If you can live without the adjustable shocks, Bilstein 4600s are $100/ea and deliver a decent ride. Disconnecting the adjustable dampers won't trip any dash warning lights. Love your channel!
@@chumpthetraitor7331 not really, AMD said the shocks don't really do all that much, so you aren't majorly downgrading the ride quality of the vehicle.
Another tip for removing shock or struts "easier", clean the threads with a wire brush as best possible and spray some penetrating fluid and let it sit for a sec. At work, we used to replace rear shocks all the time and 90% of the time, we would break the shock off at the nut due to corrosion and they would crack off. We would need to buy nuts also and sometimes they were a pain to get. Now i spend 1 min cleaning the threads and a quick shot of lube and i never snap the shocks anymore. For DIYers, it definitely worth the time.
Yeah I don't understand why the people in the rust belt don't spray the fasteners the first thing and let them sit while they are doing other stuff or setting up.... I do it and I live in the Southeast, very little if any rust on anything.
AMD: Love the GX content as a new owner myself (2020) -- I made my choice for the premium (non air ride) based on knowing how expensive these are! Non air rear shock is 80$ from Lexus. Please keep the GX content coming!
I replaced struts on my 2001 Avalon about two years ago with KYB struts. Initially I was hesitant whether to do that or go with Toyota struts. It was an old car so I just went with KYB. It worked beautifully and couldn’t have been happier given the cost savings and the ride felt just like it used too.
This lecture about KYB struts is very useful. A shop did the front struts on my 2004 4Runner 1.5 yrs ago and the mount on the passenger side strut is loose and rattles every time I go over bumps. Took it to five shops with this issue, all said it's nice and tight and fine. Now I understand it's likely that these shocks are not to the specs of the vehicle - it cannot be that loose.
In my shop experience, some of the issues are with the KYB strut mounts. When I see the country of origin like India or Thailand , I’ll use the factory mounts. It’s the quality of materials used in that country. The average customer doesn’t know or even care. I take this extra step because I don’t care to perform a repair within the 12 month/12,000 warranty our shop extends to our customers.
@@johnmedina5399 I firmly believe that there's a decent contingent of employees at Bilstein who own / drive / outfit Tundras/4-runners/etc. They've got some good stuff that fits very well and benefits Toyotas today.
I had the same setup for the most part on my GX470. It turned into a pain with the cost of replacement and adjusting to level. The shocks were great, to this day, I had a smoother ride going over a really rough pot hole road than any other vehicle I drove to date. Back in the day, they did not have many replacement non-adjustable options like now. The brackets on the rear end were different so I could not just replace them with springs and such. TIME TO ASK FOR A RAISE JOSE!!!
I absolutely love this channel. My Japanese cars have been Honda and Subaru and lately I’ve been slowly transitioning to outmost reliable Toyota brand. So very glad this channel exists. Many blessings and Happy and prosperous 2024!!
I replaced the entire front and rear suspension on my GX with a kit from Dobinson, which included pre-assembled front struts & springs, rear twin tube shocks, and rear airbag replacement springs, locating pucks & isolators. Way better body control than the wallowy air bags, way less front dive under braking, and the shocks & springs give an excellent ride. Total win, and it was something I did in my own garage, all for about $2K including new swaybar links and bushings. It even leveled out the truck with a mild 1" lift in the front and I chose the zero lift rear springs, but they offer higher lift options as well.
For adjustable magnetic shock, it's actually pretty cheap. I think it's close to four figure per corner on every car that has some sort of magnetic shock.
Don't mess with a mechanic, they are all deceptively strong. They work out for a living. I really feel it the day after doing my own brakes lol. I was around 17 and was bending pipes on my socket wrench trying to get a spark plug out. I took it to the local mechanic, first car, first time meeting the dude. Told him the problem, he looked at me like I was a little girl and popped it out with a hand and a stump. The dude's arm was cut off below the elbow and he got it out with the wrench in his pocket.
I currently have a GX470 that I lifted, so I lost the dampening ability. However I kept the airbags and added a couple of washers to the sensor to trick the truck into thinking its lower so it raises it up a bit. I've thought about upgrading to a GX460, and there is one currently for sale near me that is the base model, so no fancy shocks, no airbag suspension. If you want to get one to eventually lift, I think that is the way to go.
I'm still on the original shocks on my 2004 GX470. Replacing them will likely be the thing that forces me to sell it (they should be replaced in pairs). A full set would be $2500 before labor.
Well I will be first in line to purchase your GX LOL, there are tons of after market options that do not cost near that much. You have lots of options. My local Lexus dealer is charging 1,023 for a pair of rear shocks for a GX 470, so the older GX's are cheaper. I am going to have and look at my shocks and see if they have been replaced, I bought mine used from a Lexus dealer.
@@SupraSav It has been well maintained, but currently looking at replacing the panhard rod in the back and perhaps the other rear trailing arms because the rubber bushings are worn. If the rear shocks are bad too, then I'll see if I can get a 2023 for a good price.
I put a set of kyb excel g's on my lexus es330 and it road like a truck. Took them off and a week later I put on factory toyota kyb shocks the the ride was nice a smooth again. Lesson Learned cost me some money but lucky I did the work myself..
I just ripped out the air bags and adjustable suspension on my gx470. I installed old man emu coils and shocks. Lifted the vehicle 3 inches for the price off 2 of those shocks. It rides and handles way better now. The air ride in the gx line up is a gimmic
The shocks extend by themselves because they're gas shocks. The gas charge helps the fluid from cavitating when they get hot. The old ones lost their charge. They weren't entending anymore when Jose had them off.
I have a LC150 Prado which is basically the same truck but without the luxury and luckily normal struts without the electronic settings. Keep it simple😊 thanks man for all the hard work informing us, you're a gem!
Just replaced one in a 2015 Sequoia Platinum...$600. It was leaking 2 or 3 quarter sized spots of oil over night. It was a pretty simple job. Parting with $600 was tough.
$792 is the retail price, many Lexus dealers offer discounted parts and these can be bought for $572 before shipping. It isn't cheap but if you have to do this every 130k miles, it is hardly a crazy expense.
A 1991 Nissan Terrano R3M SUV (JDM import) had shocks that were electrically controlled ( valving) and were $800 each then... in 1999. The two choices were "Sport" and "Comfort" controlled by a switch down on the centre console Over time the "Comfort" mode just led to wallowing... and then "Sport" mode wore out and also led to wallowing. I replaced them with normal non electrically controlled $150 4x4 shocks... and have done so ever since....
The OEM shocks on my 2007 Chevy Trailblazer is KYB. Still going strong after 170K, and being taken off road, pounded on sand dunes, and towing my boat.
Thanks for all your videos!! I have a 2010 Toyota Corolla, at 150k I had a transmission failure and had to get a rebuilt transmission. Then at 180k, the starter was failing along with the alternator. Because of your videos, you made it easy for me to understand. Thanks again
I agree with AMD for using original Toyota / Lexus OEM parts, no question about that, but if budget is an issue, this is the alternative I made. I also owned a 2013 Lexus GX460 and had to replace all the shocks, front and back. I used original Lexus/Toyota OEM front shocks (Part No. 4851060260) , KYB rear electronic shocks (Part No. 741072) , Toyota rear cushions (Part No. 4850560120, 110) and front support (Part no, 4860960090). The end result by using these new KYB Electronic Shocks gave the GX460 a new car feel. Ride was not harsh and is still within Lexus compliant standard IMHO.
The difference between the Lexus(kyb) part and the aftermarket kyb part isn’t quality, it’s valving. The aftermarket shock is designed to handle the vehicle dynamics of a vehicle with higher mileage and likely other worn components. Kyb makes fantastic products and wouldn’t hesitate to put some on my GX when the time comes.
4runner limited xreas shocks are also expensive. Comes as a kit. $3500 at dealer. When mine started leaking I deleted the whole system and replaced with aftermarket shocks. No noticeable differences. Aftermarket cost $450.
What kind of shocks did you purchase? I'm interested in knowing which aftermarket shock gives the most possible OEM ride. Or did you go with the original standard OEM Toyota?
I replaced a single failing air strut on my now gone LS 460 (thanks to a woman who couldn't read signs) on a car with then 117K miles with some rebuilt non-air and I was really happy with the result. No, it wasn't the same, but the ride on original sport air suspension was too brittle on my awful roads once you got past 90% road quality (truly bad in central Houston). I guess the point is that you shouldn't expect the same performance, but it might not be terrible. I was happier driving the car after replacing all the air struts for the same price as replacing one air strut at the dealer. The engine and trans were still great at 150K miles. Now that I am getting an ES, it won't matter for a while. But I have used and do trust KYB parts overall.
Which ones did you replace with? If my ltd shocks ever fail I’d be interested in exploring my options. I have seen a lot of people with the standard shocks for sale. Pretty much hey bought the car and lifted it so the suspension is brand new and sell for cheap
I went with KYB oem. They have a set of four at shocksurplus. Other options I had was to go with bilstein 4600 or 5100. For ride quality. Since 4runner limited xreas system is not air suspension (it’s a hydraulic fluid system with two central reservoirs). Honestly I cannot tell the difference.
The nivomat shocks on my Yukon were 3-400 each. Nothing like the air strut on my LS430 though! Had to order from Japan to get them less than $1500. Japan delivered them for 700 each for the rear.
I have a 2019 with 52K. It does not have the adjustable shocks. I was having the tires rotated recently at a large franchise tire and battery (hint hint) shop and the manager showed me some fluid on the side of the left rear shock shaft. He gave me an estimate to replace both with a brand that I’d never heard of. $800 for two with labor. I thought that was high. I’ll probably get the OEM KYBs and do it myself. Thanks for the excellent tutorial and explanation along the way.
I had those same Michelin, Cross Climate 2 tires on my 2016 For Fusion. I liked them, but I sold the car. I just bought a 2010 Highlander Hybrid Limited, and I got the Pirelli, Scorpion, Weather Active tires, Traction A, Temperature A, and Treadwear 700. The Michelins are Three Peak snow-rated the Pirellis are just regular snow rated. The Pirelli tires are better tires and cost less. I LOVE Them!
Great instructional video. Great camera angles José. Imo I would get your front brakes done first as they do 70% of the braking (Akebono brake pads) and wouldn't want to crash it after replacing those shocks. Happy New Year and best of health for 2024. 22:3722:37
@thecarcarenut last month I bought the Grand Highlander XLE and I just notice the right side bottom corner of the liftgate is not flush when its close. Is there a way to fix myself or have to bring it to dealership to adjust the door to make it look flush?
I actually work for a contracted company that makes struts and shocks for KYB. You are wrong about buying struts and shocks made by the manufacturer that makes the OEM. All shocks made specifically for a make and model ARE made to specifications. We make both OEM variants and aftermarket. It’s the same lol. The price difference is the OE markup. That $800 shock is $800 because of Toyota is on the product AND economies of scale since they aren’t sold in mass quantities like their grey market variants.The KYB branded version is exactly the same. The only difference is the label, with KYB. Car brands test out parts from various manufacturers until they find what works best for them, then they order that part to be mass produced for their vehicle. The manufacturer then takes that same product and make grey market variants of that same part without the car brand labeling. You’re conflating cheaper aftermarket brands with aftermarket brands that make OE equipment. Struts and Shocks aren’t rocket science. They’re extremely simple. Where people go wrong with aftermarket is just being too cheap.
I think that you are generalizing too much. To even begin to make the claims you made, you would need to know the details of the particular contract and exact specs for that specific part, when that generation/version of the car when it was first made, before aftermarket parts even existed for it. Saying that Toyota always just looks around at what parts are available, and picks one to install in a new car design, is way, way, way wrong. It shows significant or maybe even complete ignorance of the actual design and manufacturing process for a new car model, especially for any vehicle with any cutting-edge technology. On the other hand, you are completely correct that shocks without any exotic technology, are a simple, cheap, completely proven technology. This whole electronically-adjustable shock idea is an exercise in using unnecessary technology for a very modest change in capability, at a very high cost. When replacing a shock that is broken or worn out, 99% of the improvement comes from installing a shock which fits and matches the force, damping, strength, and geometry specs. Only the last 1% comes from it having the advanced technology. I'm a mechanical engineer, and while I might appreciate the precision and elegance of the electronic control, I would personally install the most durable non-electronic one that matches all the other specs, and pocket the $1000+ of savings per pair. But that is all theoretical, because I never would have bought such a complex solution to such a simple problem. Matching a spring and damper for optimal damping of oscillations, is a very simple mechanical engineering problem, and leads to a response curve that, while not perfect, is perfectly adequate. Adding active elements to force a response that's even better than traditional spring/damper optimization, just isn't something I'd like to pay serious money for, especially when it's not a one-time expense. Having said that, if an aftermarket shock is less durable, then comparing this shock to 2 or 3 of those, starts to affect the decision. On the other hand, even in that case, if you install $1600 of shocks vs $300 of shocks and the car gets totaled or stolen before the aftermarket shocks would have had a problem, that $1300 is GONE with almost no benefit. "My car had all genuine Toyota parts when it was stolen and totaled, plus I loved the active suspension that was 2% better than any other car I've owned" just isn't something I get much value out of for the money.
I had 2007 Avalon years ago and at around 40k miles or 64k km, the struts started going bad. The replacement struts where Monroe spectrum. The original struts were manufactured by ZF Sachs. The Monroe’s were stiff compared to the OE. I sold the car in 2018 with just over 100k miles or 160k km and according to the new owner of the car these Monroe struts still handle well.
KYB 7410001 rear shock felt almost identical to how the stock rears on my GX 460 with air suspension felt before the left side went bad. That top nut was was a pain. Also had to hit the top part of the bushing with a chisel in an upward direction to get it to unstick and for the old rusted shock to drop down.
You can’t even buy these shocks aftermarket from KYB in the US market. You have to order them from over seas markets that Toyota/Lexus has a different agreement with the manufacturer in… because they’re the same shock.
The Lexus Soarer 1990-97 LS400 Coupe came with a pnuematic airsystem and the struts were A$1000 or US$750 each . Which is very cheap considering they need changing every 23 years or 750,000km.. Ive been in contact with 3 of these vehicles. The shocks go about 2o years time. Another advantage is you gan get a factory wheel adjustment controler for about $200 which can vary wheel height by 75mm.
Actually, the front of the GX460 uses coil-over shocks which are technically different from struts. In the case of the GX460, it has upper and lower control arms, so the coil-overs only provide the spring and dampening functions. By comparison, most front wheel drive cars use MacPherson struts, and only have a lower control arm - the strut functions as the upper pivot and eliminates the upper control arm.
This situation of $800 shocks seems to be exclusively about air suspension models. The last minute of the video says the shock situation applies to air suspension models. Most models are the standard suspension so I surmise this situation is irrelevant to standard suspension owners. Why is this not shared in the opening statements of the video. It would reduce induced high blood pressure.
I have an '06 GX470 with the same adjustable suspension and just checked...$1000 EACH at a dealer. The wires connect to an electric motor that adjusts the valving.
I wasnt wanting to spend that kind of money on my 05 gx470 as its only a winter vehicle now i bought some on Amazon for $249 set and opened box up and they were KYB with exact same numbers casted into it side by side i couldnt tell a difference on bushings, welds everything was exact, so i some how lucked out and got a decent set so far last 8 months no issues everything works fine
Rear shocks on my car have clocked about 270k km. Quite rusty already, so the time is near. In the rust belt, heat seems more or less one of the first choices than last resort. Induction heater is quite magical.
Another good tip ! Keep your shocks & suspension clean ,wash off all the crud ,road grime,dust ,asphalt, salt & mud several times a year & they will last forever or at least a decade or more ,i got my 24 year old Boge Turbogas factory struts & shocks & they still good as new ,& still got my KYB adjust a gas on my 91 that i installed in 94 & those are still good as new & better than the newer versions made today ,dirt & salt 🧂 is the enemy of shocks & struts ,then wear
Another Midlife crisis popping up in the GX460 is # 1.the Valley plate leak. #2 Water Pump. #3 Timing cover leak. #4 transfer case leak. #5 Transmission Solenoid/ rebuild . Great video as usual . Happy & healthy new year to you , Jose and all your family .
I took my 2011 Rav4 V-6 to the dealership for an estimate on replacing the shocks and struts. They wanted $3200 for the job! I couldn’t believe it. I have never stepped foot in Grapevine Toyota since.
What would all four shocks and struts replacement cost approximately on a 2017 Toyota Corolla plus labor cost? The car has 80,000 miles and I can't believe that it would need this repair considering it driven under normal driving conditions. Love this channel.
I thought I was INSANE paying $1440 for Fortune Auto 500 shocks on my 88' Supra. They are honestly just as good as stock even while lowered. It's incredible what you get when you pay for the good stuff. Conversely the Tein's on my 01' Celica (Fortune doesn't make any) were $1,200, way more expensive than other models and are not nearly as good. You need to turn stiff up to 20 to make them non-bouncy. Coilovers are not everyone's cup of tea, but you can do them right.
I have a Sequoia Platinum with those damper adjustable shocks. Replaced them, and one went out 13 months in. Only 12 month warranty. 5100 Bilstiens went in next
To confirm Mr. CCN's prices, two years ago I mail ordered two stock Lexus rear shocks for our 2010 RX from Bell Lexus for $105. $35 per shock, $15 shipping per shock, $5 tax.
KYB is a Japanese owned company so they have high standards. While original OEM is always better for most cars, KYB is the only aftermarket brand I would use since Japanese companies put quality over profit.
I've had the luxury version for now almost 14 years. Not sure what wire is exactly it is doing but it's definitely not for driving modes. This came on later gx luxury versions. The air bladder in rear is what is making ride firmer or soft and raising/lowering I believe. Correct me if I'm wrong cant be the shocks itself raising and lowering.
AMD, Yes, I am shocked by the $800 shocks. It pains your heart to say it but it really pains Jose's heart to pay it. 😉Jose is going to have to do some overtime to pay for them. 😁
Dobinsons and bilstein are two very well regarded manufacturers for performance and durability that make amazing replacements for a fraction of the cost as OEM and, in my opinion, ride better than factory Toyota.
What sucks is for my 99 4runner they d/c the struts manufacturing but i did put 200+k miles on them, now i run bilstein 4600 and they run smooth at least in my opinion and on forest service roads ive noticed they are very comfortable
If you can live without the adjustable shocks, Bilstein 4600s are $100/ea and deliver a decent ride. Disconnecting the adjustable dampers won't trip any dash warning lights. Love your channel!
I was wondering if there was a standard drop in.
Your comment is gold.
It's like buying a Ferrari and put Honda inline 4 engine in it.
@@chumpthetraitor7331 not really, AMD said the shocks don't really do all that much, so you aren't majorly downgrading the ride quality of the vehicle.
Not a bad idea@@chumpthetraitor7331
You are the mechanic that everyone dreams of to work on their car.
Seriously I would love a bday presents that gifts me a through car checkup!
i do my own maintenance.
Another tip for removing shock or struts "easier", clean the threads with a wire brush as best possible and spray some penetrating fluid and let it sit for a sec.
At work, we used to replace rear shocks all the time and 90% of the time, we would break the shock off at the nut due to corrosion and they would crack off. We would need to buy nuts also and sometimes they were a pain to get.
Now i spend 1 min cleaning the threads and a quick shot of lube and i never snap the shocks anymore. For DIYers, it definitely worth the time.
New shocks come with top nut.
Or cover the threads with some kind of rubber/plastic boot..
Yeah I don't understand why the people in the rust belt don't spray the fasteners the first thing and let them sit while they are doing other stuff or setting up.... I do it and I live in the Southeast, very little if any rust on anything.
@@Dytopjewa7631 water/moisture will get in there regardless
Also spray the nuts a few days before, they come off real easy.
My mans actually shows hands on mechanical work alongside his reviews…legend
I know, unlike a certain Car Wizard ahem cough cough
AMD: Love the GX content as a new owner myself (2020) -- I made my choice for the premium (non air ride) based on knowing how expensive these are! Non air rear shock is 80$ from Lexus. Please keep the GX content coming!
I replaced struts on my 2001 Avalon about two years ago with KYB struts. Initially I was hesitant whether to do that or go with Toyota struts. It was an old car so I just went with KYB. It worked beautifully and couldn’t have been happier given the cost savings and the ride felt just like it used too.
When you went from really old shocks struts to new ones you'd feel that way. Doesn't matter.
I will be using KYB for my 2000 Avalon XLS very soon.
This lecture about KYB struts is very useful. A shop did the front struts on my 2004 4Runner 1.5 yrs ago and the mount on the passenger side strut is loose and rattles every time I go over bumps. Took it to five shops with this issue, all said it's nice and tight and fine. Now I understand it's likely that these shocks are not to the specs of the vehicle - it cannot be that loose.
Blistein makes great shocks. The new trd Toyotas usually use blisteins. Also get new top hats.
In my shop experience, some of the issues are with the KYB strut mounts. When I see the country of origin like India or Thailand , I’ll use the factory mounts. It’s the quality of materials used in that country. The average customer doesn’t know or even care. I take this extra step because I don’t care to perform a repair within the 12 month/12,000 warranty our shop extends to our customers.
@@johnmedina5399 I firmly believe that there's a decent contingent of employees at Bilstein who own / drive / outfit Tundras/4-runners/etc. They've got some good stuff that fits very well and benefits Toyotas today.
Kyb mounts suck.They don't last long. Stick with factory mounts.
Five shops !?!?!? Well , lucky you !!!!!
I had the same setup for the most part on my GX470. It turned into a pain with the cost of replacement and adjusting to level. The shocks were great, to this day, I had a smoother ride going over a really rough pot hole road than any other vehicle I drove to date. Back in the day, they did not have many replacement non-adjustable options like now. The brackets on the rear end were different so I could not just replace them with springs and such. TIME TO ASK FOR A RAISE JOSE!!!
Christmas bonus time! 😂😅😂
This guy is so awesome! Just stumbled across his channel while researching 2017-2018 GX460. Thank you for your channel and advise
I absolutely love this channel. My Japanese cars have been Honda and Subaru and lately I’ve been slowly transitioning to outmost reliable Toyota brand. So very glad this channel exists. Many blessings and Happy and prosperous 2024!!
Good. Now you can give up vaping too.
@@chumpthetraitor7331 I never did vaping lol I’m not that kind of Subie owner.
You have to love watching the old battered parts coming out and fresh genuine parts going in. There is something wonderful about that.
I replaced the entire front and rear suspension on my GX with a kit from Dobinson, which included pre-assembled front struts & springs, rear twin tube shocks, and rear airbag replacement springs, locating pucks & isolators. Way better body control than the wallowy air bags, way less front dive under braking, and the shocks & springs give an excellent ride. Total win, and it was something I did in my own garage, all for about $2K including new swaybar links and bushings. It even leveled out the truck with a mild 1" lift in the front and I chose the zero lift rear springs, but they offer higher lift options as well.
Did you have any dash lights on?, I think of doing the same thing without a lift
Your passion and knowledge for these vehicles is an inspiration. Anyone ever has a question for Toyotas I’d direct them to this channel.
My 17 year old, 301,000 mile rear shocks on my ‘07 Yaris are STILL good!
I live in rusty land Michigan and drive bumpy dirt roads!
For adjustable magnetic shock, it's actually pretty cheap. I think it's close to four figure per corner on every car that has some sort of magnetic shock.
Merikan n European luxury are expensive.
These are not magnetic shocks. There is a mechanical valve in the shock body which adjusts the damping.
they're not magnetic shocks they're AVS shocks
Magnetorheological dampers are exclusive to Delphi. So many GM vehicles use them and some exotic Italian cars. Not used on any Lexus vehicles
yeah 800 dollar for some luxury car shocks.... Thats cheap.
Don't mess with a mechanic, they are all deceptively strong. They work out for a living. I really feel it the day after doing my own brakes lol. I was around 17 and was bending pipes on my socket wrench trying to get a spark plug out. I took it to the local mechanic, first car, first time meeting the dude. Told him the problem, he looked at me like I was a little girl and popped it out with a hand and a stump. The dude's arm was cut off below the elbow and he got it out with the wrench in his pocket.
My Tundra 2007 Limited has 206k miles, and I still have the original shocks and struts. I love toyota parts!
I also have a 2007 Tundra with its original shocks 260k miles
@@SeahawkAz Niiiicce!
I currently have a GX470 that I lifted, so I lost the dampening ability. However I kept the airbags and added a couple of washers to the sensor to trick the truck into thinking its lower so it raises it up a bit. I've thought about upgrading to a GX460, and there is one currently for sale near me that is the base model, so no fancy shocks, no airbag suspension. If you want to get one to eventually lift, I think that is the way to go.
I'm still on the original shocks on my 2004 GX470. Replacing them will likely be the thing that forces me to sell it (they should be replaced in pairs). A full set would be $2500 before labor.
Well I will be first in line to purchase your GX LOL, there are tons of after market options that do not cost near that much. You have lots of options. My local Lexus dealer is charging 1,023 for a pair of rear shocks for a GX 470, so the older GX's are cheaper. I am going to have and look at my shocks and see if they have been replaced, I bought mine used from a Lexus dealer.
Let me take that lemon off your hands!
That's not a good enough reason to get rid of a well maintained vehicle - unless it hasn't been maintained well and/or has other issues.
@@KidCorporate So kind of you helping for a brother out.🤣
@@SupraSav It has been well maintained, but currently looking at replacing the panhard rod in the back and perhaps the other rear trailing arms because the rubber bushings are worn. If the rear shocks are bad too, then I'll see if I can get a 2023 for a good price.
Dear Sir.
I learn so much from you each time I watch your show. Million Thanks !!
I put a set of kyb excel g's on my lexus es330 and it road like a truck. Took them off and a week later I put on factory toyota kyb shocks the the ride was nice a smooth again. Lesson Learned cost me some money but lucky I did the work myself..
I just ripped out the air bags and adjustable suspension on my gx470. I installed old man emu coils and shocks. Lifted the vehicle 3 inches for the price off 2 of those shocks. It rides and handles way better now. The air ride in the gx line up is a gimmic
The shocks extend by themselves because they're gas shocks. The gas charge helps the fluid from cavitating when they get hot. The old ones lost their charge. They weren't entending anymore when Jose had them off.
I have a LC150 Prado which is basically the same truck but without the luxury and luckily normal struts without the electronic settings. Keep it simple😊 thanks man for all the hard work informing us, you're a gem!
Which engine does your Prado have?
@@rightlanehog3151 1KD FTV 3.0L Diesel. Cheers
Just replaced one in a 2015 Sequoia Platinum...$600. It was leaking 2 or 3 quarter sized spots of oil over night. It was a pretty simple job. Parting with $600 was tough.
I now know why Grandpa Scotty hasn’t featured these shocks. He’s already maxed out on shocks in the industry.
Da dum tiss
$792 is the retail price, many Lexus dealers offer discounted parts and these can be bought for $572 before shipping. It isn't cheap but if you have to do this every 130k miles, it is hardly a crazy expense.
The Car Care Nut needs to take his next vacation in Japan and visit Toyota MegaWeb in Tokyo and make a YT video!
Megaweb closed
@@trdrav4 Ouch!
A 1991 Nissan Terrano R3M SUV (JDM import) had shocks that were electrically controlled ( valving) and were $800 each then...
in 1999.
The two choices were "Sport" and "Comfort" controlled by a switch down on the centre console
Over time the "Comfort" mode just led to wallowing...
and then "Sport" mode wore out and also led to wallowing.
I replaced them with normal non electrically controlled $150 4x4 shocks...
and have done so ever since....
The OEM shocks on my 2007 Chevy Trailblazer is KYB. Still going strong after 170K, and being taken off road, pounded on sand dunes, and towing my boat.
Got that nano metal particles which use an electrical signal to regulate the ride…aka magic.
These are not magnetic shocks
Just replaced the shocks on my 2000 Ford F-150 with Bilsteins. My 25 year old baby lives on!!! 🥳🎉🙌
Thanks for all your videos!! I have a 2010 Toyota Corolla, at 150k I had a transmission failure and had to get a rebuilt transmission. Then at 180k, the starter was failing along with the alternator. Because of your videos, you made it easy for me to understand. Thanks again
I wish you had taken a photo of Jose's face when you told him the cost of those shocks. He is an excellent camera man.
Could you replace those with 4Runner shocks if you didn't want the electronic damping control?
I agree with AMD for using original Toyota / Lexus OEM parts, no question about that, but if budget is an issue, this is the alternative I made. I also owned a 2013 Lexus GX460 and had to replace all the shocks, front and back. I used original Lexus/Toyota OEM front shocks (Part No. 4851060260) , KYB rear electronic shocks (Part No. 741072) , Toyota rear cushions (Part No. 4850560120, 110) and front support (Part no, 4860960090). The end result by using these new KYB Electronic Shocks gave the GX460 a new car feel. Ride was not harsh and is still within Lexus compliant standard IMHO.
The difference between the Lexus(kyb) part and the aftermarket kyb part isn’t quality, it’s valving. The aftermarket shock is designed to handle the vehicle dynamics of a vehicle with higher mileage and likely other worn components. Kyb makes fantastic products and wouldn’t hesitate to put some on my GX when the time comes.
Kyb is solid. Have it on my bmw
I have KYB struts on my Maxima and it rides great. getting struts or shocks from a dealer is a waste of money.
I replaced all for shocks this summer on my 58 Bel Air for under $100. Times has changed.
Fluid film? Wool wax? That frame looks pretty nice for Chicagoland.
4runner limited xreas shocks are also expensive. Comes as a kit. $3500 at dealer.
When mine started leaking I deleted the whole system and replaced with aftermarket shocks. No noticeable differences.
Aftermarket cost $450.
What kind of shocks did you purchase? I'm interested in knowing which aftermarket shock gives the most possible OEM ride. Or did you go with the original standard OEM Toyota?
I replaced a single failing air strut on my now gone LS 460 (thanks to a woman who couldn't read signs) on a car with then 117K miles with some rebuilt non-air and I was really happy with the result. No, it wasn't the same, but the ride on original sport air suspension was too brittle on my awful roads once you got past 90% road quality (truly bad in central Houston). I guess the point is that you shouldn't expect the same performance, but it might not be terrible. I was happier driving the car after replacing all the air struts for the same price as replacing one air strut at the dealer. The engine and trans were still great at 150K miles. Now that I am getting an ES, it won't matter for a while. But I have used and do trust KYB parts overall.
Which ones did you replace with? If my ltd shocks ever fail I’d be interested in exploring my options. I have seen a lot of people with the standard shocks for sale. Pretty much hey bought the car and lifted it so the suspension is brand new and sell for cheap
I went with KYB oem. They have a set of four at shocksurplus. Other options I had was to go with bilstein 4600 or 5100.
For ride quality. Since 4runner limited xreas system is not air suspension (it’s a hydraulic fluid system with two central reservoirs).
Honestly I cannot tell the difference.
Same situation here. Dealer quoted $4600 to replace on 2014 4runner ltd. Looking for best alternative option for smoothest possible highway ride.
The nivomat shocks on my Yukon were 3-400 each. Nothing like the air strut on my LS430 though! Had to order from Japan to get them less than $1500. Japan delivered them for 700 each for the rear.
20 year old Lexus RX330 AWD. Still has original rear struts. Only 44,500 on the clock.
I have a 2019 with 52K. It does not have the adjustable shocks. I was having the tires rotated recently at a large franchise tire and battery (hint hint) shop and the manager showed me some fluid on the side of the left rear shock shaft. He gave me an estimate to replace both with a brand that I’d never heard of. $800 for two with labor. I thought that was high. I’ll probably get the OEM KYBs and do it myself. Thanks for the excellent tutorial and explanation along the way.
A modern day Scotty Kilmer!! Wow, I really enjoy watching this channel and I don't even own a Toyota/Lexus. He deserves all of Scotty's subscribers!
Mr. Nut lacks the high-pitched squeaky voice that Scotty has....and that's good for us viewers.
And the BS tag lines in his titles. “I’m quitting and never coming back!”
No comparison. Scotty is a ding dong. This guy is a technician.
Scotty is the king of click bait and too many hand motions
Yes, an idiot
I see videos like this and I like my 2002 Four Runner more every day.
Old Man Emus for the win
Old Man Emus for riding like a garbage truck
Thanks for sharing Jose sorry about the bad news luckily you have a great master tech who will bring that baby back to life keep us posted 👍
I had those same Michelin, Cross Climate 2 tires on my 2016 For Fusion. I liked them, but I sold the car.
I just bought a 2010 Highlander Hybrid Limited, and I got the Pirelli, Scorpion, Weather Active tires, Traction A, Temperature A, and Treadwear 700. The Michelins are Three Peak snow-rated the Pirellis are just regular snow rated.
The Pirelli tires are better tires and cost less. I LOVE Them!
Great explanation on why Toyota shocks aren't quite the same as their aftermarket equivalents. Thank you !!!!
Merry Christmas TCCN FAMILY!!
Great instructional video. Great camera angles José. Imo I would get your front brakes done first as they do 70% of the braking (Akebono brake pads) and wouldn't want to crash it after replacing those shocks. Happy New Year and best of health for 2024. 22:37 22:37
Must see excellent video to watch for those of us that own 460 GX’s:)! Thank you…
I would like your analysis of the new 2024 Tacoma.
Lexus GX 460 Base model are different. The one without the air lift suspension.
That thing is really clean underneath for a nearly ten year old ride.
@thecarcarenut last month I bought the Grand Highlander XLE and I just notice the right side bottom corner of the liftgate is not flush when its close. Is there a way to fix myself or have to bring it to dealership to adjust the door to make it look flush?
I actually work for a contracted company that makes struts and shocks for KYB. You are wrong about buying struts and shocks made by the manufacturer that makes the OEM. All shocks made specifically for a make and model ARE made to specifications. We make both OEM variants and aftermarket. It’s the same lol. The price difference is the OE markup. That $800 shock is $800 because of Toyota is on the product AND economies of scale since they aren’t sold in mass quantities like their grey market variants.The KYB branded version is exactly the same. The only difference is the label, with KYB.
Car brands test out parts from various manufacturers until they find what works best for them, then they order that part to be mass produced for their vehicle. The manufacturer then takes that same product and make grey market variants of that same part without the car brand labeling.
You’re conflating cheaper aftermarket brands with aftermarket brands that make OE equipment.
Struts and Shocks aren’t rocket science. They’re extremely simple. Where people go wrong with aftermarket is just being too cheap.
I think that you are generalizing too much. To even begin to make the claims you made, you would need to know the details of the particular contract and exact specs for that specific part, when that generation/version of the car when it was first made, before aftermarket parts even existed for it.
Saying that Toyota always just looks around at what parts are available, and picks one to install in a new car design, is way, way, way wrong. It shows significant or maybe even complete ignorance of the actual design and manufacturing process for a new car model, especially for any vehicle with any cutting-edge technology.
On the other hand, you are completely correct that shocks without any exotic technology, are a simple, cheap, completely proven technology. This whole electronically-adjustable shock idea is an exercise in using unnecessary technology for a very modest change in capability, at a very high cost.
When replacing a shock that is broken or worn out, 99% of the improvement comes from installing a shock which fits and matches the force, damping, strength, and geometry specs. Only the last 1% comes from it having the advanced technology.
I'm a mechanical engineer, and while I might appreciate the precision and elegance of the electronic control, I would personally install the most durable non-electronic one that matches all the other specs, and pocket the $1000+ of savings per pair. But that is all theoretical, because I never would have bought such a complex solution to such a simple problem. Matching a spring and damper for optimal damping of oscillations, is a very simple mechanical engineering problem, and leads to a response curve that, while not perfect, is perfectly adequate. Adding active elements to force a response that's even better than traditional spring/damper optimization, just isn't something I'd like to pay serious money for, especially when it's not a one-time expense.
Having said that, if an aftermarket shock is less durable, then comparing this shock to 2 or 3 of those, starts to affect the decision. On the other hand, even in that case, if you install $1600 of shocks vs $300 of shocks and the car gets totaled or stolen before the aftermarket shocks would have had a problem, that $1300 is GONE with almost no benefit. "My car had all genuine Toyota parts when it was stolen and totaled, plus I loved the active suspension that was 2% better than any other car I've owned" just isn't something I get much value out of for the money.
Rolls Royce Air Shock assembly with strut 4500-5000 per corner
I had 2007 Avalon years ago and at around 40k miles or 64k km, the struts started going bad. The replacement struts where Monroe spectrum. The original struts were manufactured by ZF Sachs. The Monroe’s were stiff compared to the OE. I sold the car in 2018 with just over 100k miles or 160k km and according to the new owner of the car these Monroe struts still handle well.
This dude is the Steve Ross of automotive repair.
Peace.
KYB 7410001 rear shock felt almost identical to how the stock rears on my GX 460 with air suspension felt before the left side went bad. That top nut was was a pain. Also had to hit the top part of the bushing with a chisel in an upward direction to get it to unstick and for the old rusted shock to drop down.
You can’t even buy these shocks aftermarket from KYB in the US market. You have to order them from over seas markets that Toyota/Lexus has a different agreement with the manufacturer in… because they’re the same shock.
The Lexus Soarer 1990-97 LS400 Coupe came with a pnuematic airsystem and the struts were A$1000 or US$750 each . Which is very cheap considering they need changing every 23 years or 750,000km.. Ive been in contact with 3 of these vehicles. The shocks go about 2o years time. Another advantage is you gan get a factory wheel adjustment controler for about $200 which can vary wheel height by 75mm.
Actually, the front of the GX460 uses coil-over shocks which are technically different from struts. In the case of the GX460, it has upper and lower control arms, so the coil-overs only provide the spring and dampening functions. By comparison, most front wheel drive cars use MacPherson struts, and only have a lower control arm - the strut functions as the upper pivot and eliminates the upper control arm.
Land cruiser 2007 120 gx 'prado'.
I just replaced with a standard kyb shock, much better ride than the worn original adjustables.
That shocking price would definitely dampen my spirits. 😎 I ripped everything out at 55K on mine, all coilovers and reservoirs.
thx
Yes, indeed this is our Christmas time present. Thank you so much.....
This situation of $800 shocks seems to be exclusively about air suspension models. The last minute of the video says the shock situation applies to air suspension models. Most models are the standard suspension so I surmise this situation is irrelevant to standard suspension owners. Why is this not shared in the opening statements of the video. It would reduce induced high blood pressure.
Ya just on the Luxury trim for sure.
You rock man, keep cranking them out!
Just changed 4 of these shocks and the front springs on a 2008 GRJ120 Prado V6. 6200€ altogether! Insane!
I have an '06 GX470 with the same adjustable suspension and just checked...$1000 EACH at a dealer. The wires connect to an electric motor that adjusts the valving.
I wasnt wanting to spend that kind of money on my 05 gx470 as its only a winter vehicle now i bought some on Amazon for $249 set and opened box up and they were KYB with exact same numbers casted into it side by side i couldnt tell a difference on bushings, welds everything was exact, so i some how lucked out and got a decent set so far last 8 months no issues everything works fine
Rear shocks on my car have clocked about 270k km. Quite rusty already, so the time is near.
In the rust belt, heat seems more or less one of the first choices than last resort. Induction heater is quite magical.
Another good tip ! Keep your shocks & suspension clean ,wash off all the crud ,road grime,dust ,asphalt, salt & mud several times a year & they will last forever or at least a decade or more ,i got my 24 year old Boge Turbogas factory struts & shocks & they still good as new ,& still got my KYB adjust a gas on my 91 that i installed in 94 & those are still good as new & better than the newer versions made today ,dirt & salt 🧂 is the enemy of shocks & struts ,then wear
Another Midlife crisis popping up in the GX460 is # 1.the Valley plate leak. #2 Water Pump. #3 Timing cover leak. #4 transfer case leak. #5 Transmission Solenoid/ rebuild .
Great video as usual . Happy & healthy new year to you , Jose and all your family .
Wait until he gets the bill for timing cover reseal😢
I took my 2011 Rav4 V-6 to the dealership for an estimate on replacing the shocks and struts. They wanted $3200 for the job! I couldn’t believe it. I have never stepped foot in Grapevine Toyota since.
What would all four shocks and struts replacement cost approximately on a 2017 Toyota Corolla plus labor cost? The car has 80,000 miles and I can't believe that it would need this repair considering it driven under normal driving conditions. Love this channel.
I wouldn't expect a Corolla to need all 4 at 80k...
Get a 2nd opinion. Might be getting ripped off.
That low of mileage I would not think you need to replace the shocks or struts. 🙂 My son has a 2010 camry with original shocks& struts.
I never replaced my 2005 Toyota matrix suspensions components and had the vehicle for 10 years until I sold it to someone else
I like the thread-counting trick!
Anti seize will help protect the treads and usually when top of first thread shows it's tight enough and it will keep corrosion out
Yep. MB is the same way. You have to get the shocks per your Vin number. You can get Bilsteins which are oem supplier but not the same as original
I thought I was INSANE paying $1440 for Fortune Auto 500 shocks on my 88' Supra.
They are honestly just as good as stock even while lowered. It's incredible what you get when you pay for the good stuff.
Conversely the Tein's on my 01' Celica (Fortune doesn't make any) were $1,200, way more expensive than other models and are not nearly as good. You need to turn stiff up to 20 to make them non-bouncy. Coilovers are not everyone's cup of tea, but you can do them right.
From my family to yours wishing you all Happy Healthy & Prosperous New Year.
I have the AHC/adjustable shock set up on my LX470, and I love them
Yikes … glad our 460 has the standard suspension
These shocks last forever though, unless youre doing some highspeed rock crawling
I have a Sequoia Platinum with those damper adjustable shocks. Replaced them, and one went out 13 months in. Only 12 month warranty. 5100 Bilstiens went in next
To confirm Mr. CCN's prices, two years ago I mail ordered two stock Lexus rear shocks for our 2010 RX from Bell Lexus for $105. $35 per shock, $15 shipping per shock, $5 tax.
KYB is a Japanese owned company so they have high standards. While original OEM is always better for most cars, KYB is the only aftermarket brand I would use since Japanese companies put quality over profit.
The OEM shocks on the GX are manufactured by KYB
*these are AVS socks and I struggle to understand how they could fail sub 150k-200k miles*
Rust never sleeps
I replaced the two in my GX460 2015 6 months ago, $880 for both, OEM, I probably was lucky! I'm in Saudi Arabia BTW
How many miles? Thanks
I hope to see a video on the water pump replacement!
I've had the luxury version for now almost 14 years. Not sure what wire is exactly it is doing but it's definitely not for driving modes. This came on later gx luxury versions. The air bladder in rear is what is making ride firmer or soft and raising/lowering I believe. Correct me if I'm wrong cant be the shocks itself raising and lowering.
It adjusts the stiffness of the rebound dampening by changing the viscosity of the oil ; by using fine ferrite and an electrical input.
These are not magnetorheological shocks. There is a mechanical valve in the body that changes damping characteristics
We appreciate your videos. I learn something new in each video.
The sign is very nice.
Is it Krown or similar rust protected?
AMD, Yes, I am shocked by the $800 shocks. It pains your heart to say it but it really pains Jose's heart to pay it. 😉Jose is going to have to do some overtime to pay for them. 😁
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Dobinsons and bilstein are two very well regarded manufacturers for performance and durability that make amazing replacements for a fraction of the cost as OEM and, in my opinion, ride better than factory Toyota.
What sucks is for my 99 4runner they d/c the struts manufacturing but i did put 200+k miles on them, now i run bilstein 4600 and they run smooth at least in my opinion and on forest service roads ive noticed they are very comfortable
Thank you for your videos. Great details and very good explanation of the work you do. Thank you from Canada
Just replaced my LC 80’s electronic shocks and the price sucked so much… but that’s the joy of keeping it Toyota OEM…
I have questions about 2021 rav4 2nd line Model shocks because I want to try Ironman shock, Is it okay to change it? I
Iron man shocks will provide a harsh ride, go with KYB
What really amazes me is not one swear word,no flying tools😂😂