Foundation fucking sucks, so idiotically written crap for empty headed dorks who don't like to think, so can't even place it on a list and I haven't watched Dark Matter. So here's my list: 1. Severance (pretty much a prefect show, when even the color grading is top tier, you can't lose) 2. Silo (even with some stupidity in it's writing, it's still a great and captivating show)
*_Okay, hear me out. All of this is taking place in the brain. You've got three Marks. You've got the innie, the outy. Then you got what I'm going to call the intuition Mark That can carry information back and forth between the innie and the outy._* *_Then you have intuition Mark's sister and brother-in-law and the baby. But the thing about that is that The sister Is this brain's rationale. The brother-in-law is the imagination. And the baby is when we're being a baby. Then you have the "executives" Which would be like a persons executive function which is like what controls a humans heart beat and keeping a persons lungs breathing on its own. But the executive function doesn't communicate with the any of those Marks that I was just talking about before. You got Cobell and Milchick, which is the prefrontal cortex. They are what's in charge of all the other marks or all of the other parts of the brain. Cobell was the prefrontal cortex that was in charge of this person before milchic refined the prefrontal. This is why milchik and corbell are not severed because that part of the brain would not need to be need to be in order to make all of this work. The green door with all the ancient symbols is the doorway to the central nervous system. That's the oldest part of the brain. Marx's wife isn't Marks wife She is his mate, but she's his opposite. She's his feminine side, and Mark is the masculine side. Corbell remembers being part of luman since she was a child. So that part of the brain is the last part of the brain that develops and you start from baby prefrontal cortex to adult prefrontal cortex and then ultimately in control of the whole system. Cobell/Cortex._* *_Then you got emotion which would be the two gay guys. I come up with a few more connections that has done slipped my mind but basically you get the idea of what my concept is. So if this ends up being right then make sure to show some love. Oh yeah, the work that they are doing on the computers are rewriting the brain or refining rather. And I think their whole scheme is that they want to rewrite every human. I think that's what the imagery of the guy feeding the goat was supposed to symbolize. That dude with the beard is trying to clone himself into every human. That big dude in the suit that sets in that room next to that ancient green door It's like the guard between that part of the brain that has language and the part of the brain that doesn't have language, that's why he doesn't talk. I just realized that Millkick or however you spell his name might be that part of the brain that will override the prefrontal cortex and its good judgment capabilities. Because when you are hungry That literally overrides your good judgment because food is the most essential. So he could quite literally be a meal check._*
The blackface Kier moment was probably one of the best scenes this show has had. As a person of color in a corporation, we have all had to share that Natalie look with each other at one point of “I know, but we have to behave” She killed that scene. The difference between what her eyes and smile were saying was nothing but impressive
@@princessthyemis i think the difference to me is that this is the company thinking that thats how he will feel “included” but that does nothing but make a POC feel like theyre seen as nothing but their skin color. I know many black people who are into the black santa thing. But it is different when they get to CHOOSE that is what they believe than when the company ASSUMES that’s what they want/need
The moment between Natalie and Milchick speaks even so much more when you're connected to Black lineage. The nonverbal looks in each other's eyes is so important when you're a person of color in the workplace. To me, i saw Milchick's look saying "what the fuck is this shit?" And Natalie's look saying "I know, right! but keep it together and act grateful. They're watching and listening."
That lip tremble spoke volumes, or said nothing. Natalie was assessing Milkshake's face for clues, but you're not sure WHICH clues. Was she deathly afraid he'd spazz? Or was she searching for a sign he isn't completely loyal to Keir? I caught that they used the word 'uppity' about Devon and wondered if it would have layers. I saw the after show commentary and Tillman proposed that his character may not be aware that he's Black. And THAT blew my mind.
But I wonder, in Natalie's paintings, were they of Keir's Wife? Or of a female Eagan scion like Myrtle? Cause I know, 1 would make me feel like less than the other. As a Black Woman that 1 scene added even MORE weight than this show was already carrying.
🤯 what if this world is soooooo different from ours, that they made images of Keir as a gender swapped Natalie?! That would REALLY mess my head up if I were in her position, with the way they worship him.
It would imply that 'taming the tempers' got rid of racism and sexism in the workplace. BUt perverting the image of what is basically their god is an ok gift for middle management? Those tempers gotta be HELLA trained for that.
As most of us agree it’s hellys outie now inside the severed floor, it was a surprise to see that even she was confused when she saw the goat room. You can be an Eagan and still not even know the full scope of what lumens doing. Everything about this show is perfectly exaggerated to how corporations are run in real life
That scene briefly made me think huh, maybe this IS helly R because she seems genuinely confused, but yeah I think this is just grunt work that’s 20 rungs below her and a company executive in a mega-corporation might not know any more about “wtf these goats are for” than a severed employee would
I literally don't understand how you can think that? So she's just the best actor in the world then? Her personality is completely different. I know she was watching tapes of her innie, but it would be such a stretch to think she could completely change her personality, tone, everything, so no one has even suspected anything. The writers aren't stupid. Is clearly a double bluff
@@Troffffy what would they suspect? How would they have any clue that Helly is the daughter of the CEO with the OPTION to come to the severed floor unsecured? They could surely sense something is off but wouldn't be able to attribute it to anything.
@@coinslot123 so she's just an incredible actor then? Do you not think there's a reason the writer wrote her innie and outie's personality's, voices etc. as so completely different? Her portrayal of her innie is so perfect that they haven't questioned anything?
I was so touched by Dylan this episode. In season 1 we saw how he fantasized about how great his outies could be. After he met his son, everything changed for him with the experience bringing to the surface how much he must love his children. But now he's facing the fact that not only is he not the grand man of his dreams but also he's the type of man his family can't depend on. How devastating! The innie Dylan we've come to know is funny, loyal, intelligent, and courageous. He's now in a dreadful position, left to choose between his real family and his work family.
yeah! And Milchick said "SHE will never descend to your floor again," when he visited the house...I instantly thought, "What if they sever HER?! So it technically wouldn't be her going down to that floor!"
Just further proves that this is a cult, and they want people to see themselves in Kier and be like him, that they have something in common. You could also see that Natalie was also just as uncomfortable with the blackface as Milchick.
@@777cherries It sort of looks like a combination of both Kier and Seth, kinda like one of those AI-generated mashups of two faces. Makes me wonder what the paintings they gave Natalie looked like.
I feel like this breaks a lot of norms with modern television. A lot of times today, I feel like show writers would drag out the decision to reintegrate for a few episodes or make it a big fight against the clock or against a pursuing force to reintegrate in the finale, and make us wait to see its effects until the next season. They really just let it happen, with no unrealistic or questionable decisions, just a quick decision to reintegrate with no going back at the last second (another thing that too many pieces of media do). I fully expected something to go horribly wrong, there to be complications, Mark to bail out, Mark to say that he will “think about it” until some grand revelation forces him to reintegrate, or anything like that. Loved how they did it, can’t wait for next Friday.
Yes!! Agreed. They made a lot progress in the story. I thought it would have been years before Mark merged. Notice that Irving seemed suspicious of Hely’s behavior? It was brief.
@@joshuaboraz7984 Please, some of us haven't watched any promotional materials in order to avoid spoilers. Would be nice if people commenting respected that.
Mrs. Cobel got super nervous and left when she saw the guy next to Helena. Recently one guy has been operating the "export floor" aka the spooky black elevator where people get reset. I think that was the guy and thats why Harmony was so scared
I'm thinking that guy possibly replaced Graner after he was killed, as the security manager for the severed floor. It would make sense then that he'd be the one guarding the "exports hall", which probably started right after they "retired" Ms. Casey. It also tracks that Harmony would be aware of that fact, so your theory makes sense.
1. Harmony clocking that it's weird how the board just out of nowhere would have time for her leading her to flee in terror is the sanest decision in the entire show. 2. Milkshake receiving blackface'd painings has strong "corporations celebrate pride month" vibes. A corp will be exclusionary and horrible to every minority whenever it can, but they will use imagery to pretend they aren't. 3. It feels like a major faux-pas to me that Lumon would allow Dylan to meet his outtie's actual wife. Just get an actress and you can steer it anyway you want without any danger. This might come back to bite them.
Yeah!!! I was thinking the wife was going to be a Lumon actress, but she was real?! And they didn't wipe her mind or blindfold her on the way out or anything?! Everything they do as a coldly caculated reason behind it, so why did they just let her in?! :O
@@princessthyemis The way I see it: They are in a confrontational argument. Helena offers to call the board and says they agree to meet/talk. Out of NOWHERE. At first she thinks she got everything she wanted but then it dawned that it's the Lumon board. Whatever they are, they wouldn't be available on such short notice at that time of day, and Helena wouldn't give in this quickly. It was a transparent trap, so she ran. The "chauffeur"/enforcer was just to hammer it home. Also, Gretchen makes less and less sense to me. It takes a second of a slip-up and suddenly they'd have to kill her to avoid the message getting out. And Dylan to boot, because oDylan knows she's visiting iDylan. And the kids, probably.
The incubator tube in Cobel's car is from Charlotte Cobel who many theorise is probably Harmony Cobel's mother as (in season 1) it was labelled 1944. We first saw it on Cobel's shrine to Kier that she was praying to in season 1.
I feel it was super significant that Mammalian's Nurtureable were initially concerned that Mark was there to kill them.... that links the goats, and death.
I think it's more of a callback to the propaganda we saw in season 1, that Lumon used to keep the departments from interacting with each other. Same with the idea that the workers of MDR had pouches, something that was literally mentioned in season 1.
I felt like we got a whole seasons worth of story in one episode. It’s like we’ve treaded water for so long, suddenly story wise we’re rushed forward like a jet ski. I feel Harmony is going for a face turn, unless this is a red herring.
I am suspecting the same. She seems so loyal to Kier, but her shrine indicates she is obsessed. If she feels betrayed, she might snap and decide to tear it all down.
Honestly, her fake smile used to scare me, but after this episode, I can't help but feel bad for her for some reason. It sort of feels like she's somehow tragically trapped in a position she doesn't really want to be in.
OMG does this mean that Irving is a clone that has been re-integrated into society, hence why he remembers going down the "Exports Hall"? To me there is a reason his face is on the mug that Mark falls into during the show's opening sequence. He may be the poster child for a successful clone not only functioning but thriving in society unbeknownst...
We still haven't had reference to the board/mangers wondering how the team managed to get the key card that gained access to all of the rooms. I'd be interested to find out whether they managed to link a connection between outie and innie Mark getting it from the security. I can't believe they just skipped past it
Everyone ignoring the “reset” comment with Harmony.. Helene suggested a reset, then asked to speak to the board. I got the vibe harmony may not be severed but there may be something else there The breathing tube is the same tube from her “shrine” in season 1
As someone who works in corporate this is so relatable. Cobalt and Millchick are like the middle managers of companies who are torn! They are not happy with the treatment from their employer yet they were given a higher status compared to the rest so they feel loyal and devoted even though it’s conflicting. I feel like my supervisor is in this category. She grumbles about upper management and the decisions they make but some of her actions tell me she is still somewhat in the cahoots with them probably because of her given position and compensation. It’s kind of like the abused wife who despises her abusive husband but still feel dedicated to him and will take his side even after the fact of being mistreated!
I agree that Dillon's wife is probably digging the 'inny' version and the way she kinda shrugged off talking to 'outy' dillion about the visit makes me think she's almost treating the encounter as if she were maybe considering pursuing a 'separate' relationship with the inny version. She was alomst acting like she was 'cheating' on the outy version with the inny? 😏
I don’t even think I would call Keir being depicted as black for Milchik’s benefit as blackface (in response to other ppl’s comments). It feels rather closer to tokenism. It feels similar to when corporations will say they are diverse and inclusive, depicting people of non-white ethnic background and culture on company documents, but are not in reality. It’s just to make a person from ‘lower levels’ (as viewed by upper management-the board) feel somewhat important (but Milchik sees through it) Edit. Also, great summary and analysis, as always! I agree: not the strongest/most impactful, but still great episode. Being allowed to explore more the outie perspective this season has really been good
My thought exactly. At least one of them had a huge injury/bruise on their face. Unless it’s a birthmark, it’s hard for me to believe they have an outie who is going home with those kind of injuries and not quitting.
I’m really interested in the fact that the head lady they spoke to wore lots of makeup though compared to pretty much everyone else in the show. Like what does her outtie think she does at work if she’s wearing makeup and a business suit?
Wowie!!! This episode was so great.I still can’t organize everything in my brain with all we’ve learned in this episode . I listened to you both twice and will listen again. The one thing I wish I could have seen was Devon roll her eyes while Ricken goes on and on… He most def is earning his keep from Lumon. Pineapples, during colonial times used as a sign of welcome. Thank you for all you do I so enjoy your take on all the shows you do. 😊
The medical device in the back seat of Miss Selvig's car also appeared in Season one episode 8 alongside a medical bracelet that has the name Charlotte Cobel DOB 3-17-44. So my guess is it belonged to her mom. Since she'd be 78 years old. Assuming this takes place in 2024.
I wonder if the gift for Milchick isn’t necessarily disconnected, but instead more terrifying. “Seeing himself” could mean that the board intends to “honor ” him by using his mind/ body as a vessel for Eagen reincarnation. A true follower might consider this a high honor, but for Milchick and Natalie, it’s a scary thought to end your own existence to allow someone else to be you
I have a friend named Jeff who also happens to work with me. What's interesting is a work we talk about Severance and He loves the show and goes to breakdown after watching it and looks for details.....But ....But , When I see him outside of work I'll try to talk about it and he has no recollection of the show or even knows what it is..... Has my friend jeff been severed?
I find it most interesting that Ben Stiller knows we are all trying to figure things out so he has this segment after each show to steer us in the general direction!
Is the 'Board' even real? If so, why do we never get to see or hear them? Who (besides probably Jame and Helena) are on the Board? Why do they feel the need to be so secretive?
We heard them speak once, when Harmony asked Natalie if the board was even there, and a voice in the speaker said "yes" (IIRC). It sounded like a voice of an older man, possibly Jame.
The Wife will either scheme a way to make to make innie Dylan switch with outtie Dylan; Or, Lumon will flat out ask her if she’d like them switched. All without outtie Dylan’s consent.
Cobel got spooked by the Limo driver. The Limo driver looks EXACTLY like the statue of Baird Eagan (CEO #4). Check out season 1's visit to the Perpetuity Wing. Cobel recognized him and figured that Lumon was resurrecting the dead, and she did not trust going in there.
11:53 my theory for Irving: He has been “exported” before which to me might mean he got a “mind” or “consciousness” reset before. Which would explain why his outie has visions of this place (an effect of being reset, phantom images/memories). And maybe that is why we see Irving be such a HUGE Kier following in S1, almost like he was programmed to.
He mentioned in season one that he was hired at an older age and implied that he wasn’t working there longer than Dylan, but maybe he has worked there for decades but gets reset every few years so he doesn’t remember. Just like the innies retain learned knowledge from the outside world, yet do not remember anything from their own lives, perhaps Irving retained knowledge of Kier, the manual, etc. which is why he is so much more of a follower of “kierism” than everyone else. I would also guess that Burt is the same in that regard.
1) Mark and Irv both know that Helena is present and not Helly. 2) The goats have something to do with the severed workers. In the intro Mark's head turns into a goat. 3) Gretchen, Dylan's wife, works for Lumon Security, she is seen coming down the stairs in what appears to be the same uniform as the people we see mark check in and out with every day. 4) Why do they need a Exports Hall when they don't make useful things, that we know of, but rather preserve and store useful things. 5) Devin and Ricken will be divided about Natalie and Lumon's request to rewrite his book, because of Mark. 6)Harmony Cobel is an illegitimate child of Jame Egan. 7) The two Marks will learn to love each others lives and relationships and when he went to see Ragabi standing in the doorway one side of his silhouette was red and the other blue. The background was blue and his shirt is red, the machine is blue and the buttons are red. Just like in the intro, the innie is in blue and the outtie is in red. 8) Milchick is going to go against Lumon in some way, it is brewing.
I agree with everything except im still on the fence on whether mark knows its helena. And im curious to know why you believe harmony is egan daughter?
@@xK0VIthat extended awkward moment before the goat scene between Helly and Mark. That felt like a really weird moment where Mark noticed something is very off
I think the goats have bigger brains than rats, and Lumon includes brain chips as basically neurotech. Don’t you think they would animal test new chip designs in something other than humans, to see if the new design works, if it causes integration, if it cause seizures, death, brain death, permanent severance, etc?
@@yousawnothin i know, and then its a race to spoilerland.. i saw Capn Phasma was in episode before i could even turn on my TV.. its somethin new every week
Can’t wait for reintegrated mark to figure out who Helly is on the outside… also Cobels car is the one in the lake on the intro. Wonder if they’ll activate the OTC while Cobel is frantically driving away, causing her innie to lose control of the vehicle and crash into the lake/ water.
showing Gemma and Helly together in the intro makes sense now too that Mark is reintegrated. He holds memories / feelings for both of them simultaneously now.
No one mentioned Irv saying "after some time." The team was told 5 months, the actual time was a week. Also "Month? You mean Quarter?" I feel that way at work all of the time
It looks like Cobel’s car in the intro, stuck in the ice. I wonder whether they’ll pursue her and run the car off the road. Her driving is pretty wild too haha!
I love the episode but i'm a little worried about where the show is going with Mark being reintegrated so soon when I was expecting they were just beginning to figure out how to pass message between outies and innies. Given the fate of Petey, I'm really worried how Mark is gonna handle the immense psychological weight of reintegration for the rest of the season and even if he'll be alive at the end of it. I sort of expect Lumen and Colbert to figure he is reintegrated and experiment on him to perfect the severance technology, ending the season on a rather bleak note.
Agreed. I thought it was too soon to reintegrate Mark. I thought maybe have 1 episode explore how he would try to pass messages to his innie. Oh well - we are still in for a wild ride the way it is going now.
It's clear that the board is infact some AI or form of being that is being brought to life by the severed people performing work. They are learning to resurrect people.
I think you’re right, something about the way Helena asked if the Board was available at the end of the episode made it sound more like the Board was a single person or entity rather than an actual board of directors.
@@renx81 Do this. Google Baird Eagan for a screen capture of him, that was seen in season 1 when they visited the perpetuity wing. Then play this latest episode and pause it when the driver's face is in focus. Compare the two. Totally Baird Eagan.
I could be completely wrong, but it seemed like certain goats were close to a particular caretaker at the Mammalian Nurturable (ie: a white goat who stayed closeby Gwendoline). For instance, when Gwendoline rung the cowbell, all of the hidden caretakers appeared out of nowhere to backup Gwendoline; a few goats also surrounded Mark & Helena, keeping close & mimicking their caretaker. I believe that a few selected goats must have been mentally integrated with a conscious, conscience, or possibly even a subconscious connection with particular caretakers. It could mean that Lumon is or has conducted a different form of severed & unsevered experiments on those human caretakers, who are paired up with their mental connection to those goats specifically chosen best for them. This could be an extended version of Lumon's cloning & mental/mind-integration experiments. 🤔
Maybe I’m overthinking it, but I’m still confused as how Milkshake was able to do the OTC on Dylan back in season 1. We know in the manual that two people are required for the process but when the OTC was done, Graner was dead and Cobel wasn’t at the Lumon building. We don’t know of anyone else in security and it didn’t seem like there is anyone else since MDR was able to get into the security room with ease. So who helped him? What are the cards for and why do they have attack manuals on them? Was it just a plot point to reach the season’s finale?? Idk!!
Marks cold harbor progress is connected to his wife’s “build” and when he gets his innie activated on the outside, he has the same patterns as his wife’s results. I’m not sure what it means tho or if this has already been talked about.
@@lakshd24it sounds weird to me that an afterimage that would have had to last several minutes, that a few seconds of dialation would be 100% sure to clear it, but I dunno, not an eye expert at all
Please, Helena is shocked to see her innie kissing Mark on the security camera video. She's not happy or envious. The smile is from before, when she tells Mark that joke about car coupons. Everybody is misinterpreting that scene and seeing clues and pieces of evidence everywhere like a conspiracy theory sort of thing.
im so curious about Milchick’s home life. We know Lumon usually picks employees based on current life circumstances that would make them emotionally or mentally malleable. I have a feeling he had a family but there was either some deaths or they just left him. He’s wayyy to devoted to the job on the inside and outside to have a good fam/home life. Gretchen 1000% doesnt like outie Dylan anymore. But this may end up being the reason for outdie dylan to get jealous and try to stop Gretchen and innie dylan from interacting.
Hellena faking being an innie is the most obvious thing in the entire show. However what i'm wondering is, how they got to a stage in technology where they can severe memories but are still driving 90s cars.
Haha! I’m not convinced she is faking. I think the show is leading us to question whether she is but it could go either way. Mark will find out she’s an Eagan. That’s gonna make things interesting.
@@sharon60280 I’m entirely sure she’s faking and it almost the biggest bother to me this season. So obvious to me that I am genuinely bothered that they didn’t just reveal it. In the first season, we knew what they knew and now knowing that she’s not Helly, I like this song, while also not being confirmed, it is kind of uncomfortable for me.
I think the 70s thru 90s cars exist because the show is in it’s own “land/world” that is separated from the rest of the world. No imported goods, so they use older items - except for Helena’s cell phone. It’s up to date!
Maybe the mammals being nurtured aren't the goats--its the people. What if their 'outies' are homeless etc, and the interaction with the goats is a form of therapy?
3:21 Harmony didn't say she wasn't born into the position, she said "Everything I accomplished, I earned… through dedication and industry, not because I was born into it." Everyone is severed , living in an experiement and the Kier organization are trying to engineer their way out. Mark and Gemma the lead experiments. This episode reveals that Mark and his sister Devon are in a communion of which Devon's husband Ricken is not part.
How to did Irving learn about the door in the first place? I wonder whether Burt told Irving’s ‘outie’, as Felicia said they used to go down to exports and Burt may have been there through his role as head of O&D. I also wonder whether Irving himself used to work for O&D but got too close to learning the truth (his ‘outie’ having been investigating) and had to be wiped of his memories and relocated to a new department.
The Limo driver looks EXACTLY like the statue of Baird Eagan (CEO #4). Check out season 1's visit to the Perpetuity Wing. Cobel recognized him and figured that Lumon was resurrecting the dead.
I think that has something to do with sleep. Irvs outie stays up late painiting, his innie was seen falling asleep at work and was punished for it. Plus he saw the black paint but didnt know the meaning. Maybe falling asleep as innie unlocks memories/dreams of outie. Which is why he was punished for it
As weird as it may sound, I don’t think it’s Helena who’s going to work. There’s some things about Helly that seems sus, but I feel like it being her outie it’s predictable and the writers would come up with something better. At this point, I’m leaning towards it just being iHelly, who for some reason is acting sus after what she saw up there, or Helena has reintegrated. I hadn’t considered this, but after Mark did in this episode, it could make sense. Helena reintegrating seems strange, because her innie and her outie have very different goals, but perhaps it’s some sort of “official” reintegration that Lumon can do, so in a way she is both Helly and Helena. Would explain the sus things, and also what she says to mark on episode 1 about not owing anything to their outies. Idk. I just don’t think it’s so clear cut it’s Helena going to MDR
I agree that it's definitely not clear cut, and frankly, it irks me when people speak with absolute certainty whichever way they lean. The question is deliberately left open, and I have a feeling that they have a good reason for keeping it this way for as long as they have. Future episodes will tell.
Lumen is so evil. They are manipulating innie Dylan for their purposes. Exposing innie Dylan to elements of his outie life such as his wife is obviously going to cause turmoil for both versions of Dylan. I believe their intention is to have his wife convince outie Dylan and Lumen to just do away with outie Dylan because je is the more productive and productive version of himself.
I wonder if the "board" means "board of directors" as we understand it or whether it is an AI overload that manifests itself in Natalie (ie, the "motherboard") to monitor middle management,.
Where do you think Severance ranks in Apple TV+ Sci-Fi shows? Dark Matter, Foundation, Silo - there's so many to choose from!
1. Severance
2. Silo
3. Dark Matter
4. Foundation
Foundation fucking sucks, so idiotically written crap for empty headed dorks who don't like to think, so can't even place it on a list and I haven't watched Dark Matter.
So here's my list:
1. Severance (pretty much a prefect show, when even the color grading is top tier, you can't lose)
2. Silo (even with some stupidity in it's writing, it's still a great and captivating show)
*_Okay, hear me out. All of this is taking place in the brain. You've got three Marks. You've got the innie, the outy. Then you got what I'm going to call the intuition Mark That can carry information back and forth between the innie and the outy._*
*_Then you have intuition Mark's sister and brother-in-law and the baby. But the thing about that is that The sister Is this brain's rationale. The brother-in-law is the imagination. And the baby is when we're being a baby. Then you have the "executives" Which would be like a persons executive function which is like what controls a humans heart beat and keeping a persons lungs breathing on its own. But the executive function doesn't communicate with the any of those Marks that I was just talking about before. You got Cobell and Milchick, which is the prefrontal cortex. They are what's in charge of all the other marks or all of the other parts of the brain. Cobell was the prefrontal cortex that was in charge of this person before milchic refined the prefrontal. This is why milchik and corbell are not severed because that part of the brain would not need to be need to be in order to make all of this work. The green door with all the ancient symbols is the doorway to the central nervous system. That's the oldest part of the brain. Marx's wife isn't Marks wife She is his mate, but she's his opposite. She's his feminine side, and Mark is the masculine side. Corbell remembers being part of luman since she was a child. So that part of the brain is the last part of the brain that develops and you start from baby prefrontal cortex to adult prefrontal cortex and then ultimately in control of the whole system. Cobell/Cortex._*
*_Then you got emotion which would be the two gay guys. I come up with a few more connections that has done slipped my mind but basically you get the idea of what my concept is. So if this ends up being right then make sure to show some love. Oh yeah, the work that they are doing on the computers are rewriting the brain or refining rather. And I think their whole scheme is that they want to rewrite every human. I think that's what the imagery of the guy feeding the goat was supposed to symbolize. That dude with the beard is trying to clone himself into every human. That big dude in the suit that sets in that room next to that ancient green door It's like the guard between that part of the brain that has language and the part of the brain that doesn't have language, that's why he doesn't talk. I just realized that Millkick or however you spell his name might be that part of the brain that will override the prefrontal cortex and its good judgment capabilities. Because when you are hungry That literally overrides your good judgment because food is the most essential. So he could quite literally be a meal check._*
Foundation fucking rules! Don’t listen to this guy who prob should’ve stopped watching if he’s this upset 😂
#1 and it's not close
The blackface Kier moment was probably one of the best scenes this show has had. As a person of color in a corporation, we have all had to share that Natalie look with each other at one point of “I know, but we have to behave”
She killed that scene. The difference between what her eyes and smile were saying was nothing but impressive
I agree, this was great acting
Yeah!!! She is incredible at conveing SOOO much through her smile, and she doesn't have that many lines compared to others!
It reminded me of those plastic Black Santa Clauses I've seen--kind of a cheesy corporate way to way, "We care about you individually" maybe??
@@princessthyemis i think the difference to me is that this is the company thinking that thats how he will feel “included” but that does nothing but make a POC feel like theyre seen as nothing but their skin color.
I know many black people who are into the black santa thing. But it is different when they get to CHOOSE that is what they believe than when the company ASSUMES that’s what they want/need
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The moment between Natalie and Milchick speaks even so much more when you're connected to Black lineage. The nonverbal looks in each other's eyes is so important when you're a person of color in the workplace. To me, i saw Milchick's look saying "what the fuck is this shit?" And Natalie's look saying "I know, right! but keep it together and act grateful. They're watching and listening."
That lip tremble spoke volumes, or said nothing.
Natalie was assessing Milkshake's face for clues, but you're not sure WHICH clues.
Was she deathly afraid he'd spazz? Or was she searching for a sign he isn't completely loyal to Keir?
I caught that they used the word 'uppity' about Devon and wondered if it would have layers.
I saw the after show commentary and Tillman proposed that his character may not be aware that he's Black. And THAT blew my mind.
But I wonder, in Natalie's paintings, were they of Keir's Wife? Or of a female Eagan scion like Myrtle? Cause I know, 1 would make me feel like less than the other. As a Black Woman that 1 scene added even MORE weight than this show was already carrying.
🤯 what if this world is soooooo different from ours, that they made images of Keir as a gender swapped Natalie?! That would REALLY mess my head up if I were in her position, with the way they worship him.
It would imply that 'taming the tempers' got rid of racism and sexism in the workplace. BUt perverting the image of what is basically their god is an ok gift for middle management? Those tempers gotta be HELLA trained for that.
Idc what kinda promotion anyone I know ever got, no company ever bought a Black Jesus/Malcolm X/My Grandma photo for her wall.
As most of us agree it’s hellys outie now inside the severed floor, it was a surprise to see that even she was confused when she saw the goat room. You can be an Eagan and still not even know the full scope of what lumens doing. Everything about this show is perfectly exaggerated to how corporations are run in real life
That scene briefly made me think huh, maybe this IS helly R because she seems genuinely confused, but yeah I think this is just grunt work that’s 20 rungs below her and a company executive in a mega-corporation might not know any more about “wtf these goats are for” than a severed employee would
Strongly doubt that.
I literally don't understand how you can think that? So she's just the best actor in the world then? Her personality is completely different. I know she was watching tapes of her innie, but it would be such a stretch to think she could completely change her personality, tone, everything, so no one has even suspected anything. The writers aren't stupid. Is clearly a double bluff
@@Troffffy what would they suspect? How would they have any clue that Helly is the daughter of the CEO with the OPTION to come to the severed floor unsecured? They could surely sense something is off but wouldn't be able to attribute it to anything.
@@coinslot123 so she's just an incredible actor then? Do you not think there's a reason the writer wrote her innie and outie's personality's, voices etc. as so completely different? Her portrayal of her innie is so perfect that they haven't questioned anything?
I was so touched by Dylan this episode. In season 1 we saw how he fantasized about how great his outies could be. After he met his son, everything changed for him with the experience bringing to the surface how much he must love his children. But now he's facing the fact that not only is he not the grand man of his dreams but also he's the type of man his family can't depend on. How devastating! The innie Dylan we've come to know is funny, loyal, intelligent, and courageous. He's now in a dreadful position, left to choose between his real family and his work family.
Maybe when Helena asked Harmony “why don’t we reset?”, maybe she was hinting that they could reset/erase Harmony’s memories…
Good catch i agree, i thought harmony didnt go because she thought they would kill her but this makes more sense.
I thought the same
Same , I’m wondering if she is somehow severed too
yeah! And Milchick said "SHE will never descend to your floor again," when he visited the house...I instantly thought, "What if they sever HER?! So it technically wouldn't be her going down to that floor!"
I assumed that was happening when bad helly made the phone call.
I literally yelled "wtf??" when i saw the blackface of keir. I felt Milchick's silent rage
Just further proves that this is a cult, and they want people to see themselves in Kier and be like him, that they have something in common. You could also see that Natalie was also just as uncomfortable with the blackface as Milchick.
literallyyy and the deep blue eyes showing its just kier PAINTED black, not a recreation of the painting showing Seth as Kier.
I'm so pleased that they weren't afraid to go there, and Milchick played that scene like a Boss.
@@777cherries It sort of looks like a combination of both Kier and Seth, kinda like one of those AI-generated mashups of two faces. Makes me wonder what the paintings they gave Natalie looked like.
Keirs racist??!!.cancel him!!
Mark not even hesitating to get reintegrated just to see his wife Gemma even after seeing how it went down with Petey.
Well, he knows that Petey didn't follow Regabi's introductions. He just left
Dude loves his woman more than anything. Tracks.
I feel like this breaks a lot of norms with modern television. A lot of times today, I feel like show writers would drag out the decision to reintegrate for a few episodes or make it a big fight against the clock or against a pursuing force to reintegrate in the finale, and make us wait to see its effects until the next season. They really just let it happen, with no unrealistic or questionable decisions, just a quick decision to reintegrate with no going back at the last second (another thing that too many pieces of media do). I fully expected something to go horribly wrong, there to be complications, Mark to bail out, Mark to say that he will “think about it” until some grand revelation forces him to reintegrate, or anything like that. Loved how they did it, can’t wait for next Friday.
This was my favorite episode so far. We learned a lot more and opened up many new questions, in both the innie and outie world.
Yeah I really feel like the two worlds are going to feel so connected in this season
Yes!! Agreed. They made a lot progress in the story. I thought it would have been years before Mark merged. Notice that Irving seemed suspicious of Hely’s behavior? It was brief.
I am worried about reintegrated Mark especially in the promo shot where we see Mr Drummond slam him against the wall.
That ending scene felt like the title sequence with how it was shot and edited and I loved it
@@joshuaboraz7984 Please, some of us haven't watched any promotional materials in order to avoid spoilers. Would be nice if people commenting respected that.
Mrs. Cobel got super nervous and left when she saw the guy next to Helena. Recently one guy has been operating the "export floor" aka the spooky black elevator where people get reset.
I think that was the guy and thats why Harmony was so scared
I'm thinking that guy possibly replaced Graner after he was killed, as the security manager for the severed floor. It would make sense then that he'd be the one guarding the "exports hall", which probably started right after they "retired" Ms. Casey. It also tracks that Harmony would be aware of that fact, so your theory makes sense.
1. Harmony clocking that it's weird how the board just out of nowhere would have time for her leading her to flee in terror is the sanest decision in the entire show.
2. Milkshake receiving blackface'd painings has strong "corporations celebrate pride month" vibes. A corp will be exclusionary and horrible to every minority whenever it can, but they will use imagery to pretend they aren't.
3. It feels like a major faux-pas to me that Lumon would allow Dylan to meet his outtie's actual wife. Just get an actress and you can steer it anyway you want without any danger. This might come back to bite them.
Yeah!!! I was thinking the wife was going to be a Lumon actress, but she was real?! And they didn't wipe her mind or blindfold her on the way out or anything?! Everything they do as a coldly caculated reason behind it, so why did they just let her in?! :O
ohhhh what?!? That's why she fled???? That guy was from the board????????????
@@princessthyemis The way I see it: They are in a confrontational argument. Helena offers to call the board and says they agree to meet/talk. Out of NOWHERE. At first she thinks she got everything she wanted but then it dawned that it's the Lumon board. Whatever they are, they wouldn't be available on such short notice at that time of day, and Helena wouldn't give in this quickly. It was a transparent trap, so she ran. The "chauffeur"/enforcer was just to hammer it home.
Also, Gretchen makes less and less sense to me. It takes a second of a slip-up and suddenly they'd have to kill her to avoid the message getting out. And Dylan to boot, because oDylan knows she's visiting iDylan. And the kids, probably.
Gretchen is falling in love with Dylan's innie.
If you have worked in corporate America this show is so relatable even though it's totally insane lol
true for all corporates in any country
So true
Totally. Also for US corporate divisions overseas, where I can confirm they behave exactly the same as in this show.
The incubator tube in Cobel's car is from Charlotte Cobel who many theorise is probably Harmony Cobel's mother as (in season 1) it was labelled 1944. We first saw it on Cobel's shrine to Kier that she was praying to in season 1.
When she cried, there was a hospital band near her, but I couldn't read what it saod..said... probably Charlotte Cobel.
I’m wondering if Harmony is somehow severed too but if she passed the road sign she would switch to her “outtie”
I feel like the board isnt actual people. Its just a motheboard. Like an a.i version of kier.
I feel it was super significant that Mammalian's Nurtureable were initially concerned that Mark was there to kill them.... that links the goats, and death.
I think it's more of a callback to the propaganda we saw in season 1, that Lumon used to keep the departments from interacting with each other. Same with the idea that the workers of MDR had pouches, something that was literally mentioned in season 1.
After this episode, and idk why, I feel like "the board" is a brain in a jar type of deal.
Yeah I know what you mean for sure!
Been no doubt about that since about episode 4 last season.
Ok did you want a prize or did you just need to let me know you knew first so you’d get a little kick out of one upping someone?
@@JoeMWoodward Maybe that person was just cheering on your theory. Helps to give people the benefit of the doubt sometimes.
Your comment reminded me of the brain in ninja turtles and the dolphin in the movie johnny mnemonic 😅
I think some of the goat department people are homeless outties. That’s why he’s a star gazer. And Lumen can get away with keeping them longer.
That's a good theory!
those circles on the cold harbor image at 3:12 look like the magnetic fields that we saw during the reintigration process from mark!
I felt like we got a whole seasons worth of story in one episode. It’s like we’ve treaded water for so long, suddenly story wise we’re rushed forward like a jet ski.
I feel Harmony is going for a face turn, unless this is a red herring.
right
I am suspecting the same. She seems so loyal to Kier, but her shrine indicates she is obsessed. If she feels betrayed, she might snap and decide to tear it all down.
Natalie's locked on stare with a fake smile scares me ngl 😄
It was so intense!
Best scene of the show so far tbh. SO POWERFUL when you see it as a person of color
I am glad to hear that share. Thank you!
Honestly, her fake smile used to scare me, but after this episode, I can't help but feel bad for her for some reason. It sort of feels like she's somehow tragically trapped in a position she doesn't really want to be in.
They can’t put Mrs Cobel back on the floor. Mark S. knows she was messing with his outtie. And only Mark S. can complete cold harbor.
oh wait, Innie Mark knows!? :O
@ yeah. Episode 1 iMark asked Milchick why Mrs Cobel was in Devon’s House.
yeah they are fukin with cobel so hard. she was gonna be reset and she ran
@@princessthyemis Of course he knows, Cobel was literally the first face he saw during the OTC event.
I love the Breakdown, especially since you go by characters and not scenes
Thanks!
OMG does this mean that Irving is a clone that has been re-integrated into society, hence why he remembers going down the "Exports Hall"? To me there is a reason his face is on the mug that Mark falls into during the show's opening sequence. He may be the poster child for a successful clone not only functioning but thriving in society unbeknownst...
We still haven't had reference to the board/mangers wondering how the team managed to get the key card that gained access to all of the rooms. I'd be interested to find out whether they managed to link a connection between outie and innie Mark getting it from the security. I can't believe they just skipped past it
Very strong episode.
Yeah it really was!
no ones talking about the big part with Natalie and MIchick when she called the board "it"
The theory of the “board” being an AI like consciousness of the Eagans seems to be more likely with subtle hints like that
@ for real tho
When back to hear it. I didn’t notice. Definitely interesting.
The show excels at purposefully planting super subtle hints at things that many would not catch, so I definitely would keep that in mind.
what else is she supposed to call it?
NO POUCHES!
Haha! Sometimes I feel like the show is pranking us.
Everyone ignoring the “reset” comment with Harmony.. Helene suggested a reset, then asked to speak to the board. I got the vibe harmony may not be severed but there may be something else there
The breathing tube is the same tube from her “shrine” in season 1
As someone who works in corporate this is so relatable. Cobalt and Millchick are like the middle managers of companies who are torn! They are not happy with the treatment from their employer yet they were given a higher status compared to the rest so they feel loyal and devoted even though it’s conflicting. I feel like my supervisor is in this category. She grumbles about upper management and the decisions they make but some of her actions tell me she is still somewhat in the cahoots with them probably because of her given position and compensation. It’s kind of like the abused wife who despises her abusive husband but still feel dedicated to him and will take his side even after the fact of being mistreated!
I agree that Dillon's wife is probably digging the 'inny' version and the way she kinda shrugged off talking to 'outy' dillion about the visit makes me think she's almost treating the encounter as if she were maybe considering pursuing a 'separate' relationship with the inny version. She was alomst acting like she was 'cheating' on the outy version with the inny? 😏
Top tier episode!! Thanks for the analysis!
I immediately thought Disney when they gave Milcheck the paintings 😂
I got such a kick out of the vending machine located in the Mammalians Nuturable room.
I don’t even think I would call Keir being depicted as black for Milchik’s benefit as blackface (in response to other ppl’s comments). It feels rather closer to tokenism. It feels similar to when corporations will say they are diverse and inclusive, depicting people of non-white ethnic background and culture on company documents, but are not in reality. It’s just to make a person from ‘lower levels’ (as viewed by upper management-the board) feel somewhat important (but Milchik sees through it)
Edit. Also, great summary and analysis, as always! I agree: not the strongest/most impactful, but still great episode. Being allowed to explore more the outie perspective this season has really been good
We already know the oxygen tubes had the name Charlotte Cobel on them from earlier episode
I think that fact that the goat people were dirty was important. Like they don't leave the severed floor like the other employees.
My thought exactly. At least one of them had a huge injury/bruise on their face. Unless it’s a birthmark, it’s hard for me to believe they have an outie who is going home with those kind of injuries and not quitting.
Also they seem very concerned about the goats, like they're their relatives or friends or something
I’m really interested in the fact that the head lady they spoke to wore lots of makeup though compared to pretty much everyone else in the show. Like what does her outtie think she does at work if she’s wearing makeup and a business suit?
Always the best one to analyze and really understand the show 🙌 👌
Glad you enjoy the videos man!
Wowie!!! This episode was so great.I still can’t organize everything in my brain with all we’ve learned in this episode . I listened to you both twice and will listen again. The one thing I wish I could have seen was Devon roll her eyes while Ricken goes on and on… He most def is earning his keep from Lumon. Pineapples, during colonial times used as a sign of welcome. Thank you for all you do I so enjoy your take on all the shows you do. 😊
The medical device in the back seat of Miss Selvig's car also appeared in Season one episode 8 alongside a medical bracelet that has the name Charlotte Cobel DOB 3-17-44. So my guess is it belonged to her mom. Since she'd be 78 years old. Assuming this takes place in 2024.
Has the narrator forgotten cobell’s shrine?
Yes
I love how the show represents the importance of unconsciousness and memory. Excellent seed.
If burt was in the goat room he would 100% have said 'you need more cowbell'
Cobel is looking at Charlotte Cobel breathing tube. It appears in season one. I think it was her mother's
I wonder if the gift for Milchick isn’t necessarily disconnected, but instead more terrifying. “Seeing himself” could mean that the board intends to “honor ” him by using his mind/ body as a vessel for Eagen reincarnation. A true follower might consider this a high honor, but for Milchick and Natalie, it’s a scary thought to end your own existence to allow someone else to be you
Its ironic, but Lumon is a bit like how I see Apple...😄
Truly the weirdest Severance episode so far.
Yeah it really was! So interesting though
I have a friend named Jeff who also happens to work with me. What's interesting is a work we talk about Severance and He loves the show and goes to breakdown after watching it and looks for details.....But ....But , When I see him outside of work I'll try to talk about it and he has no recollection of the show or even knows what it is..... Has my friend jeff been severed?
Yes😁
It’s a twin.
Haaa... I truthfully did this so he can see it and start to watch The Show.I hope this sparks an interest
Your company's severed floor must be pretty lax if they allow employees to watch TV shows.
You get these out quick lol great video tho!
Milchick all of a sudden feels the company might be waaay too white for him😅👀
I find it most interesting that Ben Stiller knows we are all trying to figure things out so he has this segment after each show to steer us in the general direction!
Which segment?
theres a post credits clip at the end of each episode 😊 @@stevenoviedo541
AGREED! 8:32 that whole scene was AMAZING!
Is the 'Board' even real? If so, why do we never get to see or hear them? Who (besides probably Jame and Helena) are on the Board? Why do they feel the need to be so secretive?
its AI super computer housing the past eagan's consciousnesses
Motherboard
We heard them speak once, when Harmony asked Natalie if the board was even there, and a voice in the speaker said "yes" (IIRC). It sounded like a voice of an older man, possibly Jame.
The Wife will either scheme a way to make to make innie Dylan switch with outtie Dylan;
Or, Lumon will flat out ask her if she’d like them switched.
All without outtie Dylan’s consent.
Cobel got spooked by the Limo driver.
The Limo driver looks EXACTLY like the statue of Baird Eagan (CEO #4).
Check out season 1's visit to the Perpetuity Wing.
Cobel recognized him and figured that Lumon was resurrecting the dead, and she did not trust going in there.
Woah, this is actually such a crazy theory! I need to check this out!
11:53 my theory for Irving:
He has been “exported” before which to me might mean he got a “mind” or “consciousness” reset before. Which would explain why his outie has visions of this place (an effect of being reset, phantom images/memories).
And maybe that is why we see Irving be such a HUGE Kier following in S1, almost like he was programmed to.
And the black things that his innie sees^^
He mentioned in season one that he was hired at an older age and implied that he wasn’t working there longer than Dylan, but maybe he has worked there for decades but gets reset every few years so he doesn’t remember. Just like the innies retain learned knowledge from the outside world, yet do not remember anything from their own lives, perhaps Irving retained knowledge of Kier, the manual, etc. which is why he is so much more of a follower of “kierism” than everyone else.
I would also guess that Burt is the same in that regard.
Imagine someone asking you if you birth kangaroos while at the same time they live with billygoats
😂 im done
1) Mark and Irv both know that Helena is present and not Helly. 2) The goats have something to do with the severed workers. In the intro Mark's head turns into a goat. 3) Gretchen, Dylan's wife, works for Lumon Security, she is seen coming down the stairs in what appears to be the same uniform as the people we see mark check in and out with every day. 4) Why do they need a Exports Hall when they don't make useful things, that we know of, but rather preserve and store useful things. 5) Devin and Ricken will be divided about Natalie and Lumon's request to rewrite his book, because of Mark. 6)Harmony Cobel is an illegitimate child of Jame Egan. 7) The two Marks will learn to love each others lives and relationships and when he went to see Ragabi standing in the doorway one side of his silhouette was red and the other blue. The background was blue and his shirt is red, the machine is blue and the buttons are red. Just like in the intro, the innie is in blue and the outtie is in red. 8) Milchick is going to go against Lumon in some way, it is brewing.
How the hell Mark knows it's not Helly? He would question that or wouldn't trust her (and by extension not involve her in looking for Gemma)
I agree with everything except im still on the fence on whether mark knows its helena. And im curious to know why you believe harmony is egan daughter?
It’s not Helena. All the low iq people are falling for this obvious red herring. It’s jelly.
@@xK0VIthat extended awkward moment before the goat scene between Helly and Mark. That felt like a really weird moment where Mark noticed something is very off
@@lusim13 It felt much more like Mark wanted to kiss her, but was too afraid to do so.
I think the goats have bigger brains than rats, and Lumon includes brain chips as basically neurotech. Don’t you think they would animal test new chip designs in something other than humans, to see if the new design works, if it causes integration, if it cause seizures, death, brain death, permanent severance, etc?
That’s Ms. Cobel’s mother’s breathing tube that she had in her home Kier shrine.
A lot of great stuff here, but my main takeaway is that I have been reminded of how cute I think goats are. :)
The 'breathing apparatus' was her mothers.
i have to avoid YT on thursday nights thanks to all the spolier thumbnails
The episode comes out on Thursdays 9 PM. (est)
@@yousawnothin i know, and then its a race to spoilerland.. i saw Capn Phasma was in episode before i could even turn on my TV.. its somethin new every week
Can’t wait for reintegrated mark to figure out who Helly is on the outside… also Cobels car is the one in the lake on the intro. Wonder if they’ll activate the OTC while Cobel is frantically driving away, causing her innie to lose control of the vehicle and crash into the lake/ water.
showing Gemma and Helly together in the intro makes sense now too that Mark is reintegrated. He holds memories / feelings for both of them simultaneously now.
No one mentioned Irv saying "after some time." The team was told 5 months, the actual time was a week. Also "Month? You mean Quarter?" I feel that way at work all of the time
It looks like Cobel’s car in the intro, stuck in the ice. I wonder whether they’ll pursue her and run the car off the road. Her driving is pretty wild too haha!
Very good shout!
I love the episode but i'm a little worried about where the show is going with Mark being reintegrated so soon when I was expecting they were just beginning to figure out how to pass message between outies and innies. Given the fate of Petey, I'm really worried how Mark is gonna handle the immense psychological weight of reintegration for the rest of the season and even if he'll be alive at the end of it. I sort of expect Lumen and Colbert to figure he is reintegrated and experiment on him to perfect the severance technology, ending the season on a rather bleak note.
Agreed. I thought it was too soon to reintegrate Mark.
I thought maybe have 1 episode explore how he would try to pass messages to his innie.
Oh well - we are still in for a wild ride the way it is going now.
It's clear that the board is infact some AI or form of being that is being brought to life by the severed people performing work. They are learning to resurrect people.
I think you’re right, something about the way Helena asked if the Board was available at the end of the episode made it sound more like the Board was a single person or entity rather than an actual board of directors.
Well, it certainly looks like they resurrected Baird Eagan as the Limo driver !!!
I think Cobel thinks so also - as it freaked her out enough to bail.
It's definitely not "clear", unless you have somehow watched some future episodes the rest of us haven't seen yet.
@@renx81 Do this. Google Baird Eagan for a screen capture of him, that was seen in season 1 when they visited the perpetuity wing. Then play this latest episode and pause it when the driver's face is in focus.
Compare the two.
Totally Baird Eagan.
2:25 Are you serious? You don't know what that tube is, so why would I watch any more of your analysis?
do you have any recs on who to watch?
@@baa9865 Think Story (definitely) and Hax Dogma (I think I remember as being good).
That was my first thought, a little disappointed to say the least.
@@Scottymol It's just I've seen a few too many channels do this kind of thing, got to me a bit!
@@buxycat thank you
I could be completely wrong, but it seemed like certain goats were close to a particular caretaker at the Mammalian Nurturable (ie: a white goat who stayed closeby Gwendoline). For instance, when Gwendoline rung the cowbell, all of the hidden caretakers appeared out of nowhere to backup Gwendoline; a few goats also surrounded Mark & Helena, keeping close & mimicking their caretaker. I believe that a few selected goats must have been mentally integrated with a conscious, conscience, or possibly even a subconscious connection with particular caretakers. It could mean that Lumon is or has conducted a different form of severed & unsevered experiments on those human caretakers, who are paired up with their mental connection to those goats specifically chosen best for them. This could be an extended version of Lumon's cloning & mental/mind-integration experiments. 🤔
Maybe I’m overthinking it, but I’m still confused as how Milkshake was able to do the OTC on Dylan back in season 1. We know in the manual that two people are required for the process but when the OTC was done, Graner was dead and Cobel wasn’t at the Lumon building. We don’t know of anyone else in security and it didn’t seem like there is anyone else since MDR was able to get into the security room with ease. So who helped him? What are the cards for and why do they have attack manuals on them? Was it just a plot point to reach the season’s finale?? Idk!!
Marks cold harbor progress is connected to his wife’s “build” and when he gets his innie activated on the outside, he has the same patterns as his wife’s results. I’m not sure what it means tho or if this has already been talked about.
maybe Harmony knows that driver guy, but he doesn't seem to recognize her. She thinks he's been 'reset', which unsettles and scares her.
Perhaps she recognized the driver as someone who strong armed her mother. He scared her.
The afterimage was a clever idea, I’m surprised the reintegration surgeon lady shot it down so fast.
She said the elevator would dilate marks pupil so it wouldn’t work
@@lakshd24it sounds weird to me that an afterimage that would have had to last several minutes, that a few seconds of dialation would be 100% sure to clear it, but I dunno, not an eye expert at all
@@guyinc0gnitoit shouldn't be an issue if he just kept his eyes closed
@@guyinc0gnitothen why you talk if not an expert?
Please, Helena is shocked to see her innie kissing Mark on the security camera video. She's not happy or envious. The smile is from before, when she tells Mark that joke about car coupons. Everybody is misinterpreting that scene and seeing clues and pieces of evidence everywhere like a conspiracy theory sort of thing.
im so curious about Milchick’s home life. We know Lumon usually picks employees based on current life circumstances that would make them emotionally or mentally malleable. I have a feeling he had a family but there was either some deaths or they just left him. He’s wayyy to devoted to the job on the inside and outside to have a good fam/home life.
Gretchen 1000% doesnt like outie Dylan anymore. But this may end up being the reason for outdie dylan to get jealous and try to stop Gretchen and innie dylan from interacting.
Dylan called him a loser
I think Salt’s Neck might be in Newfoundland near Salt Harbor. There’s a place there called Herrings Neck. Maybe it’s related to that.
Hellena faking being an innie is the most obvious thing in the entire show. However what i'm wondering is, how they got to a stage in technology where they can severe memories but are still driving 90s cars.
It’s going to be great that both mark and helena as both going to be faking down there lol
Haha! I’m not convinced she is faking. I think the show is leading us to question whether she is but it could go either way. Mark will find out she’s an Eagan. That’s gonna make things interesting.
@@sharon60280 I’m entirely sure she’s faking and it almost the biggest bother to me this season. So obvious to me that I am genuinely bothered that they didn’t just reveal it. In the first season, we knew what they knew and now knowing that she’s not Helly, I like this song, while also not being confirmed, it is kind of uncomfortable for me.
I think the 70s thru 90s cars exist because the show is in it’s own “land/world” that is separated from the rest of the world. No imported goods, so they use older items - except for Helena’s cell phone. It’s up to date!
@@sarahrkuhl You should try keeping an open mind, perhaps things would be less uncomfortable for you.
Maybe the mammals being nurtured aren't the goats--its the people. What if their 'outies' are homeless etc, and the interaction with the goats is a form of therapy?
3:21 Harmony didn't say she wasn't born into the position, she said "Everything I accomplished, I earned… through dedication and industry, not because I was born into it." Everyone is severed , living in an experiement and the Kier organization are trying to engineer their way out. Mark and Gemma the lead experiments. This episode reveals that Mark and his sister Devon are in a communion of which Devon's husband Ricken is not part.
How to did Irving learn about the door in the first place? I wonder whether Burt told Irving’s ‘outie’, as Felicia said they used to go down to exports and Burt may have been there through his role as head of O&D.
I also wonder whether Irving himself used to work for O&D but got too close to learning the truth (his ‘outie’ having been investigating) and had to be wiped of his memories and relocated to a new department.
You didn’t mention on why Cobel walked away when she saw Helena’s bodyguard. I suspect it could be Gemma’s dad?
Huh
The Limo driver looks EXACTLY like the statue of Baird Eagan (CEO #4).
Check out season 1's visit to the Perpetuity Wing.
Cobel recognized him and figured that Lumon was resurrecting the dead.
Harmony looked terrified seeing that man behind Helana
Yeah she really did!
Ohhh Irving has been reintegrated!!! That's why he was seeing the black goo in S1.
Irv?
you mean Irving? Yes I agree that's a good theory
I think that has something to do with sleep. Irvs outie stays up late painiting, his innie was seen falling asleep at work and was punished for it. Plus he saw the black paint but didnt know the meaning. Maybe falling asleep as innie unlocks memories/dreams of outie. Which is why he was punished for it
@jharun461 yes!
No he’s not. Did you miss all of season one??
I think Cobel stopped because she thought Helena would kill her in the building.
Harmony was afraid that she'd end up as the new wellness counselor.
Nobody wants that!
Best episode of Season 2, so far.
It was a solid one for sure!
As weird as it may sound, I don’t think it’s Helena who’s going to work. There’s some things about Helly that seems sus, but I feel like it being her outie it’s predictable and the writers would come up with something better. At this point, I’m leaning towards it just being iHelly, who for some reason is acting sus after what she saw up there, or Helena has reintegrated. I hadn’t considered this, but after Mark did in this episode, it could make sense. Helena reintegrating seems strange, because her innie and her outie have very different goals, but perhaps it’s some sort of “official” reintegration that Lumon can do, so in a way she is both Helly and Helena. Would explain the sus things, and also what she says to mark on episode 1 about not owing anything to their outies. Idk. I just don’t think it’s so clear cut it’s Helena going to MDR
I agree that it's definitely not clear cut, and frankly, it irks me when people speak with absolute certainty whichever way they lean. The question is deliberately left open, and I have a feeling that they have a good reason for keeping it this way for as long as they have. Future episodes will tell.
Lumen is so evil. They are manipulating innie Dylan for their purposes. Exposing innie Dylan to elements of his outie life such as his wife is obviously going to cause turmoil for both versions of Dylan. I believe their intention is to have his wife convince outie Dylan and Lumen to just do away with outie Dylan because je is the more productive and productive version of himself.
I think harmony can't over see the department because Helly wants Mark and Harmony would stop that .
Milchick is doesn't seem to care
yeah irv's easily my favorite character
Yeah same!
THAT AUTHOR IS DEFINITELY AN EAGAN
Mark's brother in law?
mark might be eagan too
Anyone else get Being John malkovich vibes
Between the goat door and Natalie possibly being run physically by the Board
@brainpilot the breathing tube was also seen in s1 with the kier shrine
I wonder if the "board" means "board of directors" as we understand it or whether it is an AI overload that manifests itself in Natalie (ie, the "motherboard") to monitor middle management,.
11 perfect episodes but lost me with the goat nonsense.. Still a good episode but not 12 perfect episodes.
I feel like the goats will have some importance with the wider story though
@@BrainPilot Reminded me of Lost type random bs
I think it would be about mark before the events of s1
I think Harmony was afraid she would glbe taken to the export floor.