My favorite part of the game is when sonic says "Green Hill's looking a lot more like Sand Hill right now." in my opinion this is the pinnacle of comedy and nothing will ever top it.
dapperfan44 u heavily doubt it was intentional, cus the writers seem to show evidence of not knowing SA1 existing **cough cough** TAILS IS A PUSSY **cough cough**
@@traktor420 The writers simply don't care what games existed. They don't care about anything Sonic did before Colors (or even after Colors), and they're being paid to keep it that way.
@@traktor420 Guess I forgot about that. I'm shocked those writers were fired, it seems to go against Sega's strong desire to bury the old Sonic universe.
“Stop listening to the fans”- Radical Soda. LITERALLY, I’ve said the same thing. Cause everyone in the sonic fandom has different ideas for sonic, sonic team needs to make something fun and original, that is not fueled by nostalgia.
@@ShockInazuma I must heavily disagree with the ludicrous idea that that's what the Werehog was. I mean - even if it _was meant to be that,_ it still had nothing to do with playing a Sonic the Hedgehog video game and fell so short even of other action brawlers that saying it paled in comparison would be insulting to pale people.
@@nman551 Legitimate question: Why? It had the button-mashiest, spammiest combat I've ever seen in an action brawler, and _glacial_ pacing with sluggish traversal and excessively long stages. Trust me, I love a good action combat game - my love for DMC5 or MHW stands as proof of that! But far as I am concerned, the Werehog was just a straight _stinker_ in terms of mechanics, pacing and polish. Really... all they have to do is to just _stop_ chasing some ideas of minimum game length and arbitrary variety. Just _make a Sonic game._ Worked for Generations, worked for Mania, worked for the old games - it will work _just as fine_ in the future.
This is true to some degree, but the models are still not very animator friendly. Then again, there’s the cgi cutscenes which show that the designs can be EXTREMELY expressive, so there’s some truth to it.
And yet, they play that so seriously. Notice how Overwatch actually pokes fun at Reaper being an edgelord, mostly in-game: Even *Blizzard* isn't stupid enough to take that trope dead-seriously.
@@Umbra_Ursus I think the problem is Liam O'brien's delivery and the intensity of the cutscene. In the Japanese version, Infinite doesn't sound angry, but rather, scared. Infinite's encounter was supposed to scar him. However, the cutscene itself wasn't much (probably because Shadow didn't need much effort to take him out, but I digress) It's still bad, but it's not as pathetic.
Even then it doesn't make sense. Since it was Shadow who killed Infinite's entire squad and then beat the shit out of him, shouldn't his beef be with just Shadow? Why did he join up with Eggman to wipe out Sonic and friends if Sonic had absolutely nothing to do with his origin? Hell, after the events of Episode Shadow, Infinite never mentions Shadow again!
Fun fact, Sonic Runners explained that some Wisps decided to stay in Sonic's world because they found it a nice place to live. Weird how a mobile game explained that.
But this doesn't explain the actual canon. Besides the mobile games aren't apart of the universe. Second, they could just explain that in the game. There is no reason as to why I should go and download an obscure mobile game which isn't even around anymore just for the sake of explaining a console release. The same goes for the prequel comics for Forces.
And Silver appears in Sonic Rivals 1 and 2. Classic Sonic being from another dimension is a retcon though, and it's not the first. **glares at Shadow's memories in Sonic Battle vs. Shadow the Hedgehog (Either that, or Shadow the Hedgehog is set before Sonic Battle and Advance 3 in the timeline), Blaze in Sonic 06 vs. Rush, and Eggman Nega in Sonic Rush vs. Rivals**
Spectrum The whole series has plot holes everywhere. Mania accidentally started a few of them (Angel Island still in the water and Oil Ocean on Little Planet, etc) While the Modern Sonic Games have a lot to explain for individual games (Particularly Infinite in Forces).
Is it just me, or is it really weird that the Chaos Emeralds haven't really been relevant to the plot in any modern Sonic game after Unleashed? They don't even get a mention in the story anymore, except for Generations locking the final boss behind a gate that just uses the Chaos Emeralds as glorified keys.
Haseo reviews I feel like they did that as a response to people going 'enough of the super sonic final bosses'. Which is a shame because those were always really damn cool fights
@@LordArikado open you heart to live and learn from your mistakes so I can show you what im made of because i am all of me and even if we live in his world, there are endless possibilites. (If u dont get it, i made a sentence using every song that played during those 'super sonic final boss' bosses)
This video is *the* definitive Sonic Forces review. The only thing missing is Eggman's hyprocrisy when he scolded Infinite for letting Sonic live when Eggman himself let Sonic live in a prison being "tortured" for months. And maybe perhaps Tails' nonchalant reaction to witnessing Sonic being sucked into Null Space possibly forever, like what the fuck was up with that?
Speaking of Tails being nonchalant, what happened after Infinite defeated Sonic at the start? Did he run away? Why did they they completely ignore him? He is his sidekick after all.
@@user-jl7cz2pe6d Probably a case of the "Tails is a physically weak nerd and all he is is smarts! He can't handle his own without Sonic around to save him!" narrative
Eggman: "HOW COULD YOU LEAVE SONIC ALIVE YOU MORON!?" Also Eggman: *Keeps Sonic in a prison to (supposedly) torture him and then only tries to kill him when it's already too late*
Pffft black and white 2 are the worse selling mainline games and they were the peak of gamefreak. Sword and Shield is the fastest selling switch game and yet that's lowest point gamefreak.
@@DJtheMJ Hate to burst your bubble, but Sword and Shield aren't the best selling games on the Switch. S&W are only No. 5. No. 1 is Mario Kart 8 Deluxe (which legitimately surprised me). While the difference could be at least partially attributed to how long they've been out (3+ vs. 2+ years), I doubt that same principle hold true for No. 2 spot Animal Crossing: New Horizons.
Well, it is a little unfair to compare Sonic to literally the largest media franchise on the planet. Even if the game is mediocre, it will still sell well just statistically speaking.
@THE DRAGON KNIGHT SLAYER64 That doesn't excuse the fact that Sega clearly made it so that Tails, with his kit, could have beaten Chaos 4 along with Sonic. It doesn't excise the regression of his character and the lesson he learned during the Adventure series.
@THE DRAGON KNIGHT SLAYER64 they explained it in runners why knuckles hasn't been guarding the Master Emerald recently... As for Super Sonic... I have nothing.
AndyW 813 That's lame. They could just revive his frienship with the Chaotix and have them doing him favors sometimes. Wanna have them together in the same game? Just make someone steal the M.E. Archie Comics anyone?
27:05 Sonic has been in so many stages called 'Metropolis'. It's surprising that we haven't gotten a cameo from Superman up to this point. Or seen the daily planet globe...
I can't believe that after a whole year of this video's existence, I just now got the joke of RadicalSoda saying he was gonna lose his shit in a previous video if both Chemical Plant and Green Hill existed in the same game again, then he was gonna lose his shit. Then he actually lost his shit. Wow. Clever. I don't know if I'm dumb or not LOL
Did you know this game was built off of Lost World? Did you know Classic Sonic was built off of the remains of Lost World? Did you know they hired a SA2 level designer to write the story? ..did you know this game could’ve actually been better if they tried a little?
22:01 "If something's been unlockable in-game for quite some time now and is a staple of the series, it shouldn't be DLC." *LOOKS AT POKEMON SWORD/SHIELD.*
@@kawaiicartoons4454 WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK, JUST TAKE A LOOK AT MYSTERY DUNGEON SKY, EMERALD, PLATINUM AND BW2, THAT IS NOTHING, there actually is an answer that in gamefaqs to a question a person made about mystery dungeon explorers of the sky, he was asking "i've graduated, what else can i do now" the best answer was a list of 20 things to do and at the end he said "after graduation, all you can do is level up your pokémon, beat the darkrai storyline, unlock new dungeons, catch the legendaries, raise your pokémon IQ to the max, get the 7 treasures and evolve your pokémon" 1. By the end of the game, your pokémon are about level 30-40, it takes REALLY LONG 2. The darkrai storyline is longer than the main storyline 3. To unlock every dungeon you have to do a bunch of story quests, be very lucky at spinda's café, recycle a bunch and do exploration side quests, it takes unbelievably long, 20 hours minimum if you're VERY incredibly lucky 4. To catch the legendaries you need an item that you get from completing side quests that you get randomly, again, you need to be lucky and get the secret seven treasures missions 5. By the end of the game, giving every gummi to my mudkip, it had 4.5/5 IQ stars, unnecessary to say, takes very long to have 5 stars on every one of your 4 main pokémon 6. You need to be lucky to get the secret missions to unlock their dungeons, beat 10-50 floors, and then you have a 50% chance to get the legendaries 7. To evolve them, you need to beat the darkrai storyline, wait 3 days, manaphy comes back, wait 3 more days, and you can evolve your mons And the dude acted like that was mediocre postgame content, and it really was for the time, but today, all of that for free, man, that is god-like postgame
Actually, the months-long torture thing wasn't even in the Japanese version at all. The English version probably just added it in for edge value. It failed. Also, Tails having "lost it" was a mistranslation. I think they meant they just couldn't find him. That'd be why he seems so vastly okay in that one scene.
It’s really interesting looking back on this video over three years later. RadicalSoda was FAR more lenient on this than I feel he’d be if he made this video now.
Huh, apparently according to a recent Famitsu article, 3 of Sonic Forces' apparent "4 years in development" were actually just spent building the hedgehog engine 2.0 and making concepts for Forces, and they actually spent just a year making Forces. That explains why it sucks, but doesn't explain why they didn't just take more time to make it actually good. After all, even without it we'd have Mania to hold us up until it was finished and GOOD.
Strange thing is, as improved hedgehog engine 2.0 somehow is with its real time lighting and shadow effects, particle and stuff... Unleashed on the PS3 looks 10x better.
I think the same kinda thing happened with '06 Also that apparently wasn't originally supposed to be a Sonic game, so they kinda had to adapt for it Yet somehow it turned out better than this
Literally, the two out of three level designers for this game were *NEWBIES.* And guess what? The only one that had experience.... was the level designer for Lost World.
@@ShibuNub3305 he didn't even know they existed I don't think. In hero's, the only characters to find an army of shadow androids were rouge and E- 123 omega
34:00 Well, about competent developers. Rise of Lyric was such a buggy and inconsistent mess because of: - SEGA's mismanagement - Sonic Team's "You can't do that in Sonic game, even though it is a spin off" (such as darker, more complex story and more characters. Funfact - they wanted to have new inventors. Guess what - only TAILS can be an inventor) - Nintendon't exclusivity deal for 3 games - "Unspecified next gen hardware" - they didn't know about WiiU at the start, that's why they licensed CryEngine, which wasn't even compatible with WiiU. Thanks to Nintendo of all people CE was able to compile for the system. - Downgrading everything because of WiiU - In the meantime of developement - TV SHOW FOR KIDS WITHOUT DEVS KNOWING IT! Better story and characters? You silly! - Developement hell - all of the above + inhouse arguments and deadlines. In summary - we could have chao
i normally ignore negative forces reviews because the game was set out for failure being an easy boost game and many people hating tank controls despite the level design being built in a manner where you normally don't have to turn (drifting at most) and many reviews constantly reference mania which i find unfair because it's a 2D spindash game with a retro asthetic, entirely different gameplay wise as well as many complaints going back to the boost formula being shit and begging for an open world sonic game or a mania sequel. or just plain not going into detail with a strong example being dunky who had a grand total of 3 points, one saying most of the levels suck, particularly a slide section is garbage without saying why, stating the game only has 3 hours of content disregarding end game padding, and that the momentum is wack which i do agree, rest of the video was about mania. but then there's this, a 1 hour in depth analysis of the game, actually addressing the moon medals unlike most day 1 reviewers, saying the level theming is recycled, explaining why momentum is wack, explaining how automation makes the game suffer by taking control away from the player. this is the best forces review out there, that's coming from a forces defender. personally i enjoy the game as a type of dumb fun and most of the fun comes from retrying levels over and over to get those time trials with the costumes as a reward, changing the wispons and your own look keeps the gameplay interesting to me, but of course that's only for the OC, modern isn't too much fun on his own, classic can go kill himself, casually the game is a bore, completionism is wasted by the moon medals so it becomes fustraighting or boring, literally just doing the missions like S ranks and time trials, maybe pick up red rings along the way the game is enjoyable, it's cheaper than most games even with the $50 since most are 60 but i can see how you feel ripped off. that being said though i can say it is the worst of the boost games, the zavoc boss fight is retarded "lets put tank control randomly dashing sonic into an arena, that'd be fun" and the oc actually controls better than sonic, tag team stages are the most fun part of the game for me with the complete moveset, honestly a tag team sonic game with tail's gadgets would of been infinitely better. only buy the game if you want to support main series and show classic isn't needed as a clutch, colours is better than this game, and that game got out competed by its fucking handheld port, this game has a lot of 2D because it's easier to design for, rush is a great 2D boost game, rush adventure has better levels and more refined control scheme but has a lot more filler content, colours and gens DS ruin the trick system so it's more like charging gauge over time rather than maximizing air time. can say the same with gens and unleashed, unleashed is more challenging but if filled to the brim with progress slowing medals while gens lets you burst through the game in a continued rush. the thing i mainly apreciate from the game is the lack of filler (lost world animals, unleashed medals, heroes recycling the game 4fold, ext.) how stable it is even if it's down to the automation, the graphical fidelity, how it maintains a good framerate and how SA2y the story was (constantly changing, edgy, plot hole ridden, nice to laugh at) but the core game is a mediocre, automated, piss easy thing with not much visual variety. normally i can remember many sonic stages individually only having zones from the same game blend but with forces, entire continents blend together which is pretty fucking sad. my favourite part of sonic is the variety and how they shake things up, i like the added gimmicks, but the core is meh. the reason why i avoided reviews where because the good qualitys like music is standard so they devolve to bashfests, and while this video did have angry parts (my god paid super sonic, i fucking hate that too) i can tell it's out of love for modern instead of mania dick riding, you judged the game based on its predicessors in depth instead of its competition at surface level. i guess that's why i not only didn't skip but sat through the whole thing and wrote this essay. this is why you're my favourite reviewer right now, and that's not even getting into the comedy and how much work you put in compared to your competition (just watch comedy gamers upload a video more than 30 minutes that's not a compilation or a reviewer that has this great of a balance between articulation and comedy) keep up the great work. _chances of him reading are practically non-existant so i guess random commenter who made it this far, how nerdy did i go?_
*paraphrased* you did good, i agree with the points but disagree with how it's not fun, i get dumb fun enjoyment but i'd still recommend rush 1/2 and gens over this.
I'm sorry, with how little 3D there is in Forces, I think its almost unfair to compare the 2 games for the opposite reason that most think. They are nearly the same kind of game, with how little 3D there actually is in Forces. And Forces is pitiful compared to Mania, even Generations.
Rad singing the Metropolis Zone theme sounds like he's being forced with a gun to his head. The little "AH"s are the gunman lightly teasing the trigger.
1:02:04 I’m not even sure if this is deliberate, but that is almost exactly how Team Sonic’s story in Sonic Heroes opens. Rewatching that cutscene, it’s actually a great way of establishing characters and their relationships quickly while also keeping a lighthearted, action-oriented tone for the story; that Eggman’s voice reads off his letter in particular is great.
Realised something the other day, the use of the wisps pretty much just adds to the automation With wisps they can basically just create walls of boost capsules so no matter what you get a large upgrade of boost, which you can’t really do with rings. This pretty much means that they can create pre-built boost to win areas like all the ones where you just have to go in a straight line and destroy enemies
Honestly best Sonic forces review and the most in depth one, people cant make a review as good as you made for 3 minutes, but youres is an 1 hour, ITS AMAZING.
I was listening to a video essay the other day and the creator used the Grand Metropolis music in the background at one point. As soon as I noticed it I immediately paused it and thought "This isn't a video essay! This is just...GRAND METROPOLIS! (insert Rad's beautiful singing here)"
Is this now Radical Soda season 2? Also oncw again an amazing Video Rad, there should really be more people to at least try and make just as high quality content as you. I would've never even imagined that anyone would have so much to say about such a bland and boring game. And yet you still make all of it very entertaining. Honestly they should hire you as Actor and Writer. You would be like Tommy Wisou only that you are really really good at it. Also i 100% agree with you with Super Sonic being DLC. I had a discussion about it lately and it is just completely shitty of them it's basically like saying: "Aaah yes Super Sonic, yeah he is in the Game since Day 1 so we COULD give him to you but do you know what? How about you give us $2 and then play as him in a game that already is incredibly boring and easy"
KHC Plays So many things in this video show effort. Especially the fact that it is about Sonic Forces, where the most effort was probably in the music.
NULL space would’ve been the perfect place for a 3 Vs Infinite Chaos Emeralds Vs Phantom Ruby Boss fight Also the Final boss should’ve been called Phantom Dragoon
@@TheCrimsonCoon Oh the series was really good. I actually wanted to see some older characters come back revamped more; but no more seasons :( But at least we got Vector the Detector :D
It feels like more was planned for this game. Especially with Infinite. NGL, I was prepared for Infinite to betray Eggman like Chaos before him and become the true final boss. Part of me is hoping that more is planned for Infinite cuz his story doesn't feel complete, like there has to be more.
@@MelonTartVA I agree. I hope Infinite returns in at least ONE more game, since there's a lot of potential for him in boss fights and gameplay mechanics thanks to his powers etc.
Wait wait wait, Zavok can STING IN THE PC VERSION?! *HOLY MOLY, TECHNOLOGY!!!* (The game's still horrendous just thought i'd make a joke on the fact that there are more features in one version of the game then the other)
The phantom ruby corrupts whoever has contact with it....Sonic last had contact with it being teleported to the forces world, I think the phantom ruby corrupted sonics great gameplay into ass
How Sonic Forces could have been perfect: -Have Sonic taken out of the story towards the beginning as usual, but don't have him come back until the very end. -Scrap both Classic, and the custom character. -Bring back the Heroes system where you switch between a team of 3 characters. -Have the characters be various members of the resistance (Tails, Knuckles, Shadow, Silver, Espio, Rouge, Omega, Charmie, Hector, Blaze, and Sonic in the end / post game). -Give each character a unique wisp-like ability that helps them overcome certain obstacles and gain advantages in combat (Tails being able to fly, Knuckles having a punch attack, Silver being able to float temporarily, etc). -Make the game fully 3D with cleaner Adventure style physics, and boost gameplay. -Improve the level design, making it more open with more alternate routes, more creative locals, and time that clocks in at least longer than two minutes (probably closer to 5 to 10). -Improve the role of the villains. Each should have two boss fights: One early on in their base forms, and one later on in their ultimate forms. And they should be more complicated than hitting rocks or running in a straight line. -When they say Sonic is being tortured, actually have it seem that way. Keep him upbeat for a little while, but still a little roughed up in appearance and tone of voice. And later on in the story, he should just be completely broken until he escapes. -Infinite should be a much more significant villain. For one, his ability to warp reality and create dimensions could have been used in a far more interesting way in terms of boss fights and story. And he definitely should have had a more complex backstory, and some kind of role in the final boss. -The cutscene quality and general visuals and presentation could have been slightly better. -Boosting shouldn't have been refilled by enemies. Instead, they could have used the blue orbs from Sonic Mania. They take up less space and probably allow for slightly better level design. -Enemies should have been much more diverse. Perhaps an actual threat at least. Enemies that chase you down, enemies that target shots, enemies that take a few more hits to beat, enemies that act as larger obstacles, etc. And that's all I can really think of.
You can keep the character creator but have a few more options, and maybe have sonic escape but he doesn't immediately meet up with the resistance and but instead have him go around each level looking for them
Some Kind of Democrat Or at least let him come into play at least after like stage 5 or 6. Seriously the game is just like "Oh no, Sonic has been killed.... oh never mind he's just been kept prisoner. Oh no, he's been tortured for 6 months! That will surely..... never mind he's just perfectly fine. No bruises or lose of sanity." Seriously why did they decide to translate this plot point from the Japanese version into fucking torture?!
Litten Fire that games has had 2 remakes, a spot in Kingdom Hearts, tons of merchandising, and they just announced a Switch Remake. Just because a game isn't Mario in terms of sales doesn't mean it doesn't get its due.
He directly addresses SEGA and sonic team, when you make a good game in the Mario franchise it WILL get more sales than an indie game, When you make a good game in your multi-billion dollar franchise of around 25 years, One of which has been plagued by bad releases and is quite popular....... *People will notice it*
Dev team really looked at how Sonic controlled in the very first game and said "We can't possibly top this!". Makes me wonder why they didn't also bring back the spike bug and get rid of the spindash and drop dash if they were really going for that 1991 nostalgia.
You sir are definitely a true sonic fan. I hated how much people compared this game to Mania. Glad ot see you kept it in the boat it was meant ot be judged in. Sure it doesn't hold up well, but it's thankfully not another 06 fall. Sadly it'll take a complete sit down and refocus on Sega's end for us to truly get a good 3D Sonic game. I mean, come on, all they have to do is look at this 1 hour long review video and they'll SEE what needs to be done. Just give us a FUN sonic game again, not something that's so piss easy and automated! Honestly an open-world take would probably be a rather neat thing to see. With Sonic's speed, travelling a large map sounds really cool and fun if done correctly. They got the music correct. They got the graphics perfect practically. But everything else needs improving, some MAJORLY so (like the bloody controls). When many older Sonic games of similar style are CLEARLY better than your new product, something is wrong. Maybe Sonic just needs to ditch the platformer genre entirely. For a creature known for speed, I never did quite understand WHY they stuck with trying to do 'speed run' platformer for Sonic when a true speed run that's FUN is one that takes the super difficult route (like some of the super mario maker levels and mods people have made). sonic never really struck me as aiming for a difficulty curve...we need what SA2 did, which was following a neat story that made us go running through memorable and unique stages that rewarded you for taking those 'cool and tricky' routes. Where you really had to get good at the level to earn that S rank. I miss Sonic games like that because not only was it FUN, but Sonic looked cool doing it. My sis used to have her jaw drop when I flawlessly ran an SA2 stage. I'll just end this by saying...I'm glad I grew out of buying these crap games on day one. I have a feeling Sega is hiding behind their still loved mascot's name and only relying on that to bring in sales. They won't learn if young blind players mindlessly keep buying the stuff that show they haven't learned anything. It's sad...I wish Sonic was good again. And no Mania ain't cutting it for me. Classic Sonic is good for what it is, but I've grown out of side-scrolling 16-bit era. My brain needs something more engaging.
I don't think people really directly compared Mania to Forces. They just came out at a similar time and people just kinda said "why even play this worse, more expensive game when you have something produced by the same company that's just a better game for less"
The lack of bosses for Chaos and Shadow really pissed me off. Before the game released, they were hyping us up for the "mystery" behind Shadow joining the side of evil. And then it just turns out that he's a copy, and he's defeated with one attack...in a FUCKING cutscene! Seriously, they clearly only included Shadow and Chaos to appeal to Adventure fans. They couldn't even bother to make them the least bit relevant in the game.
Yeah, they should've at least had Classic Sonic fight the fake Chaos 0 before his first level, and Modern Sonic fight the fake Shadow before the real Shadow kicks the fake Shadow. They could've made remixes of the Chaos 0 battle music from Sonic Adventure for a Chaos 0 fight and a remix of "Almost Dead" from Shadow the Hedgehog for a fight with the fake Shadow.
Also why did zavok be the only phantom to have a personality? And tails character degradation? I get it sonic team you hate adventure and all but shit man.
Heh, what if Tails has somehow been a phantom ever since Sonic Unleashed? I know, he's not a phantom, but I think it'd be a nice plot twist if he was, and if (the phantom) Tails died in Sonic Forces.
Wait, having Super Sonic doesn't even make sense in a story sense. If Sonic had all of the Chaos Emeralds to begin with, he wouldn't have been captured by Eggman and 'tortured' for months!
WHOA. Did you say that Arsenal Pyramid's interior music was "NOT GOOD"?? It's fine to have your opinion, that just shocked me is all. It's my personal favourite track in the game. Amazing video as always. Good work.
Could you imagine a very complex system for sonics running, tech wise. Like you're not just a floating character model with animation its got like physics and stuff. That'd be cool.
Sonic Adventure 1 and 2 actually had a more complex, realistic-feeling control style for Sonic than Forces did. I'm not talking necessarily about the Adventure gameplay overall, but Sonic feels like he actually obeys the laws of physics. When you go up a hill without anything pushing you up there (like boost pads), you actually lose speed. When you go downhill, you gain an immense amount of speed compared to going uphill or moving on flat terrain. In Forces, you nailed describing it. Sonic is basically just a floating object with no inertia or momentum, just gliding across all kinds of terrain without said terrain affecting his speed at all. It's fucking pathetic that a 20 year old Dreamcast game feels better to control than a modern game.
Is it wrong that I can say that that already exists, it is a game called Crumble. It actually handles speed very well and the character is just a blue blob.
Carlton Powell yeah but he is from the future so, why did he bother to come back? If he is the same silver, certainly the future didnt get messed up by eggman so, why is silver needed in the past?
You know, this game's chemical plant look interesting, it looks cold and wintery on the outside. Congrats, sonic forces level designers, you did a thing!
Hero Path (most positive): Nitro Rad Neutral Path (most meh): Somecallmejohnny Dark Path (most negative): Radical Soda Okay, I gotta say this in one of these reviews: I fucking love this game's soundtrack to death, it's so much fun and catchy and cheesy, especially the Avatar songs, Classic Sonic's songs overall can die in a fire, just change the instruments please, but that's it's only blemish, oh my god I love it more than Mania's soundtrack, it's what I want from a Sonic soundtrack.
Eh, the instrumentation across the board is pretty bland and obnoxious. The shrill synth for Modern Sonic is really aggravating, particularly when it actively undermines the songs' composition, like for Sunset Heights (which should've had more guitar) and Network Terminal Outside (would've been great with sax). Classic's soundtrack was just trash, especially following Mania, and the Avatar's is just generic, though I personally enjoy Aqua Road.
Man, I hope Sonic Frontiers turns out better than thi. Imagine if it had areas as cool as the concepts at 1:00:38 that would be amazing. And hey, Open-World 3D Sonic seems to be exactly what Forces was lacking. While the promo shots on the website are neat, I hope it’s more than just grasslands, generic forests and a dessert
The reason why sonic forces is this way is not because of sonic team incompetence (well maybe a little) but because all the generations/colours developers were on other projects or fired(Not sure about the fired part though) and most of the developers they could get were new people who had never worked on anything sonic related before except for 1 lost world developer so that plays a big part. And not to mention the fact that they decided to make an entirely new engine for this game which took 2 out of the 4 year development time alone and 1 year on concept and only a single year on physical game development. With this in mind I think if they hadn't encountered these problems then the game would have been much better.
Welp decided to make a reply chain since one giant wall of text would be silly. Tails' character being a whiny wimp was a change made long before forces in Unleashed so expecting a change is just ridiculous. Sonic's character is cocky, arrogant,brave and caring character but to say in the last few years sonic lacks emotion is dumb as that's how he's been in all the mainline games the Adventure series was him being WOAH! and TERIA! Heroes was him being YEAH TEAMWORK! etc. Finally story at this point expecting a grand story is just false hope you want that just read the archie comics.
My favorite part of the game is when sonic says "Green Hill's looking a lot more like Sand Hill right now." in my opinion this is the pinnacle of comedy and nothing will ever top it.
It's a joke that's easy to miss. There really is a Sand Hill in Adventure 1.
dapperfan44 u heavily doubt it was intentional, cus the writers seem to show evidence of not knowing SA1 existing **cough cough** TAILS IS A PUSSY **cough cough**
@@traktor420 The writers simply don't care what games existed. They don't care about anything Sonic did before Colors (or even after Colors), and they're being paid to keep it that way.
Robert Anderson actually the people who wrote this game are gone, so hurray I guess
@@traktor420 Guess I forgot about that. I'm shocked those writers were fired, it seems to go against Sega's strong desire to bury the old Sonic universe.
“Stop listening to the fans”- Radical Soda. LITERALLY, I’ve said the same thing. Cause everyone in the sonic fandom has different ideas for sonic, sonic team needs to make something fun and original, that is not fueled by nostalgia.
I think they've been trying to do that, with the werehog and all that. But sonic fans keeps asking for more and more
@@ShockInazuma I must heavily disagree with the ludicrous idea that that's what the Werehog was. I mean - even if it _was meant to be that,_ it still had nothing to do with playing a Sonic the Hedgehog video game and fell so short even of other action brawlers that saying it paled in comparison would be insulting to pale people.
@@AniGaAG I personally loved the Werehog
@@ShockInazuma Yeah Izuka needs to stop doing whatever the fans want.
@@nman551 Legitimate question: Why? It had the button-mashiest, spammiest combat I've ever seen in an action brawler, and _glacial_ pacing with sluggish traversal and excessively long stages. Trust me, I love a good action combat game - my love for DMC5 or MHW stands as proof of that! But far as I am concerned, the Werehog was just a straight _stinker_ in terms of mechanics, pacing and polish.
Really... all they have to do is to just _stop_ chasing some ideas of minimum game length and arbitrary variety.
Just _make a Sonic game._ Worked for Generations, worked for Mania, worked for the old games - it will work _just as fine_ in the future.
Fun fact: The models ARE actually expressive, and their faces can make tons of expression.
The problem is the animations which just doesn't use them.
This is true to some degree, but the models are still not very animator friendly. Then again, there’s the cgi cutscenes which show that the designs can be EXTREMELY expressive, so there’s some truth to it.
I think omega was by far the best character in the game.
@@doctoreggman6542 legit appeared for like 2 seconds and barely did anything
The pre rendered cutscenes of Shadow the Hedgehog and Sonic Unleashed prove this
@@yourforeign_corvid because omega's based, he's too good for this game.
I like how this game's conflict revolves around the angsty teen getting angry that Shadow dismissed him
Pretty much.
And yet, they play that so seriously. Notice how Overwatch actually pokes fun at Reaper being an edgelord, mostly in-game: Even *Blizzard* isn't stupid enough to take that trope dead-seriously.
@@Umbra_Ursus I think the problem is Liam O'brien's delivery and the intensity of the cutscene. In the Japanese version, Infinite doesn't sound angry, but rather, scared. Infinite's encounter was supposed to scar him. However, the cutscene itself wasn't much (probably because Shadow didn't need much effort to take him out, but I digress)
It's still bad, but it's not as pathetic.
And killed his squad/family
Even then it doesn't make sense. Since it was Shadow who killed Infinite's entire squad and then beat the shit out of him, shouldn't his beef be with just Shadow? Why did he join up with Eggman to wipe out Sonic and friends if Sonic had absolutely nothing to do with his origin? Hell, after the events of Episode Shadow, Infinite never mentions Shadow again!
Remember when someone bought forces on steam, beat it, then returned it because he beat it in under 2 hours
BRUH
Please, PLEASE tell me more! That sounds so funny.
@@lucyditee what more is there to say someone did that
@@lucyditee yeah well he did beat it and he did return it, thats about it
@@lucyditee Weegee the God is the person who did it
"Its been generations since i've controlled good." -Modern Sonic
*Controlled well.
@Unknown - Generations, right?
@{New design!} Dark ice u trollin m8
You mean sa2. Those controls are much better than any boost game. That's depressing.
ice Sorry. But I don't listen to 2-year olds who don't even KNOW HOW TO SPEAK.
Fun fact, Sonic Runners explained that some Wisps decided to stay in Sonic's world because they found it a nice place to live.
Weird how a mobile game explained that.
the blue frog Everything is canon -Aaron Webber (....I guess it's true)
the blue frog Sucks the 2.0 update basically killed it. Liked the game.
But this doesn't explain the actual canon. Besides the mobile games aren't apart of the universe. Second, they could just explain that in the game. There is no reason as to why I should go and download an obscure mobile game which isn't even around anymore just for the sake of explaining a console release. The same goes for the prequel comics for Forces.
And Silver appears in Sonic Rivals 1 and 2.
Classic Sonic being from another dimension is a retcon though, and it's not the first. **glares at Shadow's memories in Sonic Battle vs. Shadow the Hedgehog (Either that, or Shadow the Hedgehog is set before Sonic Battle and Advance 3 in the timeline), Blaze in Sonic 06 vs. Rush, and Eggman Nega in Sonic Rush vs. Rivals**
Spectrum The whole series has plot holes everywhere. Mania accidentally started a few of them (Angel Island still in the water and Oil Ocean on Little Planet, etc) While the Modern Sonic Games have a lot to explain for individual games (Particularly Infinite in Forces).
Greatest Sonic OC:
*Beepo the Wrestling Clown*
We're just gonna ignore the other one?
*bababooey*
That's the game, the best part of this game was the avatar 😂
what about the creepy barny OC :(
The sad part is we never got to see any wrestling moves.
Bonus stages should’ve been moments when Sonic gets trapped in variations of null space, getting a chaos emerald each time he finishes it
Is it just me, or is it really weird that the Chaos Emeralds haven't really been relevant to the plot in any modern Sonic game after Unleashed? They don't even get a mention in the story anymore, except for Generations locking the final boss behind a gate that just uses the Chaos Emeralds as glorified keys.
Snek, you have a good point. The special bonus stages are kinda boring.
Haseo reviews I feel like they did that as a response to people going 'enough of the super sonic final bosses'. Which is a shame because those were always really damn cool fights
@@LordArikado open you heart to live and learn from your mistakes so I can show you what im made of because i am all of me and even if we live in his world, there are endless possibilites. (If u dont get it, i made a sentence using every song that played during those 'super sonic final boss' bosses)
My god. This is GENIUS
This video is *the* definitive Sonic Forces review.
The only thing missing is Eggman's hyprocrisy when he scolded Infinite for letting Sonic live when Eggman himself let Sonic live in a prison being "tortured" for months.
And maybe perhaps Tails' nonchalant reaction to witnessing Sonic being sucked into Null Space possibly forever, like what the fuck was up with that?
Speaking of Tails being nonchalant, what happened after Infinite defeated Sonic at the start? Did he run away? Why did they they completely ignore him? He is his sidekick after all.
@@user-jl7cz2pe6d
Probably a case of the "Tails is a physically weak nerd and all he is is smarts! He can't handle his own without Sonic around to save him!" narrative
Eggman: "HOW COULD YOU LEAVE SONIC ALIVE YOU MORON!?"
Also Eggman: *Keeps Sonic in a prison to (supposedly) torture him and then only tries to kill him when it's already too late*
@@shyguyrocks1 He's a dumbass in Forces, so I'd say he's just useless
@@supernintendo182 no wonder metal sonic always wants to rebel
RadicalSoda: “A mediocre game isn’t going to sell as well as a great game”
*Pokemon Sword and Shield would like to have a word*
Pffft black and white 2 are the worse selling mainline games and they were the peak of gamefreak. Sword and Shield is the fastest selling switch game and yet that's lowest point gamefreak.
@@DJtheMJ Hate to burst your bubble, but Sword and Shield aren't the best selling games on the Switch. S&W are only No. 5. No. 1 is Mario Kart 8 Deluxe (which legitimately surprised me). While the difference could be at least partially attributed to how long they've been out (3+ vs. 2+ years), I doubt that same principle hold true for No. 2 spot Animal Crossing: New Horizons.
Well, it is a little unfair to compare Sonic to literally the largest media franchise on the planet. Even if the game is mediocre, it will still sell well just statistically speaking.
@@nicolaswarren3453 Sorry. I meant the fastest selling, my bad.
@@DJtheMJ Ah, gotcha.
Tails in the dreamcast era: *Beats chaos 4* Tails in forces: *sees chaos 0* ahh sonic help me!
@THE DRAGON KNIGHT SLAYER64
That doesn't excuse the fact that Sega clearly made it so that Tails, with his kit, could have beaten Chaos 4 along with Sonic.
It doesn't excise the regression of his character and the lesson he learned during the Adventure series.
@THE DRAGON KNIGHT SLAYER64 they explained it in runners why knuckles hasn't been guarding the Master Emerald recently...
As for Super Sonic... I have nothing.
@@lightgivemepower6425 So, what is the reason?
@@HardGuess because he wants to keep going on adventures with sonic and tails so he has...
A bunch of animals guard it while he's gone.
AndyW 813 That's lame. They could just revive his frienship with the Chaotix and have them doing him favors sometimes. Wanna have them together in the same game? Just make someone steal the M.E.
Archie Comics anyone?
27:05 Sonic has been in so many stages called 'Metropolis'. It's surprising that we haven't gotten a cameo from Superman up to this point. Or seen the daily planet globe...
They'd probably call it Tomorrow City or something just as equally generic.
Or ratchet and clank
Honestly I’d like to see that crossover
@@LucasHopkins2006I have news for you
"From the people who saw Sonic Colors and Sonic Generations."
"From the people who looked at sonic for a minute"
"With inspiration from sonic classics such as sonic boom,sonic 06,sonic 3D blast and shadow the hedgehog"
action figure junkie and sonic blast
"From the people who saw Sonic on Deviant Art!"
It's like that bootleg movie, where on the cover it says "from the producers who saw SHREK"
I can't believe that after a whole year of this video's existence, I just now got the joke of RadicalSoda saying he was gonna lose his shit in a previous video if both Chemical Plant and Green Hill existed in the same game again, then he was gonna lose his shit.
Then he actually lost his shit. Wow. Clever. I don't know if I'm dumb or not LOL
when does he say he was going to lose his shit?
@@jokx4409 I think in his Mania/Forces impressions video and in the very beginning of this video
Everyone is mad about how easy it is but think about it.
There's finally a sonic game IGN can play
ikr fucking hell
pin this
And they still shit on it.
Who really cares about IGN? 😑
You’ve been gnomed
Did you know this game was built off of Lost World?
Did you know Classic Sonic was built off of the remains of Lost World?
Did you know they hired a SA2 level designer to write the story?
..did you know this game could’ve actually been better if they tried a little?
Well, as the higher ups said during development.
Who cares?
Seriously? They built it from Lost World instead of Generations?
Wilst using boom sonic's picture. your comment is excellent m8.
Sonic Maurice Hedgehog What? While they were at it they swapped the lighting engine as well?
Harrinsain!!
They didn’t. The same people who did colors’ story wrote it
22:01 "If something's been unlockable in-game for quite some time now and is a staple of the series, it shouldn't be DLC." *LOOKS AT POKEMON SWORD/SHIELD.*
I mean at least the DLCs for pokemon sword/shield adds something new to the game
@@kawaiicartoons4454 Yeah, so did the aftergames that came free with the 6 fucking generations that did it before.
@@No_Sleepee not to mention it costs 30 F***ING AMERICAN DOLLARS
@@kawaiicartoons4454 WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK, JUST TAKE A LOOK AT MYSTERY DUNGEON SKY, EMERALD, PLATINUM AND BW2, THAT IS NOTHING, there actually is an answer that in gamefaqs to a question a person made about mystery dungeon explorers of the sky, he was asking "i've graduated, what else can i do now" the best answer was a list of 20 things to do and at the end he said "after graduation, all you can do is level up your pokémon, beat the darkrai storyline, unlock new dungeons, catch the legendaries, raise your pokémon IQ to the max, get the 7 treasures and evolve your pokémon"
1. By the end of the game, your pokémon are about level 30-40, it takes REALLY LONG
2. The darkrai storyline is longer than the main storyline
3. To unlock every dungeon you have to do a bunch of story quests, be very lucky at spinda's café, recycle a bunch and do exploration side quests, it takes unbelievably long, 20 hours minimum if you're VERY incredibly lucky
4. To catch the legendaries you need an item that you get from completing side quests that you get randomly, again, you need to be lucky and get the secret seven treasures missions
5. By the end of the game, giving every gummi to my mudkip, it had 4.5/5 IQ stars, unnecessary to say, takes very long to have 5 stars on every one of your 4 main pokémon
6. You need to be lucky to get the secret missions to unlock their dungeons, beat 10-50 floors, and then you have a 50% chance to get the legendaries
7. To evolve them, you need to beat the darkrai storyline, wait 3 days, manaphy comes back, wait 3 more days, and you can evolve your mons
And the dude acted like that was mediocre postgame content, and it really was for the time, but today, all of that for free, man, that is god-like postgame
@@Lrizu I wasn't saying the dlcs were good, I was just saying they added something new
I'm really disappointed rad didn't make a shitty pun when he said he "forced" himself to keep playing
But he DID make a "forced" joke. 5:03 is where the first one is. (There may be more but I haven't watched he whole thing yet.)
S P O O K E D Eamonn hello
He did force himself to watch the cut scenes
Saying the word forced doesn't qualify as a joke.
S P O O K E D Eamonn no shut the fuck up that pun is overused
I call this game “baby’s first sonic game”
What did that baby do to deserve this
shit man stop following me im not going on the deep web for coke yet lol
Casswury can tell your the baby this dude’s talking about considering ya can’t spell new right, and they have a large audience already
The angry Sonic fan fittingusername,
@@segafanatic0674 *Y E T*
If Sega wants modern Sonic 2d, just bring back Sonic Rush(please)
You are god damn right
Actually the only time I enjoyed 2d sonic...
@THE DRAGON KNIGHT SLAYER64 YES! Srsly one of the best characters in the Sonic Universe
YES That is my favorite 2d sonic series
I know it's a different Sonic game but I wanna take this moment to say rest in peace to Sonic Runners once more-
Actually, the months-long torture thing wasn't even in the Japanese version at all. The English version probably just added it in for edge value. It failed.
Also, Tails having "lost it" was a mistranslation. I think they meant they just couldn't find him. That'd be why he seems so vastly okay in that one scene.
So it SHOULD have been at its raw translation..
Silver: "And Tails... we've lost him."
In the Japanese version, Silver says that Tails had dropped all contact. So they hadn't heard from him in months
@Jacob Cannon in the Japanese, Rouge says that he's just been imprisoned for 6 months.
@@MelonTartVA what a load of BULLSHIT, SEGA!
The "he was being tortured" line confused me since he didn't act like he was tortured at all
Hey! G sauce again; Radical Soda here! Umm...
W h a t t h e f u c k ?
Siper I just edited it should I post it?
Un-inkpressive Productions Yes
@Siper yes
It’s really interesting looking back on this video over three years later. RadicalSoda was FAR more lenient on this than I feel he’d be if he made this video now.
Yeah he tore lost world apart
Sonic: Near Automatic.
Rewatched the video today and got adds. I watched them to the end just for Poppy, I guess you two Radical.
Nier Automata?
Jonah Abenhaim no it was a reference to a very obscure episode of the adventures of sonic the hedgehog. Yes it’s nier automata
Sonic:salty fans edition.
It'll take you more than that 2B a good comedian
Huh, apparently according to a recent Famitsu article, 3 of Sonic Forces' apparent "4 years in development" were actually just spent building the hedgehog engine 2.0 and making concepts for Forces, and they actually spent just a year making Forces. That explains why it sucks, but doesn't explain why they didn't just take more time to make it actually good. After all, even without it we'd have Mania to hold us up until it was finished and GOOD.
"4 years building the engine" but somehow Sonic Unleased (a game made MORE THEN TEN YEARS AGO) looks better than this.
Wait why create a new game engine the orginal was perfectly fine yeah it had its moments but was completely serviceable
Strange thing is, as improved hedgehog engine 2.0 somehow is with its real time lighting and shadow effects, particle and stuff... Unleashed on the PS3 looks 10x better.
I think the same kinda thing happened with '06
Also that apparently wasn't originally supposed to be a Sonic game, so they kinda had to adapt for it
Yet somehow it turned out better than this
Dylan Punter I mean 06 was fun in some ways, intended or not.
Dude. While I had this on for background noise when I was starting Sonic Forces. I beat the game before the video finished.
Funnneeee joke.
Ultimate bruh
It took me two days because I didn’t have the will power to play all of it
@@gadget8637 it's true it's that easy 42 minutes total
BRUH
"From the creators of Sonic Colours and Sonic Generations"
That's clearly a lie.
This video proves it further.
"From people who saw fotage of Sonic Colors and Sonic Generations"
What they really meant was "with assets ripped from Colours and Generations"
"...also a few from lost world but we don't mention those one."
Literally, the two out of three level designers for this game were *NEWBIES.*
And guess what? The only one that had experience....
was the level designer for Lost World.
More like from sonic lost world
The fans are what Sega ain't!
We're actual coders and *FIX THE FUCKING GLITCHES!*
Having Sonic Boom Sonic in the game would have the "You're that Sonic from anothet dimension" line make more sense
Yeah but it would also imply that tails knew boom sonic, would be better than what we got though
"A Fake? How?"
(How? How? How? How?)
Absolutely brilliant.
Well, to be fair, I don’t think sonic has ever interacted with the shadow androids.
@@ShibuNub3305 he didn't even know they existed I don't think. In hero's, the only characters to find an army of shadow androids were rouge and E- 123 omega
Did the video clips in the intro change...?
Ok, I see Monika, so it's definitely different, lol.
That's literally me
thebahooplamaster I see you in every video I watch. Lol
It should ONLY BE MONIKA
Red Wizard same
A lot of them changed but many are the same
34:00
Well, about competent developers.
Rise of Lyric was such a buggy and inconsistent mess because of:
- SEGA's mismanagement
- Sonic Team's "You can't do that in Sonic game, even though it is a spin off" (such as darker, more complex story and more characters. Funfact - they wanted to have new inventors. Guess what - only TAILS can be an inventor)
- Nintendon't exclusivity deal for 3 games
- "Unspecified next gen hardware" - they didn't know about WiiU at the start, that's why they licensed CryEngine, which wasn't even compatible with WiiU. Thanks to Nintendo of all people CE was able to compile for the system.
- Downgrading everything because of WiiU
- In the meantime of developement - TV SHOW FOR KIDS WITHOUT DEVS KNOWING IT! Better story and characters? You silly!
- Developement hell - all of the above + inhouse arguments and deadlines.
In summary - we could have chao
To be fair, the "It's been generations since I've seen you" line was absolute gold and nothing will ever take that from me.
i normally ignore negative forces reviews because the game was set out for failure being an easy boost game and many people hating tank controls despite the level design being built in a manner where you normally don't have to turn (drifting at most) and many reviews constantly reference mania which i find unfair because it's a 2D spindash game with a retro asthetic, entirely different gameplay wise as well as many complaints going back to the boost formula being shit and begging for an open world sonic game or a mania sequel.
or just plain not going into detail with a strong example being dunky who had a grand total of 3 points, one saying most of the levels suck, particularly a slide section is garbage without saying why, stating the game only has 3 hours of content disregarding end game padding, and that the momentum is wack which i do agree, rest of the video was about mania.
but then there's this, a 1 hour in depth analysis of the game, actually addressing the moon medals unlike most day 1 reviewers, saying the level theming is recycled, explaining why momentum is wack, explaining how automation makes the game suffer by taking control away from the player. this is the best forces review out there, that's coming from a forces defender.
personally i enjoy the game as a type of dumb fun and most of the fun comes from retrying levels over and over to get those time trials with the costumes as a reward, changing the wispons and your own look keeps the gameplay interesting to me, but of course that's only for the OC, modern isn't too much fun on his own, classic can go kill himself, casually the game is a bore, completionism is wasted by the moon medals so it becomes fustraighting or boring, literally just doing the missions like S ranks and time trials, maybe pick up red rings along the way the game is enjoyable, it's cheaper than most games even with the $50 since most are 60 but i can see how you feel ripped off.
that being said though i can say it is the worst of the boost games, the zavoc boss fight is retarded "lets put tank control randomly dashing sonic into an arena, that'd be fun" and the oc actually controls better than sonic, tag team stages are the most fun part of the game for me with the complete moveset, honestly a tag team sonic game with tail's gadgets would of been infinitely better.
only buy the game if you want to support main series and show classic isn't needed as a clutch, colours is better than this game, and that game got out competed by its fucking handheld port, this game has a lot of 2D because it's easier to design for, rush is a great 2D boost game, rush adventure has better levels and more refined control scheme but has a lot more filler content, colours and gens DS ruin the trick system so it's more like charging gauge over time rather than maximizing air time.
can say the same with gens and unleashed, unleashed is more challenging but if filled to the brim with progress slowing medals while gens lets you burst through the game in a continued rush.
the thing i mainly apreciate from the game is the lack of filler (lost world animals, unleashed medals, heroes recycling the game 4fold, ext.) how stable it is even if it's down to the automation, the graphical fidelity, how it maintains a good framerate and how SA2y the story was (constantly changing, edgy, plot hole ridden, nice to laugh at) but the core game is a mediocre, automated, piss easy thing with not much visual variety. normally i can remember many sonic stages individually only having zones from the same game blend but with forces, entire continents blend together which is pretty fucking sad.
my favourite part of sonic is the variety and how they shake things up, i like the added gimmicks, but the core is meh.
the reason why i avoided reviews where because the good qualitys like music is standard so they devolve to bashfests, and while this video did have angry parts (my god paid super sonic, i fucking hate that too) i can tell it's out of love for modern instead of mania dick riding, you judged the game based on its predicessors in depth instead of its competition at surface level. i guess that's why i not only didn't skip but sat through the whole thing and wrote this essay.
this is why you're my favourite reviewer right now, and that's not even getting into the comedy and how much work you put in compared to your competition (just watch comedy gamers upload a video more than 30 minutes that's not a compilation or a reviewer that has this great of a balance between articulation and comedy) keep up the great work.
_chances of him reading are practically non-existant so i guess random commenter who made it this far, how nerdy did i go?_
*paraphrased* you did good, i agree with the points but disagree with how it's not fun, i get dumb fun enjoyment but i'd still recommend rush 1/2 and gens over this.
You wrote a fucking novel.
he filmed a movie
sonic meerkat very nerdy? I didn't want to read it all. I got a grip on what you were addressing 😂
I'm sorry, with how little 3D there is in Forces, I think its almost unfair to compare the 2 games for the opposite reason that most think.
They are nearly the same kind of game, with how little 3D there actually is in Forces. And Forces is pitiful compared to Mania, even Generations.
Why buy Sonic Forces for $40 when you can buy Sonic Mania twice?
The idea that fueled mania plus
I actually just did that just to get the physical stuff. I was going to wait until Forces was on sale but no. Just no.
I did that. Got it on release for the xbox one and purchased mania plus for the switch lmfao
But for Radicalsoda it was 70 dollars.
Here in New Zealand forces is $70.00 and mania plus is also $70.00 at eb games (our GameStop).
Rad singing the Metropolis Zone theme sounds like he's being forced with a gun to his head. The little "AH"s are the gunman lightly teasing the trigger.
RadicalSoda: The Movie 2
Vintage sonic 1 *T H E M O V E*
Can't wait for RadicalSoda: The Movie 3 & knuckles
Vintage sonic 1 *THE MOIVE*
Vintage sonic 1 should it be Radical soda adventure 2 battle the movie
RadicalSoda: The Movie 4 Electric Boogaloo World Adventure DX Director’s Cut 2 Battle & Knuckles
This is the mother of all Sonic Forces reviews. A review to surpass Metal Gear.
try the great clement's sonic 06 review its 3 hours long.
He said Forces not 06
1:02:04 I’m not even sure if this is deliberate, but that is almost exactly how Team Sonic’s story in Sonic Heroes opens. Rewatching that cutscene, it’s actually a great way of establishing characters and their relationships quickly while also keeping a lighthearted, action-oriented tone for the story; that Eggman’s voice reads off his letter in particular is great.
Am I watching RadicalSoda or...
GRAND METROPOLIS!
*DA DA DA DAA DAAA DA DA DA DA DAAAAAAAA!*
+Noob MT WAIT! THIS ISN'T GRAND METROPOLIS! THIS IS.... METROPOLIS ZONE!
NO THIS ISN’T METROPOLIS ZONE IT’S
METROPOLITAN HIGHWAY!
Wait this isn't grand metropolis this is westoplis!
Oh god why
@@zortube3835 Yeah, why you put your face on your youtube acount??
Realised something the other day, the use of the wisps pretty much just adds to the automation
With wisps they can basically just create walls of boost capsules so no matter what you get a large upgrade of boost, which you can’t really do with rings. This pretty much means that they can create pre-built boost to win areas like all the ones where you just have to go in a straight line and destroy enemies
“Presenting his ass cheeks to Chaos as an offering” 😂😂😂
You beat chaos 4, WHAT ARE YOU DOING?!
@@raybob8668 “idk to be honest the programmers were to lazy to make me playable and fight chaos”
As soon as I heard “lost my shit”, I knew this was gonna be a good video
Wait a minute. This isn’t Rad’s first 2018 video. This is Grand Metropolis zone!
hi
Wait a minute this isnt Grand Metropolis zone! This is... METROPOLITAN HIGHWAY
I remember when i was actually excited about this game
i do not regret never playing it
The prophesized day has come, I missed you... old friend
Why does his avatar have breasts?
sweetgurl crystal Idk
we will never know....
+moist your profile pic make me moist ;)))
Oscar Vazquez never look at me like that again
Wait a minute
I’m not playing this game
THIS IS JUST
COMPLETELY F*CKING AUTOMATED
Silly Goose they had us in the first half not gonna lie
How Fannnnntastic
Can we count this as a game I think it’s just a really long interactive cutscene
@@TheMoonlitLady Me too. Honestly, don't get this unless it's both on sale and you're doing it for the mods on PC.
One big cutscene/movie
"You earn speed like how you earn Super Sonic- by pressing a button." Shots fired! Oh my god, that had to be my favorite line by how bold it was!
At first I thought Poppy was dressed like Darkrai... then I realized why Infinite looks so familiar.
Honestly best Sonic forces review and the most in depth one, people cant make a review as good as you made for 3 minutes, but youres is an 1 hour, ITS AMAZING.
Don't you mean People can't
Does it even matter?
I was listening to a video essay the other day and the creator used the Grand Metropolis music in the background at one point. As soon as I noticed it I immediately paused it and thought "This isn't a video essay! This is just...GRAND METROPOLIS! (insert Rad's beautiful singing here)"
Is this now Radical Soda season 2? Also oncw again an amazing Video Rad, there should really be more people to at least try and make just as high quality content as you. I would've never even imagined that anyone would have so much to say about such a bland and boring game. And yet you still make all of it very entertaining. Honestly they should hire you as Actor and Writer. You would be like Tommy Wisou only that you are really really good at it.
Also i 100% agree with you with Super Sonic being DLC. I had a discussion about it lately and it is just completely shitty of them it's basically like saying: "Aaah yes Super Sonic, yeah he is in the Game since Day 1 so we COULD give him to you but do you know what? How about you give us $2 and then play as him in a game that already is incredibly boring and easy"
KHC Plays So many things in this video show effort. Especially the fact that it is about Sonic Forces, where the most effort was probably in the music.
More like: "Super sonic? Whats a su- OH SHIT we forgot to add him, uh..."
"Why dont we make him on a patch?"
"AND WE MONETIZE IT!!!"
NULL space would’ve been the perfect place for a 3 Vs Infinite
Chaos Emeralds Vs Phantom Ruby Boss fight
Also the Final boss should’ve been called Phantom Dragoon
Also, replace Avatar with Knuckles (with Wispons) and Classic Sonic with Silver.
Id rather have had Boom Sonic than Classic Sonic. Itd at least give some interaction between tails and the other sonic
*Boom Sonic* : "Even I think there's too many bouncepad's here."
"YOU COULD NEVER HAVE TOOMANYRINGS"
Sonic boom was actually decent
@@TheCrimsonCoon Oh the series was really good. I actually wanted to see some older characters come back revamped more; but no more seasons :(
But at least we got Vector the Detector :D
The Avatar is the real saving grace of this game. If the Avatar wasn't in this game, I definitely wouldn't like this game as much as I do.
It feels like more was planned for this game. Especially with Infinite.
NGL, I was prepared for Infinite to betray Eggman like Chaos before him and become the true final boss.
Part of me is hoping that more is planned for Infinite cuz his story doesn't feel complete, like there has to be more.
@@MelonTartVA I agree. I hope Infinite returns in at least ONE more game, since there's a lot of potential for him in boss fights and gameplay mechanics thanks to his powers etc.
THE WHOLE GAME WAS MARKETED AS THE FUCKING AVATAR THING WHAT FUCKING "IF IHE WASN'T IN GAME".
@@ahmadkazan7994 Jesus calm down ya fucking 6 year old
Wait wait wait, Zavok can STING IN THE PC VERSION?! *HOLY MOLY, TECHNOLOGY!!!*
(The game's still horrendous just thought i'd make a joke on the fact that there are more features in one version of the game then the other)
He can sting on ps4 too, maybe you just beat him fast enough.
Nothing changes between versions. I played on the Switch and he stung.
5:50 Wha? Honestly 06’s characterisation of Shadow was one of the better things of that game
yeah, and shadow the hedgehog(Game) does have some moments where he's kinda funny. and there are a lot of good characterization in Sonic X
It was great. Shadow was the protagonist of that game.
Finally!!
I thought NO ONE would ever bring up the Stomp sound problem!
i saw it from the first ever gameplay trailer
Same
this video was literally the gateway drug that got me into watching more sonic content and for that I will never forget this video
The phantom ruby corrupts whoever has contact with it....Sonic last had contact with it being teleported to the forces world, I think the phantom ruby corrupted sonics great gameplay into ass
Switcher Wind Genius comment.
but thats just a theory...
This comment is extremely underrated.
This is best comment
Switcher of the Wind that would be one heck of a plot twist.
oh hey, you have the framed Monika picture on your shelf... Huh.
JakTheSaures pretty sure that was there in the last video too
Hopefully she's there forever.
just monika.
Pretty buns.
I love your quirky, lively humour, and your honest take on Sonic games!!
SONIC FORCES YOU TO ASK IF RADICAL SODA IS A GIRL (bad comment)
HoshiHearts RetroGaming *good comment
Whos soda
Gaming Bros//GB A man who is mistaken for woman.
The only thing I liked from Forces was Infinite's theme.
I may be a closet edgelord.
...and Fist Bump!
You are not alone, friend. Infinite’s theme is awesome.
Imo, the music is the best bit of the game. Everything else is just... boring.
i liked the cover with egoraptor rapping it XD
But what about that stardust speedway remix?
Nobody:
Radicalsoda when he sees green hill:
*NINENINENINENINENINENINE*
What do get for the collectibles?
YOU GET NOTHING! YOU LOSE! Good day to you sir. I SAID GOOD DAY!
Radical soda...uploaded another hour long Radical Soda video?.....
I guess for once, Knuckles can finally say
“Oh Yeah”
Infinitydev 2020
Something is wrong with you.
That's the Kool Aid man's line.
De whey
@@JordiiiPop I was 16 when I made this comment
"The game's playing itself Jon! The game's playing itself Jon!"
"God has come to reap the sinners"
"You look at him, and tell me there's a God."
“AHHH AHHH”
How Sonic Forces could have been perfect:
-Have Sonic taken out of the story towards the beginning as usual, but don't have him come back until the very end.
-Scrap both Classic, and the custom character.
-Bring back the Heroes system where you switch between a team of 3 characters.
-Have the characters be various members of the resistance (Tails, Knuckles, Shadow, Silver, Espio, Rouge, Omega, Charmie, Hector, Blaze, and Sonic in the end / post game).
-Give each character a unique wisp-like ability that helps them overcome certain obstacles and gain advantages in combat (Tails being able to fly, Knuckles having a punch attack, Silver being able to float temporarily, etc).
-Make the game fully 3D with cleaner Adventure style physics, and boost gameplay.
-Improve the level design, making it more open with more alternate routes, more creative locals, and time that clocks in at least longer than two minutes (probably closer to 5 to 10).
-Improve the role of the villains. Each should have two boss fights: One early on in their base forms, and one later on in their ultimate forms. And they should be more complicated than hitting rocks or running in a straight line.
-When they say Sonic is being tortured, actually have it seem that way. Keep him upbeat for a little while, but still a little roughed up in appearance and tone of voice. And later on in the story, he should just be completely broken until he escapes.
-Infinite should be a much more significant villain. For one, his ability to warp reality and create dimensions could have been used in a far more interesting way in terms of boss fights and story. And he definitely should have had a more complex backstory, and some kind of role in the final boss.
-The cutscene quality and general visuals and presentation could have been slightly better.
-Boosting shouldn't have been refilled by enemies. Instead, they could have used the blue orbs from Sonic Mania. They take up less space and probably allow for slightly better level design.
-Enemies should have been much more diverse. Perhaps an actual threat at least. Enemies that chase you down, enemies that target shots, enemies that take a few more hits to beat, enemies that act as larger obstacles, etc.
And that's all I can really think of.
I've got one!
DON'T REUSE GREEN HILL AND CHEMICAL PLANT FOR THE THIRD F***ING TIME.
So basically just scrap the whole original game and do it right.
You can keep the character creator but have a few more options, and maybe have sonic escape but he doesn't immediately meet up with the resistance and but instead have him go around each level looking for them
Some Kind of Democrat Or at least let him come into play at least after like stage 5 or 6. Seriously the game is just like "Oh no, Sonic has been killed.... oh never mind he's just been kept prisoner. Oh no, he's been tortured for 6 months! That will surely..... never mind he's just perfectly fine. No bruises or lose of sanity." Seriously why did they decide to translate this plot point from the Japanese version into fucking torture?!
Some Kind of Democrat didn't you just write this before, or was that someone else?
"You make a good game, and people will buy it." Really? Psychonauts and Beyond Good and Evil would like to have a word with you Rad
So would Mania...but alas, it all depends really
And The World Ends With You
Sadly not all good games get the attention they deserve
Litten Fire that games has had 2 remakes, a spot in Kingdom Hearts, tons of merchandising, and they just announced a Switch Remake. Just because a game isn't Mario in terms of sales doesn't mean it doesn't get its due.
Alienrun Mania? Why Mania? Loads of people heard of it.
He directly addresses SEGA and sonic team, when you make a good game in the Mario franchise it WILL get more sales than an indie game, When you make a good game in your multi-billion dollar franchise of around 25 years, One of which has been plagued by bad releases and is quite popular....... *People will notice it*
I come back to this video everytime I get annoyed or think my life's bad
Because I know this game is worse than any suffering you can go through
You know your game is bad when people are complimenting aspects in 06...
To be honest I thought 06 was a better game
But not from gameplay and story though.
Spike Spiegel meh i like forces more
Ale and aslo complimenting Boom...
06 is better and yes I’ll even say the story is better
You forgot to mention that only 3 guys worked on level design
and did you know that they were FUCKING NEW
2 out of 3 them didn't even know what Sonic was.
Pedro Henrique they didn’t do completely awful though
One guy who's not even actually interested in Sonic as a franchise made the Sonic Infinity Engine, and that's actually pretty good.
Wait…
Baby's first sonic game.
This game is for people who nevered played a video game in there life, that's why it's so easy.
What did those people do to deserve this?
Me:(sees new Radicalsoda video on Sonic Forces is an hour long.) Welp, might as well order from Hooters and warm up some Totino's pizza rolls.
King Bash I see you like High Quality Video Game Rips and Jojokes
How did you know?
MeowserTheGamingKoopa because of a Totino's Pizza Rolls comment in a Sonic video
That... was supposed to be a Totinos joke...
MeowserTheGamingKoopa because it not delivery its diGIORNO
*LOST MY SH*T.*
Classic has a speed cap. A speed C A P.
Dev team really looked at how Sonic controlled in the very first game and said "We can't possibly top this!". Makes me wonder why they didn't also bring back the spike bug and get rid of the spindash and drop dash if they were really going for that 1991 nostalgia.
I have no idea how you get 1 hour vids each 2 weeks and their such high quality. But I love you
"shall we get going?" "there's no need to rush..."
I love the heroes version of shadow
21:51 I love the delivery of this line so much for some reason
New vid WOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Rely on rad to use the worst image of quipp for reference
moist
All the images of quipp are the worst, because quipp _is_ the worst
SEGA:* makes forces *
Eggman: enjoy all the nothing
Man... That intro joke was pretty... Shitty
I guess you could say it was pretty *F O R C E D*
How fast did you think of that joke? Sonic fast?
Man this comment section is a BLAST
King 55142 Except it feels a bit more Color-ful.
🤣🤣🤣
You sir are definitely a true sonic fan. I hated how much people compared this game to Mania. Glad ot see you kept it in the boat it was meant ot be judged in. Sure it doesn't hold up well, but it's thankfully not another 06 fall.
Sadly it'll take a complete sit down and refocus on Sega's end for us to truly get a good 3D Sonic game. I mean, come on, all they have to do is look at this 1 hour long review video and they'll SEE what needs to be done. Just give us a FUN sonic game again, not something that's so piss easy and automated! Honestly an open-world take would probably be a rather neat thing to see. With Sonic's speed, travelling a large map sounds really cool and fun if done correctly.
They got the music correct. They got the graphics perfect practically. But everything else needs improving, some MAJORLY so (like the bloody controls). When many older Sonic games of similar style are CLEARLY better than your new product, something is wrong.
Maybe Sonic just needs to ditch the platformer genre entirely. For a creature known for speed, I never did quite understand WHY they stuck with trying to do 'speed run' platformer for Sonic when a true speed run that's FUN is one that takes the super difficult route (like some of the super mario maker levels and mods people have made). sonic never really struck me as aiming for a difficulty curve...we need what SA2 did, which was following a neat story that made us go running through memorable and unique stages that rewarded you for taking those 'cool and tricky' routes. Where you really had to get good at the level to earn that S rank. I miss Sonic games like that because not only was it FUN, but Sonic looked cool doing it. My sis used to have her jaw drop when I flawlessly ran an SA2 stage.
I'll just end this by saying...I'm glad I grew out of buying these crap games on day one. I have a feeling Sega is hiding behind their still loved mascot's name and only relying on that to bring in sales. They won't learn if young blind players mindlessly keep buying the stuff that show they haven't learned anything. It's sad...I wish Sonic was good again. And no Mania ain't cutting it for me. Classic Sonic is good for what it is, but I've grown out of side-scrolling 16-bit era. My brain needs something more engaging.
UltimateTH compare this to manía ,well obviusly is not better than manía but is not baaaaad,but is dissapointing, i get the reasons
I don't think people really directly compared Mania to Forces. They just came out at a similar time and people just kinda said "why even play this worse, more expensive game when you have something produced by the same company that's just a better game for less"
That tiny wave Bear Grylls gives to the camera upon his entrance never fails to crack me up.
27th re-watch and I'm still cracking a grin.
The lack of bosses for Chaos and Shadow really pissed me off. Before the game released, they were hyping us up for the "mystery" behind Shadow joining the side of evil. And then it just turns out that he's a copy, and he's defeated with one attack...in a FUCKING cutscene! Seriously, they clearly only included Shadow and Chaos to appeal to Adventure fans. They couldn't even bother to make them the least bit relevant in the game.
Yeah that annoys me too
TheZeroNeonix Having fake Shadow as a boss in the Shadow episode would have been awesome.
Yeah, they should've at least had Classic Sonic fight the fake Chaos 0 before his first level, and Modern Sonic fight the fake Shadow before the real Shadow kicks the fake Shadow. They could've made remixes of the Chaos 0 battle music from Sonic Adventure for a Chaos 0 fight and a remix of "Almost Dead" from Shadow the Hedgehog for a fight with the fake Shadow.
Also why did zavok be the only phantom to have a personality? And tails character degradation? I get it sonic team you hate adventure and all but shit man.
Heh, what if Tails has somehow been a phantom ever since Sonic Unleashed? I know, he's not a phantom, but I think it'd be a nice plot twist if he was, and if (the phantom) Tails died in Sonic Forces.
Is Poppy going through "a phase"?
PoZitron thumbnail lady is named Poppy
The Average Joe mom.
Wait, having Super Sonic doesn't even make sense in a story sense. If Sonic had all of the Chaos Emeralds to begin with, he wouldn't have been captured by Eggman and 'tortured' for months!
>people in the comments liking forces over mania
I too, like games that play themselves.
Nico Yazawa
Very true
Wait a minute! This isn't a game. This is just... a video!
@@Photimus it is it....a telltale product?
~~dose anyone miss them?~~
Like rpgs...........yes I hate rpgs don't judge
Yup I love to just watch and do nothing
WHOA. Did you say that Arsenal Pyramid's interior music was "NOT GOOD"??
It's fine to have your opinion, that just shocked me is all. It's my personal favourite track in the game.
Amazing video as always. Good work.
Could you imagine a very complex system for sonics running, tech wise. Like you're not just a floating character model with animation its got like physics and stuff.
That'd be cool.
Sonic Adventure 1 and 2 actually had a more complex, realistic-feeling control style for Sonic than Forces did. I'm not talking necessarily about the Adventure gameplay overall, but Sonic feels like he actually obeys the laws of physics. When you go up a hill without anything pushing you up there (like boost pads), you actually lose speed. When you go downhill, you gain an immense amount of speed compared to going uphill or moving on flat terrain. In Forces, you nailed describing it. Sonic is basically just a floating object with no inertia or momentum, just gliding across all kinds of terrain without said terrain affecting his speed at all. It's fucking pathetic that a 20 year old Dreamcast game feels better to control than a modern game.
Is it wrong that I can say that that already exists, it is a game called Crumble. It actually handles speed very well and the character is just a blue blob.
Spark 3
I don’t mean to be rude but silver was in sonic rivals one and two for the PlayStation portable. So that’s how he knew the sonic and the gang
Carlton Powell yeah but he is from the future so, why did he bother to come back? If he is the same silver, certainly the future didnt get messed up by eggman so, why is silver needed in the past?
The future did get mixed up because of Eggman summoning the Ifrit (bad guy) in the future with Eggman Nega in Rivals 2.
Mngalahad I don’t know that’s a good point I was just explaining how Silver new Sonic, tails, Knut, shadow, etc lol but good point
More Radical goodness!
*goddess
THE ENENY!
Watching a bunch of your videos while I’m sick and they’re keeping me quite entertained.
You know, this game's chemical plant look interesting, it looks cold and wintery on the outside. Congrats, sonic forces level designers, you did a thing!
Hero Path (most positive): Nitro Rad
Neutral Path (most meh): Somecallmejohnny
Dark Path (most negative): Radical Soda
Okay, I gotta say this in one of these reviews: I fucking love this game's soundtrack to death, it's so much fun and catchy and cheesy, especially the Avatar songs, Classic Sonic's songs overall can die in a fire, just change the instruments please, but that's it's only blemish, oh my god I love it more than Mania's soundtrack, it's what I want from a Sonic soundtrack.
Dark part should go to AntDude tho...
Eh, the instrumentation across the board is pretty bland and obnoxious. The shrill synth for Modern Sonic is really aggravating, particularly when it actively undermines the songs' composition, like for Sunset Heights (which should've had more guitar) and Network Terminal Outside (would've been great with sax). Classic's soundtrack was just trash, especially following Mania, and the Avatar's is just generic, though I personally enjoy Aqua Road.
Shadow Path (“special mode” (most scathing): Techsnakerer
I'm on dark. I despise forces. Heck I think 06 is 1 billion times better than forces.
Am I the only one who finds Classic Sonic's OST from Forces as bad as Chronicles' OST?
Man, I hope Sonic Frontiers turns out better than thi. Imagine if it had areas as cool as the concepts at 1:00:38 that would be amazing. And hey, Open-World 3D Sonic seems to be exactly what Forces was lacking. While the promo shots on the website are neat, I hope it’s more than just grasslands, generic forests and a dessert
The reason why sonic forces is this way is not because of sonic team incompetence (well maybe a little) but because all the generations/colours developers were on other projects or fired(Not sure about the fired part though) and most of the developers they could get were new people who had never worked on anything sonic related before except for 1 lost world developer so that plays a big part. And not to mention the fact that they decided to make an entirely new engine for this game which took 2 out of the 4 year development time alone and 1 year on concept and only a single year on physical game development. With this in mind I think if they hadn't encountered these problems then the game would have been much better.
Welp decided to make a reply chain since one giant wall of text would be silly.
Tails' character being a whiny wimp was a change made long before forces in Unleashed so expecting a change is just ridiculous. Sonic's character is cocky, arrogant,brave and caring character but to say in the last few years sonic lacks emotion is dumb as that's how he's been in all the mainline games the Adventure series was him being WOAH! and TERIA! Heroes was him being YEAH TEAMWORK! etc. Finally story at this point expecting a grand story is just false hope you want that just read the archie comics.
Nah. Those developers went on to work at Nintendo. Mostly the Unleashed/Generations team
That explains why this engine seems worse than Generation's despite being on a next gen console