Catherine the Great - Potemkin, Catherine's General, Advisor, and Lover - Extra History - Part 5
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- 📜 History of Catherine the Great, Part 5
Catherine had many lovers during her life, but perhaps none meant so much to her as Grigory Potemkin. Although their romance did not last a lifetime, it did form the basis of a working relationship that would change the face (and future) of Europe.
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I do anyways on these ones
Btw the part is 4:02
If Potemkin was your neighbour, I feel like he'd be the one who'd borrow your hammer and give you a tool set back.
A tool set not including a hammer.
...only if your swore an alliance to him, otherwise he'd sack your house ; p
William Heayn
Are there Potemkin shirts yet?
Just so long as he doesn't build you a house (Potemkin villages and all that…)!
William Heayn it's funny how many of the great people of that age were also deeply corrupt (Potemkin, Arakcheev, Menshikov), yet emperors always forgave them for their bravery on the battlefield and/or other successes, while for other less successful corrupt officials punishment was death
Potemkin and Catherine, the only time “we can still be friends” worked
You can most of the time if it's not immediately after the breakup or using it as an excuse. In short, be honest to each other.
Storm Anteater who cares?
New Justice bruh moment lol xd
Yep, the only time😥
Louis XV and Madme de Pompadour too.
I feel like potemkin is the type of guy who calls you at 3:00 am and talks you into going out drinking with him, but you wake up feeling refreshed, not at all hung over, and with an extra 50 bucks in your pocket that you can't account for. We all need a potemkin in our lives.
*creates a fanfic of PotemkinxCatherine*
XDDD
@@2brite4uw32 would read
Jason Hall I would be one of those
Potemkin was a sweet man. Lucky Catherine!
i want to be a potemkin.
So Potemkin was the original "The most interesting man in the world"?
I don’t often court Russian emperesses, but when I do, I make sure it’s Catherine the great
I would like to object to that clame
No.
No that title was invented by Alcibiades
@@doodlenoodle9769 My thoughts exactly! Alcibiades most certainly holds that title.
So Potemkin is basically the biggest paradox ever.
He was the biggest paradox of all: a true human
Mr. Seemingly Expected exactly. Can't be said better than this lol.
That was unexpectedly, and amazingly profound..
Words from the man himself:
"Everything I have ever wanted, I have... I wanted high rank, I have it; I wanted medals, I have them; I loved gambling, I have lost vast sums; I liked giving parties, I've given magnificent ones; I enjoy building houses, I've raised palaces; I liked buying estates, I have many; I adore diamonds and beautiful things - no individual in Europe owns rarer or more exquisite stones. In a word, all my passions have been sated. I am entirely happy!"
He definitely sounds like an interesting guy to know. A true personality. For everything that he is, good or ill, he was certainly no historical mediocrity.
Borderose Sounds like he would be perfect as a Drifter. I imagine he would be the Octobrist's chief strategist, getting along with both Seimei, and Shimazu.
Potemkin's jealousy and paranoia concerning his romantic position with Catherine, yet fervourous loyalty to her, is so relateable it hits too close to home.
Matan Fleishman Agreed sadly
I too agree....sadly.
Matan Fleishman :/ how Forget the butch n leave on a Adventure
It is so similar to what I lived as well...
I know exactly what you're talking about... :(
Honestly, it’s kinda hilarious imagining Catherine staring at Potemkin’s butt as he walks out of court to go on a military campaign. Really reminds you that people in the past aren’t just portraits, but were living, breathing humans
Catherine had good taste.
That guy sounds like a real Bro-temkin.
Booo
Dad jokes
"No other desk than his knees..." - slav squat confirmed.
The slav squat before it was cool
Heels on the ground
Glorious, good work brother!
Leave it to a gopnik to make such a peotic eulogy become a meme, and not just any meme.
A squatin' Slav meme.
Ghost Duke Vladamir
Comrade found
CYKA BLYAT
Who officiated their wedding...?
It was Walpole.
Because of course it was.
Admiral Yi was the Best Man, the only one loyal enough to be in that position.
Why let a secret wedding get in the way of a good Crusade?
I do tend to do some secret weddings. ;)
John Snow was also invited.
He didn't get the invitation. John Snow knew nothing. Besides, he was too busy hunting down that bastard cholera.
Imagine an assassins creed game in this time period with catherine. That would be amazing
@@fearedjames you must love AC odyssey then.
@@aidantruax9716 heheheheh his comment was literally 1 year ago ehehheehehhe
First mission is killing peter III
@@fearedjames I would prefer a 17 century or a late medival game
@@aidantruax9716 they said they hate odyssey
I think I just fall in love with Potemkin too(?
Reb plz sorry he's dead
Taiwan Mapper I mean, necromancy is always a thing
I am just joking, don’t do that
@@mason3461 too late
Same
AmyAwesome you’ve been playing to much Skyrim
Potemkin and Catherine are relationship goals
Hayden Lau They couldn't handle being a couple, so they wound up playing around with other people the rest of their lives.
That's not my goal, by a longshot. I would prefer to actually fix the problems instead of running away from them.
@@jonquilgemstone pretty much they fixed their problem. They stopped being jealous so they didn't care about "ons" of the time.
@@jonquilgemstone I’d say they were destroyed by circumstance and but were otherwise a great couple. You can hardly blame him for his insecurity given she was empress, and she can’t stop speaking to past lovers because they hold positions and are bureaucratic chess pieces. They even had to marry in secret. In modern day, maybe with a marriage counsellor, they would likely be a happy couple
4:00 Considering he wasn't Catherine's first "favourite", one could argue that Potemkin's fears were not entirely unfounded.
That's like being a boyfriend in fear of of someone who ever had a boyfriend though lmao
@@mvshenhon8966 you do know that this mentality exists out there right? That some men are so insecure that they only date (sometimes even underage, so yeah pedophiles) virgins so that their virgin partners won't compare them to any ex.
@@mvshenhon8966 Difference is Catherine is the absolute monarch of an entire nation and your position and very life depends on your relationship with her.
@@concept5631 Sure, but that applies to everyone at court and to an extent everyone under her rule as well
@@cam4636Still, it applies extra hard to someone in a relationship with her.
Cathrine and Poetimpkin are friendship goals
i wonder if there can be a friendship of this caliber between people, whose romantic relationship hasn't failed beforehand
@@giogio51592They had a goal to work towards, they had something to strive and to win.
He also named a city after her, Yekaterinoslav (Catherineglory), modern-day Dnipro, Ukraine. 🥹
Now I want an EH series on Potemkin....
For the love of God pls make this happen
Yes please
Kenneth See that would be awesome
Same
The history book truly keeps on repeating itself.
Those Who Do Not Learn History Are Doomed To Repeat It
Why do I fear we will learn that lesson all too well in the coming years...
and it keeps getting repeated because people don't learn it, warp it, or bury it. like how Germany likes to keep burying and censoring all their history about Hitler and the Third Reich.
edit: in videogames i mean
Which Germany have you been looking at? In modern Germany the rise and fall of the Third Reich, the horrors of nazism, the reasons why something like this must never happen again and the scourge of neo-nazis are discussed in excruciating detail in schools. Whole swaths of political activists do nothing else but protest neo-nazis routinely gathering crowds several times than the demonstrations they protest. And publicly saying something reminiscent of Hitler's or NSDAP ideology is political suicide.
So either get your facts straight, express them properly if you already have them straight or shut the fuck up if you are unwilling or unable to do any of the above.
You'reThatMantis Which is dumb because everyone else teachs it around the world
The "I insulted Potemkin" box made me fall over laughing.
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Becoming best friends and pals with your ex is practically unheard of these days. Honestly I wish there was more stories like this.
In the days of arranged marriages it was probably more common. Doesn't apply to this story though
That relationship was kinda cute
Almost as cute as Eliza and Ham.
The best relationships I believe are ones where love may not be visible or clearly present, but a deep friendship is there. Screw the “more than friends,” a deep friendship like that should be the real relationship goal.
AND PEGGYM
@@thatonecubchoo1541
"More than friends" entails a relationship with a non-negotiable agreement of responsibility, obligation, and fidelity between the two parties. I think the trend of seeing your SO's as merely "friends you fuck" instead of people who you have binding, exclusive commitment to is the reason why our modern dating market is such a crap shoot.
Well you could’ve kept that with eliza you ham
The disappearance of Poland... the country went into hiding in space ?
the Poland ball was covered in mud
Poland can't into space.
But...... Poland cannot into space.
Poland tried for a Science victory but got confused and tried to win with just Mathematics. For some reason, this made the country disappear for a time, during which it kept churning out theorems, to the confusion of the rest of the world, which tried to pretend the situation wasn't weird.
Or maybe... Every other country into space, but Poland cannot into space
You should say about two great men, whose served Catherine: general Alexander Suvorov and admiral Fyodor Ushakov. Their glory shoudn't be forgotten. They were the best commanders of Catherine's army and fleet. And Potemkin was one who helped them arise and earn fame.
Alexander Suvorov even deserve his own series
@@isprikitikburkabush6200 didn't suvorov fought Napoleon?
@@alexanderchristopher6237 No he died a few years before Napoleon rose to power.
Ushakov developed many of the tactics used by Lord Nelson. Many of his naval battles against Turks had him outnumbered and outgunned. He still won. Hell, when Russia was allied with England, Ushakov was sent to fight alongside Nelson. Nelson was too intimidated and got him reassigned.
Gannibal Petrovich?
Did I just fall in love with Potemkin?
don’t be ashamed we all did
@@TheTazzietiger no one expects the potemkin inquisition!
Yes. Yes we did.@@violeteatsstars
Potemkin sounds like a great guy.
he was kinda whiny and overly emotional
@@rosing-ev1kk he the every man whiny, smart, brave, kind
1:15 - How DARE he show his fourth finger?
I guess everyone thought it was his middle finger. I'm surprised no one else noticed. It must have been Walpole.
How many fingers does he have then? I really didn't notice...
Also, Osaka best girl...
I think in the drawing it's his third finger since the characters only have four at most.
"Which I guess was considered high comedy in those days." What do you mean, "those days"? That kind of comedy hasn't gone away; it's the most rudimentary form of parody.
Also, hehe, butt.
Hehe, Butt, Hehe
Hehe poopy butt
Not gonna lie, I laughed.
butt why?
Hehe
That eulogy for Grigory Potemkin was very heartwarming and poetic, but also so sad at the same time.
Why am I more invested in Potempkin and Catherine's relationship than my own love life.
u r not only one ，me too
He also named a city after her, Yekaterinoslav (Catherineglory), modern-day Dnipro, Ukraine, and I think that's beautiful
For anyone interested, the source for that stunning description of Potemkin is from the book "Catherine the Great: Portrait of a Woman" by Robert K. Massie. It's around 15 paragraphs into chapter 68 :]
So Potemkin and Catherine are kinda like Claire and Frank Underwood?
What?
Ivo Sotirov true!
I was thinking the same thing, very true :D
House of Cards reference!
Pretty much. But with more genuine affection and less sociopathy
We all need a Potemkin today.
We also need to be more like Potemkin
The series on Catherine the Great is by far the best that Extra History has ever done, and that's saying something.
I personally liked the Bismarck and Suliman ones better(In that order), but this is definitely a close second to the latter
Did anyone else feel like he might have been bipolar?
That...makes a good bit of sense actually.
Totally, from his description at the end it sounds like he had a lot of mental health issues. I wonder if History would be different if psychology was already a thing at the time.
Or perhaps he had borderline personality disorder.
To be fair, he is with the most powerful women in the country. I would be worried.
Be careful how you use that label. Many use BPD to as an apology for being an asshole
I personally see potemkin as general insecurity lead on by anxiety due to the difference of power.
He was never made king. So I assume he thought he was a highly sought after concubine aside from her best warrior/dignatary
Like he was her #1 hoe/homeboy/general. But never her equal to be king..
6:45 Yo do you mind if I steal this for my tinder profile? Potimpekin sounds so good rn I almost swiped right on my screen.
"Sleep happens"
He's got a mind greater than the gods themselves
Potemkin sounds like an amazing guy!
Elizabeththegreatest how so?
If there isn't at least 20 references to Polandball next week, EC has failed us.
Can Poland into Extra Credits?
what does EC mean for?
Yes?
Fuck Polandball.
The Artist With The Glasses yes Poland can intp Extra Credits but cannot into space
Georgia was not annexed by Catherine, she only made a protection pact with them. I hope it will be adressed in "Lies".
Is that what the Russians called it? ;P
Vyletongue +
Jeez, read a book, or at least a Wiki article.
And yes , a protection treaty and a protectorate are not the same thing.
As for the annexetion of Georgia, In Russia we call it "saving the unthankful Georgians" (too onesided to my taste, but essentially true considering their pleas, a muslim threat, a civil war threat and the fact that there was no such a thing as Georgia, but rather a bunch of feodal fiefs locked in constant coflict)
Carewolf, just google it, the sh*t that chechens were doing there and why Georgia ASKED Catherine to take them under her wing isn't as simple as shown here(which is actually wrong).
Vyletongue
Georgia did have two states at the time and the ruler of Kartli-Kakheti was possibly more able and a stronger ruler than Catherine herself. The protection pact was a prelude to the annexation which happened right after the able and great king of Kartli-Kakheti passed away.
Considering how you oppressed Georgian culture and nationality after annexation, it *is* natural that Georgians are unthankful.
Grigory Potemkin, a man after my own heart. Most of those qualities listed about him are either qualities I possess or wish I possessed.
Wait, same tho
I wish I could be like him tho.
Relationship goals: Potemkin & Catherine
It's funny how kings and empresses act alike. With Louis XVI, he hated his wife, the Queen of France, but saw as his total equal his smart, religiously devout mistress--the Madame de Maintenon. With Louis XV, he also deeply disliked his wife, also the Queen of France, but got along fabulously with his intelligent, witty mistress, the Madame de Pompadour. In both instances kings and mistresses were inseparable, and considered each other confidantes and best friends. With Pompadour, Louis XV also lost his sexual attraction to her. But that just deepened the great friendship and love they had for each other. Interesting that Catherine had the same with Potemkin.
Madame the Pompadour was a greater hero, than any of the Louis's had ever been.
Luboman411 "religiously devout"
How religiously devout can one be when being someone's mistress, though?
You mean Louis XIV not Louis XVI he actually liked his wife. Too bad about his head.
So basically, never marry your bestie and devorse was invented for a reason
@@caracrotalus no the problem was the those kings DIDN'T marry their besties. They were besties with their mistresses.
"Gave her his sword knot," Is that what they called it back then?
Some people only meant to be best friend forever, they can’t be lovers but they can be best friends. This is great example how men and women can be just friends not lovers. As sometimes love just doesn’t work as nicely as friendship.
when 'let's just stay friends' works
2:17
Russian institutions spread too fast, plz nerf.
eu4?
***** he fixed it,lets go home
Dat institution embracement cost tho.
THE ENLIGHTENMENT! THIS CHANGES EVERYTHING...
The nerf was the first Crimean war, the original badboy war, or as it could have been known: "Hi Great Powers, tired of fighting each other? Let's ALL beat up Russia for a change"
The duke of Wellington would be a great topic for extra history
Louis Weisberg Arthur Wellesley, let's go!
That would be good as long as they dont claim he was irish
If there is one man I aspire to be, it is Potemkin. His mannerisms, is quiet demeanor, literally the phrase “still yet constantly thinking” is the perfect definition of what I want to be in life.
He is one man I aspire to be and wish one day to be like
Potemkin reminds me of this specific girl, I love her with all my heart. I’ve had numerous relationships after I sadly broke up with her and I will proudly say I have a good relationship with my boyfriend of 1 year but this girl would always have space reserved for her in my heart. She will always be special to me and I could say she is the love of my life.
Thank you, this was very informative.
Potemkin and Catherine had the greatest of bonds; even after separation they were the greatest of friends, and always cared for one another.
He might have been the greatest man of his generation in Russia.
the moment at 5:42 becomes all the more melancholic and painful with the news of recent days. a sad to see reverberation of an empire long dead whos greed still echoes onto the people of today.
So she caused the Russo-Ukrainian War this whole time
So....they were the world's most powerful swingers?
That's not true at all. Sometimes when people are really close friends they have a romance that doesn't work out, and they end the romance but keep the friendship. It's not that uncommon really.
@@ianthe2131 ooo what's your novels name?
3:34 catherine be like: THAT BOOTY DOH
Grigory Potemkin standalone episode in disguise
It's a shame the two dots in the letter "ё" are so often omitted in Russian writing. So many names (such as that of the man this video focuses on) have been mispronounced when transliterated because of this. It's pronounced "Potyomkin" (stress on the second syllable; "ё" is always stressed).
Edit: Come to think of it, Pugachev is in the same boat. It's "Pugachyov" (stress on the third syllable).
General Luigi Definitely a point for "Lies".
Well this explains Guilty Gear's pronunciation of it.
Let's not even start on Семён ...
Is it like that for Khrushchev as well?
Yes, KhrushchYOv.
3:45 "It's over, Potemkin; I have the high ground!"
Potemkin is the true bro. The one who got friendzoned but actually loved Catherine thus looked out for her interests.
He reminds me of some of my past relationships tbh
Jerry Of All Trades theyre relationship didnt work out.
He didnt get friendzoned
'friendzoned'? Did you watch the video or not? Potemkin was Catherine's love of her life, refers to him as her husband and herself as his wife. They broke up because of his jealousy and even after they broke up, Catherine breaks off her relationship with her lovers if they insult Potemkin. How is that friendzoned?
Hmm...
I can see an anime from this.
WHERE?!?
i would really love to watch that
a modern anime but with some Rose of Versailles vibes
@@yanstein8464 There is an anime called "chevalier d'eon" where a big part of the plot is dedicated to Catherine the Great
This made me think of aldnoah.Zero but that just me
PLZ NO
I think there may be a mistake regarding Georgia. Catherine wanted an alliance with Georgia ("The Russian empress Catherine the Great was keen to have the Georgians as allies in her wars against the Turks and Persians, but sent only meagre forces to help them.") and her son Paul expanded the border after her death in 1796 as stated on Wikipedia:
"After Giorgi's [king of Georgia, aka Giorgi XII] death on 28 December 1800, the kingdom was torn between the claims of two rival heirs, Davit and Iulon. However, Tsar Paul I of Russia had already decided neither candidate would be crowned king. Instead, the monarchy would be abolished and the country administered by Russia.[11] He signed a decree on the incorporation of Kartli-Kakheti into the Russian Empire[12][13] which was confirmed by Tsar Alexander I on 12 September 1801."
:(
Even emperors and empresses have the same basic relationship problems. Unbalanced relationships is always going to cause friction
now I'm sad watching this
5:38 definitely reverberated to today...
A great video and series, but... why does Catherine have a prominent outie belly button? Oh, it's a 'C', gotcha
lol
Matthew Wensley That confused me too.
Hahahahaha
Damn.
@Michelle Le same
Are you purposefully forgetting to mention Suvorov? Potemkin's really a minor player compared to the Count of Rymnik, Count of the Holy Roman Empire, Prince of Italy, and the last Generalissimo of the Russian Empire.
All hail the greatest general of all time
5:02 the ultimate bromance
“While their PHYSICAL relationship was done...”
Not okay
Is it a historical fact that Catherine the Great has an outie?
KaiKai That's the C for her name, but for a second last episode I was wondering why they were showing her belly button
Ooh, thanks for clearing that up. Honestly thought it was odd for them to put a belly button on her dress.
That's not an outie, that's a C!
You know, there needs to be more done about Potemkin. He really was a fascinating person
Potemkin and Catherine, the bestest of friends!
Now i want a best friend like Potemkin.
This series is becoming one of my favourites in this channel. Cngrts, you boys/girls, on such an amazing job.
Great as always, but it seemed rather short for some reason. Perhaps because it was without the excitement that a usual episode offers. I do believe that Catherine the Great did marry Potemkin. I think she loved the Man he was half the time. But not the other half.
I wish there was more than one episode a week. I really love history, and learning about it in this form is for me personally, the best yet.
Thank you for enriching my life, and knowledge of our past each week.
Some: Ex-Lovers can never be friends.
Me: *shows this*
Their relationship reminds me of Freddie Mercury and Mary Austin after they ended their romantic relationship, but remained incredible friends for life.
Wounder if Suvorov will be mentioned in this series.
He better be in, since he is one of the greatest, if not THE greatest military minds of the worlds history. And being one of the most excentric man of his time as well.
Katherine: I need a bf!
Rasputin: Oh hi there!
Katherine: yes please!
4:54 You know your husband cares when he's introducing you to men he thinks would be good boyfriend material.
Catherine: hey we still cool bro?
Potemkin: yeah we still cool! 😂😂
Some people in history are just amaizing.
thank you for all your hard work. I hope this channel will last until I can have children to watch it and learn. Your videos should be shown in public schools for the betterment of humanity.
catherine and potemkin seem like the friendship everyone dreams of, u guys made history cute and heartwarming
Catherine and Potemkin are relationship goals.
Imagine an Assassin’s creed game set during this time period.
3:00 I see your hamilton reference and parallels and I applaud you.
Potemkin's eulogy is amazing, paradoxical and moving
Honestly if I were to hesitate a historical fanfic Potemkin sounds like he had BPD to me. Honestly it's really cool that he got a good ending and was able to do a lot for his own happiness and for the happiness of others. Nice to see nd people winning n all
"I'm just a Pearl, I'm useless on my own, I need someone to tell me what to do." - Pearl from Steven Universe.
I just think this quote relates with Potemkin.
This just proves that not every breakup is a bad thing
Catherine the Great is by far my favorite video 'series' in Extra History
as always, an amazingly told part of a story. I hope the extra credits team keeps up this great work on history for as long as humanly possible
Dude that boring lover, when he said “Sleep happens”, he was spitting straight facts
Suvorov! Where is Suvorov!
Suvorov Was In WW2 Brah
@@andrewjethrowijaya3052 ???
You guys honestly do a wonderful job on these. They're really good stories and are easy to absorb.
You’re the best History channel I’ve ever found.
I can’t really atest the truth of anything I see here, but somehow I really trust the passion you put in these videos man.
Incorrect. Catherine has little to do with current situation with Crimea. Khrushchev, in other hand...
I think of it this way, Catherine got the ball rolling, Khrushchev is the one who turned it into a massive avalanche.
What an interesting little series! It does, however, directly contradict another fascinating documentary of Catherine The Great in which she is shown as the one needing constant declarations of love and undying devotion from Potemkin and wanting to be with him 24/7 to the point that it seems he nearly came to loathe the sight of her (not really, but still... Having an insecure leech on you like that would be emotionally draining). This series says it's the opposite and that it is Potemkin who was clinging, needy and suspicious. Perhaps it was BOTH of them and that caused the ultimate breakdown of their romance, but not so their friendship, loyalty and an even greater love than mere romance implies...
Love this! Been binging since this morning, and I’m captivated. The storytelling is fantastic and engaging, and how the history is all there but in a way that fun and interesting.
This is where history gets me every single time. It's fantastic. Thanks for this!
Thank you so much! This part of Russian history is one of my favorite)) Very cool and interesting ❤️
You should do a vid on the Bronze Age collapse.
Xbuttx Z There's not much information on that period, because you know, the whole societal collapse thing.
+Merritt Animation I'm interested in it because it is not as well known compared to the Fall of the Roman Empire. Some Historians even said that this event is more calamitous by comparison. It saw the destruction of Bronze Age civilizations such as the Hittites and the Mycenaeans. The Mycenaeans that survived resorted to Piracy and became known as "the sea peoples." The Bronze Age collapse also saw the end of the New Kingdom period of Egypt but Israel and Mesopotamia were left unscathed. The chaos at the end of this period set the stage for the classical period of Ancient Greece and eventually Rome.
+Xbuttx Z most of what we know comes from Anatolia and Egypt.
Hasn't they said that's something they want to do, but it's really hard with so little information.
Xbuttx Z We don't know where the Sea Peoples came from. They may have been Mycenaean, but that's far from a confirmed fact. As has been stated here, there is too little evidence from the Late Bronze Age Collapse to confirm much. Nevertheless, I too would like to see a series or episode on it, but that's decided on Patreon.
Starting around 7:24 the commentary reminds me of, "Fittier, happier, more productive, comfortable, not drinking too much, regular exercise at the gym, three days a week..."