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I'd say the worst twist was when they hyped up Juno to be the big bad of the series, only to have her get killed off in some random tie-in comic by someone we never meet in the games and never mention her again.
I think the Lisbon earthquake, in Rogue, was a good story catalyst. Also, the Templars and Assassins are different sides of the same coin, making it murky to define who is really good or evil.
Both originally wanted the same thing--peace. However, they sought it in different manners. The Assassins had the "kill one, save a thousand" method, and the Templars had the mind control method. It was only when Altair took over that the Assassins took that they took to defending free will. Haytham Kenway mentions that freedom, a product of free will, will only lead to chaos. He also mocks the idea of "freedom" when privileged rich men met chose a general to fight the British, then use clever wordplay to make it sound like it was "the people's choice" when they privately made decisions to benefit only themselves. Also, the 1755 Lisbon earthquake wasn't the only real event mentioned in Rogue. In 1751, an earthquake occurred near Port-au-Prince, Haiti. The Assassins had tried to get another Isu relic there, and "[w]hat happened in Haiti happened in Portugal." They knew what could happen, and they did nothing. It was only after Shay had turned Templar, killed most of the Colonial Assassin's leadership, and chased the remaining two to the Arctic for a similar artifact that Achilles saw fit to abandon the search.
the problem I see is that both of them are half right and that's what makes them fundamentalists and dangerous. The assassins was free will and the ability to choose your own course which is great and I don't think anyone's going to disagree with them but the templars want order they want things in place to keep the people from doing whatever they feel like because that would just cause chaos and for a society to function there has to be limits to individual freedoms for the greater good.
I actually really like the idea that the Isu are the deities of mythology. We think of them as gods because of their feats and technology but they're just an advanced race and not have gods at all. It makes sense within the game.
Same! It makes sense why we'd see them as gods, similar to Thor & Asgard in the MCU or Arrival with Amy Adams or a ton of other pieces of science fiction storytelling.
It's based on a conspiracy theory that the human race was created by Anunnaki to be slaves. There was a book published in 2005 called "Slave Species of the Gods: The Secret History of the Anunnaki and Their Mission on Earth". I stumbled on this a couple of years ago and couldn't believe that the writers would use this in the games.
I like it too. Although I’m Catholic, I kinda want to see how an Isu version of Jesus. We already know that, in-universe, he used an Apple of Eden to turn water into wine, and the Shorud of Eden resurrected him.
It would have been funny if Alexios and Kassandra survived the fall because there was a haystack or pile of leaves at the bottom that broke their fall.
I mean it's implied that Kassandra/Alexio's Isu blood helped them survive the fall. Hell, they swan dive off of mountains and the top of Poseidon's Palace into a pile of roses....
I actually didn't bother that Pythagoras was your father. Although it was kind of weird to be the child of the guy guilty of my biggest headaches in math class.
Julius Caesar wasn't the Father of Understanding, it's kind of an abstract concept. Originally it was a name refering the Isu Jupiter but since Ceaser was considered a god the Templars of that time reffered to him as "The Father of Understanding" When the Templars became Christian Knights they reffered to the Christian god as that too. The phrase doesn't have a fixed meaning.
Gaius Iulius Caesar was his name, Caesar is just a title that means Emperor, Rex would mean king. So basically there was a Marcus Aurelius Caesar, an Augustus Caesar, etc….. Caesar being just an addition to the actual name, a byword to explain an emperors rank and importance
@@theburningman5047 No, Caesar was his name and since he was regarded as one of the greatest men to ever live everyone wanted to be like him so it kind of stuck around like a title, the german Kaiser and slavic Tsar derive from his name. But it originally wasn't a title, it became when the next emperors after him continued to use the name Caesar as a source of legitimacy. Octavian Augustus was his nephew and he originally took the title in order to gain legitimacy and show that he was Julius Caesar's successor.
They never forgot the Reincarnated sages after Unity, there was a sage in Syndicate during the WWI segment, but was subtly mentioned, A sage in Origins that went by the name of "The son of ra." There was no Sages in Odyssey. There were a ton of sages in Valhalla though; Eivor is Odin, Sigurd is Tyr, Basim is Loki, Faravid is Sif, Halfdan Ragnarrson is Thor, Rigsougour is Heimdall, Svala is Freya, and Harald Fine hair is The Isu Freyr.
I actually think that the earthquake was a clever way to begin Shay's path. It was such a great way of exposing the disorder and arrogant ways of the old American assassin's
I really liked that they brought another perspective of Aelfred in the game and I understood his motives. The only thing I hated was that you could see that he is a Templar the very first moment you saw him and then looking at the tree in the orders menu. From his silhouette you could directly see he is The Father..
Honestly the silhouettes are a mood killer because we can easily guess who si who. Especially the members tied-in with story quests. I think Odyssey and Origins actually had that planned a bit better. Edit: I would also like to add that Aelfred probably was only able to extinguish the Order in England and that he only mentions forming something else, but never says "hey it's the templar order". I don't think he wanted neither order like they were, but eventually those who came after him thought otherwise. Not to mention the Order of Ancients is like a Hydra: cut the head in a place and two to three will soon appear. If ubisoft management weren't so keen in making people play the expansions as soon as they bought them even in lower levels - which to me was kind of a sus move, considering the extensive volume of copies sold - they could actually mention another faction of the Order in Francia (which we are alluded to, but in a very superficial manner). The templar order was indeed only created in 1118, but it isn't far fetched to think they already existed as a organised group in the shadows who wanted control of the Holly Land and needed a public alias, which eventually took over.
Evie getting with Henry isn’t a twist, it’s a nonentity that came out of left field. It has no major buildup or payoff, it’s just a thing that happens. And Kassandra surviving the fall is literally her origin story, how is that a twist?
Every time I bumped into them as Jacob I got the impression they were off doing they're own thing together which made me go, what's going on with these 2? 😁
The Templar ideology isn’t evil, I love how people make the connection that Templar = evil assassin = good just because we kill templars. Ælfred still did the things that made him great as the founder of the order. Templars and assassins want the same thing but their methods differ it’s not good or evil.
@@kensredemption one believes in peace through order and control the other believe in peace through freedom and liberty, the end goal is the same but the journey to get there differs.
1:45 OMG, this was the WORST!!!! I remember this playing out and explaining it to my friend later as basically "Hey, I'm Pythagoras. I haven't been mentioned at all so far, but I happen to be your dad too. Oh, by the way, that's Atlantis behind me"
Most of this was nitpicky because its not historically accurate. Side note: when people say names incorrectly even tho the game says it, you know they know nothing on the subject.
In case of Pythagoras its not that simple. They needed staff of Hermes also to give Kassandra immortality so Her and Layla could meet. So saying that Pythagoras presence in the game is that forced isnt exactly true. Would say it serves as an example for Kassandra and player that YES, staff of Hermes can prolong your life when used. (Later staff was used in Valhalla to resurrect one of the characters). edit: Also nitpicking with King Alefred... Order of Ancient and Templars arent exactly the same :) And no one says that Aelfred in games is Evil. He just wanted build something better and new that would benefit others. Its not that hard to believe that his idea was mangled through next centuries.
The inclusion is still forced. There are literally millions of ways to get that staff to Kassandra, they just picked the guy everyone knows to shoe-horn him in.
Tactless or not, the Lisbon earthquake part of Rogue is still one of my favorite parkour free runs in any game ever. I had so much fun, I replayed the memory right away.
@@av1shh You can replay memories in Rogue. I do it all the time. When I couldn't yet afford a PS4 I'd replay Shay's moments in glitched Paris. Those are filed under 'incomplete memories.'
I don't personally have a problem with all the gods being Isu. That one was basically said to be the case since AC2. But the problem is that all the myths are now just true as well and they are just some kind of beasts the Isu created. Which isn't interesting. The interesting thing would be that these myths are some kind of misconception where someone used a piece of Eden (which are not infinitely strong). Like when Al Mualim said that someone could make an illusion that made it appear as water had turned to wine. In the current AC, they would just introduce a piece of Eden that can turn water into wine just to have it as a reference.
@@Ghost_-nz5dy Yeah, I know. But it's not like this was a known occurence. At least I never heard of a time in egypt where people got killed and they thought the ghosts of the ancient Pharaohs came back to punish them. It would have been way more interesting to see the ancient pharaohs themselves imo.
You can tell that Ragnarok that Eivor lives is different from the original ragnarok that happened to the isu.I think Valka's potions that eivor drinks,for example,act like a primitive animus that shows previous events but in an inaccurate way and that explains why eivor at the end of the Asgard story saw the gods with Normal clothes and ,later,when we live all the animus anomalies,we see the same cutscene with the gods dressed like the isu (sorry for my incorrect grammar,english is not my first language)
@@raid3n496 Yeah, Eivor in this Valka's pothion hallusinations saw the Isu history, BUT through her knowledge of gods, it's all mixed, cause she even couldn't imagine such an advanced technological race from her 10th century point of view.
I think they’re in the clear for using a real life disaster as a plot device when the disaster was in 1755 lol. Also I think this dude might just hate the AC series…
I mean, with Evie and Henry green if you check Evie's carriage on the train there is always a different bouquet of flowers in her vase with a hidden message that Henry is leaving her. Most notably is him professing his undying love to her pretty early in the game.
“The isu are all gods of old mythology” really? Y’all didn’t work this out with Minerva and juno and Adam and Eve stealing the apple from the garden of Eden 🤦♂️you can’t make these lists up man
AND it was set up! If you easedrop on Ade and Achillies they bring up that Haiti suffered a horrific earthquake and in it the Templars (aka Laurence Washington) got the mcguffins.
Fun fact: Patrice Desilets killed off Lucy because he was being hounded for royalties (and probably because his plans were being destroyed anyway). Also, originally, it was Cain, not Caesar, who was the Father of Understanding, since Cain started the Children (the true precursors of the Templar Order), and the cross itself is traced back to the mark which was placed on him. This was known in ACII.
As a huge mythology geek I actually love the fact that all Isu are the gods of legends. I mean didn't it start that way anyways? Juno, Minerva, Jupiter? Roman gods.
as a big fan of black flag and rogue the sage reveal should be higher on this list it's underwhelming not to mention the anti climatic final act of black flag on the contrary the lisbon earthquake is a good twist and good setup for the game it rrally what pushed shayne's morale
Alfred is a religious fanatic. He destroys the order even though they want the same thing because they are pagan and he hates them for it. After Eivor saves his life he orders her death as well because she doesn't convert to Christianity. So while it does not seem to make sense to destroy an organisation only to immediately start another one with the same agenda, it does make sense if you look at it from a religious point of view. The Knights Templar of AC1 and from then on don't care about the religious beliefs of their members (some even appear to be atheists) but Aldred makes it clear that he believes peace and prosperity can only be achieved if all of mankind believes in Jesus Christ, a believe that was standart at the time and is sadly still around in some parts of the world (looking at the "American taliban" here).
Unlike the real live Templars and Assassins, who were basically warrior monks of Catholicism and Islam, these ones are more philosophical, in regards to freedom vs security.
I honestly gotta disagree with the Aelfred pick. Him creating the Templars is really sound and people keep forgetting that they aren’t Evil, they are just fanatics. When quelled properly their ideals of order work and Aelfred wanted that Education and Order to be united under “Gods Vision”.
The father of understanding isn't actually Caesar it's whatever the templars believe it is and one of Caesar's lackeys believed he was and says so, and that's where people get the idea that Caesar is the father of understanding from
But, that isn’t true. Playing through Assassin’s Creed Valhalla tells us The Father of Understanding is a title granted to an Isu. A group of three Isu made a Triad in times of fire need. Jupiter, Minerva and Juno made the final triad. Being The Father of Understanding, The Voice, and The Mother respectively.
I'd say Shay causing the Lisbon earthquake wasn't a bad plot twist but a realization that both Templars and Assassins have one thing in common and it is that they play "God" to force their own ideals to a world no man can control.
this is so bad. Kassandra surviving the fall isn't a plot twist, you know you did immediately. Alfred being a templar doesn't make him Evil, because both sides are technically good. And Julius being the father of understanding is a bad plot twist not because it fell flat, but because it makes no sense. Why would the Pius christian templar order still worship pagan Julius as their father of understanding? Origins ruined a lot of the previous set up lore for this game.
I liked the twist with pythagoras. Why. Its not an assassins creed game Its a classic greek tragedy. Featuring demigods, not mortals as our heroes. Since the ISU are even longer dead and it wouldnt make sense to make kassandra a child of one, what better than a legendary figure who has lived long past his time? Of apparently a strong isu bloodline? In ancient greek stories almost everyone was a child of a god if they were a hero in a major story (save exceptions like Orpheus who just sang really well and Jason who instead simply had the favor of the gods while medea his ex wife was the demigod instead)
5:55 It is pointed out on TV Tropes that the game does, to an extent, explain how you survive; as you unlock more synch points, implicitly drawing closer to what Kassandra was like, you remove fall damage, meaning you can leap from any hight and survive, even though anyone you knock off these same ledges with the Spartan Kick, will die. We can assume from this that Kassandra and Alexios, who, since they have the same bloodline, presumably have this ability from the start, and that it unlocking through synch points is just Layla's mind accepting she can make these leaps, meaning it makes perfect sense that they survived the fall.
You can tell this guy never played the games because Juno not being the big bad ass should've been number one. AC build her up since day one and nothing came out of that shit in game. Ubisoft then tried to get us to read a comic about what happened to her instead of letting it play out in the game
Julius Ceasar IS NOT the Father of Understanding, people look at him as such due to his power, but the true Father of Understanding is Jupiter (as mentioned all through out the series)
1 - was that even a plot twist? I think everyone knew that from the beginning 2 - that was one of the best plot twists ever lol 3 - that was obvious too, maybe you are just too blind or sth 4 - I don't know why it's bad, what's wrong with that lol 5 - Kassandra/Alexios are literally demigods, why is that weird they survived that? Honestly this list is 100% forced 6 - don't know why it's bad either 7 - ok, this one is bad, I'll give you that 8 - and for the 3rd time I don't know what is bad in that 9 - that was one of the best plot twists too 10 - and this one too This is probably one of the worst lists on this channel, only 1 of 10 cases is actually bad plot twist This whole list is only you hating on these games, not real facts Go touch some grass
I liked every single one of these. The Isu inspired all the old myth gods. Alfred is a proto-Templar, the it guy was a Sage, Shay created the Lisbon Earthquake. I loved them all. How dare Mojo try to shit on these stories or any of the plot twists that drive them forward. 😠
One terrible twist you forgot to mention was the horrendous reveal of Jack the Ripper true identify in AC Syndicate DLC. I mean, seriously, Jack the Lad! Jesus they didn't even try to hide it, and it was 20 minutes within the story.
OK just by watching because I skipped to the last one because it perked my interest Just proves that WatchMojo did not fucking research anything about the whole the isu are all mythology and they’re even the basis for the Bible, like yeah you fucking think? This has been stated since the first game when Altairs mentor mentioned that Jesus used the apple to turn water to wine and how it’s been known they have inspired people to worship them through religion and while creating mythological beasts is kind of weird it makes sense when these people can create humans through genetic tampering with primates also not every single Cryptid in the history of man is a isu beast please do your research instead of appealing to a demographic, Also one last thing got a love how in that final part of your video when yall mentioned that every character has to be a reincarnation of a isu when you said in the video that they basically forgot about the sages That’s kind of an inconsistency
@@Ashurman666 I honestly had to look up who she was when she was revealed as the main villain. I did not care about her one bit as a character. Made the final choice easy.
Lucy betrayal was explained in a dlc in revelations not in assassin's creed 3, although it's still stupid to explain an important detail like this one in a puzzle dlc i can say that most of these plot twists aren't bad but just decent and they fit the story
It's tactless to use a real life event to push forth the fact that the assiassins are as bad in there own way as they claim the Templars to be, would honestly have to be one of the best executed events in game ever in my opinion
The worst plot twist was that Haytham was a Templar. You're going to make me spend three hours with the dude and be like oh wait he was actually the villain the whole time.
The father of understanding was Jupiter the title itself was more so something people of the order of ancients and the templars tried to claim. Alfred The Great was the first templar but in the game if you read the notes they hinted he was but couldn't understand because the templars came after.
valhalla fixed some stuff reagrding the father of understanding... king aelfred changes the definition to refer to Jesus Christ as there are no one above the lord also King Aelfred *spoilers* becames the Master of the order by rights. given to him from his brother who passed away. he himself never wants the title and position
They pretty much screwed everything up. After Desmond, I'm sure they couldn't find a someone to replace him so they pretty much had you play as 3 abstergo clients and 2 unknown Assassins clients. Pretty much Liberations is from a ancestor of a unknown test who died in the 80s and origins you're just obtaining from 2 really dead 1st assassins (hidden ones). Syndicate, Rogue, and unity you're playing as ancestors of people we don't even know. pretty much normies who don't care at all. The Juno story was dropped thanks to a comic nobody reads. Which she did make an appearance in a dlc in odyssey. Her last appearance in the modern times was Syndicate. I'm sure Basim is going to be the main villain now. Also they might bring back Desmond and layla maybe as Adam and Eve. Feels like it's been really a long time since the Ezio saga to where we are now.
Yeah I can totally see Alfred the great as a Templar and I am British so yeah. Some of these twists may of been bad, but they can be a good kind of bad if you just think about it.
I don't consider the Evie one a plot twist. Also I saw a lot more romance between the two of them then was mentioned and knew they would eventually be together from his first comment when they first met. But I'm also a romantic type person.
I LOVED Evie and I think she has the best voice acting performance of the entire series and I was so disappointed that they gave her that stupid romance storyline with Henry, it made no sense for her as a character and did absolutely nothing for the actual plot of the game
Some of these are just plain wrong. Like, you guys got it wrong on what the story is. Also some of these arent even twists, just weird story decisions.
@@brayh212 ok with mirage it looks like is not that the gods were issu, but more that they are adapted to that person mind, because Loki will be DJinn in Basim head.
people hate on the new trilogy so much but i dont care. they are amazing games and im so happy we finally got to see the origin of the assassins and more insight into the isu
the lore went to de dumpster after they kill desmond, that doesn't mean the games are bad, i enjoyed most of the games but i wish they followed up on the present lore with a game not with cinematics, comics or lame databases.
The whole isu thing fits for me...from almost any Isu shown in the story it fits right in with them wanting to be seen as gods. I mean fucking Odin was so arrogant thinking he could avoid death he forces himself to reincarnate into Eivor -_-
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What was your reference for this list?
Who made this list? These twists were nowhere near as bad as you claim and worse, most of them were actually well set up in the game.
@@Ubermensch9240 whatever he can use to make content 🤷🏻♂️
That Pythagoras one was the most BS twist ever
I'd say the worst twist was when they hyped up Juno to be the big bad of the series, only to have her get killed off in some random tie-in comic by someone we never meet in the games and never mention her again.
Vini vini victory?!
I still hate that they did that with the Juno storyline.
All I can say is….yep
Wait, what!? Juno is dead!? So who’s the big bad now, Abstergo!?
Wait what?? 💀
I think the Lisbon earthquake, in Rogue, was a good story catalyst. Also, the Templars and Assassins are different sides of the same coin, making it murky to define who is really good or evil.
Both originally wanted the same thing--peace. However, they sought it in different manners. The Assassins had the "kill one, save a thousand" method, and the Templars had the mind control method. It was only when Altair took over that the Assassins took that they took to defending free will.
Haytham Kenway mentions that freedom, a product of free will, will only lead to chaos. He also mocks the idea of "freedom" when privileged rich men met chose a general to fight the British, then use clever wordplay to make it sound like it was "the people's choice" when they privately made decisions to benefit only themselves.
Also, the 1755 Lisbon earthquake wasn't the only real event mentioned in Rogue. In 1751, an earthquake occurred near Port-au-Prince, Haiti. The Assassins had tried to get another Isu relic there, and "[w]hat happened in Haiti happened in Portugal."
They knew what could happen, and they did nothing. It was only after Shay had turned Templar, killed most of the Colonial Assassin's leadership, and chased the remaining two to the Arctic for a similar artifact that Achilles saw fit to abandon the search.
@@isaacgleeth3609 Can you believe there is a thought circulating that Shay was actually wrong for "betraying" the Assassins?
Yeah I think its been long enough to safely use the Lisbon Earthquake in stories...
the problem I see is that both of them are half right and that's what makes them fundamentalists and dangerous. The assassins was free will and the ability to choose your own course which is great and I don't think anyone's going to disagree with them but the templars want order they want things in place to keep the people from doing whatever they feel like because that would just cause chaos and for a society to function there has to be limits to individual freedoms for the greater good.
I agree
I actually really like the idea that the Isu are the deities of mythology. We think of them as gods because of their feats and technology but they're just an advanced race and not have gods at all. It makes sense within the game.
Same! It makes sense why we'd see them as gods, similar to Thor & Asgard in the MCU or Arrival with Amy Adams or a ton of other pieces of science fiction storytelling.
It's based on a conspiracy theory that the human race was created by Anunnaki to be slaves. There was a book published in 2005 called "Slave Species of the Gods: The Secret History of the Anunnaki and Their Mission on Earth". I stumbled on this a couple of years ago and couldn't believe that the writers would use this in the games.
It only works to a certain point. After a while it becomes stale and boring. It's honestly just fucking corny at this point.
I like it too. Although I’m Catholic, I kinda want to see how an Isu version of Jesus. We already know that, in-universe, he used an Apple of Eden to turn water into wine, and the Shorud of Eden resurrected him.
It would have been funny if Alexios and Kassandra survived the fall because there was a haystack or pile of leaves at the bottom that broke their fall.
Ha ha! That would make sense.
😂😂😂
I know this was put here as a joke but d@m# did that make sense.
After watching this video I can say that you didn't understand half of these plot twists...
I mean it's implied that Kassandra/Alexio's Isu blood helped them survive the fall. Hell, they swan dive off of mountains and the top of Poseidon's Palace into a pile of roses....
And they jump off buildings regardless of the height
I actually didn't bother that Pythagoras was your father. Although it was kind of weird to be the child of the guy guilty of my biggest headaches in math class.
It’s sooooo lame. I’m the badass mercenary human/god hybrid, and my dad is the biggest nerd ever
yeah but you got chance to kick his ass for troubling you in math😂😂
All the better reason to kill him
Julius Caesar wasn't the Father of Understanding, it's kind of an abstract concept.
Originally it was a name refering the Isu Jupiter but since Ceaser was considered a god the Templars of that time reffered to him as "The Father of Understanding"
When the Templars became Christian Knights they reffered to the Christian god as that too. The phrase doesn't have a fixed meaning.
Eventually they started using the term to refer to Baphomet, no?
Gaius Iulius Caesar was his name, Caesar is just a title that means Emperor, Rex would mean king. So basically there was a Marcus Aurelius Caesar, an Augustus Caesar, etc….. Caesar being just an addition to the actual name, a byword to explain an emperors rank and importance
I always understood it to be Cain. Makes more sense to me.
@@theburningman5047 No, Caesar was his name and since he was regarded as one of the greatest men to ever live everyone wanted to be like him so it kind of stuck around like a title, the german Kaiser and slavic Tsar derive from his name. But it originally wasn't a title, it became when the next emperors after him continued to use the name Caesar as a source of legitimacy. Octavian Augustus was his nephew and he originally took the title in order to gain legitimacy and show that he was Julius Caesar's successor.
The problem is that they say he is the Father of Understanding in Origins for some reason. No one even knows why. But they did.
They never forgot the Reincarnated sages after Unity, there was a sage in Syndicate during the WWI segment, but was subtly mentioned, A sage in Origins that went by the name of "The son of ra." There was no Sages in Odyssey. There were a ton of sages in Valhalla though; Eivor is Odin, Sigurd is Tyr, Basim is Loki, Faravid is Sif, Halfdan Ragnarrson is Thor, Rigsougour is Heimdall, Svala is Freya, and Harald Fine hair is The Isu Freyr.
Valhalla's dumbass reincarnations aren't sages.
Sages are Aita reincarnated, who was Juno's husband.
Yes there was no sage in odyssey cuz we meet aita face to face after all.
@@fahrenheit5064 Yees, I know. That's why I didn't say that Odyssey had any sages.
@@lumineniananubis4161 Instead of a sage we got an Isu hybrid
Barnabas is I think a sage.
Most of this list just boils down to "I hate every game after 3 therefore everything about them sucks".
Maybe it's because the lead writer of the series quit after revelations and the writing has taken an extremely noticeable nosedive in quality?
Evie and Henry being in love isn't a twist unless you were completely oblivious.
It is a little more subtle than most. It was very simple, but after Unity, we needed it.
I actually think that the earthquake was a clever way to begin Shay's path. It was such a great way of exposing the disorder and arrogant ways of the old American assassin's
I really liked that they brought another perspective of Aelfred in the game and I understood his motives. The only thing I hated was that you could see that he is a Templar the very first moment you saw him and then looking at the tree in the orders menu. From his silhouette you could directly see he is The Father..
Honestly the silhouettes are a mood killer because we can easily guess who si who. Especially the members tied-in with story quests. I think Odyssey and Origins actually had that planned a bit better.
Edit: I would also like to add that Aelfred probably was only able to extinguish the Order in England and that he only mentions forming something else, but never says "hey it's the templar order". I don't think he wanted neither order like they were, but eventually those who came after him thought otherwise. Not to mention the Order of Ancients is like a Hydra: cut the head in a place and two to three will soon appear.
If ubisoft management weren't so keen in making people play the expansions as soon as they bought them even in lower levels - which to me was kind of a sus move, considering the extensive volume of copies sold - they could actually mention another faction of the Order in Francia (which we are alluded to, but in a very superficial manner). The templar order was indeed only created in 1118, but it isn't far fetched to think they already existed as a organised group in the shadows who wanted control of the Holly Land and needed a public alias, which eventually took over.
Best plot twist is than hytham is templar
I actually thought Alfred kind of founding the Templar’s was a cool and also expected twist
Evie getting with Henry isn’t a twist, it’s a nonentity that came out of left field. It has no major buildup or payoff, it’s just a thing that happens. And Kassandra surviving the fall is literally her origin story, how is that a twist?
Every time I bumped into them as Jacob I got the impression they were off doing they're own thing together which made me go, what's going on with these 2? 😁
I didn’t really care about it either way, don’t get why people are against it
The Templar ideology isn’t evil, I love how people make the connection that Templar = evil assassin = good just because we kill templars. Ælfred still did the things that made him great as the founder of the order. Templars and assassins want the same thing but their methods differ it’s not good or evil.
Yep. Just a bunch of ethical implications between the methodologies, really.
Assassin still means killer. That's what Shaun said. I still say Desmond is a descendant of Jesus. They have a very similar story.
@@kensredemption one believes in peace through order and control the other believe in peace through freedom and liberty, the end goal is the same but the journey to get there differs.
@@darryldavis6063 I’m confused what does the meaning behind assassin have to do with anything?
@@GameCastingMedia They kill to protect their Creed. Templars kill for their goals. Both sides have blood on their hands.
I feel like I'm the only one that saw Evie and Henry happening. Everytime I saw them, I was like look at these two, they up to something.
So did I tbh. 😂
From the get go I said “damn I wish they were together.”
1:45 OMG, this was the WORST!!!! I remember this playing out and explaining it to my friend later as basically "Hey, I'm Pythagoras. I haven't been mentioned at all so far, but I happen to be your dad too. Oh, by the way, that's Atlantis behind me"
Can there be a top 10 best plot twist in the Assassin’s Creed series as well?
Most of this was nitpicky because its not historically accurate.
Side note: when people say names incorrectly even tho the game says it, you know they know nothing on the subject.
In case of Pythagoras its not that simple. They needed staff of Hermes also to give Kassandra immortality so Her and Layla could meet. So saying that Pythagoras presence in the game is that forced isnt exactly true. Would say it serves as an example for Kassandra and player that YES, staff of Hermes can prolong your life when used. (Later staff was used in Valhalla to resurrect one of the characters).
edit: Also nitpicking with King Alefred... Order of Ancient and Templars arent exactly the same :) And no one says that Aelfred in games is Evil. He just wanted build something better and new that would benefit others. Its not that hard to believe that his idea was mangled through next centuries.
The inclusion is still forced.
There are literally millions of ways to get that staff to Kassandra, they just picked the guy everyone knows to shoe-horn him in.
Tactless or not, the Lisbon earthquake part of Rogue is still one of my favorite parkour free runs in any game ever. I had so much fun, I replayed the memory right away.
Wait, we can replay a memory in Rogue?????
I literally replayed the entire game till then twice to play that segment
@@av1shh I may have misremembered that. Sorry. I know I wanted to play it again immediately.
@@ChristyTina22 oh it alright, makes me sad tho, i thought you could replay :'(
@@av1shh You can replay memories in Rogue. I do it all the time. When I couldn't yet afford a PS4 I'd replay Shay's moments in glitched Paris. Those are filed under 'incomplete memories.'
I don't personally have a problem with all the gods being Isu. That one was basically said to be the case since AC2. But the problem is that all the myths are now just true as well and they are just some kind of beasts the Isu created. Which isn't interesting. The interesting thing would be that these myths are some kind of misconception where someone used a piece of Eden (which are not infinitely strong). Like when Al Mualim said that someone could make an illusion that made it appear as water had turned to wine. In the current AC, they would just introduce a piece of Eden that can turn water into wine just to have it as a reference.
They did that with the pharaohs curse in origins, they make you think it was real but it was actually an apple is Eden creating a massive illusion
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Yeah, I know. But it's not like this was a known occurence. At least I never heard of a time in egypt where people got killed and they thought the ghosts of the ancient Pharaohs came back to punish them. It would have been way more interesting to see the ancient pharaohs themselves imo.
You can tell that Ragnarok that Eivor lives is different from the original ragnarok that happened to the isu.I think Valka's potions that eivor drinks,for example,act like a primitive animus that shows previous events but in an inaccurate way and that explains why eivor at the end of the Asgard story saw the gods with Normal clothes and ,later,when we live all the animus anomalies,we see the same cutscene with the gods dressed like the isu (sorry for my incorrect grammar,english is not my first language)
@@raid3n496 Yeah, Eivor in this Valka's pothion hallusinations saw the Isu history, BUT through her knowledge of gods, it's all mixed, cause she even couldn't imagine such an advanced technological race from her 10th century point of view.
I think they’re in the clear for using a real life disaster as a plot device when the disaster was in 1755 lol. Also I think this dude might just hate the AC series…
I mean, with Evie and Henry green if you check Evie's carriage on the train there is always a different bouquet of flowers in her vase with a hidden message that Henry is leaving her. Most notably is him professing his undying love to her pretty early in the game.
“The isu are all gods of old mythology” really? Y’all didn’t work this out with Minerva and juno and Adam and Eve stealing the apple from the garden of Eden 🤦♂️you can’t make these lists up man
They’re talking about every piece of mythology humanity has thought of is real and somehow linked to the isu
@@mrmoustachio5322 yeah but that’s been implied since the beginning of the series and the mention of the isu
I honestly don't get why you call some of those "twists"
And come on, that sequence at Lisbon gave me chills, not a bad plot twist whatsoever
AND it was set up! If you easedrop on Ade and Achillies they bring up that Haiti suffered a horrific earthquake and in it the Templars (aka Laurence Washington) got the mcguffins.
@@Ubermensch9240 I wouldn't go as far as set up. I think they really thought they could prevent it by getting it before the templars
Fun fact: Patrice Desilets killed off Lucy because he was being hounded for royalties (and probably because his plans were being destroyed anyway).
Also, originally, it was Cain, not Caesar, who was the Father of Understanding, since Cain started the Children (the true precursors of the Templar Order), and the cross itself is traced back to the mark which was placed on him. This was known in ACII.
Ubisoft just changed the lore throughout the series
If you play the Lost Archives in Assassin’s Creed Revelations, you get a better understanding of why Lucy helped Desmond.
True
Nobody deserves to play the most archive
Why??
@@ErenYeager-iw2yz Because there is a scene of Lucy talking to Vidic. (Sorry, but it's been 10-11 years since the premiere)
And the fact they used the ISU explained all gods and mythological monsters was awesome too I thought
I love that 'evie is into henry green' is considered a plot twist lmao. Cause who is gonna see that coming.
Lucy would've been a double agent not a triple agent🤦♂️ and calling the tie in of the Lisban earthquake bad writing is a terrible take.
Are u kidding????? Alfred being a templar was an awesome twist!
As a huge mythology geek I actually love the fact that all Isu are the gods of legends. I mean didn't it start that way anyways? Juno, Minerva, Jupiter? Roman gods.
as a big fan of black flag and rogue the sage reveal should be higher on this list it's underwhelming not to mention the anti climatic final act of black flag
on the contrary the lisbon earthquake is a good twist and good setup for the game it rrally what pushed shayne's morale
Alfred is a religious fanatic. He destroys the order even though they want the same thing because they are pagan and he hates them for it. After Eivor saves his life he orders her death as well because she doesn't convert to Christianity.
So while it does not seem to make sense to destroy an organisation only to immediately start another one with the same agenda, it does make sense if you look at it from a religious point of view.
The Knights Templar of AC1 and from then on don't care about the religious beliefs of their members (some even appear to be atheists) but Aldred makes it clear that he believes peace and prosperity can only be achieved if all of mankind believes in Jesus Christ, a believe that was standart at the time and is sadly still around in some parts of the world (looking at the "American taliban" here).
Well said
Unlike the real live Templars and Assassins, who were basically warrior monks of Catholicism and Islam, these ones are more philosophical, in regards to freedom vs security.
I honestly gotta disagree with the Aelfred pick. Him creating the Templars is really sound and people keep forgetting that they aren’t Evil, they are just fanatics. When quelled properly their ideals of order work and Aelfred wanted that Education and Order to be united under “Gods Vision”.
The father of understanding isn't actually Caesar it's whatever the templars believe it is and one of Caesar's lackeys believed he was and says so, and that's where people get the idea that Caesar is the father of understanding from
But, that isn’t true. Playing through Assassin’s Creed Valhalla tells us The Father of Understanding is a title granted to an Isu. A group of three Isu made a Triad in times of fire need. Jupiter, Minerva and Juno made the final triad. Being The Father of Understanding, The Voice, and The Mother respectively.
How is it they have the actual videos with the pronunciations of the Greek names and STILL pronounce them wrong?
I winced a few times at the name Aspasia 😂
@@Anchelspain lol it's like they purposefully didn't care about someone's culture
I'd say Shay causing the Lisbon earthquake wasn't a bad plot twist but a realization that both Templars and Assassins have one thing in common and it is that they play "God" to force their own ideals to a world no man can control.
this is so bad. Kassandra surviving the fall isn't a plot twist, you know you did immediately. Alfred being a templar doesn't make him Evil, because both sides are technically good. And Julius being the father of understanding is a bad plot twist not because it fell flat, but because it makes no sense. Why would the Pius christian templar order still worship pagan Julius as their father of understanding? Origins ruined a lot of the previous set up lore for this game.
I liked the lucy plot twist... I thought it was shocking and they do eventually explain why they killed her it was a good cliff hanger.
I liked the twist with pythagoras. Why.
Its not an assassins creed game
Its a classic greek tragedy. Featuring demigods, not mortals as our heroes.
Since the ISU are even longer dead and it wouldnt make sense to make kassandra a child of one, what better than a legendary figure who has lived long past his time? Of apparently a strong isu bloodline?
In ancient greek stories almost everyone was a child of a god if they were a hero in a major story (save exceptions like Orpheus who just sang really well and Jason who instead simply had the favor of the gods while medea his ex wife was the demigod instead)
5:55 It is pointed out on TV Tropes that the game does, to an extent, explain how you survive; as you unlock more synch points, implicitly drawing closer to what Kassandra was like, you remove fall damage, meaning you can leap from any hight and survive, even though anyone you knock off these same ledges with the Spartan Kick, will die. We can assume from this that Kassandra and Alexios, who, since they have the same bloodline, presumably have this ability from the start, and that it unlocking through synch points is just Layla's mind accepting she can make these leaps, meaning it makes perfect sense that they survived the fall.
I hated that Alfred just gave up .. didn’t even get a chance to kill him
Yeah but you’d be breaking history
because he's not really a villain.basim is the true villain.
You can tell this guy never played the games because Juno not being the big bad ass should've been number one. AC build her up since day one and nothing came out of that shit in game. Ubisoft then tried to get us to read a comic about what happened to her instead of letting it play out in the game
Julius Ceasar IS NOT the Father of Understanding, people look at him as such due to his power, but the true Father of Understanding is Jupiter (as mentioned all through out the series)
This entire list is just "i hate when things happen in this game"
1 - was that even a plot twist? I think everyone knew that from the beginning
2 - that was one of the best plot twists ever lol
3 - that was obvious too, maybe you are just too blind or sth
4 - I don't know why it's bad, what's wrong with that lol
5 - Kassandra/Alexios are literally demigods, why is that weird they survived that? Honestly this list is 100% forced
6 - don't know why it's bad either
7 - ok, this one is bad, I'll give you that
8 - and for the 3rd time I don't know what is bad in that
9 - that was one of the best plot twists too
10 - and this one too
This is probably one of the worst lists on this channel, only 1 of 10 cases is actually bad plot twist
This whole list is only you hating on these games, not real facts
Go touch some grass
i love the idea of the aisu being actual gods in mythologies i think people are just complaining to complain its kinda stupid
I liked every single one of these. The Isu inspired all the old myth gods. Alfred is a proto-Templar, the it guy was a Sage, Shay created the Lisbon Earthquake. I loved them all. How dare Mojo try to shit on these stories or any of the plot twists that drive them forward. 😠
I like the Isu being gods of various myths too.
Be kind of nice if you could still see the like to dislike ratio on TH-cam. Pretty sure this video would have a lot more dislikes
@@stephenking5852 Thank you. A person of quality.
@@johnnykroecker954 Yeah i agree.
One terrible twist you forgot to mention was the horrendous reveal of Jack the Ripper true identify in AC Syndicate DLC.
I mean, seriously, Jack the Lad! Jesus they didn't even try to hide it, and it was 20 minutes within the story.
isn't Desmonds son a sage too? think it was in a comic or something
OK just by watching because I skipped to the last one because it perked my interest Just proves that WatchMojo did not fucking research anything about the whole the isu are all mythology and they’re even the basis for the Bible, like yeah you fucking think? This has been stated since the first game when Altairs mentor mentioned that Jesus used the apple to turn water to wine and how it’s been known they have inspired people to worship them through religion and while creating mythological beasts is kind of weird it makes sense when these people can create humans through genetic tampering with primates also not every single Cryptid in the history of man is a isu beast please do your research instead of appealing to a demographic, Also one last thing got a love how in that final part of your video when yall mentioned that every character has to be a reincarnation of a isu when you said in the video that they basically forgot about the sages That’s kind of an inconsistency
Love how Lisbon is tasteless but the Crusades are….window dressing?
I don't understand the logic of interpreting a natural disaster's cause as a bad twist.
This is really stretching. The only bad plot twists were aspasia and lucy
Aspasia was a great plot twist, what are you on?
@@Ashurman666 I honestly had to look up who she was when she was revealed as the main villain. I did not care about her one bit as a character. Made the final choice easy.
If you play the lost archives and Desmonds memories the Lucy plottwist makes kinda more sense
Lucy betrayal was explained in a dlc in revelations not in assassin's creed 3, although it's still stupid to explain an important detail like this one in a puzzle dlc i can say that most of these plot twists aren't bad but just decent and they fit the story
It's tactless to use a real life event to push forth the fact that the assiassins are as bad in there own way as they claim the Templars to be, would honestly have to be one of the best executed events in game ever in my opinion
The worst plot twist was that Haytham was a Templar. You're going to make me spend three hours with the dude and be like oh wait he was actually the villain the whole time.
Templar, not villain
The father of understanding was Jupiter the title itself was more so something people of the order of ancients and the templars tried to claim. Alfred The Great was the first templar but in the game if you read the notes they hinted he was but couldn't understand because the templars came after.
valhalla fixed some stuff reagrding the father of understanding... king aelfred changes the definition to refer to Jesus Christ as there are no one above the lord
also King Aelfred *spoilers* becames the Master of the order by rights. given to him from his brother who passed away. he himself never wants the title and position
I actually liked the Lisbon earthquake being shown in Rogue...
The reason Alfred The Great is a villian is because Ubisoft is a french studio
Worst AC plot : u not playing as Assassin or Templar :) but demi god Alex
How can you call Rogue’s portrayal of the Lisbon earthquake tactless when it depicts infinitely more atrocities in history. That’s just dumb 🫤
Nah bro the Lisbon earthquake was a good plot twist
I’m not sure about the Evie and Henry plot twist, because they were flirting the entire game as far as I saw
They pretty much screwed everything up. After Desmond, I'm sure they couldn't find a someone to replace him so they pretty much had you play as 3 abstergo clients and 2 unknown Assassins clients. Pretty much Liberations is from a ancestor of a unknown test who died in the 80s and origins you're just obtaining from 2 really dead 1st assassins (hidden ones). Syndicate, Rogue, and unity you're playing as ancestors of people we don't even know. pretty much normies who don't care at all. The Juno story was dropped thanks to a comic nobody reads. Which she did make an appearance in a dlc in odyssey. Her last appearance in the modern times was Syndicate. I'm sure Basim is going to be the main villain now. Also they might bring back Desmond and layla maybe as Adam and Eve. Feels like it's been really a long time since the Ezio saga to where we are now.
YOU REALLY NAILED IT AT THE LAST ONE LOL
Not really
Origins was lit 👏🏾👏🏾I was like wow raw emotion, beautiful and a great story 👏🏾👏🏾
I love that the Isu are the gods. I don't like the whole sage things....
what i didnt like about alfread you couldn't fight him, he gives up and gives you the win
All of AC’s problems began with Black Flag.
So tactless to use a historical event from 250+ years ago in a video game with a historical setting 🙄
The biggest fuck you in gaming history is what Lucy did in Brotherhood…I was like mannnn she really played us smh.
I still say they want to work around that killing Desmond ending. Enough people want him to come back.
It’s HEAVILY implied that he is the glowing guy at the end of Valhalla.
@@JohnSmith-me9be Ik their way of bringing him back.
Yeah I can totally see Alfred the great as a Templar and I am British so yeah. Some of these twists may of been bad, but they can be a good kind of bad if you just think about it.
we dont die from fall damage in odyssey anyways
Not all templars are evil just as not all assassin's are good.
i knew it was aspasia as soon as she had phoibe killed
I remember when I used to love this game origins was the last one I purchase.
The Alfred twist was bad and I saw it coming a mile away
I mean cuz I’m a history buff the Pythagoras plot twist I think wasn’t all that bad for me
After Origins I haven’t touched another Assassins creed I literally dislike all three of the newer ones.
I don't consider the Evie one a plot twist. Also I saw a lot more romance between the two of them then was mentioned and knew they would eventually be together from his first comment when they first met. But I'm also a romantic type person.
I LOVED Evie and I think she has the best voice acting performance of the entire series and I was so disappointed that they gave her that stupid romance storyline with Henry, it made no sense for her as a character and did absolutely nothing for the actual plot of the game
Some of these are just plain wrong. Like, you guys got it wrong on what the story is. Also some of these arent even twists, just weird story decisions.
Odyssey had such bad voice I had to change it to portugese with subtitles
the Issu one at the end actually is not bad...Unless the jump the shark and say Jesus was an issu
They’d probably make Jesus a sage of Jehovah or something like that.
@@brayh212 ok with mirage it looks like is not that the gods were issu, but more that they are adapted to that person mind, because Loki will be DJinn in Basim head.
people hate on the new trilogy so much but i dont care. they are amazing games and im so happy we finally got to see the origin of the assassins and more insight into the isu
I thought Jupiter was the father of understanding?
He is
The father of understanding should be Precursor Jupiter would be nice set up to be anti Athena assassin and explain the race 4 sites
Not the worst twists in all of them.
Let’s just say assassin’s creed games do you have the worst plot twist in all video game franchises history.
the lore went to de dumpster after they kill desmond, that doesn't mean the games are bad, i enjoyed most of the games but i wish they followed up on the present lore with a game not with cinematics, comics or lame databases.
The whole isu thing fits for me...from almost any Isu shown in the story it fits right in with them wanting to be seen as gods. I mean fucking Odin was so arrogant thinking he could avoid death he forces himself to reincarnate into Eivor -_-