Lesser shows would have ended the season on the episode 3 ending and filled the whole season out with filler. Severance writers have it all figured out from the beginning so they can afford to have tightly written episodes with GREAT pacing!! Every episode we get questions answered, yet 5 more spring up in their place... I love this show
@ryancake42 this. Its why this and a show like Mr. Robot are spectacular. Mr. Robot is my holy grail series. Its perfect to me. Point is, Mr. Robot had an ending from the first episode. Sam knew what plot points he had to hit each season. Everything was planned out. Allowed them to take bing swings yet also know exactly where they were going. Same is to be said of Severance. As long as they are telling the truth when they say they know the ending. Know the plot points. Etc. In conclusion. We are in the midst of our next great defining TV series.
You gotta love the Nautilus Files, they don't drop right after the show because it takes some time to put together a real analysis and not just some rehash of the plot.
Her and miltchek (forgot how to spell his name) are severed I think, Dylan is on his way to being in a position like them. I think they take innies into the outside world and essentially kill the outtie self, but by doing so it grants the innie freedom and they look up to Lumon like a god. They still have a chip inside them so they still have to return to work or else they’ll be “reset” or “shut down”
Episode 1: Milkshake the Shambolic Rube Episode 2: Fetid Moppet! Episode 3: Salt‘s Neck & Mammalians Nurturable & Fripperies Whatever else happens in Season 2, the enrichment of our language has already been glorious.
Tramel Tillman and Sydney Cole Alexander have embodied corporate HR to such a level that I have a hard time seeing them as human. The fake smiles, the dishonesty of their corpo-speech and the way they keep their real emotions locked in is top notch acting.
Sydney Cole Alexander is absolutely perfect as Natalie. Almost literally a corporate cyborg with that headset controlling her... but occasionally we see brief glimpses of humanity breaking through in momentary facial expressions. And she is really beautiful!
I want to say that this was the first episode where it actually clicked for me that Hellyena was acting odd- she's usually very proactive, violent, and fearless (full of malice, you might say) but she basically stands in line behind Mark this whole episode and get creeped out by something as simple as crawling through a vent. Let's not forget this is supposedly the same Hellyena who tried to take the elevator up permanently with the help of a cable, it really didn't sit right with me.
Sure, she's a bit more timid but I question why she would risk Mark finding Ms. Casey. Also, why would Helena lean into the goat people so hard? Does she want innie Mark to find out company secrets? Does she really want him to set Ms. Casey free? More importatnly, doesn't she want Mark to finish Cold Harbor?
I’m getting more and more convinced she is re-integrated. She is certainly more hesitant, but she has more traits of Helly that I wouldn’t expect of Helena
@@BrianLarney Maybe she's going behind the company's back, or maybe she thinks that she'll just have to play along for mark to be productive? I could see a few reasons for Helena to willingly not be working on the files, I'm not saying they're right, but there's def some windows open for writers
This new humility in her could also be the result of the shock to know that her outie is behind all this. And also her hesitation might be due to inner conflict because she loves Mark but he wants to find Gemma and she has to help him.
One thing I haven't seen anyone mention is the possibility that innie Helly might have been woken up at some point between the speech at the gala and going back to the severed floor, so that this might be innie Helly but one that's had some kind of stern talking to or been threatened in some way. Now, Helly doesn't scare easily, and is super defiant, so the only reason I could think of that she would be acting differently than before is if she believes there's a threat to the other members of the team. I'm still leaning toward this being outie Helena, but I can think of reasons that this still might be innie Helly that's been intercepted and manipulated before going back to the floor.
Mark had the timer in the beginning of the episode so he could see how long the words would have to be burned into his retinas for him to still be "seeing" them once he enters the elevator.
It was even more effecting because it’s literally her telling milchik that the board did even care enough to listen to his thanks. It’s like someone calling to thank thank you and you hanging up on them before they can even get the last word out
The biggest and most enjoyable surprise for me, personally, was how much I missed Tramell Tillman! I absolutely loathe the character of Milkshake, but Tillman is so damned charismatic as a human being that I find him irresistible! Also, Helly's arc is engrossing. Great episode, even better breakdown by our captain Nemo!
The sketch of the Exports Hall door is the message Irving is referring to in the phone booth. Outie Irv painted it over and over again until Innie Irv got the message and sketched the door/hall
Oh I am FULLY convinced it’s Helena down there! She even talks differently, and keeps wanting to point out how Lumon isn’t really listening or recording anymore (which Helly would NEVER believe). The only moment that made me second guess was in this episode when she held up the poster in the goat circle- that felt like a Helly move. But I think it’s just because she watched the videos of all her interactions and knows some of what she would do. Also there was a moment in episode 1 when “Helly” gets upset and adamant about how Innies and Outties are different, which seems like a Helly move, but then I realized that Helena would feel the same outrage at being compared to her innie. It’s all sus.
To your first point about her holding up the poster- I thought it was odd that Helena would actually be trying to help them find Ms. Casey, but it’s likely that she’s confident that the innies wouldn’t find her since she looks down on them so much!
I noticed the aggressive poster moment too. I had been sure it was Helena pretending to be Helly, but this moment made me question that. Wouldn’t Helena be more concerned for her safety in this moment? She has probably never been in such a vulnerable position before. I also thought her concern for Irving showed that she knew him well enough to see he was troubled and her reassuring comment felt sincere to me. I am baffled though. It’s driving me crazy lol
I think this is the best episode of the entire series so far! i even let out a little "Whoop!" of excitement when he remembered being on the conference table, sat up reintegrated, and the soundtrack started rocking "Eminence Front." That was absolutely badass!
What’s fascinating in this episode is how much it centers around those who were considered to be the most “evil” part of Luman - “guards” like Kobal, Millchak, Natalie - And how, slowly, we can see for the first time they’re also “victims” of the manipulative system we always thought they were completely linked to. The paintings scene is particularly disturbing: The only time we saw Millchack so unsettled was when Dylan “pirced his skin” in the crazy dance scene last season. I can’t wait to see more of his human side as the season progresses. Tnx as always for the recaps dude! The hell with Outie Hali and long live Kier 😂
THIS! This is the first time I ever felt sorry for Milchick (and Natalie too). I hated Milchick until this point. Now I see he's trapped, a cog in a machine that's crushing him.
You know you’re getting older when you’re happy instead of disappointed at getting socks for Christmas. But still young at heart when you’re even happier with them because they have The Muppets on them… Purely hypothetical, that definitely doesn’t describe me at all [whistles nonchalantly].
What an ending!!!!! This episodes finale was incredible. The editing, the music, the combined shots - the fact that this has been hinted at since the very beginning of the show is crazy cool
I think Irving and Burt were romantically involved on the outside, and when Burt opened the door, he saw a man he used to love. When Irving came to I imagine he wasn't exactly forthright in explaining how he actually ended up there. A revelation like this could explain why Burt appeared to be crying while watching Irv from his car. Maybe a part of him still misses his former partner, or perhaps he knows that Irving works a severed position at Lumon, and was able to surmise that his recent departure was somehow related to Irving's unexpected arrival. Even if it's just a gut feeling, the idea that their love could be strong enough to cross the boundary of these men's severed lives is quite touching.
I've been wanting to see what happened when Burt opened the door since season 1 ended. I think there's a reason we haven't seen that yet, but I hope they show us!
While I was thinking about this episode, I had a realization about Irving. Irving was waiting for his innie to use the OTC. He kept painting the same thing over and over so that would be the first thing his innie saw when waking up in the outside world. Mark's plan with the light made me realize this.
I don't think oIrv knew about the OTC. He did the paintings as a way to get the image through to iIrv through the subconscious. By repeatedly painting the same scene while loudly playing Ace of Spades every time, he's creating an intense multisensory memory. He was also staying up late with coffee so that iIrv would be exhausted, as it seems that sleep helps the subconscious bleedthrough in the form of dreams. This almost worked: in S1, iIrv dozes off and he sees a black oozing substance, which in retrospect we understand is black paint. It seems only a matter of time before iIrv would've seen the full image, but fortunately the OTC was able to accelerate the process.
The scene with Helena and Cobel outside of lumon is one of my favorites. The way Helena says let’s reset I was like oh they’re gonna sever her- maybe turn her into the kind of part timer that ms Casey is… and the way cobel stopped and was looking at them before she dipped I think she knew as soon as she set foot on that step she was a goner. So creepy and unsettling
Gretchen is wearing the EXACT same outfit as Pam in the Office in Season 3, Episode 17 "Business School". The shot of innie Dylan hugging Gretchen mirrors the shot of Michael and Pam hugging at the end of the episode almost exactly. Ben Stiller has said multiple times that "nothing is coincidence".
What if Gretchen’s security guard uniform is for night shift at lumon, which is how she knows milchick by name. The office reference is because they are technically coworkers?
I believe in the after episode TH-cam video she confirmed the tube was her mother's (not sure if she was supposed to be so up front) and a lot more will come out later in the season. I stumbled upon the video right after I finished the episode on Friday morning at 1am lol. Irv doesn't trust Helena imo, he even says he's never been to o&d to her which was odd. I think it's def outtie because when they show them all go through the elevator she's the only one we don't hear a ding from which ib assume is when severance protocol kicks in. I think they're all homeless in mammalian because they said Ms Casey said they enjoy stargazing and homeless people are often referred to as "stargazers" since they sleep outside. That's why all then maybe look scruffy. Maybe they made long term severance contacts since their work is needed more often than other positions. You could tell Natalie was uncomfortable about receiving the gift in the past. It's gotta be a loyalty test of some sort, but its weird. Did you see the egen doll in Dylans house next to his couch when they cut to him? Why would the people have even dolls? That's like having a doll of your CEO from work in your house for your kid to play with. My thoughts, keep up the good work
Don't agree on homeless people. Lumen pays a lot and provides housing to it's workers. It's very unlikely they would be homeless. Dylans wife works for Lumen as a guard or something. She wears blue and she calls Milchick Seth, meaning she knows him personally
I came across a comment that said that the love triangle they've been teasing was actually Dylan's Innie, his outie, and gretchen all along and not mark/helly/gemma and I can't stop thinking about it lol. Tbh, I would MUCH prefer that to the mark/helly/gemma love triange because a) I'm waaaayyyy too invested in Mark and Gemma (lol) and because IMO it actually makes for much better storytelling and exploring the dynamic of innie being real people that are different from their outies. It presents a case of the show's entire premise a lot better than the mark/helly vs mark/gemma love triangle did ESPECIALLY because Mark S and Helly's relationship did not feel nearly as deep or intense as Gemma and Mark's was. I mean the man immediately agreed to risk his life and get reintegrated just so he can see his wife 🥲, you can't beat that.
re: the whole helly/helena thing, i’m almost 100% convinced that helena has taken over. it's a bit of a reach, but i do think there’s also potentially a clue/hint to this theory in the opening title sequence - specifically, the few instances we get of helly and gemma being visually compared/mirrored. in particular, the fleeting reflections of them running in mark’s flashlight beam, and the flickering images of them both being shut into the exports elevator. now of course this could be just the surface-level connection the two of them have as mark’s respective love interests, but i think it could go deeper. if helena truly has taken over, she’s essentially “retired” helly - and we know that, to the innies, retirement is more or less equivalent to death. helly, like gemma, is gone, “dead,” her autonomy and personhood taken from her, and her body (just like gemma’s) remains to be puppeted around by lumon.
Mr. Robot is my holy grail tv series. At the end of the 4th and final season, it was perfect to me. Sam knew the ending from the beginning. Everything was planned and shows. I can ramble endlessly about Mr. Robot. Point is, I have a feeling Severance could rival it by its end. As long as Severance doesn't crap the bed in the end. But they say they know the end. They have a plan. And that gives me so much hope.
My biggest hope is that it is only 4 or 5 seasons. And most of all they have a PLAN. Too many shows seem to lay the tracks and don't know how to reach the destination.
Let's just hope that it doesn't get cancelled before they manage to wrap it up. I don't know what its viewing numbers are exactly, but season 1 was for sure pretty obscure and not many people seemed to have even heard of it. They are doing way more in a way of promotion this time around, but I still can't imagine its viewing numbers being super high. Hopefully it won't become too unprofitable for Apple to continue investing in.
I think it's possible that Harmony has a daughter (Charlotte) who died, and she believes that she may be somewhere on the severed floor like Gemma - would explain why she's so obsessed with Mark and Cold Harbour, and desperate to get back after looking at the tube. Perhaps her daughter is even Miss Huang?
Yo I was at the Geekademy livestream too, and it was a great time! It was great to share theories in the chat. And yeah we were thinking of watching this video in the livestream, if it had been released, Nautilus Files had some mad hype over there :)
my friend said episode one and 2 were slow. I look at it like this episode one innie felt slow and long halls cuz that’s how being an innie feels. Episode 2 dragged outtie marks Gemma depression and showed u how long his days feel as well. Episode 3 gave us too much so much everything at once and what makes u feel like u got everything dumped on u at once? Intergration and mark got integrated. This show does everything on purpose lol
I think what the "now they send a guy" line implies is that the hallway provides a means for escape and someone figured it out at one point so Lumon had to tighten up and restrict access to the hall
It immediately made me think about the cloning theory. Like if someone was a clone grown in a test tube they wouldn't have an umbilical cord and thus no belly button 🤷
I do think it's outie Helena on the severed floor. But I also think that literally no one else in Lumon management is aware, that Helena used her inside knowledge to not trigger her severance chip. That leaves the question of whether she's doing it simply to gain intel or because she sees that innie Helly is way more free than she is as a Lumon scion.
I think we are going to see Gretchen falling in love with Dylan's innie, and have something of an 'affair' with himself. From their scenes together during the meet, I get the sense that innie Dylan's optimism really rubbed off on her, and during the outie scene later that optimism in Dylan's demeanor was notably absent. She also does not give outie Dylan near as much affection as she did innie Dylan when she left.
I think Helena only pretended to call the Board at the end. They answered so quickly? At night? It was a bluff to get Mrs. Cobel back inside the Lumon building for something nefarious.
I think the Helly/Helena question is so obvious and in your face as to be obvious to casuals not just theory enthusiasts and those down the rabbit hole, that it’s a cover to distract from something else. So she will be revealed to be Helena probably as a mild twist so we aren’t as focused on Dylan’s descent or that Irv is doing industrial espionage or is CIA or whatever, or possibly a left-field reveal that Burt is Irv’s dad, although that’s unlikely as Turturro’s age and Walken’s age are only something like 13 years apart.
When Mark couldn't remember the colour of his mother's eyes, I got the feeling that it *wasn't* related to the reintegration procedure and he really couldn't remember. Hence Reghabi's incredulous response.
I think the is it Helly or Helena thing can’t be known yet. She came running out of the elevator, but at the end of season one she was tackled to the ground. I think we are missing a scene that will be revealed later. I think the same about Irving. I think we will be treated with a scene of Burt letting him into his home as Outtie Irving after Innie Irving transitions back from banging on the door and we’ll learn so much more about those two.
Yes I’m also interested in those. We saw the immediate aftermath of Mark going back to outie form, but we didn’t see it for Helly or Irving and I’m curious.
Dr Reghabi said she was better with the reintegrations, but who else has she "done"? --- Did Irving get reintegrated after he got fired (cos he thought he wasn't going back), and his bathroom breaks and walks were his way of dealing with the side effects? I know he still banged on the door, yelling for Burt, but who else could she have salt baked? 🤨
Interesting theory but remember how in episode 1 of this season Irving's innie was planning on quitting and had to be convinced to stay by Dylan. If he was reintegrated, and his outtie seems so intent on uncovering Lumon's secrets, he wouldn't be so keen on quitting once he was back in.
She might have just experimented on animals like maze running rats or something (the same way we do in the real world) haha maybe she used goats (since some people think the goats are prototype severed anyway)
This episode turned me into an outie Helly theorist because the interactions between her and Mark are so awkward. It’s a testament to her acting skills that they can go from having great chemistry to having zero chemistry.
And Helly has been so boring this season. She's totally subdued. She's not rebellious at all. She's saying too much about "innies like us" but not actually doing anything to find out about their status or escape. I was 50/50 about Helly in the first episode, but now I'm sure it's Helena. And as much as I would like Helena to turn out to be a good guy whose been crushed by Lumon all her life, she's just got no personality.
I have a theory about the goat wranglers. I feel like the mamalians nurturables name refers to them in some way. All of them seem off and somewhat feral. I feel like their department is an experiment of introducing a severed person, who has no idea of what life or human etiquette is, into a herd of animals to nurture them as a more controllable human. That’s what first popped into my head during that scene. I wonder what their outies are like.
I agree. I have this feeling that they're not really people, but rather goats that were changed into people. They don't seem to care about their appearance at all. I've taken care of goats. You don't get all greasy and dirty just caring for goats. And here's [maybe] something else: Lorne's name is a near anagram for El[ea]nor, Devon and Ricken's baby! I have no idea what that could mean.
Possible connection to the multiple uses of the word "dam" and the goats - A dam goat is a female goat that is the parent of a goat, and is used to refer to the female goat in a goat's genetic lineage. "Dam" may also refer to dam-raised kids, which are goat kids that are raised with their dams instead of being bottle-fed. Dam-raised kids are wary of unfamiliar people and animals, and depend on their dams and the herd for safety.
Another great episode and video. I’m 100% on board for that’s Helena on the Severed floor. There’s no explanation for why she would be acting so different if that were Helly R, and I truly don’t think this show is interested in an unsatisfying dupe like that. Does anyone have a compelling case for why that would still be Innie Helly?? I’m so curious to see more Burt. I have a bunch that we are going to learn that Outie Burt is very different than the sweet innie we all love.
To quote myself from elsewhere in this thread: "One thing I haven't seen anyone mention is the possibility that innie Helly might have been woken up at some point between the speech at the gala and going back to the severed floor, so that this might be innie Helly but one that's had some kind of stern talking to or been threatened in some way. Now, Helly doesn't scare easily, and is super defiant, so the only reason I could think of that she would be acting differently than before is if she believes there's a threat to the other members of the team. I'm still leaning toward this being outie Helena, but I can think of reasons that this still might be innie Helly that's been intercepted and manipulated before going back to the floor."
I think you hit on something! No one else has given me pause to think that the gift to Milchek was a “test” like they knew it might cause a negative reaction and were testing his ability to bite his tongue & hide any emotion
3:44 Cobel seemed shaken by the driver specifically. Maybe it was just realizing he could be trouble, but the way the focus changed from Helena to her driver for a pretty long beat seems like a very intentional choice.
I think it's extremely obvious that it is Helena. The thing that fully convinced me is the difference in/lack of the "ding" during her transition in the elevator. But they are dropping pretty heavy hints throughout.
I also thought that in this recent episode when Helena (I’m Calling it lol) says to Mark that Miss Casey might be in one of the goat cages, that was weird. Because Helly saw the goats last season and they were not in cages. They had that little pasture of hay and were frolicking about. So why would she say anything about goat cages? My only answer is it’s actually Helena and Helena knows there are cages somewhere.
@@billbaggins1688 Nope. The board didn't believe re-integration was possible until Cobell stole the chip out of Petie's dead body. They are hardly going to be able to perform a procedure on Helena that they didn't even believe possible a short while ago. It's obviously Helena as the OP said. I can't understand how intelligent people like Nautilus, who spot plenty of things I miss, can't see something as obvious as Helena pretending to be innie Hellie!
“Mammalians Nurturable,” like “Accounts Receivable.” I don’t think the goats themselves are significant… it’s got to be a psychological experiment. also, there were way too many people in that room, just on the other side of the hill for most of those scenes, no matter where the camera was placed 😑
Seeing cobelvig driving into an infinite tundra with an oxygen mask really gives credence to the nuclear winter/food is endangered theory. The old EM-resistant cars only further this. But it could all just be creative design.
13:52 Now I’m curious to know if Dr. Reghabi has an informant working with her and the resistance. I just assumed when she told Mark she heard about the OTC it was because she'd seen something reported about Helena's speech in the press, but that seems unlikely given how much influence Lumon appears to have on the media.
It might get interesting next week when they meet: Helena, who: - is in outie mode: has knowledge of the outside world + a few days' worth of knowledge about the inside world - doesn’t know that Mark has integrated Mark, who: - is reintegrated, has knowledge of both worlds - thinks he’s dealing with Helly, who knows nothing about the outside world - believes Helly is on his side - has one half of him that has feelings for Helly - and another half that has feelings for Gemma And on top of that, maybe Gemma with Ms. Casey’s consciousness? It’s going to be fun to watch.
That opening shot of Cobel in the snowy car was clearly a nod to the Breaking Bad finale, when Walter is in the snowy car in NH. Also Kier is blatantly Owen Wilson with a goatee.
One of the things about the episode was I was so surprised that we got events so soon. I thought we would have to wait for the visitation room and reintegration. As someone commented it felt like a finale and I feel particularly that ending could have been where the current series ended
Guys is it only me or everyone has the same need to go and watch parts of episoedes of season 1 to connect some important details to season 2 i mean its crazy its all so brilliantly connected that its almost unbelievable how good this series is....!!!
@3:40 I took it that look of fear stemmed from seeing the driver, which we have not seen before, and she knew that once she entered the building and out of sight then Helen was going to pull a double cross.
As someone who writes about corporations for a living (yay), "it" is actually the correct pronoun. A board has a singular objective and is more unified than a group of people, which is why you don't use "they."
Yes I caught that too…but subsequently Helena tells Cobelvig that “we’ll speak to them together,” when referring to the Board, so I’m not sure what to think!!! Edit: read above comment, perhaps it is the correct grammatical reference, but I feel like I’ve never heard the Board referenced before like that, which could also be intentional.
Nauti, someone on the team said there was a clue in the stuff on Milchick's computer in this episode. But I can't seem to figure it out. Looks like he's turning survellience on and off for various employees. But the employee in question has a number we haven't seen before.
Forgive me for being a middle-aged white woman commenting on something I don't experience, but that scene with Milchick and Natalie played so perfectly to me. You saw all the pain, all the corporate horseshit and tone-deafness, all the understanding and misunderstanding in the faces of Milchick and Natalie. Some EXCELLENT face acting by both actors there. I mean, they made me understand what it feels like to be a person of colour in a corporate job where they just don't get you. It wasn't the big corp doing evil. It was the big corp trying to reward a valued employee, but failing miserably. I found it painful to watch but also so enlightening.
Check out Helena bowing to her ultra-dominant father after the security disaster. She then watches herself as Helly and sees her grab Mark and kiss him on the surveillance video. Helena smiles-her Innie is confident and strong-willed and has an inkling of desire for Mark. Then contrast that with the posture of the woman now pretending to be an Innie. It's Helena-not Helly-that's down there with Helly's three friends. Would Helly comfort Irv (who doesn't seem to buy her story from the surface)? That's a great actor and director pulling this subtle move off.
By the same token, would Helena jeopardize the completion of Cold Harbor? Because that's exactly what she's doing by helping Mark on his journey to find Ms. Casey. She's also encouraging him to set Ms. Casey free. Not to mention, she's exposing him to company secrets.
Anybody who hasn't seen the trailer leaks for each episode for the rest of the 2nd season.. It's so ridiculous how much anxiety I had watching it but still doesn't spoil much somehow
This felt like a finale and it's only the third episode
You speak the true true.
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That only means there’s better to come.
Lesser shows would have ended the season on the episode 3 ending and filled the whole season out with filler.
Severance writers have it all figured out from the beginning so they can afford to have tightly written episodes with GREAT pacing!! Every episode we get questions answered, yet 5 more spring up in their place... I love this show
@ryancake42 this. Its why this and a show like Mr. Robot are spectacular. Mr. Robot is my holy grail series. Its perfect to me. Point is, Mr. Robot had an ending from the first episode. Sam knew what plot points he had to hit each season. Everything was planned out. Allowed them to take bing swings yet also know exactly where they were going. Same is to be said of Severance. As long as they are telling the truth when they say they know the ending. Know the plot points. Etc.
In conclusion. We are in the midst of our next great defining TV series.
You gotta love the Nautilus Files, they don't drop right after the show because it takes some time to put together a real analysis and not just some rehash of the plot.
I know right! I didn’t even start looking for this until this (Sunday) afternoon, because I know good things take time
What analysis? This superficial drivel barely counts as a rehash, let alone an exegesis of any sort.
@@Plexippuspetersi92so you watched the vid, decided you didnt like it, THEN went to waste more time in the comments just to hate? laaaaaame.
Absolutely! I appreciate the thought put into these videos. This is the best analysis coverage by far
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Did you notice Helena’s wording, “reset?” I think Cobel might be severed and she just dodged a testing floor reset
She was Severed at some point, her name was on the board in the security room during the innie revolution iirc
@@ColdPieceCH oh fuck
Her and miltchek (forgot how to spell his name) are severed I think, Dylan is on his way to being in a position like them. I think they take innies into the outside world and essentially kill the outtie self, but by doing so it grants the innie freedom and they look up to Lumon like a god. They still have a chip inside them so they still have to return to work or else they’ll be “reset” or “shut down”
Yeah I could see innie Dylan replacing outie Dylan @masoncook103
@@masoncook103 If cobel was severed and her outie was removed she wouldn't remember her outies mom
Episode 1: Milkshake the Shambolic Rube
Episode 2: Fetid Moppet!
Episode 3: Salt‘s Neck & Mammalians Nurturable & Fripperies
Whatever else happens in Season 2, the enrichment of our language has already been glorious.
My favorite line from season 1 was when milchick told Helly R how “agog” he was at how she was fitting in. Agog! Love it.
Let's not forget "inclusively re-canonicalized."
@@denisesudell2538 Nor the fact that Cobelvig will not "bedevil them any further", according to the Shambolic Rube
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Tramel Tillman and Sydney Cole Alexander have embodied corporate HR to such a level that I have a hard time seeing them as human. The fake smiles, the dishonesty of their corpo-speech and the way they keep their real emotions locked in is top notch acting.
Sydney Cole Alexander is absolutely perfect as Natalie. Almost literally a corporate cyborg with that headset controlling her... but occasionally we see brief glimpses of humanity breaking through in momentary facial expressions. And she is really beautiful!
It's exactly the way people act in my real company
I want to say that this was the first episode where it actually clicked for me that Hellyena was acting odd- she's usually very proactive, violent, and fearless (full of malice, you might say) but she basically stands in line behind Mark this whole episode and get creeped out by something as simple as crawling through a vent. Let's not forget this is supposedly the same Hellyena who tried to take the elevator up permanently with the help of a cable, it really didn't sit right with me.
Sure, she's a bit more timid but I question why she would risk Mark finding Ms. Casey. Also, why would Helena lean into the goat people so hard? Does she want innie Mark to find out company secrets? Does she really want him to set Ms. Casey free?
More importatnly, doesn't she want Mark to finish Cold Harbor?
I’m getting more and more convinced she is re-integrated. She is certainly more hesitant, but she has more traits of Helly that I wouldn’t expect of Helena
@@BrianLarney Maybe she's going behind the company's back, or maybe she thinks that she'll just have to play along for mark to be productive? I could see a few reasons for Helena to willingly not be working on the files, I'm not saying they're right, but there's def some windows open for writers
This new humility in her could also be the result of the shock to know that her outie is behind all this. And also her hesitation might be due to inner conflict because she loves Mark but he wants to find Gemma and she has to help him.
One thing I haven't seen anyone mention is the possibility that innie Helly might have been woken up at some point between the speech at the gala and going back to the severed floor, so that this might be innie Helly but one that's had some kind of stern talking to or been threatened in some way. Now, Helly doesn't scare easily, and is super defiant, so the only reason I could think of that she would be acting differently than before is if she believes there's a threat to the other members of the team. I'm still leaning toward this being outie Helena, but I can think of reasons that this still might be innie Helly that's been intercepted and manipulated before going back to the floor.
Mark had the timer in the beginning of the episode so he could see how long the words would have to be burned into his retinas for him to still be "seeing" them once he enters the elevator.
But we already knew that by the end of the episode
Natalie's face once the call drops and she's visibly cracking. So insanely good, so much emotion conveyed
Her face had "Get Out" level of dissonance and containment!
It was even more effecting because it’s literally her telling milchik that the board did even care enough to listen to his thanks. It’s like someone calling to thank thank you and you hanging up on them before they can even get the last word out
milchick hiding away the paintings reminded me of mark hiding away the old team photo in s1!
Which was the first scene we saw of Mark breaking the rules and becoming rebellious..
The goat set was made on a golf course where they built the walls around it. So the animals could have something to eat.
I wondered how they did that! I thought it was green screen CGI.
The biggest and most enjoyable surprise for me, personally, was how much I missed Tramell Tillman! I absolutely loathe the character of Milkshake, but Tillman is so damned charismatic as a human being that I find him irresistible! Also, Helly's arc is engrossing. Great episode, even better breakdown by our captain Nemo!
The sketch of the Exports Hall door is the message Irving is referring to in the phone booth. Outie Irv painted it over and over again until Innie Irv got the message and sketched the door/hall
Well, he also saw the paintings when he was awoken by Dylan
@@coreyshafarman8918he got what he needed, just not how he thought it would happen lol
I thought that was extremely obvious. He’s likely talking to Rhegabi as well. But I think everyone caught this.
Oh I am FULLY convinced it’s Helena down there! She even talks differently, and keeps wanting to point out how Lumon isn’t really listening or recording anymore (which Helly would NEVER believe). The only moment that made me second guess was in this episode when she held up the poster in the goat circle- that felt like a Helly move. But I think it’s just because she watched the videos of all her interactions and knows some of what she would do.
Also there was a moment in episode 1 when “Helly” gets upset and adamant about how Innies and Outties are different, which seems like a Helly move, but then I realized that Helena would feel the same outrage at being compared to her innie. It’s all sus.
They could be switching the two remotely at different times.
It’s helly. Obviously a red herring. They wouldn’t disappear the character for half a season. They want to develop helly.
To your first point about her holding up the poster- I thought it was odd that Helena would actually be trying to help them find Ms. Casey, but it’s likely that she’s confident that the innies wouldn’t find her since she looks down on them so much!
@ I will literally bet my house it’s helly.
I noticed the aggressive poster moment too. I had been sure it was Helena pretending to be Helly, but this moment made me question that. Wouldn’t Helena be more concerned for her safety in this moment? She has probably never been in such a vulnerable position before.
I also thought her concern for Irving showed that she knew him well enough to see he was troubled and her reassuring comment felt sincere to me.
I am baffled though. It’s driving me crazy lol
I think this is the best episode of the entire series so far! i even let out a little "Whoop!" of excitement when he remembered being on the conference table, sat up reintegrated, and the soundtrack started rocking "Eminence Front." That was absolutely badass!
What’s fascinating in this episode is how much it centers around those who were considered to be the most “evil” part of Luman - “guards” like Kobal, Millchak, Natalie -
And how, slowly, we can see for the first time they’re also “victims” of the manipulative system we always thought they were completely linked to.
The paintings scene is particularly disturbing: The only time we saw Millchack so unsettled was when Dylan “pirced his skin” in the crazy dance scene last season. I can’t wait to see more of his human side as the season progresses.
Tnx as always for the recaps dude! The hell with Outie Hali and long live Kier 😂
THIS! This is the first time I ever felt sorry for Milchick (and Natalie too). I hated Milchick until this point. Now I see he's trapped, a cog in a machine that's crushing him.
For sure. It looks like the only people actually in charge are the Eagans, the rest are just expendable cult members.
"The Helly question is still Lumon large" lol
Hell yea
dude, socks for xmas are great. socks with a pattern of myself as kier, even better
You know you’re getting older when you’re happy instead of disappointed at getting socks for Christmas. But still young at heart when you’re even happier with them because they have The Muppets on them… Purely hypothetical, that definitely doesn’t describe me at all [whistles nonchalantly].
What an ending!!!!! This episodes finale was incredible. The editing, the music, the combined shots - the fact that this has been hinted at since the very beginning of the show is crazy cool
I completely agree.
I think Irving and Burt were romantically involved on the outside, and when Burt opened the door, he saw a man he used to love. When Irving came to I imagine he wasn't exactly forthright in explaining how he actually ended up there. A revelation like this could explain why Burt appeared to be crying while watching Irv from his car. Maybe a part of him still misses his former partner, or perhaps he knows that Irving works a severed position at Lumon, and was able to surmise that his recent departure was somehow related to Irving's unexpected arrival. Even if it's just a gut feeling, the idea that their love could be strong enough to cross the boundary of these men's severed lives is quite touching.
Maybe Burt was in tears cause he's lost his job because of Irving
I've been wanting to see what happened when Burt opened the door since season 1 ended. I think there's a reason we haven't seen that yet, but I hope they show us!
@@janetbeatrice9505 Couldn’t agree more. This is just my gut feeling of what it could be.
While I was thinking about this episode, I had a realization about Irving.
Irving was waiting for his innie to use the OTC. He kept painting the same thing over and over so that would be the first thing his innie saw when waking up in the outside world. Mark's plan with the light made me realize this.
Ohhh interesting, I kept thinking it was to get him to dream about it but that makes sense
I don't think oIrv knew about the OTC. He did the paintings as a way to get the image through to iIrv through the subconscious. By repeatedly painting the same scene while loudly playing Ace of Spades every time, he's creating an intense multisensory memory. He was also staying up late with coffee so that iIrv would be exhausted, as it seems that sleep helps the subconscious bleedthrough in the form of dreams. This almost worked: in S1, iIrv dozes off and he sees a black oozing substance, which in retrospect we understand is black paint. It seems only a matter of time before iIrv would've seen the full image, but fortunately the OTC was able to accelerate the process.
I thought the message was given to innie irv when he walked to the staircase but that remains to be seen
No he didn’t know about otc. But that was a lucky turn of events that accomplished his goal.
I look forward to these severance videos almost as much as the TV show.
The scene with Helena and Cobel outside of lumon is one of my favorites. The way Helena says let’s reset I was like oh they’re gonna sever her- maybe turn her into the kind of part timer that ms Casey is… and the way cobel stopped and was looking at them before she dipped I think she knew as soon as she set foot on that step she was a goner. So creepy and unsettling
Yeah. That was totally a threat. Gave me chills.
Gretchen is wearing the EXACT same outfit as Pam in the Office in Season 3, Episode 17 "Business School". The shot of innie Dylan hugging Gretchen mirrors the shot of Michael and Pam hugging at the end of the episode almost exactly. Ben Stiller has said multiple times that "nothing is coincidence".
What if Gretchen’s security guard uniform is for night shift at lumon, which is how she knows milchick by name. The office reference is because they are technically coworkers?
I believe in the after episode TH-cam video she confirmed the tube was her mother's (not sure if she was supposed to be so up front) and a lot more will come out later in the season. I stumbled upon the video right after I finished the episode on Friday morning at 1am lol.
Irv doesn't trust Helena imo, he even says he's never been to o&d to her which was odd. I think it's def outtie because when they show them all go through the elevator she's the only one we don't hear a ding from which ib assume is when severance protocol kicks in.
I think they're all homeless in mammalian because they said Ms Casey said they enjoy stargazing and homeless people are often referred to as "stargazers" since they sleep outside. That's why all then maybe look scruffy. Maybe they made long term severance contacts since their work is needed more often than other positions.
You could tell Natalie was uncomfortable about receiving the gift in the past. It's gotta be a loyalty test of some sort, but its weird. Did you see the egen doll in Dylans house next to his couch when they cut to him? Why would the people have even dolls? That's like having a doll of your CEO from work in your house for your kid to play with.
My thoughts, keep up the good work
Right there with you on the homeless thought.
Maybe it was in the pineapple basket. Or milkshake brought to distract the kid when we was in the closet. Hey it could have a mix!
Don't agree on homeless people. Lumen pays a lot and provides housing to it's workers. It's very unlikely they would be homeless. Dylans wife works for Lumen as a guard or something. She wears blue and she calls Milchick Seth, meaning she knows him personally
I came across a comment that said that the love triangle they've been teasing was actually Dylan's Innie, his outie, and gretchen all along and not mark/helly/gemma and I can't stop thinking about it lol.
Tbh, I would MUCH prefer that to the mark/helly/gemma love triange because a) I'm waaaayyyy too invested in Mark and Gemma (lol) and because IMO it actually makes for much better storytelling and exploring the dynamic of innie being real people that are different from their outies. It presents a case of the show's entire premise a lot better than the mark/helly vs mark/gemma love triangle did ESPECIALLY because Mark S and Helly's relationship did not feel nearly as deep or intense as Gemma and Mark's was. I mean the man immediately agreed to risk his life and get reintegrated just so he can see his wife 🥲, you can't beat that.
What if Gretchen gets pregnant by Dylan’s innie? 🤔
Gretchen definitely likes Dylan's innie more, as he isn't a fuck-up.
re: the whole helly/helena thing, i’m almost 100% convinced that helena has taken over.
it's a bit of a reach, but i do think there’s also potentially a clue/hint to this theory in the opening title sequence - specifically, the few instances we get of helly and gemma being visually compared/mirrored. in particular, the fleeting reflections of them running in mark’s flashlight beam, and the flickering images of them both being shut into the exports elevator.
now of course this could be just the surface-level connection the two of them have as mark’s respective love interests, but i think it could go deeper. if helena truly has taken over, she’s essentially “retired” helly - and we know that, to the innies, retirement is more or less equivalent to death. helly, like gemma, is gone, “dead,” her autonomy and personhood taken from her, and her body (just like gemma’s) remains to be puppeted around by lumon.
This was my favorite episode of the season so far.
Same it’s heating up
Mr. Robot is my holy grail tv series. At the end of the 4th and final season, it was perfect to me. Sam knew the ending from the beginning. Everything was planned and shows. I can ramble endlessly about Mr. Robot.
Point is, I have a feeling Severance could rival it by its end. As long as Severance doesn't crap the bed in the end. But they say they know the end. They have a plan. And that gives me so much hope.
My biggest hope is that it is only 4 or 5 seasons. And most of all they have a PLAN. Too many shows seem to lay the tracks and don't know how to reach the destination.
Let's just hope that it doesn't get cancelled before they manage to wrap it up. I don't know what its viewing numbers are exactly, but season 1 was for sure pretty obscure and not many people seemed to have even heard of it. They are doing way more in a way of promotion this time around, but I still can't imagine its viewing numbers being super high. Hopefully it won't become too unprofitable for Apple to continue investing in.
I think it's possible that Harmony has a daughter (Charlotte) who died, and she believes that she may be somewhere on the severed floor like Gemma - would explain why she's so obsessed with Mark and Cold Harbour, and desperate to get back after looking at the tube. Perhaps her daughter is even Miss Huang?
We missed you so! Talked you up all over geekacademy livestream this evening ❤ (and I was one of MANY)!
Nicee
Yo I was at the Geekademy livestream too, and it was a great time! It was great to share theories in the chat. And yeah we were thinking of watching this video in the livestream, if it had been released, Nautilus Files had some mad hype over there :)
my friend said episode one and 2 were slow. I look at it like this episode one innie felt slow and long halls cuz that’s how being an innie feels. Episode 2 dragged outtie marks Gemma depression and showed u how long his days feel as well. Episode 3 gave us too much so much everything at once and what makes u feel like u got everything dumped on u at once? Intergration and mark got integrated. This show does everything on purpose lol
I think what the "now they send a guy" line implies is that the hallway provides a means for escape and someone figured it out at one point so Lumon had to tighten up and restrict access to the hall
I saw someone theorize that how Petey got out, assuming he didn’t just take the elevator up like normal
i have to wonder if theres something behing the whole pouch stomach thing other than just keeping them scared of each other
I didn't see no Helly belly button, neither! 😅
@Sdragnasty I saw someone make a post saying the show didn't show Helly's bellybutton so we can't know if she's an innie or an outie 😂
@ i noticed that as well but im one of those people who are still wondering if its really still Helly R
@@cordeliacullen2621 that IS HILARIOUS
It immediately made me think about the cloning theory. Like if someone was a clone grown in a test tube they wouldn't have an umbilical cord and thus no belly button 🤷
Milchick’s “gift” was wiiiilllddd
I'm like 75% sure cobel and milkshake are permanently severed and that's the arch they're setting up for Dylan.
Why would cobel remember her mom if she was severed
I do think it's outie Helena on the severed floor. But I also think that literally no one else in Lumon management is aware, that Helena used her inside knowledge to not trigger her severance chip. That leaves the question of whether she's doing it simply to gain intel or because she sees that innie Helly is way more free than she is as a Lumon scion.
But to what end? She can't spend eternity down there? Once Mark completes Cold Harbor, she's out.
Never considered that Helena is going rogue… that could why I don’t feel like “Helly” is a spy, but she is acting too strangely to be Helly
She wants the love that Helly R was feeling. Love doesn’t ask these questions.
I think we are going to see Gretchen falling in love with Dylan's innie, and have something of an 'affair' with himself. From their scenes together during the meet, I get the sense that innie Dylan's optimism really rubbed off on her, and during the outie scene later that optimism in Dylan's demeanor was notably absent. She also does not give outie Dylan near as much affection as she did innie Dylan when she left.
Chapter 35 - The Seth & Natalie Affair and Rebellion! Natalie's face love, empathy and sadness was amazing.
I think Helena only pretended to call the Board at the end. They answered so quickly? At night? It was a bluff to get Mrs. Cobel back inside the Lumon building for something nefarious.
I think the Helly/Helena question is so obvious and in your face as to be obvious to casuals not just theory enthusiasts and those down the rabbit hole, that it’s a cover to distract from something else. So she will be revealed to be Helena probably as a mild twist so we aren’t as focused on Dylan’s descent or that Irv is doing industrial espionage or is CIA or whatever, or possibly a left-field reveal that Burt is Irv’s dad, although that’s unlikely as Turturro’s age and Walken’s age are only something like 13 years apart.
We saw a photo of Irving’s dad in uniform in his outie’s apartment.
When Mark couldn't remember the colour of his mother's eyes, I got the feeling that it *wasn't* related to the reintegration procedure and he really couldn't remember. Hence Reghabi's incredulous response.
I agree. I think it was an “I can’t believe you don’t know your wife’s favorite color” type of thing
Yeah i think that was comic relief
It's always worth it to wait until you release your recap of the episode!
Finally! 😂😉 Can't wait! Love this series and your commentary.
Best severance episode! Hands down!
I think the is it Helly or Helena thing can’t be known yet. She came running out of the elevator, but at the end of season one she was tackled to the ground. I think we are missing a scene that will be revealed later. I think the same about Irving. I think we will be treated with a scene of Burt letting him into his home as Outtie Irving after Innie Irving transitions back from banging on the door and we’ll learn so much more about those two.
Yes I’m also interested in those. We saw the immediate aftermath of Mark going back to outie form, but we didn’t see it for Helly or Irving and I’m curious.
Got my parents into severance tonight lol all i gotta say is hearing that opening scene made me grin huge.
Dr Reghabi said she was better with the reintegrations, but who else has she "done"? --- Did Irving get reintegrated after he got fired (cos he thought he wasn't going back), and his bathroom breaks and walks were his way of dealing with the side effects? I know he still banged on the door, yelling for Burt, but who else could she have salt baked? 🤨
Interesting theory but remember how in episode 1 of this season Irving's innie was planning on quitting and had to be convinced to stay by Dylan. If he was reintegrated, and his outtie seems so intent on uncovering Lumon's secrets, he wouldn't be so keen on quitting once he was back in.
@murrayisarobot that's true! maybe the whole thing was so disorienting?
I think she got Burt when he retired
I think it’s Helena. She wanted to experience innie Helly’s life so bad that she found Reghabi without telling her dad or anyone in Lumon
She might have just experimented on animals like maze running rats or something (the same way we do in the real world) haha maybe she used goats (since some people think the goats are prototype severed anyway)
Been waiting patiently for this! 🎉
This episode turned me into an outie Helly theorist because the interactions between her and Mark are so awkward. It’s a testament to her acting skills that they can go from having great chemistry to having zero chemistry.
And Helly has been so boring this season. She's totally subdued. She's not rebellious at all. She's saying too much about "innies like us" but not actually doing anything to find out about their status or escape. I was 50/50 about Helly in the first episode, but now I'm sure it's Helena. And as much as I would like Helena to turn out to be a good guy whose been crushed by Lumon all her life, she's just got no personality.
I have a theory about the goat wranglers. I feel like the mamalians nurturables name refers to them in some way. All of them seem off and somewhat feral. I feel like their department is an experiment of introducing a severed person, who has no idea of what life or human etiquette is, into a herd of animals to nurture them as a more controllable human. That’s what first popped into my head during that scene. I wonder what their outies are like.
I agree. I have this feeling that they're not really people, but rather goats that were changed into people. They don't seem to care about their appearance at all. I've taken care of goats. You don't get all greasy and dirty just caring for goats. And here's [maybe] something else: Lorne's name is a near anagram for El[ea]nor, Devon and Ricken's baby! I have no idea what that could mean.
I'm as hyped for Nautilus Severance video as I am for a new Severance episode!
Thanks Bro, Love the Channel.
I even appreciated the pun.
Man I loving to see your views go up! 🙏
Commenting for algorithm and cause I always love watching these things lol. Been a crazy 3 weeks
Possible connection to the multiple uses of the word "dam" and the goats - A dam goat is a female goat that is the parent of a goat, and is used to refer to the female goat in a goat's genetic lineage.
"Dam" may also refer to dam-raised kids, which are goat kids that are raised with their dams instead of being bottle-fed. Dam-raised kids are wary of unfamiliar people and animals, and depend on their dams and the herd for safety.
This was so informative! I love it. A glimpse into goat social dynamics!
FINALLY! I was constantly checking for your newest video
It's Helena not Helly! I am convinced the elevator ding is the tell-tale sign it's Helena as she is not severing when she arrives on-floor.
You got the best severance videos bro. thank you
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Another great episode and video.
I’m 100% on board for that’s Helena on the Severed floor. There’s no explanation for why she would be acting so different if that were Helly R, and I truly don’t think this show is interested in an unsatisfying dupe like that. Does anyone have a compelling case for why that would still be Innie Helly??
I’m so curious to see more Burt. I have a bunch that we are going to learn that Outie Burt is very different than the sweet innie we all love.
To quote myself from elsewhere in this thread: "One thing I haven't seen anyone mention is the possibility that innie Helly might have been woken up at some point between the speech at the gala and going back to the severed floor, so that this might be innie Helly but one that's had some kind of stern talking to or been threatened in some way. Now, Helly doesn't scare easily, and is super defiant, so the only reason I could think of that she would be acting differently than before is if she believes there's a threat to the other members of the team. I'm still leaning toward this being outie Helena, but I can think of reasons that this still might be innie Helly that's been intercepted and manipulated before going back to the floor."
I think you hit on something! No one else has given me pause to think that the gift to Milchek was a “test” like they knew it might cause a negative reaction and were testing his ability to bite his tongue & hide any emotion
3:44 Cobel seemed shaken by the driver specifically. Maybe it was just realizing he could be trouble, but the way the focus changed from Helena to her driver for a pretty long beat seems like a very intentional choice.
Great episode and thank you for your great recap! I think that's Helena. I also think the guy with the goat headdress is related to Ricken. :)
Yo Nautilus I’ve listened to a bunch of vids already but always like hearing your thoughts on episodes
I think it's extremely obvious that it is Helena. The thing that fully convinced me is the difference in/lack of the "ding" during her transition in the elevator. But they are dropping pretty heavy hints throughout.
I also thought that in this recent episode when Helena (I’m Calling it lol) says to Mark that Miss Casey might be in one of the goat cages, that was weird. Because Helly saw the goats last season and they were not in cages. They had that little pasture of hay and were frolicking about. So why would she say anything about goat cages? My only answer is it’s actually Helena and Helena knows there are cages somewhere.
It is both. She has been re-integrated.
@@billbaggins1688 hmmm I’m unsure about that. But possibly, yeah.
@@billbaggins1688 Nope. The board didn't believe re-integration was possible until Cobell stole the chip out of Petie's dead body. They are hardly going to be able to perform a procedure on Helena that they didn't even believe possible a short while ago.
It's obviously Helena as the OP said. I can't understand how intelligent people like Nautilus, who spot plenty of things I miss, can't see something as obvious as Helena pretending to be innie Hellie!
Always look forward to your recap!
Your the best channel for this series, keep up the great work 🤪
Innie Dillon, Gretchen, and outie Dillon will definitely be involved in a throuple
awesome been waiting for your take
I really enjoy these videos and your channel ! Love from France (:
Mark's seems to have many "first" memories in Lumon, going by how his outfits cycled. It looks like his innie may have been reset quite many times.
Oh shit-that’s a good catch! I did not notice that
“Mammalians Nurturable,” like “Accounts Receivable.”
I don’t think the goats themselves are significant… it’s got to be a psychological experiment.
also, there were way too many people in that room, just on the other side of the hill for most of those scenes, no matter where the camera was placed 😑
There were doors and hatches they could have come through.
@@SteveLaw-UK - 🤷🏻♂️
Blackface, not him in the pictures.
Ya. Blue eyes
Watched both seasons of silo in 3 days and now I've been graced with this season of Severance. I'm bout to cry.
love this format ✌🏻
Seeing cobelvig driving into an infinite tundra with an oxygen mask really gives credence to the nuclear winter/food is endangered theory. The old EM-resistant cars only further this. But it could all just be creative design.
I wonder if they are working on growing things and animals underground because of the endless winter.
13:52 Now I’m curious to know if Dr. Reghabi has an informant working with her and the resistance. I just assumed when she told Mark she heard about the OTC it was because she'd seen something reported about Helena's speech in the press, but that seems unlikely given how much influence Lumon appears to have on the media.
It might get interesting next week when they meet:
Helena, who:
- is in outie mode: has knowledge of the outside world + a few days' worth of knowledge about the inside world
- doesn’t know that Mark has integrated
Mark, who:
- is reintegrated, has knowledge of both worlds
- thinks he’s dealing with Helly, who knows nothing about the outside world
- believes Helly is on his side
- has one half of him that has feelings for Helly
- and another half that has feelings for Gemma
And on top of that, maybe Gemma with Ms. Casey’s consciousness?
It’s going to be fun to watch.
Omg so glad to see you 👏
"A child has been lodged in the tunnel of goats" 😅 Some people on the production team clearly love Father Ted 🤘😄
nautilus files & pete peppers are just as exciting as the episodes themselves
That opening shot of Cobel in the snowy car was clearly a nod to the Breaking Bad finale, when Walter is in the snowy car in NH. Also Kier is blatantly Owen Wilson with a goatee.
One of the things about the episode was I was so surprised that we got events so soon. I thought we would have to wait for the visitation room and reintegration. As someone commented it felt like a finale and I feel particularly that ending could have been where the current series ended
Guys is it only me or everyone has the same need to go and watch parts of episoedes of season 1 to connect some important details to season 2 i mean its crazy its all so brilliantly connected that its almost unbelievable how good this series is....!!!
The quality we gladly wait for 👏👏👏
Well, finally!
I watched some other channels, but they're Nautilus lite, at best!
14:41 I heard it as “the Helly question is still.. *Lumon” large” .. I see what you did there 😎
I liked the "thread" format for this video
Now I pretty much have no idea where this season is going to go I thought this was how the season was gonna end, I am blown away
@3:40 I took it that look of fear stemmed from seeing the driver, which we have not seen before, and she knew that once she entered the building and out of sight then Helen was going to pull a double cross.
Something I noticed about Natalie is that she refers to the board as “it” instead of “they”. Is this weird to anyone else?
Yep, it feels intentional
As someone who writes about corporations for a living (yay), "it" is actually the correct pronoun. A board has a singular objective and is more unified than a group of people, which is why you don't use "they."
Yes I caught that too…but subsequently Helena tells Cobelvig that “we’ll speak to them together,” when referring to the Board, so I’m not sure what to think!!!
Edit: read above comment, perhaps it is the correct grammatical reference, but I feel like I’ve never heard the Board referenced before like that, which could also be intentional.
@@47ejecting2 yeah this crossed my mind… I wasn’t sure if this was normal corporate talk or not
Nauti, someone on the team said there was a clue in the stuff on Milchick's computer in this episode. But I can't seem to figure it out. Looks like he's turning survellience on and off for various employees. But the employee in question has a number we haven't seen before.
I felt it implied that if Cobel went onto the building she would have been killed. The chauffeur taking that step forward...
i really needed this tn ty, sir.
This is an amazing channel
Can't wait to see what Marc does now that he is integrated.
Forgive me for being a middle-aged white woman commenting on something I don't experience, but that scene with Milchick and Natalie played so perfectly to me. You saw all the pain, all the corporate horseshit and tone-deafness, all the understanding and misunderstanding in the faces of Milchick and Natalie. Some EXCELLENT face acting by both actors there. I mean, they made me understand what it feels like to be a person of colour in a corporate job where they just don't get you. It wasn't the big corp doing evil. It was the big corp trying to reward a valued employee, but failing miserably. I found it painful to watch but also so enlightening.
Check out Helena bowing to her ultra-dominant father after the security disaster. She then watches herself as Helly and sees her grab Mark and kiss him on the surveillance video. Helena smiles-her Innie is confident and strong-willed and has an inkling of desire for Mark. Then contrast that with the posture of the woman now pretending to be an Innie. It's Helena-not Helly-that's down there with Helly's three friends. Would Helly comfort Irv (who doesn't seem to buy her story from the surface)? That's a great actor and director pulling this subtle move off.
By the same token, would Helena jeopardize the completion of Cold Harbor? Because that's exactly what she's doing by helping Mark on his journey to find Ms. Casey. She's also encouraging him to set Ms. Casey free. Not to mention, she's exposing him to company secrets.
Anybody who hasn't seen the trailer leaks for each episode for the rest of the 2nd season..
It's so ridiculous how much anxiety I had watching it but still doesn't spoil much somehow