the most viewership and even then they don't stay on it to long. I myself have done as much as I can to spread the word of this were I live and I have found people who were unaware of this but took great interest. if more people were made aware of this and someone organized people to show support in some way then I think America and other country's could show the people of Hong Kong that they have supporters across the world.
I don't understand why the British Gouverment is not acting to that after all they promissed to help and hold on to the intrests of Hongkong even after they gave up the colony. What china is doing is a shame and it is dissapointing to see that there is no official support from europe
Well obviously then you did not understand the main principle of diplomacty, both china and Great Britain have agreed to stay true to the interests of Hong Kong, now China has unfortunatly acted against what you would call a free election and a free mind of speach for the people of hong kong. They now need to sit together to find a solution no one is asking to start a bloody war because of this.
What can do British Government do anyway? Hong Kong is under Chinese rule!
@@justinyhc3057 That's true lol . China's drastic economy and military growths eliminate any further dispute or argument among many countries.
LP Games CH oh,,,,where are those people now? Happily eating dinner?
@@swisslin Lmao tell me one reason this bill is decided by Chinese government nor Hongkong government.
someone notices the communist protest is full of old people?
collin ohlinger Most people in hong kong are from the mainland.
stormycliffs moron i'm muslim but not arab
stay away your fart smell pork
yes because Chinese & Chinese malaysians don't eat halal.... PORK RULEZ
ewww disgusting yellow fever pork lover
Hongkongers please come out again on 9th June, We fight again! We defend again! We should never give up Hong Kong!!
and get slaughter again i guess
15:19
“Are you listening to him?”
Something about the comedic timing & deadpan delivery of that “no.” absolutely cracked me up 😂😂😂😂
Why not?this is our home!
I can't understand all of the negative comments towards the protesters. Hong Kong people deserve the right to be able to choose their own leader and direction. Democracy will work well in Hong Kong because the people are generally well educated. By any measurement you will be better off living in the United States than in China. I have been to China and Hong Kong. You can't even bring a newspaper from Hong Kong to China the government control is that great. Stay strong Hong Kong!
Theyre chinese goverment shills. Pretending to be regular citizens .
Really great docu, once of VICE's best. I haven't seen this host before but she very intelligently went about showing real opinions and cleverly exposed the mainland's counterprotest for what it is.
truly heartbreaking. seeing the sadness and defeat in so many of the hong kongers young eyes makes me sad. if you live in hong kong, and reading this, my heart goes out to you and do not lose hope. stay strong.
The counter protesters were all speaking mandarin chinese lol.... clearly they were shipped in from the main land. You would think the they would at least ship in people from Guangzhou to pass off as legit hong kongers.
In fact, protesters have been attacked by giant groups of middle aged men... men speaking putonghua. In a city full of people speaking Cantonese, where do you think busloads of middle aged putonghua speaking men come from?
Probably half of the pro-china protestors were actually sent or bribed by the government to oppose against the Hong Kongers.
Most pro china politicians and tycoon are local born though so it hong konger screwing hong konger.
snakecali
The hong kong government isn't currently chosen by hong kongers.
nubemuffin I pretty much know how politics is in this city that others don't know.The locals born hong konger pro china party forms the majority of district and legislative councils.Before british give back hong kong to china,there were already local born hong kongers making ties with the central government so again it's hong konger screwing hong- konger.
nubemuffin Look up group of 89 on wiki, these local tycoon control the city behind the scene.
fight for your future. stay safe. be peaceful.
respect. i only wish Russia would do this against Emperor Putin.
thats odd didnt see any covrage
Most Russians love Putin. They really hate USA's policy.
I only wish Usa would do this against emperor Obama...
Meh Gusta Right, and people just sit around and do nothing. Blind is what they are :/
Obama was only in power a short time, and will be gone soon. Tzar putin has been dictator of russia for a generation, and will stay in power for the foreseeable future....
Hong Kong was better off as a British overseas territory. Extensions on the lease of the territory from the mainland had been negotiated in the past and it should have been done again. To hand it over to the hands of Chinese Communist Party was a crime, any semblance of a free society will inevitably be crushed.
I agree 100%
You're factually wrong. Hong Kong has doubled its GDP per capita (PPP) since 1997. It has experienced the fastest economic growth in its history during the Chinese rule.
Hong Kong is a banking and investment center and the primary one for mainland China. As mainland China's industrialization and development really only started to pick up in the previous few decades (90's) the growth in Hong Kong reflects the growth and increased investment in mainland China, not the change in governance of the city. Hong Kong itself (and Taiwan) already had their industrialization way back in the 1970's which the mainland itself would have experienced if it were not for their Communist economic policies setting them back decades.
Furthermore, GDP alone is not what makes a place worth living in, the rights of the people of Hong Kong were far more assured under the protection of the U.K.
If you think any of it would have taken place had Hong Kong remained a British colony, you're delusional.
Hongkong is worst under British. Just like Singapore
These students are incredibly brave, and I respect their determination and their cause.
i didn't learn a damn thing because i was too busy staring at the reporter
+Veyronp87 Yo but shes asian, nobody likes asian
+Veyronp87 Your feelings i understand,deeply.
Darn Darnit so your saying you don't wanna bang mikasa ackerman from attack on Titan? Are you even human
I am born and raised in hong kong China 🇨🇳 🇨🇳. Born post hand over in the early 1980s. It's sad that this young generation of Hong Kongers don't see and have no pride in their own culture and the growth and openning up of China. Too White washed with western ideology and forgot how Hong Kong came to be the Pearl of Asia. Its From the hard working, determined and never giving up generation of the 50s to 70s who made Hong Kong world renowned. Its separation from politics that gave Hong Kong its golden times back in the day. But now Hong Kong has falling into the dirtiness of politics and these Hong Kong teens used as a political tool from the west without even knowing it.
Damn can't keep my eyes of the narrator 0_0..
very hot
***** go away.. 😭😭
***** or we just find asian chicks hot. most men do
Animurh Muh pure white genes! Jews are tryin to destroy us!
Jesus I lose a chromosome every time I hear this.
She is a Chinese you dumb fucks
Oh I adore them. From their firm grip of English to their social maturity to their civility to how their peaceful protest was done perfectly right. Hong Kong, all oppression aside, seems like an intellectual' s paradise. I want to listen to everything they say.
This reporter is so unbelievably beautiful. She seems so smart and well spoken too. Dayum
I don't know why but that "no" made me laugh at 15:19
Freedom for Taiwan 🇹🇼! Freedom for Hong Kong 🇭🇰! Freedom forever!
Thanks for the reporting VICE. great video and i hope Hong Kong gets democracy
Big respect to the students and people of Hong Kong. Peace will win!!!!
The people of Hong Kong are very remarkable. The crowd of 2 million people, the parade of two months, there is no such thing as robbing the store.
Singing Happy Birthday to defuse tensions..... Genius.
As an American born Chinese person, I support the Hong Kong activists and their movement to bring full democracy to Hong Kong. I fear that China is slowly turning Hong Kong into just another satellite Communist Chinese city. I hope the Hong Kong people continue to find the courage and strength to protest and stand up to the Chinese government. This may be their last chance.
Don't say anything about american-born Chinese, ok? You're an American, and China can't afford you
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陈鹏 Why do you have Hitler has a profile picture? You know he supported the tragedies done by the Japanese to the Chinese people.
I'm sorry to say your fear has come true...
best vice reporter that young lady
jonathan avice I'd hit it.
still is to this day along with shane smith
You are strong population of Hong Kong ! I’m with you !
Come to the U.S. we have democracy you just have to pay $40,000 a year tuition, and if you get a job, good luck paying that off for the rest of you life. Democracy is eventually going to fail at some point in the future.
Democracy isnt the reason tuition is so high. Its greed.
It's greed and crony capitalism. Fuck CRONY capitalism.
Timefliesbye there is only one country on earth with an real democracy!!!!
You're arguing against the economy of the United States rather than the political system. China is more capitalistic than the United States.
Then don't go to college. You still can get rich
Hong Kong in all of its existence has never had true freedom. Say what you want but these people deserve freedom. #freehongkong
VICE news, thank you for your report.
You showed the world what HK really is now facing.
Thank you.
The only wrong thing I see Beijing is doing wrong to Hongkong is the one country two systems and the problem is not on "one country" but on "two systems".
vice you should have censored highly vocal protesters in this video... you might be endangering them.
Assert your dominance, make the police get scared of you.
15:21 was kinda funny when she asked the police guy. She was like, "are you listening to him?" and the cop was like "no". made me laugh a little. I feel bad for both sides.
2019 anyone here?
24 different universities?! I didn't know hong kong had that many universities
I really want them to succeed, but I doubt that they can somehow overcome the weight and power of the Chinese government.
They can't overpower them, they could beat them in other means.
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Oh look, spoiled kids protesting for more rights...
You are joking right? They are protesting for freedom, if by spoiled you mean doesn't want to work in a sweat shop then yes they are spoiled.
Hurting innocent people and disturbing social order, do you call these peaceful demonstrations?
中國共產黨當年鬧革命 武裝奪取政權 害死的人少嗎？ 你會不會大聲疾呼 痛斥共產黨破壞社會安寧？ 中國活在蔣介石下不好嗎？
Power to the People..!
Some of these subtitles are wrong but other than that i was on the edge of my seat lol
Great report Isobel Yeung. Credit to you for sticking it out for so many hours. Keep it up, and i look forward to your future reports. Gained one Sub from me.
I'm truly moved by the tenacity of the Hong Kong residents. I know it's not much, but all my best wishes go to you guys.
the reporter is soo damn cute
800lb Gorilla lol
What happened in 13:00?
Thank you for sharing. I have so much respect for these students. They are incredibly strong and I respect their cause so much. I will definitely learn more.
15:18
Idk why but that "no" made me laugh hard lmao
I feel bad for the people in Hong Kong but damn she is beautiful
If China stopped being an ass, Hong Kong could've been a better place.
The VICE News should report how the France Police fire tear gas&pepper spray in the Yellow Vest Movement
This program and the host do a good job of conveying a street level perspective of the Occupy movement, but the picture is incomplete and lacking historical context (which I suppose is a shortcoming of the Vice formula where reporters breeze in and out of a place for a segment). I live in Hong Kong and am in favour of democracy, however the decision behind the election framework was made in Beijing, so the protestors need to be realistic about what can be achieved from this standoff with the local government (which deserves some criticism, but is 2000km from the actual seat of power). One couldn't help but feel inspired by the massive and peaceful turnout in the first few days of the movement. But this program doesn't show how the crowds dwindled in many parts of the city in the following days & weeks, and yet the protest leaders refused to remove barricades that disrupted key transport arteries in the cramped territory, along with the livelihoods of working class people such as taxi drivers, delivery people and small shop owners. It has gone on for nearly 3 weeks. You can label a movement as being peaceful, but when it starts to threaten the livelihoods of people who live pay check to pay check, it is practically a form of violence. Even veteran pro-democracy politicians and former Tiananmen leaders have now appealed to the students to rethink their tactics. The root of local discontent is the high cost of living, extreme property prices and increasing competition from Mainland China, as well as a lack of a cultural integration. I'm pissed off about some of these things too. Let's take a deep breath and consider that many people in the world face much worse oppression and that police forces in advanced democracies have done a lot worse to protesters than the HK police. To be fair, HK has also benefitted tremendously from a number of Chinese economic policies. Yes, let's appeal for a more reasonable form of democracy, protest if you feel the need to, but an extended occupation of the streets is counter-productive and does no one any good.
I still don't get why not just arrest those who occupy the street and I'm not sure would any countries would allow protester occupying the street for weeks after weeks.
I normally shy away from walls of text but in this case I believe the point was so well stated it deserves a thumbs up.
One news that recently got my attention is that the spokesman of HK protest just resigned because of the pressure of her family.
She is a 17 year old high school girl.
What do you expect from those teenagers going through puberty.
I bet people of Hong Kong wish they were still part of Great Britain...
Maybe they are just anti communist.
18:48 "Why not? This is our home"
"diu lei lou mou"
LMAO~~
10:00. hodor hodor hodor hodor!
Like if you heard the same thing
Holy shit almost everyone in Hong Kong wears glasses
Not being racist or anything, it is a genetic trait passed down due to the structure of their eyes. The lids sit heavier on the eyeball, literally warping the eye and causing many issues with vision. The same is true for some families in Europe.
Because they're smart and eye strain is the result lol
Lieutenant Fred Asian eyes tend to be a lot weeker.
Lieutenant Fred It's usually a genetic problem, but not in this case. It's because they're inside studying so much and don't get enough time outside, so their eyes don't develop right.
healthland.time.com/2012/05/07/why-up-to-90-of-asian-schoolchildren-are-nearsighted/
Brenda Storm Goddammit, why does just wearing your prescription glasses make you a hipster now?
Does anyone know the name of the building at 4:06?
Vice, why patronise both us and the folks you're interviewing by using subtitles for people whose English is perfectly audible?
I don't get what happened in the video
Can someone explain?
Democracy only works if the people are educated on the responsibility of what being democratic really means.
A wise man once said: "With great power comes great responsibility."
This applies especially to democracy. To put irresponsible people in power is a miscarriage of the democratic process. You are not supposed to put the village idiot in charge just because you can. This isn't high school, this is real life. The people in power in China are all extremely educated and intelligent people who did something with their lives. Many are engineers, physicists, rocket scientists, people who really accomplished something in their lives and pushed their minds their entire lives. Before they were leaders they built bridges, roads, dams, power plants. Some even built entire cities where slums of mud brick once stood. China at its' core is really a meritocracy. Only people of great merit are allowed to rule. That is all China is really asking of Hong Kong. They are not allowed to elect a moron.
America honestly needs something like this. The last time America had a real man of merit as President was JFK. What did he do? He was a real life war hero. PT 109 they made a movie about it. He saved a dozen people's lives in an act of genuine valor. He understood war. He understood what asking a man to die was all about. This is why he kept us out of Vietnam when he was alive. He also had the far vision to put a man on the moon which was the last great accomplishment this country has ever made.
The last ten elections in America have been a choice between a douche and turd sandwich. China can see this a plain as day. They don't want Hong Kong electing an "Obama." Here we have a man who has not one accomplishment to his name before being president. They don't want a "George W Bush" type fool in there either. Bush was a man cheated out of the draft and then sent a million men to war. What a complete phoney and horrid leader he was.
The Chinese are not blind to this. As I said the Chinese leadership are very smart and understand there are bigger things at stake here. China is a 5000 year old civilization and they are not going to let it be ruined by some fly night student protest. China has created a brilliant compromise for Hong Kong. They can have their universal suffrage. They have their democracy and elections. But China will also insist that they take "responsibility" for their democracy.
No democracy without Responsibility. 没有责任就没有民主
DemurerDread628
Your statement is typical of the small mindedness that is all to common in this country. Few can even conceive that there are people like me who would be moved to do something good without being paid for it. I am an intellectual and altruist. I write this for benefit of all good people who have the eyes to see and the ears to hear and want to live in a better world than the one that is currently presented to us.
America is at best a mediocrity ruled by an inept and corrupt group of oligarchs who are the least capable, the least deserving, and the least effective rulers on the planet. I coin the term ineptocracy for what passes for government in this country. The protesters should really be here in America, in New York and in Washington DC. We really only have ourselves to blame for reelecting a congress with 11% approval rating. You call that a democracy. It is Idiocracy. China does not want this for their people and neither should America. We demand better.
Exactly. You my friend have hit the nail on the head.
This upload is full of Chinese propaganda conducted by terrified slaves of the establishment. The narrative of this particular comment is entirely irrational. Who defines "educated"? You? Or the Chinese government? Not to mention that all crimes against humanity in modern times have been lead by educated individuals...leader need ETHICS more than education...education is more important for those that follow the leaders and make their goals come true...
Around 20mins.. was that a "Beyond" song that the students were singing ???
True Patriots
There should be an alliance in which people stand together to fight for democracy, human rights, and fight against dictatorship and totalitarianism. People cannot fight a powerful regime by themselves, but they can if they unite together and share the same ideas and wishes! Hong Kong activists should unite with activists from Taiwan, Mainland China, Thailand, Singapore, Ukraine, Russia, Venezuela and many more! We should dream bigger! Let the voices for democracy and humanity grow bigger and spread all over the world!
I swear I just search the host's name and watch the whole video.
Very well done and extremely interesting. Hope to see more.
Hong Kong is loosing the advantages which makes people anxious.
Can't believe that the Hong Kong Police Force in modern times are the Chief Executive's knights in shining armor not a typical police department that'll protect its citizens.
In a corrupted democracy, your votes are often bought, at a price. You at that moment, is a boss, to be begged for votes. You get stuffs from voting, which is almost the definition of the economy of democratic politics, although in a more shady and illegal way. In a "clean" autocracy (which never happened, the monopoly of power itself is the utmost corruption), the tyrant never need to give you any goodies for political legitimacy. All he needs is to give you a phone call, make you disappear, or jail you, or torture your lawyer and your family (happened on a daily basis in Mainland China), and you will subdue, and few if any one will ever know that you suffered because of information blockage.
So, do you want a corrupted democracy, or a "clean" autocracy? Any one with common sense will choose the only correct choice. And I mean anyone, because even the tyrant himself are his friends are not safe, once they loose their power, or get old; because without the rule of law governed by the principles of human rights underpinned by democracy, no one is fundamentally safe. Look at what happened in Chinese political struggles currently. The old and retired members of even the central politburo were persecuted through pre-trial court trials by the dictator of the day Xi Jinping. And guess what would happen to Xi once he retire.
I am a Mainland Chinese studying in HK, and I have the utmost respect and gratitude for the Hongkongese who took to the street in this movement, defending the freedom shared by me (and at this point, I can do nothing in return, but hide, against my conscience). I wish I could openly support you in any form, but too I am afraid, of the dictatorial regime that have the might to secretly persecute me, torture me, jail me and do the same to my family. Some supporters in Mainland China who supported Occupy Central openly were jailed, just because they took photos on their slogans and distributed on the internet, watched by the spies of the Chinese Communist Party.
If HK is not free, then China is not free. What you are doing, young Hongkongese, is defending the last bit of freedom that China has. Keep on. You have friends in Mainland, in silence, with indignation and tears.
+Chen Alex thanks Alex you're one of very few Chinese that doesn't get all worked up whenever people criticise China. You love your country but it doesn't mean you have to love the government! Lots of Chinese these days can't tell difference between the two. Anyhow I wish you all the very best. Take good care of yourself.
I’m back here after watching France. Watching this. I want to act.
I don't see why these people would have a legitimate issue (it's obviously Western backed movement).
- In the past 10 years, 500,000,000 people (the equivalent population of the entire EU) has been raised into the Middle Class.
- 7-10% GDP growth per year
- China is no longer a country that under the control of outside powers.
- Gradually increasing amount of rights to the Chinese people.
- 4.1% Unemployment
- Average Tuition rate of about $1,300 a year.
I wish we had effective leadership like that in the US.
What you fail to realize is that Hong Kong is a Cantonese City and China is run by the Mandarin Chinese, it would be like Communist Russia taking possession of NYC.. Hong Kong already had one of the least corrupt most efficient governments in the world, China wants to move in and completely replace it with their authoritarian regime.
Are you serious? If China would get economic sanctions it's people would starve, so how is China no longer under control of outside powers. If China gets in U.S. way all U.S. need to do is stop importing Chinese goods and China can say farewell to it's economy. China is literally living thanks to U.S. And you obviously know nothing about political situation in China. China is artificially created mammoth which is kept together only through totalitarian means, if you would remove totalitarian rule from China it would collapse into dozens of small countries. Big China is great tool for the west, it provides cheap labour to western economy, it serves as good boogeyman on international stage (Chinese economy started it's rapid growth at the same time Soviet union collapsed), and it makes it much easier for U.S. to deal with pacific countries when those countries have huge Chinese army at their doorstep. I wouldn't say that leadership of puppet state is very effective.
Nemanja Dragic No one can afford to sanction China.
Julius Johnson
No one have any need to sanction China right now, west and China have very beneficial relations. But if China would start to get out of control economical loss would be far more desirable than political loss to west, because the greatest export that brings the most money to U.S. is political supremacy.
Nemanja Dragic
China funds the US debt, if the Us sanctions China, they'll drop the dollar as the world reserve currency and force the US to make drastic budgest cuts
For 150 years, Hong Kong never demanded or protested once for democracy under British rule - Great Britain simply assigned governors to Hong Kong. So as much as I support the protesters' right to protest, it is incredibly hypocritical for the west to support democracy in Hong Kong (when they have not done so during those 150 years) and it is extremely naive of the students to think that somehow universal suffrage is a right because HK is so progressive. China, not unlike countries in the middle east, is not built for democracy, and the existing CCP will not be forced into any drastic changes.
Additionally, under the Basic Law, it clearly states: "The Chief Executive of the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region shall be selected by election or through consultations held locally and be appointed by the Central People's Government. The method for selecting the Chief Executive shall be specified in the light of the actual situation in the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region and in accordance with the principle of gradual and orderly progress. The ultimate aim is the selection of the Chief Executive by universal suffrage upon nomination by a broadly representative nominating committee in accordance with democratic procedures."
According to this, Beijing really hasn't done anything wrong when they said they will vet the candidates. Except the current chief exec fully supports Beijing, and not HK. What HK needs is a leader who is Hong Kongese - but he can't be fully supportive of HK without giving concession to what Beijing wants. So in that sense, the students have made their point but now it's time to have a realistic endgame.
But china have promised hong kong to eventually have universal suffrage which UK didn't promised it in the first place. UK also wanted hong kong to become a democracy before the hand over, but china was constantly putting pressure on them to not do that.
Isobel gets my hong kong rising
People of Hong Kong defend your freedom defend your home defend the things you love god bless you to those who are protesting for the withdrawl of the extradition bill know that you are doing the right thing by preserving democracy and freedom dont let anyone take that from you
These peoples passion! Its beautiful. And they arent just fighting for their freedom. They are fighting for all of us! They may not realize this, but their actions could mean that the world will be safer and more just place for innocent people across the world.
there are NO freedom
but they could have freedom to mock the govt publicly without being arrested, jailed , beaten by police.
they could occupy the street and used the HK law as shield to defend their right.
they could give interview to foreign journalist without any harassment
this is NOT freedom in HK?
do they think that they had right to do such thing
if govt say that it had cross the red line?
they brag about " their bravery" - being outspoken, vocal against govt -
they are hiding behind he HK law.
do they had courage to do such thing if there are no law to protect their right.
I totaly support the pro democracy protests but please don't think that the police in the US or Europe would react in a different way.
If you protests peacefully with umbrellas and masks in germany you will definitely get arrested and/or beat up. And in a lot of european countries the police is way more aggressive with the tear gas and battons than in Hong Kong.
Not that i want to justify it but it's not only a chinese thing even though a lot of western media act as if they've never seen something like this. Normaly they just call it 'police has to defend city against rioters'.
topic aside, Hong Kong looks like a really nice city and surprisingly well developed, beautiful skyline, and I say this as somebody from England, it would be good to see this land one day, If only things were not as expensive to travel, I would go.
I'd marry the reporter.....Oh god...
Hahaha, samma här :)
this happened in 2014, and now,5 years later, were back here again.
America is the greatest nation in the world. ~Richard Parker
***** switzerland is the richest country on eartg --fact
America is the greatest nation in the world -KKK
Richest country in Europe is the UK, 4th biggest economy in the world. - fact
***** I agree with those facts. xD
Gilbert beilschmidt i don't know the word in english but i meant the average income of every persons in a year
what s that called in english?
Super Interesting!!!
A new Maidan?
Hong kong people has fight for democracy. I really hope to support that people.
报道要多方面，求你们不要再黑中国了，中国没那么差劲，请放下偏见。看到这样的报道连我都快成为支持占中者了，真是三人成虎~~~
the whole HK Riots is childish and meaningless, CPC will not be affected in any way. The only reason of the students in HK were able to make such a noise is that CPC doesn't give a sh*t about the protesters. This video does have presented the voice from one side-- the easily incited, naive students. What about the common HK residents and biz people who wants to be simple and safe? What about the mainstream voices of the mainland China? The whole thing hurts only HK people, nothing else.
Xin Liu The people who want safe and prosperity are people who were brain washed by CPC,the people who want war, protest are the people who want democracy.That is what they want tell to Hongkonger.....
Foreign powers need to do something about this. The US says we support democracy around the world, but take no action to support it. We need to have talks with the Chinese and Honk-Kong governments. Taiwan should also support the protesting HKers and the UN needs to send observers to monitor the Chinese police actions against the protesters.
DUDESRIOUSLYMAN Whoever told you US support democracy around the world is false.Look at saudi arabia and qatar,the US gov't doesn't care.
tsar s The US supports democracy, around the world, but doesn't do action about it. The problem with your rational is that you think everyone knows about democracy. In Saudi-Arabia, their current regime is probably more successful than a democracy in Saudi-Arabia would be. The Saudis have never experienced democracy and Capitalism, therefore, if they went from a totalitarian kingdom to a democracy, it would be chaos. Its just like what happened in Iraq and Afghanistan. The Afghans and Iraqis have never had a democracy, they don't understand it, and they aren't educated enough to vote for the right person. In a country like Saudi-Arabia, the winner of an election would be the one with the most propaganda. That's how Mao Zedong in China got all the uneducated peasants to join him. They were uneducated, and when Mao promised them land, they all followed him.
It would be the same scenario in Mainland China as well. The HKers are educated and had been under a democratic and Capitalist rule for decades under the British. Mainland China on the other hand, is filled with many uneducated farmers, who, if given the right to vote, would most likely chose the wrong leader, because of the sickening Chinese propaganda the CCP use. The current regime in China works, and eventually, democracy will take over in China, when the population gets more educated, when there is more population in cities than rural farm land.
We do what the people want, sometimes you have to accept the government of another country, and realize that you aren't going to accomplish anything by boycotting and refusing diplomatic and economic ties with a country just because they aren't the same form of government you have
DUDESRIOUSLYMAN First of all the US the really give a shit about other countries not having democracy and last when HK was under british rule it is capitalist city but there no vote.
tsar s The US supports any pro-democratic political parties or organizations world-wide. The US govt openly stated its support for the HK protesters and the British PM have already begun talks with Beijing. The US does give a shit about democracy in other countries. That's why we support the current Ukrainian government, as it is pro-west and was voted in democratically, contrary to the dictatorship Yanokovych created. Look at the Cold War. We fought/supported 4 wars trying protecting democracy and freedom in other countries during the Cold War. HK, under British rule, was Capitalist, and was allowed to vote for district leaders and governor of HK. It couldn't vote for federal leadership, but it could vote for provincial/territorial leadership.
tsar s en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_development_in_Hong_Kong
Looking back now 5 years on. Many of these Hong Kongers who took part in the movement found themselves to be naive and stupid and regret what they have done.
The reporter is quite pretty
3x6249 she is MINE
stay away from her
Hands off mainland China! If you had any sense, allow your people to realise their full potential and create the same success of Hong Kong on the mainland.
Leave Hong Kong alone, and learn from this wonderful Island instead of trying to take it back under your full control and ruin it. You have my full support Hong Kong!
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LOL at the guy taking a covert picture of the host @ 11:24.
she's not that good looking, guys. i know some of you are virgins but damn calm yourselves.
She's cute in a subtle sort of way.
An umbrella business in Hong Kong is guaranteed to make you rich. For any Hong konger or anyone looking to start a business in Hong Kong
Is the girl at 19:00 also a journalist or atleast a student journalist? She is seen throughout the video with Vice's Reporter and she does seem to also have camera equipment on her. Would love to see what she reported if she is.
Take notes Ladies and Gentleman. The British are teaching a master class in Geopolitics. Like they didnt know this would have to happen eventually when they returned the territory to China. Regardless of your ideological leanings we must recognize the brilliance Britain's modern day Trojan Horse. Bravo!