Yep, and Preston Jacobs, the last harpy, Bridge4 and so on and so on. Hopefully HBO will do what they're doing to justice league and flesh it out and re tell the last 2 season.
@@hypatiakovalevskayasklodow9195 If by subverting expectations, they mean throwing out all foreshadowing and prophecy to make something happen that fulfills none of it (not even fulfilling it in a unexpected way), then yes.
they should've watched any theory videos instead of doing what they did. But writers are too high and mighty and hate theory videos even if people's theories have more thought to the narrative, characters, themes, structure, development than the actual "professionals"
good job Night King foiled by a little girl who was literally screaming during her sneak attack and then stabbed because you have such slow shitty reactions, honestly can he do anything besides follow things with his eyes and walk at a snails pace?
Jons Resurrection and the confirmation of his identity would be a very cool redemption for lady Stonehearts arch .... learning that Ned never cheated on her could redeem her character and she could rest in peace at last
What she needs for that is to find out that at least one of her children are alive. I think that Arya and her wolf's wolf pack will defeat the Brothers after learning that Sansa is alive, and make peace with her mother before killing her.
@@alexcoffey8804 This sounds very cool, but unlikely given where Lady Stoneheart is at this point in the story, which is the Riverlands. George R. R. Martin also doesn't seem to use the teleportation tactic (unlike D&D), since going from the Riverlands to the Wall would take a lot of time (it's across half of the continent, exluding beyond the Wall). I believe it is said in the show that it took a month to get from King's Landing to Winterfell. The Wall is even further than that, factoring in the fact that her journey would not be smooth as for the characters in the first season, when there was essentially peace everywhere, I guess that it would take her 2 months to get there. Also that's considering she leaves the Riverlands at once, which I also doubt, since she has some unfinished business in the Riverlands. You might argue that she doesn't need to travel to the Wall for this to work, but I do think that a moment loses a lot of it's impact when it happens so indirectly ig. It would feel cheap, because Lady Catelyn would not even know who is she giving the life to. Also, as much as it is set up that Catelyn hates Jon Snow for who he is, it doesn't really make sense for her to meddle in Jon's storyline, because she has no connection to the Long Night, white walkers and the prophecies regarding this plotline. I'm not even sure if Lady Stoneheart will ever meet Jon again. In the show, the Brotherhood does travel to the Wall, but I'm still sceptical about Stoneheart going there. Characters like Thoros of Myr have some ties to the white walker plotline via the Lord of Light, but Stoneheart's only interaction with the Lord of Light is via her resurrection, and prove me if I'm wrong, but I don't remember her talking about the Lord of Light, white walkers etc. ever in the books. So in summary, a great idea but unlikely given the circumstances of the books.
Jack R This is so true, he gets the absolute spot-on quotes from each book and arranges them visually so we can see both sides of the theories. Alt Shift X has a brain as sharp as a jacknife.
Alt Shift X "I’d like to remind them that as a well-read GoT fanboy, I can be helpful in rounding up others to toil in their ever-growing army of the dead.”
Hi dear.Azor Ahai and Jon snow connection is completely different from beric resurrection.To undersyand more abt the connection you need to know the history of Azor Ahai.Azor existed thousands of years back and played a crucial role in saving the world.Now if you need to exactly know why jon snow and azor are being talked in the same breadth you need to get spoiled somewhat which I think should not be a problem if u have seen the show.Let me know!
I get that there is a connection and I also think that Jon is Azor Ahai, or part of him (possibly one of the 3). What I'm not clear on is why people say king's blood is needed when there are have been multiple resurrections without it. Just seems to me that the people who say this are reaching and making assumptions.
@@okaymckay It really wouldnt be fair to compare the two. One is a sci-fi epic, the other is an intense fantasy with political discourse. They're trying to do different things.
Honestly in retrospect, it shouldve been 1. John is resurrected by the lord of light because he the real Azor Ahai, and thats because 2. He is the only person left in Westeros who a. Has a legitimate claim to the throne and b. Would actually be accepted as king by the North, re-uniting the 7 kingdoms and thus being able to field a united Westerosi Army against the Night King. That would've made the most sense. So much wasted potential.
Awesome breakdown of the theory! I'd like to add that.... Shireen's dreams of being "eaten by a dragon" support the theory of her being sacrificed to bring Jon back (which would also be a helluva better reason than the TV show gave). Also, I don't know if you mentioned this, but "wake dragons from stone"= "wake Targaryens from the greyscale carrier"? :)
+raging flame I did. Because of the visions. It made it look like he was some prophecied kid or something. Since he is just a kid, he won't really have any political influence. He won't be a warrior. Why would he seek out a god-like figure beyond the wall? I think he will be the big hero of this story tbh. I think bran wasn't in season 5 because his destiny would be a far greater one, to great to reveal it just yet. I think he will be the one to defeat the White walkers, by utilizing his powers. When Jon snow stated that even after having joined forces with the Wildlings, chance of victory would not be certain. After the huge massacre, you can imagine that this chance significantly decreased. That's where bran comes in. I think.
I think Hodor is actually a Clegane but was abused at a young age by the two brothers. Hence the speech impediment and moments of distress. Also explains his large size, the brothers never mention him because they assume he died during a beating. *places foil hat on head*
Fucking hell! I watch other GoT videos but Jesus yours far surpass anything else out there. Thank you for spending so much time on them, they're awesome.
I would really be interested in a video explaining the significance of Jon, Bran, and Arya being worgs, since it seems to be so rare a thing to be. But two siblings and a cousin? Yeah. Great videos so far--thanks for that!
+SportsSpeak73 that would make sense. Rickon's warging is never noted because he was so young that his warging was more symbiotic and Shaggydog just acted impulsively like a 6 year old.
So Jon's last word in the book is Ghost, and he's definitely going to warg into Ghost upon death. Jon's last word in the show is Olly. Jon wargs into Olly confirmed?
All the greatest heroes have to die in some way in order to become the best version of themselves: Gandalf, Harry Potter, Aslan, Jesus, Odin, Osiris, the Greek heroes having to pass through the underworld. I think Jon will become the most important character following this rite of passage or "katabasis".
These videos are amazing. Not only do you succinctly make your points with great visual aids but you back your shit up with citations. Not only that but your ideas about how things can go are just... good. I hope most of these theories come true.
How has nobody pointed out that Melisandre burns Shireen "to clear the snow" - clear the Snow perhaps? I say R'hllor intended for her to burn Shireen in order for the fire to melt the Snow. leaving Jon Targaryen. I say she doesn't actively resurrect Jon, as we have no indication that Melisandre is aware of the ability to resurrect people. Instead I think they will burn Jon on a funeral pyre, and he will then rise from the flames (akin to Daenerys in S01E10), even to Melisandre surprise. I both hope and predict this.
The show really did a bad job setting up For the Watch, no pink letter, no real motivation, Thorne should of just kept the gate shut if he planned on killing him, that way the wildlings stay north of the wall. D&D's logic sometimes is quite baffling I'm also going to laugh when Jon is Azor Ahai and all the Dany fanboys cry into their pillows
I've never understood this kind of criticism. D&D have to winnow down hundreds and hundreds of pages to adapt the books for just ten hours of airtime each season. Given that's the case, subplots and minor characters are going to have to be simplified and/or completely expunged. For example, if what's laid out in the video proves to be true, it'll be a great way to connect several disparate elements *in the books*, but in the show it's all just too circuitous. People are already complaining that D&D do not spend enough time on the plot points they *can* include. Simplifying everything like they have (again, if what the video suggests is indeed what unfolds) will boil it all down to its basic elements and will end up in the same place (and I subscribe to the theory that when GRRM outlined for D&D where the books will ultimately go, he indeed gave them all of the remaining major plot points and they know what they're doing).
Court Montgomery so you seriously believe that For the Watch was logical on the show? All they had to do was have a version of the pink letter to provoke Jon to march south, by doing that his vows are broken and then the NW has the motivation to do it. If their only motivation was the wildlings, why didn't Thorne open the gate if the intention was to kill him? If that was the case does it not make more logical sense for Thorne just to keep the gate shut AND keep the wildlings north of the wall? I mean I'm not going to argue with you if you think it was good, to each is own i suppose.
I got a crackpot theory. What if "A song of ice and fire" is an actual song, written by Rhaegar to Lyanna expressing his love for her and their child she carries. If this document where ever discovered, it could be one link to revealing R+L=J.
+Alt Shift X I didn't hear a denial... Plus for the third part of your theory could it be possible that due to the extreme power of John's transference to Ghost that he is able to directly interact with Bran to the point of having a verbal conversation?
Could you make a video and explore the possibility of an Ice Dragon beyond the wall. As you said Mellisandra said that her magic was stronger at the wall and it is known that dragons amplify magical powers so could an ice dragon be beyond the wall? Possibly with the white walkers.
suemeejim715 The wall is next to the shivering sea, this is where In the latest book of A world of song of ice the ice dragons are stated to have lived around. good point though.
In "The Ice Dragon", GRRM states that ice dragons are larger and more powerful than fire breathing dragons. Whatever they touch instantly freezes and never thaws. I like the idea of ice dragons lining up, and the air freezes around them, forming into a 700 ft tall Wall of ice. GRRM already said that there is magic keeping the wall standing. Either way, it's going to come down in book 6. What better way to bring it down then by watching ice dragons burst out from inside.
OMG what if... The wall was this huge back and torsal of a huge ice dragon ;o And suddenly it awakens and he stands up from his sleep, destroying the wall (because he's the wall) and *crazy thoughts*
suemeejim715 A theory I like suggests there's an Ice dragon trapped in the wall. It IS the magic keeping it standing and it is the reason it seems as though it breathes and lives (the wall). As stated by Jon or Sam can't remember who. It would explain a lot. And seeing as these magical horns control dragons and the Horn of Johramun (however it's spelled) is said to bring down the wall. May be what wakes the dragon from its slumber and brings the wall down. Also the fact that Melissanda's magic is stranger at the wall may hint that there is a dragon in the wall, as dragons amplify magic exponentially. :) but It's only a theory.
This was my first ever Alt shift X video. I was just a casual tv viewer of the show. After Jons death in S05 I delved in everthing GoT related, and even though I did not read the book, I became an ubber fan of ghe show. And stumbled on this gem. And since then watched every vid.
Actually, in both books and show there is another potential alternative to the use of king's blood to resurrect Jon: Melisandre herself. If you believe the theory that Bloodraven + Shiera Seastar = Melony/Melisandre, then Mel DEFINITELY has kingsblood. Moreover, that would also tie into the "bleeding star" portion of the Azor Ahai prophecy, especially if her surname is Seastar like her mother. Melisandre is the Red Star. Also, do you think "Jon" is even his real birth name? GRRM has said that "Jon" is the name Ned gave him. I heard a cool theory on Radio Westeros that his real name is Aemon Targaryen.
Sofia Alarcon Wow, that's actually interesting. Who could tell Jon his real name though? And is Jon like an acronym for his real name? So much cliffhangers, a man needs S06 and/or The Winds of Winter!
***** There's no direct evidence for what Jon's real name is, but we can speculate on it based on what could possibly be literary references and symbolism here and there. I would go into it here, but I don't think I could explain it half as well as Radio Westeros did. So I recommend you go to their site and check out their episode on Jon Snow, as well as their other episodes, because they are awesome. As for why Ned chose the name "Jon", it's likely that he named him after Jon Arryn. It could have symbolic meaning to him. This is from Reddit: "Ned's relationship to Arryn parallels the relationship he feels with Snow. Jon Arryn raised Ned like a son even though he was not. Furthermore, when the king (Aerys) called for Ned's head, Lord Arryn raised his banners in rebellion and defied the king to save him. No doubt Ned is defying Robert by hiding the Targaryen's claim to the throne."
Great video. I just paused it at 10:13 to say that I've been watching every, "Jon Snow will return," video I can find, and this one is already the best. I have been thinking that Jon must learn of his parentage before or at the very moment of his resurrection, because having him come back to life as plain old Jon Snow, and allowing *any* time to go by before revealing his parentage, would be devastatingly anticlimactic. He must be Jon Targaryen, at the moment he opens his eyes. Even having him learn who his parents are, later in the same episode in which he's brought back, would be clunky, unbelievable and just kind of stupid lol.
Not only was he right about the stuff that has already happened, but I also think he is right about other parts of the video that haven't even happened yet on the show. For example, just like he said in this video, I have always been convinced that at the end, Jon is going to plunge his sword into Melisandre and it will create Lightbringer. After all, she already confirmed in her last scene that she "has to die in this strange place" or something like that when she spoke with Varys. My guess is she knows that she must sacrifice herself to him. Not to mention, when Jon found out about Shireen's death, he told Mel to leave and if he sees her again then he will kill her. That seems to be foreshadowing...
I'm rereading the series and have noticed that on more than one occasion it seems like Commander Mormont's bird says "king" while looking at Jon or when Jon walks into a room.
I like somewhat not knowing what will happen until it happens, but theorizing is so much fun. This is the most intelligent interpretation and educated guess about what will happen that I have listened to so far. Will be interesting to see how it plays out compared to these ideas.
Rift31 yeah he's going up north now, it doesn't make any sense considering the hound barley changed at all, so fighting for the faith would be pointless.
+vinay koti It was predictable, but there was no winning this as it would perhaps been more upsetting if he didn't come back, but I do wish Melisandres ritual wasn't so underwhelming.
I really want Jon will be the Azor Ahai of GOT , but damn .. i have see so much theory about that , if is not true i well be very sad :(. GIVE ME BACK JON FKING SNOW PLS RR .
As De Pique Indeed. This video and other people connecting the dots have filled me with hope of seeing Jon Snow return.... if he doesn't it'll be a huge let down, and confuse me because the dots have already been connected in a logical way.
Teal'c Nah, i've read from this theory on reddit after the last book was released 2012. its just annoying that the mainstream now floods the internet with tinfoil theories with no backup and think that GRRM books are so predictable.
Krydda Uhh,.."with no back up".... LOL, whats your definition of back up?. .....I'd say the "back up" this youtube vid has is quotes from the books and show which points the story in this direction. And no, I've never gotten the impression from anyone that thinks GRRM's stories are predictable. No one is simply saying he will rise from the dead... they are pointing out context clues to show you one possible direction this story might be heading towards. They asked a question, did background research and constructed a hypothesis from the information gathered. ..... All they're saying is he still is a candidate for Azor ahai based on current information.
You are not as peppy as the other youtube reviewers, or as "exciting", but you are MASTERFUL. Your insights are almost scientific due to the way you present evidence and several levesl above the competition. Wish I had found you a LOT earlier. Thank you for your work.
Wait, has Thoros ever had to "pay" for resurrecting Beric Dondarrion? If I remember correctly, all he's ever done was use the prayer and he's been able to resurrect Dondarrion a bunch of times.
***** I think it did take a lot out of Thoros to do that. In Mel's chapter we see how much of a toll her magic is taking on her but she does her best to hide it.
Docktor Jim No it says Toon Boom Studio 8.1 The "Created using" isn't actually what he uses to edit. He says in the description he uses Toon Boom Studio 8.1
In the show, could it be that the burning of Shireen was actually to clear the way back to Castle Black for Melisandre ? Also, I think Theon will be the sacrifice to bring Jon back, he has king's blood since Balon is king of the Iron Islands and it could serve as atonement for his betrayal of the Starks.
Giglioti I'm all for the Theon theory. There is no way Shireen is the sacrifice that brings Jon back. I don't see the Lord of Light accepting the blood of an innocent unless they volunteer themselves for that sacrifice. The point is made when Stannis loses everything for doing it.
Alt Shift X (2:43): "Surely you don't have an awesome stand off like this only to not have a payoff later on." D&D: "If you think this has a happy ending, you haven't been paying attention."
And technically if R+L=J is true, he would have a stronger claim than Dany. As him being born of the first son of a Targaryen ruler his living lineage would have claim before Dany.
My only problem with Shireen getting burned for Jon's resurrection (and I'm speaking of the books, here, since we've passed this in the show) is that Thoros is able to bring Beric back time and again without a sacrifice.
The last kiss doesn't necessarily work because it brings back only a part of your soul back, we know that being a wight is not the best second life you can have (the Army of The Dead, Beric and Lady Stoneheart are there to proof) so Mel might use something more potent to fully ressurect Jon's body A.K.A King's Blood via Shireen and possibly Theon if Stannis execute him!
@@PedroLucas-mg5je Maybe so, but I've wondered if something might be different with Jon's resurrection since he can warg - if his essence goes into his wolf, and she brings his body back, would his full essence just return?
@@cruddddddddddddddd Maybe his essence would be more wolfish and can have some sort of the sixth sense that the direwolves had, like sensing if a person is trustworthy or not (like how Grey Wind and Lady Felt that the Freys and Joffrey weren't trustworthy) and his post-resurrection appearance could be similar to Ghost, white hair and red eyes!
I may be completely wrong but in the first season when Bran is in a coma, Isn't he brought back when Ned kills Sansa's Dire wolf? Again I haven't watched the season for a while but i'm sure i remember that happening...
+JammieDavz | Fifa Skiller It seems simpler to suggest that Bran was just awoken when it died since Bran has a deeper connection to the wolves because of his warging.
After rewatching this video it made me realize that its strange that mel was able to resurrect john in the snow no problem. In every other example in the show and book obvi theres always a price to magic, its blood magic. I think in the book its going to be much more sacrificial and bittersweet when jon comes back
snowflake jesus or bust! the evidence you cite to support your theories peppered with the right amount of humor over your cinnamon-frappe smooth voice.. nothin but love alt shift x!! your videos are truly unrivaled. keep holdin it down and keepin the hope alive for us :)
+natalie ruegger Jesus is real and is a kind person he helps and did miracles he is a loving indivaul and is divine u are a messed up sicko mocking him like that learn your stuff
Nikunj Majithia if you follow jesus you'd know he asks you to be Christ-like in your own actions and i don't think that involves calling me a sicko or putting others down in general, maybe YOU should learn your stuff bud. i've got a great relationship with God & i don't think i could get along with anyone who didn't have a badass sense of humor.
My Theory for the books, (since show fucked this up.) Stannis defeats the Boltons and claims Winterfell. After he hears of Jon's death he declares him a true Stark (like he had offered Jon before) and has his body brought to Winterfell to lay in the Crypts with the other Starks. Meanwhile he has Theon captured at Winterfell, somehow Lady Stoneheart hears of this and heads to Winterfell to kill him ( she thinks he killed Bran and Rickon) She will be well accepted there due to melisandre, since she rides with the red priest. There Stannis will let her execute Theon since he planned on doing it anyway (Whether she kills Theon or doesn't effect the main theory), and she will discover Jon is dead. In an ironic twist she will give Jon the kiss of life, trading her life for the boy she despised and hated.
I think R+L=J is a correct theory. It makes so much sense in regards to some of the plot holes that have bothered me. It seems to me that Jon's story is far from over even if he did die in ADWD... we will hear more about him thats for sure
love_otter Those aren't requirements, those were just things the original Azor Ahai did to bring about Lightbringer that didn't work. I don't think they're necessities to the prophecy.
in an interview George said : "there people have already guessed the secret that i'm gonna reveal in books 6 and book 2 is just out" Now tell me he's not talking about R+L=J
Sam - "He always returns"..also we still have to see Jon's and Ned's talk about Jon's mother..maybe Jon will warg(dream) something about Ned,but it will be reality..also it's said that Robb become direwolf in the night..well it's not Robb,it's Jon who will become direwolf in the Night..
A major clue contributing to a likely return of Jon would be that he's Robb's heir; Robb's will named Jon Snow as his successor, legitimising him and entitling him to the Stark name and position as head of the family, and Lord of Winterfell. As mentioned more than once in A Knight of the Seven Kingdoms, a legitimised bastard typically reverses the colours of their banner, as seen in the context of the Blackfrye rebellion. The Stark banner is a grey wolf on a white background - if we reverse this, we're left with...A White Wolf on a grey banner. That sounds like quite a subtle, but important clue that GRRM might have included in the texts. If we take this into account, together with the prophecies and Melisandre's visions in the flames (man to wolf to man again, warging to avoid death before taking back a revived body?), and the voiding of the Watch's vows (since he technically died), we're left with a Jon Stark who is able to march under a banner of a White Wolf. That's just too good to be a coincidence...
Well Ned Stark kinda promised Jon when they meet again he will reveal who is Jon’s mother. So maybe Bran will send him a vision of “promise me Ned” and Ned will finally be able to tell him.
If George R.R. Martin doesn't resurrect Jon Snow in the upcoming books and in turn the show, then he's a complete fool. In my opinion Jon Snow has more of the end game story on his shoulders than anyone else at this point. Everyone including Daenerys, seem to be more worried about ruling the world,birthrights and lust for power while Jon Snow is on the front lines of the War for the Dawn which is the true threat. He's just too important a character to kill off at this point. If George kills off Jon Snow who seems to be the only symbol of selflessness, honor and justice left then whats the point of reading the rest of the story? Imho, Daenerys and Jon Snow are the two pillars holding the story up and if one falls the whole thing crumbles. Show me one character who can replace Jon Snow that anyone would be happy with, I don't think there will be many recommendations if any. The R+L=J theory has to come into play. I think if he learns hes a Targaryen, a legit Targaryen and not a River then he will seek out Daenerys not only because shes his sister but also because hes going to want to get as many people possible ready for the White Walker invasion and he would be in a perfect position to bring the Wildlings to her side. That's a good chunk of people to get the ball rolling towards end game. If Jon Snow is resurrected I hope its done by Thoros of Myr and not Melisandre because she sucks and Thoros seemed like a much cooler character. Maybe Lady Stoneheart sends Thoros after hearing of Jon's death or maybe Melisandre sends for Thoros personally considering he brought Beric back to life 6 times. There's so many possible resurrection scenarios for Snow, but more than likely it will involve a red priest or priestess. Whatever happens Jon Snow has to comeback otherwise the story wont be the same and not in a good way. Sorry for the rant.
+ChillinCT Don't be disappointed if he doesn't come back in Season 6 though. I'd prefer they bring him back then but he's not been casted. Of course they could be lying. Either way we'll definitely have our lovely Jon back by season 7.
Also, Jon’s wound was smoking when he was stabbed, and Marsh was crying. If Jon is Rheagers son, then it fits. Marsh tears=Salt. Smoke=smoking wound. Kings blood=Jon’s wound.
the ways R=L=J can be revealed. Howland Reed, Brandon Stark visions, Ashara Dayne through Ned Stark, Jojen and Myra Reed through Howland Reed, or any person Rhaegar Targaryan told about his son to be prior to his death at the trident. Shall we remember that in fiction and character can reveal anything at any time based on good writing :)
"When the sun rises in the west and sets in the east," said Mirri Maz Duur. "When the seas go dry and mountains blow in the wind like leaves. When your womb quickens again, and you bear a living child. Then he will return, and not before." I would love to see a video on this, I'm begging you! Your videos are so in-depth and clear- best fan theory videos on TH-cam. :) My two-cent theories below. I haven't actually read any forums on it, but I reckon there are a few options and I'm interested to see what you have to say on it! You always analyse so in depth and have great evidence- I love your videos! My theories are: 1. Dorne (in rebellion about Myrcella's claim to the throne) openly rebels and somehow moves East, perhaps in support of Daenerys, since they love female power- yeah. 2. The 'sun's son' = Quentyn Martell wishes Daenerys' hand in marriage. Rises from Westeros and moves East to ask for Danaerys' hand in marriage. Also supported by 'the sun's son' quote (unfortunately can't track down except that it's in DoD) 3. Tyrion encourages Young Griff (the secret Targaryen prince) in DoD to raise his banners in Dorne to impress Daenerys to get her hand in marriage. In this case it's both the 'son' - The Maegi spoke the words and thus there could be Dany's misinterpretation- and the 'sun' of Dorne (also, Dorne = Dawn... relevant?) Concerning the seas turning to dust, it seems most likely these are the Dothraki seas (perhaps roasted by dragons or trampled by a loyal khalasar of freed men and Dothraki returning to Dany) and the mountains blowing like leaves in the wind (thought it might have been a sigil waving on banners... but couldn't find a prominent family with a mountain sigil), I'm not sure. But I'm positive that Dany will bear a living child. But I feel like it's significant, since the quote is repeated several times through the books. Why be cryptic and bother repeating if all it means is: 'yeah Dany, you're infertile, but I'm poetic so I'll say it in an annoying way'? I would love to see an analysis of this!
Oh no, the idea that Jon might be within Ghost, observing everything Melisandre does to try and bring him back, and ends up watching Shireen burn through Ghost's eyes as the last thing he sees before his resurrection sounds like it would be one hell of a trauma. I can just imagine they've chained Ghost up or something, and throughout the entire ritual Ghost is struggling against the chains, whining, trying to reach the pyre to save the little girl.
"Ned gets beheaded, Robb gets Red Wedded"
Fantastic.
George Lucas: IT'S LIKE POETRY IT RHYMES!
@@The_Gerry_Man They shot Jon's head in, then he was deadin', now he's a Robocop!
Cat gets throat-bleded
John gets stabbed
Ned a beheading, Robb a red wedding...
Alt X five years ago: The next book is going to be a hell of a read”
2021: the next book is going to be be a hell of a read”
@@southnoon5808 September 2022 Ep 3 house of dragon has recently come out: this book is gonna be one hell of a read
The road to the next book is hell.
@@Jermrants bruh season has almost ended an it will still be a hell of a read
2023 and counting
2023: The next book is gonna be a hell of a read
"Surely we don't have an awesome stand-off like this without a pay-off later on"
PAINFUL
Lol
Hindsight is a bitch.
@@witty_comeback o9 o
Hmm clueless
Maybe D&D should've watched Alt Shift X videos before writing the scenario for season 8 episode 3...
bUt SuBvErTiNg ExPeCtAtIoNs
Yep, and Preston Jacobs, the last harpy, Bridge4 and so on and so on. Hopefully HBO will do what they're doing to justice league and flesh it out and re tell the last 2 season.
@@hypatiakovalevskayasklodow9195 If by subverting expectations, they mean throwing out all foreshadowing and prophecy to make something happen that fulfills none of it (not even fulfilling it in a unexpected way), then yes.
@@thewerdna I highly doubt there was much thought involved there
they should've watched any theory videos instead of doing what they did. But writers are too high and mighty and hate theory videos even if people's theories have more thought to the narrative, characters, themes, structure, development than the actual "professionals"
It has been 10 years, and Jon Snow is still lying dead on the blood-stained snow.
fr cant believe D&D did this to us
@@derrickmiles2153 he means the end of a dance with dragons (the last published book)
It’s sad that your commentary is already one year old, and we don’t have the book yet.
I recently started watching. Currently on Book 3. Your post made me sad lol.
*They kind of forgot about Jon's body.*
"Surely you don't have a standoff like this and not have it pay off later on"
Season 8 ; It doesn't pay off.
OOF
R.I.P.
True. They didn't just miss they destroyed so many great opportunities.
You typed it before I could...by about 5 months.
D&D: “Nailed it!!!”
2:43 yea no pay off, arya teleports and 1 taps the night king.
I know it was so fucking stupid. So unfortunate.
I call hax
good job Night King foiled by a little girl who was literally screaming during her sneak attack and then stabbed because you have such slow shitty reactions, honestly can he do anything besides follow things with his eyes and walk at a snails pace?
Jons Resurrection and the confirmation of his identity would be a very cool redemption for lady Stonehearts arch .... learning that Ned never cheated on her could redeem her character and she could rest in peace at last
What she needs for that is to find out that at least one of her children are alive.
I think that Arya and her wolf's wolf pack will defeat the Brothers after learning that Sansa is alive, and make peace with her mother before killing her.
I think she'll give her life to resurrect him the same way Beric gave his to save her's.
It'd be Cat's ultimate redemption.
@@alexcoffey8804 This sounds very cool, but unlikely given where Lady Stoneheart is at this point in the story, which is the Riverlands. George R. R. Martin also doesn't seem to use the teleportation tactic (unlike D&D), since going from the Riverlands to the Wall would take a lot of time (it's across half of the continent, exluding beyond the Wall). I believe it is said in the show that it took a month to get from King's Landing to Winterfell. The Wall is even further than that, factoring in the fact that her journey would not be smooth as for the characters in the first season, when there was essentially peace everywhere, I guess that it would take her 2 months to get there. Also that's considering she leaves the Riverlands at once, which I also doubt, since she has some unfinished business in the Riverlands. You might argue that she doesn't need to travel to the Wall for this to work, but I do think that a moment loses a lot of it's impact when it happens so indirectly ig. It would feel cheap, because Lady Catelyn would not even know who is she giving the life to. Also, as much as it is set up that Catelyn hates Jon Snow for who he is, it doesn't really make sense for her to meddle in Jon's storyline, because she has no connection to the Long Night, white walkers and the prophecies regarding this plotline. I'm not even sure if Lady Stoneheart will ever meet Jon again. In the show, the Brotherhood does travel to the Wall, but I'm still sceptical about Stoneheart going there. Characters like Thoros of Myr have some ties to the white walker plotline via the Lord of Light, but Stoneheart's only interaction with the Lord of Light is via her resurrection, and prove me if I'm wrong, but I don't remember her talking about the Lord of Light, white walkers etc. ever in the books.
So in summary, a great idea but unlikely given the circumstances of the books.
"Surely you don't have an awesome standoff life this without payoff" That's exactly what happened, :(
I have to respect how well you back your theories with evidence from the text, must take alot of research to locate alot of vague hints.
EvilSCIENTIST this is why i salute this guy
EvilSCIENTIST So much theories and everything could be false. Only GRRM knows.
Krydda Why are you even here?
A lot*
EvilSCIENTIST Hypothesis pr perhaps speculation.
Theory means what has been established and considered to be true with supporting evidence.
Your GoT theory videos are unrivaled man, you've literally confirmed his return in my head.
Jack R This is not new, and certainly not his theory. But he makes EXCELLENT videos. The dude is awesome can't wait for his next vid
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I never said it was new or his theory dude.
Jack R This is so true, he gets the absolute spot-on quotes from each book and arranges them visually so we can see both sides of the theories. Alt Shift X has a brain as sharp as a jacknife.
*****
Yeah man he also produces very good videos.
+Jack R r+l=j cunfirmd
2:43 "Surely you don't have an awesome standoff like this without a payoff later on". Aaaaaaaaaaand season 8 ep 3 happened.. sigh..
I, for one, welcome our ice demon overlords.
+Abbie Sadler Someone got the reference (:
Alt Shift X "I’d like to remind them that as a well-read GoT fanboy, I can be helpful in rounding up others to toil in their ever-growing army of the dead.”
Abbie Sadler One of my favorite comedies mixed with one of my favorite dramas.
Alt Shift X Do the Maester Conspiracy and the Weirwood Conspiracy! Please!
Abbie Sadler I'd only do so if they helped me become a lich. ; )
But wait. All the six times Thyros resurrected Beric, there was no king's blood. Why would it be necessary for Melisandre to have king's blood?
+Ahntara123 Kings Blood is necessary for environmental impacts. But the subject of a resurrection doesn't necessarily need to have King's Blood.
+Ahntara123 Fulfillment of Azor Ahai prophecy!
Hi dear.Azor Ahai and Jon snow connection is completely different from beric resurrection.To undersyand more abt the connection you need to know the history of Azor Ahai.Azor existed thousands of years back and played a crucial role in saving the world.Now if you need to exactly know why jon snow and azor are being talked in the same breadth you need to get spoiled somewhat which I think should not be a problem if u have seen the show.Let me know!
I get that there is a connection and I also think that Jon is Azor Ahai, or part of him (possibly one of the 3). What I'm not clear on is why people say king's blood is needed when there are have been multiple resurrections without it. Just seems to me that the people who say this are reaching and making assumptions.
I think the other guy was lying down over him, so it wasn't Jon the zombies were eating. I think he'll survive by hiding under a dumpster.
Ha! not funny!
HAHAHAHA TWD REFERENCE
Hehe I get that.
YAAAAAS. My two loves.
+Adamatronamus Yeah Ser Barristan Fall on top of him at the last second.
"I've been worrying about Jon for years, he always comes back" - Samuel Tarly
SealStorm193 *Samwell
Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in
In the show, Jon's last word was "olly". So I'm 103% sure that he's going to warg into Olly.
"surely you don't have an awesome standoff like this without a payoff later on". Well about that...
"Jon always comes back" - Samwell Tarly
I always thought Star Wars and StarTrek freaks were weird. Yet here I am watching theoretical Game of Thrones videos. Now I am one of those freaks.
+spm429 geek would be the correct choice of word
+Chen Liu "Geek". My apologies. I'm new to this world.
bro, nothing to be ashamed of, besides, got is so much better than star wars
They both have strong points.That being said I never bought a replica lightsaber, but I did get a friend the Jaime Lannister sword.
@@okaymckay It really wouldnt be fair to compare the two. One is a sci-fi epic, the other is an intense fantasy with political discourse. They're trying to do different things.
Honestly in retrospect, it shouldve been 1. John is resurrected by the lord of light because he the real Azor Ahai, and thats because 2. He is the only person left in Westeros who a. Has a legitimate claim to the throne and b. Would actually be accepted as king by the North, re-uniting the 7 kingdoms and thus being able to field a united Westerosi Army against the Night King. That would've made the most sense. So much wasted potential.
Yes but what about the westerlands
@@codman123 Sansa's marriage with Tyrion? The Westerlands and Dorne won't bend the knee but can't fight neither.
@@venuskllix1066 yes but what will happen about dany and tyrions marriage with sansa was forced and sansa might make tyrion look bad
Awesome breakdown of the theory! I'd like to add that....
Shireen's dreams of being "eaten by a dragon" support the theory of her being sacrificed to bring Jon back (which would also be a helluva better reason than the TV show gave).
Also, I don't know if you mentioned this, but "wake dragons from stone"= "wake Targaryens from the greyscale carrier"?
:)
1:43 "Bran is forgotten, beyond the Wall, becoming a psychic tree boy or something."
Nailed it.
What if Jon isn't resurrected and the story just focuses on the crippled tree boy?
+raging flame I did. Because of the visions. It made it look like he was some prophecied kid or something. Since he is just a kid, he won't really have any political influence. He won't be a warrior. Why would he seek out a god-like figure beyond the wall? I think he will be the big hero of this story tbh. I think bran wasn't in season 5 because his destiny would be a far greater one, to great to reveal it just yet. I think he will be the one to defeat the White walkers, by utilizing his powers. When Jon snow stated that even after having joined forces with the Wildlings, chance of victory would not be certain. After the huge massacre, you can imagine that this chance significantly decreased. That's where bran comes in. I think.
+The Last Methbender And i think Hodor will rule Westeros.
I think Hodor is actually a Clegane but was abused at a young age by the two brothers. Hence the speech impediment and moments of distress.
Also explains his large size, the brothers never mention him because they assume he died during a beating.
*places foil hat on head*
There is a certain pattern in asoiaf, the strong dies and the seemingly weak prevails
Three years later and the cripple tree is king
Fucking hell! I watch other GoT videos but Jesus yours far surpass anything else out there. Thank you for spending so much time on them, they're awesome.
agreed . He is the best
mijikai His voice sounds like that of a Maester lol
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Mehmet Alper Kaya :)
mijikai So you believe Jon Snow is the new coming of Jesus. Halaluha. JK, he does do mostly awesome.
I would really be interested in a video explaining the significance of Jon, Bran, and Arya being worgs, since it seems to be so rare a thing to be. But two siblings and a cousin? Yeah. Great videos so far--thanks for that!
+ChinaMo Cheers! Yeah it'd be cool to do a video on warging some time...
+Alt Shift X Good job man, Good job, great videos, all the time!!!
GRRM is actually on record as saying ALL the Stark children are/were wargs so very rare indeed.
+SportsSpeak73 that would make sense. Rickon's warging is never noted because he was so young that his warging was more symbiotic and Shaggydog just acted impulsively like a 6 year old.
yeah, Rickon's is implied in the sense that his wolf routinely mirrors Rickons mood, but its never stated that he has "wolf dreams".
So Jon's last word in the book is Ghost, and he's definitely going to warg into Ghost upon death.
Jon's last word in the show is Olly. Jon wargs into Olly confirmed?
"The next book is gonna be a helluva read"
Yea, about that
Season 7 premiere Jon comes out from under the dumpster he slid under in the finale
+Nicholas Brown LOL Wonder how many others got that. I knew Glenn wasn't dead, just by how it was done. :)
+Nicholas Brown guess you haven't seen the latest episode then...
lmao. good one.
I like Jon killing Mel to make Lightbringer.
Justice for sweet shireen would be served
Drey K. Doesnt he have to put it in water and a lion too? maybe stabs it into Ghost. or is that just the process from the story?
It'd be even crazier if Mel turns out to be Bloodraven's daughter. A Targ killing a Targ to forge the blade of fire. This...I like this...
Jorah mormont is the true prince that was promise he is azor ahai reborn he is a song of ice and fire
Logan Calkins no fuck off
All the greatest heroes have to die in some way in order to become the best version of themselves: Gandalf, Harry Potter, Aslan, Jesus, Odin, Osiris, the Greek heroes having to pass through the underworld. I think Jon will become the most important character following this rite of passage or "katabasis".
plot twist: Jon wargs into Hodor at the last moment and conquers the south with Bran and that tree fella
I can't wait to see Ollie's face when Jon comes back.
they literally show you his face after he was hung like the writer saw your comment
These videos are amazing. Not only do you succinctly make your points with great visual aids but you back your shit up with citations. Not only that but your ideas about how things can go are just... good. I hope most of these theories come true.
How has nobody pointed out that Melisandre burns Shireen "to clear the snow" - clear the Snow perhaps?
I say R'hllor intended for her to burn Shireen in order for the fire to melt the Snow. leaving Jon Targaryen. I say she doesn't actively resurrect Jon, as we have no indication that Melisandre is aware of the ability to resurrect people. Instead I think they will burn Jon on a funeral pyre, and he will then rise from the flames (akin to Daenerys in S01E10), even to Melisandre surprise. I both hope and predict this.
3 years later, that’s a good theory man. Really really hope that happens
The show really did a bad job setting up For the Watch, no pink letter, no real motivation, Thorne should of just kept the gate shut if he planned on killing him, that way the wildlings stay north of the wall. D&D's logic sometimes is quite baffling
I'm also going to laugh when Jon is Azor Ahai and all the Dany fanboys cry into their pillows
James Buschell Not enough time. Time had to be devoted to story essential scenes like Grey Worm and Messandei's 'romance'
Slail they really should of just out that crapfest that they failed to adapt in Dorne and devoted much more time to the north in general
I've never understood this kind of criticism. D&D have to winnow down hundreds and hundreds of pages to adapt the books for just ten hours of airtime each season. Given that's the case, subplots and minor characters are going to have to be simplified and/or completely expunged. For example, if what's laid out in the video proves to be true, it'll be a great way to connect several disparate elements *in the books*, but in the show it's all just too circuitous.
People are already complaining that D&D do not spend enough time on the plot points they *can* include. Simplifying everything like they have (again, if what the video suggests is indeed what unfolds) will boil it all down to its basic elements and will end up in the same place (and I subscribe to the theory that when GRRM outlined for D&D where the books will ultimately go, he indeed gave them all of the remaining major plot points and they know what they're doing).
Court Montgomery so you seriously believe that For the Watch was logical on the show? All they had to do was have a version of the pink letter to provoke Jon to march south, by doing that his vows are broken and then the NW has the motivation to do it. If their only motivation was the wildlings, why didn't Thorne open the gate if the intention was to kill him? If that was the case does it not make more logical sense for Thorne just to keep the gate shut AND keep the wildlings north of the wall?
I mean I'm not going to argue with you if you think it was good, to each is own i suppose.
James Buschell or maybe they changed they're minds.. Did you think that through?
I got a crackpot theory.
What if "A song of ice and fire" is an actual song, written by Rhaegar to Lyanna expressing his love for her and their child she carries. If this document where ever discovered, it could be one link to revealing R+L=J.
Matt Something Dude, I like this! :D
Matt Something I like this theory.
Matt Something TH-cam comment theories are usually really dumb, but I like this one.
Matt Something Stay off the crack Matt.
Nice copy and paste from reddit...
it's amazing how spot on all your theories are.
This video ties it all together perfectly man. You one of the writers leaking spoilers under an assumed name? XD
Either way you have a new sub.
+Chaos8282 Cheers mate!
+Alt Shift X I didn't hear a denial... Plus for the third part of your theory could it be possible that due to the extreme power of John's transference to Ghost that he is able to directly interact with Bran to the point of having a verbal conversation?
I love the moments Mellisandra realises that Snow is the chosen one not stannis her face says it all priceless
I think you would've been a nice replacement for Bloodraven, Lord Alt Shift X because you freaking CALLED IT!
2015: "The next book is gonna be a helluva read"
2022: ....please... it's been 11 years...
Man I admire how much effort you put into editing your videos, it must be a pain! bravo its appreciated
"There would be a second life worthy of a king." Yup.
Could you make a video and explore the possibility of an Ice Dragon beyond the wall. As you said Mellisandra said that her magic was stronger at the wall and it is known that dragons amplify magical powers so could an ice dragon be beyond the wall? Possibly with the white walkers.
suemeejim715 The wall is next to the shivering sea, this is where In the latest book of A world of song of ice the ice dragons are stated to have lived around. good point though.
In "The Ice Dragon", GRRM states that ice dragons are larger and more powerful than fire breathing dragons. Whatever they touch instantly freezes and never thaws.
I like the idea of ice dragons lining up, and the air freezes around them, forming into a 700 ft tall Wall of ice.
GRRM already said that there is magic keeping the wall standing. Either way, it's going to come down in book 6.
What better way to bring it down then by watching ice dragons burst out from inside.
Radiotomb True, but I thought that books setting was different not in the ASOIAF world.
OMG what if... The wall was this huge back and torsal of a huge ice dragon ;o
And suddenly it awakens and he stands up from his sleep, destroying the wall (because he's the wall) and *crazy thoughts*
suemeejim715 A theory I like suggests there's an Ice dragon trapped in the wall. It IS the magic keeping it standing and it is the reason it seems as though it breathes and lives (the wall). As stated by Jon or Sam can't remember who. It would explain a lot. And seeing as these magical horns control dragons and the Horn of Johramun (however it's spelled) is said to bring down the wall. May be what wakes the dragon from its slumber and brings the wall down. Also the fact that Melissanda's magic is stranger at the wall may hint that there is a dragon in the wall, as dragons amplify magic exponentially. :) but It's only a theory.
ah damn...now i feel really pressured into reading all the books
a_wandering_silhouette I've already started. Finished the first and on pg 267 on the second… DO IT!!!
paul bulimar Just DO IT!
- Shia
I bought the first two 3 months ago and only on 182 of the first one.. it's hard to get into it
XE Obzeh [Aspect Co] Yeah it's hard since you already basically watched everything. But in book 2 it really is getting different.
XE Obzeh [Aspect Co] same here. i pretty much read all of book 1 and it is tiresome, since the first season kept very close to the first book
This was my first ever Alt shift X video.
I was just a casual tv viewer of the show. After Jons death in S05 I delved in everthing GoT related, and even though I did not read the book, I became an ubber fan of ghe show. And stumbled on this gem. And since then watched every vid.
Actually, in both books and show there is another potential alternative to the use of king's blood to resurrect Jon: Melisandre herself. If you believe the theory that Bloodraven + Shiera Seastar = Melony/Melisandre, then Mel DEFINITELY has kingsblood. Moreover, that would also tie into the "bleeding star" portion of the Azor Ahai prophecy, especially if her surname is Seastar like her mother. Melisandre is the Red Star.
Also, do you think "Jon" is even his real birth name? GRRM has said that "Jon" is the name Ned gave him. I heard a cool theory on Radio Westeros that his real name is Aemon Targaryen.
What
nick koch
Yes?
Sofia Alarcon Wow, that's actually interesting. Who could tell Jon his real name though? And is Jon like an acronym for his real name? So much cliffhangers, a man needs S06 and/or The Winds of Winter!
***** There's no direct evidence for what Jon's real name is, but we can speculate on it based on what could possibly be literary references and symbolism here and there. I would go into it here, but I don't think I could explain it half as well as Radio Westeros did. So I recommend you go to their site and check out their episode on Jon Snow, as well as their other episodes, because they are awesome.
As for why Ned chose the name "Jon", it's likely that he named him after Jon Arryn. It could have symbolic meaning to him. This is from Reddit:
"Ned's relationship to Arryn parallels the relationship he feels with Snow. Jon Arryn raised Ned like a son even though he was not. Furthermore, when the king (Aerys) called for Ned's head, Lord Arryn raised his banners in rebellion and defied the king to save him. No doubt Ned is defying Robert by hiding the Targaryen's claim to the throne."
Sofia Alarcon Thanks! I'll check them out (:
Great video. I just paused it at 10:13 to say that I've been watching every, "Jon Snow will return," video I can find, and this one is already the best. I have been thinking that Jon must learn of his parentage before or at the very moment of his resurrection, because having him come back to life as plain old Jon Snow, and allowing *any* time to go by before revealing his parentage, would be devastatingly anticlimactic. He must be Jon Targaryen, at the moment he opens his eyes. Even having him learn who his parents are, later in the same episode in which he's brought back, would be clunky, unbelievable and just kind of stupid lol.
You were on the money with this one dude
Not only was he right about the stuff that has already happened, but I also think he is right about other parts of the video that haven't even happened yet on the show.
For example, just like he said in this video, I have always been convinced that at the end, Jon is going to plunge his sword into Melisandre and it will create Lightbringer. After all, she already confirmed in her last scene that she "has to die in this strange place" or something like that when she spoke with Varys. My guess is she knows that she must sacrifice herself to him. Not to mention, when Jon found out about Shireen's death, he told Mel to leave and if he sees her again then he will kill her. That seems to be foreshadowing...
Just like the rest of your videos, this one is first class. Can't wait to see what's next!
I'm rereading the series and have noticed that on more than one occasion it seems like Commander Mormont's bird says "king" while looking at Jon or when Jon walks into a room.
I like somewhat not knowing what will happen until it happens, but theorizing is so much fun. This is the most intelligent interpretation and educated guess about what will happen that I have listened to so far. Will be interesting to see how it plays out compared to these ideas.
The bastard of winterfell is back, guess bastard bowl will happen after all. Ramsay vs Jon XD
IT HAPPENED !! :D
AND IT WAS GLORIOUS!!!!
NEXT STOP: CLEGANEBOWL!!!
Rift31 yeah he's going up north now, it doesn't make any sense considering the hound barley changed at all, so fighting for the faith would be pointless.
Any one here coming back after today's "Home" episode.... Alt Shift X... you rock
+vinay koti Yea
He fucking predicted the twist of this episode 10 months ago. Fucking wizard
+Alex A a lot of fans predicted it. No way they would build him up without him knowing his true origins
yeah mee
+vinay koti It was predictable, but there was no winning this as it would perhaps been more upsetting if he didn't come back, but I do wish Melisandres ritual wasn't so underwhelming.
2:38
oh sweet summer child.
Jon Snow is not coming back. Jon Targaryen tho is probably coming back....or Jon Stark.
+Nikolay Nenov Dobre be moi :D
+Nikolay Nenov i agree i think thats what all the producers mean when they say jon snow isn't coming back
Jon Starkaryen
LOL !!!!
Jon Kardashyen
I really want Jon will be the Azor Ahai of GOT , but damn .. i have see so much theory about that , if is not true i well be very sad :(. GIVE ME BACK JON FKING SNOW PLS RR .
As De Pique Indeed. This video and other people connecting the dots have filled me with hope of seeing Jon Snow return.... if he doesn't it'll be a huge let down, and confuse me because the dots have already been connected in a logical way.
As De Pique I will be very happy if all those theories are not true because then i won't know what is coming for me and its even more entertaining.
Krydda If you didn't watch this video you wouldn't have known about the theory and would've been surprised if it turns out to be the case. LOL. :P
Teal'c Nah, i've read from this theory on reddit after the last book was released 2012. its just annoying that the mainstream now floods the internet with tinfoil theories with no backup and think that GRRM books are so predictable.
Krydda Uhh,.."with no back up".... LOL, whats your definition of back up?. .....I'd say the "back up" this youtube vid has is quotes from the books and show which points the story in this direction.
And no, I've never gotten the impression from anyone that thinks GRRM's stories are predictable. No one is simply saying he will rise from the dead... they are pointing out context clues to show you one possible direction this story might be heading towards.
They asked a question, did background research and constructed a hypothesis from the information gathered. ..... All they're saying is he still is a candidate for Azor ahai based on current information.
You are not as peppy as the other youtube reviewers, or as "exciting", but you are MASTERFUL. Your insights are almost scientific due to the way you present evidence and several levesl above the competition. Wish I had found you a LOT earlier. Thank you for your work.
You were right, the whole time! - Jon Snow
Wait, has Thoros ever had to "pay" for resurrecting Beric Dondarrion? If I remember correctly, all he's ever done was use the prayer and he's been able to resurrect Dondarrion a bunch of times.
Beric was resurrected immediately after he died though.
***** Maybe Theon should get an appointment with one of these red priests...
paul bulimar Only death can pay for sex?
akrybion Haha. Worth it.
***** I think it did take a lot out of Thoros to do that. In Mel's chapter we see how much of a toll her magic is taking on her but she does her best to hide it.
Imagine Jon resurrected with silver Targaryen hair. That would be awesome.
And gaining a pair of red eyes, making him a spit image of BloodRaven!
D & D: We kinda forgot we had an awesome standoff like this so we used Arya insted.
I'll say it again, and I'll get mocked for saying it again, you're an amazing video editor. What software do you use?
YMBatal OH NO WAY! TH-cam video editor? I bought Corel for no reason.
Docktor Jim No it says Toon Boom Studio 8.1 The "Created using" isn't actually what he uses to edit. He says in the description he uses Toon Boom Studio 8.1
Guru Zaheer Thanks!
I think you just gave George RR Martin some inspiration
In the show, could it be that the burning of Shireen was actually to clear the way back to Castle Black for Melisandre ?
Also, I think Theon will be the sacrifice to bring Jon back, he has king's blood since Balon is king of the Iron Islands and it could serve as atonement for his betrayal of the Starks.
Giglioti Good point I like it
Giglioti nope theon has bigger fish to fry in iron islands...
logesh palani In the books, I agree but in the show seems unlikely
Giglioti I'm all for the Theon theory. There is no way Shireen is the sacrifice that brings Jon back. I don't see the Lord of Light accepting the blood of an innocent unless they volunteer themselves for that sacrifice. The point is made when Stannis loses everything for doing it.
Giglioti but they are adding the greyjoy uncles next season...
Alt Shift X (2:43): "Surely you don't have an awesome stand off like this only to not have a payoff later on."
D&D: "If you think this has a happy ending, you haven't been paying attention."
Thanks a lot for your vision … it sounds great!
And technically if R+L=J is true, he would have a stronger claim than Dany. As him being born of the first son of a Targaryen ruler his living lineage would have claim before Dany.
My only problem with Shireen getting burned for Jon's resurrection (and I'm speaking of the books, here, since we've passed this in the show) is that Thoros is able to bring Beric back time and again without a sacrifice.
The last kiss doesn't necessarily work because it brings back only a part of your soul back, we know that being a wight is not the best second life you can have (the Army of The Dead, Beric and Lady Stoneheart are there to proof) so Mel might use something more potent to fully ressurect Jon's body A.K.A King's Blood via Shireen and possibly Theon if Stannis execute him!
@@PedroLucas-mg5je Maybe so, but I've wondered if something might be different with Jon's resurrection since he can warg - if his essence goes into his wolf, and she brings his body back, would his full essence just return?
@@cruddddddddddddddd Maybe his essence would be more wolfish and can have some sort of the sixth sense that the direwolves had, like sensing if a person is trustworthy or not (like how Grey Wind and Lady Felt that the Freys and Joffrey weren't trustworthy) and his post-resurrection appearance could be similar to Ghost, white hair and red eyes!
12:46
"And that the next book is going to be a hell of a read."
Yeah, sure.
I may be completely wrong but in the first season when Bran is in a coma, Isn't he brought back when Ned kills Sansa's Dire wolf? Again I haven't watched the season for a while but i'm sure i remember that happening...
JammieDavz I think I remember something like that happening. When Ned kills sansas direwolf it immediately cuts to Bran waking up.
I Uptown Funked You Up I thought that happened. Could just be pure coincidence that it cuts to him waking up...
asoiaf theorists do not believe in coincidences.
+Virtual|Reality exactly
+JammieDavz | Fifa Skiller It seems simpler to suggest that Bran was just awoken when it died since Bran has a deeper connection to the wolves because of his warging.
THANK YOU Alt Shift X!!!!
I just watched s5 ep10 and after much disbelief and a few tears you just gave me hope that GoT's best character isn't dead.
hope youre right, jon is my favourite character
No fucking way!!! I just saw this video among my "suggestion" list two hours ago, and then.......
HOLY SHIT!!!
I am still screaming.
+Stephanie Douranakis I am still crying xD of happines!.
I love these. They make so much sense
Melisandre is such an interesting character
Even thinking about going out and buying WINDS i get a warm feeling in my belly
After rewatching this video it made me realize that its strange that mel was able to resurrect john in the snow no problem. In every other example in the show and book obvi theres always a price to magic, its blood magic. I think in the book its going to be much more sacrificial and bittersweet when jon comes back
Actually Ser Pounce is Azor Ahai, but nice try m8
That wasn't a cross in the show it was Benjen he can shapeshift
Your videos are hands down the best analysis of ASOIAF/GoT I've ever seen! Keep it up!
snowflake jesus or bust!
the evidence you cite to support your theories peppered with the right amount of humor over your cinnamon-frappe smooth voice.. nothin but love alt shift x!! your videos are truly unrivaled. keep holdin it down and keepin the hope alive for us :)
+natalie ruegger Cheers! Will do.
+Alt Shift X Could you do a theory video on Sweetrobin possibly being Littlefinger's son and not Jon Arryn's? That would be sweet.
+natalie ruegger Jesus is real and is a kind person he helps and did miracles he is a loving indivaul and is divine u are a messed up sicko mocking him like that learn your stuff
Nikunj Majithia if you follow jesus you'd know he asks you to be Christ-like in your own actions and i don't think that involves calling me a sicko or putting others down in general, maybe YOU should learn your stuff bud. i've got a great relationship with God & i don't think i could get along with anyone who didn't have a badass sense of humor.
natalie ruegger u mock by saying words like this learn your stuff
My Theory for the books, (since show fucked this up.) Stannis defeats the Boltons and claims Winterfell. After he hears of Jon's death he declares him a true Stark (like he had offered Jon before) and has his body brought to Winterfell to lay in the Crypts with the other Starks. Meanwhile he has Theon captured at Winterfell, somehow Lady Stoneheart hears of this and heads to Winterfell to kill him ( she thinks he killed Bran and Rickon) She will be well accepted there due to melisandre, since she rides with the red priest. There Stannis will let her execute Theon since he planned on doing it anyway (Whether she kills Theon or doesn't effect the main theory), and she will discover Jon is dead. In an ironic twist she will give Jon the kiss of life, trading her life for the boy she despised and hated.
Another superb video from altshiftx :)
I think R+L=J is a correct theory. It makes so much sense in regards to some of the plot holes that have bothered me. It seems to me that Jon's story is far from over even if he did die in ADWD... we will hear more about him thats for sure
Just a heads up, the description displays in the subscription field, so that's a pretty hardcore spoiler visible without even clicking the video.
love_otter Those aren't requirements, those were just things the original Azor Ahai did to bring about Lightbringer that didn't work. I don't think they're necessities to the prophecy.
I think you're responding to the wrong comment, bro.
When I posted it, I had linked to the right one, then I saw this and my shame came into being.
Shame. *dingding*
Why would you sub and not expect spoilers?
Fucking brilliant video man. 10/10. Even if it might not end up being all true, it is an absolutely remarkable video. Well done
6-8 has already been released
in an interview George said : "there people have already guessed the secret that i'm gonna reveal in books 6 and book 2 is just out"
Now tell me he's not talking about R+L=J
Saudi gucci what does he mean by "book 2 is just out"? Book 2 has been out for many years.
Teal'c He never said when this interview was conducted ;-)
Teal'c The interview was likely just after Book 2 was released.
lukazade101 Say Whaa!!..., They must be psychic to be able to predict whats in book 6 with only book 2 being out at the time.
Teal'c R+L=J is in its basis pretty much completely based on hints from the first book.
Sam - "He always returns"..also we still have to see Jon's and Ned's talk about Jon's mother..maybe Jon will warg(dream) something about Ned,but it will be reality..also it's said that Robb become direwolf in the night..well it's not Robb,it's Jon who will become direwolf in the Night..
A major clue contributing to a likely return of Jon would be that he's Robb's heir; Robb's will named Jon Snow as his successor, legitimising him and entitling him to the Stark name and position as head of the family, and Lord of Winterfell. As mentioned more than once in A Knight of the Seven Kingdoms, a legitimised bastard typically reverses the colours of their banner, as seen in the context of the Blackfrye rebellion. The Stark banner is a grey wolf on a white background - if we reverse this, we're left with...A White Wolf on a grey banner. That sounds like quite a subtle, but important clue that GRRM might have included in the texts. If we take this into account, together with the prophecies and Melisandre's visions in the flames (man to wolf to man again, warging to avoid death before taking back a revived body?), and the voiding of the Watch's vows (since he technically died), we're left with a Jon Stark who is able to march under a banner of a White Wolf. That's just too good to be a coincidence...
Well Ned Stark kinda promised Jon when they meet again he will reveal who is Jon’s mother. So maybe Bran will send him a vision of “promise me Ned” and Ned will finally be able to tell him.
If George R.R. Martin doesn't resurrect Jon Snow in the upcoming books and in turn the show, then he's a complete fool. In my opinion Jon Snow has more of the end game story on his shoulders than anyone else at this point. Everyone including Daenerys, seem to be more worried about ruling the world,birthrights and lust for power while Jon Snow is on the front lines of the War for the Dawn which is the true threat. He's just too important a character to kill off at this point. If George kills off Jon Snow who seems to be the only symbol of selflessness, honor and justice left then whats the point of reading the rest of the story? Imho, Daenerys and Jon Snow are the two pillars holding the story up and if one falls the whole thing crumbles. Show me one character who can replace Jon Snow that anyone would be happy with, I don't think there will be many recommendations if any. The R+L=J theory has to come into play. I think if he learns hes a Targaryen, a legit Targaryen and not a River then he will seek out Daenerys not only because shes his sister but also because hes going to want to get as many people possible ready for the White Walker invasion and he would be in a perfect position to bring the Wildlings to her side. That's a good chunk of people to get the ball rolling towards end game. If Jon Snow is resurrected I hope its done by Thoros of Myr and not Melisandre because she sucks and Thoros seemed like a much cooler character. Maybe Lady Stoneheart sends Thoros after hearing of Jon's death or maybe Melisandre sends for Thoros personally considering he brought Beric back to life 6 times. There's so many possible resurrection scenarios for Snow, but more than likely it will involve a red priest or priestess. Whatever happens Jon Snow has to comeback otherwise the story wont be the same and not in a good way. Sorry for the rant.
ChillinCT Don't worry, he's hinted in interviews that Jon will return.
Jon is danaerys' nephew. rhaegar is her brother and jons dad.
+ChillinCT Don't be disappointed if he doesn't come back in Season 6 though. I'd prefer they bring him back then but he's not been casted. Of course they could be lying. Either way we'll definitely have our lovely Jon back by season 7.
these theories of yours are pretty damn accurate to what I would expect to come on the next book
Also, Jon’s wound was smoking when he was stabbed, and Marsh was crying. If Jon is Rheagers son, then it fits. Marsh tears=Salt. Smoke=smoking wound. Kings blood=Jon’s wound.
It was steaming because his blood is hot and the wall is really cold.
@@hoked2194 true, good point, but the overall theme and symbolism still works imo.
He Did bro. Lord Commander Jon Snow is alive
the ways R=L=J can be revealed. Howland Reed, Brandon Stark visions, Ashara Dayne through Ned Stark, Jojen and Myra Reed through Howland Reed, or any person Rhaegar Targaryan told about his son to be prior to his death at the trident. Shall we remember that in fiction and character can reveal anything at any time based on good writing :)
Jon having the fleshback of his parentage would give a reason for the Tower of Joy scene.
"When the sun rises in the west and sets in the east," said Mirri Maz Duur. "When the seas go dry and mountains blow in the wind like leaves. When your womb quickens again, and you bear a living child. Then he will return, and not before."
I would love to see a video on this, I'm begging you! Your videos are so in-depth and clear- best fan theory videos on TH-cam. :)
My two-cent theories below.
I haven't actually read any forums on it, but I reckon there are a few options and I'm interested to see what you have to say on it! You always analyse so in depth and have great evidence- I love your videos!
My theories are: 1. Dorne (in rebellion about Myrcella's claim to the throne) openly rebels and somehow moves East, perhaps in support of Daenerys, since they love female power- yeah.
2. The 'sun's son' = Quentyn Martell wishes Daenerys' hand in marriage. Rises from Westeros and moves East to ask for Danaerys' hand in marriage. Also supported by 'the sun's son' quote (unfortunately can't track down except that it's in DoD)
3. Tyrion encourages Young Griff (the secret Targaryen prince) in DoD to raise his banners in Dorne to impress Daenerys to get her hand in marriage. In this case it's both the 'son' - The Maegi spoke the words and thus there could be Dany's misinterpretation- and the 'sun' of Dorne (also, Dorne = Dawn... relevant?)
Concerning the seas turning to dust, it seems most likely these are the Dothraki seas (perhaps roasted by dragons or trampled by a loyal khalasar of freed men and Dothraki returning to Dany) and the mountains blowing like leaves in the wind (thought it might have been a sigil waving on banners... but couldn't find a prominent family with a mountain sigil), I'm not sure. But I'm positive that Dany will bear a living child.
But I feel like it's significant, since the quote is repeated several times through the books. Why be cryptic and bother repeating if all it means is: 'yeah Dany, you're infertile, but I'm poetic so I'll say it in an annoying way'?
I would love to see an analysis of this!
Oh no, the idea that Jon might be within Ghost, observing everything Melisandre does to try and bring him back, and ends up watching Shireen burn through Ghost's eyes as the last thing he sees before his resurrection sounds like it would be one hell of a trauma. I can just imagine they've chained Ghost up or something, and throughout the entire ritual Ghost is struggling against the chains, whining, trying to reach the pyre to save the little girl.