Hello from the Greek Orthodox Church! I just visited a Coptic Liturgy, so beautiful! The Proistamenos told me I was always welcome as a fellow Orthodox, praise God.
I'm a black American who has never been Christian but my seeking journey has brought me to Ethiopian orthodoxy but the language barrier makes it difficult
@anarchist_parable If you live in DMV (DC, Maryland, and VA) there is a Ethiopian Orthodox church in Temple Hill, Maryland(St. Paul EOTC) that has their divine liturgy in English. St. Mark DC Egyptian coptic orthodox church is also has English, Greek, and Coptic combined with screens showing translations.
*Here are about 30 differences between COPTIC & EOTC* Purpose: This was written to educate and give believers a BETTER understanding of the origin of their faith, history and tradition and answer why the EOTC is quite different from other orthodoxies. This should not to be interpreted in the wrong way, unity is important but so is transparency. Author: As an Ethiopian Orthodox servant and having attended several Coptic liturgies, and from theological research on both churches, I can tell you we the EOTC have SO MANY differences. ✅ ALL ITEMS HAVE BEEN CONFIRMED! *Dogma Differences* 1. We believe that Saint Mary was born without original sin (immaculate conception) - (Coptics believe she was born with sin) 2. We believe that Saint Mary has NO fallen nature no sin or nature to sin after birth as well *Jewish Practices* Matt 5:17 - “I did not come to abolish the Law” 1. We have Ark Processions year-round 2. We abstain from all unclean food (pork, shrimp, crab, etc) 3. We do no enter church if we are unclean (men and women) 4. We wear all white shawls (Netelas) as a symbol of Christ’s Resurrection and spiritual purity 5. We have a shoeless entry (not just during communion) 6. We abstain from any modern instruments (piano, guitar, etc) 7. We have 81 books in the Bible (Coptics have 74) 8. We go of Halachic Jewish Time (Fasting entry and exits are based of our sun and star movements (Twilight) and our hours are reversed (12=6, 9=3) 9. We observe Friday evening and Saturday as the Sabbath (in addition to Sunday) 10. Women after giving birth have to wait 40 days or 80 days to enter church. ( Lev 12) *EOTC Belief System* 1. We abstain from any fish on fasting days (It is a meat - 1 Cor 15:39) 2. We eat starting at 3pm on fasting days 3. We fast 290 days of the year (including Tsige & Pagume Fast) 4. Women are not allowed to wear pants only ankle length dresses (Deut 22:5) 5. We never imprint (wear) icons of saints on clergical or any other clothes 6. We have a 2-priest liturgy system unlike Coptics 7. We close curtains during significant moments 8. To be a Deacon you must be a unmarried virgin 9. We have 14 liturgies (Coptics have 3) 10. We celebrate all 33 feasts for Saint Mary and all 18 feasts of Jesus with millions in attendance year round 11. We have Hymnaries (Mahlet) 4-10 hours short version and 24-48 hours long on Epiphany and Horologions (Sa’tat) 12. We perform year- round Subae’s (7 days of no food or water) 13. Believers have (Full Body - Holy Water) services year round for healing and forgiveness of sin 14. We do not eat bread inside church (unlike Coptics) 15. Only men can pour Holy Water 16. The Holy Trinity Icon is always depicted (Coptics use mostly Jesus and the 4 creatures of the Gospel) 17. We have to fast 18 hours to take communion (3 days of no intercourse) 18. We prohibit any use of contraceptives or birth control (Genesis 38:6-11) - Coptics approve *Explanation:* While we didn’t establish a church prior to Coptics, Ethiopia was and is historically known as the First Christian Kingdom and Civilization (Reference: Prophecy Psalms 72: 9-10 along with multiple Church sources shows that one of the three wise man has been confirmed Ethiopian, Acts 8 shows Christianity teaching existed in Ethiopia and Aksum Kingdom predates back to BC showing traces of Christianity prior to Armenian Church). And so while we the EOTC are labeled “oriental” with our sister churches, we are the only orthodox nation who incorporate 4000 year old Jewish customs (Judeo-Christianity) and Jewish forms of worship and tradition into our faith making us really a third type of Orthodox. The reason for this is because we were the only Orthodox country to convert from Jewish to Christian so we hold very sacred information or the “original link” that drives our Christian faith to be more conservative or allows us to have more divine levels of worship (Ark Processions year round, Hymnaries (Mahlet), (Horologions (Sa’tat), Subae (7 days of no food or water), constant baptism, all white clothing, shoeless entry, restraining from pork and any other unclean meat and 296 days of fasting to name a few all makes our orthodoxy unique different and special in every way compared to all other oriental and eastern orthodoxies but most importantly and evidently seen is our love of Saint Mary. Ethiopia is in fact called the Land of Mary. Thank you have a nice day. Blessings in Christ Sources: 1. EOTC Sunday School Department Immaculate Conception - eotcmk.org/e/the-birth-of-the-blessed-virgin-mary-2/ 2. M/r RODAS th-cam.com/video/1i7DUmLkR_83/w-d-xo.html. 3. MAHBER KIDUSAN th-cam.com/video/73ybOkqsM1I/w-d-xo.html 4. Dersane Gabriel Tahsas Ch. 21-22 5. Ethiopia’s 4000 year history m.th-cam.com/video/pd1J_527Cxk/w-d-xo.html 6. Lika Likawnt Ezra - Promised Land Saint Mary th-cam.com/video/V8vBa78tvMI/w-d-xo.html 7. Holy Synod’s published document titled “The Doctrine and Foreign Relations of the EOTC” 8. No Fish on Fasting Day (EOTC) th-cam.com/video/l1Q2CvMebtQ/w-d-xo.html 9. Fetha Negest 10. Mesafe Kebur 11. Kebra Negest
@lulh Thanks for commenting, While there was no council regarding Oriental IC , this matter was addressed in the 2017 Coptic and EOTC Ecumenical Synod Meeting in Cairo, Egypt. I would be happy to send you the report but it is in Amharic. Both churches identified the different views when it came to Saint Mary’s conception with both churches agreeing while it changes dogmatic perspectives it posed no threat of church division. However, how this becomes a Dogmatic matter requires a little more theological background. Simply, any change to the nature of Saint Mary affects the nature of Christ and how He manifests in her. The incarnation of Christ then touches on the dogma of Christology. Here the way Christ “manifests” in her becomes the dogmatic question. Does He incarnatate in her with the to be atoned “Adamic sin”, does He manifest in her without her flesh and blood, etc all touching Christ’s nature or Christological Dogma.
@lulh Also, I see on your playlist you are studying the deacon liturgical notes. I hope God blesses your servanthood and hears your prayers. On another note, I also see mild rap content “bangerz” as your playlist. Any music is a sin in the eyes of God and so I hope you can find the strength to relieve your self of such explicit and unchristian content. Take care.
Much respect for all Brothers in sisters in Christ from both Churches. But I hate giving up forever on good Church music with an organ and jewish rules like Sabbath and legalistic fasting rules. Be blessed
@@fromthepewspodcast I basically wanted to know if more English speaking ETOC’s would be emerging soon possibly and I also would like to know more about the ETOC Maccabees and Enoch Cannon since the information im these books are different than in KJV apocrypha and etc…
The reason the difference came is that bc Eritreans and Ethiopians accepted christianity because traditionally judiasim was part of their ritual before Christianity came to both countries in the 4th century. Where as Egyptian coptics were gentiles before christianity. So the Judiasim ritual make it different from coptic Egyptians. Other than that doctrine wise they are all the same.
Egyptian Coptics were Gentiles before Christianity? Nah man, there was a huge Alexandrian Jewish community. And the temple at Leontopolis. Philo of Alexandria... the Septuagint was created in Alexandria...
@andrewternet8370 As far as history tells us that all Egyptians were gentiles, probably with quite few jews background. Anyways, we don't need to argue about that bc Jesus came to this world to save us all regardless!!
@@nathanmagnuson2589 He probably believes Easter is Ishtar - ignoring completelly the jewish tradition of Passover, etc. The "do your own research" is basically repeating their evangelical sources and stoping there.
...you realize pretty much every church except the Latin church calls it Pascha (ie Passover)? Even if it did fall on Ishtar- it's spiritual warfare!@@brentbeatty4171
Religion, Man, Culture and traditions are all false. God is not the author of confusion or division that's why he said only through my son. Not the church culture or traditions. but on Christ and him alone. We are his church, his bride. Your church is at home in your closet. I'll let the scripters say it. 1 Corinthians 14:33 King James Version 33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints. Galatians 5 King James Version 5 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage. 2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing. 3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law. 4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace. 5 For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith. 6 For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love. 7 Ye did run well; who did hinder you that ye should not obey the truth? 8 This persuasion cometh not of him that calleth you. 9 A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump. 10 I have confidence in you through the Lord, that ye will be none otherwise minded: but he that troubleth you shall bear his judgment, whosoever he be. 11 And I, brethren, if I yet preach circumcision, why do I yet suffer persecution? then is the offence of the cross ceased. 12 I would they were even cut off which trouble you. 13 For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another. 14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 15 But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another. 16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. 17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. 18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law. 19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, 21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. 22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, 23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. 24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts. 25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. 26 Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another. One church, not religion. Matthew 6:5-8 King James Version 5 And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. 6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly. 7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking. 8 Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him. Amen Origins of men's religion. The church th-cam.com/video/iV9f1vdUN6U/w-d-xo.html Pagan in the church th-cam.com/video/sGlMzIyK8ZI/w-d-xo.html Pray yah watch the videos. Learn the truth. God bless in Jesus name.
Hello from orthodox Russia!
Hi Cyril!
Enjoyed this conversation. I am a journey to becoming a Coptic Christian.
Thanks for listening and God bless your journey! Keep us posted
Hello from the Greek Orthodox Church! I just visited a Coptic Liturgy, so beautiful! The Proistamenos told me I was always welcome as a fellow Orthodox, praise God.
Love that 👊🏽
I'm a black American who has never been Christian but my seeking journey has brought me to Ethiopian orthodoxy but the language barrier makes it difficult
Just seek a Bible based church that follows Jesus
@@jameelabellingport6369 sounds like he's doing that
@anarchist_parable If you live in DMV (DC, Maryland, and VA) there is a Ethiopian Orthodox church in Temple Hill, Maryland(St. Paul EOTC) that has their divine liturgy in English. St. Mark DC Egyptian coptic orthodox church is also has English, Greek, and Coptic combined with screens showing translations.
*Here are about 30 differences between COPTIC & EOTC*
Purpose: This was written to educate and give believers a BETTER understanding of the origin of their faith, history and tradition and answer why the EOTC is quite different from other orthodoxies. This should not to be interpreted in the wrong way, unity is important but so is transparency.
Author: As an Ethiopian Orthodox servant and having attended several Coptic liturgies, and from theological research on both churches, I can tell you we the EOTC have SO MANY differences.
✅ ALL ITEMS HAVE BEEN CONFIRMED!
*Dogma Differences*
1. We believe that Saint Mary was born without original sin (immaculate conception) - (Coptics believe she was born with sin)
2. We believe that Saint Mary has NO fallen nature no sin or nature to sin after birth as well
*Jewish Practices*
Matt 5:17 - “I did not come to abolish the Law”
1. We have Ark Processions year-round
2. We abstain from all unclean food (pork, shrimp, crab, etc)
3. We do no enter church if we are unclean (men and women)
4. We wear all white shawls (Netelas) as a symbol of Christ’s Resurrection and spiritual purity
5. We have a shoeless entry (not just during communion)
6. We abstain from any modern instruments (piano, guitar, etc)
7. We have 81 books in the Bible (Coptics have 74)
8. We go of Halachic Jewish Time (Fasting entry and exits are based of our sun and star movements (Twilight) and our hours are reversed (12=6, 9=3)
9. We observe Friday evening and Saturday as the Sabbath (in addition to Sunday)
10. Women after giving birth have to wait 40 days or 80 days to enter church. ( Lev 12)
*EOTC Belief System*
1. We abstain from any fish on fasting days (It is a meat - 1 Cor 15:39)
2. We eat starting at 3pm on fasting days
3. We fast 290 days of the year (including Tsige & Pagume Fast)
4. Women are not allowed to wear pants only ankle length dresses (Deut 22:5)
5. We never imprint (wear) icons of saints on clergical or any other clothes
6. We have a 2-priest liturgy system unlike Coptics
7. We close curtains during significant moments
8. To be a Deacon you must be a unmarried virgin
9. We have 14 liturgies (Coptics have 3)
10. We celebrate all 33 feasts for Saint Mary and all 18 feasts of Jesus with millions in attendance year round
11. We have Hymnaries (Mahlet) 4-10 hours short version and 24-48 hours long on Epiphany and Horologions (Sa’tat)
12. We perform year- round Subae’s (7 days of no food or water)
13. Believers have (Full Body - Holy Water) services year round for healing and forgiveness of sin
14. We do not eat bread inside church (unlike Coptics)
15. Only men can pour Holy Water
16. The Holy Trinity Icon is always depicted (Coptics use mostly Jesus and the 4 creatures of the Gospel)
17. We have to fast 18 hours to take communion (3 days of no intercourse)
18. We prohibit any use of contraceptives or birth control (Genesis 38:6-11) - Coptics approve
*Explanation:*
While we didn’t establish a church prior to Coptics, Ethiopia was and is historically known as the First Christian Kingdom and Civilization (Reference: Prophecy Psalms 72: 9-10 along with multiple Church sources shows that one of the three wise man has been confirmed Ethiopian, Acts 8 shows Christianity teaching existed in Ethiopia and Aksum Kingdom predates back to BC showing traces of Christianity prior to Armenian Church). And so while we the EOTC are labeled “oriental” with our sister churches, we are the only orthodox nation who incorporate 4000 year old Jewish customs (Judeo-Christianity) and Jewish forms of worship and tradition into our faith making us really a third type of Orthodox. The reason for this is because we were the only Orthodox country to convert from Jewish to Christian so we hold very sacred information or the “original link” that drives our Christian faith to be more conservative or allows us to have more divine levels of worship (Ark Processions year round, Hymnaries (Mahlet), (Horologions (Sa’tat), Subae (7 days of no food or water), constant baptism, all white clothing, shoeless entry, restraining from pork and any other unclean meat and 296 days of fasting to name a few all makes our orthodoxy unique different and special in every way compared to all other oriental and eastern orthodoxies but most importantly and evidently seen is our love of Saint Mary. Ethiopia is in fact called the Land of Mary.
Thank you have a nice day.
Blessings in Christ
Sources:
1. EOTC Sunday School Department Immaculate Conception - eotcmk.org/e/the-birth-of-the-blessed-virgin-mary-2/
2. M/r RODAS
th-cam.com/video/1i7DUmLkR_83/w-d-xo.html.
3. MAHBER KIDUSAN
th-cam.com/video/73ybOkqsM1I/w-d-xo.html
4. Dersane Gabriel Tahsas Ch. 21-22
5. Ethiopia’s 4000 year history
m.th-cam.com/video/pd1J_527Cxk/w-d-xo.html
6. Lika Likawnt Ezra - Promised Land Saint Mary
th-cam.com/video/V8vBa78tvMI/w-d-xo.html
7. Holy Synod’s published document titled “The Doctrine and Foreign Relations of the EOTC”
8. No Fish on Fasting Day (EOTC)
th-cam.com/video/l1Q2CvMebtQ/w-d-xo.html
9. Fetha Negest
10. Mesafe Kebur
11. Kebra Negest
Thanks for the thoughtful reply!
@@fromthepewspodcast
Sure let me know if you have any questions 😄
Which council defined dogmatic differences between the Oriental Churches?
@lulh
Thanks for commenting,
While there was no council regarding Oriental IC , this matter was addressed in the 2017 Coptic and EOTC Ecumenical Synod Meeting in Cairo, Egypt. I would be happy to send you the report but it is in Amharic. Both churches identified the different views when it came to Saint Mary’s conception with both churches agreeing while it changes dogmatic perspectives it posed no threat of church division.
However, how this becomes a Dogmatic matter requires a little more theological background. Simply, any change to the nature of Saint Mary affects the nature of Christ and how He manifests in her. The incarnation of Christ then touches on the dogma of Christology. Here the way Christ “manifests” in her becomes the dogmatic question. Does He incarnatate in her with the to be atoned “Adamic sin”, does He manifest in her without her flesh and blood, etc all touching Christ’s nature or Christological Dogma.
@lulh
Also, I see on your playlist you are studying the deacon liturgical notes. I hope God blesses your servanthood and hears your prayers.
On another note, I also see mild rap content “bangerz” as your playlist. Any music is a sin in the eyes of God and so I hope you can find the strength to relieve your self of such explicit and unchristian content.
Take care.
We are blessed for the Coptic church 🙏🇪🇷 I love you Guys so much 🙏 Thank you for having as in to your church 🙏
You’re very kind! It is Christ who invites everyone to the wedding banquet
I feel Ethiopian and Erithrian church keep the old Tradition, no compromise, so i feel old is gold
Same in Ethiopia
Much respect for all Brothers in sisters in Christ from both Churches. But I hate giving up forever on good Church music with an organ and jewish rules like Sabbath and legalistic fasting rules. Be blessed
Hi Ben, thanks for sharing. I don’t understand - are you giving up on the faith?
I haven't found fasting in the Coptic Church to be legalistic.
Great video.
Glad you enjoyed it
Please explain more in-depth regarding the vid title the differences between both and the need for more english EOTC’s.
You want a longer video discussion on this topic? Happy to do so if that's what you're asking
@@fromthepewspodcast I basically wanted to know if more English speaking ETOC’s would be emerging soon possibly and I also would like to know more about the ETOC Maccabees and Enoch Cannon since the information im these books are different than in KJV apocrypha and etc…
The Communion thing is common among Scots Roman Catholics (and to some degree Irish Catholics).
Very interesting John!
The reason the difference came is that bc Eritreans and Ethiopians accepted christianity because traditionally judiasim was part of their ritual before Christianity came to both countries in the 4th century. Where as Egyptian coptics were gentiles before christianity. So the Judiasim ritual make it different from coptic Egyptians. Other than that doctrine wise they are all the same.
That’s a good point!
Egyptian Coptics were Gentiles before Christianity? Nah man, there was a huge Alexandrian Jewish community. And the temple at Leontopolis. Philo of Alexandria... the Septuagint was created in Alexandria...
majority were gentiles@@andrewternet8370
@andrewternet8370 As far as history tells us that all Egyptians were gentiles, probably with quite few jews background. Anyways, we don't need to argue about that bc Jesus came to this world to save us all regardless!!
Traditions
She is actually wrong in the marriage where she has to wait for the husband she doesn’t
Thanks for your comment 👍🏽
Xmas is not real
Bruh what ?
@@nathanmagnuson2589xmas was created by Emporer Constantine of Rome during the Council of Nicea
no it wasn't, all Nicaea did was set a common date for celebrating it@@brentbeatty4171
@@nathanmagnuson2589 He probably believes Easter is Ishtar - ignoring completelly the jewish tradition of Passover, etc. The "do your own research" is basically repeating their evangelical sources and stoping there.
...you realize pretty much every church except the Latin church calls it Pascha (ie Passover)? Even if it did fall on Ishtar- it's spiritual warfare!@@brentbeatty4171
Religion, Man, Culture and traditions are all false. God is not the author of confusion or division that's why he said only through my son. Not the church culture or traditions. but on Christ and him alone. We are his church, his bride. Your church is at home in your closet. I'll let the scripters say it.
1 Corinthians 14:33
King James Version
33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
Galatians 5
King James Version
5 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.
3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.
4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
5 For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.
6 For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.
7 Ye did run well; who did hinder you that ye should not obey the truth?
8 This persuasion cometh not of him that calleth you.
9 A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump.
10 I have confidence in you through the Lord, that ye will be none otherwise minded: but he that troubleth you shall bear his judgment, whosoever he be.
11 And I, brethren, if I yet preach circumcision, why do I yet suffer persecution? then is the offence of the cross ceased.
12 I would they were even cut off which trouble you.
13 For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another.
14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
15 But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.
16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
26 Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another.
One church, not religion.
Matthew 6:5-8
King James Version
5 And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.
7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.
8 Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him.
Amen
Origins of men's religion.
The church
th-cam.com/video/iV9f1vdUN6U/w-d-xo.html
Pagan in the church
th-cam.com/video/sGlMzIyK8ZI/w-d-xo.html
Pray yah watch the videos. Learn the truth.
God bless in Jesus name.